Neeraj Chopra Wins Olympic Gold! Paralympic Shot Put SCANDAL & STAHL GOES 69! | Throws Show

Intro [Music] what's up everybody welcome to another episode of the throw show we're gonna cover a couple big throws and then we're gonna go deep into the paralympic controversy around uh ziad zolkefi from malaysia and then we'll cover some huge coaching moves in the world of throwing at the ncaa collegiate level so trevor how's it going pretty good how are you what are you what are you focusing on right now with your athletes as you're in the fall a lot of these high school throwers are uh you know some of them might be in seas or in season for other sports and some of them you know just just training right now what are you doing uh i mean yeah a bunch of the high school guys are playing football right now i think the goal with them is just to get any any throwing they get in during the football season is a plus you know they don't have to be going you know all out in in training you know their focus is football right now and that's that's great um but you know if they can throw once or twice a week you know just get out there you know at the school or wherever and take a couple throws um you know that that's going to help carry over their summer training to you know when they start up again in november december right um and just you know kind of minimize those losses through the season um i mean for everyone else it's it's basically just like honestly this time of year i think is like doing more long-term technical changes stuff that we saw was wrong during the season but you know we didn't want to get right into and dive into because it might have affected some of the throws for competition and that that yeah that's what we focus on technically but then strength wise it's just getting as big as possible strong as possible and you know really trying to build a solid base you know before we get into into the season in the winter what position would daniel stahl play if Daniel Stahl Goes 69 he was a football player kicker but he's flat-footed that's true i don't know he could uh that'd be interesting i would say tackle or guard because he moves so well and that takes us right into him throwing 69 31 and one thing i wanted to to bring up is you know i brought this up outside today actually at throwing the hundred meter women uh especially i've been following the the swiss girls cam bungie and then the jamaicans uh they're still just they're still competing at this super high level in the 100 meters you know frasier price is running like ten seven every week and it's like how are they doing that and then you see stall throw 69 31 you know september what september third or whatever the date was and it's like how are like to be able to put out this style of throw and i actually other than his his reverse seems a little odd but like his actual movement in this throw i really really liked and it's just like one of those things where it's phenomenal that these guys are able to hold this form this late in the season i was actually talking to rudy winkler about this today um because before he left for tokyo he's like dude i was throwing 79 every throw 79 79 79 and then as soon as he got back from tokyo he was like i was 75 74 75 74 and he just threw like 75 or 76 i think in poland he's like dude it's just hard you just get so worn out but the best of the best don't and i don't what is it what do you think that is or do you think it's just thousands and thousands of reps i mean i i think that's the that's basically what it is i mean and and and like you know you see you don't see a whole lot of young throwers doing that stuff like this and i think that it comes into just you know becoming the movement is just second nature to you it's not it's not like working on you know new things every day it's not doing different stuff all the time it's it's just the same it's not only throwing you know consistently for years and years and years but it's it's throwing the same way and with the same you know focus i think for long periods of time that that builds that consistency yeah what would you say i think that's part of it i also think too you know with stahl it is easier with him with travel um the europeans have a little bit easier travel schedule than than anybody in the western hemisphere i also think with him the spotlight has a big you know this meat looks a little bit smaller but everybody's sort of on top of you it looks like it's a pretty entertaining style meat where there's a lot more energy right on the circle so it could be a little bit easier to get up for it um and i have seen some of his lifting videos recently where he has been like pushing it a little bit more and i think you know obviously too i think a lot of these guys are going to look at it like all right if i can compete till middle of september i think next week's the diamond league final if i can compete till middle of september i'm going to give myself four to five weeks off afterwards so i think they also see i think it's like uh approaching it with that true business mentality where this is their livelihood and it's a lot it's it's like the my strength coach used to say this growing up in high school he would always say you know you know nobody's giving the garbage man a day off from work he's got to do physical labor every single day and he just adapts to it over and over and over again and it might be like you know this is the way these guys are wired up wired because it is their it is their their means of making money yeah i i also think it it's i also think we look at it through a different lens because of how our high school and ncaa seasons are set up yeah and that our you know our primary season is during the spring when we get to the end of the summer in the fall it's like how are these guys still doing it but you know stahl wasn't competing in in the spring like like a lot of you know us throwers uh maybe you did a couple meets i don't know but i i i don't think he really started competing hard until you know honestly i think the olympics was one of the his you know first i would say and full meats of the year um but so i feel like now it's just like you know he prepared for this he's preparing that the summer months are you know is when i'm competing when i'm gonna be in top shape all right so who are you going into next oh Neeraj Chopra niraj uh chopra the javelin olympic champ yeah so this is a video he he posted himself um i think what's interesting with this throw is that i don't think anybody saw him winning you know if we we could go back and look at the odds but i'm sure they were absurdly uh challenging for him to to come out on top of winning i think everybody had better winning at that point you know and for him to do this he has competed really well on the international stage he seems to be a gamer i i think what's crazy is something like this could completely it's like when um oh my gosh why can't i think about his name from trinidad uh walcott when he won in 12 and then meddled again in 16 it's like dude those are moments that can completely change your the trajectory of your life it's like the the filipino woman who won the 55k uh clean or weightlifting gold medals you know she was given two mansions that she doesn't have to pay taxes on or pay for for the rest of her life and it's like this stuff can completely change someone uh someone's life from from specific countries it's a little bit different but i think just winning a gold medal in general the olympics is changing your life no matter what yeah i also think this is a this is just a really cool moment for you know india as a as a throwing country as well yeah and i i think that we're gonna start to see india start to rise more in the throes i mean like you see uh i think is kamal preed and discus yeah um the women who who placed i think she was like fifth or sixth um and you know i i got this here train for like three days in a row yeah and um i don't know i i just think we're going to be seeing more indians place you know high at a world championship level meets in the future yeah okay so heading into trousers so this throw from krauser got a a whole bunch of love um and i even brought this throw up to you in the office here i was like hey what do you see out of this because tamanna and i had discussed it uh you and i then ended up discussing it and it it was interesting because i don't even know what he ended up throwing here but one thing i like the rhythm to it the rhythm seemed nice but the there was like a slight more there was a little bit more of a hop off of his left so i feel like he got caught up a little bit at the front but the actual rhythm of the throw seemed really really sweet so it's like where do you what do you what would you see here uh from a technical perspective that that maybe you like and maybe that you don't like yeah i agree i think i think yeah he comes is a little bit more hop through the middle of the circle which i think gets his right just a little longer across but i think what he does really well in his throat i think he catches the shot back really deep and it almost seems like more of a rotational finish than you know maybe he typically does maybe partially because of that you know if if you land with the shot a little bit more open and it just kind of comes a little bit straight through then you know if it's if you're catching it back more you have to rotate out of that um to get into the finish and and not finish down the right sector line which he he finishes pretty much straight down the middle so um yeah those are my thoughts what what do you think i mean i also said this to timon that my critique was he he might be a little jumpy off his left like very very more so than he normally is but at the same time if one of my throwers moved like this i'd be ecstatic um i think you're right though i think he does catch that deep and he works it really well at the front i i you know i think it's just interesting to see some small technical changes especially the greatest shot putter of all time i also think like you know we've seen so many of krauser's throws and to see something a little different is abnormal yeah i think you know yeah and it it makes you wonder you know is it intentional is it not intentional is you know is it the chocolate he even says is it the chocolate chocolate very well maybe if you had to choose between chocolate or ice cream for the rest of your life you can scream [Laughter] Joshua Tunde okay so here's joshua tunde who you know almost made the the u.s olympic team and he's i believe he's been a little bit fatigued he's had a couple throws like 20-70 not that those are bad throws but not near his pr right excuse me uh but what he ends up doing is goes over to um i don't even know where this was yeah i have no idea is it in italy it might be in italy and just cranks a 22 meter bomb and i think you know i talked with mike sergeant his coach in uh in college and that's a great reaction from uh and one of the things that one and that's what else is cool here is that josh like never shows i feel like he rarely ever shows emotion um so i think that's really really freaking cool but it's like uh one of the things that sergeant said during during the trials was when we were down there was that he felt like josh could go 22 you know at any moment but there's a it's a it's a tough meeting and it's it's a tough throw to throw 22 meters so for him to join that club i think it's awesome i think it's fantastic and he's just putting himself right back in that that mix of those top four uh top five guys now really where it's otterdahl darrell uh josh and then joe and and krauser now now we've got five guys that are 100 can be bombing yeah yeah uh and it's like all right who's gonna who's gonna come into the mix i think liskowitz got sixth you know he's another guy that could go 21 50 to 22 next year um i don't really remember the rest of the places i know you know it's just it's crazy how many of these guys might be over 21 mid by this time next year so congrats to him on this huge throw and it's you know i've always liked his movement out of the back i i think all right so going from iowa tonde that 22 meter bomb now we're gonna go right Tom Walsh into a throwback of kovacs and tom walsh from i think this was they said what seven years or nine years ago um right so where does how old does that put these so that would be i think they're 32 i think so that would be 20 yeah 20. 23. they look like they're 12. they look younger than 23. so by this point i wonder what their pr's were and i still think that that's that's justin i don't know i think that might be justin i mean he kind of looks like i don't know but so so they'd be 23 and by this time joe had thrown like 21 low i don't know uh walsh walsh probably 21 low and now they're both 22 91 2290 they're pr and probably 50 pounds every year i think the beards beards and beards make it make a big difference too but look at their shoulders yeah oh yeah like their shoulders are probably at least have an extra 100 pounds on them maybe not 100 pure muscle so i think that that's it's an interesting thing because it's i was actually talking to one of our guys that we train online today uh this morning on instagram and he was just commenting about when are we going to back off of some of the hypertrophy work and i was sort of like does it look like tom and joe ever backed off before but it was also like dude you're you can't even bench 100 kilos for like 10 reps yet like we're not backing off until you can hit that and i think that that's one thing you know joe's hit 600 plus for multiple reps uh at 100 pounds possibly and then tom has done just absurd uh weights where you can you can even go back three or four years in some of his deadlift work and some of his his his speed works just phenomenal so it's like i think it just shows that transformation of and you can see it in krauser too from when he was in college till now where it's like dude you've got to be really really strong to throw 23 meters yeah and that's just the way it is it's like dude you want to you want to drop bombs and stay healthy you've got to do that i think the thing is you can back off with some heavy lifting but you might not be as healthy long-term because you don't have that ability to to handle the the speed and that deceleration that's a great and even uh robert harding commenting on that that's pretty cool so that takes us into the f-20 the f-20 paralympic uh Zoltan Zulkefy controversy so uh we brought this up a little bit in the beginning um so ziad zulkeffee here who's got great glide technique from malaysia was competing under protests and so he is the the defending paralympic champ um he won in 2016. wait so did he throw c i think that it might have even said 18 meters there i could be wrong see i think it was like 16 plus because you see the 17 meter line i thought they had one out there that was hang on anyway oh the winner are you saying no when they have a i thought they popped up like his series anyway one of the one of the interesting things here that happens is that they ended up yeah 1794. yeah sorry you're right he goes 1794 um what's that like 58 nine something along those lines just just shy of 59 feet and he's throwing under protest i think there was two other athletes one or two other athletes that was also throwing under protest mainly because they claimed that so they were late to the call room and so when you are at the olympics they call you uh and you have you get two calls to get to the to the call room call room is right outside the stadium and then from there you get you put in this like holding room and then they walk you into the stadium and when you're in that holding room i think athletes have like another five minutes to get there but the whole time they're calling you uh if you're not checked in they will call you multiple times to get to the call room before you actually uh don't make the time and everybody knows the time you get called everybody knows the second call time and then you know like if you're not if you're not there at that other time you're done um you don't get to compete so and that's they know that that everybody knows that ahead of time that's very very clear i think one of the things that i've read from zolkathy here is his argument was that they didn't understand the language so there was a language barrier and they weren't positive about that the time to to get there and i think that even mentions that in the in the npr article where they go over that now another issue i sort of have is i don't know if i buy it because i know that they're announcing in english um i also know in malaysia they speak english not everybody speaks english but it's like a vast majority of the population speaks english so the team should be well prepared for this and he's also an olympic champ from 2016. so i sort of think it's literally could be an administrative coaching error i think zolkey came out and sort of owned it that he let down the malaysian population and the malaysian the malaysian fans but i think that's it's just one of those things where it's like as a coach you have to be prepared in every way shape and form for what you need to do and plan ahead for the worst case scenario because there was an olympic uh sprinter from the u.s who had had to get like a taxi to make sure that they got to the stadium on time because they missed the bus so the bus schedule is laid out um everything the call room is laid out and when you're on the warm-up track they're calling you over and over and over again to get there yeah so sort of stinks but it's also like dude they set it up pretty well yeah i don't know i don't have all the details but i'm you know i would err on the administrative side that it's an error more so with with his coaching staff probably yeah i feel like that's always an unfortunate way to to go out on like uh you know uh you know technicalities like that like we saw you know and and even even with you know cc like yeah you know it's the same you know not the same but similar sort of thing where there's a break through at some point on the administrative error and it you know affects someone's ability to you know really see through their dreams so absolutely and i think before we get into a lot of the coaching changes uh david blair finished just off the medal stand in the u.s uh i think he's at 44. you know jeremy campbell ended up winning that olympic gold medal so blair was just off the the metal stand josh cinema got the bronze medal in in his uh section and i always feel bad for him because his main competition that dude from canada is like seven one he's like i look like a child standing next to him on the podium so the the para games ended up being really successful with a lot of good results and even those guys competing in some really poor uh conditions a lot of the days it was raining over there um but it's just interesting jeremy campbell's another great discus thrower who i think a lot of people could watch and see you know he's he's done damage he's i think he's a world champion already uh and just learn from these guys learn from these athletes as as even from from their technique like we have had um podcasts with aled davies he also ended up defending his olympic title i think he actually i don't know if he won in 16 but um you know he brought home the gold and he's another great competitor and it was an absolute torrential downpour when he was competing so trevor you were an ncaa division one collegiate thrills coach D1 Throws Coach that's right what what is attractive behind being a d1 throws coach what like what's cool about it um um i mean you get nice facilities you get money you get a budget to work with okay um you you know you have scholarships to give out how big was your budget uh i mean really is whatever i mean the budget was on the track team so is up to the for us at least it was up to the discretion of the head coach you know where funds were you know put but and this is this regarding equipment or is this regarding actual like financial scholarships okay um well both okay both so so yeah then that's just you know it's different every everywhere you go sometimes you know coaches portion out okay the throws get this amount of you know scholarships to hand out distance this amount but um but for us it was all kind of case-to-case basis but i mean yeah i mean i think i think it's nice to be able to provide for the athletes just from like shoes and you know equipment and you know i never got caught up with like oh man i wish we had you know these weighted implements and we couldn't get them or you know we got shoes you know lifting shoes throwing shoes all that and so i think just the ability to do that where i know i've coached at d2 schools and d3 schools and um you know you just you can't do that there's just not the funds there for that um but what's the downside behind it the downside uh i mean i think that you know there's more travel involved you have to you have to travel more which you know i liked i think a lot of people enjoy who get into that type of job but if you're more of a you know like to stay in one place and just kind of have more of a consistent routine uh you know that's definitely different not gonna be uh the best there but um but i mean honestly overall i i had a blast when i was when i was coaching um i thought it was a lot of fun and you know um you know just great to have a group of committed athletes that you could just you know really focus on and just take to you know the next develop to the next level so so what do you think would be playing devil's advocate here because we're going to go into a lot of coaching changes that we're going to discuss what do you think is like the overarching motivation for a lot of coaches that might move or have moved i mean i would say i would say location and and money would probably be the the biggest things i mean i i i stopped coaching because of location yeah like that's why i moved back home um and and also you know pretty good opportunity here but but the location was was pivotal in why i you know stopped coaching and you know i know a lot of in a lot of situations too you know on even at a mid major d1 level you're not going to be making a whole lot of money and i think if you have the opportunity to move up just from a financial standpoint to support your family you you can't support a family on what most you know even mid-major division one coaches would would make like you need you need a supplemental income um how about most likely what about relationship with your boss that that yeah that's that's a good one too i'd say or co-workers um you know other coaches you would never leave your current job though because you're both oh no of course not [Laughter] but um yeah i mean i i think that's and you know i i want i wouldn't blame someone for that i mean you know you have to if you don't have a healthy work environment like that's that's not a that's not a good life you know yeah um and yeah so i i mean yeah i think those are good three three different things so why don't we go into let's try and get the run down here so we got ashley kovac so i think you know based off the track record what she did at ohio state what she's done in western kentucky what she's done with joe uh coaching joe kovacs um arguably one of the best in the world left ohio state to go coach and be the associate head coach at vanderbilt one of the quotes she has here is vanderbilt's uh tracking field is a sleeping giant and she looks forward to fulfilling her role in the awakening of the program and i think that um you know associate head coach probably a pay raise it's in the sec so there might be a little bit better also more funding possibly associate head coach might have a little bit more power there um leaving the big ten location might not be as ideal to where she was but also nashville is a cool town it's a really hipster town so i think it's an interesting move and i and what i wanted to do was sort of go through them all and then talk about what surprises you the most okay so i'm putting pressure on you so we got ashley kovacs who left ohio state uh let's go into eric werski who was at iowa he was at cal state northridge prior to this did a really really good job just dominating at iowa lots of really top-level talent um loggie came out of there she tore it up absolutely killed in the ncaa and at world championships even in 2019 made the final um so he was at iowa for about four or five seasons got the job at florida so that's i would say moving from iowa to florida would be an a rise in his you know he's at one power five to another power five but he's in the sec he's in the south he's at florida where it's no like they're pretty well known for their track um i think steve lemke was here i think was his name and he has retired i believe so he's got big shoes to fill they've had really good throwers in the past and so now he's down there uh and that i think is a a pretty big move as well with with wurski and wurski's a good up-and-comer guy and actually ironically was also one of joe's training partners at the otc so he's got some pretty good uh background and that brings us to greg watson who has left he was at lsu you know he had been at Greg Watson kansas state university for a while he had been a couple different places um and then left and went to uh from k-state to lsu and then was at lsu i think for about four or five years and now has come back to k-state and i think he might even be in another situation as an associate head coach um while taking you know going back and and being the throws coach so the the coach that was at k-state uh nathan ott has left k-state and gone to grand canyon along brook anderson has left and gone with him there so that's interesting you know sort of dynamics where watson left and then comes back and we also need to add in ryan hershberger who that's right yeah was at unc charlotte and left unc charlotte to head to uh the united states military academy aka west point where luke noonan is training trying to get his bench up so uh a little bit of like a mid-level movement there i would say and angelo who is at west point has left and moved to duke i think it's a duke i think he's at duke not positive um i'm trying to keep all this straight and then who who's the next one here so then we're going to move into okay ray robinson anyway we should do Jerry Clayton because this ties into lsu okay so tying into the lsu situation is greg leaves lsu greg watson leaves lsu goes back to k-state and in so doing i think associate head coach or assistant head coach i don't know what you would want to call it jerry clayton who was at michigan leaves michigan and becomes just the throws coach at lsu um not the associate head coach or anything so that could be an instance where we're talking about possibly i would say uh a boss situation maybe uh maybe not happy with administration uh jerry you know he coached sandra perkovich for a time back in the early 2000s he was at auburn sort of like a very well-known historically successful uh collegiate coach developed andrew liskowitz just tons and tons of really really high-end throwers so he's now down at lsu so there's currently a void at michigan i don't know if they've hired the coach at purdue i don't know if ohio state has hired a coach so there's a couple of purdue ohio state in michigan yep all handed out yeah all had openings and in the meantime iowa who also had an opening in the big ten i believe might have the best hiring of Coaching Changes all right now as far as um sort of like talent an up-and-coming coaching talent and ray robinson so we've got ray robinson who i in the past have said i think he's one of the best in the ncaa a top five guy in the ncaa when he was at tiffin so he had multiple guys throw uh high deep deep deep 19 meters he coached coy blair just like every school record you could ever imagine tiffin i don't know how many dozens of all-americans and and he's had multiple guys that could hang with with power five guys um at the d2 level so he's left tiffin and he's taken the job at iowa john yeoman who threw at penn state has left robert morris to go to tiffin right so i think i i know i'm missing a couple but i got sinclair and oh and then yeah and so scott capos has left nebraska justin st claire who i believe is probably the best in the in the ncaa currently took the job at nebraska and we should have like a ranking board of coaches and you just lay all this out it'd make way more sense and jeff flombaum who is at penn prior and lehigh is now at north dakota state really yeah so there's just this crazy uh workaround and it's just it's interesting too as as you know one one position becomes vacant and then you know has to be filled which creates another vacancy which has to be filled which creates another vacancy and it just keeps stringing out you know kind of now we're getting into the year you know the start of the year and yeah it's just interesting how you know it just keeps what just one change can make you know just make like a domino effect of other changes absolutely i think what's crazy is that you see someone actually who we've mentioned earlier mike sargent who coached joshua tunde he's been at south carolina for multiple decades we missed one john frazier has left ucla to be the head coach at texas state that's right so frazier is out at ucla and i don't know who they hired yeah and i think that's crazy partially i think it's the ucla ohio state michigan purdue for huge threat of schools yeah all right without coaches as far as we know yeah and what i think i think purdue hired somebody but i don't know who they hired i didn't check i think what's crazy with frasier and john frazier if you're watching this thanks for sending those covet pills i appreciate it uh i had a long talk with him about about these pills he was taken uh at the trials anyway maybe i shouldn't say that but with with coach frazier leaving i always thought it's got to be hard to live in la as a throws coach because he's probably making good money but to live in l.a has got to be brutal so he moves to be the head coach at texas state which i think is is very very interesting and he could do really well it's a consistently pretty solid school as far as athletics is concerned with with track and field they have a pretty good uh they have a pretty good history there and i think um the high jump like olympic champ in 96 went there so anyway there's just so much movement ray going to iowa it's it's interesting too because then you start to see frazier's got a family um rey's got a family and there are different points in their life you know where he's got younger kids here so it's like then you start to think about the personal stuff going into it and it's just how do you handle that as a i would ask you how do you handle that as a as an athlete one not knowing if you're gonna have you know some of these guys might have two three four coaches in their career right but then two how do you handle that as a coach like at what point do you say you know what i want to stay here indefinitely or two i don't like my boss i don't like my head coach i don't like the athletic director i'm not getting the funding um so i guess i don't even know where to start because i i look at it from our perspective where we're sort of in this private sector and i'll be honest i've been waiting for ryan whiting i don't i've been i've been interested to see if he'll get into the collegiate ranks or not um and now i don't know if he will i think he might also be looking at this maybe the same way i do where i i almost have a jealousy of these guys but then at the same time i see all this working like all the the instability yeah and it's like maybe i shouldn't be jealous maybe it's just like grass is always greener where i see their facilities i'm like we don't maybe i don't need those facilities maybe it is just the stability is more important i've got a family here you know all those things so i don't know i i think i Be Flexible think on one hand it's you know coaching in the ncaa really any sport you know you're traveling all the time it i think just the how it's set up lends itself to being you know you're not you can't be very tied down and be an ncaa especially a division one coach at in any sport you have to be able to you know be flexible be you know on the move and and just you know you have to travel a lot and i think that just that fact Travel uh makes it more likely for for people to you know just uproot and move somewhere else um just because they're already used to traveling a lot they're used to being you know in and just having busy schedules and you know busy weekends um and so i'd say that from the coaches and i think that's one thing that maybe plays into you know uh why people why coaches move around and also i think it's just a you know even if there's people out there looking Coaching wanting to be a throws coach is something you need to go in expecting yeah that like it isn't just the type of job where you can just you know just uh you know lay down somewhere and just you know have a normal you know nine to five and and just kind of coast you know it's something you you're gonna be traveling you're gonna be you know working odd hours and um and you know just doing a lot of different things especially on your own initiative all the time and you know it's not it's not a it's not a simple job yeah um but um i think from the athletes end i mean i think you know it's it's something that's unfortunate but it is reality um and i think that you know the coaching changes in just in you know four or five year period um you know while you're out of school and i think i think it's something that everyone has to be ready for yeah you know if you're if you're going somewhere you know no matter what the coach says you know they're gonna you know die at this school you know whatever you need to be ready and be willing to to at least you know be ready to see your options if you know when the coach uproots and and goes elsewhere yeah and i think you know you have to be ready for that you have to be either really confident and just comfortable in the school you're at and just you know uh you know whether it's making friends or you know just the the major you're in or um just uh you know the area that you're in and be you know confident there or you have to be willing to possibly transfer if you if you you know if you're if you believe your career is is that tightly bound to the coach that you have yeah yeah um i think it's i think i think that's accurate i mean for me personally i had three college coaches and that was in 2002 to seven right so i had a coach that recruited me and coached me for about a week and then left at penn state then i had a coach for four years and then i had my senior my fifth year coach i think what you just said is that you've just got to be like as an athlete able to go with the flow and and that's when you're gonna you can make and realize like those systems might change and and and recognize that what you said is key coaches might say i'm gonna i'm gonna be here long term no matter what and literally leave the next day because their best interest is themselves and their family and that's okay they have to be they should be selfish you know if they've got a wife kids and a family or a husband and kids like they should be selfish it's not you're not their priority their their families are priority and you're you're their second priority so i think that or third you know i think it's like uh just being ready for it and and recognizing that a lot can happen a lot can change and and i think that's where you know you that's where the best athletes come from like you're not going to be the best athlete if you are absolutely dependent on someone else you have to be able to be have independence and i actually think i'm going to put a plug for d3 athletes out there because i think d3 athletes they that's their whole career yeah every year they have a new coach a new coach no facilities no no anything no gear but it's just at this level it's like you have the best and then it's like when it's taken away you know what's left right you know and i think that's where you need to be um you know just fully functional and by yourself and you know to and be able to be adaptable to different circumstances to be able you know to succeed yeah i think that's huge so i my throat i want everybody to comment down below on who you guys think was the most surprising move or who made out in this situation i think vanderbilt made out i think iowa made out big time i think florida got a great replacement with warski signing down there the situation with with k-state and with watson i think turned out probably better the way he wanted for you know maybe his family i guess that's probably why he moved back there he's going to go back there and you know be super successful uh jerry clayton goes back to the sec so he had been at auburn earlier in his career so it's just sort of the the the intertwining uh spool of of everything that's going into this and then you see someone like hershberger even potentially making a maybe a a little bit step forward in his career how long is he going to be at west point um it just it's interesting so comment down below with who you guys think had the craziest move and what's going to pay off the most for that school until next time guys peace