CNN reporter describes tense moment between judge and Trump's attorney

judge Tanya chuin has just adjourned adjourn  today's uh Hearing in a federal courtroom here   in Washington on the federal subversion case  against Donald Trump CNN's senior crime and   Justice reporter Caitlyn pance was inside the  courtroom throughout this entire process this   morning give us a little flavor of what was  going on inside we saw your reporting and we   were putting on the left part of our screen  during the course of this hearing yeah well   there were a couple things to note here the first  is that moment where judge Tanya chuin jumped in   there was a spicy banter going on between her and  Donald Trump's Attorney John Loro about how long   it should take for everyone to get together all  of the evidence The Briefing the legal arguments   to talk about presidential immunity Trump's team  obviously wanted to slow things down they were   going back and forth very quickly in the courtroom  so much so that the court reporter had to say hold   on you're talking over one another judge and  defense attorney and then John Loro said you   know there's a very sensitive time in our nation's  history and that's when you could see he lost the   judge judge Tanya chuckin sat back in her chair  she sighed and then she put a finger up stopped   the banter took a pause and said let's discuss  what the sensitive Time Is Here the election   is not relevant to the timeline and that just  put a different flavor across the courtroom of   the discussions about timing here and she pulled  it back to say we're going to talk about what's   actually needed what I can do here and how to  move this forward she didn't put a trial date on   the calendar and she didn't put a timeline down  yet she does say she is going to set one up for   later today uh hopefully if she can put that out  but what the the subtext here she didn't want that   that this is not about the presidential election  Donald Trump running for presidency and whether or   not the justice department is able to put forward  evidence before November the other thing I want   to point out here wolf is there was a lightness to  this proceeding nobody has been in this courtroom   before judge chuckin since last October and even  Jack Smith we haven't seen him in a courtroom for   some time he was there today his beard is  a lot longer than the last time I remember   seeing him judge chuckin her hair it's lighter  and even at the beginning of this proceeding   she said everybody looks rested and there was  laughter across the courtroom WF she did she did   underscore what we all know about Judge chuin she  is tough she is very very smart uh and she uh does   not want any really uh Ser uh unserious business  to emerge during the court of this during the   course of this uh trial uh Caitlyn pance excellent  work as usual thank you let's talk more about   this now with former Federal prosecutor Elliot  Williams and former Trump attorney Tim parlor uh   okay Elliot who who prevailed more today what do  you think we'll see and a lot of that is going to   depend on this first wave of decisions or rulings  that comes from the judge in terms of the timeline   now certainly she's not going to set uh a schedule  this is as Paula had noted but how are they going   to decide these some of these questions about  immunity and which evidence is going to be in   and out how and the process for which she sets up  there is really going to decide who the big winner   is today but look this isn't going anywhere  anytime soon there's a lot of big decisions   that need to be made Tim what's your take on  who had the advantage today in arguments in court I mean I agree with Ellie it's one of  those things where they made the arguments   the judge didn't decide and ultimately the the  thing that's kind of the most immediate concern   is what is the next briefing schedule going to be  and both sides have argued over essentially who's   going to file their brief first on the immunity  issue you know traditionally it is something   where the defense will file a motion first the  government then resp responds the defense gets   a reply uh here special council's office has  suggested kind of reversing the order letting   them go first and having the defense reply and  then giving special counsel the last word and   I think that you know the subtext that they  were trying to get into there is if you do it   that way right now this close to the election  you're essentially dictating which side gets   to put their argument not only before the  court but also before the public you know   in what order before the election so yeah  ultimately we'll see what the judge decides   on that Tim do you think the Judge seems  inclined to accept the indictment as it is or   do you think that the special councel is going  to have to do some significant tinkering with it well she's definitely not going to accept it  just simply as is without proper briefing and   potentially hearings you know that that I think  she made very clear that this is something the   Supreme Court wants her to go through a detailed  analysis before she even gets to that point and I   do think that they have uh they've cut it down  significantly there's a lot of things that you   know were immune under the Supreme Court case law  that have been taken out but there may still be a   few things that she decides to cut out a little  bit further so I I do think that there's going   to be you know just a little bit more shaving to  go on Elliot on how this is weighed it seems like   the special Council says we can do this through  legal briefings the Trump team is like no let's   have hearings let's discuss this further obviously  one would put the case back even further than it   is now as Paula pointed out potentially into  next fall is there going to be a mix how do   you foresee that play for um you know it's uh I  think the Judge has acknowledged that we're not   seeing a trial anytime soon that's why she's very  clear about not setting a trial date because of   the number of issues now the prosecutors have  been clear that they can that they ought to be   able to just lay out this is the evidence that  we think ought to support the indictment that   we've supported here let's put that on paper and  then after that we can debate what's immune and   what isn't the defense wants to drag things out a  little bit more um by sort of um having a series   in effect of Min hearings or or mini disputes  again that's all the things that the judge has   to sort out in the next you we might even see  something today uh you I don't want to people   get too excited but um you know just at least  in terms of a preliminary um outlining of what   what the next timeline is going to be what did you  think Elliot about how she said this court is not   concerned with the timing of the election and how  realistic that is when you Can't Ignore at least   politically that there is an election it's like  getting the band back together Brianna because   you know you and I and Boris we talked about this  a lot in the spring and fall and I and I have long   taken the view that we have a political calendar  but also the legal system doesn't need to bend   the knee to that but of course we don't live in  fantasy lawyer land we live in a world where there   are elections and people care about what happens  uh in in in these legal cases and so she's right   uh well anybody pardon me anybody who believes  or says that we ought to think about elections   is right it's it's true it's it's reality but  the judge has a job to do and her job is to   is to make decisions that adhere to the rule of  law and not you know what's best for voters on on   November 5th Tim it seems like one of the angles  of attack for the Trump team on this is going to   mimic what we saw play out uh in Florida in the  classified documents case one of the arguments   is going to be that special counsel Jack Smith  was unduly appointed that that his appointment   itself is illegal how successful do you think  that argument is going to be before judge chuin oh it's not going to be successful at  all in front of her you know the DC circuit   case law on this is very unfavorable to  the president's position uh but you know   the reason he was successful in Florida is in  part because that DC case law wasn't binding   on Florida and so I think that for that argument  to ultimately succeed it's not going to succeed   in front of Judge chuckin it's not going to  succeed at the DC circuit it may succeed in   the um in the uh Florida case on appeal up to  the up to the circuit and then ultimately to   the Supreme Court to where if they Prevail  there then that decision can essentially be   you know Dro back down to Chuck him but as far  as succeeding in this courtroom not a chance