WR Rank Disputes: Is Cooper Kupp Still Elite? (2024 Fantasy Football)

robs Round Table we got the boys together welcome back we may not be the most handsome crew in the world but we are all hogged out and Liz be sporting one of the most deep throwable lap halls in this piece can't it we call that the German house music right there it's true it's very true hogging it hogging it this is rank disputes wide receiver rank disputes check out the previous pod running back rank disputes we did our ranks We're going off ECR we're going to show you what their ECR is and then our biggest differences we're going to yell at each other dude I love it we're not going to agree so much in it the running backs knives at table it got a little heated somebody somebody got shoved boy that escalated quickly I mean that really got out of hand fast yeah I stabbed a man on the heart I saw that brick killed a guy he was yeah me and Nicko are drinking let's cheers of that it was it's his birthday tomorrow by the way Happ birthday this guy's not good enough but we're being naughty mys boys we're being naughty feeling old and gray how old are you turning 4 42 42 you I'll be 42 in two weeks I'm I'm 23 I'm the young dude of the group I just look like [ __ ] um that's why we get you look good you're trimming down I am trimming down I look good I look good all right we're getting into this wide receiver rank disputes I do have a stat of the day for you involving Drake London so this is ADP across multiple uh formats okay different platforms hello hello here's how it goes we're going to start with I'm not going to give you the format I'll put in up here 14 18 24 28 and 35 that is his that is his discrepancy in an ADP who 35 what platform has at ESPN is all out of whack yahooo has 20 course is 14 which is so if they're that out of whack on London that there has to be guys that they that they have ranked way too high yeah I just thought that was interesting that he is literally 20 spots different the the ESPN fantasy platform is acious I don't know if you played on it I have I do it sucks to change your profile picture Avatar you have to you have to put a link in you can't just like upload an image you have to put a link in and it doesn't work 9 it's 2024 ESPN just sucks in general sorry ESPN they did just fire RG3 you're going to get the mouse coming after you whatever oh boy you don't talk to me like that you little piece of [ __ ] whatever RG3 actually was awful this going get copyight do you want to come on the show we'll just talk about how yeah RG3 no I like RG3 yeah no I'm not a fan you trying to are you trying to diversify white dudes talking fantasy most of his takes I disagreed with get some cornrow up in this action oh man censor that one okay this is wide receiver rank disputes I got I'm rapping now uh here's our here's our first one the week neighbors ECR is 23 story has him at 11 I have him at 13 Nick o 26 why do you hate mil neighbors what say you n what say you tell us why you hate Malik neighbors I like Malik neighbors as a player I do not like the New York Giants and don't want to root for them in any shape way or form then so don't even listen to him cuz he's biased that's mostly it like my ranks my tears did he bang I can get a little biased on him no not that I'm aware of I don't I mean I don't think he frequents Elburn but who El never know there's a train station right there you up on the train dude no uh it's it it's probably too low I had a really hard time with receiver rankings I'm not going to lie there's a lot of guys I like there's a lot of guys I can move uh number of spots one way or the other and still be perfectly fine with it not argue against it I'll give you your defense here you're at 26 you're at 26 ECR is 23 so actually we're the ones that are weird and story give give him the Spiel man tell me how good Danny dimes is uh Danny dimes can play football I I've seen him throw a football once or twice I don't care about that I don't care like you can get the ball anywhere in the vicinity Malik neighbor and he's going to bring it down after if Marvin Harrison Jr was not in this class Malik neighbors would be the highest drafted rookie watch wide receiver of all time that's just a fact because he was absolutely dominant in the SEC he's got measurables that are just prototypical for a wide receiver one he's fast he's dominant on the field outstanding route Runner and Danny knes can throw the football like I saw him do it one no no here's the biggest thing is who else is there but outside of w Del Robinson who I kind of like I like w Del Robinson there is nothing there I mean jayen Hyatt I think could still carve out a little deep an mvs role which only helps only helps neighbors yeah I I don't care I do like Daniel Bellinger too neighbors can play all over the field he played all over that's what they're going to do right they're going to move him around like Jer Joker oh my God mine is a little injury I can't wait for League neighbors this year he's going agreed I love it too I'm not as high as you but 13 is is 10 spots higher than e you think the GI where are the Giants in total points scor this year like bot 17 and a half oh jeez I have 26 it doesn't matter I looking at 160 targets dude which Oh I thought you meant total total points on the year so 17 total looking at yeah we're looking at 26 to 27 rank in the NFL doesn't matter targets bro playing from behind neighbors neighbors is GNA come out and catch a touchdown in week one and he's going to be flying up boards all right next one here George Pickins is 27 in ECR story has him at 12 I have him at 25 nio has him at 23 so we are actually both higher than ECR sounds like he could be the man of the P he is very high on George pickings I I went why uh did you see the kid of Georgia oh I love I mean outstanding film right and he was as a rookie he played exceptionally well had to deal with you know again a weird quarterback situation but Russell Wilson has always produced a pretty solid fantasy output with wide receivers with his number one wide receiver and there's not any Target competition Pratt firemouth is going to get some underneath stuff there is talk of Brandon possibly going there I think he ends up staying with the 49ers personally so for me that's just it it's opportunity and it's Talent and the Steelers Mike Tomlin finds a way to get his players involved I mean even when deontre Johnson was dropping pass his left and right he was catching a million passes Pickins is a big play guy he can also catch stuff short the thing for me is Wilson can still throw a pretty uh decent deep ball and you know be Justin Fields let's just GNA get some there but that's my question I knew you were going to say that where's pick you you mentioned on the last pod that DJ Moore performed quite admirably with Justin Fields last year so I have no worry whether it's fields or Russell Wilson next one here Cooper cup I want to [Music] believe 18 Nick oh has him at eight ahead of I have at 20 you have at 23 so we are kind of in line I was higher forever I was higher on him than cuz he started out 6 27 I was like I love Cooper cup now it's getting close yeah the puka injury doesn't look like it's that bad so I ended up moving him down a little bit Nick you're you're your floor here buddy the the the puka injury is what it is I don't think that affects Cooper either way if you watch previous po I talked to one of my hot takes is he's going to outscore puka this year I think that offense continues to move the ball well and that McVey L offense you've got Williams coming back to to hold down the running back position but as a whole I watched cup with the triple Crown just a couple years ago and I think he can do it again I think last year a lot of his struggle was still playing through injury or not fully recovered from it I think he's fully healthy him and Matt Stafford are BFFs you're going to see that chemistry come back and he's going to surprise uh surprise a lot of people and win some leagues so clearly your hot takes weren't hot because you actually ranked it as such uh which is impressive I mean hey hats off to you buddy put your money or your mouth is right where do you have puka uh 10 wow okay you're high in that offense then so we both I think they're going to throw we are in that's the one system that can support two true um and I like Demarcus Robinson as well there honestly uh where he's going it's super late but so we're both kind of in line with where he's going and I feel like the name we're probably not going to have him very much because of the name value of Cooper cup of the previous number one overall pick right he was in that mold yeah but recency bias is huge in fantasy did last year I think I think I'm going to have Cooper everywhere at less than you're definitely going to have everywhere like where's he Tak in the first round bro but what are the ecrs for puka and for Cooper right now puka I don't have it puka is like seven okay I and I said Cooper Cup's at 18 puka at 13 and I have cup at 23 so I'm a little low on cup I'm little on both of them I'm not yeah all right let's move on Damonte Adams ecr1 I have at nine nio has him at nine Story down at 21 oh come on whoa oh listen rough I I I love my man Devonte Adam you don't like him I heard you literally say before the B you hated him and you ranked him at 21 yeah um so you're taking George pickings three rounds before you're taking Devonte Adams yeah I absolutely would I I think I think there's plent that's sick I am sick we may be drunk this man is on I think I saw Adams check out of plent mentally check out of Plenty games this last year that was Jimmy G that wasn't Gardner muu a motivational dude he he drives RV magic of the mustell and garden MCH are going to elevate Devonte Adams this poor guy he got he he got shipped off he also makes $20 million a to Las Vegas he got that's a fun place it's fine gamble you lose all the money he just got like who they hookers who he can B who they just draft a hooker Bowers what do we know about Brock poers he's going to play the tight end probably the best tight end Prospect of all time so he's going to open it up he's not going to open up he's guy man of the Pod Michael Michael Mayer Meer Meer Mayer is uh still playing they're putting both of those guys on the field they're running two tight on 21's insane we might be a little high on Devonte Adams just based on what we know the player P open all the time man he gets F swearing please first one so I hate when you swear you're the only one that can't swear um all right cuz I do tend to miss yours cuz they roll off the tongue so nice right other things roll off the tongue too elant el el eloquent thank you got it yeah this get this guy some booze next guy here Mike Evans Nick o ecr's 13 on Mike Evans niiko 11 I am at 18 and story's at 22 so you're just out on these older receivers yeah I'm I'm not really interested in in trying to recapture the magic with some of these guys I'd rather be a Year too early than a year too late on some of these guys I've seen them catch the touchdowns and I feel like they're going to keep catching the touchdowns until they don't and it feels I get a warm fuzzy coming out of the draft with all those touchdowns I want the next big thing I want your ol aves your Wilsons your londons I don't really want guys that like yeah Evans is great but do we know that Baker's good enough to to keep that going year after a bit of a roller coaster too I'll give you yeah I mean if you want two catches for 28 yards you're probably going to get that four times a year from Evans so yeah I I just don't want that but you don't ever get it from George Pickins who doesn't block and gets benched I'm just saying dude I'm going to take the two touchdown games too and and yeah I'm not even a Mike Evans guy but uh and I'm at 18 so I am actually Five Below ECR but he is way below ECR I'm not I'm only four spots lower than you I know but I'm also low on him so like that's that's that's fair well I mean you can look at a potential bounceback year for Chris Godwin right that's the thing back to the slot uh McMillan's Getting a lot of Buzz out of Camp actually have they never had a third guy there right and I love Kate oton my most drafted guys in Underdog K K's stud he plays 9 white catches a lot of passes I like go back all this is Mike Evans everyone knows Mike Evans let's move on DK metf as I call him DK met bull my G my lover ECR 19 I got him at 12 Nicko at 20 and story apparently you didn't realize he's not 30 years old you have a 27 look at that right there 27 why why you love DK metf heard you earlier in this this year I do doesn't love the C I hate the Seattle office like I just there's nothing there's a chance you're wrong on that there is a chance there's a there's a small chance that I'm wrong on that I will so you like the Giants offense significantly more than Seattle dude is that what I'm hearing we yes I'd like to put that on so dude neighbors I do like the Giants offense more than I like neighbors over DK is just is rough I'm close I'm 12 and 13 but like I'm just going to take the sa DK is safety Okay Tyler locket still there right and Jackson Smith and jiga should take a step forward this year and and one of the one of these guys is catching passes out of the back field I don't know I I just I can't Gino Smith had an abysmal career he had one good year two years ago and we saw him regress last year what makes you think that he's going to recapture the magic here you ever seen hostile hey buddy [Applause] yeah I did see I love hating Gino too I'm with you I want to I DK is such a good player is uh the new offensive regime we've talked about it nause if you got points for tracking down a saf after interception nio you're at 20 he's at 27 I'm at 12 so you're right in between us who are you going to lean towards 12 or 27 for DK man it's tough cuz I'm look at who I got up there and I'm probably closer to the lower T tier because don't we're we're going to move on here to Marvin Harrison sorry Marvin Harrison Jr ECR N9 uh me and you both have at 10 and you have it 24 whoa his hot yeah even though you had the hot take of he's not going to be he's going to be RB that was a hot takes episode right right I'm just saying you had him as a low on wide receiver 3 yeah you didn't even have him your hot takes now you're telling me you're rank him at 24 Bing him at 24 that is I mean that's hotter than anything you had on the hot Tak episode I know right so why why why do you hate him so much you know when we were sitting out there and you're like I got some ones that are going to throw you off your chair I'm like all right and then you went to running backs you had a couple here or there but this is this is so what's up story's blown away I'm yeah why do you hate the Harrison family they're a dynasty I don't I like Marvin Harrison actually senior a murderer but go on I like you mentioned like Marvin as a player but uh as a whole I don't expect a lot out of Kyler my trust issues are with him and with that offense I I just don't see any of them moving the ball very much there's not a lot of other weapons there I'll give you that you've got McBride who I think uh there's a world where he's the leading receiver on that offense unfortunately for Arizona and I think uh Connor bangs out quite a few games when he's healthy he gets a lot of the work I don't I don't know that Harrison is the electric Elite generational talent that everybody's making him out to be I don't know that he's much better than neighbors and when it comes to the rookies on offenses that I'm not in love with I'm going to put him lower and I'm willing to just miss on those guys the first year and redraft leagues Dynasty is a whole another animal obiously well you're definitely going to whiff on that one cuz you're not going to own you're not going to sniff two rounds of that dude no M I'm not who's going to catch the ball there Greg Wilson yes dorch I do like dorch uh I think we're both in line we're both in line and I I mean I'm I'm not that comfortable doing it I'm not either I should I I don't think I would ever draft him there it's a bad ranking then yeah that's why looking I would I would that 24 is like again it's it's not a hard fast number I'm in tears move that dude up five and it's fine the thing is like I I don't like I I hate K Murray I hate the Cardinals offense but we saw what Kyler Murray did with DeAndre Hopkins and if Marvin Harrison is everything that he's touted to be then I don't I needed pie the problem's not with him yeah all right let's move on here tank Dell ECR 29 story you got him at 20 I got him at 30 Nick oh at 39 you are out at tank Dell why do you hate tank Dell I struggled so much with these houon and it's not that I'm out on tank Dell or I hate you're out on tank I don't think all three of them can do it and I still believe in digs more than the average person I'm not a Nico guy do have digs I've got Diggs at 27 25 and I've got Nico at 12 14 39 again electric last year I know the leg injury but he seems back and it seems like he's Stout's favorite guy I'm not arguing against Dell but I I struggled to to see where all three of them are going to be 39 is very very late yeah like I'm out on tankel because I have at 30 I'm one spot below ECR I feel like I'm out on him and like I feel like he's a value I mean I I probably too high on on Diggs all things considered but because they're not all going to hit that yeah well that's the problem you got to call your shot and and I picked the one that I didn't think was going to hit it but I could move them up that's fine I mean you can't you can't do it anymore this is on record bro your opinion that's how tears work you can move not talking about tears it's not tears show we did the tears all right uh I just I don't know the upside though of if he's still if he comes back healthy takes a step forward the guy's an elite separator he seems to be the number one Target and at least the most dynamic player there I'm not an Eco guy and Stefan Diggs is kind of just a I'm not gonna say he's just a guy anymore but he's much more of just a guy than tank Del is at this point right my concern is you don't see Diggs play 100% of the snaps right his volume isn't always there you saw him in the preseason game last week already yelling it onel like it's I I don't love the diva side of him but I think his talent is still there and I think it's I think he's going to be the one to out shinell but I I don't I mean this Houston offense should be spectacular this year I think there's room for they're real and they're spectacular and by the way they're real and they're spectacular all right let's move on Michael Pitman ECR 21 Nick o 18 I am 21 and stories at 28 why do you hate Michael Pitman I I hate possession receivers I don't I don't really hate possession receivers but I'm not willing to take a guy that looked okay with Anthony Richardson and looked really good with gner mchu a guy who really doesn't care and will throw the ball wherever like Devonte Adams is going to do really good with Gardner mchu yeah um [Music] dead air could you ease up on the crackers I don't know like the the the his efficiency rate went way down last year when he was playing with Anthony Richardson if you think Anthony Richardson is going to run as much as he he should run then there doesn't leave a whole lot of room plus you have Jonathan Taylor still there there's just not enough meat on the bone for me to like Pitman and has a highend wide receiver it's not down pitman's last three seasons 88 catches 99 catches 109 catches what are you doing 88 catches 99 catches 109 that's going up yeah but I mean you only have three and a half games of Anthony Richardson last year like he did okay in those games let me see those games what are those what are those I'm not going to that he did fine dude on him man he's safe and he offers upside okay so this this is a roster construction thing right like you've got some high upside guys pitman's probably a guy you want to throw cuz he should be a steady Ed you're talking roster construction he's talking tears this is ranks it's all a factor in your ranks though and your ranks need to be fluid and we're given reasons why fluids I just think 28 is too low again I'm ring ECR I'm not the biggest fan but safe with upside it's awful uh Chris his ECR is 12 story eight I'm 11 Nick 06 why do you hate Chris nio because I love rased Shahed oo that's why I I love at Perry yes uh it's it's not a Hate Thing uh olve is is I like him he's a really good player coming out of Ohio he has been every year there he's been a consistent uh player regardless of who's been back there throwing it to him I know you've got kamaro who hasn't stepped back and you've got seven tight ends there uh I just I don't know that I believe that much in car or that offense in a division where you're not going to have to score a ton of points to to run with the other players the biggest question is this is half BPR the biggest question is touchdowns with Chris he's not a Red Zone guy right he's not really I don't even know what the hell Chris olve is man I think he's a he's a poor man's Garrett Wilson in terms of talent we all agree with that yeah I mean he is an athlete Garrett Wilson's a feisty dude that fights for the ball I don't think I've ever seen Chris alve fight for a ball that's a problem it's how many plays can you picture in your head like ooh la made this play like to your I think oh no I hit him he's over there now I see to your defense earlier with Pickins he's making highlight real plays every week right I can't think of that many times I've I've seen a highlight re or highlight play from wave and so if it's not it just doesn't stand out like he's fine he's a good player he's safe he should lead that offense so why do you love Chris you have an eight yeah I'm looking for him to take the next step the these are like I said these young guys that should move to the next level right I'd rather have the guys I'd rather be a little early on a and have a down season in a couple places and then miss out on what could be the potential for uh 10 touchdown season there oh yeah like that okay I don't know who else is going to score touchdowns I literally don't uh pop Douglas I love Pop Douglas we all love Pop Douglas here you pop for Douglas I do like and you have him at 43 we did not rank him we just did our top 48 so I have him probably around 50 even though I think ECR is I didn't even write down it's probably about 60 I love it I love it especially full PPR this is half but I love him why doar Douglas I I I'm just if he catches more than one touchdown a year he's a wide receiver four like that's just a that's just a fact like there the the that offense is is not going to be good but Drake May should be better for the offense all around and he's pretty much the only game in town so you think May starts week one yeah no you think it's brisket oh 100% I'm concerned they ain't playing till week eight that offense is the low scoring offense in the NFL is my concern but it doesn't matter check Downs I and that's where you're at we're full peeper you love him yeah okay uh last guy here uh I have no Cooks written down none of us had Brandon Cooks ranked and he got hurt today didn't he didn't hear that but thought you did let's just go on the Assumption he did not get hurt today and I'll edit it out if he did let me check my stats um why do we not have Brandon Cooks inside our top 48 because we all love J ferus but that's a tight end and Love CD lamb but the running backs I love do but like why is is a wide receiver too especially when it's not like there's a two and a three that are are close I kind of like Tolbert but tolbert's so far gone in terms of rankings and people's talking about him why is Cooks not like wide receiv receiver 42 for us he left practice with an undisclosed injury today you really want pop Douglas and a half PPR over Brandon Cooks yeah I would I would take but Bron Cooks had eight touchdowns last year yeah I don't think he's getting eight touchdowns again this year I'd be surprised if he got four honestly I don't think that that Dallas offense is going to be as potent as it was number one I don't think so that defense is going to be better and they had some really weird games where they got out really early or they got behind really early and they had to throw the ball a lot I just don't see it there's a lot of controversy with the contract situation for Dak the contract situation for cidi lamb I think cidi gets locked up I think they they Dak is there enough time to structure a major contract for Dak before the start of the year I don't know I think he's fine yeah I don't know how plays out but as high as I have Dak and CD being my number one receiver and as high as I'm on Ferguson I need to have Cooks ranked like to your point like it's I missed should had him in there probably probably going to squeeze him in somewhere but uh move him up my board for sure where did he end up last year like overall as many passing yards in that had to be top 30 eight cat eight touchdowns man it wasn't bad it was like 800 yards eight ties dude like that's no he slipped through the cracks you got me good call I mean I don't know why any none of us had him ranked and I've been on him in like best and stuff I just feel like he should have been on our list because he's not sexy uh I know he's got a nice ass but like he's not like a sexy name he's he's been there done that but like he is the number two there and like I said there is no guy threatening him it's mostly Kenny stay health so 35 last year okay yeah all right well that's not terrible no no but dude he's right behind Teran McLaren I know W sad Jan WD I'm just man like you could give me all these reasons but yeah all right get out of here this is a great time love these guys thank you Nick Martinez getting the stuff out you're killing it Nicko happy birthday to you thank you for coming on as always we love doing it and it's been a complete Joy