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Intro what's up everybody Welcome to three and- Out YouTube page I'm John middleof and we are talking football all day every day make sure you subscribe like the video share with your friends let's roll baby what is going on everybody cutdowns they happen so today we're going to go over all 32 rosters and every 53 men just kidding we're not going to do that but I do just have some big pictures takes on the day and really it bleeds into tomorrow as guys get claimed off waivers um obviously it's a big moment for guys that make the team late round picks undrafted free agents and then for former Hide draft picks they get cut uh just just have some thoughts there and then I just wanted to hit a couple little things uh something I noticed with the Rams pretty eye opening Kelsey Brothers signed a big podcast deal love it when the podcasters uh get broken off and just a couple quick college football thoughts we'll have a big preview podcast out on Thursday uh we'll have a mailbag out a little later today as well so uh kind of the C before the storm uh the NFL mandates you get four days off so basically Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday all there's no practice or anything I guess beside the Chiefs and Ravens and Eagles and Packers because of their schedule but all the teams that play Sunday and Monday obviously get the weekend it's like a little bye so we'll be diving into a lot of football uh I'm sure there'll be more going on the next couple days we still got a couple you know the Niners got a couple holdouts that have not been resolved it's August 27th but who the hell knows when that I mean maybe bleeds into the season at this rate but before we dive into football I gotta tell you uh I I'm really torn uh on going to a college football game it's hard for me to go to games because my business is talking on Sunday and I got to be here I or I got to be able to watch every football game on Sunday even Saturday a little bit now as college football becomes way bigger but I I got to do it I I got to go to one of these games and I'm leaning Texas Oklahoma obviously there are quote unquote bigger you know cooler games too a night game at LSU Bama Georgia you know Ohio State Michigan's a little cold for me but I I I need the ability to travel in and out and I can get back here Sunday morning before kickoff so if you want to do that watch your NFL team go to a college football game maybe go to a different state and watch something uh hell you want to get to Vegas if you live on the west coast LSU USC Sunday Night Football cannot wait why I got you covered because game time the official ticketing app of this podcast just take the guess workk out of buying tickets come on guys download the game time app right now create an account and use the code John for $20 off your first purchase terms apply again create create an account redeem the code JN for $20 off download the game time out today last minute tickets lowest prices [Music] guaranteed today is obviously a massive Breaking down NFL cut day massive day uh four teams and the future of your roster heading in to week one clearly all the famous players in the league aren't really associated with today right I mean the biggest like oh James Bradberry made the Eagles but all the guys that we really talk about consistently starting in a week have nothing to do with today like Hoy Roseman doesn't need to get on the phone and call Lane Johnson and AJ brown right like Dak Prescot didn't get a phone call today so today's about the bottom of your roster and guys that are fighting for their jobs and I've talked about this before and I'm still amazed to see it today a lot of Industries and many of you work for companies especially if you work in big corporations where a lot of people can get by and never get noticed you know middle management uh you know especially in Corporate America some of these Fortune 500 companies if the stocks doing well and the economy is doing well you get these guys making two three $400,000 you're like what the hell is this guy doing that is not the way football works you get exposed and you get exposed fast and obviously when you make a decent amount of money you know that there's a magnifying glass on you if you start playing poorly it's why when you see big layoffs like at some of these companies what why does that usually happen it's usually in recessionary times it's usually when the stock is plummeting right things go bad when things go good no one pays attention in the NFL even when things go good if you play poorly you will get a circle drawn around you by the GM and the head coach heading into the off season just the way of the business and it's because so much cheap labor comes into the sport every single year right we'll talk about the Rams they kept five undrafted free agents that means Five Guys not even making a total of a million dollar now over the next couple days one of those guys could get cut but I think it's fair to say at minimum four of those guys probably are going to be on the 53 come week one and that's not the case you know in most of our businesses right you don't have plug andplay people that you can put at very very important spots that happens in football and it's why everyone's kind of on eggshells once training camp starts because you know the the coaches are on your ass and there are evaluating you on a daily that's not just on the practice field that's in the meeting that's how you act that's how you treat people like it's all factored in now clearly if you're good enough some of that other stuff like means a little less but but for anyone on the bubble like every step you take throughout the day people are watching and people are judging and I've said this forever the craziest part about the NFL if you're a first round pick you're on scholarship for a couple years partly because of your money and partly because of just they invested a lot of capital like if if I used a 16th pick on you that was really valuable because I could have used that 16th pick trade back acquire more picks that's worth a lot to my organization and his ially second day picks are really valuable too because you can get high-end Pro Bowl Hall of Fame level players for cheap contracts it's why teams whenever they talk I was watching the Eagles press conference and how he was like you know I know we swapped picks essentially like we gave a third they gave a fifth but it was still hard to give up a second day pick for a former first round pick but we did it at the end of the day and GMS I don't care what press conference you're you're listening to or watching they always talk about the second day picks because they view they can get starters making a million bucks and anytime you get multiple starters making a million dollars it's easier to build your team but I remember I'm going use this example a couple years ago I think it was 2022 uh I was at an OTA practice 49ers and me and guy haverman who's gonna be working for Big 10 Network he's calling the orgon game this week we were on the sideline bullshitting with John Lynch and this is the year after they had traded for Tre Lance so they didn't have first round picks so their third round picks were really really valuable to them and I remember we were talking to him how excited he was about Danny gray and Ty Davis price Danny gray was a wide receiver out of SMU and Ty Davis price was a running back out of LSU and they were excited rightfully so I remember texting a buddy that did the area in Texas he's like I like Danny gray a lot and he could run he could stretch the field he could break tackles Tai Davis price ran I think game against Florida he had like 400 yards big physical back it's like yeah might be able to get a guy that be your second or third running back and a guy that could eventually be your third wide receiver behind Brandon iuk and Debo Samuel then within less than like six months it was pretty clear that Tai Davis price had been lapped by their sixth round pick Elijah Mitchell who's now an injured reserve and kind of irrelevant and an undrafted free agent Jordan Mason who's now the 49ers backup and Danny gray immediately the seventh rounder who's kind of coming into his Zone Jawan Jennings kind of became a staple and what happened two years later Ty Davis price was cut ended up on the Eagles was cut again today and Danny gray you know a guy that was drafted ahead of him um I think pick 90 something was cut today and every single year if you don't establish yourself as like a starter you are in trouble if you are not a first round pick the talent that comes in on a yearly basis in every round and after the draft with undrafted free agents are coming for your jobs and there I I really don't believe there's any industry quite like this now it pays a lot and obviously if you become a good player it is extremely lucrative you can make money on and off the field there are a lot of benefits and we talk a lot about those guys the majority of the league though is not the cidi Lambs Jamar chases Lamar Jacksons and Patrick Mahomes the majority of the league are friend starters second stringers and these new guys getting drafted fighting for a job fighting for that statistic to be a three four five year NFL pro and it there's it football used to be a lot like the junction boys Double Days the physicality I mean it was almost like buds training people would just tap out and get exposed now there's less of that because of the rules the practice schedule but if you do not perform in practice and then you get shot spots in the game and do not perform you got no shot and if you are struggling there is going to be somebody who also does not make a lot of money who will take your spot so anyone listening to this right now and I can't go through every example because I don't know them all but all these 53 man rosters that were said today there are so many former second and third round picks by that team who then will go on to somewhere else the other thing is no team will ever have more invested in you when you are a top you know second or third round pick than the team that drafted you after you are released you are no longer look the same your career then is on a different trajectory you're in the boat of like everyone else now maybe it was a bad fit maybe there were injuries there are a lot of different variables and circumstances that can derail a guy and it does not we talked about this yesterday does not determine your future but you are then fighting an uphill battle Because deep down for that team when you're a former second or former third round pick then Within two or three years they cut you there's a stink in a red flag that comes along with your name in the other buildings something's up this guy can't cut it now I can rely on I I listen to Howe talk about trading for Dodson and he said we liked him a lot coming out of college and we had done a lot of work he was a local guy Penn State and we felt pretty good about it but but like why were they willing to trade him to us right that's that that can be weird and sometimes you can just chalk it up to new Administration new team not their guy you definitely feel more comfortable trading for a guy in that situation second round pick a third round pick whatever if it's not their guy but I was talking to I I texted a bunch of Scouts today I said I've watched a decent amount of rams the last couple years and you know one guy I liked a lot Ernest Jones and I I'm not breaking down the all 22 like I once did but he sure jumps off the TV a lot and I said why would they trade him and a couple people said well they they didn't plan on giving him a contract after this year he clearly thinks he's going to get paid and two they like their young guys a lot but that they had to attach a pick to send him to the Titans was pretty crazy multiple people thought like he would just get traded for a fourth round pick straight up but this was a guy who became a stalwart on their defense over the last couple years when they've been good played a bunch for their Super Bowl team obviously had 100 plus tackles last year on one of the better teams in the NFC it's like he's gone I it's just it happens that fast and it's happening all around the league you just can't cut it and you'd go well the one thing with dodson's like wasn't Adam Peters wasn't Dan Quinn wasn't Cliff Kingsbury's guy Ernest Jones was Les sne and sha mcvey's guy like they drafted him they started him they played with him and you just kind of never know and this it's hard perception becomes reality fast and this is not one of those you know Industries that's so big and you know you cross path like you don't really know that many people Everyone kind of knows everybody and people talk and sometimes there are facts behind it and sometimes it can kind of be manipulated and then it just kind of grows like a high school rumor you know and you don't you know you play the game a telephone and you talk to the fifth person who heard something and the story is kind of weird and some of these guys got to shake that and the hard part is once you kind of get in the practice squad cycle as like a fifth round pick that gets cut and go on the practice squad you don't have any stink on you it's like well I just wasn't good enough to make the team happens to a lot of people but when you're like a former second round pick that's been the league three years it's like what's up with that guy what's going on there fair or not and it it just turns a lot of people it just can it you can get your career upside down because it's like yeah couldn't cut it and it's one thing to get cut from a good team it's like well they won 12 games it's hard to make the Ravens right it's it's hard to make the Chiefs and that's a fact but when you're a former relatively High pick it's like why couldn't make the Panthers like the Giants got him offensive Lin it's hard man and perception becomes reality really fast so today uh awesome for all the young guys that beat out dudes because that's the thing it's the ultimate meritocracy unless you're a first-rounder then you're kind of on scholarship or even a second rounder but for any fourth fifth sixth seventh rounder undrafted free agent that made it that that's really really cool I mean the Rams kept five undrafted free agents on defense three DBS two linebackers that's pretty nuts you know this team's been pretty good on defense that's shouldn't be uh should be a difficult unit to to make and you just you just never know and that's the cool that's the hard part I think when you see whenever you follow a training camp the people that the fans want to talk about are the hypexs and then all of a sudden that guy's not playing and some undrafted free agent is it's why I never when I was going to training camps a lot like get super excited about like a third or fourth rounder cuz when the season comes that guy can be completely irrelevant and some undrafted free agent out of Georgia Tech or out of Washington state is like a special teamer who becomes a starter by the middle of the Season it happens all the time maybe he's just more mature maybe he understands the defense more maybe he just fell because there were some injury concerns or he ran a slow 40 or was injured a senior year I I mean there's just the quantity of guys every year that come into football is unlike these other sports because even in baseball a lot of guys get drafted I I forget how many rounds there is used to be like 40 I think they cut it down a little bit those guys go to the miners and they're just out of sight out of mind where in football it's like 90 guys show up at camp and the 87th guy by the second or third week can take out that sixth rounder quick and at the end of the day you got to be able to remove the emotion because and this is the hard part about today like no one is tighter with the players than the individual position coach and when the individual position coach he's going to have a huge agenda is probably the wrong way to put it but a bias uh a closeness uh emotional attachment that he can't separate and that is the job of the GM the front office and the head coach is to kind of remove that emotion because I want my position coaches fighting for their guys especially if he truly believes this guy's a good player this guy can help us this guy should make the team but if you listen to every position coach on every team you'd have 75 man rosters so you got to make tough decisions and you kind of got to drop the hammer and I something else Howie said today in his press conference like yeah we didn't agree on every player and then serani chimed in he's like yeah position coaches get very emotional as they should and that happens all around the NFL it's why I mean b the greatest of all time there is no emotion he did not give a it's why the good coaches really rely on their GM like you be the you know the the Swing Vote here because this position coach is pounding the table for this guy it's like listen we like him we easily can get him to the practice squad it's more important for us to not keep this whatever extra linebacker and keep this extra offensive lineman cuz this guy's way more likely to get claimed if we put him through waivers and those guys just don't understand that that's not their job to be a master in that part of the business who's going to get claimed how many claimable offensive linemen because that's the one thing if you have an offensive lineman they can play a little bit and has like any Fringe 53 man ability right now and you put him on the waivers I'd say there's like a 90% chance to get claimed everyone listening whoever your team is there is not a team in the league from the Super Bowl champs to the shittiest team that can't use offensive line help obviously pass rushers no one's giving up anymore but offensive lineman can be tricky it's like this guy's showing out in the preseason other teams are going to be interested especially it's like well this guy can play guard and Tackle this guy can play both guard spots and he played center in college this guy started games before at right tackle and left guard it's like damn that that brings a lot of value to the table in a league that's just desperate for offensive lineman so you got to be very careful about that and sometimes like your DB coach is screaming it's like guys we can find backup safeties I I can find a slot receiver I can find there's a million running backs out there I can't find a guard that if week two I need to be my starter like offensive linemen we keeping an extra one it's why I think you see teams like I think I saw the Packers kept 10 offensive lineman which is pretty crazy but don't blame him if you're gonna if you're going to over keep a position you do that we had the appetizer last week now it's time to Feast college football is 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million I remember when that show first started and they were going viral you know you you had to turn turn it on check out what they were doing and I mean it was pretty entertaining at first you're like I've never heard anything quite like this it was clear right away that like this other chick is pretty worthless and then she obviously ended up making Sophia with an f one of the worst business decisions in the history of uh of humanity I mean but I think the cream usually Rises and it was meant to happen that Alex would have kicked her to the side she's a solo act right and she became right there next to Joe Rogan as someone doing 10 plus million listens an episode that's insane the Kelsey brothers are this like incredible combo and let's face it they really took off two years ago when they started their podcast they ended up both in the Super Bowl I mean it was The Perfect Storm they do one podcast a week right one of the biggest the biggest Sports podcast Parton my take does three like two and a half hour podcasts a week so the Kelsey Brothers do one podcast a week and you know I've seen some that are well under two hours so could be wrong I haven't looked in a long time they're both very relatable humans Travis not as much now because he's dating the most famous probably female on the planet but Jason feels like an every man Travis had that Vibe for a long period of time with a little like coolness Factor they played in the Super Bowl they parlayed that into just a lot of people paying attention then Travis started dating Taylor Swift it's just a good life lesson whenever you get an opportunity to strike while the Iron's hot you got to do it because you never know there have been a lot of athletes that have tried podcasting and are trying it currently they are just never going to be big and these guys I think most people would have thought when they made it'll be kind of entertaining a hundred million contract now is it really worth that I talked to someone in the space that said I I don't know how any company could even break even given the quantity of content they're producing now maybe that changes Jason's now retired maybe he starts doing stuff for Amazon because that's technically the parent company that owns wondery but props to those guys because that's freaking awesome they are they've been a rocket ship operation there's there's no question about it and I was saw that one thing's going to be pretty clear heading into this weekend CFB betting will skyrocket this season with college football five million people watch Florida state Georgia Tech it was the most watched I heard mcafe he say this week Zero game in the history of week zero games now if I remember correctly there have been some bad week zero games but regardless I think college football this year is going to do massive numbers my Fresno State Bulldogs play Michigan on saturday night NBC I'm on a text chain with a bunch of guys that live in Fresno a couple guys played there and I I said I hope everyone realizes there will be more eyeballs on this game than any game Fresno State has ever played and it will not even be close and Fresno's played Wisconsin Tennessee Ohio State Nebraska played big team USC they they have played big games for decades and the amount of people they're going to turn that thing on and turn on these games this weekend the next couple weekends LSU USC on Sunday night it might not do an NFL number like 20 25 million people that typically Watch Sunday Night Football but I bet it breaks a record and listen people ask me all the time like do you play Fantasy and it's like I I never really got into fantasy I respect it and I know how big it is but I gamble that's kind of what I do and clearly now with the ability for more people to dabble in that space and I'm not I I get turned on off a little bit by all these media guys talking about gambling like have you really been gambling or are you just doing it now for the money like some of us it's in our blood I started sneaking into a casino when I was like 15 16 years old Cash Creek Northern California I love it I like the juice and so does anyone listening to this if you like to gamble you just kind of get that itch but a lot of people talk about it now and you can tell like this guy this guy wouldn't bet a Dollar on a game but a lot of people will it's why Michael Jordan resonates with us unlike LeBron cuz we can relate he's got gambling problems likes to booze like to smoke cigars it's like like a lot of people I know Michael's my goat always will be always has been that'll never change part just because I think his relatability and every time you hear a story it's about him gambling on the golf course drinking booze like to hang out with this guy but I think the gambling element the NFL's always had it the NFL was just bigger than college football it's just in bigger cities but now that it's kind of made its way to college football on just this National level that you get people in these urban areas that might not care that much about college football betting on the games and we better buckle up because it's going to be big and that's why I wanted to hit on three things really quick as we head USC is gonna stick this season into this college football season that I feel pretty strongly about first and foremost I root for West Coast teams I was a pack 12 Homer I want like when USC was awesome it was sweet it was fun I'm not anti- USC but I think they're going to stink this year I think they are a six7 win team they're going to be way worse a quarterback how could they not be losing Caleb Williams and I I just and I've said this for a while now I don't think it's a fit and sometimes I was thinking about this the other day like uh Lincoln at Oklahoma and Lincoln clearly knows what he's doing calling offense a lot like Ryan Day knows how to call offense they both inherited a Mercedes like Oklahoma was rolling Ohio state had won national championship with Urban Meyer they were recruiting the best of the best and listen they maintained it and they did a great job both of them their records L Ryan day's record at Ohio State and Lincoln Riley's record at Oklahoma speak for themselves winning conferences going to BCS games going to the final four like it's I'm I'm not arguing that they can't handle that but going to programs that are in disarray that's what Jim Harbaugh did when he got to Michigan and started winning 10 games and then won a national championship it's why everyone freaked out when he said the dude was born on third base all he's saying is the guy took over a program it wasn't that difficult to do what he did a lot of people have done it when Nick Sabin got to Alabama it was bad it was not easy like that was a tough tough turnaround if anyone can get Florida rolling again if it doesn't work out this year and they hire a new coach that's difficult what Lane kein is doing at all Miss that's impressive right what kaln dubor when he got to Washington and they were a disaster and then flipped them and had them in the National Championship two years ago it's like that's why he got the Alabama job that's not for everybody if you put Lincoln right now at if Lincoln Riley had taken over for Alabama like Alabama would be fine are they going to Rattle off seven national championships in 15 years probably not but they'll be they'll be good they'll be top 10 Team every year I just don't I don't see it and I do not think it's going to work and I'm not some USC hater because there are a lot of them that Ain me I'm really more of a Notre Dame Ohio State hater but I respect those Brands and those programs I think college football is better when they're all good but I always kind of celebrate when they lose but they don't especially Ohio State they don't lose very often Nebraska I think they have a chance to be the most fascinating team Nebraska is a team to watch in the country this year simply because this quarterback now this happens a lot in college football a young fstar rumors that he got three4 million never taking a snap you know part of the reason I think he's not at Georgia is because Kirby Smart rightfully so doesn't go hit certain amounts with high school recruits I mean they'll pay them but they weren't willing to pay what Nebraska was willing to pay they'll pay established starters which to me is the move I would be very hesitant paying high school recruits especially at quarterback millions of dollars cuz over half of them are not going to turn into NFL players are superstars but Nebraska had no choice dad had played there and he was a legit festar could have got Ohio State Georgia like they both wanted him if this guy is good I think Nebraska's going to be really interesting this is why when I look at USC like they're not beating Penn State I don't know how good Michigan's going to be but like I can't just chalk them up to beat Michigan and when they play random teams like Wisconsin Minnesota like are they just a lock to win these games no chance Can Dabo rally Clemson to the top? the other team that I think everyone's kind of written off because he's easy to make fun of he say some random stuff and he's anti- the portal so everyone's kind of ripped him for it is Clemson and I do wonder if we're gonna see Clemson this year we see Florida State DJ stinks so they're gonna have problems Miami's coach is just it's hard to trust you know the the people are the hype behind Miami is putting a lot of faith in Mario Chris ball whenever Mario had to play a real Coach at Oregon he lost and then on top of that he does some of the dumbest you'll ever see it's happened to him twice now not kneeling the ball running the ball and it's led to fumbles and losses and the other thing is Cam Ward who I watched a lot at Washington state is a pretty big wild card like he might be good he also might throw three picks in two of the biggest games in Miami lose what if Clemson is good this year because yeah they don't do the transfer portal but they recruit at an elite level so what if this is the year that like some of the teams that won national titles they're just stacked with future NFL players which they always are but like it kind of clicks and everybody and I mean everybody is going Georgia is gonna kill them gonna destroy them and I'm not saying they're going to beat Georgia but I think this is a pretty easy year for davo to kind of motivate and rally the troops they had some momentum coming off last year because they actually played pretty well with some major question marks at quarterback so I would say USC I think they're going to suck relative to the standard there I'm not saying two three wins but I think they're much closer to a six7 win team than a 10- win team I can't wait to watch Nebraska and I think people are sleeping on Clemson