Are Chase Brown, J.K. Dobbins young players to buy in on? | Fantasy Football Happy Hour | NFL on NBC

let's jump into the running back situation in Cincinnati here guys coming into you know really coming out of the spring it felt like Zach Moss Chase Brown going into year two with a ton of talent a lot of the reports have been that chase Brown has been getting significant run with the first team offense now Denny this kind of makes sense because in theory you'd want to see the guy that's younger has more explosive playmaking ability but at the end of the day is a little bit of an unknown how do we view this Bengals backfield at this point of the Summer where to be fair to Zach Moss when he had to play for Jonathan Taylor he looked really really good but the unknown of Chase Brown in an offense that has a lot of talent has to be enticing he is yes and you make a good point he is largely still an unknown I mean he had one really explosive uh catch and run last year with Jake Browning under Center for Cincinnati that was cool it it really boosted his metrics across the board but a closer look and I and I actually wrote a piece on R World recently where I looked at the the metrics of Zach Moss versus Chase Brown and Moss has the edge on a lot of those you know as as a rusher and a pass catcher so I'm not completely writing off Zach Moss as a guy who who simply cannot be the rb1 in an explosive high-scoring Bengals offense that that throws a lot to the running back you know this is something Joe burrow has has done with Joe Mixon in the past uh I definitely want the prize of the rb1 for the Bengals and if Chase Brown keeps climbing in ADP and Zach Moss keeps dropping and Moss is a little banged up I will say uh I'm I'm trending toward Moss at the moment Jay this is an offense that with Joe Mixon out the door to Houston I mean that vacates 309 touches is there a world where maybe both of them are just a factor in this or do you think eventually it does lean to one guy as this offense has been in the past yeah I think this is like the higher variance situ version of what's going on in Tennessee where Tennessee seems very clear that it's like all right 50% Tony po 50% Tai J Spears or something around that I think this could develop into that but there is more variants where it seems like one guy could really take the job I think Brown is your higher upside play but Moss is perhaps the higher floor play but I mean Conor do you think the chase Brown of their worlds where he can become a three down workhorses back the last year at Illinois I mean he had a massive workload and showed that he can handle that so I do believe that it's just a matter if that's what they want this offense to be with mixing out the door they going to lean on one guy but in terms of can he do it he absolutely can do it and you know Denny kind of hinted at this Zach Moss is a guy as well that has dealt with injuries throughout his career and has already a little banged up this summer so you just wonder is this a battle of attrition is it just who can stay healthy and one more thing on this conversation Denny is this should be in theory a pass heavy offense because they have so much talent at wide receiver they've added talent to the offensive tackle position to hopefully keep Joe burrow healthy how do you factor that in with the value of both these running backs yeah you're right and you know we thought that the Bengals offense might change with Joe burrow out last season for a stretch but it didn't they were still among the two or three pass heaviest teams every single week uh no matter the opponent no matter the game script and I think that that is telling about how this team wants to operate especially with burrow back uh it probably means not a ton of rushing opportunity for for these guys for these backs um but it means a lot of pass route running and it potentially means a lot of targets and then PPR to get a cheap back you know in the middle of your draft or even the back half of your draft who's catching passes from Joe burrow that's that's awesome like that's it's hard to top that in the back half of your draft Yeah I just think my concern with Zach Moss is that he kind of was a non- entity for most of his career and then he wound up in the Shane styen offense and I think Sten is a top two three play caller in the NFL and the fact that he only really emerged as a guy in that offense um while Jonathan Taylor was out with offensive line by the way in Indianapolis that was playing really well um it's just a little bit of a concern for me just about the talent level whereas with Chase brownley says the unknown that maybe he is you know at a level above someone like Zach Moss who seems pretty stable in what we think of him as another intriguing backfield guys has to be the Chargers Greg Roman hired as the offensive coordinator his offenses have ranked top three in rushing attempts in seven of his 10 seasons as offensive coordinator which of course has a trickle effect on the flyer they took on JK Dobbins obviously a promising Talent he hasn't been able to stay healthy throughout his career he tours Achilles in week one of last season but if you listen to Dobbins so far this summer he sounds pretty excited about what he can do with more opportunity and health it's just teaching me something and I do think that the storm is over for that now I'm I'm on a New Journey a healthy Journey this year and you guys will see It'll be special because I've been saying it the whole time you like damn he's been saying that the whole time like that's over it's over it's over and now it is finally over and now you guys will be able to see if I get the volume I do think I'll be one of the best in the in in the league you know I've showed that with I think do you know how much yards are average a carry cuz I don't I think 5.8 5.8 okay I don't know how many BS they got that and that's why today JK Dobbins drinks for free here at the Happy Hour Bar a cheers to a healthy JK Dobbins and Jay this is someone who has familiarity with Greg Roman during his rookie season in 20120 925 scrimmage yards nine touchdowns most importantly six yards per carry you heard dobins talking about his career 5.8 yards per carry just hasn't really been healthy since then but this is a team that wants to run the ball we think the offense is going to be better and not only that but run heavy I mean can we really convince ourselves again of hey I'll take another fly F on JK Dobbins and see what happens here I think that is all it can be is a flyer just with the just Ray of maladies that he's dealt with at this point you have to believe that not only is a heightened reinjury risk but it just may have sapped some of his uh explosiveness um even if the viral Twitter videos may suggest otherwise but look I think that between Roman between Harbor between having Ron Slater and Joe out is the best tackle tandem that franchis has had in I don't know 20 years however long a long time um there is upside for JK but I think that you know Edwards is probably still going to get some goal line work and you suspect that he is going to be somewhat Limited in terms of just the amount of carries that he can get just because of his injury history yeah Denny is this a situation where you know the Gus bus just kind of takes over or is the potential Talent of dobbin's a big factor especially it feels like there was once upon a time we were hearing kamani videll the day three rookie in the mix at some point I don't know if that's going to carry over into the regular season yeah as fantasy nerds may have gotten a little carried away with kamod no way I will say just a just a little bit you know and and now we're all in financial trouble but uh you know like Dobbins first of all a guy you root for big time I mean you know watching that clip it's incredible to think what he's been through and you know maybe he can come out the other side in an offense that he has a lot of familiarity with and an offense like you like you guys said that you know wants to be run first wants to be run heavy there's no way this team is going to be balanced or pass heavy I I've heard that that sort of you know talked about a little bit online I just don't see it okay so they are going to run the ball a lot Dobbins is going at a reasonable ADP RB 42 is right now around Trey Benson Jerome Ford uh chuba Hub Rico D honestly I think his path dobbin's path to upside and to Fantasy uh uh relevance is clearer than those guys you know and I think that he can be a plug-and-play type guy now if you start your draft with an elite running back or you're probably not going to you know be very interested in a Dobbins late in the draft if you're like me and you're desperate for running back touches later in the uh draft Dobbins looks pretty darn good Denny So when you say that is this a situation that say you do just steer clear of running back early do you have to take Dobbins and Gus Edwards and say okay I think this thing will sort itself out or do you kind of throw darts around the board and Dobbins has the upside Dart wire where it feels like the Gus bus is a little bit more of a red zone floor guy it's a good question and honestly I try not to uh pack my bench with you know with guys from the same back field it sort of limits your team's upside um you know if I have to choose between Dobbins and Gus Edwards right now I'm leaning toward Dobbins even though you're right I mean Gus Edwards is traditionally a goal line back a successful one in Baltimore uh who knows if that you know holds up without the threat of Lamar Jackson at the goal line scaring teams into just letting Gus walk into the end zone I don't know uh but yeah I I think you need to choose one or the other right now I'm choosing Dobbins all right let's close this out with our risers Jaylen McMillan a third round rookie out of Washington it's amazing when you look at that Washington offense the amount of talent they had in the top 100 it almost makes you forget about the third wide receiver taken from that group and Jaylen McMillan but he's reminded everybody Jay of the type of player he is having a great camp with the Bucks we know the houseold names Mike Evans of course Chris Godwin who we think they'd like to keep in the slot but this is a team where Tre Palmer is their third wide receiver last year at a 65% snap rate and it feels like McMillan is there to take that job yeah I guess the concern would be that even though Trey Palmer did get on the field like he had 385 receiving yards and he stayed healthy the whole season like this was last year at least uh and it's a new offensive coordinator but last year it was just the offense was so geared to Mike Evans and Chris Godwin Mike Evans isn't going anywhere he's still going to be the number one guy and the other thing with Chris Godwin he's only 28 years old feels like he's 50 feels like he's been in the NFL forever be and so I think that he's going to shift more into the slot and maybe McMillan gets more play outside this team was about a neutral pass rate last year so it's not like they Chuck it a ton um they probably ran the ball too much really given they weren't getting anything on the ground with Rashad white but so I think Connor it's mainly just a question of of talent and how much is he going to force himself onto the field well what you brought up is the key of why I'm not buying into rookie Jaylen McMillan I think the long term for the Bucs makes a lot of sense but I think projecting him forward his best position was the slot play strength was a question and I know he was banged up last year but there was a reason that Roman dun went in the top 10 and then Jaylen pulk went in the top 35 and then McMillan went just before the top 100 concluded in the draft because he was clearly the third best receiver in that Michael penck Le offense with McMillan it just his agility once again the lack of play strength he's made for the slot but the Bucks want to keep Chris Godwin in the slot which makes sense so it feels like down the road when Godwin is no longer with the Bucks okay I could buy into McMillan but if you're putting him on the outside I don't think the actual volume and production as a rookie is going to and this is so do you said this so dominated by Mike Evans It's So dominated by Rashad white and Chris Godwin that Denny it's great that McMillan's having a good camp and he has a key key future with the bucks but we are talking about fantasy football and I don't know if this is an offense where that type of receiver is going to be elevated this year yeah I mean look when you talk about Evans and guy when you're talking about 50% of the targets basically in the Bucks offense and then you have Rashad way and then you have Kate dton okay let's not forget about kton that's tight end in sickos late round sickos we love our Kon uh and and so I don't know I don't don't know where the targets are going to come from for whoever is the wide receiver three in this Tampa offense I think McMillan makes sense if you're in you know like a 14 Team league with multiple Flex spots where you're you're happy to you know plug in a guy later in the season who's going to see maybe four or five Targets in a game hopefully scores a touchdown hopefully hits a big one but beyond that I I just I think that you're focusing on obviously Evans Godwin em Shad way everybody else is just sort of you know on the sideline as far as fantasy goes on in this Tampa offense that's a great Point Denny if Godwin gets hurt which we've seen him banged up over the years then McMillan as a waiver wire option as somebody will be talking about because once again then I think he kicks inside and that's where you want to see him in this offense and you're talking about him being the number two wide receiver not maybe the fourth or fifth guy in terms of targets at a position that's going to be an adjustment hey it's Matthew Barry from nbcsports.com and rotoworld.com and I want to 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