How Fremantle can get Chad Warner, and Oscar Allen returns to West Coast

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is a very good operator but you know let's bear in mind even with the Leo contract position there you know having spoken to some people there's some posturing by managers to to make sure that their client you know there there is some some behind the scenes you know phone calls made to you know it's it's all like buying a house pushing up the price so I'm not saying it's not happening but by the same token bear in mind there there are parties with vested interest into to making sure that the highest dollar for either Chad um is gained or well there's certainly enough interest in the marketplace to not think well Chad's going to stay at Sydney don't worry about asking asking the question look uh Chad Warner would be absolutely marbles to not look at these sorts of things and plus it's to come home like he's not getting paid to leave his home state he's getting paid to come home where his friends and family are and he was taking it now I stand correct pick 37 or 38 I mean so you talk about access to to players and look there's so many examples in history of clubs not getting this this Superstar at a at a good pick or or finding a Dean Kemp you know Brett Hy late in the late in the draft going back decades ago but yeah he's a he's a player but that that sort of money is something I don't think I've heard of from Midfield in the history of the game so to go and get that done fro is going to have to shift around their first round picks for this year J yeah Jay Clark believes that potentially with those three instead of going and trading them away for someone this year like we talked about Shay Bolton a couple of weeks ago they may use those to go and get future picks future first rounders the following year to then use on Chad Warner so instead of having to spend all your bickies on these ones they may use the first rounders now they'll move back in the draft this year year but the following they'll be even more stacked than they are this year so give me an example of what what you think it would take draft pickwise to to get Chad Warner how are we talking two first rounders at minimum two first rounders yeah minimum you're probably you're probably looking at two first rounders plus yeah I would say and a and a or a player if you're going to go and pay in the most of any player in the NFL that would say you know his value is the the most in the AFL you're going to have to pay up right yeah absolutely so I think two first rounders could even be three I think we saw close to that for Tim C didn't we to West Coast going back in time yes like two first rounders plus a future so something like that would do the Chad Warner deal whether he wants to whether uh Sydney Want To That Remains the question but to have someone added to BR Shaw song Young I'll leave FY out of it because in two or 3 years he'll be gone yep BR Shaw song Young Warner that Midfield is off its head that is unbelievable yeah and it BS the question if you're talking of salary cap wise the Eagles are in a pretty good position to to venture down that path as well but they don't have that collateral do they they don't have the draft picks no but they they' have the money that's a really good point and I think that's something that's sort of not being focused on too much West Coast are building they've got a war chest and they're going to get a bigger War chest as Gaff goes as darling goes as mcgaven goes like I'm talking over the next two three years got to pay people and and Oscar Allen and Lam Dugen and these sorts of guys are going to Chad Warner is exactly the type of player the eagles need I mean not that the Dockers don't but when you think of it I for instance for me if I've got the choice I'll probably you might laugh me if I got the choice for Warner and a Tim English at the moment I'm going with I'm going with Chad oh absolutely but Rockman di doesn't don't worry I'm not there's nothing on Tim English no no no really good play but and I've been having spoken to bles you know who've been in the sist Mark Stone who's assistant coach we've seen it in the last 15 years particularly just the get a role playing get a role playing Rock exactly Matt Flynn's an example of that we've seen Tom hii we've seen there's so many Bry Grundy's one out of the box going from one club to another that's that's worked spectacularly well so far but you're right I think sometimes just to have that that solid go-to guy that that you know does the job week in week out and feeds the likes of Warner I reckon L Baker goes to West Coast then if this is if this is true um got to be said it's just Jay Clark chatting with our good man man Ralphie over at Fox footy but if it's true that then you wouldn't you would say that Frio don't go and get leam Baker as well no right no exactly so he could be firming for the West Coast Eagles if we just turn our um our hand what no I'm just like because you know what'll happen in two weeks we look back and uh Chad Warner's extended his contract for three years in Sydney so these things can happen look it's great for it's great discussion and whether Jay-Z's right wrong or whether you and I R Jay they JayZ yeah like that it's a that's part of the Triple M stick I love oh no I like it good onor um but yeah I mean whether whether it comes to fruition I reckon if you look in the history of time and stories written and what's actually eventuated it can be hit and miss but I'm sure the managers are involved in these stories coming out and uh yeah as I say there's some by play along the way west coast let's flip our uh thoughts to up the river um or across the river Oscar Allen is back the captain seems to as long as he gets through training the next couple of days we'll be playing uh we'll be in this West Coast forward line and it poses the question after such a long time back should he have come through the waffle I say no you say I say I agree with you I think a player of his stature and what and the work they do with him and you know this better than I but at training and match himim I I just don't see there's any value the only reason you come back through the waffle at his caliber would be if he's on like 60 Minutes like half game time and that's and that's what they're doing in brief with Brennon Cox for the reasons coming back from surgery so I sort of understand that that process with him y but well you you've probably seen at the club more certainly more than I have and Oscar Allen I I think that that's the The Chosen path that I think most clubs with a PL of his y would take He he'll he'll be a stay at home forward he will be uh in the goal Square wrestling he is put on size guaranteed he's bigger than when he left uh the last time you saw him West Coast fan so he is going to be your powerful it just for me raises the question Oscar Allen Returns what's that forward line look like for West Coast hypothetically they could roll out the tallest jumpiest marest forward line in the history of the game that history's ever seen listen to this this is what it could be not saying it will be right could be Oscar Allen Jake Waterman Jack darling bayy Williams as the backup Rock Matt fle in the in the Rock uh Jack Hutchinson and Ryan marrick like that they could you know now we're leaving out Jamie kson and fly Ryan but very possibly that could be you can't roll that which doesn't sound like it's going to work against EST so who who comes out because this is this is uh I've been through this a little bit this week I think all all signs are pointing to one player who comes out so Oscar Allen plays Oscar Allen plays Jake wman plays they're just a lock right you need you need to back up rman because neither of those guys so Bary Williams plays yeah or or or Jack Williams if you wanted to give him a go but I think baile proba it's the backup Rock Spot yes so that that would go in Bailey's favor so you're telling me there's a darling question to be asked a Meritt question or Hutchinson now given given Hutchinson I think is not something been guaranteed a continuity of games but I think it'd be harsh to to have one match and then just discard him I think that would be difficult personally if you they see him a little bit smaller as well yeah I'd certainly prefer to see Hutchinson given the chance to hit a Merrick just on the basis of he just got to the club one game then to to drop I think he needs to get a month or two or three weeks to at least give him a chance to to show his stuff so so I just get this gut feeling we haven't spoken about this is Darling any in any danger of being dropped well unfortunately and Premiership team out of mind he's got to be in the gun like he has to be and that's not because of his necessarily because of his form because I think it's improved as the years gone on but team balance you can't roll that out that forward line that I that I said you Hutchinson and just say you had marrick as well I'm playing I'm playing darling hit Merrick I I think they're very different players yeah but I I don't I don't think you can I don't think you can have the four TOS I think four TOS is Too Tall I put this way you might be right as not saying you're suggesting he should be I'd be surprised if he I think they'd like to see how darling Waterman and Oscar Allen look together Bailey Williams has going to be there too yeah well what going do yeah well that's that is the issue I now whether whether this this is just and I might be 100% wrong is there prospect that Oscar does some working the forward line he doesn't go near it well potentially but you know it's not it's not what they want him to do first game back in fact could he be the could he end up being subbed out of the game after potentially if they're up by enough or down by enough more than likely down by enough I think this is going to be a roll over by ESS and but that's just what I think but it's certainly going to be a watch on team selection which will be out uh this evening will scoffield Mark reading sh footy [Music] cast sker I'm going to start a little Freo v Gold Coast later in the week with you if that's right Freo Gold Coast Opus Stadium remember if you want two tickets to this game just follow us on socials back chatore or shelter footy cast and you can uh like comment in the uh section below and you can go into the running to win two tickets to this game interesting matchup ska 3o very poor against the Bulldogs Gold Coast off The Bu no yes no yes off the they played for my reent ker last start at Marvel in and I didn't watch game but thankfully I didn't because it was apparently one of the worst in the history of the game yep perfect I watched it and I can confirm that that is the case look if we're talk about selection at West Coast there's certainly some issues here that given how poorly they lost I don't think you can roll out the same team like I don't think you can we we heard it in the media we back our system in and we backed our system in and you saw what happened I I think you you've this this is a moment where you've got to go right we've got to make some changes here I agree one one change will be forc of them obviously with Michael Walters out for a month um I was looking at possible Replacements I love Cooper Simpson but the problem with him in the last fortnite in the waffle for instance he's two points for Peele last week and a point the week before you know had a dozen disposals roughly each week that's probably not the form line you'd like for a player to get elevated it's really like I've been in that situation before right it's really interesting that um I saw that I saw it hasn't been in the form and and and that's why it's such a um it's so brutal as a waffle player or someone who's playing in second because you never know when your Chance is going to come and it's and you know at the footy Club they preach about being consistent and being you know ready when your time comes this is that so if he had have gone three goals four goals he's bashing the door down then they get a game like this in the ones he he's just a walk in like SE L if your form's good in the waffle so I think will Brody is is probably that guy at the moment his form's been consistently good Foo hasn't and and they look looks to the waffle and go who's in form and so will Brody is yeah no that was the point I was about to make so if Cooper Simpson was promoted and will Brody and oril rasma Wasson given what they've done particularly Brody in recent times I think even last weekend 33 And1 or something he's just racking up the numbers but how then does that impact and who do they Shuffle because having spoken to a couple of people about when Brody came to the club and a lot of the midfielders at freem at the time had to change their roles to accommodate will because he was a certain type of player that in terms of stoppages it was you know he was had to be at the at the calace and that other players had to work their game around him but with with maybe a change of assistant coaches at the club their style at stoppages has changed a little without trying to sound like an old I'm talking about but this this is this is where BR I think probably hasn't fit fit into the Midfield setup man it's pretty easy defensively it's pretty easy drop that five will Brody comes in why happen uh why not I just don't think well put it this way you heard the coach we fit him in that's how you no exactly but it won't happen because you've heard you've heard the coach you've heard the captain this week saying almost implicitly that they're going to back in that five y well that's that's a good thing but if we're wondering how you get will Brody into that Midfield that's how that happens so if they're not going to drop m in that five will bro no change you get beaten by 60 odd points who do you drop no they're not dropping song or brw young no and you can't just magically put will bro on a half forwards the forwards had a I mean a lot of players had Shockers which you maybe give them a you know the Mull the only thing that I've seen in the past Michael B used to do a little bit you go and play a fifth mid and and that means you've changed your structure right that means you're not backing your Midfield in you put will Brody as a fifth mid and you play five forwards ahead of the game to try and get some Midfield dominance right and and that that would be something they're looking at Midfield has been the one of their strengths this year well not defensively that's why if you're looking it defensively look I think another solution is Andy BR Shaw hasn't had the year that don't think he would have um been hoping for um we know what sort of player he one of the best in the AFL he hasn't played like the best player in the AFL I don't think that's too harsh in saying that I think he should be the guy that's going head-to-head with the best midfielder in the opposition I think he should be the windhager the say is is he the stopper I don't want to say tagger but he should be M he should be tagging so is it for instance this week is it a Matt ra to Miller top no Anderson or toke Miller leave Matt ra you know he's a stoppage base he can go head-to-head with song or F or Brody or whoever's in there put BR Shaw on Anderson or to Miller and just say beat him tagging isn't doesn't have to be Ryan Crowley tagging you know it doesn't have to be have five touches and Y Oppo has five it can be a win if you can K Nar Anderson to 20 touches and and and Annie brw is at EV every spill and because of how good he is you can say get a job done and tag and and win the game for the team yeah and it could get him into spots he needs to be in yeah look agree with that the other solution which obviously is off the table now but he talked about the five issue if he still had some confidence in his kicking I mean he'd be the player okay now we'll put you more more forward of the ball and give you but unfortunately we know overhead he's still well no that's that's a good point yeah I mean could they still Venture down that path my my fifth mid thing I hadn't thought of it that way but perhaps you put excuse me you put five forward of the footy he comes in and runs through the Midfield but you play a Brody or arasmus as an as an on baller yeah I mean when you say forward of the board you mean inside as a forward no as a as a forward mate like team teams now they got six forwards right you've probably got three High forwards and three deep forwards and of those deep forwards maybe only one is deep deep it's almost like a pyramid deepest and you got the sort of two Powers right in front of him and then you got the three half forwards that are sort of pressure guys anyway so he'd be among you know that group The the problem is with that no tackles last week so defensively as a forward that's probably not going to work as a as a player with ball in Hand of course he's a threat but with ball in hand inside 50 tell me I'm wrong but I don't feel like Nat looks like he wants to take a shot at goal anymore no but there's guys that play in forward lines that aren't aren't necessarily there to you know go and have five shots on goal and that that's why I suggested because you to play a good defender on him put it that way that's that's why I said maybe push him back to a forward role of some description anyway we'll probably be wrong in all front absolutely no doubt about that Heath Chapman uh hopefully will return after hamstring awareness right which means surely it's a hamstring injury well you know they oh yeah jeez right okay I didn't know it was hamstring L out i' be very worried about him giving his soft tissue history I agree so maybe he won't be back uh Ben king um apparently he's a 50-50 to play Ben King he's got many injuries dealing with I mean that would be a big win for fro if he doesn't have to play although they've got enough to cover him they have the big win for fro is that they're playing on their home deck and the Gold Coast Suns apart from Darwin um have been pretty average when they jump on a plane who's going to win uh sounds strange team gets beaten by 60 y you you know you think the free man I can't H the goal C absolutely not so Freo fre too but they're going to have to change some things I I think I think this is set up for fro to really rebound well do Coast can't win away from home and Foo need to win so I I don't think it's going to be a margin I I I can't see Foo um I think they wipe him I think they roll yeah I think they roll him I think I think they they would have copped a massive spray this week and they'll be on notice all of them s and they'll roll what what would be fascinating just that Midfield battle because the if you know the Millers and rs and Anderson that they've got some genuine quality there that's head to-head isn't it uh should be a good watch at least if you want to go you want two tickets follow us on Instagram shelter footy cast or back chat double snv West Coast Marvel Essendon v West Coast Stadium on Sunday uh gee I like I I've got I've got concerns this could be a white wash I I got concerns ESS could roll him and that would be two that would be West Coast losing to North having a week off rolling out against ESS and Marvel Stadium there's not a lot of good indicators for West Coast no and and I think what eston's shown this year is that they're very proficient very good very good against teams that are lower on the ladder and I think that'll be again the case obviously no Dom sh this week with that that hamstring injury Kelly's missing so um you know Tim Kelly's absence should be should be noted because even though you get dougen who had the concussion against North set to play this week I think be so there's there's a little question mark there Oscar Allen returns as well uh yeah there's but no raid no Cali they've still got issues in their Midfield 100% no there there's there's a massive concern whether you know Zach Meritt and what he could do on the weekend yeah I'm a bit worried about what they'll do to the Eagles I don't think they beaten esen either in Melbourne or certainly at Marvel since about 2013 so it's been a while this will be the early game on Sunday so at least we got some footy to watch on Sunday skater at 11:00 a.m. this will be kicking off on the way to the you and I both probably go to the docker Suns game but yeah that's that's a big double header on the weekend uh yeah ESS and what we've seen is that they're they're probably a fairway short of the better teams Calton got hold of them for most that game again on on the eve of King's birthday yes the better sides they haven't looked up to I mean Collingwood they they drew with but I just feel they're a length and a half away from the better sides but significantly better than teams like the eagles so they're sitting in fourth only one game inside but uh the eight but two points away from second so it's this weekend um there's some real like there could be some real swings and roundabouts here depending on results who wins like Foo being one of those essin being one of those jalong being one of those if they win they can go to second if they lose they can go to 12th or something but those teams you mentioned crazily I mean you mentioned J long I know we've laughed about but that to me there's no way they look like a at number two seed at the moment so ESS where did ESS sit well because of what they haven't done against yeah exactly the the ladder doesn't lie but by the same token you you just feel that let's be honest apart from Sydney Collingwood Carlton there's no teams that you think are are really set up well to to challenge at this stage this is a really I think this is a really dangerous game for West Coast um you mean in terms of the the the if West roll out and they don't and they're not competitive like there there should be significant hate on again and like we saw last year we talking the coach oh the club the club like you know what since their first year player has gone out of the side they've been you know non-competitive in the Midfield and and Tim C's not there as well but we saw what aliot yo could do in one quarter foot against North Melbourne that they'll need him to start like that against ESS they were terrible against that's I went away for a week I was surprised there wasn't more I know they all the club was away on a buy or a break that was that was horrendous first three quarters there I thought it was as bad as I've seen the Eagles certainly at home all year no maybe not away from home cuz they have been tailed up by big margins but yeah I just I really struggle with why North Melbourne were able to push them and then beat them I mean they did it to con yeah no true but I'm going back a week before I'm looking more at the Eagles performance in north and credit to North where it's due but I thought the Eagles if they put in that type of performance for three quarters that SC I think he might be right will end up in a a pretty significant deficit ESS and win this easily me too Colton V jalong will be our Friday night match up at the MCG we like that I think it'll be a real test to see where jong's at um your best team in the competition versus a team you know you I think maybe AR there so why do you keep referring back something said 6 weeks ago you say something 2 weeks ago I forget that but you happy like my wife to keep memory Carlton v Geelong like an elephant you guys seriously what is this crap oh where are they now seriously Jong almost out of the eight they're there're six you you gave them the crown and you said if they win this game they could go to Second yeah that's right say then shut up ah let's see who's going to be maybe available uh what's that Danger's back I think Danger's back wow he's been out for a long time with that hammy that was a hammy wasn't it y well that'll change them a little bit but they've lost five of their last six matches the catch and and and the blues are moving like Colton um six and four in their last 10 they've won their last three uh we're seeing some pretty good movement Mitch mcgaven should be available after the buy um from that glute injury Harry McKai same thing so they'll be close to pretty much full strength Carlton against yeah this jalong side which I I just don't think had the expectations coming into this year they overperformed a start the year eight and zero or something right they yeah I mean you're probably right and and the draw probably flattered them to some degree y uh that being said I think Chris Scot I think you said it Chris Scott's done a pretty good job to to keep them in if they play finals this year I think it's a massive tick absolutely um so on that basis I still think and I think you might have even brought this up a couple of weeks ago having um Walsh yeah come back in to that side for Carlton and Crips is good we know that hu's outstanding and Cher I'm not sure if Cher's even back in the mix um but Walsh gives him Sam Walsh gives just that real quality I think he he's the difference between them being a finals contended to possibly pushing they've got a bunch of bulls with like hu Crips Cher can be pretty bullish in there and without Walsh it's just a bunch of bulls running silk yeah I I agree with that and I think on jong's side if they probably we just don't have the depth of quality like if you could shut down Tom Stewart and it's been proven yeah and Max Max Holmes is probably standing up as the guy through their midfield if you can shut those guys down they don't get the supply to their forward line and there's not too many levers you need to pull to shut a few things down for Jalan that's why Dangerfield back's important do you see Jong B challenge at all I don't see this as a lay down ma a because uh I know we're going back to early they met they met earlier this year I think in round four or five or whatever it was they be them convincingly the cats times have changed a fair bit I think with but I think it's a reasonable indicator that they can be more than competitive is Tomahawk got another year in him do you think probably this is his last I reckon I reckon the the big uh I don't want to call him a dinosaur but like the big bull forwards like that that's a dying breed that you need to be able to up and down the ground so much more so I think this is his last yeah what whenever he finishes this year next year even if he retired tomorrow Greatest Cat of all time to it Greatest Cat of all time uh most games played yeah yeah what most goals kicked or um commentary got not commentary sorry uh GBL no no no uh yeah GBL Wade would be Doug Wade was who I was talking about yeah Doug Wade would be there uh look it's a discussion I mean s would have been that discussion so would obviously Tomah Hawk and and G abet senior yeah I look hadn't thought about it I'm sure there's probably um a few others that have played for Jong over the journey that have been absolute Superstars but he'd be he'd be absolutely in that top five yeah I'd be comfortable saying that without having a look at the list been all Australian a Port v Brisbane lot of times um look I'm picking Carlton uh can't pick it CH long unfortunately sker game though Friday night we'll get some shelers out and uh where we go yeah I like that p v brisban Adelaide oal interesting game this one two sides that I can't quite Place either of their form P Adela would disappointing against gws Brisbane seem to be kind of moving again don't they they they they look like they can play that aggressive attacking footy we saw him against the Saints and the Bulldogs the week before that for me if this is at the gabber Brisbane win this by six goals but it's at adate oval so it's Brisbane away from home Zack Butters got off his striking charge did you say that yeah how how is this out man how does he get off that I'm I'm happy he's off to be honest but I don't know how he gets off that I just have issues with players being suspended for uh tackles I know there's the potential to cause injury which I I think are legitimate football actions getting suspended for yet when you when you I know but when you go to if you stri if you come off his shoulder that's why I'm happy he got off because that stuff happens all the time and you could see him apologize as soon as it happened and Tom Graham was like yeah all good so I'm just saying I can't believe he got off like I can't believe he got off given what the tribunals doing this I mean was it it was hard cuz they grany replays but was the Jesse Hogan one similar wasn't he he struck by he got off yeah he got off yeah so I don't know maybe just slap him in the face and move on this is the toughest game of the weekend I think for me just because I was so disappointed with Paul I thought they were putrid against the Giants I lost by 22 it sounds har they were horrendous the Midfield got toed up and that's the question we're going to ask Brisbane this weekend do they follow the lead of what we saw from Toby Bedford from the Giants yes who was given a role all the will scoffield you know you get get a player and assign them a job which Bedford did really well yes will bris have that will Scofield well you see me running around on Ros if I don't say I don't know you'll pump your ties up so I better get in first but you know will Chris Fagen who has said he wants to play with a really attacking brand of footy if they had to get back into this season so um you know well yeah well so they did it against bondon P two weeks ago so um Jared Barry did it uh Jared Barry yeah uh I think he does it again Butters is the guy though Ros has been injured he's not in enough form back here I think buts is the guy that you got to go to he's the one that can turn a game for Port Adelaide Shadow Brin a chance to come back into the 22 best name man in the AFL Shadow brain is he Irish uh no he's from Barn Bay Shadow brain is that y siblings ofis whisper jock who else there some other on are we talking AFL how many games you played play a few this year hasn't he been tracking him along nicely I've been r on his case yeah oh clearly shadow brain okay uh Eric hits play a good fo0 I know that they won six they P seven against Port average of 35 points bris win this bris win thisis are back bris are back I cannot pick port on the poop that they dished up last week so I'm tipping the Sydney v GWS lines brisman well and truly back uh just a reminder travel in sports Australia for your chance to get on the plane with the West Coast Eagles return flights uh tickets to the MCG round 78 against Melbourne you got to hang around to the end of this show for the code word that Mark readings is cooking up nicely actually a really nice Segway that word cuz that's going to be a little bit of the connection for my password you'll need an encyclopedia no doubt jws V Sydney the battle of the bridge you know I don't look at the fixtures before I read these the Battle of bridges on this way yeah NG Stadium wow we yeah you're too well you're certainly a Giants man you're a swans man as well yeah absolutely I was at that game where they beat West Coast with 200 and I was wearing a Sydney scar say you're such a the red and the so let's work just in quick in brief in brief you've free manle we know you've been on their bandwagon for a fair while former West Coast Eagle let me finish former West Coast Eagle Hawthorne is now your adopted uh either first or second side the Giants are in your stable the swans are there can you just give me some clubs you're not on I don't like Collingwood I Reon the feeling feelings Mutual North Melbourne not a big fan ofth West Coast can go sometimes such a front runner H look the big news coming out of this one before the game Sam Sam Taylor yes Sam tesle Sam Taylor has ruptured a testicle and and I should not be laughing that is terrible news it's interesting because I actually saw him in the rooms after the game and also is this we're doing the core and there was just a still shot of families he was he was laughing with friends and family so maybe it was sore um after the game but either way it goes without saying it's a horrible injury which he's required surgery I think for and indefinitely out of the game yeah big news a big important player's massive for them and they're starting to get a little you know I keep feeling they're at the bottom end of the a but that they still chance to finish top four they're fifth that's what I'm saying so I felt like they've been so outside of what we saw last year that two points out of fourth exactly so I maybe maybe the form line is not as bad as what I've been thinking Sam is massive just on a long-term deal yeah that's going to hurt them defensively against the swans particularly with with the amarti party set to go wher again if he get surely he can't kick a bag again oh jeez you wouldn't think so Jack Buckley will be going straight to him and we know what the Jack Buckley medalists will do to him I think um Jolar be lucky to kick two goals in this one Steven Canelo they'll be hoping he they get him back he's coming off a shoulder but he'll be a fitness test this week Isaac C came back through the vfl last week so he's a chance and there's a couple of Sydney players that are on the precipice of returning but it's going to be difficult to break into this Sydney side look we we know that Sydney uh gws like to prod the bear a little bit in social media terms but if we just look at this as a pure you know game of football this is um I think there's a lot more on the line for gws than Sydney agree it's at home at gws um they win this they they really set their season up Sydney lose this they're still eight points clear at top of the table I I just don't think the fights there needs to be there for Sydney that doesn't mean they won't want to win I'm going to pick the Giants in this one as a bit of an outsider SK if we're doing our roughy of the week skill this would be my sco's roughy of the week right fair fair enough I tend to disagree with the fact that because they're playing a team there is a lot of angst against this is not just a one you sort of roll up and I think there's this is like a derby for them and we know that it's quite personal bit bit going back to when the Eagles and Dockers it was a far more a bit more in it I I think this is the case again and on form look the Giants since round 11 a couple of stats for you the Giants have won the contested possession count by 13 per game or almost 14 per game that's ranked number one which I think is significant as part of their their DNA conversely we talked about this last week when we were commentating the game uh the swans have outscored their opponents by 19 points per game in time on periods of quarters ranked number one which will come as no surprise after what we saw against adite I pick jws gate I can't go against the former Sydney but I I don't discount don't discount the Giants given for the reasons you had because I I let's be honest they've looked they've started so slowly against the cats did the same Melbourne v North Melbourne against the crows at some stage if you keep doing that you're going to hit a banana pill so this could be like that against jws you be in trouble y uh so you pick Sydney yes Battle of Melbourne Melbourne V North Melbourne mcj 530 Saturday I don't look both these sides are this is a strange game North Melbourne um they're in form North Melbourne let's be honest they've been West Coast and almost knocked off Collingwood last week and Melbourne are absolutely in shitzville mate they are nowhere absolutely nowhere we we saying stories that you know Christian Paka and his fames Ando with the club and the club saying it's all good and people are calling for doctors to be changed out and new new regulations I just want to have my final say on Christian Peta situation yeah just so we're all clear and you ask any AFL player that's played in the last five years or is still playing the game 90% would have the same thoughts as me this is on Christian patroa and no one else the doctor is there of course to save you from yourself but you understand as an AFL player what you're going into you are a competitive Beast you are there to win and when you're the best player in the in the side in Christian beta and you're injured you're going to try and get through whatever you're dealing with so they had the conversation when he comes off with the broken ribs they tested him out he tells him he's good to go they poke around yeah they're sore he got kned in the ribs he goes back out there he's not going well they get him off he goes to Hospital what what's there's nothing to say here like chrisan Paka put a tweet out saying it's completely on me and then he deleted it so that tells me someone was annoyed with it um but it shows me exactly his thoughts is on Christian Peta or no one else not on the doctor it's not on the club this is the environment the IFL players are in it's an elate environment you're not down at your GP on a Thursday morning doing a regular checkup sker getting his balls tickled down at the JP right getting you know getting his prosta exam we're not we're not we're not doing that sker this is in the middle of the MCG trying to win a game of footy I will say I agree with you 99% and but also will say it's incumbent on the player and the doctor in collaboration and and let me finish I think the doctor you're right has probably said to him done the the check and said I'm bit sore here I think it's is harsh to to say that the doctors without getting if if petrier would give him the mate it's really really sore under here doctor's never putting him out there yeah yeah so I don't don't disagree with you what I know we're going to Veer very quickly but one issue that's really caught your eye this year has been players staying down after they've been taken down in a tackle and you know fing exactly in brief now the NRL is looking at uh gri anle I think handles these issues is looking at if a player stays down for a period of time to milk a penalty which they do in in rugby league because they feel they've been trying okay and we stop the game they're going to be forced now those players or they're certainly looking at the NRL to force those players off for the 15minute test so exactly so and I think we're both on the same page with this that this is the way forward the IFL certainly no noise about it we might break that one exclusively as well but beautiful look forward to the for time no but in all seriousness that that's one that I think is I think it's Des if you don't get up straight away or certainly in a period of time you're either hurt either you need to go off yes exactly or you're faking yeah you should go off so the NRL just to break up the conversation about the Blockbuster between the demons and the kangaro not going to talk about that that is I think one issue that I think the AFL will need to look at at some stage just to continue on with North melbour melan I was watching the Euros last night um Albania V Croatia yes to all I don't know how it's to I went to bed at 21 I had an investment at um on you re I'm you reckon I'm a Desperado I'm just saying I don't know how they drew it but for the first 45 minutes of that game soccer's a disgrace that well M players were not even getting touched and there's blocks rolling around the ground so Albania scored early 10 minutes in the game and so for for the preceding 60 Minutes they just tried to every second like it was disgraceful any touch they' be on the ground rolling around stretches are out right they do it m Sun BL was off in the boundary realized he wasn't get up just up and he's piss Bolding back like it's disgraceful over there so we don't want to get to that stage you're right and they don't just do it in the 85th minute on Ward they do it with about 30 minutes to go Melbourne North melbour who's going to win oh gee I mean Melbourne has to win Melbourne has to win melbour has to win yeah I don't know if they will I just wonder that the the me the the let down or the mental after what North went through last week to Le by 54 whether it's going to boy them or or sink them uh Melbourne but gee it's a game that North could probably pinch I pick uh North M five bucks just little investment there uh I pick my one too all right Wills Scofield Mark readings Shadow footy cast okay sker thanks to our good friends at travel and sports Australia it's time for the code word uh you get to say this once and you can tell your little story about it but for your chance to get on the plane with the West Coast players over to Melbourne round 17 MCG the code word is well we've been talking about uh this word and you mentioned cooking this was in my mind a long time before uh we brought up the subject but we're going with the word pet tra why ah I don't know how to spell it these words p e t r a WCA it's not brain surgery this is not you know a science experiment it's a pretty simple name Peta p t r a CA okay there we go there's the code word backchat studios.com Au enter your name your email and the Cod word on the popup that will jump up there that is live right now so uh get yourself in there there'll be hot tickets for sure SK let's get into some of our listener and user questions there's a few to get through today which Listener Questions I bloody like brilliant uh get a SC and SK I'd just like to know are the West Coast Eagles in your mind an arrogant side getting beaten by teams they probably considered to be beneath them and coming close to teams that no one expects them to win against from fiery I don't know if this is off the back of me calling freem manal arrogant on Monday I was rolling arogant out a fair beid on both radio and wherever else I could put my mouth and um and and so I I would say that's off the back of that um are they arrogant I don't think they've got any reason to be I don't think they are I think they were just poor yeah yeah like and and should I don't think West Coast are very good no they're not that you know to break it we can talk everything in the world I don't think they're very good they're not that good no and they've had some good moments some good days but I don't I don't think they're arrogant I don't think they're arrogant no but I I called for hour arrogant from how they played against the Bulldogs in they play not as a club but the way they approach that game certainly not as a club certainly not as a club um gads more of a event than anything else we like these it's pretty much what this entire show is for me um more event than anything else but the umpiring decisions have been in the news almost every week this season combine this with the tribunal mro medical decision- making and complete lack of clarity in most aspects of the game fixtures draft equal Equalization Etc what will it take for an actual external view of the AFL to get up top top to bottom looking at the AFL and best practice from other codes a critical Deep dive at the way the sport works and is managed in the Modern Age cheers from Shady business I haven't really seen that rolled out maybe the shelter footy cast can undertake an extend or review I don't mind that yeah let's right the most basic element I think of an AFL season that you try and have as a as to have some equity in my mind is fixturing initially there's so many elements but fixturing I I think we're incumbent to play each other side in the competition once before you play another side twice just little basic things like that the Bulldogs Freo they there's a lot of games that six weeks in their yeah Travis old used to do the um fixturing and particularly during Co was a nightmare I can understand the complexities of of fixturing but I think fans I think you just want to see play each other once and then maybe double up with the the Derby's the showdowns yeah maybe I'm speaking from a point of ignorance but I understand the frustration from fans the umpiring I think is it's harsh because it's we watch replays we watch slim eyes we watch and they're getting some right they're getting some wrong particularly at lat stages of the game I'm not sure we need an overall review but yeah it's been maybe the media scrutiny SC is is so much higher than what it was even when you were playing I think we spoke about Laura Kane on Monday saying we like that she's onest but she came out just after we recorded the show and gave some explanations around the 50 m penalty some that look I don't think she was trying to be condescending but people took it as condescending in nature hey look this is this is what's happening this is exactly what happened like he can't I'm right you're a wrong kind of thing but you're damned if you if she doesn't come out the afl's not you know putting their head up if she doesn't then you've got to say it in a manner that she might not have of course that was absurd what she said though I'm sorry yeah I look so so you know basically the explanation was a whistle went uh Mark or or stand wasn't called and so the Collingwood players the right to kind of keep going over the mark when the whistle goes as a player that's a stop like the whistle going isn't a keep playing and listen to what the Umpire is saying there's not enough you don't have enough well let me just okay can't hear you can't hear the you can't hear the Umpire most of the time that's what the whistle for you know I've used de my get is a bit of a reference point and he he's pretty generous with his time Lot G absolutely so I asked him the two two decisions that one and he said look I can I said you know Robo has mentioned on Herald son it was the worst decision of the Year robo breakdown on Fox footy talking about this he absolutely lost his Mar well I said okay Dan what do you reckon he said it's not the worst decision of the year and he said I can see how the Umpire got into a pickle with Scott having taken possession he never stopped him anyway he said look the umpires that was that was not that's not a black and white one in his eyes the other one that he backed me out which I was quite happy about was um he thought the Taylor Adams uh hinge confrontation was a free kick to to Adams and he thought that was um that was justified yeah that's I just want to bring that out at the end of we end up getting in touch with Taylor Adams to say if he was embarrassed with his behavior like I wanted M I'm just telling you I'm just trying to give you an UNP perspective cuz they have probably a bit more knowledge you're trying to say that you were right I was wrong exct about perspective China the side you don't see uh on YouTube and I quote they're my Hawks what happened to I'm a gws man scoe it seems someone is a fence sitter uh sorry a fence jumper to any team that is going okay and scoey it is a bit Rich berading players for things you did yourself great to see the great man skats back to keep scy honest who's this from this is from China China the side you don't see 8157 oh 8157 stick it up your ass that's you know that's one of the best emails we've had this year because you flip and flop you don't have a team you go where the flow is you know if there's a if there's you know a candy store down the road you'll go you you'll go and follow the the sweet stuff instead of just sticking to your values yeah just a couple more questions will Scofield and the Oracle Mark readings who just you know the the the foreseer of all things Real and True in this world no no I I talk I've get about as many wrong as you do which is a hell of a lot Andrew K 5 296 piss off China guy um as a longtime Freo member 24th uh year I'm not too fussed the reality is freem manal is the second youngest list in the AFL is that true didn't know that is that true be close uh they've lost following a bu last three years in a row they aren't going to be a serious threat for another couple of years unless they get lucky and pinch a flag like did in 20 uh 2008 they will be up and down like a yo-yo for another couple of seasons has happened with every building successful team the last 20 years just look at jalong and their lapses under bomber Thompson yeah I I don't disagree with it I think the Dockers have got and just looking the short term with those three first rounders if they're going to try and make a raid on a Warner put it this way if they just for argument sake if they could drag a Warner into that Midfield mix with the forwards they have with the Defenders that they have developed and also emerging in the likes of um Draper and and Chapman the young guys coming through I I genuinely think they're they're a top four Contender for the next three or four years if if things pan out well you got some stupid small face you're actually going to like it sorry I'm just read ahead I'm just letting you talk I'm just hosting the show I I I don't disagree I think it's some really good points here gee there was a pile on after that win against a loss against the Bulldogs purely because of what they did against mour so I I think they will if they don't respond this week then they don't deserve to be playing finals oh man so last one this is what I was laughing at for once it's not at you this is very good this is from Bert Yater on on YouTube thanks for your um really want to say Bert thanks for tuning in we we we thank you for your time that you probably spent to watch the entire show and then write out this comment so um Bert thank you I will start with that there were two throws by Collingwood in the backline this is on the back of our episode on Monday there were two throws by Collingwood in the backline that was not paid 50 m penalty was not paid touch ball was not paid and of course the umpires changed the result of the game to say they did not is laughable fact is they the umpires have made so many mistakes this year and influenced the results yo holding the ball was not holding the ball oh boy I'm saying a bit hang on Laura Kane is funny she she keeps defending the umpires and everyone knows she is was not honest I don't know why are you protecting them I wonder and I'll finish with this skater conspiracy I'm not I'm not going to watch this channel again and I urge all West Aussies to do the same by the way whoever you are trying impress with your opinions I hope it leads for a job for you in the future who's that from from BT I'll get on your B no he's not going to hear this anyway so it doesn't matter what B's got to say B's turned off turn off I hope skate gets a job out of this though so do I you and I actually don't have a full-time job so if there's anyone out there would like to just employ a BL that can talk a bit and then I don't know have an afternoon sleep it' be nice like George Cen you know I want one of those job where you can hide under the desk have an afternoon snooze and then get up and and you know the best thing about the the Seinfield episodes you work out the reason Seinfield the George ganza he says the way you look busy is walk around the the office looking angry and upset is that why you come striding in here because looks shuffling papers it looks like you're busy and sometimes you're just doing that for effect anyway uh than for tun in b um sorry to lose you buddy uh all right we'll just go for Mark reing shelter footy cast uh we we are almost done here make sure you stick around our patrons our VIPs for SKS Investments of the week we' got some extra content coming up just for our patrons if you want to join us you can do that shelter 4c.com you can sign up as a VIP it'll be 10 bucks a month for you for sko uh you can do that and you can get sker best investments of the 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