Premier League HAPPY HOUR! Rice Red Card DEBATE - Can Pochettino Fix the USMNT

[Music] hey what's going on everyone Welcome to our Friday night happy hour I am Mark filling in as the hostess with the mostess uh for L who is temporarily out on assignment uh actually two assignments and maybe even more I'm not really sure um what do we do I don't I don't remember I guess I I I I toast John here cheers John oh he's not gonna toast me without L am I even on I have no idea he says one minute he says to me I think we're bringing someone on here I'm not exactly sure hey there he is no no you're good you're good wither ah yes Kors the the state drink of Colorado if I if I don't if I'm if I'm not mistaken and uh it is pronounced curs uh in in that part of the world um is it go ahead is it I think it's pronounced Kur a very weird Western way of saying things it's like saying hary partner or I'm sorry partner as the case might be um all right I'll be here fantastic I have no idea what I'm going to be doing today uh so much so much to cover and yet so little to cover uh we're barely three weeks into the Premier League season and we're already on a uh International break which makes absolutely no sense to me absolutely starving for football uh and it it's just it's just not there because I'm sorry but the the the matches that the international break is is bringing uh is is is just not doing it for me uh but um there has been a lot of news that I've been reading and I sometimes wonder if I should give a [ __ ] about it you know like for instance in the news I think it was yesterday or maybe the day before yesterday that it was reported that Ronaldo has scored his 900th goal I don't think I give a [ __ ] about that you know here's a guy at the Twilight of his career uh you know running for the money and I guess that's okay but but I'm sorry but all the goals you're scoring in in in the Saudi league mean so little to me um and I don't care how far they are being hyped uh if anybody else has something else to say in the comments that would be fantastic Mr Tom says Cur C curs it's not it's curs like you're you're you're like is a you're a gnarly cerr um Scooby D2 is wondering if they are an Irish band they probably are and and maybe they're the masters of the Penny Whistle and whatever that drum thing that that they play um Lo says he doesn't give a [ __ ] about Ronaldo's 900th goal uh I I do not as well if he had scored that for Man United or Real Madrid or or wherever else he had played for in life uh then maybe it would have been something I gave a [ __ ] about uh what else do I get you shouldn't spie rice get sent okay well that's that's a whole different story and I'm sure I'm sure we'll be covering that once Lo can join us if if and win that if and win that but I have notes I have notes about things that I give a [ __ ] about and I don't give a [ __ ] about here's something to give yes John where'd you get those notes Bandy I remember used to keep the notes not he will them to you down right here in my really poor handwriting on the back of some uh recyclable paper because I care about the environment and [ __ ] like that uh something that I did care about was for the first time in 20 years uh a San Marino has won a match they have gone 0 and77 uh I if you want to know how far back that was when the last time they saw Victory um uh George W Bush was in office and I think you could still Fox Hunt in England or in the UK um and I'm sure lots of you that attend our show have done many a fox hunt uh I have I have not uh but seriously seriously could you imagine going 20 years as a fan 20 years without a single win as as a national team um surrounded by Italy maybe even threatened by the pope don't you dare win but both times which here's what's crazy is both times it was against lonstein or lonstein I don't know I I I've never been there so I I can't even imagine how to uh how to uh pronounce it um but I you know I I would have to ask Mr Tom and if and if he's waiting the wings maybe we can bring him on and I can ask him what the odds are or what the odds were uh for San Marino to win that match their first win uh in in in 20 games there he is Mr Tom looking clean shaven I'm I'm inspired by you because this is getting this is getting to be a bit much I'm not sure should consider it you should consider it yeah you know I'm I'm halfway there uh but but did you did you know for San Marino to win that game generally I don't tend to look that kind of thing up beforehand because as you I believe you might have said you you I might have missed it while I was setting up but obviously it was their first competitive win ever it's their first competitive win in 20 years no no his first comp win ever the only other win was in a friendly so it doesn't count this wasn't a friendly no this is in the UEFA Nations League according to FIFA's rules it's competitive win oh I mean you're not totally wrong because it's like their first win ever cuz their only other win was against the same opposition in a friendly match correct correct so and the thing that like they have supporters uh who have been watching them and have never SE in their lifetime there's probably like kids that are like 16 17 years old uh young men who have never seen their their their countrymen uh to perform to such a level to where they're they won a game in fact I think the fan base is known as the never any Joy Brigade never any joy that tell I tell you something Mark about them all their players come from not all but most of their players come from Siri D like the fourth tier of Italian football and the SE the third tier of Italian football had multiple leagues so it is it's below non league in in as an English equivalent um also do you know recently they only lost 2-1 to Denmark in a in a that was that was last year right yeah was r i I saw something like that and you're were like oh they almost got one yeah do you know there a Twitter account that's that that basically promotes them it's it's B like unimaginatively it's I believe it's called San Marino fan account right but it took them a board a long time ago and basically whenever they play I basically just read their Twitter account because it's like it's not most of the time it's basically not much is happening like conceded a goal conceded a goal conceded a goal um I I don't even know what I'd have been wrong or what Mark had been right about but yeah I I have no idea maybe it's just it's just his mood uh but I would say that I I do believe that Lo at some point today will totally change his tune where he's gonna be like Mark you're right you're but you're wrong um I'm not really sure I I I want to say this fan base should like change their name you know so it's like you know so they were like the the never any Joy uh they could be oh gez oh only only some some some joy every two decades I'm not really sure I'll be back in 2044 when they next good on them hopefully they don't have to wait maybe they can get as lucky as uh as England does for their draws uh when it comes to qualifying for World Cup I suppose it does show Mark that um in sport and I'm very guilty of this a lot of the time you can get a B entitled um not you personally I mean us us as football fans get a bit entitled and I'm 100% dig out the Arsenal fans for this but but you you know what I mean in in all seriousness even as a leads fan last year my team has a divine right to be in the Premier League and we're talking right now on a Friday night for me in the UK midnight 30 minutes past midnight talk about a team that's won two matches in 20 years and that's including the one that actually started their winning streak of they I believe they lost 170 matches in between um and obviously yes yesterday two days ago to me in in England but um blows me imagine how much it means to them oh don't know where the next win's coming from I mean it it's like who was it was it was it brenford that went like 70 years or 50 years before they they were promoted to to the to the Premier League um so you know I I I I can only imagine because I did see a little bit on as far as that you know there's there's a little deeper coverage on on a brenford rather than saman you know but you know I I did kind of see the excitement of having this you know formerly prestigious Club you know be promoted but um but uh it it it was something that struck me and guess what everyone I gave a [ __ ] I gave a [ __ ] about that match I didn't watch it but I definitely gave a [ __ ] about it always look out for their results I know that sounds really shitty because it's more the Curiosity it's like they're going to win at some point and they did yeah they they had their night the only thing I really feel bad about it is because obviously you know I like my memes and stuff and a lot of the memes in the communities I inhabit with the meme stuff is that lichenstein were cast as like this comedy villain and I'm sitting there thinking I'm sitting here like are they're going to win tonight sort of thing and I'm thinking about I'm more thinking about lonstein have also like only won like two matches in like 20 years and one of them isand if I remember rightly so was like lonstein the the Samuel L Jackson character in the gentleman where he's just like this you know or any any uh any spoofy villain that just might give away the plan and and go from there I'm not really oh um Samuel Jackson in the gentleman I think are you talking about the 51st state I don't know what I'm thinking I know it's different name in England to what is America but anyway it's besides the point um but is it the one where like he's invented a drug yeah something like that and their heads explode or something like that yeah yeah I know I know what you're talking about um it it's very I just I felt really bad for the team that San Marino beat because I'm sitting here like that yeah yeah like we like I had nothing to do with it I don't support them but compet like All Sport got behind right the people that are aware of it and it's like they cast as like this comedy villain CU they've made the San Marino like the comedy Underdog in the situation but the other team are only marginally better imagine if you're also [ __ ] but you not been as [ __ ] as the other team and everyone's sitting again oh you don't [ __ ] win sort of thing I'm what the [ __ ] have I done I just tried my best I also go out there and lose six nil to every international team that I play right I mean we we we've accused arsenal of uh of over celebrating in in in the in the past I can only imagine uh what that celebration uh was like because that's that's pretty much it for for them and the city is just burning to the ground uh in in just in just total excitement uh what else do I give a [ __ ] about and this one I'm a little on the fence about uh and that's that's the uh the the the nominations of the baland deor came out this week uh not sure I give a [ __ ] about it but I will say I'll tell you what I do care about or what I find interesting and maybe it's just a sign of the times is that this is the first time in 20 years that someone like someone by the name of Messi or Ronaldo is not on the list and I think that that is a fantastic sign of of uh you know hey we're we're moving into a new a new era of football some I was just told that somebody is down here who who needs to come on why don't we go ahead and bring in uh bring in uh whoever's kicking our door down there he is David how you doing mate hello guys how are you very good David you give a [ __ ] about the sorry second no it's corrupt lead United playing tonight because I only usually see you in leads play on a Friday so am I just my apologies my apologies you're right David just got in from Washington today so have fun not not Washington Upon Time near Newcastle but Washington DC but yeah yeah no it's a nice little trip all good uh last weekend I'm not going to turn it onto the leads chat but having gone to the game last week brilliant Fant we'll get to that yeah we'll get to that but yeah the baland deal it's corrupt where was where was fero's name come on to be fair well I but but what do you think about the idea that it's it's the first time in two decades that someone's name of Messi or Ronaldo is not on the list I think does that strike you in any way whatsoever should I give a [ __ ] about this no because it just tells me that they they're turning their wheels to make their marketing magic go to go to someone else like it's basically going to be Harland mbappe don't get me wrong we never you try and pick something five years how many how many articles have you read for example David where um they try and predict the England team for the 2030 World Cup and you end up having like two of players on the list actually be at that World Cup yeah yeah yeah yeah I think it's a bit like that but I think safely you are going to assume that mbappe and Harland are going to be in this mix for a while yeah there's going to be a few others aren there like Bellingham vishous junor yeah and you know it's fair to say that over the last two decades we've gone through a period of football where there's been two greats at the top yeah you know but the their time to be honest their time was well overdue uh Messi he won it last year but he why did he win it because they won the World Cup but I would still argue that it was more down to Dem Di Maria than than Messi going through that World Cup but there you go I mean it is what it is uh but David wasn't it wasn't it more than just the World Cup didn't he win cop America in the same same calendar year yeah but who gives who gives a [ __ ] anyway really me first one you know Argentina had never won the the Copa during his TI the year previous you know was that 2021 I think it was the year previous wasn't it yeah I think it would have fallen outside the window of that he might have won it the year before for that I I don't know I can't remember all truth but um M fault on on it just just let me get this out David and then say whatever you want mate um just a little quick recognition for John uh lufc garide he's been a member with us for six months thank you very much for your support uh and we certainly appreciate your comments in uh in the uh in the thread each and every uh happy hour that we do this Lo is so much better at the at the um reading of the uh of the com I'm just like it's just moving I'm not I can't even see myself pay attention to it you mean some some of the comments that he puts you appreciate or I appreciate some of them not all of them fair enough what will say Mark is I I think people are very much in uh some people get confused it with um I'm not going so anyone but I do think a portion of the football Community gets confused into thinking that the Balon door is a competition where they reward Merit when Awards generally are an exercise in marketing the thing the awards are for like it's FIFA's way of basically going this is who we want to build football around for the foreseeable it might be 10 years might not but I think the fact that it was Messi and don't get me wrong Messi and Ronaldo you you know you arguably you'd be you'd be hard pressed to say isn't no to on a ro basis but there were years where there were players that should have won it like I think there was a year lski scored load of gos and get yeah yeah right didn't modri win it one year no I think he's gonna win it this year no I thought W it he won it because Croatia got to the World Cup final if I remember rightly I could be I could be totally wrong I we're talking Ry from from Spain and from modri who used to play for Tottenham and Real Madrid Modric in the middle oh rodric Modric modri modri yes Modric was the one that broke the string of like 10 consecutive years of yeah somebody named Chrissy or or Leo 2018 modri yeah yeah I'm guessing it's because he dragged Croatia to a World Cup final yeah but Al also at that time he was fantastic at Real Madrid and in fact he has been for donkey years uh a couple of years after he left Spurs just absolutely superb there funny how he got better after he left Tottenham just must be coincidence must must maybe right oh here we go here we go well I I'm gonna I'm gonna take this in the direction that you boys are going to most appreciate and that's uh you know David you mentioned that you were at uh you were at the match uh against against Hall City yeah Mighty City I you know as far as the chatter on my end there was a lot of Doom and Gloom in regards to the summer window for leads you you're having this Mass Exodus of some really solid players luckily you kept uh neonto uh and you brought in uh who is it I got it written down here somewhere I got notes get your notes out uh you guys signed uh you guys signed a Jaden Bogel or is it boel I have no idea it's B Manor Salomon is the one that I know uh this this guy ramazani uh he's five foot six and yet his name is Larie yeah it makes no sense to me uh and then you got Tanaka and then another guy on loan uh Joe gowell uh everyone I mentioned got time against Hall City two of which got starting you know they got to start uh Jaden Bogle and uh and and in Manor Solomon I believe played significant amount plus everybody else got 10 to 20 minutes yeah what' you see what' you like uh you know what it when you go along to any games especially the way things are and have been at least for years there's always a little sense of interpration that maybe things are going to to the crapper yet again uh H but I think at the end of the transfer window we actually made some good signings and you're not going to replace certain players for me it was sad to see Arie greo obviously because he's a homegrown boy uh CH uh Somerville yeah you're going to miss him but do think he's a sort of player that can be replaced uh to me rter was the big uh loss because he's such a showman and everything and he's a lovable character uh however uh they made some good signings especially very late in the window and there was an a sense of expectation I think in the in the crowd that day people seemed up on it because they had a good uh result against Wednesday good performance performance and and from the off you know it looked special man of Solomon you could see he's a level above uh and the football was very good we lost our way a little bit in the first half uh and then in the second half of course we got the early goal uh and to be honest apart from a couple of times in the game hle never really threatened the goal that much uh and it was a good performance and when the other Lads came on yeah you could see they are they are a level up they are a definite level up so I think exciting times are coming quite frankly fantastic uh Tom what are your thoughts on the on on what you saw on what is it last Saturday uh there's not really much I can say that's that different from David because I'm I'm sure with respect to him I'm sure we both saw the same game um in context that the talking points but um yeah I mean as as as you alluded to earlier with the transfer window uh we've had a lot worse transfer Windows especially in consideration from the position we were in in it at one point uh very few teams would would have ever uh sold like 150 million pounds worth of talent like a Bridget whether it's factually true or not but um I think we done well to recover from the position that we were potentially in with the the S and the results that were around that time we've recovered from it um I I think potentially in future we're going to look back at that West Brom game as a key game in what is possibly going to be a good season because the the best don't get me wrong obviously the best outcome would have been that we go to West Brom win 3-0 but considering we' sold our best attacking options that was very unlikely to happen so farc went for the next best thing of we're going to a team that you were going to almost certainly see as a top six team at the end of the season and just don't let them score which then I I I could be wrong here but I think that turned the frustration onto Carlos corbran more than far because the owner then became why didn't you try to beat That League United team that were on the ropes cuz AR he didn't try to beat us he was he and Daniel F should have should have just shook hands before the game saved us all a lot of time and then walked off because that's how the game played that and I know we're talk about different match now but I think in hindsight we will look back on that as a key result because that stopped the rot of a team that had conceded six goals in two games yeah yeah yeah to have now not conceded any goals in three games say what you were about rhod on like having ropey moments but he had ropey moments that we haven't conceded from to be honest the game against Hull he's not back to his best at the moment uh but he's he's a class player he'll come back you know I mean it's it is what it is the the guy that he was up against he was a monster he was a monster and he he just I mean if you're going to bash Roden then you you're a big lad aren't you and he did he did uh I tell you what was what is very noticeable at the back uh stra through it however you wish to pronounce his name uh absolute class never put a foot wrong the way he reads the game everything very calm and assured on the ball uh it was good it was good it's it's good football being played I mean the first half it a it was exciting without making any real is at the end you know in the final third uh of course we did get the disallowed goal but again H were really well drilled defensively really well drilled uh so they will be up there they'll be up there come the end of the season they'll be mixing it up for a playoff position for sure I would think uh don't be put off because of the way they play the game see they were well drilled uh yeah that we broke him down this time you know yeah I wouldn't hold anything you know I mean a lot of the leads fan base that I follow on on Facebook and on Twitter or whatever we call it x uh has just like the first two games were very very rough the the the carabal cup uh result was very very rough and it was a lot of Doom and Gloom and a lot of far out and all all this that and the other thing I was just like dude I if if if if you're saying that this is going to be indicative of what the table is going to look like Sheffield Wednesday is gonna be promoted and we certainly know two weeks later that that is not the case but my my my question is is it it you know the the amount of of uh Championship matches that I get I get to watch is very very limited uh and and I wish that they literally go with the popularity uh of these teams in in in my house that's that's what they should broadcast just those games and and I certainly don't get to see Leeds play and I'm very interested in hearing your guys's thoughts on of these new sanes who who was who is like who shown who who is like yeah I'm excited about that dude Solan you know Solomon is that it I know Solomon I don't know these other guys I mean ramani as well ramazan my God is he quick yeah yeah but I heard Solomon is the fourth fastest player in the Premier League which probably makes him the fastest player in the championship yeah I'd now like to see him I'd now like to see him in a race against ramazani right you know I would like to see that because that would probably lead to tears when one or both of them get injured and I'll be sit why did why did our to race each other maybe maybe I'll give I'll give you an example uh ramazani I think it was a loose pass I don't think he got tackled I think it was a loose pass he lost the ball anyway and hole broke quickly and ramazani he seemed to just eat up the ground must have run about 40 50 yards tackles the ball back um I mean cre Somerville was quick no he looks slow compared to this lad this lad is frighteningly quick great touch great touch I mean this was the thing about uh Solomon ramazani uh Tanaka well they their classes they're they're too good for the championship I'm saying that now hey man that that's fantastic because you guys kind of found them from like lesser leagues right I mean uh TOA coming from dorf they're they're like a level two or tier two in in in the Bundesliga uh ramazani is in La Liga 2 uh from alaria I don't know means means nothing to me but I do know because I did my homework because Loo's not here to carry me carry me over shoulder fireman style God damn him having children wife that works I don't know tell I mean Joe Rothwell well he's he's just a classy at that level he's a classy player he OES time on the ball uh what's great about him he he knows where he's going to pass the ball before it comes to him yeah well I mean it's one touch and gone again he's the more seasoned veteran right he's he's kind of been he's been passed around more often than a than a Snoop Dog joint he's gonna be the guy off the bench who comes on just to steady the whole thing down yeah in the last 15 20 minutes he's got his place in the team and it's a very important Place uh yeah but yeah some of the football I mean it it was slick it was slick yeah it reminded you of the old blsa day oh wow doesn't I guess I gotta try and uh find some sort of bootleg Army channel that that will broadcast all the Champions League or the championship uh pman plus from not but not every match you know or maybe I think I actually think when if I'm not mistaken uh Leeds played City at the same time slot as as wolves now I should probably watch a better Squad but I I I gotta watch I gotta watch The Wolves gotta watch gotta watch The Wolves we did we did draw against I do know our next game is a m for you it'd be morning kickoff we play any any chance that I could can see the ever so hunky manager of Scott Parker uh I I've noticed that since he is no longer in the Premier League he's kind of dressing down he's not as you know wearing the the the the million dooll suits and the the High Caliber uh sweaters that he normally does uh getting bit Coop there Scoops over him in five minutes i' seen five minutes in my life and he's the best footballer I've ever seen Scott Parker abass man but just he's not that great of a manager uh all right so so here's here's the thing for you guys the next five weeks you got you got you got near the top of the table Burnley you got near the bottom of the table Cardiff you got Coventry City who you did not beat last year uh Norwich uh Norwich on the road and then back at southernland Sunderland which I also want to for you guys that's a nasty fix list those two games if I remember rightly correct me if I got this wrong it's Norge away and then Sunland away but one Tuesday night and one correct and then one's a Friday you are you are three of four away uh with with Coventry at home uh Burnley at home but then the other three away how many points you guys getting from this you guys Canna you know I don't see you getting off 15 but then I don't see you I don't see you may be losing any of these I'd I'd be satisfied with conservative at worst 10 because of nature of the awaii fixtures because that is a that is a dirty pairing because for some reason why can't Sky put us again put us at Sunland at 3:00 on a Saturday afternoon that'd be lovely that'd be absolutely lovely but cold so many cold nights in Stoke in the championship and they always make sure that their night games [ __ ] winds me up I think anyway I think what we've got to do is also see how Sunderland come back after they've started off really well uh they don't seem to be missing Clark and we've got to see how they come back after this International break because it does seem to have an effect sometimes on clubs uh so we'll see how that goes I mean I personally I will not be happy if we don't get 12 or more points wow okay I I think that might be a little ambitious I do think that sets the bar High be ambitious Mark you just have to be I'm not stand out because I'm not saying out of arrogance I mean I'm saying it as in I wish I had the confidence to say like David we'll get four wins right but I'm playing it more safer because that's kind of what I do um but um I still think if you get 10 points out of every five sets of games you you'll still finish quite high so yeah very yeah I think maybe maybe because I've haven't been at the game and obviously when you watch on TV and when you at the game you see different things uh and I was watching I don't know always watch where the ball is I'll watch off the ball and things like that uh and I I have to say I was really impressed really impressed and everybody knows I'm not Daniel fa's biggest fan but you know it's his team this year he's had his pre-season he's now got the players in I mean he he wanted to knocka what was that a year ago or 18 months ago something like that the only reason we didn't get him because he was injured at that time we pulled out of that uh just so the pressure is on him you know and from what I saw the other day I was like yeah I'm liking what I see but I know there's going to be challenges what I I saw the Burnley game before I watched the leads game it was on the big screen outside uh Burnley got raped of their players late on in the transfer window I don't think they've managed to really replace got I think I think there was a number of signings but like it was like almost they didn't impress impress what I saw uh it was almost Forest esque where I think they signed like 15 players at the deadline or something like that I'm not really sure don't know how you integrate that many players uh in in your squad but I just I one of the things that I'm hopeful for is uh when when when uh when Leeds plays at home home they get themselves a holographic Freddy Mercury and whenever Tanaka takes the field you've got you got Freddy Mercury with her hey yeah that was good the fact is he had he had his chant as soon as he came on the pitch there was a chant for him you know so he he he's got to do something really bad not to become like a mini Legend this season I think M you know and he started off the right way I think he he uh completed more passes than hold did on the time that he was on the just him individually he competed more passes than hold did during that time that he was on the pitch you know uh but he's good he's good he's got a long way he's got a long long way to go David before he displaces Junior furo in in my fandom I'll tell you that yeah yeah yeah I mean I'm open I'm open he can he can earn the spot he won't but for you and me Tom for you and me Tom there's there's Junior and that's it everybody else is just a a bit part player yeah in in this theater didn't didn't furo no no no fur's cross for the second goal yeah so but who was it it was was it was it R ramazani for for for nonto which Speaking of which did he get hurt apparently with the Italians yeah I've heard conflicting reports I've heard a conflicting report today from this is on YouTube somebody say knowing somebody in the club uh who said no he's apparently he's not injured oh okay so it's just it's just more of that that that fake news what I am hoping for in that and I I I I dig out Premier League players this all the time I hope he's pretending he's injured so he doesn't play in their next game and just comes on the under yeah the under 21s have they got another game I imagine they probably have this period yeah they have I've got the entire I've got the D bear with me I've got the entire list of international games so I've been covering it for the uh will Lely channel do excuse me uh so uh yeah so they play yeah yeah on on Tuesday that it Italy under 21 play Norway at 5:30 p.m. in the UK basically they had they had won that game really the other day won s so yeah so I mean you come off and and preserve the player a little bit for the next game I think that's something you know what this season with leads just getting back on to them very quickly is that the we might not have those individual moments of flare that we had last season especially with Rutter uh but what we've got is a better rounded higher quality uh with depth in the squad that's what I feel and when you see those players come me if you i' been a whole city Defender the other day I would have cried seeing this lot coming off the bench you know and I think that's we may see this season I think Mr far will be maybe not making his substitutions that much earlier but he knows that he can bring the players Off the Bench he's got confidence in them and everything and I think maybe the minutes will be spread out a little bit more evenly to keep everybody honed up to a certain level and he knows he can bring players on I think he's got more he's got more at his in his grasp to be more tactical yeah that was something that um you know as far as like last season it seemed that you know farc seemed to feel that like well this is what I got this is what I got to work with yeah now with this new influx of players that he's and and had a bit you know a bit more understanding on what his team can do uh is that he it seems like there's going to be more I'm hoping for a a kind of a more of a you know stirring of the pot so to speak you know it's like okay I know this is I want to add this this is when I want to bring this person in you know that sort of thing what what I think is I think last year could be wrong because don't I don't personally know Daniel far uh but um I believe he had such faith in his first 11 or his Core group of players that I think he got angry when we went behind so he' he'd almost delay the substitutions as in a challenged them like I'm pissed off at you you I [ __ ] laid out the tactics on you [ __ ] carry you [ __ ] get us of this [ __ ] that's what I think it was a bit like because I think his his ultimate plan with substitutions rightly or wrongly um wrongly in the moments where we actually needed it to not be the case but was actually being front in the game towards the end of the game is when he would actually waste the clock with the substitutions right not Daniel show me show me some if anyone can look at you the way Daniel F looks at an 88 minute substitution then you're doing all right in life he loves an 88 minute substitution it he loves it is very very true and it is a substitution that just never I have to think about it long and hard before it makes sense to me it's like why are you bringing someone in at the 96th or the 86th minute to play maybe 12 minutes tops I I just what what the guy the you're substituting out can't suck it up for 12 more minutes you you you have a especially when it's like a thre nil lead you're like ah let's get this guy and let's make him happy you know we've got we've got some contractual obligations to you know we gota have make sure he plays maybe he's on loan I'm not really sure but Tom uh it was a bit of a funny thing that you had just said and it made me think you had said that like that you didn't know Daniel far personally and I'm thinking to myself I look at him and he is not a guy that I see myself having a beer with or or wanting to have as my neighbor or anything like that I I I look at him and I just like I I just want to stay as far away as possible from you and I know this makes absolutely no sense but but when you said that I just couldn't help it to think myself because there are managers out out there that like I I I would want to have a pint with and you know my guy is is is you know sha d That's the guy I want to have I want to have lots of beers with and I want to get in a fight with him on my side come on folks you know I I I I really don't know where that was going but all the same it went um but no you're right sorry mate I was just going to say it only came to my mind watch you two guys were rabbiting on about having Cups of Tea and and beers and all that with managers you know uh yeah he has his tea and Kate doesn't he on his sofa in the evening to celebrate uh yeah no Mato Joseph superb superb even when things won't quite going his way he is a thorn in the uh opponent's side uh and he never stopped and to to be honest not a lot has been said about how well he finished that that goal that was a superb effort he was slightly ahead of the post his run to the front post was fantastically timed uh he hangs off Defenders a little bit giving himself a couple of yards space so that once he decides to make a move he's already going you a quick uh that was a superb finish uh and he had the first right he had the first I I agree David um yeah first pain it pains me to say it as a lead fan but you when I tell you we've seen that chance created multiple times in the last five years and there's one man you know who misses that chance every every single time it happen let's let's not even bring him up I'm not I'm not here to dig him out I'm not here dig out Patrick Bamford at all but Joseph finished first time a shot that Patrick Bamford had missed from two yards out multiple times and I'm just glad it went in for once yeah I think you know also as well when Piro came on yeah I think the two of them could actually play quite well together you know uh because uh Joseph is is a pain in the ass uh you know if you're an opposition uh and he's going to keep you very very busy which of course then if you if he's occupying the uh defense that allows space and I think buau of course he will exploit the the space and if he gets the ball he's a very good finisher I mean that goal uh aadu and Rhoden were celebrating it as soon as as he got the ball you know there was no doubt in the crowd he was going to score player who you want that ball to fall to he has missed chances everyone misses chances but generally speaking you would rather that ball fall to him then Bamford as hard that is to say yeah and again I'm not digging out Patrick Bamford but the fact of the matter is who is the one that routinely scores 20 goals for other teams in Championship it's Joe puru that's why how many goals did he get last year he still got a load last year didn't he was it 14 13 I think he had like double dig he got a very healthy total for someone that didn't play at all somewhere between 11 and 14 it was something like that yeah I wanted to say it like 12 and you guys brought him in in in the in the in December right no we B him beginning the previous Seas beginning of the previous season okay yeah beginning of last year we bought him uh but yeah I earlier on in the game he he had a shot and he dranked it a little bit but even with that it was like yeah no he's done the right thing there he's had a shot you know and that was something that we seem to be scared of doing last year was having shots yeah you know and already you can see a little bit of a difference there's a bit more uh I think there's more desperation to score no no I think it's more confidence is that they're can I have a go I wouldn't say it's desperation they more the players seem more confident to have a crack this year where last year we seemed scared of losing the ball I think with it why I've say desperation is more I think they've looked at IP switch last year and felt like a lot of Ip switch's games were won because like you can't win the lottery unless you buy a ticket so we're buying a [ __ ] lot of tickets yeah if you don't going to score last season we were trying the I know it's like the IT Crowd and all that make joke all time oh Arsenal just want to walk the ball into the net I feel last year there was an element that georgino rout and somville wanted to score a goal rightly or wrongly where they did like a 26 pass move between the two of them of onews and then one of them like spin back Hills the ball into the GOL the difference is I'd like Gein rout to have scored a goal where he just shot it like a normal human being and went in he weren't [ __ ] much cop at that in all fairness to him and yeah I am throwing him under the bus cuz he brought my heart when he left cuz he still could have turned around said I don't care that I I don't care that they activated a release Clause I want to play for this club now in in reality do I think he was right to go of course he was because he has a responsibility to his family to make as much money as he can in place the time that he's a professional footballer but for me personally I think your development would have been served a lot better playing first team football at Legion T night but but that might be our game we'll find out come may but anyway yeah you know that's that's a question that that I I have during this whole like transfer process and and and in the windows and all is that you know obviously there's built into a contract of the release Clause if that release Clause is meant is that does that mean that you are obligated to go no no no player has to say yes the player can say no and it it means basically essentially you are basically then the club can't stop you and that's that's the only real okay the player then can say I want to go and the club can't say no you can't because they've agreed to a specific number and if that number is met that's it right it has always kind of struck me as Odd as far as how negotiations in in football or soccer goes compared to American Sports where the club is just like yeah [ __ ] you goodbye and and you see players like in the clubhouse when they're notified sometimes during matches you know our games you're not coming in because you've been you've been traded you're you're going to you're going to to to Toledo the Toledo Mud Hens and you just see them just like you know start crying and and it's it's very very ruthless here in the states and and it seems a little bit more civilized overseas where it's just like a little more of a of an agreement you know of course I'm that was like L when when we told him this week you're not on the show he started [Laughter] crying the can I just say MK it's not like that at all trust me if the club wants to sell you you're going I mean you look at look at Connor Gallagher at Chelsea he didn't want to go he didn't want to go Chelsea got shot what they do the clubs are ruthless absolutely ruthless and they will sideline players and everything and they will make it intolerable for that player to remain there if that player tries to dig the Hills hello Lawrence okay so is it's very very Cutthroat don't think that the clubs are nice to players this is the thing which I don't a lot of fans I think don't really uh appreciate is that clubs are ruthless most of the time the clubs are ruthless what as soon as they're done with your services that's it that's quite a story BX yeah sadly it seems to run the opposite uh in some cases as I've you know did you hear about this David and Mark a guy there's a kid from Leon who basically he was on loan at Leon last season so Leon made it a permanent transfer in the summer so Leon paid money to make this loan permanent and then a month later or so might have even be weeks later I don't know the numbers um they then basically accepted an offer from Fulham and the kid turned up at Fulham got really upset at the um at the medical and basically disappeared and no one's seen him since oh my God he was that upset because he didn't want to leave leyon yeah the the the strangest part is the fact that why are you shipping off a player you've literally just pay to buy because GNA make more money on him yeah yeah that's it that's what I mean about clubs a Cutthroat if they can make a buck on them yeah you know it it there's a lot more power now to the players that they never had before uh and when you listen to some of the stories of previous Pros like Ian Wright and people like that getting forced out the clubs uh trust me you know I mean Ferguson was the there your shining example isn't it you know you one minute you'd be a hero at uh the theater of Screams and then the next minute you were gone theater of Screams that I that doesn't sound fun I don't want to go there the theater of having a boot thrown in your face theater of Barre and assd milk cheeks I don't I'll still remember the like Ian right is a great Storyteller to be fair to him no idea if any of these are true but I've no re real reason to believe this one is not he told story of how the moment he knew his days were numbered at Arsenal and it was mainly because Aron wer came in and everyone knows he changed the culture of Arsenal Football Club for the better some would say but obviously they still had a a drinking culture where basically Ian right as long as he was scoring goals he could be a he wanted um I get the impression he was n particularly rude or anything to anyone but he definitely took a scooter into the training complex uh one of them not motorized but like you know a scooter like child scooter I'm guessing it was and basically he was like as a square or Circle whatever but um anyway and he crashed the scooter into the one person he didn't want to crash the scooter into he crashed it into aren Winger to which aren Winger picked himself up and he was like I'm sorry Gaff and all that and he went Ian you really shouldn't be riding a scooter around the training complex and that's when Ian right knew he was going to get sold at the earliest opportunity he was like he's betrayed the professionalism of the club yeah that wer was trying to instill yeah right I think also it was known that righty wasn't the best trainer shall we say fair enough that was from MTH being right in I in I I only know Ian right from from like being a commentator I I don't know much after he was a great player Mark I I'm sure he was and I I I look forward to many many years of uh watching uh really great football so that when I'm in when I when I lose my mental capacity and I I look look back fondly upon uh upon the uh the folks that are playing now and I'm sure I'll shout out at some point as I'm getting my medication f i don't when did you say when yeah when when now y'all know I have trouble with words words are hard but anyway folks we are uh approaching our 1 hour mark and uh it's it's time for this old guy to uh have a little bio break uh when we come back we will have a betting in the dark with Mr Tom maybe we'll talk about uh about this H Phantom signing of Mauricio poino for the US Men's National Team which I actually don't think is gonna happen uh and then uh perhaps if uh L uh comes on that uh you can watch him and I argue about whether or not the sending off of Dean rice was warranted which it was byot way I well you know we're gonna save that for the for the next hour uh and I'm sure it will get heated uh as all things Arsenal and McKenzie's uh that's me uh tend to be so so director John I'm gonna let you choose whatever uh whatever uh the bio break you want to throw you want to do pay the money that'd be great uh if you want to do the Bandy show clip that'd be great uh whatever you choose uh but uh but in the meantime grab yourselves another beverage relieve yourself grab yourself a little a little snack and we'll be back in just a few minutes and I want to bring in a special guest he's pissed off at Leeds United but the [ __ ] is rocking his kit and his Bandy fori all right man I hope you guys are all right go we're here on a Friday night we're here with the St cood this makes me happy this this reinvigorates me well you know I'm here drinking rum because uh listen the amount of arguments I've had with leads fans this week and it's all been about this Jesse Marsh you know that man I mean my God I ask my wife she's got more sense than this man the things that he has come out with he is tying the players hands behind their backs right um this so I have notes because I lose my train of thought so easily um another thing that was it already sorry go go on B yeah yeah very easily very easily so this is a man that likes to talk anybody that will listen to him Sky Sports Talk Sports BT Sports anybody that will listen to him and we've heard him say on many occasions that he wants more aggression from the players it's like any other any team is at the halfway line before we even engage in R listen listen Ben right you remember when um we lost B and Marsh came in and the soup had a show and invited a few us few of us on to talk about what we are feelings what did I say I said well the onlyest thing cuz I was so upset to lose beela I said the only thing really is that Marsh may come in and play two Center forwards and be a aggressive in that way but we've not seen that we we don't get over the halfway line he he was so glad to come to leads right he's so glad because he could have gone anywhere else so many different jobs he could have had he said he could have been the USA national team coach what a what a prun face P CER what a prac p CER you can put whatever you like as side Ben I will not no I get no no benen no Ben the man talk a good fight I'm thinking to myself is there something wrong with me I'm watching the games and I can see the flaws and yet I don't hear no noise from the fans is there something wrong with me and I'm saying what what foolishness is this listen to this listen to this right look there's an apple tree right the best apples are at the top now you can get a stick and throw the stick at the at the apples at the bottom or you can climb us to to try and get the the apples that you could reach but they all got magnets in them they're rubbish the best apples at the top you go higher the best apples at the top as you said Ben you you set your goals higher so you might get not get the apples at the top but you're going to get something you're going to get something better than the maggoty ones at the bottom hold on Bandy do you do you have notes yes he's like next slide please next slide exactly exactly people were saying about 150 an hour my wife can put that into a power B exactly my wife can do that too that's what she does now because we didn't pay the money because we didn't pay the money yes Ben wouldn't pay the kiss me ass money right yes L you have you have to write something for that pay the kiss me ass money right and that's what happened you can't blame Bela for that well all right all right all right um that is something that I'm going to remember for the rest of my days um is when people ask me why I didn't do something I will say you didn't pay me the kiss my ass money you know and I and I know that and every time I see that clip I see I say the same thing to myself and it cracks me up and everyone says that I'm getting it wrong but you know what I'm gonna take my misunderstanding of the phrase and run with it but to where he says what I think is runed face punk rocker I absolutely love that absolutely [ __ ] love that anyway welcome back to uh the second half or the the second half of on the stoop with lo I am not Lo I'm just little just little oh me trying to run this show the best I can um I am I'm baffled on on what might be coming up on betting in the dark with Mr Tom as there is nothing of interest for me to bet on so I'm gonna rely on Tom here but before we do that I want to know is that psycho Sid in the cup it's exactly so said yes sir yes sir that is who's deceased yes yes he did he did leave us as did Sergio Mendes as of yesterday [Music] um and then uh wasn't there like some uh some worthwhile and beloved uh footballer in the last week I think he played Saul balla Sala Sal Bamba there seemed to be while I had never heard of him before uh there seemed to be a lot of uh different chanels uh leads wolves this that and the other thing uh all paying tribute and it was all very touching because that's something that I really love um and it it to say that I love it is is is maybe it's not the best way to phrase it but you know you don't you don't see like the tributes that English football and and football in general pay to not only players and managers but equipment managers and fans you know and it's it it's it's really touching how everybody just kind of like rallies around it's like oh we had this you know we had this person haven't missed the game in 20 years and they passed and so we're gonna have a a moment of silence for them you knower that no one hired no one position H because is very rare and I know this will sound like hyperbolic but it's very rare like for example if I if if um if something happen to Harvey barns or Ashley barns tou would there doesn't don't hate him but he just sort played that if I then sat here and went no one hated Ashley bonds I'd be lying because a lot of people do [ __ ] hate Ashley bonds whereas he's got he's got the sort of face you want to slap exactly exactly it's the face only mother love and but but in all in all seriousness in all seriousness but so B was a play played hard played Fair um no one never did anything that everyone's like I [ __ ] hate that guy it was the sort of guy you wanted on your te fair fair enough but but so here in America we have a organization that is for like terminally ill kids or disadvantage kids and it's called it's the Make A Wish Foundation do you have something like that in in over there no no it just called the Make A Wish Foundation UK yeah I believe I believe that'd be an English variation of it um isn't it the Arsenal support group probably oh but I gotta tell you you know I mean just like like like Ashley and Harvey Barnes both just look like two people that just reached out to the Make A Wish Foundation said I really want to play football kind of like Eli Manion for the for the New York Giants they are good footballer like in all seriousness I don't really wish them harm that was not my point my point my point was obviously more the fact that if I then started talking about our Ashley barns was a great lad he was a great human being stuff I'd be lying because I've wanted to punch him in the face multiple times when watching him in a football match against my club and why do we say that why do we say that we say that because actually he's a real pain in the ass when he was when he was at his best he was a handful he was a pain in the ass and he's always moaning he's got that snil to him and so it's a face you want to smack although he probably smack your back and that's the problem right yeah yeah yeah I mean that's that's the way I the way I feel about um Antonio Ruger I [ __ ] hate rudiger absolutely hate him but I would take him on wolves in a heartbeat yeah because that's kind of guy I want on my squad I want that non nonsense [ __ ] you I'm gonna hurt you and come what may but I'm gonna do it in such a crafty way as Tom Mr Tom would say the dark arts anyway speaking of Mr Tom Let's uh let's kick off betting in the dark with that handsome fellow sitting next to Psycho said B in the dark with Mr come on Love play you [ __ ] sorry at first I thought you were saying I thought you were talking about sirel but um makes sense um now in all Ser I haven't had a pint with sirel yet so I'm I'm not really sure you know his ins and outs there I wouldn't advise it he gets a bit rowdy if he has a Sherry or something and by that I mean a p a Sherry anyway um uh I've gone a bit left field obviously slim pickings for the international break because there it's not really a lot of money to be made on the international break because you know it's basically I think Portugal going to beat svenia 70 or something like that and uh and even then you'd probably win about four quid unless you picks Cristiano Ronaldo to get all seven of them or something like that but if you would not mind director John who kindly put it together we're going into League one rexam can you actually do League one in uh on fando um you know with these obviously rexam is a high-profile Squad regardless of where they sit in whatever League because there's so much money being pumped behind them and they're The Darlings of Hulu and they're owned by God know you know Deadpool and and and whatever the guys one you one by Ryan Reynolds and the guy that guy it's it's kind of like uh when when pep was like the Korean guy it's like the guy from the show yeah but Rob Mack and en is not likely to score a goal against y whereas saying that to a guy that could actually score a goal against you was a rare misstep from Pep in my opinion why are you providing additional motivation to Korean guy who can actually beat your team uh it was a good feeling very naive very naive and pep should have known that even before he learned that lesson know the names of their players anyway I've got Jack marott to score first olle Palmer who ironically played a bartender in Deadpool 3 because apparently it pays to know Ryan Reynolds and a lot people basically like oh why have you go why have you gone to Rex them instead of to like a club that can pay you more money or something it's like they they talk about the projects and like the opportunities like just say you want to meet an actor and possibly become his mate just say that just just I know it is it's one of my bug Bears it's like just just tell the truth you wanted to meet Deadpool there's no shame in it there's no shame in it you're still GNA get six grand a week or whatever like whatever the go you'll get more than the going rate in League one they're very generous down in rexam apparently right people have said but yeah and the reason I've not picked Paul Malin is because I wanted us to pay slightly more than next to nothing because doesn't earn any money if you pick Paul M I tried I tried when you're ready to move on sorry Tom can I just ask a question it's not actually on the bet him but it is to do with uh League One have you any idea why there's so many games that are postponed is it because of the international break yes that's exactly right um because uh most of the teams tend to have like one player picked or something like that which is Grands to have the game postponed paying for some yeah yeah yeah okay I only know I only know that because um I was at work and I had the Sky Sports News on and it came up randomly like Lon Orient versus whoever they were meant to be playing postponed due to International call-ups now I can't imagine Lon Orient or their opposition each have five players picked so I'm surmising that even if they have one or two yeah that gets the game called off I could be totally wrong it's just my guess but yeah okay cool uh if you would not mind director John going on to the next one and this is more for director John than anything because I know he loves using that this particular what would you call it um the Photoshop and all that to add add swinden town the musical the musical anyway and yeah I've and uh swinden to win two they're not favorites for this game but I've fa I've got my Fai for our favorite musical done and uh yeah and I'll pick Paul glat to score first because he's the only one I recognized more based off him scoring against leads I believe in the first game after lockdown for Cardiff so now he's got it in him to score because he'll score when he [ __ ] don't want him to Hey look it's l yo what's up fellas get get your get your FanDuel out or whatever you use we're we're betting on swind Town the music snd town the musical let's do it with with music done by XTC and Dominic for Barrow but favorite I just yeah we add into it and finally if you don't mind John lovely jubly England will win 3-1 I'm being very generous Bono giving giving you a goal but um sack's going to score first no do sacko is but um s sacko will Score first and Bin will score at some point because again there's no money in picking har kanane none none none at all unless you pick him score free none hello brownie good to see you buddy um yeah who's managing Republic of Ireland now Tom uh I have no idea I have no idea because I know they sacked the guy and I imagine you Ireland's not the uh what's the word I imagine they're not the most sought after football um Club to manage uh Ireland football team a look find it Ed coach is currently hmer H margaron oh my God never heard of him uh well he managed first time okay tell a li he has managed he he managed the Ireland oh sorry he managed the Iceland team that beat England at euro2 16 right yeah yeah yeah okay okay to which he then he then spent he then spent three years in international retirement with alha Rabbi where he presumably made a shitload of money before then deciding I fancy being a Jer Man follow my language oh he also managed the women's thing in Iceland of course anyway um actually I I know what I'm talking about with the Ireland man is that game when is that game on it's at 5:00 P PM Saturday tomorrow yeah on um on ITV in England because uh they finally got the International Football off Channel 4 our American comp that's a fairly big deal something to watch tomorrow great did you uh put together odds for the uh us uh uh Canada match at all I didn't I didn't but I can do right now what would you want uh Jesse Marsh to have his pants pulled down on the uh on the pitch and uh be beaten uh 72 to four just CA I'm more myself that I actually got up the app that I use to calculate all this thinking I was going to get a serious question then you're like Jesse Mar I'm like a [ __ ] wasting my time language sorry sorry didn't it didn't uh Mar's lot beat your lot in in some sure yeah we're we are absolutely terrible um yeah I I don't even think that um I don't even think that uh that pochettino is going to be the answer for us uh I think it's I think the timing is terribly wrong um you know we we're already qualified for the World Cup I mean we're gonna make an appearance people are going to see our players they're going to see what we do um and it just do you don't you don't qualify do you you you are host that's it you qualif as a host we qualify yeah yeah okay I meif a free pass isn't it we don't we don't qualify for the for the obviously beyond the elimination rounds but we definitely qualify for the World Cup which you know we you know it's Hit or Miss for for what I find interesting about obviously you're going to get more countries in it that either usually don't qualify or are usually just off the C for qualifying but would not qualify they'd lose the playoffs It generally open up um but I think obviously compared to the last World Cup which feels really weird because it only actually about 16 months ago but um I'm wrong with it don't know why I said that um Canada Mexico United States Men's National Team uh obviously were the qualifiers so you getting the virtue of the uh The Host box as to say has opened it up for a lot of teams that will actually really fancy their chances of qualify right in fact Jamaica fancy their chances so much they're actually going to try an experiment where they actively hire Steve McLaren to be their manager to try and not qualify they are that certain that they should qualify they're actually going to try to lose matches with Steve McLaren Greenwood has greenw Greenwood now gone to Jamaica is that right it's yeah but he should be G to prison anyway sorry what yeah yeah yeah yeah I know but yeah yeah yeah it is Jamaica isn't it he he was involved he he he you know I mean he he faced the the investigation and gu although we although although we are in a society where you are innocent until until proven guilty we've all seen the video and the pictures and I think it does prove to an extent that just because you weren't F just because you weren't found guilty doesn't mean you didn't do it no I you know I mean I guess I guess I did I did not see the pictures because I didn't want to to participate in that I didn't I didn't think it was my place to see them but maybe I'm maybe I'm putting on the blinders I don't really know um age but he was accused and you know was found not guilty I guess I don't know all without scores yeah he wasn't found not guilty was he he just wasn't taken the C over it right yeah I don't cond that of by the way everyone yeah get super serious over it I also believe in in I also believe in due process and no there must be a reason why he was that found unfort well she withdrew her complaint that's why yeah yeah because I I presume again not speaking for her but I presume her and her family took one look at this and was like you know you probably stand to actually make more money in life if you don't proceed with this but she's with him now she's back with him yeah that's what I mean okay okay yeah so it is what it is I mean it's of those situations I cannot wrap my head around no but the cycle is is is is real all right Tom last Mr Tom last uh last one here well as I started the trend of doing so uh just got the combination of the threee picks to win no correct score just a win out right um swinden town the musical being an outsider at Barrow basically means you can actually net quite the profit not the profit of like when you include re ipswitch to beat Manchester City and things like that like that that is life changing sums of money this ain't changing anyone's life but it will change your Saturday night uh if it did win because then you'd be like well I can get a get a Chinese or something like like you get get put an egg fried rice on top of what you normally get or or get get yourself some chicken balls or something but but you you ain't calling him work on Monday just called rexam swinden Town Musical and England one like unfortunately sorry David sorry David is you you ain't calling in the in the uh the airport and being like sorry I want I did really well I'm betting on I'm not I'm not working in first now I'm traveling in it no it's not gonna not gonna happen I'm a self-made billionaire from betting in the dark yeah I just like to John picking putting the swind and T musical thing yeah hey I I still want to reach out to um oh [ __ ] what is his name not Terry but uh who's the other uh Andre Partridge from xdc and just reach out to him with this like fictional uh script of yeah we want to do swind in town the musical and we want you to to contribute the music of XTC to to all this two out of three but obviously Swindon is the one that you bit can I i' just like to can I just thank Tom for for these bets because I've i' been a bit remiss of me because normally I'm quite good on all the different divisions and tiers and everything but you've opened my eyes I never realized that Barrow were back in the football league yeah and didn't realize how bad Swindon had become yeah you know it's a long day since uh Glenn hoddle was the manager there taking him up to the top flight and I can remember seeing Barrow upon furnace to give them the correct name uh against scun in the days when Kevin Keegan played for scun thought that's how old I am how frightening is that I'll tell you I'll tell you this David Barrow when they first got promoted I could be wrong it would have been the season we got promoted to the Premier League they got promoted from the conference I believe that's the case it might be a year out but they they were managed by Ian evet who now manages Bolton but he had them playing bable in in in what would you call National League conference now yeah but they they played it so well that they would unofficially termed Barrow Salona which I thought was quite enjoyable that's brilli because the only thing only thing it's got in common with Barcelona is that it it's got a coastline because otherwise Barrow is a [ __ ] hole isn't it Jesus oh man maybe one day I will be able to have uh a couple of months to spend in England and and and find that out for myself anyway that that was in the dark with Mr Tom uh and we we uh we forgot our little disclaimer is that you take these bets at your own risk um and seriously no one should ever take us seriously um especially when it comes to your hard-earned cash um all right so with about a half an hour to go in our show and maybe just a little bit of stoppage time stra best it is time uh to maybe talk about the elephant in the room we had it on our thumbnail maybe you're all here to hear about it uh but that is all this [Laughter] Brew about Dean rice getting sent off in a uh early season match against Brighton um you know I'm gonna start this off and and why not and I've had a I've Let the Smoke Clear and and and have really put on a lot of thought into into this and I'm not being you know this is not my hot take uh this is not me being a Arsenal troll or an arsenal hater but it's just how I see it and that's that Dean rice got exactly what he deserved now if we want to look at at at the very basis of it the the actual facts things that we can see uh from what happened Dean rice knew exactly what he was doing prior to what he did which was act like a child which was to show petulance pet petulance uh and and to do something that was quite unap likee of someone who was already on a yellow if my memory serves me correct and I've watched the video a number of times Dean rice looks back at the player who is trying to put the ball into play and kicks the ball out he [Music] prevents a uh you know a a a quick start to the to to to the match you know from a from a free kick perspective um he knew exactly what he was doing and he got caught now a lot of the chatter that I hear from Arsenal fans is that that that should never happen that should never happen because Brighton got away with it and then the next day when they're watching the the the weeks or the the the weekend matches oh this player got away with it and this player got away with it and this player got away with it you know what I hear I hear Arsenal fans acting childish because what I'm hearing is a little six-year-old kid saying well everyone else in the neighborhood is doing it why can't I and I know that that's an easy sell or or you know it's easy for me to say but here's here's really where I want to get to it Arsenal has aspirations to win the league and if they want to win the league they can't do [ __ ] like that that they can't act that way they do have to hold themselves higher than the referee and hire to the league because if they don't if they do [ __ ] like that they're gonna get caught they're gonna get the yellow card and in this case a second yellow for Dean rice sending him off uh and and and that's another thing that pisses me off is everyone's like oh you Dean rice got a red no he got two yellows that's what happened he knew exactly what he was doing and he didn't get away with it and if you want to be Champs you can't do that and it really [ __ ] jeopardizes you because you got the north London Derby coming up out you know next week and you know what Dean if I'm an Arsenal fan and I'm a you know they're one of my Mistresses I'm going to say it right now you're the captain you have to know that you're on a yellow card and you run a risk of being sent off by that action and if anything that's what pisses me off the most so uh gentlemen take it away Lo if you're out there listening get your ass on here I want to hear your two s word tell me I'm wrong tell me I am wrong Tom go ahead I'll let you start off you're wrong oh no oh you're wrong you're right but you're wrong I I my my my initial thought when I first saw it in all truth I will say I thought well that's a bit harsh he's knocked him over uh and he's got kicked from behind and I I thought it's a bit six and one half a dozen of the other I thought it was maybe it was a bit harsh like why have you sent him off for being kicked in the back of leg only then when I actually paid attention to it and I thought well he's literally knocked the ball out just it made only just be a touch but he's not the ball out of play which is a yellow card generally when you're caught doing it from a absolutely I can't prove this but it feels like he did it knowing he was gonna get kicked I don't I can't prove that because I can't prove that he's seen him coming but it feels like he did it and that was a bonus of it as in he took the hit and then was a bit like oh wait you're sending me off what the [ __ ] kind of thing but I don't care nearly enough about it to have an argument with an Arsenal fan like if they go it's not a red card I'll go that's fine I mean I believe it probably is two yellows like I don't know what the first yellow was for because I know Scooby asked it a couple of times I couldn't tell you because that would imply that I actually watch it I've only seen the actual incident that has created the debate right I I did see the the first incident uh but I can't remember what it was but I think it was just like a late challenge or something like that but it was a yellow it was a yellow it was a intentional trip or something like that it was a yellow uh and then it actually it's quite I think it's quite funny actually the whole incident because there's no doubt that Rice intentionally just knocked the ball to the side so that that free kick couldn't be taken minute he looks behind his shoulder well he doesn't even look he knows the ball the guy veltman gets up rolls the ball forward and it just touches dein Rice's heel yeah so he he he knows the ball's there and he just flicks it knowing that that will stop it stop play basically uh or stop stop play from being restarted should I say but the thing is veltman I believe he wasn't going to take a quick free kick but I think he knew that as soon as that ball hit Rice's Hill he was aware that Rice would knock the ball away so he quickly swung his leg as though he was going to take a quick free kick I think he was that quick in thought knowing that that would get rice booked and he could also clatter him at the same time absolutely absolutely sure why not and but my my point on the matter is is not necessarily the the the collection of events it was that we have we have a a a team that has a goal and we have a player that is a captain and the action was detrimental to their goal well you know that you're going to be looked at and you're going to be scrutinized and you know what you want to win you can't do [ __ ] like that and I'm not saying like like I'm not looking at the idea of of the officiating all I hear is children screaming Billy did it down the road why can't I Johnny did it too why can't I you know and it it's just like no that argument doesn't work um as far as like look as far as like the the the whole the whole the whole grasp of um of consistency yes we all want consistency in in refereeing but don't give the rough reason to pull out that card Mark if if D John could just do me f prop Scooby d2's comment it's a great comment because I about the city player the one about C player the reason I think this is a great comment because it highlights I could be wrong but I believe is asked with the intention of the emotional reaction of c are favored and the C player doesn't doesn't get a second yellow for that but I actually think the RO the better question is would a c player be stupid or arrogant enough to actually do that when they're already on a yellow yeah not what they're really good at one of the things that I'm getting at is what you're getting at but what man city are absolutely amazing at is they are great at taking a tactical yellow the Masters at it tactical yellow they call fernandinho was absolute king of them like I remember when he when he took out rafina when we were charging down on goal one of the rare times we had the ball during that game in that second half but and my point is more the fact of they are really good at doing they are not stupid enough do it they're already on the card They never do it second yellow I to bring that on when they're yellow and and why is that the reason why that is is because they know that pep would sit them asses down and they would lose their spot they would you know he's that person he's like no [ __ ] you I can put anybody in here and they'll do what I want and it will work and and that's how it will be you know and and and I'm sorry folks but Dean rice should have had the realization as a captain a captain your captain your leader to know that I run the risk I can't do that and not only did he lose you know he he missed valuable time against Brighton he will be out of the North London Derby which will be at London Stadium if I'm not mistaken can I I just want to say something on Scooby's uh assertation that it wasn't a yellow he committed an unnecessary foul he then went and kicked the ball away it's a yellow it's a yellow did chus I'm just becoming an Arsenal fan and an Arsenal team Jesus Christ if a lead I would be annoyed a leads player if a leads player kicked the ball out like that and took a yellow I'm annoyed that Dan James ran into the crowd after he scored because those yellow cards we are accumulating for celebrations because the emotion has taken over and I know it's a really harmless thing but there's going to come a time where that becomes a fif yellow card and we lose Dan James for a match all because he jumped in the crowd four times or whatever and that's could be really silly yeah don't worry Tom we've got ramazani now we're all right right right thank you thank you foraging my concerns but in all seriousness I'm just like but I'm sure you know what I'm really getting at is like it just avoidable yellow card I think Lo's charges right now are like holding him back he's like fighting to try and get in front of the computer and and and throw his two cents I don't think he is M I think he knows he just get absolutely hammered by us because you can't argue against that the fact is he knocked the ball away and that is it's it's a yellow card oh there he is oh yeah there we go I will say like La this time last not this time last week the match hadn't happened but six days ago I on Gary show I saw it for the first time I thought yeah that looks a bit harsh then I watched it again I actually paid attention to it and I was like yeah he's kick the ball away it's a yellow card laws of the game jellow card they talk about consistency he the referee consistently applied the laws of the game in that situation yeah and I've heard what about when the Brighton PL did it half hour before I like I haven't seen the Brighton PL do it half hour yeah he I me the Brighton play I think was very very it was a very very different Circumstance the ball went out of bounds he was charging it makes contact with the ball sure yellow well in this particular case in the case of rice you know rice looks back at the player turns his head and kicks the ball this is a bad time for me to join this conversation because [ __ ] all of you you're all wrong wow okay folks well um I guess I guess I guess there we have it the definitive answer from from Arsenal I wish I wish that um I wish that Stan the Man was here I wish that Gary was here I wish that Lonnie was here to hear them say [ __ ] you all [ __ ] uh but but again you know with you really want you really all those brownie says rice knew what he was doing all I need he knew and he did know and he is the Arsenal captain and you cannot when you're already on a yellow you can't jeopardize the points on the team my point my point mark is the fact he committed a foul and then he's compounded it by knocking the ball away it's stupidity of the highest degree dude yeah it was it was most certainly petulant my favorite bit of it all is that we're talking about it I don't really care if if we've if we've combin if we come to the consensus that it's not a yellow or or not a second yellow or not a red or whatever I don't care because uh pardon my my time keeping but about two hours later Le United one that's what I really care [Laughter] about and there he absolutely James absolutely Cheers Cheers is what is just admittedly I did think it was harsh when I first saw it so I can't fair and I think a lot of us did but uh but at this point L I would like to uh yield the floor to you where there will be no argument will there be no counter question I you your F minute tie raade a silent or a quiet TI raade on how you feel about Declan rice and his sending off well I mean to me the big the biggest thing is you can say letter of the law all you want you can say um he knew what he was doing he knows this is all you want but in the end what we're doing is giving the referee an opportunity to do something or don't do something so in the end it is a choice from the referee to do something or not do something and we have heard in the past that we don't want referees to uh in to to influence the game by making these choices and that to me was such an inconsequential moment he's not kicking the ball he's not running over and kicking the ball away when somebody's about to kick this is literally a ball kicked at him and he pushes it off to the side am I wrong or was that what happened thank you very much I appreciate it all I'm saying is this was a moment where the referee gets to use their common sense a lot of times with handballs with penalties with [ __ ] all this [ __ ] you are not allowed to use common sense this was a moment to use common sense and go was that an actual yellow card offense and to me that that's where you run up to him and you go deck you [ __ ] [ __ ] you know I can give you a second yellow for that I'm not gonna because it was stupid and you barely touched it but deck you know you can get sent off for that and he goes oh [ __ ] you're right my bad let's keep playing football but this was him going I have no other choice I have no other choice I have no other choice I have to give you the frecking sick in your I have no other [ __ ] Choice like the [ __ ] that he is meanwhile at the end of the match bukayo Saka belts a ball in the like as hard as he can can just to get the referee to give him a yellow and he doesn't and bukay Saka goes see what I did there at the end of the game I kicked the ball as far as I could and they didn't give me a yellow card which means it's not always a yellow card so that referee had the option he had the choice sure and he decided that that was it two minutes into the second half okay of week three in the leue and I would like to add the same way that Dean rice on a yellow made the decision to do what he did knowing full what Mark which was what he prevented and deliberately prevented a free pick did he yeah the ball the ball came at him let me tell you something the ball came at him and hit his foot this this is where I that it's gonna get a little hot Mark if wolves did that on the free kick that Saka scored the second goal against Arsenal against wolves if wolves had done that you would have screamed for his head but instead in this particular case rice who's on a yellow looks over his shoulder and does something cheeky and doesn't get away with it and it's unfort Mark cannot Mark he looked over his shoulder he looked over his shoulder Mark if if you say that the referee made this decision Dean rice made this a decision as well and he did you see the kick that he did you saw the kick that the kick of the ball you saw the kick of of the ball Mark you do see the kick of the ball no I'm asking you did you see the kick of the ball okay was I at was I at the St no I'm asking you in the replay did I watch replays and everything I watch the game live you see the kick of the I watched the game live and I saw what happened and Mark Mark Mark Mark Mark Mark Mark Mark just let me ask you is it a [ __ ] kick of the ball yes he kicks the ball he kicks the ball thank you looking at theall kick of the ball he he kicks the ball he kicks the ball he kicks the ball he Taps the ball away yeah Taps the ball he Taps the ball is what you just said do he do it with his foot it's a kick it's a tap kick you in the ball kick is a kicking you in the balls kick is a tapi you you you're getting onto semantics now L just admit it just admit it ad it he's prevented a free kick from being taken because he ring the ball away the ball is rolling there is no free kick that is possible he still kicked the ball away doesn't matter there is no free kick it does matter because he kicked the ball away sure vented a quickart to the match so let me ask you why in the match the four other times it happened was there no foul called and again I will report with if your if you have a bunch of children that says I did this and your kid says why can't I do it I that's what I hear well everyone else the mark it happened before that it happened before this is my point it's probably because so what you're saying what you're saying is unless they call it unless they call it it's probably because not a foul unless I also think in the I never want to hear you mention another foul in my life because you are literally saying unless they call it of League didn't you are saying unless they call it it is not a foul here's here's the thing was you're [ __ ] changing the subject I'm asking you a straight question anything I'm asking you a straight question yes or no what is your question so unless they call it it's a foul correct unless they call it it's a don't call a foul foul let me unless they call a foul it's not a foul unless they call a foul which is defined as a foul if they don't call it it's not a foul yeah yeah I mean that's kind of a loaded trick question yeah because it's [ __ ] wrong Mark is the [ __ ] no no what I'm hearing in this argument is Billy and Johnny and Danny got away with it why don't I which is the most no this is we did ever have that is like what what if your if your kid I did it why would you say to them would you say fight on kids or would you be like no no no that's not because Mark a foul called on this should not be called a foul on this right they they shouldn't be the same this versus this should be argument I've ever heard you're [ __ ] out of your mind this is all [ __ ] [ __ ] for told you this was gonna get hot no Mark listen listen whatever happened happened and that is the call and I am fine with with it that is what [ __ ] happened when it happen watching it live I was going this is nonsense but that's the call that's what we're [ __ ] dealing with so the the only thing is I don't want to [ __ ] hear from anybody else that X was a penalty and X was not a penalty and X was a foul and X was not a foul because none of that [ __ ] matters also when all that matters is what the referee calls in the moment right that's all that matters that's all that matters and you know what happened we we got a [ __ ] red card for something that happened there Fant that didn't happen two seconds earlier did not get a call sure and I am fine with it I'm fine with it I'm still gonna win the league before any of your [ __ ] shitty teams ever [ __ ] win the league you're now you're not now you're not in iners it's not true you've had your chance you've had your chance iners I would also like to point out that is the cas if that is the case you can never compl I'm going to say that you also nobody in the history moving forward of premier league and champions league and all the other leagues that use V none of you people can argue and and complain about V because you were given a chance to vote against it and the only team that did was woles oh blah blah moving on throughout the season has nothing to dok has nothing to do with this it's a second yellow because exactly what you are saying in regard it's a second yellow no no rabbit being pull out the Hat you have just told us and our viewers that we cannot complain about it's a foul it's not a foul We're not gonna do that but you is in turn cannot argue against V because you didn't vote against it Mark there was Zero VAR [ __ ] off you think you're smart right now and you're [ __ ] [ __ ] because there was Zero VAR on this [ __ ] thing it was no VAR the problem was it was a second yellow so we couldn't use VAR so use your VAR comments for something else I got I got notes but I also got letters I'm like carac it's Neville Chamberlain with his letter many I can't use on this show you can use it all you want you just have to back it up and you know what all the retards out there will say no he was being [ __ ] [ __ ] he was being [ __ ] he was being so [ __ ] all right folks so I'm am absolutely so glad we had this time together uh no we're not done here you [ __ ] bastard all right well I have to have a a a before we head into stoppage time I need a little bio break so you all y all Talk Amongst yourselves that wasn't me I didn't do that I didn't do that that was director John oh that's hilarious John if you did that but that wasn't me I didn't cut him off that that was that was Mark Mark did Mark he cut wask was halfway to the toilet when he was talking let me bring him back because now we'll hear him take a piss oh we don't we don't need to do that but thank you guys for joining us tonight thank you guys everybody for being here tonight if you want to continue this heated debate please click the link and you can join us backstage for a little bit but I think we're about done my daughters are now rewok up and they're uh gonna yes go to B um but we'll be here for a little bit while later while I talk [ __ ] to Mark so uh thank you guys for joining us thank you Tom thank you David problem uh anybody else thank you John all right peace out y' good night everyone cheers guys [Music] [Music] [Music] n [Music]