'The Five' reacts to Kamala Harris' CNN interview

♪ ♪ NEARLY 40 DAYS OF SILENCE LEADING UP TO 26 TOTAL MINUTES OF AIRTIME FOR VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS AND HER RUNNING MATE TIM WALZ, THEY SAT DOWN WITH CNN FOR THE FIRST BIG MEDIA INTERVIEW SINCE REPLACING BIDEN ON THE DEMOCRATIC TICKET. HARRIS CLAIMED HER VALUES HAVE NOT CHANGED COME OF THIS WHEN SHE WAS PRESSED ON WHY HAS DONE AN ABOUT-FACE ON MAJOR ISSUES LIKE FRACKING. TAKE A LISTEN. >> DO YOU STILL WANT TO BAN TRACKING? >> NO, AND I MADE THAT CLEAR ON THE DEBATE STAGE IN 2020, THAT I WOULD NOT BAN FRACKING, AS VICE PRESIDENT I DID NOT BAN FRACKING, AS PRESIDENT I WILL NOT BAN FRACKING. IN 2024, I AM NOT CHANGED THAT POSITION NOR WILL I GOING FORWARD. I KEPT MY WORD AND I WILL KEEP MY WORD. >> WHAT MADE YOU CHANGE THAT POSITION AT THE TIME? >> LET US BE CLEAR. MY VALUE IS HAVE NOT CHANGED. >> Gillian: HER 180 PROVIDING A ROLL THE TAPE FOR US. WATCH WHAT SHE SAID DURING THE 2020 CAMPAIGN P. >> THERE IS NO QUESTION I AM IN FAVOR OF BANNING FRACKING. JOE BIDEN WILL NOT AND FRACKING, HE HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT. I WILL REPEAT AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW THAT JOE BIDEN WILL NOT BAN FRACKING. THAT IS A FACT. THAT IS A FACT. >> Gillian: THE OTHER BIG INTERVIEW MOMENTS LAST NIGHT INVOLVED THE MAN SHE REPLACED ON THE TOP OF THE DEMOCRATIC TICKET, OBVIOUSLY PRESIDENT BIDEN. HARRIS DEFENDED THEIR JOINT RECORD TOGETHER IN OFFICE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE ECONOMY AND THE BORDER. SHE ALSO REVEALED WHETHER SHE HAD ANY REGRETS ABOUT VOUCHING FOR THE PRESIDENT AMID ALL THE CONCERN ABOUT HIS FITNESS FOR OFFICE. WATCH THIS. >> YOU INSISTED PRESIDENT BIDEN IS EXTRAORDINARILY STRONG PEER GIVEN WHERE WE ARE NOW, DO YOU HAVE ANY REGRETS ABOUT WHAT YOU TOLD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE? >> NO, NOT AT ALL P OR HE HAS THE INTELLIGENCE, THE COMMITMENT, AND THE JUDGMENT AND DISPOSITION THAT I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE RIGHTLY DESERVED IN THEIR PRESIDENT. >> YOU RAISE YOUR HAND WHEN ASKED WHETHER OR NOT THE BORDER SHOULD BE DECRIMINALIZED, DO YOU STILL BELIEVE THAT? >> I BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE CONSEQUENCE. I'M THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS PROSECUTED TRANSNATIONAL CRIMINAL ORGANIZATIONS, WHO TRAFFIC IN DRUGS, GUNS, AND HUMAN BEINGS. >> YOU HAVE BEEN VICE PRESIDENT FOR 3.5 YEARS. THE STEPS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NOW, WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE THEM ALREADY? >> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAD TO RECOVER AS AN ECONOMY, AND WE HAVE DONE THAT -- >> YOU MAINTAIN BIDENOMICS IS A SUCCESS. >> THERE IS MORE TO DO, BUT THAT IS GOOD WORK. >> Gillian: ALL RIGHT, LET'S KICK IT OUT TO THE TABLE. GREG COME AFTER THIS OBVIOUSLY HIGHLY ANTICIPATED, 40 DAYS IN THE WORKS INTERVIEW LAST NIGHT, AND LONG FORM INTERVIEW, WE ONLY GOT 26 MINUTES, BUT THAT MIGHT BE THE LONGEST WE HEAR FROM HER BEFORE THE ELECTION -- BEFORE THE DEBATES, ANYWAY. I THINK THE IMPORTANT QUESTION FOR FOLKS TO ASK THEMSELVES COMING OUT OF IT IS WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK YOU RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS WHAT IS KAMALA HARRIS' VISION FOR THE COUNTRY? AND WHAT DOES SHE STAND FOR? >> Greg: IS LIKE THE MEDIA EQUIVALENT OF CONSTIPATION. YOU KNOW, JUST ANTICIPATING AND ANTICIPATING. NOTHING HAPPENS. THEY NEEDED SOME FIBER, YOU KNOW, METAMUCIL. IT WAS NOT INTERESTING. I FELT LIKE I HAD STUMBLED INTO A PARENT-TEACHER CONFERENCE, AND THEIR KID WAS JOE BIDEN. AND THEY HAD TO TIPTOE AROUND THE FACT THAT JOEY IS OLDER THAN EVERYBODY ELSE BUT CAN'T DO ANYTHING. IT WAS 20 MINUTES THAT FELT LIKE 200. THEY TOOK LIKE THE MOST ANTICIPATED INTERVIEW IN 40 DAYS AND IT FELT LIKE A STALE BAG OF NUTS FROM A VENDING MACHINE. I WAS NONPLUSSED. THAT WAS THE POINT APPEARED THE GOAL HERE WAS A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION. LIMIT THE DAMAGE TO 18 MINUTES, FOUR TOPICS, SO SHE DIDN'T COME ALIKE, SCORE A POINT. SHE DIDN'T GET A HIT. BUT SHE ALSO DIDN'T PULL A BIDEN, AND THAT IS ALL THEY CAN HOPE FOR. THIS WAS SAFER THAN A CONDOM IN A CONVENT. THE THING THAT BUGGED ME, THE ISSUE, THE NO FOLLOW-UP. SHE ASKED HARRIS -- >> Gillian: ON THE ONE QUESTION THERE WAS FOLLOW-UP. >> Greg: THAT WAS IT. WHEN THEY ASKED HARRIS ABOUT HER ROLL IN LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT JOE'S MENTAL STATE, AND THEY COUCHED IT, DANA BASH COUCHED IT AS DO YOU REGRET TELLING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HE WAS STRONG? AND OF COURSE, HARRIS TOOK THE WORD REGRET AND MADE IT NOT ABOUT LYING TO AMERICA, BUT ABOUT SERVING BIDEN. OF COURSE SHE HAS NO REGRETS WORKING WITH JOE BIDEN. BUT THAT WAS THE QUESTION. DO YOU REGRET LYING TO AMERICA? THERE WAS NO FOLLOW-UP TO THAT. IT'S AMAZING THAT IN THESE LAST TWO WEEKS, TRUMP HAS DONE FIVE PLUS HOURS WORTH OF INTERVIEWS. THEY COULDN'T MANAGE TO DO 20 MINUTES OF TRANSPARENCY. IT WAS JUST A FLAW FOG OF PLATITUDES AND EVASIVE PIVOTS. IT WASN'T JUST HORRIBLE, IT WASN'T ENOUGH TO BE HORRIBLE. THERE WASN'T ENOUGH. IT WAS LIFELESS. IT WAS DEAD. IT FELT LIKE IT WAS IN A CONFERENCE ROOM WITH A DAYS IN. IT WAS LIKE A DEPOSITION. THERE WAS NOTHING THERE. >> Gillian: TO GREG'S POINT HER ANSWER, WHEN IT COMES TO VOUCHING FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN, DAVID AXELROD OVER ON CNN ACTUALLY LIKE HER ANSWER. HE GAVE HER KUDOS FOR IT. TAKE A LISTEN. >> Greg: WHO CARES ABOUT HIM? >> SHE DIDN'T RUN AWAY FROM HIM. SHE GAVE HIM, I THINK, IS DUE. SHE UNDERSTANDS THERE IS POLITICAL RISK TO THAT. THAT ACTUALLY WAS ELEVATING TO ME IN A WAY I HADN'T EXPECTED. SO I THINK I'M A WHOLE THIS WAS A GOOD NIGHT, IT WASN'T A HUGE -- I DON'T THINK SHE MOVED THE BALL THAT MUCH FORWARD, BUT SHE CERTAINLY DIDN'T FALL BACK. >> Gillian: SO ELEVATING IN A WAY HE HADN'T EXPECTED. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, KENNEDY? >> Kennedy: I KIND OF AGREE WITH GREG HERE. WHO PULLED HIS CHAIN? I DON'T THINK HER STANCE ON JOE BIDEN IS PARTICULARLY DIFFICULT TO ANSWER, AND I DON'T THINK IT IS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT. NO ONE REALLY CARES ABOUT JOE BIDEN AT THIS POINT. JOE BIDEN DOESN'T SEEM TO CARE ABOUT JOE BIDEN. HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT GOVERNING THE COUNTRY. SO SURE, SHE CAN SHELLAC HIS PRESIDENCY ALL THAT SHE NEEDS TO, AND I DO THINK THE QUESTION COULD HAVE BEEN PHRASED BETTER. YOU KNOW, WHEN DID YOU KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS IN DECLINE? BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T KNOW. EVERYONE KNEW. WE ALL KNEW, AND WE WEREN'T THE LAST PERSON IN THE ROOM, WHICH WAS HOW SHE PHRASED IT WHEN SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT THEIR HORRIBLE AFGHANISTAN WITHDRAWAL PLAN. SHE WAS THE LAST PERSON WITH JOE BIDEN. SO THE POINT OF THAT WAS I KNOW HIM BEST, I SIT WITH HIM THE LONGEST. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN SHE WOULD HAVE KNOWN FIRST THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING REALLY, REALLY WRONG WITH HIM, AND SHE HAD PROMISED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, REMEMBER WHEN ANDERSON COOPER ACTUALLY PRESSED HER AFTER THAT HORRIFIC DEBATE, AND SHE PROMISED PEOPLE, IF IT WAS SOMETHING WRONG WITH JOE BIDEN, I WOULD BE THE ONE TO SAY SOMETHING. WELL, WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY SOMETHING THEN? WHY DIDN'T YOU TALK TO SOME OF YOUR COLLEAGUES ABOUT THE 25TH AMENDMENT? MAYBE BECAUSE SHE KNEW THIS PLAN WAS IN PLACE, AND SHE SAT THERE AND ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS LIKE A GOOD LITTLE WARRIOR, THAT SHE WOULD BE REWARDED WITH THE NOMINATION, NO ONE WOULD STAND IN HER WAY, NOT JOE BIDEN, NOT THE OBAMAS, NOT JOSH SHAPIRO, NOT GAVIN NEWSOM, AND THE WHOLE THING WOULD BE HERS WITHOUT ANY PUSHBACK AT ALL. THAT WAS A DEAL THAT SHE MADE WITH THE DEVIL, AND SHE SIGNED IT IN HER OWN BLOOD RED INK. >> Gillian: SO PART OF THE PROBLEM FOR HER, EMILY, IS SHE WAS TRYING TO COME I HATE THE EXPRESSION THREAD THE NEEDLE, BUT I GUESS SHE WAS TRYING -- >> Greg: SEXIST. IT ALWAYS HAS TO BE ABOUT SEWING, RIGHT? BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN? >> Gillian: I GET IT, IT'S SEXIST. BUT SHE IS TRYING TO SAY I FULLY SUPPORT EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE. I STAND BY OUR RECORD THE LAST 3.5 YEARS. BUT IT IS ALSO TIME TO TURN THE PAGE. IT'S TWO OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS. YOU CAN'T REALLY DO BOTH THINGS. >> Emily: RIGHT, IT WAS LIKE WHEN YOU WATCH SPOUSES THAT ARE FIGHTING AND WHEN THEY ARE FIGHTING, IT IS YOUR CHILD, JUST DID THIS TODAY, BUT WHEN THEY ARE UNITED, LOOK, HONEY, BILLY GOT STRAIGHT As, OUR SON IS SO AMAZING. SHE IS CLEARLY TRYING TO DIVERT HERSELF FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ONLY WHEN IT SERVES HER. AND THE SHEER VOLUME OF THOSE FLIP-FLOPS, FOR DANA BASH NOT TO PRESS HER FURTHER, TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS EVOLUTION, HOW EXACTLY HAVE YOU CHANGED AND WHY, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. PEOPLE HAVE EXCUSED ON THE LEFT BY SAYING EVERY POLITICIAN FLIP-FLOPS. NOT THIS MUCH AND NOT THIS HEAVILY. SO WHY SOMEONE WHO IS SO COMMITTED TO THESE VALUES THAT CLEARLY RUN THE ENTIRE GAMUT, I WAS SO SORELY UNDERWHELMED, GREG, I AGREE WITH YOU, THIS IS A PROSECUTOR. SHE LIKED TO REMIND US NOT ONLY IS THIS OUR SITTING VICE PRESIDENT, THIS WAS A SENATOR AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND MORE. SHE WANTED TO REMIND US THAT SHE DID NOT DESERVE SNEAKERS ON THE COVER OF "VOGUE." SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN HEELS. SHE DECLINED MEETING WITH THE SPOUSES OF ALL THE LEADERS OF FOREIGN NATIONS BECAUSE SHE SAID AT THE G7 SUMMIT, NO, NO, NO, I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT COME I COMMAND RESPECT, I WON'T MEET WITH THE SPOUSES. NOW HERE WE ARE LED TO BELIEVE SHE CAN'T EVEN CONDUCT AN INTERVIEW SO LOW? SHE CAN'T FORMULATE THOUGHTS? SHE WAS CLEARLY TOTALLY UNPREPARED EXCEPT FOR HER PULL THE CHAIN COMMENTS THAT SHE LIKES TO REPEAT, AND OTHERWISE THERE WAS ZERO COMMAND OF KNOWLEDGE, INFORMATION, AND EXPERIENCE THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT OUT OF SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN IN THE WHITE HOUSE FOR FOUR YEARS AND WHO WANTS TO BE THERE FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS AT THE TOP. >> Gillian: WE ARE GOING TO GET INTO GOVERNOR WALZ IN THE NEXT BLOCK A BIT BUT I WANT TO ASK YOU, JOEY, BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH COULD A SCHISM OF HIM JOINING THIS INTERVIEW BEFORE TOOK PLACE, COMING DOWN HARD, REPOSED AND CERTAINLY, SHE SHOULD HAVE HANDLED THIS ONE SO LOW. NOW THAT WE HAVE SEEN THE INTERVIEW, DO YOU THINK IT WAS THE RIGHT CALL FOR HIM TO BE THERE OR NOT? >> Joey: I DON'T KNOW IF WHY HE WAS THERE, UNLESS IT WAS TO MAKE HER LOOK SMARTER AND MORE INTELLIGENT OR MORE ELOQUENT IN HER SPEECH. I DON'T KNOW. THE THINGS HE DID SAY WE WILL TALK ABOUT LATER. BUT JUST TO GO BACK TO HER INTERVIEW. LISTEN, THE POINT OF THIS INTERVIEW WASN'T TO GET HER ANSWERS ON RECORD, IT WAS TO OPERA HER AN OPPORTUNITY TO CORRECT THE RECORD TO MAKE IT ALL SMOOTHS OUT SO SHE S NOT HAVE TO BE QUESTIONED ABOUT IT AGAIN PURE WHEN THEY CAME BACK ON THE FIRST COMMERCIAL BREAK, THEY LITERALLY RAN THE INTRO TO THE SECOND SEGMENT WAS AN AD FOR KAMALA HARRIS, AND THEN THERE WAS A CLIP FROM TRUMP WHEN HE WENT TO THE ORGANIZATION OF BLACK JOURNALISTS AND SITTING THERE GETTING DRILLED, THE VERY FIRST QUESTION, ARE YOU RACIST? THE IRONY IN THAT IS THAT THEY ONLY HAD THAT CLIP OF TRUMP BECAUSE HE WILL SIT DOWN AND ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE. HE'S NOT AFRAID, HE WON'T BACK DOWN. SHE GAVE MORE DETAILS ABOUT THE BREAKFAST THAT SHE SUPPOSEDLY HAD WHEN SHE WAS TOLD THAT BIDEN WAS DROPPING OUT THAN ANY POLICY THEY ASK HER. THE ONLY NUMBERS OR FACTS I COULD FIND COME I TOOK NOTES FOR PART OF THE INTERVIEW IT WAS, I EVENTUALLY WENT BACK TO COLLEGE FOOTBALL, BUT SHE SAID $10,000 TAX CREDIT, J.D. VANCE -- $6,000 TAX CREDIT, J.D. VANCE WANTS TO DO $10,000. THAN $25,000 SO YOU CAN BUY A HOUSE THAT COST TWICE AS MUCH AS IT DID LAST YEAR. TELL ME HOW THAT'S A GOOD DEAL APPEARED BUT WE KNOW ABOUT BACON AND PANCAKES AND PUZZLES AND ALL THE OTHER HORSE CRAP SHE THREW IN THERE THAT I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF IT. >> Gillian: REAL QUICK BEFORE WE GO TO BREAK, BRYAN LLENAS HAD AN INTERVIEW WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP AFTER LAST NIGHT, HERE IS HIS TAKE ON THE INTERVIEW. >> I THINK IT WAS NOT EXACTLY A GREAT PERFORMANCE, IT WAS A LOW-ENERGY PERFORMANCE. TO TAKE ALL OF THAT TIME AND GET READY FOR THAT KIND OF AN INTERVIEW, IT WAS A SOFTBALL INTERVIEW, AND I REALLY THINK THAT PROBABLY, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT WAS NOT CONSIDERED A BIG SUCCESS. IF YOU GO BY THE REVIEWS, IT WAS CONSIDERED MUCH LESS OF A SUCCESS. >> Gillian: COMING UP, VP HARRIS NOT THE ONLY ONE IN THE HOT SEAT LAST NIGHT. GOVERNOR TIM WALZ COME AS WE JUST MENTIONED, WA