Garrett Crochet shines & White Sox salvage a game in San Francisco | CHGO White Sox Podcast

[Music] hello and welcome into this Sunnyside Thursday coming to you live on the Sunnyside summer Thursday this is the Cho white socks visit Sunnys side. shop for bright buys every day including 50% off your first three online purchases enter promo code H cgo at checkout to qualify exclusions apply Sunnyside cannabis dispensary right buys every day only for 21 plus or Illinois medical card holders Mercy I'll tell you what they got a lot of my money at suide cannabis dispensary yes my name is her Lawrence if you're just joining us here and first time you've seen us welcome in thank you and if you're a Roku subscriber and uh first time seeing us this our second day second day here at uh Cho White Sox going on Roku so we really appreciate you my name is Herb Lawrence I Am The Cho White Soxs Community leader usually I sit in the middle our regular host Sean Anderson is on vacation but the guys to my screen right are chg white sock beat Rider Vinnie duber the guy in the middle right there with a beautiful Chicago flag hat he you could follow him at Vinnie duber on the Twitter sphere and the guy all the way to the right his name is Jared Willis Jay Willis wise instead of eyes on the Twitter sphere he is a CSO white Oro baseball writers as he writes for both the Cubs and the white socks so today we are going to be going over San Francisco and Detroit trivia and why Detroit because that's the next team the White Sox play and since we don't have a show tomorrow this is why it's Summerside uh sunyside summer Thursdays folks and I know you're kind of confused about that that's one of the reasons why and the white sock start a four game set on Friday Saturday Sunday and Monday versus the Detroit Tigers and I think jro will be at three of those games and Vinnie will probably be at that Monday game so we will have you covered this whole weekend when the white sock take on the Tigers and try to ruin whatever they got going on for themselves so we be do in trivia at the end of the 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event we have going on this week is our golf outing which is sold out now but we also have a CH Bears tailgates all season long so you guys be coming all CH die hard right now and you get access to the CH Lounge in our Discord excuse me in our Discord but today the Chicago White Socks win a game the 31st of the year they are now 34 31 and what 996 I believe that is 97 one more 97 man I'm giving the White Sox two little losses 31 and 97 they grab a victory six to2 I don't even know if it's a necessarily comeback victory for the white sock even though they were trailing in this game early but to see they give give that extra fight in the ninth inning was very encouraging as we've talked about uh me and you Vinnie and uh Jared this whole week and a couple weeks leading up to it these gry seore in his team they don't quit like last night's game was kind of lackluster but Monday's game they battled today they battled and got a dub it was good to see the team just take it from the Giants who really need it and were uh ascending to the NL Wild Card let me get thoughts first from um Vinnie duber what was your overall overarching um thought after this 6-2 Victory by the White Soxs well it's got to be what happened in the top of the ninth inning right I mean because the White Sox and White Sox fans have seen that so few times this season that kind of clutch you know it wasn't a comeback because they they were they were winning San Francisco comes back and tied it so I don't think they were ever trailing in this game but uh to see them take take a game take a take a win they late in the ninth inning how many times have they done that this year I mean I you probably don't need more than one hand to count it I would imagine um and so to see that kind of win is I popping for for people who have followed this white sock Team all year it's it's the kind of win that winning teams uh have right uh listen in in 162 Game season even one as bad as this there's going to be days like this for the white socks but um we talked yesterday so much about and the day before about what a winning culture is like what it's like to what they can accomplish here in the last month and a half of this miserable season in terms of moving forward and creating some momentum for 2025 and Beyond I'm not saying this kind of thing's going to happen a whole bunch over the remaining weeks but this is a nice thing to point to uh this this is a this is a nice day that you can say that's the kind of thing that they should have been doing all season long you got Luis Robert Jr running all over the bases uh you got guys finding holes on the infield to to to put hits through you got guys drawing walks uh the there were a lot of things that the White Soxs did in that ninth inning alone but in the game in in general that they have not done this season and so probably pretty refreshing for the folks who have stuck around and and we are still watching this team this late into this season but uh if want to talk about what can be accomplished in terms of culture building in terms of creating a weaning atmosphere Grady seore and his staff whether they're going to be here next year or not can point to a daylight today as a job well done and to catch you up if you guys did not watch the game and we understand like we said 3197 I'm sure a thir a Wednesday afternoon game is not high on your watching um schedule but in the first inning Andrew benon the RBI ground out gives the white sock a one to nothing lead in the fourth inning they got Andrew vaugh sack fly that drives in Luis Robert who had led off with an opposite field double two nothing white socks and that same very same inning the last inning that gri crochet pitched today in the fourth inning Gerard and karion got an RBI ground out two to one uh White Sox lead and then Tyro Estrada with an RBI single there and then as I'll talk about later the bullpen for the white socks just shut down the Giants they had a totally great game today and then in the ninth inning Luis Robert walks then steal second base and You' been at tendy walks right after that you get an infield single from vaugh by I mean it would have been a hit by anybody else but that Fitzgerald has had a great series I've the first time I've ever seen this Fitzgerald play at shortstop for the Giants but he saved a run right there with a great play on Andrew vaugh and then they get Gavin sheets to strike out which I actually was kind of happy that Brady seore and the coaching staff kept his in versus a lefty as the broadcast said usually at this time couple weeks ago you would take Gavin sheets out especially versus sfy but multiple factors went in Gavin CHS has been swinging a pretty top-notch bat as of late and then also they had a right-hander ready and Biven if they were to switch out Gavin sheets for another hitter there so I think it was a growing moment right there for Gavin cheats even though he did strike out on a ball that was a hanging curveball but his teammate immediately picked him up Cory Lee a base hit two-run single right up the middle and scores two runs there and then you get the right after that loing Sosa two run single for the final score to be six to2 Jarett your takeaways today has the White Sox win their 31st game well yeah first of all you I do want to highlight like you mentioned that the Gavin sheets at bat in the ninth even though you don't get the result in the moment that you're hoping for um it's kind of like what we talked about with Jonathan Canon yester yesterday on you on yesterday's show about these times when with some of these younger players or less experienced players when you're gonna have to let them in this case take an at bat that they normally would not take or stay in in a game in a spot when normally or so far I guess I should say so far they haven't um so for Sheets yeah he struck out but it was still you know it wasn't a a terrible at bat it's not like he he floundered the entire thing so um I think there's value in that I also I one of the significant takeaways for me is looking at who it was that came up with that clutch hit in the ninth inning that that pushed across the two runs to give the white sock the lead it's another one of your younger players who you are hoping develops into somebody that is a part of your long-term plans um Corey Lee we've seen a lot of the growing pains with him at the plate for sure and so to see him hitting better in general this season is a positive but also to see him come up with that hit in that spot um is an even bigger positive to me because that was again it was a quality at bat um he was taking pitches he needed to take and when he got the pitch that he could do some damage with he did exactly what you want two outs he drove it right up the middle um for two guys to score and give them you know what started off as a a pretty comfortable two-run lead and then of course with lenine s's hit it gets even better but that was one of the things that jumped out at me is is who it was that was doing some of these things particularly that that ninth inning hit and yeah credit to the credit to the bullpen for um keeping this a two two to2 tie into the ninth inning so that the White Sox even had the chance um to Come Away with this win yeah and our guy beef lo from the 108 with a $5 Super Chat really appreciate that sir where the f is Sean Anderson also great win today for our boys Sean is on a well-deserved vacation so yeah he's enjoying some time off but yeah as you were just talking about Jared the bull pin today for the white sucks five innings pitch two hits zero earn runs zero walks and eight KS like you get the quality out of the bullpen that you hadn't got in the past and it's very uh telling as you were talking about the the hitters who got those K clutch hits in that ninth inning I'm going to be talking about those pitchers who came out of the bullpen that might be future arms the white socks could use in the bullpen um setting for the next year Chad cool went two innings you got Justin Anderson who's done his damnest this year as he pitches almost every damn game Eller got his first win of his career Fraser Eller gets the win oneone on the year and then you finish it off with John breus who more than likely won't be part of this white sock future but that is the foundation that you should be setting and the pitchers that they're being getting like when they just picked up de los Santos as I said before you need those type of pitchers when you're picking up just good quality arms and if you believe in Brian bannister's pitching lab and what the white socks are doing down there I think that you know you just get live arms and just uh bring them to your system and show them how you would want them to pitch out of the bullpen for the White Soxs they haven't been good this whole year but I got to give them credit when is Du to win a game out there in San Francisco where they haven't won um this whole series it is very good and the bullpen was the team that got it done because remember all its times and we'll go over Garett crochet final line in the second segment every single time that GAR crochet would pitch one of these three to four inning starts you could pretty much take it to the bank that the bullpen would have gave those games up and lose those games but today you had confidence in those guys and like I said I don't want to assign things to one person in particular in Grady size because it takes the whole 26 and more to win games but anecdotally if you have been watching and or listening to these games it seems like there's a different atmosphere there and it could just be the change just hey there's a different guy here that we cost that other guy his job we feel sorry for us and our poor performance costing that other guy that job now we're going to play a little different I don't know what it is I you know you want to ascribe all the stuff to Grady seore but it's got to be bigger than that but it just looks different Vinnie yeah I mean we've talked about it for a few days now uh obviously it does there there's more energy they seem to be playing um a little bit better than they were before I mean not not wildly so right I mean this was what a two and four road trip I think uh you know they they lost two more series it's not like they've turned everything around but um I go back to 2022 and remember when Tony larusa had to step aside uh due to health reasons there was a little bit of an immediate jolt when Miguel Cairo came in right and so I I think maybe you can see that there is um an effect of this kind of move in the middle of a season that being said you have to there's no guarantee as to how long it's going to last right because I I can go back to Miguel Cairo and point out that that team still underachieved and and and did so down the stretch the remainder of that season um is this going to be the kind of thing where great seore manages his way into an interview or a chance or consideration for a job or is he just going to be the guy who's here and he gets a nice hat tip and that's about it so um I I think there's really something to this this particular group responding to this particular guy and that's what Chris gets said when the change was made was they felt that he was the right guy for the moment remember he was the last guy on the list of assistant coaches right uh he he he's not the bench coach who usually steps into that role or or or anything other than major league coach which we didn't even have any idea what that really meant um but him identifying with these players and them respecting his recent Major League career there's something to be said about that and I think that they keep talking about that and you're seeing the results of um how they feel about him play out maybe in the way that they're playing uh and and today in in a winning effort that is Vinnie duber after the break we will talk more me 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once stole two bases out of three attempts his 20th stolen base of the year which ties a career high for him and he's just looking a lot more aggressive lately and that's good to see that Luis Robert Jr's doing his thing and like I said with Gary crochet I with Gavin sheets two for four for himself even though he had two strikeouts in the two times that he did get out but the guy who set the tone today was clean shaven Garrick crochet did firstly was this did you guys see him last time he pitched a start of the game because I don't recall him being this Cleveland shaven since he was like a first or second year player this this did look this looked new to me but I don't know maybe I missed it If He Did It Before the previous start I missed it but this looked new to me Vinnie is is this a new look uh well I think he had it at the beginning of the season I think a lot of a lot of these guys are they start clean shaving and they go the whole year and they let it get more and more but I I got to imagine that a trip down to Houston in late August you would want to get rid of all that facial hair because it is that is just sweltering usually down there uh and so maybe he's still got it uh coming over but I mean seriously with when it comes to crochet maybe it's a little bit of a Superstition thing because you know we're going to get into the workload aspect of this I don't think anybody's surprised at this point to see him go only four Innings you know it's what this has been eight starts now since the end of June that he has been kind of on this small outing uh plan here but the results really haven't been that great either I think I mean I I I I think the erra in the last eight starts is something like 59 or something like that like obviously he had that one game where he gave up seven runs uh against I believe that was against the Cubs but um you know that's going to blow that number up when the Innings uh total is is as small as it has has been but still I mean this is not the same guy who pitched through the first three months of the season in such dominating fashion that we were talking about him maybe starting the All-Star game so I think uh uh you're not only seeing a managed Garett crochet here over the last couple of months you're seeing a Garrett crochet who's not getting the same results he was getting uh earlier in the year either yeah go ahead sorry Jarett well one of the things that makes me wonder is what that has what this has done for him just mentally um because it it would be hard for it not to take a little bit of the competitiveness away um not to say that he's not preparing just as hard in between starts and the day of or anything like that but I I wonder about when you are going into a start knowing that there's like this threshold that there's this this Governor that's been placed on you um that wasn't there before because there does seem to be kind of a marked Market difference between how he was pitching leading up to the point that they they started limiting in his Innings and how he's looked since then um and I and I get it from a long-term perspective it probably is the right choice to be careful with him now given his injury history given the small number of innings he's pitched previously in his career you know there's a lot of Firsts happening for Garett crochet this season so I get it from a long-term perspective you're trying to protect this player's health um but it is hard not to notice the fact that right around the time that they started shortening his his outings he has not looked like the garri crochet that earned that All-Star spot and earned at least being in the discussion for whether or not he was going to start um so this is something that I think maybe going into the off seon and the next spring looking at like um how they want to manage the 2025 season is we may have to just let this guy Go full boore because limiting him in any way it's it's possible at least that it's it's had this negative effect on it yeah and that's what I was thinking too like if you know that you're gonna start the game but it doesn't mean that you're going to be going and trying to win this game you're not going to go past five innings and we have the whole breakdown he's had in his last eight starts uh maybe that does have an effect on your mind just subconsciously you're just like okay I'm going to get my Innings and it's kind of like a bullpen game like yes I'm trying to compete yes I'm trying to do my thing and he's throwing still hard you saw a couple hundreds pop up on there where he's throwing his four seam fast ball but I can't you know believe that knowing that you're GNA be only throwing a certain amount of innings or a certain amount of pitches doesn't get into your psyche as a starting pitcher even though this is his first year starting because he doesn't necessarily look like the same pitcher that has been dominant most of the year as you said Vinnie he's got like a five plus ra and his last seven starts I think it's a six plus ER and yes maybe that seven earn run outing is what is the big culprit but today he looked pretty smooth through three and then that fourth inning caught up to him but since July 6 is the first time that we really recognize that GAR crochet is getting paired down he's pitched 93 pitches 28 pitches 74 pitches and you see on the board right now um 64 pitches 77 pitches 66 pitches 55 pitches and today he went four Innings pitched four hits two earn runs one walk with four KS it just seems like yeah the White Soxs are doing this for multiple reasons for the health of the player which they're looking out for him and I'm sure him and his representation really appreciate that and also they tried to trade him at the trade deadline and I'm sure those conversations with teams will continue in the offseason I'm sure that both the white socks from Health standpoint want him to hit the finish line and the team that acquiring him wants him to hit the Finish Line too it looks like he's on a collision course to like 150 innings for the year do the white socks it seems like they have a a solid plan right here the White Sox are obviously making him a better pitcher in the long run I just wish it was a better pitcher in the long run for the white socks but it looks like most signs are looking for gar crochet to be going to another team eventually in this offseason Vinnie yeah I mean I just don't think anything's really changed in the kind of conversation we were having around the trade deadline which is the White Soxs are in the early stages of a very long-term what looks like it's going to be a very longterm rebuilding project um with two years left of control on him they might not be contending for a for a division title during those two years right um and so this is a rare opportunity to restock the farm system with a guy who has the ability to be one of the better pitchers in baseball which is what we saw during the first half of the season um I I think that that opportunity outweighs the uh you know try and keep him and see what happens right I mean you you maybe you know burn burn the handw two in the bush so to speak but um it listen I think that they would be wise to try and keep him because he looks like he could be a very very special pitcher and a guy who's young enough that he could be a part of your plans if you paid him enough uh for a very long time but we know the uh white socks um tend to have a history of not looking to do that uh kind of a contract with a pitcher in particular obviously they signed a lot of guys uh to contract extensions position on the position player side during the last rebuild uh you know Robert monata am menz uh but that obviously didn't work out not that that's to discourage that kind of thing in the future but uh you didn't see that with any pitchers and I and I think that um until they do sign a a pitcher to a contract like that you're you know we're you're you're perfectly valid in being skeptical that they're going to uh you know I remember during the last rebuild something Rick Han said all the time was you know that he was attemp to kind of get rid of some of the narratives surrounding what the white socks are you know usually do kind of thing but he always said the only way to do that is to to do what people don't think you're G to do and uh to this point they haven't made that kind of uh deal with a pitcher and so we can sit here and guess that it seems likely that they won't and that GAR crochet uh is probably going to be uh traded this offseason or at least uh come next trade deadline and the thing is V I was wondering if Minds could change because of how maybe I'm just you know drinking the white sock Kool-Aid after a victory 31 of them I haven't had a lot of drinks so I'm thinking like just how this team is playing better even though they're on a collision course to be one of the worst teams in baseball could they fool themselves and think hey you know what the team didn't play well in that first half when we did have grick rochet on the team but I looked at the effort after and I see the results after they've been better if we had an anchor at the beginning of that lineup and most of those win losses at the end of the gar crochet thing were because he went out of the game and then the bullpen gave it up could they feel like hey you know if we start him next year and with have no restrictions could this guy be at the top of our rotation and maybe possibly get a a benefit or a discount on a extension for gar crochet because I know that's the main thing that the white socks are hanging on to like they would probably rather have him have a extension here because he has shown he's a top of the rotation pitcher but could they be fool themselves by having a good end of the season and say you know what grick crochet is the topof the rotation pitcher why would we trade him I mean they should have been thinking that all along right I mean he was he was fantastic he was arguably the best pitcher in baseball through the first three months of the Season arguably or at least up until the All-Star B uh Allstar break they should have been thinking that all along and I'm sure they'd like to keep him around because he seems like he's going to be a real special kind of starting pitcher but they know they know the game they know the business they're in and uh that's going to require a contract I don't think um there's any expectation that they should get a discount or anything like that yes there are questions and that might affect the market but we're g to see what happens this offseason well this seems like the kind of thing where they're in a way they're hamstrung by they're hamstrung themselves because yeah all logic would point to yeah you you do what you can to try to sign a guy like this to an extension you've got two years of control left There's an opportunity maybe to to leverage that into an extension that's a a little less expensive than it might be if he was entering his final year of control we've we've seen them do a little bit of that with some other players but um knowing though that you're going to have to maybe go big a little bit with this guy this is a potentially a special kind of pitcher so you're going to have to spend a little bit more money and that's that's kind of the the problem that is the undercurrent of so many of the white sock issues is you like I said you you kind of you're hamstrung by that by the the fact that are are you have you ever been the team that is is going to go a little bit big on on signing a player like this to an extension which I think you should because you brought he's he's your guy that you drafted you've developed him and now you're finally seeing like the product that is what looks to be like a really special starter and you have an opport opportunity to find a way to keep him long term you really should explore that but yeah all signs point to that's probably not what's going to happen and it's it's too bad yeah it is too bad and I would think that yeah you would have like better luck trading him if you're acting as if no we're keeping them guys if you guys want to buy them for us cool send deal that we would like but otherwise this is our guy and I'm sure Chris is operating like that and we'll do maybe the same thing he did with Dylan CE and get the deal that he wants and needs hopefully for fans like us it happens earlier in December maybe January not in March where you know you got the player already in Camp and then you get these all these new players uh and then expectations for the team change after that because you don't have a top the rotation starter that's proven before that and then G crochet steps into that role and dominates we're at the break right now um we will talk and have a little trivia as the White Sox will be playing the Detroit Tigers this week we'll be having a Detroit vers San 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we've sent out like five and four of them gone to two people in particular AJ and Brandon uh those are the only people have won it this whole year so let's get to our final segment the white socks just finished San Francisco taking on the San Francisco Giants on this sunny side summer Thursday and they're going to go home to play the Detroit Tigers for four game set so I said let's do a San Francisco versus Detroit trivia game and for this guys it's just open for just say your name when you want to answer so you guys know your names just yell it and I'll decide who what gets the answer the G this uh the question okay what if what if we yell each other's name I mean that' be great like if I yell Jer put him on the spot yeah yes he hey look at taking the rules around all right this one's pretty easy one which of the Cities Detroit or San Francisco has the larger population Vinnie Vinnie the answer Detroit that is incorrect oh would you like to steal Jared there's only there's only one answer jar I'd steal yes I would like to steal absolutely it is San Francisco 800,000 people and Detroit only 620,000 people as of 2022 okay we did the immaculate grid the other day this is the immaculate grid between three cities the Giants the white socks and the Tigers name me a player that's played for all three organizations Vinnie Vinnie go ahead Jake Peavey Jake Peavey is not an answer God damn it you like gu Detroit um this is you don't have to think too far if you're watching the game that's a hint if you guys that is that's a that's did did breia play for Detroit John breia did not play for Detroit but there's two people in that Stadium today in San Francisco that both played or that all that played for all three of these organizations do you need another hint Josie's on a vacation far away Vinnie go ahead Gordon Beckham Gordon Beckham he didn't play for the Giants much I think he played four games but he played for the Giants and I think he ended his career with the Detroit Tigers so Gordon Beckham is one of the answers Billy Pierce white sock Hall of Famer Bob Farley I don't know who that is that sounds like a madeup person der holl Chris's brother um Derk Holland Dutch oven played for all three of the teams Austin Jackson white sock great some guy named Alvine and the manager of the San Francisco Giants Bob Melvin played for all three organizations so and there's probably more but those are the ones I've looked up since like 1977 that have played for all three organizations this one is is a little harder so but up Comer Park is where the Tigers play their home games at in which state is Comer headquartered in California Michigan Illinois or Texas Vinnie go ahead Texas boom look at Vinnie Vinnie gets it off the top look at Vinnie knows that I was a little devious there let's go to the next question Oracle Park is where the San Francisco Giants play their home games at in which state is Oracle headquartered California Jared go ahead maybe I should let you list the states first oh that's not how it works you need to watch more Jeopardy I know I buzzed in too too early um I'm taking a total for some reason Washington came into my head it is not Washington right I will finish the answer answer Oracle headquartered in California Michigan Texas or Illinois many California you would think so it's Texas it's Texas and I should have guess Texas for the same reason that I guessed Texas the last time because they probably don't tax companies and so of course there's going to be companies headquartered there they're all in Texas yeah right they are it's a business friendly State apparently Guaranteed Rate field is of course where the white sock play their home games in which state is R headquartered in California Michigan Illinois or Texas Jared Texas oh you would think so but no I'm just going with the trend I knew it wouldn't be but I had to do it is not I think it's Illinois you are right Vinnie you're killing that this game it guarantee rate or rate is currently and always has been in Illinois so Vinnie is has won this game already and so sorry Jared we really appreciate you joining us but we have one more with all the points if you want Jared try to win here this one is a very hard one so listen closely in this 80s buddy cop movie Eddie Murphy played a smartmouth Brash young man trying to bring Justice to the California streets in which city Cal us Detroit or San Francisco was Eddie's character from Vinnie Vinnie go ahead Detroit you are correct that movie was Beverly Hills Cop but as we talked about yesterday you could have also in that very vague question said San Francisco because Reggie Hammond was from San Francisco and he I didn't say he was a cop he was just a a common criminal that help Nick no's character take streets take the back the Streets of San Francisco I was gonna say I'm too old for this [ __ ] but that's a different movie that's a different different 80s buddy cop movie it weird like all 80s buddies cop movies had to be black dude white guy and just mixed up the young one one was just I'm a guzzled old veteran I hate my job and the other one's like oh I'm calm cool I'm relaxed like Mel Gibson and and uh Lethal Weapon all the lethal weapons so yeah that is the end of the trivia that we have anything you guys take away from this series that the White Sox did that I think that could carry on through Detroit now Detroit is one of the first teams that they'll play in this stretch where they have really nothing to play for Detroit's I think 12 and a half games out of first place in the AL Central technically they could you know fool themselves in a bunch of games out in the AL uh Wild Card race but this is a tough team I mean Terk scuba is looking for his own Sai Young Award winning season and you got other players like Tolson who just came back up from the minor leagues after being demoted in the middle of the Year looking to establish himself but anything that the White Soxs did in the giant series and just the heart and hustle that they showed in a couple these games that could be taken over to this weekend series home at versus Detroit well I mean I what I'll say is you know I think I've been saying for a while is as her both you and Sean have been kind of like trying to surgically look for like the games they'll win or the could win to avoid setting this excuse me this modern record for losses and my reaction every time has been well they're they lose all the time why would why would you be able to Circle any game but I'll say this after this weekend and after seeing some more games have played under Grady seore they have given off a a they've given more confidence perhaps not enough confidence but more confidence that they could win the requisite number of games here over the little bit I still don't think that they will because that that's not the pace they're on right they were going to have to they're going to have to surprise somebody with a sweep or something like that in order to kind of get off this pace um but they win a game like they did today they won a game in Houston against a red hot Astros team uh on Friday to start this road trip it you know it gives you it increases their confidence or the confidence however slightly that they are capable of winning some more games here over the next month and change of this season and maybe we are going to come down to the wire in terms of whether or not the record is is set I still think right now the odds are very much in favor of them losing 120 or more games but um but they they look better and uh so perhaps they've given themselves a little bit of a chance uh at least to to avoid that distinction all the white socks need to do sorry Jared all the white socks need to do in their final 34 games is to not lose 24 of them so win more than 10 can they do that Jared well not with the pace that they've won games all season but if you look at that chunk of games in isolation can a team win you know at a roughly three 33% of the time they should be able to um but yeah that's not been their winning Pace at all this year but maybe we talk a lot about this time of year about teams having excuse me something to play for and maybe this is the thing for them to play for and it's just enough motivation just enough to kind of spur them um to really fight just to avoid being getting this like dubious distinction of having the worst record in in Modern Baseball history so um is it possible yeah do I think they can do it skeptical and it's already like the White Sox have a day off tomorrow and Thursday but the tigers are already in Chicago relaxing and playing the Cubs this week so I was wondering if that could just uh be an advantage for them just being at in Chicago for the whole week and G to have to play the White Sox these next four games it looks like Chris flexon will be starting for the White Sox on Friday night I don't know if they have a person labeled for the Tigers but just according to just what they've gone through on their schedule it would be a TK scoble start for the Tigers and if they're looking to start that series off right we remember T scoble starting off this season with a was a two two to nothing victory over the white sock look dominant in that March start and so not looking forward to him pitching again but if the white socks can do a little bit more spoiling and I saw our San Francisco 4 uh Giants fan in there talking about you know the White Sox Salvage in one game and congratulations hey San Francisco guy when you guys missed the playoffs by one game I want you to know it was us and I will come back and remind you frm the baby 408 that it was us that took you out of the playoffs when you lost the white socks on that August Wednesday afternoon game so they'll do it for the Cho white socks postgame show the White Sox win six to2 oh my God the White Sox have 31 wins to 97 losses only need to avoid going for the worst record in baseball by winning 10 of their last 34 games can they do it we'll see but for Jared Willis who will be at the game this whole weekend right F Friday Saturday Sunday against the Tigers you follow him at J Willis on Twitter follow the game through him that is wise instead of eyes and Vinnie duber our CH beat writer so follow him at Vinnie duber on the Twitter sphere my name is Herb Lawrence eckner wall 23 the next time we do see you live on this station either Roku Youtube or whatever your favorite PL podcast platform is our guy Sean Anderson will be back with us as the host so I hope you guys enjoyed this week and we definitely enjoyed having you guys here and thank you very much to our producer Sarah Victor has been doing some great work sorry I didn't use that last graphic sah but thank you for getting the other one up on this Sunnyside summer Thursday we say Ad [Music] do we all like the mayor