Camper or Cosmopolitan? Shailene Woodley | Choice Words with Samantha Bee

if this is the weekly daily or hourly reminder you need to make sure you're registered and planning to vote then please allow me register and make a plan to vote why I don't know because I said so need another reason or okay how about today I say because of the environment I shouldn't have to still explain to people that it's important that we care that our planet remains you know somewhat Happ able for us and our children and generations to come our planet shouldn't have to be the this is fine meme every damn day so I have some serious Choice words for the people who think climate change isn't real who don't care that we just had a hotter summer than the year before and we could probably expect that next summer will be even worse or maybe this summer will just never end and next summer will just be summer 2024 2.0 oh my got so allow me to remind you that while in office Donald Trump rolled back more than 100 Environmental Protection rules he also pulled the us from the Paris climate agreement and you bet project 2025 has something to say about what the Environmental Protection Agency should be focusing on or rather if it should even exist it simply makes me burn up with rage unlike the planet which is burning with fossil [Music] fuels this is Choice words I'm Samantha be my guest today is actor shayen Woodley who you know and love from big little lies the fonar Stars The Descendants if you're my kids the Divergent series in the forthcoming three women she's also a climate activist even though she doesn't necessarily love that title and we talk a lot about how we can all make easy choices to better the planet so take a listen and make good [Music] choices oh my God it is I'm so excited that you said yes to doing this podcast I can't even tell you I was course I said yes I'm so excited to oh God we met just like for people who were listeners of the podcast we met just a couple of months ago really yeah at an event at a beautiful G conservation oh you're like deep in the environmental movement and we were going to talk about that but you go all over the world on Grand Adventures doing athletic things and diving into Waters and doing all of this like athletic things I guess it's true oh it's true meeting people all over the world saving the world I like to talk about the choices that people make in life and I feel like you are the exact person that I want to talk to because when I read articles about you interviews with you or I see them you're incredibly thoughtful about the choices that you make the path that you take you're so open and really vulnerable and I think it's really cool so what is it like for you to make a choice in life like a big one are you good at do you Embrace that are you like ooh let me get into it or are you terrified no I mean I'm always terrified which is why I do it okay I I think choice is actually the greatest Freedom we have on this planet as humans it's kind of the only thing we have in some ways because we live in these like structures and these systems and these institutions and and choice is really the the compass that allows us to navigate a life that can be a life well- lived or a life well right um Juiced you know and and for better for worse I've always had this sort of insatiable quality that I just I want to know everything about the human exper I want to like taste it and smell it and feel it and live it and cry about it and grieve about it and be angry about it and be joyful about it and and choice has been that the opportunity for me to understand what all of those qualities can look like and feel like and I I guess I am terrified of big choices but I always make them it's funny that you said the word Juiced because actually when I think about you I think you are the type of person who gets all the juice out of the orange you're like squeezing the you do oh God I do and let me tell you Sam sometimes it's painful to get all the juice out of an orang yes sometimes you're left with a dry husk and you just go I'll compost it and I'll make something good with it exactly right least it smells good because it's Citrus at least it's it's fragrant it's beautifully fragrant and cleansing how do you make how do you deliberate like if you have to if you're fac with a big like a big career decision or something like that how do you attack it do you just let it sink into your bones for a little while do you deliberate or do you just dive in do you like strap on a A Single Fin and like dive to the bottom of the ocean sometimes it's an instant yes and then when it is I fight yeah I fight and I I do everything I can to protect that instant yes because I feel like that's such a rare treasure when there is that in sort of butterfly explosion in the bodies and in the cells and every part of me I can't sleep I can't I can't do anything because I'm obsessed with the instant yes and then when it's not an instant yes instead of reminding myself oh this is probably a no because I'm not getting all of those feelings okay I sit and I deliberate and I freak out and I call I really I really lean on my people I'm very lucky to have a tight group of people that I trust implicitly so I'll lean on them and I'll kind of pick their brains a little bit and then I try to give it as much time as I can um and now I'm in a new phase of life where I really value my peace and I value my okay Center if there's a decision or a choice that's giving me anxiety now I try to remind myself that that's probably a no even if it's sexy you know even if it's enticing even if it's like something delicious that could come out of that choice if there is like an unrest in me I uh I try to listen to that as much as I listen to the full yes you do talk about butterflies you like you either get butterflies or you don't but like have you ever said yes to something and then you were like I I don't I can't do it all the I'm so freaking out that's happened to me in relationships that's happened to me um in my career that's happened to me in choices I've made about where I want to live or uh how I want to live and it's so disruptive and it's so unnecessary that I try to protect myself at all costs from doing that anymore but I still do it constantly oh constantly but it's good it's like one of those I I often talk to people about learning how to say no to things which I feel like I learned it from reading an article about Oprah that she was like you have to learn how to say no do you are you good at that I'm really good at saying no unless I'm unclear like sometimes I find okay For Better or For Worse again like I have a really strong moral my values are very strong and I think I i' have very high integrity and so every now and then if I'm in a situation that compromises my personal idea of what is right or wrong or morally correct but there's like that kind of artist side of me that's a glutton for human desire experience whatever if I'm in that situation of questioning my connection to my Integrity or my connection to my desire to juice life I cannot know how to say no and I it gets stuck in my throat and it's such an uncomfortable G it's such an awful feeling awful can you think if you just the kind of looking back is there a choice that you can think of that you made that really impacted your life in a way that maybe you like didn't necessarily expect or or something that had even a something a small choice that had these big wild reverberations yeah I mean two two massive things stand out to me one was when I was um 19 I had this film come out called The Descendants and it was I'd been acting for 13 years at that point and it was the first time that Hollywood really came into my awareness because up until then it was just like this fun thing I would do and then I would leave and go back to the suburbs and hang with my friends and go camping and and suddenly I had Studio execs and people around me being like you need to dress more Cosmopolitan you need to do this you need to do that and I was like [ __ ] I'm 19 I want lovers I want to see the world I want to like know things I don't want to dress Cosmopolitan what does that even mean it was disturbing to me and my reaction to it was to get rid of everything I owned and mov to Europe actually at that point I to Hawaii I moved to Hawaii first and then I moved to Europe and for 10 years I kind of just lived out of a carry-on suitcase and when I wasn't working I would meet somebody on a train or in a hostel and I'd ask if they wanted to learn English and an exchange they could teach me their language and I would do their dishes and I just lived with strangers for almost 10 years and it was wildly informative and and shaped so much of who I was and I didn't know at the time you know to me it was normal I was like why why isn't everyone trying to do this and and I it wasn't if I didn't have money or if I was struggling financially or whatever like I would pick up a skill and i' go i' wash dishes for a few months between things and I think it expanded my view of not just European life or Fijian life or all these other places I lived but it it helped me understand a American life in a lot of ways so that was a big one and then in 2016 I made a series of choices politically and there was this movement about a pipeline um on Native American resolution and I was out there for almost a year and and heavily involved with the community there and and afterwards when you said did I make a choice that I didn't expect what would happen I suddenly became this person that everyone thought of as an activist or an environmentalist or and I was like whoa whoa whoa I'm not any of those things I'm just like a girl who who cares and and happen to stumble into this situation this wasn't something I sought out it was something that kind of found me and here I am and and tomorrow I might be somewhere else and tomorrow I might you know devote myself to something else and that shook my nervous system a lot kind of having again the world look at me in a way that I didn't choose but in sort of given this label that was a label I didn't identify with isn't that so funny that it's so true that I think people in the like the world RIT large is so much happier if they can just call you a thing and pigeon hole you in an exact way that makes sense that they can order it in their brains yeah and I look around and I'm like yo why are we all performing I'm so tired of the performance right and I think the label is a part of that performance it's like if I can understand you as this one thing then you're safe because I don't have to accept that you're a complex multi-layered emotional being Hollywood was like we're going to make you this now you're going to get fancy now we're going to make sure like now we're going to put you through the rigors of this like Hollywood washing machine like this this like spin cycle that we put young women on young actors really and you were like [ __ ] you I'm going to go be a dishwasher for a while it's a rare quality actually to know yourself that well at the age of 19 how do you account for that or just were you like a child who was born and just knew yourself or did that develop over time I think I was I was definitely a child who knew myself I had a pretty intense childhood I had a lot of unusual extreme situations that I went through as a child outside of acting outside of the industry and for me acting was sort of the only it it was the in a lot of ways I think it was the thing that sort of saved my life like it gave me this Outlet to be a free being and so when suddenly Hollywood tried to take that away from me it was like this fierceness and me of going hell no this is my thing this is my joy this is my craft but I never looked at it as some like artsy fartsy thing it was really like a Lifeline that I wasn't aware of as a Lifeline until later on in life but when that was threatened to become something else I I got angry and it was like that rebellion in me of going like [ __ ] you for trying to steal the thing that makes me feel alive um and in and the way that I reacted to that was I'm going to go search for other things that make me feel alive that is really powerful you were like this is my safe thing this is my thing yeah you can't alter it it was fun like the one beautiful I mean my parents did a lot of beautiful things but one of the beautiful things they did was as a child actor I had three rules I had to stay the person they knew I was I had to have do good in school and I had to have fun and I love that they included the fun piece of it because it was always and is always fun and never became this like agonizing I'm an actor I'm an artist I have to drown in my own you know pain in order to survive and it was a joyful expression instead of something that felt agonizing right or like a necessary expression or something like cuz I'm thinking about what I've read about um three women and the way that you talk it feels like it was like a necessary for you to do yeah maybe difficult and like a like difficult and raw I've always been obsessed with desire sex sexuality because it's such a suppressed subject in our culture and yet it's everywhere it's it's like the bacon hanging in front of the dog but the dog never really gets bacon and then living in Europe for so long and seeing how erotic Europeans are simply by existence it's they don't try they're just very much in their bodies and they're very free and they're very um it's a it's a different way of relating to self I just I look at at our culture and the women in our culture and you know the family that I come from and and the things that I have been through that are so corrupt and don't need to be and so when I when I read three women and when I met Lisa I felt for the first time like there was an opportunity to tell a story that that every woman can relate to and and also men whether they choose to open their eyes to relate to it or not like these are common themes these are not uh strange esoteric ideas about female psychology and um it did feel like a necessary thing to to bring to the screen isn't it so funny when you go like I will never forget going to like a European beach for the first time yeah in my in my one piece bathing suit like North Amica like Canadian right just like so everything's covered just like zinc on the face like a big calf town and all the women are just like in a just the bottom of a bikini smoking drinking wine and they're like and their kids are like off doing whatever they're like bye and then and they're having like this such a great normal relationship with their bodies and then they just like bend over into the cooler to grab a sandwich and their asses in your face and they're like I don't care and you're like oh wait I'm the problem like I'm the weirdo right but it's all like we're the weirdos because we're not taught how to be safe in our own bodies because every example around us says the body is not a safe place to be and so it's so many mixed signals constantly and then you add like porn and societal pressures and all of the things that are around and As Americans and now with social media and Technology it really is every day it is a you have to make a conscious decision to connect because intimacy is unfortunately a fleeting thing it's it's going yes yes Making Connections I do think I think think often about the themes that are emerging in this conversation like just when you think back to like the career trajectory of Britney Spears is like a perfect example that just like everyone was just obsessed like openly obsessed with her virginity yeah so they both want to portray her very sexually at a young age but they also need to know that she's like sexually pure and it was like the most I mean it's psychotic it's Psy it's psychotic yes and that was so long ago and I just don't think things have changed all that much no they haven't I mean there's all these statistics too about young kids are having less sex and touching each other less ever before and it's interesting as I like I think a lot about religion and institutions and as they are sort of changing I think people are are less religious maybe now than they were in the 90s during the Britney Spears rise and as those things are changing there's this new kind of counterculture of of being like highly offended by everything and the cancel culture thing and and I think young people just don't know where to be they don't know like how to find there's no example of a center of having a connection outside of society in a way and so that I think adds also to the pressures that that also exist in the sexual sphere of having to be perfect having to look a certain way having to perform a certain way and man oh man it really breaks my heart I mean where you can actually meet people in real life is so it's like vital it's it's vital and I do think that there will be like in subsequent Generations we're all going to learn these lessons and at some point maybe not exactly my children's generation but the generation after they're just going to throw off the Yoke of certain types of technology I think and just be like I don't I don't use that that's like even my children's generation are a little bit like this is my brain is frozen I'm going to walk away right it's very healthy so I want to talk about three women a little bit more because it's such a great it's a beautiful vital interesting book and I love that this adaptation has been made she's also the executive producer of the show adaptation okay so the character in the book is a journalist somewhat based on her somewhat based on Lisa is it what's it like to play Someone sort of who you can talk to in real life is that is it harder or better I think if it wasn't Lisa it would be harder but because it's Lisa and because she and I have some kind of other worldly Cosmic connection really felt quite easy um all of the stories most of the stories that Gia goes through plot-wise are realistic and truthful to Lisa's personal history but the person that Gia is and the way that we talked about bringing her to life and different characteristics and manorisms are not reflective of Lisa and so there is there is some truth in parallel and then there is a lot of fiction in there so that it felt so Gia felt authentic and Lisa and I strangely have have been through a few similar things in life and so that also helped kind of shape The Narrative of how Gia was going to be elicited and I I just it was it was incredible to play Lisa because she's such a creature of Truth for for all of the the truth and the breath that she gives other people she really allowed herself to be vulnerable with this show and specifically with the Gia character because it is her her truth it is her history and that is wow that's so vulnerable I think I think I was watching an interview with her and she said something that I thought was so poignant which is that women are like allowed to talk about what they don't want but they're not really allowed to talk about what they do want yeah and that felt really real to me like that really resonated for me yeah she's so good at that man she really knows how to nail the little sound she Nails it it's so true though it's so true I you know I'm single at the moment I'm very single and um my friends have been like you know write down the five and 10 or write down the things that you want the qualities to manifest and I wrote down I couldn't like I'm an extra person so what was supposed to be like a list of five qualities turn into like a thir page poem and they were like you need to like you know narrow it down a little bit like not so not so much writing they're like actually we're gonna amend our suggestion to you and so now it's just two pages but um but even in that like I have people go and this is such a silly anecdote but they're like you can't you can't have all those things you can't have and I'm like what what do you mean I want those things I can have those things and by the way I am those things I am all of these things as well and so just that's like a a silly very surface level example I think of what you just said but it's this idea that the minute that you start dreaming of a life that is actually the life that you want to live we're immediately told as women no you can't have that it's too impossible your ideas are too grand um or you're asking for too much or whatever the the negative no is uh it really it pisses me off to be honest yeah they're like actually looking over your list you're allowed to have seven out of the 10 things that you want it's just wild though I mean even as a mom it's like so many women still are told like to work or and be a mom and be a partner and have and be an artist or be a Creator whatever you might want to do there are all of these restrictions on how you're supposed to do it instead of just going dude I have a skin suit on I am alive there are cells in my body working miracles and I want to be this today and tomorrow I might change my mind but why can't I try it why can't I be that if I'm living from a place of goodness and and kindness and you know self-reflection and awareness why can't why are we limiting ourselves it makes no sense to me right right um you okay one of my favorite things because you know because the book is very much about women and their relationship to sex um still you know we're still we got our we got our North American Hang-Ups but yeah especially I do think that that is so well Illustrated in how we teach uh sex education in our schools so I always ask people you'd like to think that it isn't still a gy teacher teaching but it it actually is and it's worse than ever and now you know people are cutting their sexed curricula and people know nothing about their bodies the knowledge of your body is very esoteric and especially in American schools in the education system what would your dream sexed look like like if you were inventing it out of whole cloth what would it look like I like to dream about what is possible I mean I'm probably the wrong person asks I'm like you want to go there listen but like I mean well you lived in Europe for a long time it's totally different there it's like totally different like reading about sex education in the Netherlands you're like what you talk about pleasure yeah I think the first thing would be like here's the anatomy of a female body sure let's talk about that first and all the different parts of of the female body all the parts all the parts there's so many parts and then also I think one of the things that's the most sad to me is when I talk to women and they still think that there's like there's only one type of orgasm that always kind of shocks me and so I feel like in my dream scenario in sex ed it would be there's a million different ways for your body to experience pleasure here's a few so you at least have like a starting off point to know it's not just like a little like rub and you're done there's like there's like just like in a porno you just slap it a few times it's easy there's a lot of different ways and I think a huge part of the sex set thing that I would talk about is it's actually so easy for your body to experience pleasure if you feel safe because that's something that I have always run into in my life which is being someone who has been very lucky to have had many different types of EXP experiences throughout my life if I don't feel safe my body shuts down and I then when I was younger would internalize it is what's wrong with me and why can't I be a certain way and why am I not feeling a certain thing and why is my body not reacting a certain way instead of going oh this isn't a safe experience for whatever reason and I can't actually there is no access to pleasure because the road to pleasure has been stolen by the head and the thoughts and the awareness of the experience instead of just being present in it I can only be present in that type of intimacy if there is a ground of safety and um we're not taught that it's like here's a condom here's how it works have fun so much of it is still so oriented about you know sort of the male anatomy and it's not just for women like I think that that if men knew what was possible which like young boys just don't because there isn't any education around it if everyone knew what was possible physically and emotionally and the um beauty that can come from pleasure that's like an emotional Beauty I think that people would uh be more interested to I kind of look at Sexual Energy as the serpent that's like goes through the and I've had um I have experiences with some very kind of traumatic things sexually and so I think of it a lot as like the serpent that of goes into people and uses like our bodies energetically and we're sort of these zombies walking around going I really want to connect and I don't know how and I'm supposed to do this I'm supposed to do that and there's all this awareness and okay now it's done and I'm going to shove that aside and compartmentalize and go back to my life but then there's still this energy running through us and until we're aware of that I feel like it kind of runs us instead of us running it and that's something I would do in sex head we're all just looking for intimacy there's nothing better than true intimacy which is not necessarily always which is not like always sexual in nature it's like the intimacy of like a touch and a connection and eye contact and an understanding between two people do you think with intimacy because I've been thinking a lot about this recently like what to me makes intimacy intimacy and I I've come to the conclusion that it's just pure honesty like if someone's honest with me and they show me who they really are and how they really feel whether it's a negative or a positive thing that's intimate what do you think it's oh it's very intimate and there's also you know there's something about the intimacy with a partner like I've been married for a long long time I don't know 23 years or something like that and there's safety in it and there's something about there's like a fluidity between myself and Jason like we when one person is feeling strong the they are supporting the other person when one person is feeling weak they look to the other partner sometimes we're at the same level of strength and weakness and sometimes one of us needs more support and then we fall back and then the other one needs more support and that creates a sense of Total Safety because we can truly be we are just like TR truly openly ourselves doesn't that doesn't always look like like us caressing each other in the face every morning but we're always connecting and we connect through laughter like we connect because we think we we're really each of us is we make each other laugh it's our best huge connection it's huge it's really huge and so is huge it's huge like again going back to what you said earlier you have to have fun with your partner you have to be having fun otherwise what are we doing here I know like we can't it can't always be fighting and negotiating if you're not having fun you're not meant to be together it's time to like I know fun feel like so many people is it settle or compromise I've never been in a relationship longer than two years and sometimes I look at myself and I'm like am I scared of intimacy and I don't think that's what it is I think I just haven't found the person that you know we do the 23 year thing together with yet yeah but um I have so many friends and people I respect who are in relationships where they're like well you know it's this and this and this and this and this aren't fulfilling but there's the kids and there's the house and there's the responsibilities and and I look at them and I'm like you are so beautiful as a human being why are you doing this to each other cuz you're you're not bringing out the highest bet and it's I think that's also endemic in our culture which is like it is you're supposed to be additive like a person should be additive to your life you need to be additive to another person and sometimes that that means you're actually doing something that you don't feel like doing today like I don't know doing the high-intensity composting yeah whatever but you know what I mean but there is a give and take like everybody has to just like sometimes you're just pitching in because it's a team but most of the time you're pitching in because you love each other and you're like to building something together but it's about being additive and I think like if a relationship subtracts too much from you I don't know man it's going to be pretty hard to ride the crest of menopause with someone who who doesn't have your back [ __ ] that you'll get into your 50s and be like I don't do this anymore now I live for me so like you you know you're going to end up going into these like big things together later in life and if you're really not balanced it's probably not going to work out and that could be a very good thing sometimes it is better to have your cats listen can I tell you something this is just such a Sidetrack but my son has a cat sitting job right now oh my gosh oh my God he's so cute he's 16 he has a cat sitting job it's adorable and one of the cats I swear to to God I swear to Jesus Christ is a man trapped in a cat's body it's like this cat it's like was turned into a cat by a Witch's Curse it's like he has the face of a man in a cat I wish I had a picture of his face it's just like you're like what I'm obsessed with cats obsessed I have two cats okay um oh me too oh they're just oh my God they make no I'm like bro you were so chill and now you just did seven cartwheels in a row jumped 8 and 1/2 ft in the air tapped the ceiling ran around the room and now you're laying down again what the [ __ ] just went through your head can you explain what happened first of all you have to send us pictures of your cats I will I'll send you a picture of I love cats so much that when like JD Vance is like childless cat lady is I'm like childless cat lady bring me I could easily live in a house with 40 cats I know it's funny every time I meet someone who's not a cat person I'm like why are you not a cat person I have a really what's about my cats but I was like why are you not a cat person and they're like well they're too Moody they run away they don't cuddle and I'm like my cats are the ultimate snugglers they like I wake up one is here and one is here and they're just oh yeah they're all up in me all the time there's nothing more sensual than a feline like the these creatures know how to be in their bodies and um you're not kidding I also feel like they're fierce protectors like I yes they have emotional intelligence they have discernment they have choices they make choices and sometimes you don't like their choices you gotta live with it I had a guy spend the night who I had just kind of like you know we were like sort of casually dating yeah and he stayed the night at my house for the first time and I woke up in the middle of the night and I was like my cat was like rustling in the bed and I he's not a cat person and I was like is it okay if my cat sleep and I reached over to collect my cat and the bed was wet and I was like did this dude just like the bed my freaking cat peed I was like oh my God I mean I was mortified obviously cuz I also didn't really know this person well like I picked my cat out and I woke up up and I was like I'm so sorry my cat peed on the blanket it's like I have to change the comforter ah and he was like it's fine she was locked in she didn't have her like what a nice man this man was and he handled it with so much grace but I woke up the next day and I was like wow you were not quiet about your opinions on this dude you were very Discerning in that choice strong opinions strong that's a such a strong State cats never make a half statement no and I love it I'm like they the going again the Performing thing they do not perform they just are they're like this is how I feel and it shall be known okay I'm want to talk just a bit about your um because you're so interested so engaged with well I'm going to say activism on climate change I'm I have to say it but like you're so you're active I mean you're just so active and you have really focused your energy on the oceans like what draws you to the okay because I saw hope in the water in which you do an episode about the changing California coast and I learned so much so can you describe why is it so important to promote eating less less popular seafood I don't think people don't really know that yeah I I didn't know it I knew it in theory but I learned a lot doing show um yeah when we it's it's easy to be apathetic towards something that's not in our face constantly you know and I remember growing up it was like you're not going to you'd see the Billboards everywh you're not going to care about cancer until someone in your family gets cancer and then you're going to care about cancer and then you're like that was sort of the message I feel like I remember the most when I was a kid and interestingly now I feel like the message is like you have to care about the Earth and you're not going to care about it until it's on your front doorstep which is true and yet the sad thing is once it's on your front doorstep it's like on your front doorstep and the flood and the fires and the storms and the climate refugees like it's such a massive International issue that we're um contending with and as far as the fish go overfishing is massive and I think people don't I didn't really realize like to be a fisherman in that way not just like talking about the oceans because to me you can't talk about the environment or the oceans without talking about humans because we're so intricately connected and intrinsically connected and so many of these people who are on these commercial fishing boats going out to to fish the tuna and to and the salmon and all of these these big uh they call them like the big five or whatever A lot of these people are are trafficked a lot of these people are told like here's a job we're going to send all this money home to family give us your passport and then they never get their passports back and then they're stuck on these boats and so it's such a to me like yes we should stop eating just these few species of fish because or maybe reduce our desire to eat just those because of the ramifications on the sea but also because of the ramifications on humanity and when you when you start when I started opening my eyes to like oh what would it be like to buy the oysters or the muscles or the clams or this weird fish I've never heard of when I go to the um butcher area or the the fishmonger at the grocery store it also like that is including a new cycle of sustainability that includes the emotional well-being and physical well-beings of humans as well and that we make lifestyle choices that encourage the financial kind of capitalistic side of our food systems that's going to influence the way that these systems affect communities around the world and so it's a really big conversation and when I look at environmentalism in general or conservation it goes back to what we how we started this conversation which is that we have one life man and I have a fierce like there's like a mama bear in me that just wants to protect people and and remind people that this life can be beautiful it doesn't only have to be a life of suffering it doesn't only have to be a life of pain and the rat race of trying to survive and trying to make money just to pay the bills just to like make sure your kids are okay and the only way that's going to change is if we all decide to be a little bit more uncomfortable and adjust our lifestyles a little bit just a tiny bit to include a broader perspective that can affect the rest of humanity and it sounds maybe idealistic and and like a hippie thing to say but it's just true and no no one I feel like very few people actually want to participate because it it feels so large but the small decision of choosing a different fish at a supermarket actually can make a difference it's so misunderstood or just like not conceived of is just like our food systems and also fashion I think fashion is another is a huge area in which we all really play a very deep part and can make change incrementally definitely over time but incrementally through with our pocketbook and the choices that we make like if we turn away from unsustainable eating unsustainable shopping unsustainable fashion choices it could help it could incite something it could cause you to have a Consciousness about things well it's just it's interesting to me like I've thought a lot about why these systems are so strong and we kind of live in this culture that says like don't really don't think for yourself don't have your own forget opinions like definitely don't have your own opinions but don't express yourself as a version of you and if you're going to express yourself for who you are the only way to do that is through fashion makeup like it's so physical right and that informs the choices that we make with fashion with food whatever instead of value valuing what is your how does your heart see the world and how does like what makes you tick what makes you feel alive what is your light oh my God you're pursuing your passions I'm going to celebrate that because I'm not here to to be attached to you and need anything from you I'm here to be devotional to you I'm here to like devote myself to your well-being but your well-being should be like the way that you feel and the way that everything like you walk into a room what is the energy you're bringing instead of what do you look like and what do you sound like I think if we were able to shift importance from the identity of a physical perspective to the identity of like an emotional mental spiritual perspective man I think all of those institutions all these institutions that are really kind of plaguing our planet right now environmentally would change very quickly if we all could just agree on a single jeans silhouette for the of time we'd save so much money so much water and so much so much stress too much stress oh my God this was so it was so much fun talking to you I adore talk people are gonna I adore talking to you people are going to love three women I mean like we've been waiting for this so we are ready I hope so I just hope people see it you know to me like three women is H it is a show that that just sees us I feel like it really sees us and um and there is not one piece of the show that I think not everyone will find a point of relation to for me it's very healing so I wonder if it will be healing for others I love it well thank you so much this was so fun wanted to like so much fun that was shayene Woodley and I had no choice but to look up one thing she mentioned the big five fish that make up the majority of the fish we eat I could name the first few but I had to check the rest and it's Cod hack salmon tuna and shrimp and yes it is definitely important for us to start trying other fish to give the big five time to repopulate thank you so much for joining us I'm Samantha B see you next week for some more Choice work [Music] thank you for listening to Choice Words which was created by and is hosted by me the show is produced by zvia Baron reinstein with editing and additional producing by Josh Richmond we're distributed by lemonata media and you can find me at real Sam B on X and Instagram follow Choice words wherever you get your podcasts or listen adree on Amazon music with your Prime Membership