Tempers FLARE in Explosive Trump vs Kamala Debate | Hippy Dippy

this really should be an election about character who do you trust to be the commander-in-chief who do you trust to to to wield that office and be looking out for you and not themselves Pisco is smart like Kamal Harris was smart in throwing out bait and just like Trump took the bait Gibbs takes the bait so he does exactly what I said he I think in the debate she she did good on the delivery but she didn't do good on the policy and that's why going back to the original query for the debate here tonight I don't think she did really well I kind of want to take a different tax so let them finish this up and I I want to ask a different Andrew no answer Rob's question Hutch don't run answer his question no you didn't answer answers question let's get started today we're going to be debating the debate so this debate's going to be good on the debate and it's the presidential debate debate setion Cala versus Trump Harris versus Trump I just want to get straight into it but first we go around simple introductions keep it under 20 seconds we don't need to know your life story let's start with Gibbs hey yeah my name is Admiral Gibbs you can find me everywhere doing adal uh as Admiral Gibbs on every platform I do gaming and we do politics several nights a week and uh we do a lot of Halo Focus stuff and other sci-fi genres like Halo um and uh Star Wars and 40K and uh college football thank you very much uh he's also a pick from the hippie recruitment so we're building it back up again uh Andrew yeah my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible it is to my knowledge fastest growing debate Channel on YouTube I'm a political analyst political satirist and a blood sport debater okay now we're got to throw it over to Hutch yeah you can find me at youtube.com Hutch we're doing daily uploads now on twitch.tv Hutch started off in gaming been doing politics for like eight years fantastic I'm gonna throw it now over to iri I'm really important I talk politics stream Monday through Friday that's about it perfect you also watched a lot of C-SPAN Joe yeah my name is Joe Lewis j o o e l e w i s um once again thanks again for having me I'm an alternate for somebody who dropped out so I very much appreciate um the last minute throw in but I'm very glad to be here thanks for having me aidite could not join us today due to sickness uh hopefully we can get her at another time G throw it over to Pisco thank you Dylan really appreciate being here thank you for the invite uh on Pisco I talk about law on Twitter a lot and occasional uh debate uh politics or or legal issues on Twitch or on YouTube that kind of thing U you can follow me on Pisco litty on Twitter okay Rob no Rob no populist conservative uh my YouTube channel is normal America with Rob no probably the best place to find me all other platforms just Rob no happy to be here and Turk I go by The Turk I can be found on YouTube At The Turk as well as Twitter I do a lot of uh PCS computer gaming and I'm a 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have done this before so I don't think it's that confusing we are going to open with the presidential debate what is your reaction to what we just saw between Harris and Trump uh do you think Trump won do you think Harris won how do you think it went and how does it reflect on the race we're going to start with Gibbs yeah I mean I think that uh maybe like on points uh Harris won uh but like I think Trump asked some key questions especially in his closing I think the things he said are going to stick with the populist especially with some of them ended up being true I know everybody's going to want to talk about the dogs thing which is like oh hyperbolic but you know whenever one of these crazy insane statements like the uh transgender surgeries for uh illegal immigrants in prisons actually turned out to be a true thing that she was advocating for you know I heard the left be real silent and kind of ignore that so I think that there's going to be some questions I think asking why um she hasn't done anything in the three and a half years she's been there is a pretty good question good way to close I think it was strategic um but I think she might she was very good in the debate um and maybe caught Trump a little off guard especially in that middle section okay got to throw it over to Andrew yeah so this was um a subpar debate on both ends I think that Trump barely got the best of it and the reason that he barely got the best of it is Harris really needed to have a decent showing and she really didn't she didn't really outline any kind of new ideas for America whatsoever there was nothing that wasn't just kind of a typified progressive policy um Trump on the other hand didn't have his kind of normal zingers but he got a couple of good shots in there ultimately I don't think the debate changed anybody's mind and I don't think that uh that either one of them are eager to have another one I saw today that Trump did not uh did not want to have another debate so yeah I would say that the edge went to Trump um Harris also had the disadvantage of being a woman and um you know she she I think that she handled that better than most by not being kind of like a shrill brat uh but ultimately she needed to have a a better performance day and she really didn't Hutch well I think the polls uh across the board have demonstrated that it's somewhere around 50% of the people thought she won the debate 25% of the people thought that Trump won the debate and 25% were undecided so the public at large uh surely seems to believe that got the better of it by pretty much a landslide Trump seemed like he was phoning it in the entire time it was pretty low energy if you compare his debate performance from 2016 it's quite obvious that he is not the same man that he was back then not quite as bad as Biden in the last debate obviously but definitely uh definitely low energy I think KLA went in there with a game plan to uh get under his skin and rattle him uh and I think she was obviously successful in doing that he spent far less time attacking her then she spent attacking him because he was spending most of his time uh defending himself she would throw a little bit of bait into each answer and he took the bait every single time I think she went into it clearly prepared and she executed on that plan so I don't think there's any question who won this debate okay I'm going to throw it over now to irai yeah I think Trump reminded a lot of people about why we don't want him back in the white house he shined a racist Spotlight on Springfield Ohio spreading this nonsense about Haitian immigrants are abducting people's pets and eating them and he looked like a fool Tik Tok is tearing him up right now over it he's also hanging out with this clown Laura lumer another racist who calls Kamala Sheniqua so I don't think Donald Trump had a great debate he looked like a fool and Kamala outlined some policy let's give new family $6,000 uh tax credit so they can buy a crib they can take care of expenses in that first year let's give first time home buyers $25,000 credit so they can get assistance with a down payment so I think kamla rocked it she had a great debate and I think she did what she had to do she didn't have to hit a home run she just had to hit a single or a double and she out she outperformed what a lot of people thought she would do okay uh I'm I'm not going just one after the other I'm trying to do like two conservatives two left two going back and forth so next I'm going to throw it over to Rob no okay first off not the topic that I was told I was was told that the topic was going to be who is positioned to better lead the country Cala Harris or Donald Trump I hope that we get to that but I don't I don't thought it was the debate no the topic that I was that wasn't the topic I was given either uh but that's fine I don't mind I'm flexible so hopefully we get to that and I think it'll further illustrate the point that I have on this debate in the first place sounds like a classic bait and switch Rob because now I'm because Bamboozled now listen I am gonna take position that I think Cala Harris won the debate so it oddly puts me now like maybe on the panel with the lefties at some degree but I don't think it'll move the needle in any way the reason is because Camala Harris is running from all adversarial sort of questioning of her positions whatsoever she is literally just running her campaign like the Biden Administration did in 2020 which is a campaign from a basement that's running on things like Vibes and leaving her surrogates do everything she literally has so few policy positions that she's pretending to be Trump and crib his policy positions because the left always has to pretend to be Republicans when it comes to elections because their positions are so unpopular so she's trying to do that she's literally copying and pasting her positions from the Biden Administration that the metadata shows it was just directly from bid and so she throws out a couple so $20,000 family bubble let's throw money out but she didn't really ever Define who she is this was Trump's chance to do so he took the bait didn't do a good job of defining her so I give him a c minus maybe a D+ I give Kamala Harris a c maybe C+ because she didn't do anything for people that are undecided to be more comfortable voting for in fact a lot of the polling shows that on the key questions such as the economy actually people are less impressed with her after her debate performance than before the debate performance because she didn't do anything to really inform the American people of what she would do or why she hasn't done it she is trying to run a campaign as if she's an agent of change when she is the deao incumbent she hasn't answered for the fact that she covered up for the mental decline just like every Lefty on this panel for the mental decline of Joe Biden and she claims that she was the last person in the room in many of these topics that means she has directly adhered to the Biden Administration their failed policies and as you'll see in this panel we'll have to talk about things like Trump talking about cats or Vibes or JD Vance is weird because everyone on this panel knows despite what they'll try to Gaslight you to believeing that the Trump Administration was more effective for the majority of Americans than the Harris Biden Administration so they'll do everything possible to not talk about the disastrous record and the fact they gaslit the American people for four years saying the economy is great The Border's great foreign policy's great when it's all disaster under the Harris Spide Administration so I just checked the question was who was better to lead the United States the future Kamal Harris Donald Shel parentheses post-presidential debate we can open with the presidential debate then we'll go to that question in it uh because I think we start with the debate then we move into those topics or you know it'll be an outgrowth anyway we're going to throw it over to Turk yeah so I actually is that louder now is that good enough Dylan it's perfect cool uh so I largely agree with some of the things Hutch said and resonate more with what Rob and Andrew said I think that Kamala performed better during the debate she was able to articulate uh some of the platitudes that she's been putting out throughout her different uh adventures and her presentations she's been doing at uh the rallies and stuff but I I do believe that uh things were really stacked against Trump uh in many different re uh Avenues uh being fact checked multiple times whereas there were plenty of obvious things that have been debunked that Cala was able to put out a lot of times that no one was able to push her on except for Trump never got to flush those out uh but when it to policy positions um I could debate with iri on some of what Kamala presented I think what Trump presented could have been presented better but I do believe that uh Trump's uh platform is a little more sound a little more rounded and more defined uh and I I would have to give Trump that edge on that on during the debate okay now we're going to throw it over to Joe Lewis yeah I want to make something pretty clear because I'm definitely in conference ation to the other more liberal people on this panel as somebody who voted uncommitted but then my primary and somebody that also plans to vote green for this election so I want to make it very clear that I have no stretch of the imagination in support of Cala Harris nor why I want to support the Democratic party moving forward with that being said in the confines of the debate itself I do believe that Cala did what she had to do in towards of poking Donald Trump but I'm not exactly convinced that seems to be something that's a very big Big Challenge to do since he pretty much took every single bait that she lobbied even the small things so that was very frustrating to watch my concern moving forward are a few clear things I think it's in the best interest of the American people for them to debate as often as possible moving forward I think that that has to be in some capacity in a more diverse environment that means that you need to have something within the DNC and RNC apparatus and then something else within the Fox News apparatus I think what would be beneficial if I am somebody within Trump's Camp is to keep the debates concentrated so having it focused on a particular policy something that was very frustrating for me is that education wasn't really a topic of the debate housing wasn't a topic of this debate voter expansion or lack thereof wasn't a conversation they were talking about Cal was talking about gun ownership and there was a school shooting less than 7 days prior that's embarrassing and really rough to watch and with that being said I I do strongly support moving forward that they have more debates I think it's in the best interest of the American people so I really hope Trump and Kamala can figure that out um I do think she did a great job or the best as she could but if we're turn if we're talking about grades it's like a B minus for Cala and then a D+ if not C minus for Trump but again we're not they're not talking talking to those who are on this panel they're talking to the undecided voters the moderates the more people closer to the center to trying to move them one way or another so that's going to be the hard part for both of them and we're gonna throw it to Pisco to wrap us up thank you thank you um so I don't really think it's Up For Debate that kamla won the debate I think practically I don't know three out of four conservatives here either say that she clearly won or it was a wash and so you know and poll suggest it as well um terms of Optics it was a no-brainer uh KLA Harris was clearly more polished more prepared on the point about taking the bait I don't think for example um people talking about the crowd siiz thing or the cats and dogs thing that that is just a optic point it actually is a substantive point and let me give you an example right now in my opening I could take the bait of what Andrew said about shrill women and start talking about that and acting all offended but I have a strategy going into this discussion I have a strategy because I want to talk about certain things and I don't want to talk about other things and drag down discussions into like uh points that are not what I care to argue about at the moment and Trump showed that he is unable to control his urges unable to control what he wants to discuss and what he wants to and what he would be advantageous for him to discuss I don't think that that would be policy if you you know started listening to the debate about any kind of specific policy prescription I challenge you to bring something up other than uh you know a destructive 10% tariff across the board um and that shows to me a lack of leadership a lack of preparedness for the office of presidency and the other thing that shows a complete to the American people lack of preparation and fitness for the office is his continued lie about the 2020 election this is a man who try to steal the presidential election in 2020 and undo and upend our constitutional process the people saw it once again that he has no respect for the Dignity of this country it's founding principles whatsoever he continues to promote the lie that he won when he lost KLA Harris on the other hand put a dignified performance absolutely obliterated him on multiple policy issues and especially that one the notion that this is a man who's all about himself and will do anything even destroy this country and its Constitution for his own benefit okay so we're gonna start with the debate but like halfway through can you can only debate a debate so much probably going to shift away totally from it I think the debate conversation will probably move us towards policy and like the differences between the candidates anyway but I'm going to start with Andrew because Andrew is the one that disagrees the most so it makes sense to throw it to him first um Andrew would you like to expand it all about why you think Trump might have edged out on the debate yeah well he just had um he had kind of better zingers the thing is is that Harris didn't present any kind of new vision for America it's just a continuation of Biden policies there was nothing extravagant that she said which stood out there was no kind of great reforms that she's promoting there I mean uh even when I looked at her plan I was looking at her plan this morning in preparation for the debate she's not really doing much she's adding 4% to the corporate tax rate um and that's about it I mean there's not really much in the way of deviation she wants the same type of assault weapons ban she wants all the kind of same uh Progressive tripe that we've been hearing about non-stop for years so there's there's just really nothing that makes her stand out there's nothing that makes her exceptional in this race she looks like exactly what she is somebody who was swept in there in order to be the candidate for the Democrat because Joe Biden lost his [ __ ] minds and and Democrats hid that for a well over a year knowing that he was in cognitive decline and would have uh pushed him out there as being completely fit for office even knowing he was in cognitive uh Decline and other Democrats came to the rescue of him and said well it's okay to go ahead and elect this guy who has the mental capacity of an infant because he'll have good staff around him to and he'll be a nice puppet president for the Democrats so I thought that that was [ __ ] but she looks like exactly what she is a hasty replacement where nobody else was available who she was there and so they're using her but there was absolutely nothing which made her stand out I'd love to hear any policy from any of these liberal scumbags on this panel any policy that makes KLA haris stand out they won't be able to name a single one not one so first buyers just so I'm clear in terms of talking about your because you mentioned the concern about distinction right which I would agree with you that she didn't really do too too much in terms of establishing that distinction but it seems like what um I'm sure Hutch and I and especially PCO are going to argue is that there was a distinction there so if you were to be charitable what do you think would be the response of certain things of Distinction were there any points of Distinction in your eyes in the debate distinction between who Trump and kamla I I I got one the moderators to go ahead I was just saying I already went over uh the distinction in performance but when you get to the meat and potatoes of what it actually is Kam looks like exactly what she is somebody who the Democrats turned to in desperation because the candidate that they wanted in there who probably would have easily beaten Trump by their estimation Joe Biden uh is unfit and we KN knew this as soon as the first debate was done that he was in massive cognitive decline and that this was hidden from the American public even though Democrats knew it she looked like exactly what she was just a ringer who was there who the Democrats turned to she didn't look polished like PCO said that's [ __ ] cope she also didn't have any great policy positions that made her stand out there was no great kind of made a CL before you made a claim before that we couldn't identify a single policy that she put forward before that's not what said so so you are you able at this moment what did I say bro what did I say he said that none of the Democrat leftwing people on this panel are going to be able to identify a single policy proposal out no I didn't incorrect you're an idiot your claim your stop talking then yeah yeah so I'll stop talking go to the vud I said you find a single policy position that made her Stand Out peace go about the how about the PCH what would you think about the purchase of or the construction of 3 million new homes that a policy put million new homes oh I really made what great so that's what we have here right so anything that we propose that we think will e either be incremental or be different this is a policy that neither Trump proposed that Biden didn't propose it is a novel policy would you acknowledge that Andrew it's novel no I don't think it's novel Democrats have been talking about the rebuilding of America through infrastructure every single election of my lifetime infrastructure yes their yes of course that's infrastructure is not infrastructure Andrew what are you talking about is everything infrastructure everything that the government is going to build if they're going to build public housing yeah I would consider that to be infrastructure sure would you would you consider the you know the government is just like uh giving checks to people to spend on their uh rent is that infrastructure no that would be uh like uh welfare oh so what's the definition of infrastructure for you why are we being pedantic with this just tell me what what you want PCO get to what you're getting to what you're trying to do is you're trying to put a big label on it and say infrastructure and say well it's just the same kind of infrastructure policy as before because look Biden had an infrastructure policy you know that there's a difference in kind between proposing purchasing homes and purchasing I think stand out yeah yeah not to you because you're gonna yeah the next day was like oh God did you hear common new homes nobody said that peace go nobody gives a [ __ ] about million homes Clearly say people don't care about Clearly say why 3 million Toms matter and then we'll have Andrew just respond clearly instead of talking over each other so clearly the American people have made it um abundantly apparent to everybody that housing prices and the price of housing is a big concern of theirs in fact it's one of the big sources of angst in America and Middle America as well as in other countries Canada UK everyone is going through a cost of living crisis in this country and for Andrew say oh who the [ __ ] cares about houses who the [ __ ] cares about prices and homes show on here he doesn't care and what's more is Andrew sort of builds himself as a person for the family isn't that what you want don't you want permanent homes people to have connections you know happens when the government goes in and they build low-income housing homes as it brings in people with low income brings everybody's housing prices way down peace go that's what ends up happening inome houses bro are you gonna let me finish my turn I just let you talk remember how I did that you're gonna do the same thing for me so here's what happened okay anytime sorry Hutch is are you gonna cry are you gonna cry Hutch you want me to go get you let we let okay we're gonna let Andrew finish [ __ ] time we're gonna let Andrew finish we have other people that want to talk so I do want to get to others I know Turk's been waiting patiently so Andrew finish your point yeah anytime the government decides that they're going to build houses for people uh and get them out there I'm guessing you want to get them in the hands of those who need them the most which are going to be lower income people who probably don't qualify for him under today's market otherwise why would should be [ __ ] building let me finish go let me finish bisco otherwise why would you build him if if people just qualified for him right now and could go get him you wouldn't need to [ __ ] build them so you're G to be building them for the people who don't qualify for them and since that is the case you're going to be building them for people low income low income people are going to come in it's going to drive the pricing of housing down that's all Democrats ever do their scumbags don't give a [ __ ] about anybody except themselves and of course it's not their money what do they care okay was pis point I want to go back to him and then we're going to Turk and Hut I got you it's a dumb assumption for Andrew to say lowi income people are the ones who are primarily going to be doing these purchases it is true that I think that you know with the $25,000 first Hometime buyer um a provision that's included as part of the plan that that might attract some people who would otherwise wouldn't be able to afford homes but the whole point of kamala's entire policy is to drive down hous wait I was right hang on on but that is what people have been asking for is to make it affordable for people to own homes now what I interrupted what Andrew is saying is I don't want housing to become affordable for people I don't want people to be able to purchase homes and I think that policies that are crafted for that aim are stupid I mean then say what you feel and admit that what you you don't wait hang on you don't really care about people having access to affordable housing no cities and yeah yeah anyway yeah peace go man is uh you just made so Turk continue yeah so I got a smart a smart alec answer and then I got a push back on Pisco and then I also wanted to kind of re uh engage PCO on the original claim of the quality of the debate so first thing the government has a really hard time actually defining things because infrastructure can mean a whole bunch of different things but so can inflation and if you went to the and heard the Joe Biden clip where he said that inflation uh the inflation act or whatever should have been called something else about the green energy so that's that point then the second thing is um what do you think happens to the costs of homes when the government artificially gives people money in order to buy homes I think if you increase Supply by three million and encourage firsttime owners it'll I'm not sure about the net inflationary effect or the net uh price effect on that you you know I'm not an economist so I couldn't tell you but you're you're massively increasing Supply and yes you are providing um incentives for certain types of people to get housing so I don't know PE go like I said sorry sorry no income like I said PE go hang on a second so is it is it different in your mind Andrew firsttime home buyers and low income people are those things different yes or no so Andrew's are those things different yes or no Andrew of course there's distinction between the two however however no PCO it doesn't make your point go the thing is is that I can say there's a distinction between the two you're trying to draw in is people can't afford houses right now people who can't afford houses right now are going to be people don't have a lot of [ __ ] money right P go um not NE my question answer my question neily oh no no of course not they have tons of money they have tons of money Andrew that's why they can't afford houses not necessarily as you're aware Andrew as you're aware as you're aware even people who would be considered kind of middle income have been priced out in some in certain places oh yeah they've been priced out where they that's a good point PCO everybody's priced out you can't even go buy food at the grocery store and they're worried about [ __ ] housing prices it's the most outrageous ridiculous [ __ ] I've ever seen we're offering sols problems oh I'm out of I'm not out of listen listen they had a jobs report come back it's 800,000 less if I took it to my stockholders and said hey we're gonna make 800,000 less this year than what was predicted guess what my stock prices would drop it's same thing here they're lying and and then they turn around and go hey we're going to give you this little constellation prize housing which probably won't even solve the problem and secondly it's such a drop in the bucket and doesn't affect any of the real issues it's total [ __ ] [ __ ] and you're over here going so good so goodh rision even with that revision Biden had stronger job numbers than uh Trump did even if you uh take away covid losses and gains because everybody's gonna work three jobs to buy [ __ ] one of milk bro like mil great great AR we devastated the economy three jobs we saved it bro yeah we can't hear yous there's too many people talking at the same time I want to I want to I want to hear what Hutch said clearly I know Turk never got the Finish statement so we will get Turk again but he got half of his statement out and there's a lot of people I want to hear Hutch's Point clearly and we'll have one person respond not three it's a simple point he made a point about how they revised the job numbers down but even if you account for that there were more jobs that were created on Biden's watch even if you get rid of uh uh the job losses during covid and then the bounce back the initial recovery not true you're making a point about jobs it's not true first address that totally true just to just to reference the job anybody who's watching this right now you can look it up yourselves reference the job numbers first the vast majority of the jobs that have been created were jobs that were lost during Co through disastrous policies which I'll agree some Republicans and Trump went along with but certainly we championed more by the Democrats they're now taking credit for jobs that they let people go back to work second full-time jobs are down tremendously and many of these are part-time jobs because due to the Harris Biden economy people have to work multiple part-time jobs now to be able to do things third the net number of jobs from citizens of this country or people born in this country have declined precipitously most of those jobs are going to people that were forign born and so that means most of those people would be ineligible to vote that means when you're considering voting knowing this you and all the people you know that are eligible to vote are actually losing jobs fourth jobs are hardly important if real wages are going down which real wages have been going down precipitously under the Harris bid Administration now to talk about some of the other things that were said here specifically when it comes to sort of housing let me ask you this question Pisco the same people that promised they were going to buy us they were going to buy millions of millions or thousands of thousands of electrical vehicle stations and we spending hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars doing that how many did they end up building I'm not sure about that I don't know how it's told okay another question they also said yeah three right okay and they who's the same people what what do you mean by the same people the Harris Biden Administration and the people that are actually running the show sectionally let me ask you another question when those same people also promised that they were going to spend hundreds of millions of dollars for Rural Broadband how many rural Broadband people have been connected under that policy that spent hundreds of millions of dollars I don't know know off a hand I don't know the answer is zero the answer is zero to that so what what Andre a lot of Appropriations are you denying the Appropriations were were put towards public ends under the bipartisan infrastructure act or that there were great Investments made under the um inflation reduction act are youing that's deflect I think that's deflecting what the central question here the point that Andrew is trying to get to is it's easy to promise oh we're going to spend money that we're just going to create out of thin air to build a product that will benefit people but the problem is that that ends up causing inflation which we can see is already the core problem of the Harris Biden Administration and second they rarely and brings down housing prices Rob remember that how was bringing down how was bringing down housing prices causing inflation I would like to continue my point and and secondly they rarely deliver on the promises that they've given anyway so we end up with massive inflation and the promises that they delivered not coming through now to the more Central Point again you could see from the opening statements from people like iri that were shouting racist talking about the cat story and things like that then you see from peace go talking about threat to democracy January 6 exactly as I said what happened in my opening statement they know that despite the gaslighting that they've done including DEC decrying people that correctly called out the cognitive decline of Joe Biden the American people do not believe the Harris Biden Administration when it comes to the important things such as the economy such as immigration and so they know that they have to deflect from talking about those things at any means possible I'm sorry the American people are not assuaged of their fears that Kamala has been there for three and a/2 years and their real wages have gone down and they can't afford food and they can't afford housing and their border is porous and their cities are being overrun with people that are breaking the law and taking their resources and this Administration has done nothing but exacerbate that but it's all solved because she had 20 seconds of policy positions when she said we're going to give people free money and create houses a lot of they failed this is a shell game this is a shell game what they're doing so Andrew asked for after pis I want to throw CU he hasn't really said much for a specific policy that's why we're FOC come on what's wrong go first I said after pis Andrew so Andrew asked for a specific policy persp we talk about and I offered one and we were focusing on housing because that's where Andrew was taking the conversation he wanted to get into the substance of the topics and now Rob is decrying us and calling foul because we're focusing on that instead of Biden's cognitive decline and you cannot you cannot win and is decrying the fact that we're lowering housing prices and Rob's talking about inflation and and worrying about um prices going up both are true at the same time so in areas where the low income people come in it's going to lower the value of the houses around and it's also going to cause inflation I'm gonna say so yeah I'm G finish what I'm gonna say so it sounds like these are a couple no- win scenarios on the one hand you know we want to talk about policy because that's what Andrew wanted to us to get into but obviously braad wants to talk about underlying deceit and you can't trust Administration so pick what you want to talk about and we can go we can talk about all of it Pisco it's not a one it's not a one or the other it's not a bif forcation we can talk about all of it all of it's a package deal so if you have low-income people coming into the Suburban neighborhoods it's going to necessarily lower the housing prices which are in that area guarantee it happens nonstop okay that is where you get the phenomenon called white flight that's why that happens also on top of that it is going to um increase inflation when you artificially increase the supply by 3 million homes Pisco both are true at the same time Pisco housing suppli is going to increase inflation help me there what's crazy what's crazy sorry where does the money come from I'm throwing it over does the government spend the money pis wait there's a question to Pisco so now Pisco has to respond because you asked a question so Pisco yeah so I understand that government expenditures um can be inflationary in nature no kidding let him finish you if you're going to make a positive claim that there's a strong relationship or a good relation whatever you want to say between the policy proposed by uh Harris then and you have to make it you know like Trump's policy of tariffs a 10% tariff across the board is also impr principal inflationary but don't you have to make a case don't you have to make a showing that it's going to noticeably increase more than the um any kind of countering effects that you know other kinds of I mean that was a nice what about doesn't answer my question or increases in taxes you know I'm not sure that it's going to noticeably increase inflation I'm not sure about that that's your case you have to make right well PCO can we start I have to say Andrew I my feelings are hurt for you to call me a liberal scumbag I thought we were cool I still love you but that's okay that being nice to see you again iri how are you I'm good I'm good I noticed your anti-semitic more remarks you made towards Laura lomer that wasn't very nice IR right well I'm Jewish so it's kind of hard for me to be anti-semitic but okay and his his family you know but I'm happy for your success I you've been doing great so I'm happy for you um as far as the um the jobs go there are 5 million more jobs in America today than February 2020 before the pandemic and you guys said these are because people have three jobs but the thing is we've had a record unemployment rate it's been below 4% or it was below 4% for a record stretch we haven't seen since the 60s we hit record unemployment 3.4% below even what Trump accomplished so I feel like a lot more people in this country are employed and this isn't the case that you guys portray every body's got a part-time job everybody does have a parttime job I like this's crazy it's well that's wrong everybody's got a parttime gig a side gig a side yeah I don't believe your numbers even if you show them to me I know too many people in my everyday life even if it's an doal you could just go ask anybody everybody's got to do two things everybody has because you can go you can go ask 10 random people at HB or Walmart or whever and they all will tell you they're doing two things and there's no way that this sure it's it's every time every time we've already caught you C cooking the books on the job numbers why would I believe you with this 5% [ __ ] clear that y are lying y lied about Biden y lied about Biden y every time y'all say kamal's got a policy half the time is just Trump's policies listen it sounds like you got two Hal of nothing and what I what basically that equals out to is a whole lot of nothing and yall are sitting here just trying to pass off vagaries and nebulous policy and Buzz words like opportunity economy and say we're going to fix it well you know Trump asked a valiant question hey three and a half years y'all ain't done [ __ ] it's only got worse why why has it uh it been fixed since then and nobody's been able to answer that here y'all just keep saying oh who does anybody want to answer that question I I would like to ask what what is your guys's solution for the housing crisis because I know well before before you skip over to the what about can you answer his question why why haven't you fixed everything is that the question question peaceful trans first time we didn't have a transition with the previous administration Donald Trump took a giant dump on the floor on and and set everything up for disaster so they had to do a little bit of cleanup work last Trish got finish gets the Finish let me finish the whole world has been suffering through economic problems this is not an American Centric thing so we've done pretty well compared to the of the world we sure have and and what's more in two year we've only had Congress for two years and those two years there's a ton of bipartisan legislation passed the chips act the infrastructure act the uh you know other kind of weird like you know gun legislation that was bipartisan in nature you had the presidency for 12 the last 16 years Pisco like what do you mean like y had the leader of the Free World and it's dog [ __ ] all the whole time why does this need to turn into a civics lesson you understand that Congress is the one that pass do a Civic lesson you know what executive orders are like yeah I me you act like they don't have any control hang on when we try to do when we try to do major when we try to do when we try to do major executive action for example and you might not agree with underlying policy but uh Biden made a promise with to with student loan and you might say that that's stupid or whatever but when the administration tries to do stuff who are the F first people suing it's Republican Governors Republican individuals they're trying to stop as much as they can the admin don't put anything on Trump's feet if it's all due to Congress bisco if it's all Congress and don't put it on Trump's feet in fact that's not to say the president doesn't have a lot of power they do oh now he has a lot of power 10 seconds ago oh he he's barely anything to do with anything now suddenly has a lot of power and it just lied again I just found a source saying that 54% Americans are doing they're just lying in terms of the economy the presidency can obviously I guess in terms of CH chain of command you have the Federal Reserve there which has a lot of influence on prices that kind of thing but in terms of direct Appropriations and kind of major legislation tax changes that's all coming through Congress the president has some role in and what they can do with the administrative state but that's all things that you guys don't agree with retired from backpedaling Pisco and there's no backpedaling what backed seconds ago the has almost no power Papa that's what you're doing you guys are asking you guys are asking for example why haven't they done the the housing thing in the four years they haven't had Congress I I know you've waiting wait guys please please one second I know rob you want to talk but uh Turk has been waiting and Joe has been waiting very patiently I have you after them I just wanted to make sure I check with them Turk were you still waiting or has the moment passed uh I I can still bring it back to the topic that you brought up Dylan if you'd like me to do that if could I do Joe first because it might be relevant sure yeah Joe yeah and I'm I'm sorry PCO for having to push at you too a little frustration that I do have with the Biden Harris Administration and then by extension now the Harris Administration and Rob brought this out a little bit in his argumentation is that there are still issues within underserved communities that haven't been actualized and promised and something that I wish was clearly articulated in the Harris Administration would be something like to get very sort of specific we saw in New Jersey about a drop in monthly revenue from hospitals across the board anywhere from 30 to 40% and that's a little bit higher in more underserved areas like Camden and Newark and something that my um the person that I voted for for the Senate Larry ham was advocating for was an expansion of the infrastructure Bill to cover things like emergency centers and hospitals which is which is something currently doesn't exist in the infrastructure bill as currently so that's a that's a frustration that I have with the Harris Administration and if we want to get really specific in the ideas ofan in the what did I say what's haris administra in the Biden oh that's s yeah it's really difficult to differentiate the two nowadays isn't it I mean that's not on the beach every day you know that's s the heo there in the Mis be but my concern there is that there are things that could help and I think it is legitimate to question the three million houses plan has if I may if I may jump in because I do have something to add on this specific point so to the points that we're addressed can I finish my can I finish my house thing and then I'll end up playing of golf you Rob is that all right or yeah yeah so like the thing is like we saw for example like in the housing crisis right from for black households about 8% of black households were lost during that from 2008 something that I think could have been really cool to hear and see is an acknowledgement from whether it be the Biden Administration or the Harris campaign articulating that because something that would be cool to have coupled along with that is in those Ser first buyer initiatives and stuff like that to include individuals who lost their home during those foreclosures for people with subprime mortgages that I think would be a very easy rhetorical thing that could move a lot of people in the center a lot of people in the center probably were affected by that statistically which obviously would have an impact of for black voters in particular but also to all voters who were affected by that you know what I'm saying I'm gonna let Rob um I have a response but I let Rob talk I screwed up uh okay to respond to this first I want to go i s I'll get to write to what Joe said there sort of in the spirit of it but notice how in all of this talk about jobs I could talk about the specific job numbers yes unemployment numbers look like they're doing okay that's because it doesn't count people that are no longer trying trying to get work labor force participation is still lower than it was in pre-pandemic levels what happened was a lot of people got so frustrated after the lockdowns and things like that that they never tried to go back to work in addition to increased welfare benefits and PPP loans and other stimulus checks that were sending them many people never went back to work so unemployment numbers look way better than they actually are the real unemployment numbers probably around 7% and none of that matters anyways the fact that you have to work multiple jobs and we count each of those multiple jobs as a job but people still real wage growth is moving the needle since the Harris Biden administration were under trump it was going up by leaps and bound so people know and that's why all the polling shows that people feel they were economically better under the Trump Administration than under the Harris Biden Administration which is why what I said which Pisco deflected from was no one wants to talk about that instead you'll talk about one random policy oh they're going to spend money and build houses that's it and the rest of it will be as you've seen iri try to do here make excuses that in the first term Congressional term when Harris and Biden were there where they controlled the house and had the tiebreak in the Senate they didn't do any of this [ __ ] and what's ir's response to that well that's because Trump didn't have a peaceful transition of power exactly what they're trying to do is cover for Harris which is why she's not out there talking to the American people talking to adversarial press she's hiding just like Biden hid because they can't defend their record and to the extent that they're trying to come up with policies most of it's just cribbing things Republicans and Trump have said to the point where even Joe Lewis correctly points out he's frustrated as a lefty that Harris is actually on stage talking about how she supports gun rights they always become more Republican because they understand that their policies will not get them elected which is why Bernie Sanders said the other day oh in reality what's going on is Harris has to say what she needs to say to get elected exactly that's how bad she is she's a chameleon it's ran by people behind her she's not really doing anything so the question I have for PCO to Pivot off what Joe is saying is one when Harris was there and was basically running the show because Biden had dementia which you and all of the Democrats covered up for because you're Liars that don't care about democracy why did she do any of these policies like create massive amounts of house houses why did the policies that they push through end up leading to massive inflation why did they lie to people over and over again and say actually the economy is great when people were struggling miserably and even if they couldn't have got it done through Congress in the past two years I disagree with that because they basically got everything they wanted in the inflation reduction act which was basically Green New Deal light as Joe Biden admitted the other day and lastly they tried to push through [ __ ] and congression or executive orders that they knew would be overturned like the bailouts of student loans so why didn't they try executive orders to build housing and to reduce inflation the truth is because they didn't give a [ __ ] just like they lie to maybe you'll appreciate this Joe Black Americans every election year for two years they don't give a [ __ ] about Black Americans until it's an election year and then all of a sudden they pretend to give a [ __ ] they don't care about people in ryal America and then all of a sudden they pretend to give a [ __ ] why didn't they do these amazing things none of you have an answer that Democrats were in charge Harris was in charge and she didn't do [ __ ] question that was wait that was an extensive question and I don't just want to throw it to Pistol because I want to other people too but one moment I do also want to say if you want to ask questions to anybody on the panel or the panel itself donate your questions put a message and the highest ones will get R we're Shilling here send that to BPF chat his chat crazy they I'm about to donate and say some crazy questions it's an interesting point to me that you guys are want to pick a fight on policy when it came to the debate what policies did Trump AR during that debate besides are you surprised finish Rob went for a bit I want to hear an extended response are we doing whataboutism nonsense legislation passed Biden got way more legislation passed during his first two years than Trump did the very first thing that Trump tried to do when he was president was repeal and replace Obamacare he failed the next thing he did was the tax cuts that the Republicans had been clamoring to do for decades and then what did he get done after that what were his major signature pieces of legislation you really want to compare the legislative track record between Biden and Trump yeah give me 30 seconds okay give me 30 seconds how angelist because what Camala Harris is running on as being an agent of change what you can't get around is the American people know that economically and security-wise they were better off under a trump Administration than a Harris Administration so what's happening is the Harris Administration is trying to run on where the agents have changed things will be different to why I say then then why if she's been there in charge for 4 years haven't they done any of these things you let me finish you respond with but they actually got a lot of [ __ ] done they actually got to do a lot of what they wanted exactly and the American people are not happy with it so then your counterargument which is well they couldn't get things done that they wanted done but this time they will is [ __ ] as you're admitting they did get a ton legislatively done and America has given it the thumbs down hang on why did we have a historically good midterm why did we expand our majority in the Senate during an economic downturn why did we make one Trump a one-term president the first since George HW bus Bush if your leadership leadership and your issue it's because of social issues has nothing to do with the economy it should have been a bloodbath you guys are saying what you guys are saying is that your policies are not Trum economy got shut down they knew it that it got shut down when they were thriving I just quick thing your mic keeps when you when you talk it like Peaks and it Peaks and it's kind of hard to hear you and just letting you know uh Pisco you wanted to go yeah I want to answer to Rob's cavalca of nonsense earlier and so he started off by he started off by saying he he started off by saying and can we have quiet in the peanut gallery Andrew like I don't know why you feel the need every two second I think like you're scared of when I talk because you only interrupt me I mean is it gonna be a problem they were talking dummy all right right so first of all he starts by the assumption that we are not okay with speaking about the general Economic Policy of Harris and Biden respectively in terms of what their Administration has done we absolutely are willing to talk about it we are talking we were specifically talking about one policy because that's what Andrew asked us he asked us to talk about one policy but you think that we're dodging something we're dodging the the general economic character of what's been going on we do not shy away from the fact that over the course the last years e over the I haven't mentioned the opportunity economy at all we talk have you heard me we're talking about the leadership of the country we're talking about the leadership of this country who's better position to do it and based on the previous I I want to hear the end of piso statement and then you also I have you written down eventually I will bring it back to you so he asked why haven't he done all these things in four years it's an absolutely sound answer that um iri Gabe that first of all we were cleaning up a mess we were in the middle of a covid pandemic and it was a crisis the first thing that the bid Administration did was pass a Recovery Act you could say it's inflationary but but uh you know you look at economic analysis after the fact they don't attribute it uh you know the the inflationary effect of that policy or other policies uh to those specific pieces of legislation in fact it's a global inflation crisis that is facing the entire world and as iri or Hutch I think pointed out America relatively speaking has recovered better than the other G7 countries better than the other advanced economies um we got a [ __ ] ton of legislation passed that specifically relates to the economy whether that's the inflation reduction act the infrastructure act which will absolutely benefit the economy in the future and other pieces of legislation I'm willing to fight and defend this Administration for what it stood for and what it got done you point to the fact that you know there are bad polls Trump had bad polls in his term if we just look to polls to determine or the general trend of the economy in this kind of correlation equals causation analysis I mean that would be a great way to defend like the policies of George Bush and during that right before the Great Recession right you have to look more than just how the economy generally was doing or what people think about it generally and look to the policies themselves and what the likely effects of them as to the line and as to the line point about is there any more time we can give you PCO the last point I'll make the last point I'll make wanted to respond no thinking person thinks that kamla Harris was in charge of the administration for the past three or four years that's Pure Fantasy if you read any of the reports of the Insiders of who's operating things behind the scenes or or whether Joe Biden was in charge in the first few years no one is saying that KLA Harris is running the shell if I may real quick just to respond to that do you care if they take from you it was your you were next it was your back I mean Rob if it's quick I want I want to get in here Rob but Harris herself has said of many of these issues she was the last person in the room and my statement is Harris is just like Biden is an empty suit that people behind the scenes will be running the same people behind the scenes running the Biden economy her Administration will be running hers so the same people that will be in charge under Harris will be in charge there the American people have rejected and the data shows that that economic data is a business you want that's the but people are going right now hang on hang on real quick iri and then I'll turn it right over but right now people are experiencing high gas prices High grocery prices their day-to-day living right expenses have shot through the roof and you're going moving into this election promising them well in the future it'll be better when under trump it already was better so it's easy for people when they're moving into the voting booth in order to for uh Republicans to point this out and that's what people are talking about that's what all the buzz is yeah I mean I know I know I know you want to jump in Gibbs but we had two righties we have to have a leftly respond then I'll throw it back to you Gibbs I'm sorry but there have to be balance I just want to ask my conservative uh panel people like if if everything that you're saying right now that that Biden's presidency has just been This Disaster for everybody why isn't he up 10 points right now Gibbs he was he was dominating against Biden like you know and part of what Kamal is doing why isal now she's not buy I mean here's the thing the Republicans and a lot of like average people are looking at this as like the age old Expression A Bird in Hand is better than two in the bush right they know what they got with Trump they don't know what they're getting with Cala it's a whole lot of nothing you know they we know y'all been lying to us the whole time the jobs report it was lying you literally just lied on this panel and said only 5% of people have side jobs according to market watch as of April 16th 54% 54% of people have side games that's a lot more than 5% Papa I'm sorry you justk watch I can post I got it yeah market watch I got it I got the link if you need it I knew people were going to ask for sources Papa Gibbs came ready secondly if we go back to my notes here you know y'all threw deao coup after y'all told us hey for months years Biden was fine and y'all took Biden down quicker than a [ __ ] on nickel Knight that [ __ ] was stucking out of there so fast I've never seen Dr like a prom dress dropped it like a prom dress and we pressured him out and now our C and it was I'm glad we did it drinking I can't wait wait stop stop guys guys there's three people talking at the same time Gib enti wa wait wait wait wait Gibbs I'll give you 15 more seconds then we'll have Lefty respond and I'm throwing over to Turk because Turk is gonna cry I I can see he's literally on the beach s you're drinking my ties whenever we look at Trump when he left office inflation 1.9% it went up 9% in the first year Biden went up and it's gone skyrocketed since then it's been dog [ __ ] since wa wait why why did it go up around the world then why did inflation go up around the world super responsible for that yeah we're the superow could it be could it have something to do with the world reserved currency being the dollar to do with that you think it's the world Reserve currency that's that's why theing why is it that inflation grew across the world Andrew go ahead bro the re infl of course American policies and American economics are going to affect I just did I just answer not enough good they like so it's not going to count polies can I just ask americ polies which policies I just want to get a clarification policies stop can you you let the mod speak for 10 seconds this ain't the whatever podcast why don't you answer which policy okay wait wait okay let's stop for a second I wanted to Andrew what do you think caused the inflation crisis uh globally and then which policies which policies L to that yeah so I would say that the Federal Reserve uh and the policies that fed has which has inflated the currency artificially and the reason that they did this is because they needed to pump billions of dollars out into the economy for all these social relief programs has caused not only inflation in the United States but has been extended to our neighbors as well especially anybody act into law bro you gonna let me finish who signed the cares act into law you let me finish sign that we got to give Andrew some time to respond quick you let me finish HUD yeah so I would I would say that that was one of the primary reasons and if you say bro stop talking so I can finish my point remember how you were just bitching five seconds ago that I kept cutting you off even when I wasn't cutting you off yeah you're all cutting each other offed wa wait wait wait this is taking too much time than they need to Andrew finish literally did why do you think you saw everybody nodding their head they totally agree with me so on top of this peace go just so you know yeah yeah um yes they they pumped it in now is Donald Trump responsible for some of this policy yes he me do you mean the can we let him finish okay let let him finish again calm down Pisco yes fed policy led to massive inflation yes Pisco because the United States government was pumping billions of dollars artificially in order to take care of this Relief act now you can say that oh that's Trump's fault that was passed by on under by a bipartisan agenda all sorts of people wanted this all sorts of special interest groups wanted this now absent c19 and the lockdowns Trump's economy was [ __ ] roaring and you have only just now successfully pivoted away again from the point that you have not addressed what KLA Harris's policies are going to be to lower gas prices lower food prices lower the inflation rates or any of these you just say well you're going to build three million new homes yay peace go can you answer question Reser when you say when you say the Federal Reserve pumped it up are you saying lowered infl uh interest rates no no peace go what do you mean by the Federal Reserve I'm going to explain then let me explain if you increase the money supply you inflate the money supply right how how do they increase the money supply answer my question first I agree that that right so if the United so if the United States government calls for billions of dollars from the and for the fed to print billions it's going to increase the money supply thus increase inflation this is basic peace go does the Federal Reserve make Appropriations who makes Appropriations that would be uh Congress okay so the Federal Reserve didn't do [ __ ] that you're pointing to what you're pointed to are acts of Congress isn't it not Federal Reserve policy no that's not that's not all that happens as you know do you want me to answer real quick the M2 money supply the M2 M okay the M2 money supply that went up 50% is from the Federal Reserve that means the Federal Reserve increased the amount of dollars in circulation by about 50% since like 2020 is what you're really trying to tell me is not $1 doll of that creation was except what Congress told them they had to do in specific bills is that your argument what I'm saying is the Federal Reserve to increase the money supply typically will lower interest rates that's how fed policy works when you're talking about uh taking out loans the government sells things called bonds these are lowering interest rates incre the money supply peace go and if it increases the money supply it creates inflation peace go you but you didn't point to you [ __ ] idiot I just explained this to you five times you [ __ ] morw you sound really upset right now you did not you did not I literally just explained this you did not point to you did not point to Federal Reserve policy just then what you did I literally you're banging on the table you're banging on the table because I told oh does it increase the money supply does it increase does increase the money supply when they lower the interest rate the Federal Reserve is a central bank you're not going to answer the question right the Federal Reserve is a central bank it is not the one who is really I didn't know that is yeah it sounds like you're having Central Bank I it sounds like you're having some difficulty so I'm gonna explain it you okay so the Federal Federal Reserve the Federal Reserve doesn't like make Appropriations or take out loans the people take loans okay the people who take out loans and the federal government all right so when the Congress writes a law an appropriation by law they will need to fund it and they fund it through the treasury and if the treasury wants to loan money or sorry wants to borrow money they will issue bonds the Federal Reserve affects the money supply in different ways so I'm asking you Federal Reserve policy was causing the inflationary problem so I'm going to tell you again for the 14th time if the FED lowers the interest rates it's G to increase the money supply okay and if PE go my turn PE go peace go my turn peace PE go stop talking peace go it's my turn wait wait I'm going to meet you both I'm going to meet you both I'm going to meet you both I'm going to meet you both I'm going to meet you both okay Andrew you got 20 seconds Fisco you got 20 seconds then everybody else gets a talk because I think everybody here I want my last question I want my last question yeah that's nice okay wait wait wait wait wait wait wait stop stop stop stop stop stop you're still sping peace okay I'm muting you both this is the order this is how it's gonna go Pisco you got 10 seconds to ask a question and 10 seconds to say whatever else you want to say Andrew then you get 10 seconds after and 10 seconds after that if anything else is said that's like oh my God I want to respond to that it'll have to be somebody else it'll just have to be somebody else because Turk wants to talk okay Andrew just said that the F why did you just let him F why you just I was in the middle of my answer you let the guy filb I'm sorry it's chaos you're going to have to work with it work with it work with it work with it Andrew work with it work he's going to he's going to ask a question and then you're going to respond it just said you're going to be able to respond Andrew let me respond you're going to respond after you're going to respond after you're not debating the moderator either deal with the route you got to deal with the order because this is chaos okay you're both dominating there's six other guests I got to think about the audience I got to think about the other people he's going to get 20 seconds then you'll be able to respond you'll be able to talk Andrew and you'll be talking more than everybody else still Pisco go Andrew just pointed to the Federal Reserve policy of lowering interest rates as the cause for Global inflation and he knows now and that's why he's trying to stop me from talking that who was pushing for the Federal Reserve to lower interest rates in the leadup to the election was none other than Donald J Trump that's my statement he can talk Andrew yeah so again you can if you increase the amount of money supply when you lower the corporate tax that's good you want them to borrow tons and tons tons of money you want tons of printing when it's be the influx is going to corporations which are going to expand that's an Roi that's a return on investment you want that under Biden that was this is a totally different situation he uh did exactly the opposite he has been strangling corporations of much needed money so has the entire Administration so what all you're doing PCO you're just shifting the goalpost again I knew exactly what you were going to say I was happy to respond to it before you ever even said it Turk so this Exchange in the debate is a prime example of what happened in the debate that happened the other night people kept going to the Past in Trump's policies and why Trump and orange man are bad instead of actually going and asking the different people on the stage pointed questions about their specific plan going into 2024 Pisco I wanted to talk to you but I don't want to hear your voice or Andrews anymore I want to ask the panel do we feel like we got to learn more about Cala Harris's actual uh preferred policies and some of the details because like Joe mentioned earlier there's a lot of things that wasn't done in the previous administration she wasn't really pressed on some of the the guts of her proposals so it's like do we really feel like both of the candid were questioned adequately about their current proposals going into 2024 yeah yeah nobody answered my question earlier about opportunity economy no one was able to Define that I'm I'm I'm very happy to hear your answer well she defined it with three with different policies like expanding the child tax credit the $25,000 grant for so again my question is not what is the high LEL policy two people talking at once one second I it's Turk's question but there was something there I'm going to let finish and we'll throw it back to Turk you responding to Gibbs yeah the child tax credit which has been a republican like uh policy for I don't know as long as I've been alans block it from being permanent why they blocked it in the Senate from being permanent I strategic I mean like all sorts of [ __ ] Republican policy Democrat policy she just picked it up just like she picked up the no taxs just like she's put Trump's border plan border uh the wall in her ads she has no real plans she just listens to what people that up discussion bull just like yeah it's not answering the question that you asked he didn't answer the question on When Donald Trump was asked about his Healthcare policy he said he had the a concept of a plan wow and you have zero options that's not even true he answered that he used I have ever heard a candidate give on a on a debate misrepresenting you say you have a concept of a plan I can answer that at you guys want to make this policy so that's the sound bite that everyone's running with if you go back 30 seconds a minute to that entire stretch of questioning he goes and says we're not going to replace it unless we can get a bill that is cheaper and it has better coverage than the current plan listen to to the sound bite no I did but it's his job you didn't hear it you listened to the sound bite if I I'm not going to replace it unless there's a more detailed plan it's his job as a candidate to articulate a plan answer your question Gibbs if I may right so to answer that question what he's saying is he has Concepts but in the confines of this as I think we'll all agree not even the best of Debaters can articulate a wellth thought out complicated policy in a platform like this and so what he's giving is a general answer just like Cala Harris constantly gave general answers uh so he said look we're not going to replace what's there unless we have a bill there we have a concept so they have Concepts such as want the free market more involved in things like that if I may I'll finish I'm trying to not interrupt anyone so I don't think I've interrupted anyone so I'm I'm trying to hope I get the same courtesy um what we're talking about specifically with Kamala Harris is this debate was for different things for different people and you may like that or not like it but it is the truth Trump wanted to do things like not come off as unhinged pivot or pin Camala Harris down on what she actually stands for I think that he ultimately lost the debate because he failed to do some of those things so your criticisms of him not putting out policies that really what he needed to do for two reasons one because we could already see what the track record of a trump Administration would be and despite what you people are going to try to say and it's going to be avoided over and over through this debate I challenge I hope we could all agree that the the election should just be a referendum of do you think the economy and the Border was better under Trump or under the Harris Biden Administration uh no matter what you try to say that oh but she's going to do all this new stuff she's been there her people have been there for three and a half years they haven't done any of this that's number one but second he's already put out a bunch of policy plans as well Camala Harris has literally hid from the Press didn't have policies up on her very website until a day before the election and those policies she put up was literally literally the metadata show just copied and pasted from Biden's policy further proving she would just be an extension yeah I I promise just let me finish this one last thing so Camala Harris just because she said two or three things about policy and Trump didn't give a specific policy to your liking as much it still doesn't T answer the effect that Camala Harris has flip-flopped on every major policy description she had in 2020 and the 30 second sound bite that she said we're going to build 3 million homes and give people $25,000 does nothing to rebut that okay so can I ask Trump's solution for the housing crisis is to drill baby drill shut the already shut down border and kick out 20 million migrants B not shut down that is a reason down bring do you do you think okay so what's his plan then okay his first border is not shut down just to get that lie out of the way go ahead Biden's executive order Biden's executive order did shut down the Border when it immigration is going up 62% every state hold on immigration is going up 62% in every state except for Texas where Texas has implemented operation Lone Star this since 2001 and has been dramatically successful despite the treasonous Biden Harrison Administration coming and trying to stop them from uh you know enforcing Texas borders so every success we've had on immigration has been despite the imped impediment of the Biden Harris Administration wait wait wait no I I want to was the one talking so I want to throw back to IR I I want to answer IR question okay I will you I'd love to hear to any of you conservatives tell us what Trump solution is to bring down the cost of housing I ask you do you know what drill baby drill means well we're already SE setting a record for oil production at 13.3 million prec answer question Biden has proven that we can drill more under Biden than Trump so what would Trump do to increase o what happened once we started increasing oil production what what happened when we started increasing oil production under Joe Biden I don't I don't know the inflation rates started to go down the cost of Transit of material the cost of production of material reduced there are several different economic factors that can be eliminated and are addressed by drill baby drill and when Trump says I'm going to do that even more it's going to be even more how can we do more we're setting a record under Biden that we Trump was unable to do Trump gave them the green light and Biden broke the record we're over 13 million barrels per day in a fantasy land that we're going to do more we're there's there are plenty of roal reserves there are plenty of oil reserves we can go to more Federal lands we can unlock more and more offshore drilling there is plenty of oil extracted from our nation he emptied our reserves to flood the market to drive the price down you wait I sorry I I didn't hear I heard like the first three words from Hut and then I heard nothing El so Hut could you finish well he mentioned the oil reserves you guys don't give Biden credit because we he emptied our reserves flooded the market and drove the cost of oil down why real quick one more thing real quick say that when he started producing more oil the cost of inflation went down he started ramping up oil production right away do you guys understand that when that was not right you can look at the graph yes I'm I can link it in the chat right here there's a domestic crude oil a couple of years for Joe Biden to finally start actually increasing oil capacity Across the Nation that's not no it's not true all right then send the link let's let's talk about the link what's stopping inflation was lowering inflation and what what's brought us down to to 2.5 inflation is the Federal ederal Reserve raising interest rates under Joe Biden the Federal Reserve has had excellent policy raising interest rates to lower inflation under Donald Trump throughout his presidency he was asking always to lower interest rates that's the Rob I believe Rob's been waiting Rob you've been waiting right if I remember correctly so I want to I've been waiting I just it's not just inflation isn't just about interest rates lowering interest rates itself it doesn't create additional dollars the problem is the policies that were largely that I am fully throwing all I said that the lowering man peace gotas the money supply1 I don't know what I have to say not e no there not economy 101 I guess I'll have to explain this slowly for Pisco Pisco is your argument that the act of lowering interest rates simultaneously by de facto creates additional dollars yes yeah that is incorrect what happens is there is no connection whatsoever from lowering rates to the creation of dollars those are two separate policies many times what happens is as follows interest rates are lowered which means that people are more likely to borrow money then once people start borrowing money the FED will decide that oh now that there's more money in circulation we need more money therefore they create more dollars so you are fundamentally incorrect In what you're saying the reason that inflation occurred and that dollars were being printed was because Republicans including Trump supported disastrous lockdown policies under Co and you could criticize Trump for that and he should be criticized unfortunately for you all the Democrats and people like Harris and Biden wanted to do it way worse which mean and they continue to do things way worse even once you had a Harris B Administration which stying our economy now the question Economist will tell you that lower interest rates increases the money supply that is a relationship that is welln it doesn't have to do with the physical money that everything else is cope that's not the fact that you don't fundamentally understand how it works and you're saying one necessarily leads to another is different than the answer you gave me that it is the same thing lowering rates is the direct that's true that is true it does lead it does lead to it does lead to more borrowing yes which would will then it lead to more dollars I agree with that but Rob is right that you said that all that just lowering the interest rate by itself does it doesn't they still have to borrow the money Pisco oh my God wait so so are are you suggesting to me that there has ever been a situation in our history where the lowering of interest rates has not he was just correcting you that's all what what's the correction in fact that the correction is Itself by itself it does that doesn't say you stop to borrow the money is what he saying okay justes print does does printing the money increase the money supply yes yes but wait no you still have to hand out the money right you still need to move money to a place to have it in circulation thisan [ __ ] if you more money you have more money whether you hand it out or not because you got blown the hell out and on the other question of Interest you've never blown anybody out Pisco ever in your life oh I just did oh I just did oh I just did everybody everybody I got to say everybody everybody is very wrecked everybody is very pwned and owned in all types of P um everybody in fact including me uh there are people who have been waiting so I do want to throw to them uh I'm sorry to just derail uh I just want Rob to finish up and we'll have we'll have one response and then we got to go to Gibbs and iri who have been waiting patiently okay I there's plenty more to say at inflation just to say that under Biden it was way worse everyone knows it they're trying to fudge the numbers people don't want to talk about it that's why the American people think the economy is better under Trump my friend Hutch though I wanted to get you involved and ask you a question I think you erroneously say that the border is secure now I don't believe that but let's just say hypothetically that's true you think that Biden achieved that by executive order a simple yes no be correct or sufficient his executive order did that after pursuing a bipartisan immigration bill that they negotiated for 5 months with Langford and cin yes okay gotcha my question is why did Biden say the Border was Secure for three years and not issue an executive order if he could have done it all the while there's a difference I think what he's doing is illegal and I I disagree with it and I condemn the Biden Administration for doing an illegal executive action okay so my point is I'll respond quickly go ahead Hutch the the problem with the border is the our Asylum laws you guys understand this right our Asylum laws holy Christ let let them finish first let let them say the problem first anybody can come to our border and if as long as they go through legal means and they meet a certain set of criteria they can apply for Asylum and when they apply for Asylum they are allowed to come to the country sometimes with an ankle monitor sometimes with a burner phone and these this backlogs takes anywhere between 5 to eight years our immigration laws were written in the 60s well before we saw the level of influx that we've seen during recent times if you want to address the problem at the border meaningfully you need a bill through Congress which is why he worked with Republicans Langford is a MAG Republican this is not a rhino he himself and McConnell and Lindsey Graham all admitted and and Trump himself admitted that Trump killed that bill for political reasons I address the I'm sorry Rob I'm sorry Rob but Gibbs Gibbs has been for 30 seconds I'm sorry I'm sorry GI Gibb is saying he doesn't not allowing you GI next he want to do on the same is from the point Gibbs that's cool he thank you don't worry it's fine let's talk the Border first of all let me tell you how dishonest this has be 2016 we Trump posted a bill he wanted to get a bill through Congress it had everything they had in the most recent Bill except it had more the only thing not included was the dreamers this is how [ __ ] the Democrats work they use people like the dreamers and then they don't even put them on the newest Bill and even include them and so they sit here and go oh it's bipartisan etc etc even though the other Bill gave them more judges more of everything they wanted and it gave us the Border W this guy down here Hutch doesn't know what's happening on the border I live near the you know in the bill I do know what's I do know what's in the B you clearly don't know what's in the know point for point on it you're wrong you're absolutely incorrect the bill of 2016 under Trump Char Congress let me tell you you're just wrong let me tell you something there's a reason why operation Lone Star has been uh so wildly successful let me give you some statistics just from The Raid the Eagle Pass Islands we got rid of 10,000 migrants apprehended 52 PBS of fitel 38 PBS of ecstasy 11 PBS of Cain 20 Firearms that's just three little islands in the middle of the Rio Grand you know why this important because the real problem is not the migration the real problem is the cartels who are taking advantage of the migration who are causing problems who are just damaging ranching here in Texas damaging ranching in other states they're destroying American Property they're shipping fit and all here at a wild cost and why didn't we pass the Border bill which the border control support because what you're enabling with what with the Asylum laws and not putting up a wall in deterrence you're enabling more and more sex traff and liberals why do yall want more sex trafficking because that's what we're gonna get until we have a deterrent up to stop how long we're gonna have to okay so that was a who was that directed towards Gib was that directed towards everybody or all of them say don't you want wall why don't support the Border Bill the border patrol made it clear that they didn't think this was let him finish Gib Gibbs you just K him being basically a sex P let him respond but you know this is Congress Congress there needs to be agreements there need to be balanced Democrats Republicans there was a bipartisan border Bill wouldn't you have supported the bill that the border patrol also supported to be passed Admiral Gibbs yes or no no absolutely not it was not you don't agree with the border patrol you you disagree with them that it should have been passed yeah listen listen if you are an agency govern always you're always hold on this really hold on yeah gu I do I don't know this is the but that's not what's really happening is they're sitting here going hey we're dying out here we need more funding they'll take whatever they can get said I'm not hold on hold on hold on here's what's better why didn't y'all support the bipartison bill in 2016 and threw your foot down on the dreamers and then not back the dreamers in absolutely was in 2016 I have to link to the bill if you want it I'll post no no so so so there was going to be there was the concept an idea of a bipartisan bill but but that never got through because Trump is a bad negotiator and he could have gotten one second I want to hear piso's alternative version of events then we'll have Gibbs respond and then we got to go to iri and Turk who've been waiting very patiently so we remember those of us who were around and paying attention we remember the meetings that that Democrats in good faith went toward because we knew Republicans who could have gotten the Border funding on their own because they controlled both the house and the Senate went to Democrats to try to get a deal and good faith the Democrats are saying Hey give us the dreamers that but they were the Republicans put in some poison pills into the into the bill which uh we can talk about which we can which we can talk about but um the Republicans could have passed it by themselves if they wanted to do it but they did not do it because you could not get Unity because Trump's a bad negotiator however again in 2024 when there's a bipartisan deal who's the one who puts it into the ground and kills it not Democrats the the the problem it's Trump again ask again I'll ask again let let's let Pisco finish the question and then we'll throw the Gibbs and then I I'll ask again you have a bill that yes conserves don't think is perfect yes the border patrol hates Biden hates Harris 100% they do but this is a bill they wanted if they were going to have anything because otherwise the option the alternative was nothing and you say they shouldn't have got what they wanted so how come we should trust you on what's best for Border P well it's entailed in your own hang on it's entailed literally in what you just said Pisco you just said border patrol hates him it was this or not nothing right so of course they're going to take whatever's offered that doesn't mean that that's what they actually want the entailment sorry what's the inment the entailment is if you offer if you offer a person GRL okay or nothing and they they stop is that not yes I'm G to give you the entailment I'm gonna give you the entailment so if you offer a person GRL or nothing and then say well they took the GRL that means they wanted GRL that's not true that is not that is not the case they didn't call it gr they did not call itology wait wait there's three people talking at once we we're going to have a response to Andrew and we got to go back to Gibs because he was the person the question was directed towards I understand an inail me to be something that necessarily follows logically it doesn't necessarily follow that they wanted it because that's all that they could have they wanted something different than that that's just all they could get hang on what is the that I'm providing what I'm saying is that they could have picked nothing which is what Trump picked or they could have picked something they picked something so where where's the entailment I'm not seeing the necessary well you're saying that the inference you're you're saying the inference is they wanted they wanted this right no they wanted something different they just would have taken this that's all they let me give you a better analogy that's what's going on GI wa wait throw to Gibbs and then it's gonna be Hutch responding to that yeah let me give you a better analogy what really happened is the border patrol is going oh my God we're dying out here of thirst and Biden whed out his weak old man dick and then pissed on him and they said said oh thank you Jesus I needed the water in my life and there you know thank God that's what they were asking for they needed something and it was better than nothing I mean honestly if I'm dying in the Sahara I'd [ __ ] drink some piss too and I'll tell you why hold on let me finish I know you like to interrupt listen this not the piss go show uh here's the deal it's real simple yeah when we go look at this this build that in 2018 had more of everything you'll ask for the only thing it didn't have the dreamers and why it didn't have the dreamers is he took it to the Republican base the Republican base along the border said [ __ ] that and it didn't Happ hold on hold on hold on hold on this is howest hold on this is it's not a free point this is how dishonest you be because the same bill came around again basically but with less and guess what the the same group of people ried point no no no not the Trump people the PE Trump just knows it was a big enough group of Republicans that sat here on the border and go no we don't want this [ __ ] and guess what the dims didn't even put forth anything about the dreamers so they killed the bill that was better and had more of what they wanted and they just use the dreamers as an excuse total dishonesty because they wanted to ship more people across the na this happened very clear it's very no no it is what happened Ked over hold you killed it over the dreamers where were the dreamers on the new bill let me ask you this it was by Parson why didn't the DI pis Pisco it's a great response but Hut has been waiting very much and I want to throw it over to Hut be clear about sorry we need to be clear about what the border patrol said what they said was the head of the boorder of Patrol said while not perfect the Border Act of 2024 is a step in the right direction and is far better than the current status quo this is why the national board of Patrol Council endorses this bill and hopes hopes for its quick P its quick passage Donald Trump personally intervened called uh conservative senators and threatened them if they were to give Biden a win during an election year what you're saying is that you know better than the border patrol Union which again this is a divided government you're not going to get some Bill that makes Republicans entirely happy and Democrats entirely happy it did put limitations on our Asylum that would have helped it did the first thing they said it's better than the status quo imig excuse me let me just finish to hire more immigration judges it did have more funding to hire more border patrol uh agents and Donald Trump killed the bill so I just don't think you guys have a leg to stand on to saddle this entirely on Biden's watch when he worked with in good faith for months you have the leader of the Senate on the Republican side the bill you had lenford it's not fake news you can look up the quote yourself listen we heard Mig we got people we've got people we've got people we've got people keep talking I get my chance I would like a chance to talk okay but I you have a chance to talk but ir's been waiting Turks been waiting Joe's been waiting there's a lot of people who are in line so I got to get to everyone there's eight people it is what it is a lot of people don't like each other so they're very energetic I'm going to get down the list so I'm I'm just going to go down the list straight up to make sure people have a chance to speak who haven't talked much the show and iri uh I want to throw it to you first then Turk then Joe then we're probably going to get to Rob eventually so yeah I mean the border is shut down courtesy of Biden's executive order it's a temporary fix it'll probably get struck down by the courts eventually as peace goes said it it it's you know but but you can look up yourselves the border crossing numbers are the same as the end of the Trump Administration now that being said I want to go back to my question about what is Trump's plan to make housing more affordable the only thing I've heard is drill baby drill increase the drilling going to bring down inflation if I understood correctly but inflation is already below 3% the lowest it's going to go is like 2% so I'd love to hear more about that from you guys because K has proposed some ideas which you guys poo pooed on but what is Trump offering to bring down my rent so I don't want to run too much defense and I I really I I I love Gibbs sometimes God brings its strongest soldiers for the hardest battles so that's always nice to see um I am kind of concerned however that nobody on the right side talked about some of the housing policies that he proposed I don't agree with him I I would I almost to the EM word there I'm sorry I hope that lovely person kicks rocks with these policies but he did articulate the idea of federal land ement so basically repurposing some of the federal land that's currently not in use like military bases certain um things within the Bureau of Land Management to turn that into housing I don't agree with that it's very and there's very obvious reasons why any liberal who pays attention to the news for 30 seconds can understand why that's a poor policy another one is the idea of restricting in some capacity larger corporations from buying homes and using them for things like rental properties he spoke to that a little bit and then he also as I think Gibbs was trying to articulate and others were trying to articulate some relation with immigration as it relates to construction basically he argues in one way or another that restricting immigration can help reduce housing costs I don't know how exactly that works out but that does tie to a deeper point where it would be interesting if there was a second debate just specifically on how housing especially considering that wasn't mentioned in the previous debate at all Turk oh okay I quick 152 seconds because we got to get down the list yeah so it sounds like privatize federal land kick people out and restrict corporations from certain business practices and I wonder if my conservative friends would agree with those things where is kamla Harris going to get the procurement for her housing where is she going to procure the land for that yeah but that doesn't offering Ines be offering incentives to make it cheaper and for to that's well is that is that what her plan is buildings yeah is it actually specifically goes for like 1,200 square foot homes a specific tax credit for these businesses to incentivize them to build to build to build more homes you spend money and you have public private Partnerships it's not that difficult in terms of what do you think they did for the infrastructure yeah so so hang on private part think what do you think they did you have public private ship you have you know um State offices as well that coordinate where to build stuff I don't it's not something that's like there's three three electric chargers they built for like how many billion was that somebody said it earlier like how many offices did it take to like spend that many billions of dollars cons you want to talk about economics this what's so frustrating the Republicans and normies really and I I go it's crazy to come on these panels and I feel like I'm the only one that talks to anybody outside of uh their house ever you talk to these people and they go man it's really annoying to see that Democrats spent my dollars on things like I don't know 2 million to study uh dying butcher language in Paris franch oh we spent billions of dollars on three electric charging stations under Biden's administration's uh what is it make America [ __ ] again uh bill it's [ __ ] crazy like I'm just sitting here seeing this and y'all are trying to sit here and say this is economic growth because you'll throw money at a problem with no real solution and just expect the regular American real peace go peace go you keep saying this but the amount of EV Chargers on Biden's watch has doubled and they're currently building a thousand new uh Chargers each week where are you getting I don't know where they but the Biden Administration hasn't done anything to address the cost of the EVs and then the worker shortages within that that's always been one of the problems they did a federal rebate for the EVS what do you mean there's a tax $7500 cash rebate for for like an hour and I watch y'all dance I just want to tap dance a little bit and then you can respond there are the point I'm trying to make here is that there's still gaps within these particular policies which is something I mentioned to Pisco like an hour and a half ago at this point concerning housing and maybe him and I will have to have a conversation about this after the stream itself so we can like sort of hash that part out I engage a little bit that no there are gaps I I agree with you Joe there are gaps this was a bill just like the Border bill that was had to go through the process the meat grinder of making legislation it's not going to be perfect and so I can't go on a on a line atem by line atem basis and speak to all the electric Chargers or whatever but I do know chares not to cut you off not to cut you off like you spoke towards the 3 million houses right there's still a problem about land usage and land utilization that's going to be a direct challenge that she has to address I think if she is going to do something like parade the 3 million houses policy she should also articulate to people how am I going to deal with those upfront obstructions if I want to do public private partnership like restrictive zoning laws like just zoning generally like the you know what I'm saying like that that will absolutely have to be worked out I'm not saying it's going to be like okay maybe I I I didn't mean to imply that it was trivial these are things that are going to take time and money and and resources to think about and smart people to craft legislation but like yes I understand that but K's not going to say that on a debate stage and say you know there's zoning issues like it's it's an idea it's a Concrete idea and and the same thing doesn't like apply to Trump Trump's like we're going to deport 20 million people where are the logistics for that where are the concerns about government expenditures uh for that and paying for everyone's court fees and and increasing exponentially the number of immigration judges to process deportation orders okay so I understand that there's going to be Logistics down the road those are going to have to be dealt with but I I think that it's not this Unthinkable hurdle for home purchases okay just have to be the final question Joe because we have two people on the list Turk and Rob okay because look like real talk like one part of me just thinks this way where it's like I I don't really get like when when Republicans were talking about build a wall build a wall build a wall they weren't necessarily arguing the semantics of like well what's the wall going to be made of they just said no [ __ ] you build that wall and we'll figure it out later however something that Camala Harris in this case and even Donald Trump this case if we're talking about the border wall needs to articulate is that what does that look like to to do those things which is why again I'm arguing that there needs to be more debates I think it's the onus of those who are in support of Biden Harris the onus of those in support of trump vancey be like yo no you need to debate more but those debates have to be concentrated that allows Focus for Kamal Harris to pin him on particular policy points that allows Donald Trump to stay focused something that he struggles with in debates already and any Republican who says otherwise is being dishonest so that could be something of a good if those debates moving forward are directly concentrated on those policy gaps that both these parties are representing but why is there this pressure on Kamala to come forward with more details and not Trump I haven't heard you're the first person throwing that question to Turk to Turk as that question is going thank you for allowing me to answer that question so iri I 100% agree I wish we could have focused in the the debate this week on actually drilling into the policies that we're going to be going for in 2025 next year right and this reinforces what Joe is asking it's like I really wish there was more substance to this debate and unfortunately Cala was not really pressed on some of the details on her positions that she said I understand y'all y'all were able to debunk Andrew's point of list one uh policy it's like yes there was three but it's like we want more right then when Trump was asked about policy questions I give y'all the Medicare one but like y'all didn't like that answer so that's on you not on necessar about you agree with this tariff policy 10% on everything coming into the country maybe 20% I I think it worked a little bit there probably good some refinement that could happen and it's probably a good thing that's going to increase prices in the short to medium term but we love to dive into these specifics a bit more in the debate rather than continuing to act on previous policies that he did do we let's talk about the future right we're trying to go forward that's why I think we needed to focus more on the actual policies and just Kamala never got that opportunity and that's why I think in the debate she she did good on the delivery but she didn't do good on the policy and that's why going back to the original query for the debate here tonight I don't think she did really well and to be clear I not pushing back on the idea that Donald Trump should not debate and the onlyus isn't on him either IR right is the OWN is on both of them though because Donald Trump has to stop like being afraid of women or whatever the [ __ ] he's going on about apparently has some fear against women has happened like two debates now which is not I mean it is what it is but it's still like it's the almost on both of them to Artic Trump definitely has character flaws and he could have done a lot better to address the specific questions he shouldn't have caught the bait I I gr we agree a lot of us actually agree at the beginning in our opening statements but again I want to drive this fact it's like we need to know more about the policy and how it's actually impacted talking to these 3 million houses where are these houses really needed they're needed in urban areas right they're needed in these in sub suburbs right where are we going to put them going back to Joe Lewis's Point are we going to start doing imminent domain are we going to go and bike by bulk land out by the airports these are things we need to know and we need to talk about and we need to at least have a discussion about it zoning isn't the major issue like you understand we have a housing shortage because construction an to the the pandemic because of the rising interest rates like they are ready to build if we can incentivize them it's not a matter of land or where they going to do it they'll work that out who's they who's there who are they who are these people ready to build nacho fries you know hang on on the entire universe of public and private stakeholders of so there's an entire Le entire universe question lizard overlords lizard overlords private land owners um State Regulators State Governors the federal Regulators uh the administration itself a lot of people need to coordinate to make this happen we're not saying that doesn't need to happen but they will find a way if their incentives are there Iris absolutely correct you guys are being delusional if you think that the government our government canot invest housing our government absolutely has the capacity housing we got to throw it over to Rob because Rob's been waiting okay thanks uh now I think if we're trying to take this to the debate a little Gibbs Illustrated exactly what the point of Donald Trump is is that he took the bait right so I set this argument up with Hutch I asked Hutch I said if an executive order would be able to solve immigration why didn't Biden do it 3 years ago why instead did he say that the was Secure please Gibbs you've already made yourself fullen up uh why didn't he allow or say that it was a problem the whole time why did he Gaslight America and G Cal gara's Gaslight my orc's Gaslight and say it wasn't a problem and Hutch immediately goes well the better solution would be it's about assylum policy and blah blah blah and he does this song and dance which Gibbs then takes the bait the point that I'm trying to make is how am I taking the bait here whatever I'm quoting real issues and actual because I set up what the ultimate argument would be and I was unable to finish it for 25 minutes because you took it in a different direction taking the B sure so that's not ba bringing real issues because intelligently what Pisco did is very similar to what Cala Harris did is say ah but the real problem is there was a bipartisan bill that Biden wanted that Trump didn't do then we spent 30 minutes talking about that bipartisan bill when what we really saw what Hutch Illustrated was if an executive order would have been able to solve this but Biden refused to do it it proves that they were happy with the direction the Border was going which the American people are against and they're only now trying to talk about it because it's an election issue which gets to the problem of this debate and of with Camala Harris which is she has not had any adversarial press she has been hidden she only gave an 18-minute pre-recorded interview with Dana Bash she didn't have policies up on her website Turk is correct that it's just Fame like statements that she's Now using many of them of which been C copied from the Trump Administration and it gets to the point like I said that Bernie Sanders said she's just saying what she thinks the American people want to hear that's it and Hutch is okay with that Hutch proves it because Hutch is now please let me she's to the to win let me finish please let me I tried to be generous this whole debate and not interrupt people so okay uh so what Hutch proves that point he's saying ah well the Biden Administration could have solved this day one if they wanted with an executive order they could have that's how they did it now that's how they solved it now and my point is but they GID us for three years and said there's no problem at the border 2021 no border problem 2022 no border problem 2023 no border problem 2024 there's a border problem it's Trump's fault oh but now we can solve it with an executive order oh and by the way when we tell you all the [ __ ] that we could have done while we were in office like reduce inflation and build houses and we're going to do all you know child tax credits all this [ __ ] that we could have done now we promise we'll do them just until the election's over and then if they win they'll resend done all of these promises so what I'm telling you is it is clear that if you're listening don't take the bait this debate is about one thing the record of Donald Trump he's had four years of policies that he's instituted he's had adversarial relationships with the press and he's had Town counts or City Halls and Etc where he's talked over in fact he talks too much he's constantly going on places where he's talking about his policies and other things Camala Harris hid and in this debate she said nothing and she has a history of flip-flopping on every major policy position and she did not give any details on how that would change and we could see that her Administration lied to you not just about Biden's cognitive decline but lied to you about the Border could have solved it at any point with an executive order and chose not to until they knew it was an issue for the election now they're pretending to give a [ __ ] as soon as they're elected it'll go right back to the same open border policies I do agree with Rob on one thing I think that we should go after people's records and I think the record that most matters is this former president's attempt to steal the 2020 election which is the area you guys don't want to get into you think that we don't want to talk you guys think you guys think that we don't want to talk about economics we just spent the vast majority of the B talking about economics you don't understand economics want know yeah okay you guys like not know previous polies care people care about this country what people care about in this country is the fact that the former president tried to steal the 2020 election and doesn't give a [ __ ] about our constitution he didn't try to steal that Li okay wait wait wait first how about okay let's do it this way because I I don't like the like first Pisco you'll have a minute to explain how he tried to steal election Gibbs you'll get a minute to respond how he didn't and now why it's a lie okay and Hut I'll write your name down I got to use the bathroom please don't say slur sure yeah Donald Trump lost the 2020 election every oh you're not you don't agree with that Gibbs you don't agree that that Donald Trump fairly lost the 2020 election but I'll I I'll say it again someone someone gave a h I'm not sure about that I'm not or maybe that was joke I'll give you that you know I confused I confused Andrew before too so my apologies for that so he absolutely lost the 2020 election recounts confirm it court cases confirm it investigations by governments confirm it both state and federal and even though he lost the election he tried to remain in office he tried to do through do so through several means including but not limited to using fake electors trying to convince state legislators to resend the their electoral votes and trying to have his crowd pressure um and then ultimately insurrectos of stealing the 2020 election and that is absolutely disqualifying he has promised he has promised to pardon the criminals who attacked police officers in the capital on January 6 and he is nowhere close to competent or fit for that reason by itself even if I were to Grant you which I don't any of the economic policy that you just spoke about the fact that this man tried to upend our constitutional structure is by itself disqualifying and I'm I'm sure you're gonna tell us Gibbs now about why he didn't do that and how he I'm assuming you're gonna say he didn't lose Gibbs notice how he directs it directly to Gibbs because he knows he'll take the bait again talking [ __ ] wait wait wait I do I wait wait let me just quickly say is on it let me just quickly say I'm in on it yes no Gibbs said the thing so I said wait let's let Fisco say it let's let Gibbs say it and I want to have them respond rob you can talk about it after if you if you want to if you think Gibbs doesn't make a good point you can make a good point after Gibbs yeah Rob I see listen I think you're you're talking at Cross purposes Rob one I don't think he uh he said that first he said his speech peaceful uh patriotically it's been pretty well established we're just going going lies you know you know what if I was Trump I'd probably think things were rigged against me too I haven't seen any evidence that it's uh overwhelmingly rigged against him or with whatever but some of the law fair could make me see that if I was Trump now that being said I don't give a [ __ ] about none of that you know what I care about let me tell you what I care about the trees this Behavior by the Biden Administration and Harrison Administration along the border that's problem I have sat here and heard all this [ __ ] Texas when they joined the United States as a country it was on the condition a we're going to sell part of our land get our debts done B the Rio Grand which Texas already fought a second war after the war for independence hold on hold no if you let me finish Tex already fought a second war with Mexico on their own without the US's help to establish the re Grand as our border that was established then after we established the border of the real grand as our border we fought Mexico I don't know if you might have heard of it big thing called the Mexican American yeah the Mexican American War Zachary Taylor got elected president afterwards because he was yeah big thing happened maybe you know and guess what that was fought over mainly because the Rio Grand was the defining point and now what we've set here and seen is the Biden Administration open it up and then try to stop Texas from defending its Sovereign border which it was agreed upon the whole reason we were joining the US protection I haven't s said anything about sueding do you or do you not want them toed yes or no Gibbs do you want them to sued uh no I I mean right now no maybe later who knows I don't know the kind of game they they don't actually believe in America we both got a minute I will say GI I'll give you another 20 seconds because you didn't really address question I mean because because this question is [ __ ] right then this is what I'm saying if we're comparing what's more treasonous I would say everything on the board is much more treasonous than the speech uh that Trump gave where he said peacefully and patriotically and then other people took it to heart and went crazy leave the union Gib I didn't say that did I say that well this is [ __ ] I hold on hold Admiral guess of this [ __ ] let me tell you I'll let me tell you something Pisco here he's a lawyer right he knows about contract law if one party doesn't uphold their obligations guess what the other party has one out of the contract yeah so whenever they don't enforce the Border that's Justice treat you can accuse the Trump it's a warning what Gibs is doing is warning saying if you don't believe if you don't agree with Texas on Border policy we might leave because this is a contract and you because we we signed if you you're defending you're defending secessionist thought and no I'm defending our B you are not you are open up for everybody I just want to say you are literally giving the I'm not even exaggerating the exact why do why do you hate farmers and On the Border you are literally given the exact same argument that the conf gave for why they were allowed to the union that this was a contract wait no yes you are that this was a contct sanctuary cities are also giving the same argument that 20 20 20 seconds and we're moving on this is a dead end okay I just want to finish this that that Gibbs is giving the Confederacy argument which was you're lying you're lying I'm I'm about to explain why I'm about to explain why it's the exact you're explain it correctly the the legal argument of the Confederates was we entered into this Union on condition and once the union resed theone of them were countries please stop look I said 20 30 seconds Pisco 15 seconds I have a timer go yeah once they breach that contract that is the Union by electing Lincoln who was going to stop expansion slavery that they had the right to suceed that was the exact secessionist argument that you just heard from Gibbs Gibbs you have 50 seconds go yeah how many of those states were also their own separate countries before joining the UN there's a reason Texas is the only state that can fly its flag equal the United States flag because we were the Republic of Texas we won our independence independent of the United States without their help so guess what we came in on equal footing part of equal footing bargaining and part of the contract is you're both of sound mind you agree to something the United States is not pulling their into the bargain here with regards the Border you would know that if with the law school and we're actually a lawyer okay Rob you wanted to respond to something earlier yes notice how I said in my opening that what you'll see is the constant deflection from the records of Joe of the Harris Biden Administration and the Trump Administration and how things like the economy and Border were much better under him we got Hutch to admit that actually all it would have taken was an executive order from the Harris Biden Administration to solve everything they instead lied for 3 years and said that the Border was Secure and it was fine there is no answer from anyone on the left by that but Pisco is smart like Kamal Harris was smart in throwing out bait and just like Trump took the bait Gibbs takes the bait so he does exactly what I said he would in the opening State keep talking [ __ ] about GI I have he can do that but know I'm not gonna take it it's just because I have a different argument style than him I'm not going to sit here and argue about in the weeds whenever I have real issues I give a [ __ ] about he's dog the only thing he's dog walking is his fing reputation because he's sitting here he's wrong I'm spitting facts he's over here sad I I don't know I like I'm sorry now I appreciate the interruptions from everyone El finish my point okay we're gonna we're gonna finish with Rob I got your name down interupting it's okay everybody good okay uh so again all that this did was peace go he knew that they had to take the bait because they don't have an answer for the fact that the American people correctly blame the Biden Harris administration because they could have solved this with an executive order right Hutch Hutch was the one that question was directed to so I'll get Hutch's answer I don't need your answer PCO uh we'll see what Hutch says he's the one that said that the executive order solved all this so they intentionally allowed this to occur and what they're doing on the left is just what Harris did was it refused to talk about these things and instead pivot to my democracy M racist I've talked to Pisco as he knows probably 20 plus hours on January 6th it's been litigated adnasium it's all the as people were struggling to buy eggs and milk and afford houses Pisco and Hutch and ir and their ilk were celebrating the January 6 committee celebrating throwing nonviolent prisoners in jail celebrating the terrible treatment of them that's the things that they want to talk about so to the undecided voter out there I employer were your wages going up under Trump could you afford homes could you afford eggs could you afford groceries border more secure was were we on the verge of World War II the answer is all of those things were better and peace go and Company don't give a [ __ ] they're fine with that because they just want to use laware to go after their opponents and scream racism and mud democracy just like they did in 2016 saying Trump would be a racist and a threat to democracy same tired argument we also had the largest protest in our nation's history When Donald Trump was President the largest amount of civil unrest do we really want to go back to that because I it was all whipped up by communist also lost 1.1 million people to a pandemic I bet you if Hillary Clinton was President wouldn't have lost anywhere near as many of those people what my turn my turn Gib hang on let me let me question Andrew Hut than Andrew Hut just wait rais his hand a bit ago then Andrew this is I kind I kind of want to take a different tax so let them finish this up and I I want to ask a different question Andre no yeah answer Rob's question Hutch don't run answer his question no you didn't answer [ __ ] answer his question it cuts both ways if Donald Trump what was able to do border wall by appropriating defense funds why didn't he do it the first year if it was such an emergency it's what it's what about is done through Congress right excuse me excuse me I'll answer the question what about ISM one so you refused to answer the question said what about Trump yes it is you're the one that tried to get he wanted a bill from Congress and Trump killed the bill and he didn't exe that's not true what in 2021 did Trump kill the bill in 2022 did Trump kill the bill in 2023 did Trump kill the Trump build the wall in 2017 because he was styed by he could have done it himself question you asked a question and I'll answer if you don't I hear I want to hear Rob's response I can't hear I will answer trouble right now I'm not in trouble iri please someone who claimed that they wanted to stay in their bubble not debate me you should keep your own advice uh the reason is right because you're the person that said that a simple executive order was able to secure the border the fact is the Border was much more secure largely because of the executive orders of Donald Trump when he was there I never said Trump could build a wall by executive order you're the person who said that an executive order quote secured the border right now you can't answer for the fact that if that's all it took listen again you did not answer and I'll repeat it why did Biden lie for three years and say the Border was Secure when all he had to do was pass an executive order why did he millions millions wait we're the question was directed towards H so I want to have HUD respond then we're going to go to Pisco because Andrew is your thing yeah it was gonna be Hut Andrew Pisco I've answered the question I'm happy to answer it again a more meaningful way to address the Border issue is through Congress he tried to get that done when Trump killed that bill he used an executive order that's a lie what congress bill was he pushing in 2021 it's on his website he has which which bill was he pushing in 2021 or in 2022 or in 2023 he did immigration bill as far as I understand in 2021 I'm not familiar with the specifics you've only cited one bill that you said was bipartisan so if he did something that was totally different that wasn't this bipartisan bill that didn't have support of Republicans it wasn't just that he could have solved it with a bill he was literally gaslighting the country so was Camala Harris that there wasn't a border crisis so was myor I think there was ever a point where they were saying that it wasn't a crisis myor was testifying in front of Congress saying that our system is stretched Beyond its capacity our current infrastructure along our border was never meant to deal with this level of influx I tried to explain it to you guys before the issue is our Asylum laws it's not people like crossing the border illegally it's our Asylum uh infrastructure being overwhelmed by tens of thousands of people coming from Central South America and Mexico he tried to pass a bill meaningfully addressing that and Trump killed it and so he didn't ex didn't Camala go down there to address the root causes of the issue and just fail Mis just like what she went to go negotiate with Putin and Zi three days later they rolled in t clearly clearly she's really bad at negotiations foreign policy listen you're talking about the northern triangle she uh was in charge of a diplomatic mission to help address the root causes from countries no guess what happened when she started doing that migration went down from those countries every year we announced a massive Aid package to Guatemala that Trump cancelled on his watch if you really want to address uh migration how wait how did he cancel it on his watch if she was the thear under Biden how does that make sense did he like somehow somehow like take over for Biden and cancel the he was President he cancelled uh foreign aid package that we were giving to Guatemala at the time and guess what the [ __ ] happened migration increase from that country why are they getting our money anyway what do you want to it's a way to address the issue if you want to reduce migration you can help them have better domestic situations so there build a wall that works more economic you're okay I'm glad you brought up the wall he claims that he built hundreds of new miles of wall then why did we have this massive influx did it help because the bidens have been tearing it down no if I may if I may if I may if I may to address specifically the lie or maybe just the misunderstanding that Hutch just said no one was saying the Biden Administration wasn't saying the Border wasn't secure in 2019 the Border was called a manufacturer crisis by Pelosi in 2021 my orcus said the border is secure it is not open in 2021 he Biden said there wasn't a crisis at the border they're handling it in April 2021 saki said the term crisis referring to the situation of the border is incorrect it's more of a challenge and September 2022 finish one more in September 2022 I've been generous in not interrupting you I think you've agreed to that so when I'm reading statements that are fact show that you're factually incorrect please listen and then you could respond uh in September of 2022 vice president Kamal Harris with Chuck Todd said the border is secure but we do have to manage a broken immigration system so they constantly downplayed what was going on at the border saying the Border was Secure you said that none of them said the Border was Secure that there was a crisis that was during title 42 that was during you want quotes from 2023 hang on a second so just to be clear everything you just said was during a time in which there were millions of Expo of of not expulsions but you just administratively pushing them out under title 42 you acknowledge that at least right but even still there were things like that occurring at the time but the numbers that were coming in at that time were still record numbers so at the time these stat had record numbers under his ad not even close not even close to the numbers we 2019 it was the highest level since Obama he had it above Obama yeah okay so so then I'm you're saying emergency powers during I just want to be clear I just want to be clear before I look up the data then I'll be quiet and I'll look it up and present it to you but what you all are saying is that the 2019 numbers of illegal immigrants or and undocumented encounters were very similar to 2022 that it wasn't 2022 that's what I thought that's the claim so you saying wait wait wait wait the question there was a question asked I do want to make sure I can hear the rest of the answer yeah so so none of us are you said that there were record numbers the number of immigration in the in the late period has been increasing they increased massively under Donald Trump it is the if you look at the slope even if you guys are sometimes it's good to keep an eye on what the gers are doing what Nick fent is doing he he excoriates Donald Trump for this because the record and the number absolutely did Spike under Donald Trump uh at various points in the administration they went down in 2020 when they started doing the title 42 administrative which is out because of co uh absolutely that is true but Biden continued that policy until a certain time time and then the the crisis you know emerged and it was really really really bad and so I and I agree it was the crisis people New York you can even say that some messaging around this has been really really bad what you cannot say though is that that Biden did not present a bill in 2021 a comprehensive immigration plan he did on day one he had a hundreds of Page Long bill that addressed border security addressed the broken immigration system so that absolutely is true and the question about why didn't he do this executive action sooner I think what Biden is doing is illegal I disagree with him doing that I think this unconstitutional solved the problem according so you're think it solved the problem according to what I'm saying is what you've talked about here what you've talked about of things spiking under Donald Trump is a red herring because it is unresponsive to what I'm saying what I'm saying is there was clearly a crisis as the numbers show that we were hitting record highs in 2022 and the message we were getting from the Biden Administration including Camala Harris was there is not a crisis at the border the thrust of their message since 2021 2022 and 2023 is the Border problems being massively blown out of proportion by Republicans crisis please yeah Trump said so Trump said there was a crisis going back in 2016 and the numbers have exploded since then Trump was doing everything he could Trump had a two-pronged approach one he was trying to get bills passed that were the government was being shut down in one of the longest government shutdowns in history because Democrats said WS please it was it was Democrats that shut it down they were controlling con I said that de I said that AB a wall and then he folded so that's his shut I'm saying they shut Downs were racist they shut down the government saying that walls are racist and now it's part of Camala Harris's plan to build a racist wall you guys didn't answer my question about the wall either I mean he claims that he claims that he built hundreds of miles of new wall he didn't it was 52 miles let's just take him at his word let's just take him at his word uh he I mean he certainly um renovated a lot of wall said that this he said that this would like fix the issue and then we saw record spikes so to our Point can I talk for 30 seconds here injur that's a clever deflection again trying to take the bait no we're not trying to take the bait again notice how Hutch is once more deflecting from the fact that we saw crisis numbers in 2021 2022 2023 and the bid Administration was constantly saying it wasn't a crisis they're only pretending to give a [ __ ] now because it's an election year testifying in front of Congress saying we need more help we need a bill from Congress ly let you talk when you're talking I don't interrupt you so if you could do me the same courtesy I would appreciate that they're bringing this during an election year because they're pretending to give a [ __ ] about it and just like they pretended to give a [ __ ] for three years and if they win they'll stop giving a [ __ ] and all of a sudden we'll see them flying in illegal immigrants like they're doing with Asian migrants this is purely about the record of Donald Trump versus the record of the Harris Biden Administration when it comes to the border and the economy Trump crushes them in all instances Andrew yeah so I was just wondering iri said that the nation under Trump suffered from some of the most widespread protests which were out there however iri are you willing to acknowledge that Democrats allow their own cities to get burned down uh created Chaz Chop on top of that that BLM was headed by uh Patrice cullers who was a avowed communist Marxist at the head of this and that this had all of the markings of what is called a color Revolution are you willing to disavow the Marxist leadership of black lives matter who was at the Forefront of those riots and Democrats worked right alongside with them are you willing to do that well I'm not familiar with any cities that got burnt to the ground I think a building or a couple buildings got burn hang on hang on hang on Gibbs Gibbs let him let him let him answer to the Communist charge are you willing to disavow the Communists who are in charge of black Liv matter communist I'm not a common liberal I don't like weirdos they're screw balls I don't care for those people but it all happened while Trump was president can we admit that that Democrats worked with Communists in order to try to hurt the Trump Administration invoke the Insurrection act then Andrew you condemn him for not invoking the Insurrection act yester no he allowed states to individually deal with these problems M was that a mistake no no I don't think that it was a mistakey let IR talk and then and I and stop talking dude if you cut me off every five seconds I can't even make my point so anyway back to this uh iri you will admit won't you that the head of black lives matter the leadership of black lives matter were a vowed Marxist correct how does who knows that I yeah because we know who they are Patrice know wait wait the question the question was question the question was to IR I want to hear respon yeah let me let me just say there is no like centralized leadership of BLM that was sending out marching orders Across the Nation BLM had its own little thing in each little city now I understand there were some people at the top of some sort of like National Organization that were some [ __ ] I don't disagree with you on that I don't care and that Democrats Democrats specifically were allowing this type of violence to happen in their streets all over the United States and they would do it on purpose they would give standown orders to their own police departments to the point hang on iri to the point where it was the first influx of gun ownership that we saw where Democrat it started actually move the goalpost for Democrats Democrats started going and buying guns in mass in order to defend themselves from these very lunatics later one acquitted one Kyle writtenhouse of self-defense who I remember on your show you tried to verbally crucify irrelevant to the point irrelevant to the point why did Trump praise Tim wall let iri speak peace go it's between me and him you've talked plenty I don't want to get into a big BLM thing my whole point is that it happened while Donald Trump was president do you admit that that's the point what do you think Democrats allowed it to happen Democrats these are localized issues by your own admission you claim these are all localized issues that this why do you keep talking when we're in the middle of having this argument so if you claim that these are all localized issues right oh BLM didn't have any Grand leadership who was coordinating any of this so it's all localized and it's up to these local Governors local uh politicians to deal with these uh you know kind of riots which are going on in their streets and how did they deal with them iri didn't they just kind of let them do whatever the [ __ ] they want damag property Millions upon millions of dollars in property basically nobody got arrested for any of this and you tried to verbally crucify Written House who stop stop talking man let me make my point no there were I'll throw it to you after I promise promise I'll to I literally let you get in uh didn't interrupt you once I didn't interrupt you once didn't interrupt you once iri can you tell me if Kyle writtenhouse deserved to be aquitted didn't he deserve to be acquitted didn't he I I did not see the evidence I wasn't on the jury so I didn't get to see all the evidence so that's not a call for me to make I respect the jury's decision okay that's it but you won't disavow the Marxist leadership either I thought he just H I don't know who the fact that you don't know who's in charge of ccle jerk commun Andrew is okay liberals will shake hands ccle jerk against communism don't worry about it I just want to make it clear I think it's convenient he suddenly doesn't know you suddenly don't know who who the head of BLM is he just acked know name the head of BLM is yeah how do you not know how do you not know who Patrice cers is how do you not household names would know because you followed because I watched your program and you followed these BLM riots that's why I would think you would know I went to BLM protest yeah exactly yes and yet for some reason some reason it escapes you that Patrice cers was a [ __ ] communist who would and that these Governors these localized Governors when you say oh this is Trump's fault Trump didn't have anything to do with the BLM riots the local Democrats were allowing these to happen with agitators like you you were an agitator who went and assisted because you went and assisted in the agitation of these local protests you didn't give a [ __ ] about property damage I I got shot with this little foam bullet man yeah cuz you were an agitator you were an agitator that's why Trump was an agitator on January 6 right Andrew we're talk okay that's what about is I just want to be I just I just want to make sure I'll answer I do I do want's talking everybody everybody everybody I want I've offered mes with you I want to give you have yeah I have a huge platform you're loser okay they're both muted both Pisco and Andrew muted bringing everyone peace and joy because you know we're going to put them both Vol muted in the middle of my argument because because I was telling you both I was telling you both we got to give uh I time to respond to your question I muted you both I muted you both because I was trying to give I a chance to resp us as [ __ ] go ahead IR let let us Andre don't be such a baby about it how about that okay dude stop bitching dude you know you what do you mean you're bitching oh I'm being prosecuted oh oh my God a b almost no conservatives but you [ __ ] you're the only conservative that comes on in [ __ ] you're the only one down syndrome Down syndrome Down syndrome okay Down syndrome fantastic you are an actual child you want to respond to the big crying baby about why he's big and crying and a baby all right all right were you an agitator let's get back to the debate let's get back to the debate II were you an agitator I was not an agitator I was there filming content and supporting my local community but I just want to say Andrew I'm a liberal I think Communists and leftists are cringe man and they hate me and they wish death upon me so they look at me as the same as you so we are holding hands on that trust me well I think we need to have another conversation about this iri we had one before and it was pretty good but no I watched some of your content it looked like you were participating in the agitation along with BLM doing everything that you could to push your kind of I do you when you were there you were doing everything that you could to profile this as some type of inequality is responsible for this yes I watched Min you're a [ __ ] you don't ask if I was in his chat handle ask IR if I was not in his chat multiple times was I not in your chat yeah yeah I'm gonna let you I'm gonna let you respond IR right but was I not in your chat multiple times you even talked to me while I was in your chat I this is four years ago so I don't recall to but but that's what happened Pisco I was there I actually do follow leftist content why don't you point to a specific of agitation you just said he said things but you can't point to a specific yeah I was getting into it but you just interrupt me why don't you go into it yeah they're trying to go into it crazy doesn't seem like it sounds like you're making fun of people with disabilities that's what it seems like no no just Dylan Burns Andrew you're a [ __ ] you've always been a [ __ ] and the only thing that's going to change is one day you might have more [ __ ] kids okay now let's continue you don't have any kids cuz you're gay I'm B my God I don't know what this has to do with anything I C you a cun you're like you're you are a child my friend fantastica anyway you don't know anything about iri if you're accusing him of being a radical leftist you don't seem to make a distinction between liberals and Communists you just think you think we're all like literal [ __ ] communist you're all Communists yesly you're mad about the interest rate so you pouted for half an hour didn't say anything interest this is completely detated we're going to go down we're going to go down the list there's two more names then we're going to wrap up ask the questions people donated for and wrap this up we're going to throw it over to Pisco then Gibbs then we're going to do final statements and then we're going to read the donations and you can all get out of here the attack doesn't really work from Andrew because Trump presided over BLM if you have a problem with how Governors were doing it then you necessarily have a problem with Trump not invoking the Insurrection act and praising many of the governors who you say are respons responsible for this you know you want to talk about you know Minnesota which where I'm sure you you guys are pointing to the things that burned down why did Trump praise it you know Trump is in charge he's the person who can absolutely mobilize the um the National Guard if he wanted to and just like in January 6 and so the attack doesn't really work because as iri pointed out to you to the extent that you see a government fault there Trump is absolutely responsible for coordinating it and if it is as large and as bad and as Society destroying as you say it is you can't possibly say that it's a local issue and it just should be held locally what you really think is this was crumbling our society and so the attack is is not it doesn't work and of course it doesn't work in light of your um you know kind of downplay of January 6 as well as other issues and I really think that your behavior tonight Andrew has been despicable you've like been cry man stop whining all you do is wh and then you go you go after the moderator just like Trump did sck offens are doing and you're you're calling him like you know a degenerate because my God I'll clut your pearls harder just like you went after women at the start of your convers so mean it's all so mean Andrew so mean all hate it's all hate it's all ugly it's all hate and frankly it's weakness cuz you know you're losing all these points and that's why you say in order for me to bait you have to pay you money cuz you're a scared little ratco is Happy to think the personal of the rules section has just been disregarded in its entirety this episode we're going to throw it over to Gibbs yeah I mean uh you know because I'm the uh you know Paragon of not making personal tax that's what I'm known for you know um you know sorry I could resist yeah so I I I got object to a couple of these things I feel like we'll start with a sveral attack to start with hey you know I feel like a lot of people including one of the people on my own side might need to get one one of these tampons that Tim Walls is talking about before we can begin because they don't know stats it's pretty clear just look at a grab Greg Abbott we can go to the stats with uh from tex.gov uh 85% decrease immigration here in Texas is Project lonar we've seen all sort of stuff I can go by line by line stats 56,000 legal immigrants have apprehended 45,000 criminal arrest 35,000 felony charges we've have apprehended over 500 million uh lethal doses of fentanyl enough to kill every man woman and child in the United States just from doing this so clearly it's not just an immigration issue whenever people keep talking about the immigration issue and this is part of the reason why Camala failed so bad is because Hey listen it's an infrastructure issue Texas is on the brunt of this these other states are on the brunt there's no infrastructure being built whether that's whatever been done like whatever and then no one cared about this issue this is how dishonest dims are no one cared about this issue until uh Abbot started shipping people to New York and Chicago and all of a sudden the Democrat constituents got up in arms and go hey maybe we should fix the Border we should build a wall around Texas and stop letting um them ship immigrants to Chicago there's actually videos of this I can pull them up if we go one two later I know someone's going to try to say Source don't worry I have them I know that's how they do here and so finally on that note it's pretty clear after they lied about the Border they lied about Biden's competency which oh God they coed him he's on they took him out back and shot him like a dog the guy's literally on a beach it's crazy and y'all are sitting here going oh whatever whatever it didn't happen G was taking debate it's clearly after 12 16 years where the Democrats have control the president it's not Trump's fault for the little time where he tried to fix the goddamn catastrophe that is the economy goddamn catastrophe is foreign policy I mean look under Trump Russia didn't invade under Biden Russia invaded is this your ending statement or was this like a no no this is just all these things that they've lied about interally and yeah well it's not in I got more don't worry I'm just saying all these people been lying completely the whole time and then they want to sit here and talk about oh personal tax good faith bad faith whatever maybe just stop lying and admit that everything's been bad since the start with Biden and nothing's got better statistically true okay we're now gonna we're going to do out a few questions uh then we're going to wrap it up let me just go down the list of questions that people donated for this is one for Andrew uh no that's just a joke half of them are jokes actually we're just going to go past the jokes I assume you guys don't want those no that's an insult that's an insult that's an insult unless they're funny we'll hear right most of them are not funny most of them are okay most of them are just angry okay here's one fokes uh uh for Pisco why do you think Harris's policy recreating the mark condition that ultimately led to the housing bubble crash of 2008 will result in anything other than having another M market crash Beyond 2025 from a 3 yeah I don't think that it is recreating the markting conditions of um the the Great Recession cuz you're the the the point is to lower the price of homes and the the problem with the bubble was um on the one hand these kind of new financial instruments deregulation of um housing and lowering standards for who's allowed to get a home and so this would not kind of invoke those things I don't know that it would um cause a kind of bubble like we saw in the Great Recession in fact I think this would the attempt would be to lower the price of of homes and to give people the financial ability to reasonably buy and purchase a home not to like go above their means and I don't think this would affect the kind of mortgage back back security industry it wouldn't affect the kind of corruption that we were seeing in the the credit rating agencies or any of the kind of uh you know [ __ ] from Fanny May and Freddy Mack and so I I don't think it's on all fours with what was happening in the um the housing crisis uh which I think is completely different if I may if I can respond are we allowed to respond Bond I think that I I actually think that's wrong I don't think you have good reason to say that take aside the plan to who knows what the particulars are to build 3 million houses how long it would take etc etc all of these plans to give money to first-time borrowers Etc what that's going to do is drive up the cost of these homes uh because once these Banks realize that own these homes hey we could just charge 25,000 more that's what they're going to do and it's going to incentivize lenders to give money because now they'll be artificially able to have the down payment on these homes to people that other wi wouldn't qualify for mortgages which means that it's more likely that we're going to have a collapse that they won't be able to pay these mortgages which is the exact sort of things that led to the 2008 crisis in addition to that it'll have the net effect of making these Banks more land owners because what will happen will be people will be able to purchase these homes and get mortgages and then once they default on the mortgages it will become the property of the bank which means it will consolidate home ownership in the hands of the wealthy even more which will have the net effect in the long run of meaning that the people that are on the lower and middle income scale that elsewise would be able to qualify legitimately for these mortgages won't be able to do so also one little pet peeve I have is uh like a little rude hunch to talk to your audience while someone else is talking just a little pet peeve you should I leave my audience here what you're saying when I talk just saying I'm not trying to beud doing it I'm not trying to be disrespectful the whole time Andrew's audience knows what I think so I didn't see him doing it that's fine that's my response okay we got some more questions um this one is simple can each person give their best prescri prescribed policy for their preferred candidate and I'm going to start with Gibbs just make it quick five seconds just say a policy Gib yeah sure uh I want uh wall and immigration reform I want it easier for people to come and I want security at the border where we funnel people in through uh legal uh ports could have just said wall that would have been even more B it's immigration reform is important too like you got you can't have one without the other like that's that's something I think people people bash like Republicans like if you're near the border you need we know we need reform we want people that okay I know well I was just clarify 5 seconds for everybody Andrew that's all uh all progressives in prison okay uh Hutch Aid uh family and sick Leaf all right $6,000 child tax credit I think that would help a lot Joe weapons embargo 100% towards Israel uh that's for Jill Stein isn't it yes yeah I thought so okay uh uh my favorite is the personal I don't think it's the best for the ne for the country but my personal is the Supreme Court reform okay Rob uh firing everyone who's engaged in law fair got and Turk abolish uh the NFA got you uh for Andrew what what do you fear more giving a definition of insurrection or letting Pisco talk without sping the [ __ ] out you mean Pisco interrupt the entire panel the entire night regardless of who was talking and not only that it that was not my burden in that debate uh unfortunately many many people reviewed that and Destiny got [ __ ] wrecked just like Pisco would neither one of these idiots have any clue what they're talking about anytime they're pressed on any issues all they do is deflect and do what about isms they're not Debaters they're morons okay can you explain to me just real quick can I just ask him a question did you put you can't ask a question yeah I mean you have to put $20 Super Chat okay yeah actually that's right you have to give $20 Super Chat $20 Super you have to PayPal me $20 H use your video game money send supero donation section yeah you did really op marketing stuff dude come on we'll go towards the end Hut I'll let you go first so you can ask him a question in your uh any statement that okay no that's all right let's just get past him mean he just attack me some more can I can I have 20 seconds to respond to what he just said okay but then we got to move on okay okay the only point might be able to respond and we'll go on for you heard Andrew say to Tom Foolery I have a secret definition of insurrection but I'm not going to reveal it until I have my next opponent on the definition of insurrection it's just more Gaines with him it's more absolute like little ways to try to get an edge whether it's yelling over people or calling people gay or calling people like um Down syndrome it's all [ __ ] it's part of the narrative he's an idiot himself well the reason that these people are allergic to to logic they don't seem to understand when the burden of proof is on them even if I had a set of beliefs never have to reveal what those beliefs were to do an internal critique on your position of what is true or if x ought to be true they don't understand this because they're [ __ ] stupid all of them [ __ ] stupid I've blown everybody on this panel out before IAI Hutch all of them Hutch was gonna cry he look like he was gonna cry well you're you're less stupid than most of I was Bing but you look like you were going to cry Hutch but anyway there's my 20 you look like you're going to C okay let's reel it up uh that'll be it we're going to do ending statements now go around everybody shout out your channels and give your last thoughts and the discussion uh do not ask a question to somebody that has already you know passed you you can ask a question to somebody who's going to answer after you but obviously they can't respond so we're going to start with uh let's start with Turk yeah so uh I was prepared for a different prompt and I tried to answer the prompt given today and then we completely uh got off the rails talking about stuff that clearly was evident with the actual debate that happened this week uh and everyone kind of failed for the Trap I think Rob I think did the best trying to stay on the topic here yeah so tip to Rob there uh I really again I think Kamala delivered the best uh I during the debate I could actually I was like man this is not going well and that it just shows just how bad Trump performed in the debate but again it's like like when it comes to policy people see through some of the stuff that was said on kamala's side just because there wasn't a lot of substance there I really wish there could have been more substance but the moderators were just not having it they wanted to vet through Trump's previous errors and all of his bad bugaboos which you know we've talked about for the past four year eight years actually we talked about it while he was in office and we did the same thing tonight so I think I should just go play Diablo 4 some more amen what build are you running uh this is a uh barrage Rogue or yeah okay now we're going to throw it over to Gibbs sorry about that all right yeah so yeah in closing I think the age old expression of quickness is quickest does about sums up what we need to do quicker we can get uh Kamala and Biden out of there the better uh you know everyone made fun of trump during the debate since we talked about the debate a lot which like I said wasn't the top I prepared for but we ready um you know he he made he made fun light of the issue the taxpayers have with Kamala saying hey we're GNA advocate for transgender surgeries for illegal immigrants in prison you know and I thought that was so outlandish and I googled it turns out she gave a whole speech to uh the ACLU where she advocated for this in quite a bit of detail well I know we didn't cover that I wish we had I have all the quotes and stats ready I guess it was a trap that uh didn't get laid and I didn't get the bite on like Rob would like to describe for me but you know I was ready for this trap either way it's terrible the economy is terrible foreign policy is terrible you listen if you think that it's going to be positioned to be better under Camala brother let me tell you you got three uh brain cells and one of them just died gas for air because you forgot how to breathe it's terrible I can't I I don't know how anybody can be in favor of voting for Kamala right now with everything so blatantly obviously bad the Border economy foreign policy it's a wash Cala has no answers her answers are vague Trump does have answers you can look them up you know what I keep hearing is buzzwords opportunity econ vote Trump don't V Kamala you can find me everywhere as Admiral Gibbs we do gaming and politics and a lot of General [ __ ] good timesco kamla blew Trump the hell out of that debate it's obvious everyone's saying it even the conservatives on this debate are saying it all of the punditry is saying it practically and they're coping because their daddy can't handle any possible uh loss or him you know perceiving to be on the down swing at all um in terms of the two candidates themselves there couldn't be possibly a greater contrast both in substance and in character in substance K's har K Harris's policies are way better in every possible way an actual plan to address the immigration crisis um the housing proposal that she's putting forth the child tax credits that she's putting forth her changes to the Affordable Care Act and making Healthcare work better for everyday Americans um to say nothing of the other kind of issues that um maybe are less in in front of your face but are are just as significant the supreme Supreme Court reform which are badly needed uh among other changes as well but this really should be an election about character who do you trust to be the commander-in-chief who do you trust to to to wield that office and be looking out for you and not themselves and on that score there couldn't be even a you know a brighter possible line between these two individuals Trump tried to steal the 2020 election and end our democracy and end the peaceful transition of power kamla didn't do that and kamla if she loses you can bet that uh she is going to gavel in Donald Trump's win I guarantee it if he loses the election um Donald Trump is all about himself and he's not even mentally or cognitively fit to be the president of the United States you saw him on that debate stage unable to really put together two thoughts and at times you know biting easy bait that it's so obvious it's bait in real time it's bait uh you think he's not going to do that with Vladimir Putin you think he's not going to do that with um Kim Jong-un or any of these other leaders who are going to eat him for lunch as uh Kam Hara said and so if you love America if you love our constitution if you love the fact that we're allowed to vote and have our vote matter and count you should vote for kamla Harris do not put this guy within an inch of the obf office again because he's just gonna abuse the power like he did for four years okay over to Joe yeah I think it's Donald Trump isn't is a nogo for me but I think it's very important for me to say this so I really make sure like where I sit on this is distinct from the other um people on this panel right so the Biden Administration is a full partner in the genocide in Gaza and while Democrat leaders claim to be tirelessly working on a ceasefire they provided over $2.8 billion and weapons to Israel's Mass Slaughter of Palestinians since October 7th and Democrat leaders have repeatly demanded sorry Democrat voters excuse me repeatedly demanded for an arms abargo and a permanent ceasefire from the Biden Administration and pollings on the side of support for that and at the Democratic Convention you had uncommitted delegates some of which that I voted for that were censured and rejected from just a premise of speaking at the event itself and the Harris campaign and Congressional Democrats across the country have had ample opportunity to adopt some type of humanitarian position on Gaza instead Democrat leaders just remain on a staunch war criminals who facilitate genocide and Carry Out flagrant violations of national international law for me it's no votes for genocide I cannot support either candidate and for me as his current state Jill Stein is my only answer and also you can follow me twitch.tv/ lewis2 OJ e you wait sorry Jo Stein you said yeah you said Jill Stein he's a Jill Stein voter yes I am um I do appreciate the time I really like talking to all of you guys this is my first time engaging with Andrew Wilson very very cool um but yeah thanks for having speaking of Andrew Wilson Andrew Wilson yeah happy to engage with you in the future if you ever want to have a discussion I'm happy to do that uh thank you to the panel including Dylan Burns for hosting it you might think I was a little hard on Dylan this year evening but just uh full disclosure Dano uh the recruiter requested that I be mean to Dylan I guess he needed some additional sound bites and so all I did was fulfill the request of his uh his recruiter so you can't really get mad at me for that when it comes to PCO for instance uh PCO brings up the idea that uh I you know requested that he pay for a debate but all I was doing was holding the same standard that Destiny holds that you have have some criteria if you don't have the criteria for the sub count in order to come on my huge Channel Pisco then I think that payment is fair now would I charge anybody else but Pisco probably not but PCO complained and bitched and whined about it so I just couldn't help myself now on top of all of that let me just point out that Wrecking you idiots is the funnest Pastime that I've ever had in my life I've made Hutch cry he cry oh be off pleas but anyway okay I want back to this back to this this was a bait and switch we did not get the actual topic all the conservatives on here complaining about it because uh we were told that this was going to be a who's in a better leadership position KLA Harris or Trump and it turned out that that was not the actual topic you can see them all nodding their heads because we had a bait and switch done on us but we still made the best of it anyway not that we should have because Progressive scumbags lie all the time in order to get you pin pigeon hold in into topics you didn't even agree to under premises that you didn't agree to either now to also maximize on the rest of this I would like to thinkk the conservatives especially and iri who had a good head on his shoulders this evening the only one besides the conservatives who did happy to have a combo with you in the future as well my name is Andrew Wilson I am the host of The One and Only Crucible the fastest growing debate Channel on YouTube to my knowledge uh I'm a political analyst saturnist and uh also I engage in Blood Sport debates and I appreciate it guys okay I do want to just throw out there that the topic was who's better to lead the country forward and it did become a discussion on policy we just opened on the debate the discussion was 90% Economic Policy 90% policy so I think you guys debated the topic you prepared for anyway continuing uh we're going to throw it over to yeah I mean after Rob moved it over to that right what do you mean when once it was said that that's I was like yeah that's the topic let's start with the debate and then we had that discussion we had that discussion called moving the gold Post Yeah I had a whole opening I you had the discussion you wanted we just opened on the debate the big news story that 70 80 million people saw we hosted a panel show we wanted to get audience to see the debate if it was just another Harris Trump debate not Swit bro it was a bait and switch you had the discussion you wanted it wasn't a bait and switch I just open let's talk about the debate who won I do want to make one caveat I know I'm the new guy and I was recruited I I I feel that might not have helped because I definitely had a whole different opening prepared for the other topic and I would have done something different but it's like you know I'm not worried I'll adapt whatever cuz I ain't scared but it did seem a little bit baty switchy just like uh from like concept never been here before never been here before I also put I also put post presidential debate in parenthesis to let you guys know the dependent on the you know the presidential debate presidential debate topic it's going to be on the debate so it's not like any nobody knew we were going to talk about the debate today I just I just didn't read the question word for word I just thre it I thre it out very casually in the I'll make sure to make go on a contract and I'll be sure to read word for word by line by by line okay now who's the last two people left I know there's two people left Rob and IR so I throw it over to Rob and me oh then thr over the hutch first it needs to be in order uh yeah I don't think there I mean like listen after Trump's debate with Biden he requested another debate after his debate with KLA he's now saying that's it I think he obviously got rattled uh she walked right up to him to start that debate shook his hand looked him right in the eyes was staring at him for 95% of that debate he barely looked at her he was totally outclass the entire time I think that was obvious and think the polls reflect that in terms of who is uh better suited to lead the country just take a look at the two parties right now and just tell me what you guys think and if we had more time I would love to have asked my conservative counterparts do you feel like the Republican party is in a better position now than they were in 2016 I think the answer is obviously not the modern American conservative project is in is in shambles the house is chaos they ousted their own house Speaker for the first time ever they had uh one of the worst midterm performances uh in modern history during an economic downturn the Democratic party in contrast is has never been more cohesive and unified in my entire life I like our chances uh I think we're looking pretty good to win the house think we're looking pretty good to win the presidency and the Senate isn't completely out of reach and so I think we are the adults in the room and I think that uh the modern conservative project right now it's just a it's a joke it's ridiculous I think people most people understand this but uh Dylan just real quick if if you don't mind I'd just like to ask Hutch very briefly Hutch uh would you be willing to continue this debate with me with Rob noore uh moderating after this is done no I'm getting dinner bro if you want to set up a conversation about politics some other time we can do that okay uh I actually no rob it would be conservative so Rob yeah get that Rob all right fair enough uh yeah uh so I do think that the topic wasn't initially what we agreed to it is worth mentioning because initially then it perceives as if I'm on the side of the lefties like I said but I do think that we adapted and the only reason I think it's worth mentioning because I am vaguely aware that someone not understanding the specific topic before has led to a lot of controversy so I just want to get on record even though I think we did adapt and I don't think it harmed my performance whatsoever I think I did great I appreciate everyone's interactions on here even those that are going harder than others obviously I have love in my heart for the conservatives on the panel even Gibbs who I was [ __ ] on because I was upset that I laid a trap for Hutch and you stepped on my toes and it took me 20 minutes to get to it but to talk about this briefly I think Trump underperformed in the debate I think he did poorly I think Kamal Harris did poorly but less poorly don't think it'll have a big effect when it whatsoever when it comes to how this election would be proferred I think that what I tried to do is what Trump should have done is to not allow the deflections that you see that gets off the target of Camala Harris has been hidden she hasn't explained her position she seems to when she ran for president previously and was very clear about positions she seems to have now done a 180 on those but we haven't heard that from her mouth we just hear from surrogates and other people on mainstream media places that are saying it she seems to be running a VI campaign that the establishment institutions including the majority of the Legacy Media is completely dragging her across the finish line but if if that's what the election becomes about and I get it I get what Hut is saying like oh despite the poor economics Democrats did better than expected in 2022 yeah that's the point that's why I'm a populist I think these institutions are corrupt and they control the narrative and when you control algorithms on places like Google and the majority of the Legacy Media and Academia and the entertainment industry and the Intel agencies are on your side and lying about things like the hunter Biden laptop Etc putting their thumb on the scale every election yes it makes it likely that the party that has disastrous policies ends up winning elections and it I'm predicting that will happen again I am predicting that Camala Harris will win but it is no doubt that she's hiding and if the de election is about the track records of trump and what the country was like under him economically and through the Border it was doing phenomenal and then when we look at the Harris Biden Administration which it's just an empty suit that was running as Joe Biden and it's the same as Camala Harris it'll be people behind the scenes I found it humorous at one point Ira said who are those people behind the scenes running things right who's running the presidency now iri you don't know that's the whole point but but but M democracy right mud democracy uh the most anti-democratic thing I've seen in modern elections is the entire establishment gaslighting the American people about Biden's mental health then once the primary was effectively defao given to him coming out and forcing him out and then installing a woman in Cala Harris that would not have had any chance of winning a primary would had a very small chance and then basically keeping her under wraps and saying that all of her policy prescriptions will be said later we even have her circuits going out like she shouldn't talk to the Press why should they people will look at her policies and try to spin them negatively no [ __ ] and she had a chance in this debate despite what I think was Donald Trump's Mis was failure I I think she if she wanted to be transparent she could have outlined specifics on many of these policies and what her agenda would be she could have explained to the American people why she has so radically changed her position on Green New Deal things defunding the police getting rid of private insurance Banning fracking paying for transition surgery for illegal immigrants building a wall all of these things are things that she had incredible incredible articulation about being One Direction before and now she's just saying I've changed but my values been the same and hasn't explained any of it so I did not take the bait I correctly articulated why the economy is in shambles and it's the fault of the Harris bid Administration why the bordens in shambles and it's been the fault of the Harris Biden Administration why we could see the policies of Donald Trump were doing good for this country all people even the middle class lower class and people in inner cities people in rural America people in the suburbs and that his presidency would bring more of that much better than the failures of the Harris Biden Administration that is ran by committee and would put is only pissing on your leg right now telling you what they think you want to hear because they're refusing to explain why they do 180s on their policy position or why they didn't accomplish the great things that they say they're now going to do so for the past three and a half years when they controlled so much of our government I'm Rob no you can find me just search my name n o e r r thanks it's called normal America with Rob Nory never shills himself in right yeah rob you really got to work on brevity man because you say some interesting stuff but you [ __ ] ramble for 10 minutes and it everybody Tunes out man so you really got to start trying to fine-tune it a little bit champ and I'm glad I may be bad at debating but at least I'm not a pawn of Russian propaganda and like you who was featured on Tim P's the culture war that was on tenant media's YouTube site so congratulations Rob that was I by the way one of Russia's stupid pwns you idiot to you both that being said kamla Harris had a great debate these Republicans conservatives are coping cuz she got to knock it out of the part and she'd only did okay but she did just fine and I'd be upset too with all the energy on our side and my candidate saying uh they eat the dog they eat the cat so yeah it's going to be a little frustrating I think Kus got this in the bag so you guys need to start working on how to pronounce her name cuz you're going to be saying it for eight years but to my friends out there who are voting please do not look away from the Senate because you're going to be frustrated if kamla Harris wins and these Republicans control the Senate and it's all going to come down to a couple of races specifically Montana give John tester some love he's a Democrat running for reelection he's a great guy please check it out John tester in Montana put some energy into his cause thank you Dylan I appreciate you I go by I'm really important cuz I [ __ ] am