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[Music] welcome to Detroit hey hidey ho Lions fans welcome to the Detroit Lions podcast this is episode of 535 look at us fly this is everything Detroit Lions roster we've got it top to bottom inside outside we got it all covered for you this is the official Detroit Lions podcast for Reddit I am your dashing and glorious and gorgeous host Chris and with me is my the only man even glorious and gorgeous her than the other words I said than I Am Co my wonderful co-host and good friend Jeff the rizen how you doing brother it is I am great um you'll notice I'm wearing a a hat tonight this is not a throwback this hat is about 35 years old I found we're cleaning out our since since our son went off to college we're cleaning things out of our house earn around and I found a bag full of like my college stuff I graduated in 1996 so it's old and I found this hat and I used to wear if you knew me at Ohio University from 1993 to 1996 you probably saw me wearing this hat is it a Schoolhouse Rock hat I can't quite tell what it is Quebec nordes oh no way nice and this comes in honor of the last time that I was in the Lions media room which was last week the last uh practice the scrimmage where uh p got hurt last time we were there uh we were talking about Sega hockey for a good 20 minutes beforehand and I became a massive hockey fan because of Sega hockey in the 90s um2 93 9495 like all BL steel baby Blades of Steel that was a Blades of Steel guy that was a good one too but Sega hockey um my second sophomore year of college was ruined by Sega hockey yeah the I had a I had a friend with the Nintendo and we would work and we'd get off at like midnight we head over to to his place his parents would go to bed they let us hang out we would get we would just drink and play techmobile and Blades of Steel and man yeah the the it took for a long time I had the B pass cheat goal score thing right that that no one else had figured out and the rage the UN just mitigated rage that I would get they wouldn't play me for until I told them how to do it it was great it was good times fun times love it speaking of video games Sig hockey tournament yeah speaking of video games Call of Duty comes out doing the uh beta this weekend if you hit me up Chris at Detroit lons podcast.com or you can tweet at me at uh at Detroit Lions podcast D Lions podcast um we'll hook up I'll be playing I've got I've I took Friday off actually because I haven't had much time off work I'm like I'm going to just bury myself in some alcohol and video games this weekend and just have some fun it's Treyarch I've I've toured their Studio before they're great people so I'm really excited for this it's like it's like college all over again for me for you that's great yeah what is it you know we don't grow old because we we don't grow old CU we we don't stop playing because we grow old we grow old because we stop playing that's the name of the game brother that's true all right I'm looking forward to c 7 coming out when that comes up but I have to get a new laptop because mine won't run it so that's my excuse and and we're going to have an advanced version of beauty Beauty Riz with that guaranteed but the cameras have come a long way since that Dusty old box all right true we got a lot to talk about we got warm Lions we got a lot of lion stuff to talk about warm-ups Detroit Lions roster cutdowns roster decisions the how and the wise what's the strategy what were they thinking what the hell were they thinking and a whole lot more we got a great show lined up R you ready to go by brand let's do it yeah let's kick this off and break it [Applause] down football footb Ball's back awesome got to watch college football last weekend I get more this weekend psyched High School football starts tomorrow night here in Michigan G be fun um for those of you in the West Michigan area actually all around the Mitten State I will be huge tomorrow I am the huge show tomorrow and uh we will be doing mostly lion stuff but uh this a little precursor to that huge is going off to uh attend his son's first game of his senior season and it's a big game for them his son by the way is a very good football player he's not just making that up the kids really really good um he's getting some D1 looks certainly a lot of D2 looks and uh I'm proud of that kid CU I've seen him since he was like here and now he's like here I'm huge every job you're doing great less huge than I used to be uh Ryan smokula I hope I said that right SM smokula hey Chris I left a comment on the video a while ago but I want to say thanks or about those mental health episodes with uh with Jeff were some of the most fascinating content I've consumed on the channel great stuff yeah those were awesome I mean look it it it's an audience that that you of people that care about that sort of thing some people are are just not there it's a mental health is a difficult conversation still to have in society although it's getting a little bit more mainstream but those were if you haven't seen them those are fantastic episodes I mean if you get if you're going through a tough time Give a listen it doesn't matter if it's football or whatever else there there's a lot a lot of good stuff there so all right let's talk about it we got our warm-ups as we gather around the fire here TP cleanup faves again I love I love you're gonna have to explain this one because I'm lost I love these I absolutely love right these these are a lot of fun um and they seem to be getting more extreme every week uh Tim Patrick cleans up makes his way over from Denver hits the practice squad for now um for now also on the practice squad is a gentleman named Allan Robinson who this is interesting we you could you could you could say what you said I'm like I bet TP makes it to the roster the regular roster before aob does and you said I don't know I said he has to get off the plane without injuring himself first and that might be a challenge for Tim Patrick so we'll see we'll see I stole that line from a friend of mine in Denver who I was talking about about him um long and the short of it with Tim Patrick we'll get this out of the way right now he's very talented he's also extraordinarily injury prone and so he fits um I actually made a a snide quip on like Tuesday night when it was clear that that the uh or Monday night that the the Broncos were going to get rid of him and somebody's like hey what do you think of Tim Patrick and I'm like let me let me ask my guy so I asked my guy he's like yeah that's that's the line he gave me he's like he'll be great if he can get off the plane without hurting himself so that that's that's catnip for Brad Brad Holmes though like oh yeah bring me your tire TI you're poor you're sick you're injured and see what we can do with them speaking of that Russ our guy our t-shirt guy has put together a fantastic Brad Holmes shirt uh we got to get get a couple into the building in Allen Park first and then we'll uh we'll release it for the people but it's it's absolutely it's it's awesome I I have a I have I don't know it may probably maybe not right it's it's always a long shot but I have a feeling this is one of the ones that uh one of the coaches would wear the at the podium just to say it's it's a one so good stuff Russ thank you for all you do man it's the you're the best of this okay let's talk about this uh so we got Tim Patrick we got A- Rob on the practice squad we'll go into depth on the practice squad we'll go into depth on the roster but these are two interesting guys because wide receiver has been an interesting position to to to converse about and to watch a guy like dpj made the practice squad right did I see he is not officially on it yet there is one spot open uh the report said he had signed our premature he was not on the Lions released 15 of the 16 they There are 16 openings on your practice squad you're allowed 15 I'm sorry they announced 15 they still have one open they did not announce dpj on the one today everybody else um is people that you know uh but Tim Patrick and Ellen Robins are the only people who were not on the Lions this summer who are on the practice squad now and dpj I heard I heard is going to be the guy I heard he's going to be the guy yeah it's it's it's sounds like that and he knows the offense that makes a lot of sense um he can he can function um when he's at his best he can function better than that but uh we didn't see a lot of his best this summer and that's why he's on the practice squad and not number four or number five wide receiver with them only keeping four not not a lot of drama about that one Chris you know there were a lot of people that were you know wondering what was going to happen with that receiving core I'm just going to say I think the majority of our practice squad right now is starters for the 2020 lions team just just so you oh hell yeah and if you look at so so with the the practice s you're allowed six guys on that who are vested veterans that means that they've got at least four years in the NFL all six of those guys would have absolutely started on the 2020 Detroit Lions like there's no or 2021 Detroit Lions there's no question about it now alen Robinson has looked wash for two years Tim Patrick hasn't played in over two years like there's some caveats with it but know name recognition if that's if that's what's going to get you excited then then he's killing it man like they're bringing in guys with the potential to be big big emphasis on the size there receivers and they need that two things first Rob Newsome dpj probably missed the invite that's that's that's a good one solid right there solid Rob the other the other part is and this is this is why these are such good moves the Allen Rob Robinson one in particular um more so I think than the Patrick one just because it's it's more injuries with with TP but definitely a robob he look he knows everybody who comes to this team knows if you do well you'll play all the other stuff aside all the other Bas aside You'll Play If you do well if you take it serious if you do your job well if you don't and you're just one to if you're you know if you're a floating the bowl turd right you're not gonna see the field you're not going to see the money that comes to making the field that's that period and a guy like aob if there's anything left in that tank this is where he'll show it this is the environment in which he will show it most teams are not built this way and there's too much because of his name because of what he used to do they'll give him a shot throw him in there throw money at him whatever that's not how this group works so I'm I'm interested to see what he might have in the tank if he's look if he's the guy I I think it's it was it was in the slack if he's the guy and has something left he's a solid four yards and a catch every time right I mean that's that that should be what he is able to do without a problem if he's if he's still got anything left and there's something to be said for that right there's definitely something to be said for that so we'll see there there's nothing wrong with giving a home he's a Detroit guy nothing wrong with giving a HomeTown guy a chance to end his career on a title if he's a ring and he chose Detroit it's a good sign yeah yeah very good sign there you go all right so that's it uh faves again so we got the TP clean up he cleans up um faves again um National people we'll just say and uh around some of the the uh the gambling locations the Detroit Lions are favorites against the Los Angeles ramar Ronis what a good way to start the what a good way to start the season favorites over the Rams it's another St homecoming I don't I don't want it and not a lot of juice about that this year thank I want it to stay that way I don't care about them I don't want to talk about it I don't want to hear about it I just want us to beat their ass and send them home that's it the end of story all the other stuff doesn't matter you know there's there's a particular lady involved who probably tried to make it about herself be noisy don't take the bait ignore ignore ignore I hope more than than anything she classes up and she takes that approach as well because I'd have a heck of a lot more respect like if if if they came through town and she she did class up keep the keep the lips locked and just just let it play out and hey good job Lions you won or hey great game we we were able to get one back from you whatever and had class I I I would I would have a my my level of respect would go like the the Grinch's heart three and a half sizes that day I just don't anticipate that happening I just but you know things can happen just one thing with the Rams they really um threw their beat for a loop when they traded their linebacker Ernest Jones uh he is sort of their version of Alex anzelone not necessarily like the greatest player that's known outside but he is the heartbeat of that defense and they traded him for relative peanuts um and nobody really understands why and it's not being well received in Los Angeles and that's going to be something to watch because they're life backers so we just claimed one today so we have seven now Trevor noi is back and I saw somebody asked a question earlier Trevor noi is your backup Sam linebacker the Cardinals were cross trainining him at that Derek Barnes currently does not have a backup on the roster noi played that a little bit last year when he was here they were sort of working to figure out where he fit he's your backup Sam so uh that's that's one of the reasons why he's here but he would probably I don't I wouldn't say he would start but I bet Ben Neeman would for the Rams in week one that's that's where their linebacking core is now just to spin it ahead a little bit we'll do a little bit Advanced preview here where is Jared goof at his best at home with his gorgeous ass wife oh sorry well well that's yeah middle of the field between eight and 15 yards that is where jerro goof is one of the best quarterbacks in the game and has been for some time where's Alan rth St Brown at his best where's Sam leaport at his best who the Rams got there but that I bet that favorite number goes up people realize that buy early if you're Ling the Lions on that one that's all I'll say there you go um they don't match up well with us they don't yeah yeah you're right and I mean look J Mo I just I don't know that they have somebody to cover him I just feel like and their left tackle suspended too yeah yeah J Mo could really eat this game and if he does do you know I I'm look I'm thinking 1984 Tigers uh cars flipped over in fires and stuff if J Mo eats in game one and I and I'm I'm for it I'm behind that that would be such I mean that's that's the the thing that I've been wishing and waiting and hoping for for so long man to have him blow it up in game one and start the season televised audience against a team that a lot of pundits really favor yeah oh man no no don't don't do that I'm just joking but all right well let's get into this uh so favorites again it's good news let's get into the Detroit Lions talk and there's just one time topic across the board today oh no there's not there's one topic I have to talk about before we get to the one topic fantasy football four spots left we have four spots left only this Sunday is the draft intermediate league 30 bucks top four people in the league win money get in there fantasy. 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Detroit Lions podcast.com all right everything Detroit Lions roster 9:15 tonight n we got to be done R is drafting first we're going to 920 I'm number three oh okay you're good you're good all right uh this is it this is the one Brown by the way everything Brown is going to set the NFL record for Targets this year not with J there one of my bold predictions for the year not with J there J's taking Targets this year that many oh yeah Tim Patrick and a robob out there and Monty and Gibbs I hope they do something I really hope they do something Chris like I my expectations are really really low for them but yeah something is better than nothing and right now J's the biggest receiver on the team he weighs 85 lbs he's 6' one nobody else is bigger than that but what do you think about your a and Patrick's even if they're on I mean they're behind Raymond right they're behind yeah leapa they're probably behind Gibbs and mcgomery combined as far as just as many as they're gonna get and J Mo Brown I mean you're Brock wght yeah yeah Brock Wright's gonna get some targets Brock Wright look good this summer y'all he's a very useful tight end too for this team these you could see these guys on the field and it's not even that big of a deal it's just they just so you know it's weird it's really weird to be the Detroit Lions here because like I said that practice squad is very likely all starters in 2020 for this team if not all most most Kyle Pico would have been or PCO I keep saying it's Kyle PCO would have been our best defensive tackle that year you will be seeing him um certainly promoted in week one um because I don't think reader is going to play if he does it won't be much that was that was a little bit of a surprise that PCO didn't make it I think he was on um just about everybody's 53 man projection I I didn't look at a lot of them I looked at a few and uh after I did mine to like compare and contrast and everything I had a in I missed that one I I was I was actually we had to write it uh for the USA Today the wires our biggest surprise cut my was calco um over Nate sudfeld because I'm I'm still happy all right um okay I think I I for the folks that were getting ads I I founded the I think I found the thing for that to fix that I apologize for you guys and gals we love you and for our live people we really try not to make you look at those things so sorry oh man all right let's go we got this let's talk everything Detroit Lions everything Detroit Lions roster um we're going to start off with it's cut down time it's cut down City uh do we have to do the obligatory hey this is a tough day for these guys that've worked all their lives do we have to do the same thing that I mean I I no I know they have and I absolutely recognize that but if it's like you look at people that starting in a week are going to say this guy's trash he's garbage he's a piece of right after just the week before week and a half before saying hey these guys work their whole Liv it's this whole virtue signal yes right they don't really care they're just oh this is that time of year this is the day that I have to say that part it's right there in the schedule it's cut down there I got to say these guys are are good human beings whoever in heart they truly are right I mean that's that's the thing we shouldn't have to say it but unfortunately I guess for some for some folks we do but it's hard and every year you saw it in hard kns every year Coach Campbell and uh Brad Holmes it's a difficult time for them they truly feel that you know what I mean they they in their soul because they they they would keep any one of those guys if they performed if they didn't have to cut down they wouldn't cut down they would churn they would churn that bottom of the roster and find guys they think that are better and they would do that and it's it's again always just for the team to be the best but now they're forced to to get to the very very top the cream of that 53 man crop plus the practice squad and it's hard work I if you've never had to let somebody go you don't know how difficult that is and then to do that to that many guys in a short period of time that's that's I mean it's it's hard for them it's hard for you it's it it it's just hard everywhere so here we go we've got our our roster put together the 53 man the one that I think we'll start with is we should do a quick memorial for Nate sudfeld we barely we barely knew ye my friend we barely knew you we knew him better than we wanted to I really don't want to I am so freaking after what we just said about these guys and you're going right there RZ I I I know you you you set me up to be evil Riz and I don't like that but you're a dark dark man inside and we all know it I I have dark thoughts intrusively dark h just say I am astonished that the Lions made the decision that they did to cut Nate sudfeld that does not mean I'm upset about it one bit yeah yeah one bit that's just two on the roster which is is is interesting because they don't have the emergency quarterback role right and um just so this was a big point of confusion this week a lot of people thought that oh your emergency quarterback can come from your practice squad no they can't we proposed that it didn't pass Soh you have to have three on to have your um quarterback your emergency quarterback now we did sign Jake from I can't fathom him bringing Nate sunfield back now um from by the way and so this is my theory From Here to Eternity sorry go ahead coming from my head Jake fr's performance against the Steelers open Dan Campbell's eyes it's like wow he's been than sudfeld and he didn't even practice this week like he like I was at both practices the entire time he literally did nothing other than catch passes to give to the Long Snapper that's all he did he got zero reps the entire week went out and kicked ass against Pittsburgh think about that too I have to think I have to think yeah what just the message that you sent when do you ever see a quarterback catch a ball it's always somebody catches the ball and hands it to the quarterback there using him to hand it to the Long Snapper this is the perception of this man from the team at that point in time just understand what they're saying without saying something because that's that's to me that is volumes of what they were thinking yeah and uh then he goes out with no practice reps and by the way he didn't get many the week before he was brought in as a camp arm for while hooker had a concussion after the Giants game I think he got he got like two series with the the threes and fours uh the first practice of that week and I think that's it like he just got none and then he went out there and did what he did this is a guy who's bounced around a little bit I think he was in the UFL I don't even I don't know if was or not but never really stood out anywhere else and he came in and did what he did with the receivers that he did it with none of those guys are in the league like yeah I think that opened Dan Campbell's eyes was like holy crap man may maybe maybe we should take the training wheels off of hooker and trust him and if you know if FR could come in fromm's clearly a gamer he always has been going back to Georgia we're as I said often with Nate sudfeld he's a dead end and I wonder again this is just me like spitballing brainstorming out loud I don't know anything about this but my theory is is that Dan woke up and had an epiphany is like I don't need Nate sunfield anymore more Jake from can do just as good from the practice squad um I'd like to I kind of like to roll back on to what you said a little bit about taking the training wheels off a hooker because if we watch the standard play from this staff they get the year to get healed and then it's a training wheels year and then they show up and play yeah I mean that's that's been repeated a million times yeah great great example that um um um Levi right I mean it's it's it's it's it's a standard model that they've done a couple of times it's really interesting you would expect that they would have done that with hooker but they've changed it and I think they see something in henden hooker and I think they like what they see um he's still raw and I think what they see is the pace at which he's growing and I think they think that quickly he will be in place and they're not waiting for it to happen before the training wheels come off they believe they're betting a little that Jared Goff is going to stay healthy and they're not going to need henden right away and they believe that if it gets to that time it'll be long enough that henden will have worked his way up into uh into being able to take that roll on and go with it I I I love I love the mindset it's it's taking a little bit of the the Riverboat Dan kind of mindset of we're going to go for it from we're going to fake a punt from our own 20 right on roster construction it I mean it really is and I think it's a good gamble I I really genuinely do we've seen some of the stuff that hooker can do in in some of the tape and I think the other side of it we've seen what kind of a person he is and the focus when we talk to him in Mobile at the Senior Bowl and and what his the the makeup and strength of this guy mentally is look he didn't have to be there he didn't have to interview and he didn't have to do a whole lot of things but he did and he did it with his head high his chest out and with a confidence of an absolute rock star um I I he just to me I he's got the athletic gifts he's got the mental capability and I think he's going to very quickly prove that he they made the right decision doing this with him I'm I'm I'm still stunned that they did it but I'm so happy that they did um because if if you look at his game against Pittsburgh first four drives he got two first downs they had negative five passing yards he took some really bad sacks and yes I know the line wasn't good um two of those sacks he had plenty of time now he didn't have anybody open which is different story different problem but yeah different problem they've hopefully worked on that a little bit but he needs work he needs time am I confident that he'll come in and be great right away if Jared gof goes down nope not today I I think not on August 28 right right what he's done a lot in training camp and in preseason games his first couple of drives are generally a little shaky like the beginning of every practice Chris you saw it one with when he warms up when he's in practice his first 10 to 12 throws they might not look very good but then he gets settled in a little bit and that kind of happened against Pittsburgh too um some of that was the Steelers pulling their stter some of that was the Lions finding Maurice Alexander coming in and playing big although he did it really with with FR but he just gets it he's gonna be a guy that's not always going to be dialed in right as he comes in um you could see a little bit he had some nerves on him like this is the first game he was starting in a very long time it showed he won't have to he won't have to jump off that bridge the next time and I'm I'm look I've been a big hooker fan for a very long time I continue to see things that I like but it does concern me a little bit I'm I'm not sure that he's ready but I'm also very sure that Nate sudfeld wasn't the answer so them going with hooker let's do it I'm good his name just lends itself to my 12-year-old mind it's great I love it I Absol appreciate your restraint keep yeah no it's great just how he oh it just flows it just flows see you got to work out something with hooker and from there's probably something there yeah yeah the last one I got Ash is 807 let me know if you've got the 807 and if then I maybe I have the count off there may be one spot left in fantasy we have to figure that out we'll let you know very shortly everybody sorry uh okay Bo fly off the show I can read the comments tonight and this one is good because I'm reading it right now it says and with Brunell I can't read who said it with Brunell in the room the the veteran shoulder um to lean on with sudfeld isn't necessary I will also say that the JT JT Barrett is in there and Tanner angrand who was a quarterback is also in there Tanner can still Sling It by the way Brunell can kind of still sling it a little bit I I that's a good comment uh here's another good one from a guy you know as Don well we haven't seen hooker with the ones him behind our starting o line probably look looks way better it's a great point so we have seen that in practice and again he started a little slow um he threw a screen pass that hit pan can't do that but well it depends maybe maybe pan reported as eligible he he was like the refs would allow that by the way Dan Skipper made it surprised me him loved it love I love skips man I I I love I love skip aren't we all RZ aren't we all all got to love the hooker keeping keeping 10 offensive linemen and one of them not being Kingsley auon as a choice we should probably talk about that a little bit that was I thought that auon had passed Michael nie in my eyes he had and the way that he took all so Kevin zitler is our starting R card he is not practiced in some time he will be ready next week but for the first couple of weeks that he was out Michael nce was the the starting Right Guard the last three or four practices Kings Ley aun was and guokun is a better run blocker than nce now and that was that was an interesting one to me now aun's back on the practice squad which is good I'm glad he he got through um and and did because he's got he's got upside there's there's something there and I also say I I feel incredibly validated that I was told at the beginning of of rookie mini camp that they didn't want graham Glascow to be their backup center anymore that they wanted to have an actual Center on the roster they got one in Michael nce and that makes me happy I was fed good information there you go you know who you are feed the Riz all right well let's talk more about this roster who else we got there I don't know if you know have heard of this guy uh number nine Jameson Williams he made it surprised everybody uh another guy another guy only this guy I mean you talk about going to be fun you talk about uh uh PFF ratings this guy barely I mean I don't know if the chart even gets numbers like this how he made the team I don't know uh amona sat Brown is suddenly there at a 91.2 I mean we we haven't really seen him in some time y he didn't play in the preseason yep love him Chris Chris 47 guys sat out the last game they something wrong with the preseason 47 guys on the lion set out two of them were injured three three of them were injured David B John Kaminsky and Emanuel Mosley andyer wasn't active yet how happy is a risden that we have a number 13 and Craig Reynolds on the field I I know he's you got you got a you got a soft spot for him man I know you love our guy here and I I met him I got a picture sitting down on the side line here at Tampa he came up and met him and he was so awesome like genuinely good dude man yeah yes he is he uh I I was I talked about this like this summer he had a great camp like not good he was great uh it was fun to watch him like as I said in Camp he's a hell of a lot closer to David Montgomery than he is being the number four um and that's nothing against vaky VY vy's fun man uh I'm I'm not sure the vaky is going to get a lot of touches on offense especially as a runner he might get a few as a receiver can I tell you something though this is and this is going to be a thing where just looking at the eye test okay strictly the eye test this is just undermines the credibility of PFF Craig renolds has a rating of 76.5 jir Gibbs 76.3 just at the eye test you say right uhuh uhuh something's rotten in Denmark here and uh they they they they do weird things um it's been a long time since I went through their training so I can't really speak to that anymore but they don't always see the forest for the trees from the trees from yes from the trees in their evaluations and it's very specifically with the linebackers running backs tight ends and safeties uh I don't think they understand positional assignments specific to the specific defense very well I I'll give you an example of it um everybody knows I'm not I'm not if Fatu mifan his biggest fan but I think they did him dirty in the last preseason game that he played in because there was a play it was a touchdown play um where Ami Robertson was on uh worthy Xavier worthy who's their version of the Chiefs version of J um J's better no problem with that but he made him move across and it looked like amek thought that he had safety help on that side playing outside technique to to get him to go in but if he had to go and honor the tight end who was running a little bit of an out and PFF dogged dog iffy for the the touchdown on that I'm like that's in in the Lions defense I've watched enough to know it that's that's your Sam linebacker has got a drop back and he didn't um so that's just one example of you know where they're they're they just don't they don't see I wish that they did what they did a few years ago when they employed people for who did the teams who actually like really knew the teams and like understood the concepts and the schemes and the schematic responsibilities of the players and they've gotten away from that and that's frust because it really it does undermine their credibility unfortunate because there are some very good people there um and there're are very smart football people there but they get overshadowed by the ones that aren't those bastards that aren't he's my um there's another guy I mean I'm just I'm I well how do I want to do this there's a young man and that man's name is Trevor do you want to talk about him I know I know you want to talk about him he's back he's back Trevor no Trevor noi back sag Valley State Canton High School Canton Salem High School I believe he went to he went to the same high school that our own Russ Brown did Russ Brown be looking for Bishop Brown very shortly coming on the channel good luck to you uh Russ as you uh lead your football team into combat this weekend bark he's a coach High School coach yeah he always tells me shut up when I'm texting so and I talked about him a little bit um when we were doing the warm-ups but uh he is back he got claimed he was our waiver claim there were 26 waiver claims around the League this year that's uh up from 24 last year uh two years ago there was 33 that's less than one per team on average over the last three years hopefully we are to the point now where we're like oh this guy's never going to clear waivers like because like one guy per team doesn't no Lions this year got cut got claimed which is a little surprising to me I thought thought Steven Gilmore might thought aun might I thought James Mitchell might none of them did Mitchell's back on the practice squad Gilmore's not there's been some people that have questioned that I'll just say he was an easier roster cut than you probably thought he was from making the team last year um it said said a lot when he was on the active roster last year our cornerbacks were as dog feces as they were and they still never tried him that says more about him than anything else oh man all right he did not he did not have a good he he he did not have a good camp or preseason so hope he latches on somewhere else though there's there's something to work with there but uh uh his time in Detroit needed to end and it did so Kirby yeah but noi is back and I'm happy about that he's he's such a hardworking guy he's going to like I said he's going to be your backup Sam um they're going to need some training with that but he is more advanced at that role than Mitchell agude is agud day did not make the roster they were trying to groom him as Barnes backup wasn't really taken all that well but again it's only like a week so like I cut the guy some serious slack on that it's a guy who's never played that position in his life he's asked to do it in a preseason game yeah he's going to struggle a little bit Justin Fields can really run like they played against he played against uh uh um Russell Wilson I couldn't think of his name a little bit too like yeah like that's that's that's get a lot I have I have a young man I'd like to discuss because I think it's it's it's it is news it's not a quarterback type position but it's an always an interesting position young man named Hogan hton has made the Detroit Lions team and I think that was a little bit of a surprise for a lot of people um just to that they would make that change yeah but but to make hard to beat an incumbent yeah yeah especially at that position right you've got a whole season of live fire reps that you're looking at and it's it's you know the first mistake he makes is g to be like right I mean that's that's it's a risky a risky one to go with it is but Hogan Hatton makes a team Long Snapper watch is over for 2024 we have our man um I'm excited about it he he earned it he's a fantastic athlete and uh um Scott Dy is now the Chicago Bears Long Snapper because theirs went on ir and they signed him he's from there I get it from I think neille so like I get why he would want to go home MH Scott Dy was a good guy he's a good Long Snapper he was fine here I would have perfectly happy had he won the job too yeah he didn't go ahead yeah um let's see let's talk about who else who else was a who was a a surprise for you RZ that's on the uh on the live 53 so um Michael N I talked a little bit about him um I expected a guun I also wasn't sure that they'd keep 10 and they did so that was interesting uh Lauren Strickland another undrafted rookie free agent from Ball State he is a body Slammer of a hitter and they're teaching them how to cover on the Fly and it's fun to watch because Dan Camp will brought up in a couple of different uh press conferences unprompted like that guy can go man like he's there's something there he is he made the team because if he's going to be out probably week one maybe a little bit longer they've been very very vague um the way by the way they've been vague behind the scenes too on iffy so we don't really know what's going on we have heard heel but we've heard it it could be an Achilles but not a tear like we've heard he could be a command ISS heel could be a command as well let's be honest it could be yeah who knows it could be in the imperative versus the uh so hopefully he gets back because they do need him he's a big part of the red zone defense specifically they bring him in a lot um in the the old will Harris role remember how will Harris always used to be on the field in the Red Zone yeah and it drove me freaking crazy massively upgraded that role by putting iffy there that makes me happy because he's really really good when all the action is in front of him and in the Red Zone he doesn't have to worry too much about guys behind him and it's a great usage for him um Brian Branch as you're starting safety he and Kirby are never leaving the field like finding a role that he that if he can play and that Brandon Joseph who is the number three four safety however you want to call it he's a lot more of a coverage safety you don't really want him tackling saw that in Pittsburgh you really don't want him like diving at feet that aren't there anymore and with it's an interesting mix with his name badge in the back you've got Brandon Joseph and Kirby Joseph their team's not going to know who's out there they're going to be confus I'm just around it's it's it's negative 3D chest there all right uh oh but good good for Lauren Strickland for making it because there's the guy who was not going to be I don't think he was on many uh 53 man predictions he was not on mine I thought he would be a priority practice squad guy and uh they they chose differently and I'm I'm I'm I'm always happy for the the unheralded guys to make it and he's a Mac guy and uh the Mac sack um I also I want to give a yell out a shout out to a guy who I didn't think was going to be back this year and he's made the 53 Kindle vildor and he showed up really well in uh in training camp this year and some of the preseason I love that kind of I mean I I'll use the vernacular I love a guy with that kind of dog in him a guy that didn't didn't stop didn't give up didn't just Flatline he worked and he improved that there's a lot to be said about that that's something that will in you know and get you in with this coaching staff and get you in with this uh this leadership in a team like this to put that grind put that Improvement in there good on him after I mean God that pass against San Francisco is just it it burns I know it burns him I know it hurts um that to see him come back the way he has good good on him I also I have another guy I want to ask you about um CU I don't know if I want to I don't know if I'm surprised I don't know this is like and I don't know what to do with my hands kind of a thing because I I I it's like standing at a fork in a road that goes six different ways right um okay James Houston on the 53 um he never really hopped this preseason I know he's been hurt we've been watching him right has he recovered haven't seen the b haven't really even seen him in a position where he would actually test it and that's just me I'm sure he's been in that position throughout the the I haven't seen him in that position he's never he just hasn't he's been there but that's about about it talk about him on the roster what they're thinking the wise and and where your heads at with uh Mr James Houston whose Memorial horn we have at the ready at any point in time if needed there you go here we go all right I wanted I I wanted to make you wait cuz the the the visuals were worth it sorry brother that's why you watch the live show ladies and gentlemen he made it um it was clear when Aude got cut or word that agud was getting cut that he was going to make it um and I had him 5050 going into the cuts whether he was going to make it or not and you know there's there's the bend has not come back we've not seen it in practice uh you can ask anybody who's been in practices even even folks who watch just training camp as as guests of the team that's not back yet now one of the things that that has done he has worked at his craftsmanship as a rusher he's had to learn how to win with his hands a little bit he's had to learn how to win with his hip and his shoulder a little bit better because he couldn't do that in the past um he relied very much on setting up where he could use his Bend and he's learning how not to rely just on the bend to finish the sack he he got a great sack against Pittsburgh and that was very encouraging I thought I thought that sack probably got him on the roster uh because when Dan Campbell talked about that he was a tough call like Dan's not blowing smoke up your ass man like he was legitimately on the roster bubble right um I don't want damn blowing smoke up my ass he was chewing tobacco and that's just nasty you don't want that near your ass I would take it any day of the week from Dan Campbell he can do anything he wants to me right so you're Brady Quinn he he he is he is my he can do anything he wants to me all right well we we'll not go down that road so Houston is learning I'm suspect that he's going to be a weekly inactive unless somebody ahead of him is hurt U and Josh Pascal has played very well Josh Pascal talked about embracing being a Power Player and how Terrell Williams the new defensive line coach has been like yeah find an identity be what you want to be but be something and he's he's done well with it he's not nearly as flashy as James Houston in practices I will tell you he's been more effective um he can work the inside shoulder of the tackle he can go inside and attack a guard Houston can't do that it's just not there yet uh Houston cannot and has never been able to go backwards that's one of the one of the reasons why they kept trying to force him to play Sam and it didn't work he just doesn't that's not that's not how he wins he wins by getting burst off the snap getting into the tackle and reacting to the tackle with whether he can go inside or outside and figuring out how to get to the quarterback from there and he's really really good at tacking to the quarterback that's probably his best quality is when he has an opening he gets from A to B like that and that's valuable but that's a very limited role in this and I'll give an example of when he's a tell he's still a tell the the scrimmage uh the second team offense was in was on the second team defense going against Nate sudfeld as the quarterback and sudfeld saw him lined up where he was and sudfeld switched to a run call from like a swing pass and Craig Reynolds took a delayed handoff waited for Houston to run past him took off 60 yards down the field untouched yeah until James Houston can start can stop doing that he's not going to play much but he made the team they see something that's good I do think that there was a market for him had he had they wanted it but it appears that uh that they're they're happy with having him and that's look if he can recapture anything that he got from his rookie year it's awesome yeah I wouldn't count on it though just because of the Medicals and actually Dr Jimmy Lea did a piece today at lionswire he's working for me now I love it thank you Doctor doing great stuff but he talked about and he gave some examples of other guys who've had that same injury and it's not it's not an easy one that's a devastating injury when you break both of the bones at the top of your ankle and have other issues with it which he did that that's not an easy recovery no so my plea to people is do not get angry at James Houston for not being who he used to be he's got to learn to be somebody a little different don't don't do that to him and he's learning to be somebody a little different right and so we'll to see that grow is he trying very hard to do that yep and and look the one thing I'll I I'll kind of well I can point to many of them but the thing you point to is the Lions don't sit on people but they if they believe in you they'll they'll wait and work with you and obviously there's still something that they see in James Houston for them to keep them around question in the chat that I want to go to and I'm going to answer it with with very in very succinct one sentence but you can go on from there uh what was the issue with Gilmore um too small found a ceiling that's what I that's what I'm going to say RZ you can elaborate any further on that if you want he's 170 pounds soaking wet and he can't run long and you saw in the Pittsburgh game he got beat over the top three plays in a row they only caught one of them but he was toast um and that happened regularly this summer when you saw Kaden Davis getting a lot of Buzz early in Camp it was because he was going against step Gilmore yeah yeah it's like Riz was you know top 50% in his class as a bobcat but uh you throw him into Harvard he's going to struggle and that's kind of kind of where where we wound up you got to the gotass I was I was 28 out of 228 I just missed the top 10% oh look at you I was barely made it out all right let's uh let's keep going boy the more they change the more they stay the same here's another good one Jeff homman in the chat I know it's not a popular take but I truly think we're going to miss Josh Reynolds this year take away the NFC champ game and the guy was clutch as hell thoughts and there was also a and I apologize I'm not going to attribute this because I don't remember who said it we got 45 million in cap it was 9 million for Reynolds why didn't we sign him right I I have a I have a thought on the cap piece and and and I'll hold on okay I I think the cap is going to be a lot of roll over cap for us next year because we've got guys we want to sign yeah yeah and when you can roll over and you can upfront them the money and then make it a normal one over time that's that's that's simple math that makes it real fun real easy and you can take care of a lot of guys you normally couldn't take care of so there's there's that side of the having the cap don't just because the money is available don't go Bob Quinn in it be smart with how you use it sometimes you spend it know when to hold them and no when to fold them young man sorry no when to walk away no when to run I see I'm from an era where there was a website called men who look like Kenny Rogers it could still be around I haven't been there in two or three decades but it was hilarious uh yeah yeah Kenny Rogers I don't think people even know who he is anymore but um that's that's one of the things in the cap side on the player side RZ talk about why we don't see a Josh Reynolds on this team and is there exposure based on the way we have uh the wide receivers lined up on the practice squad and on the roster right now yeah there's absolutely exposure he he's he's better than he's probably better than kif Raymond U I love Leaf but he's he's a different style of player so let's put it that way um by the way just for fun if you're down on Leaf compare him and Hollywood Brown over the last three years look at their catch rates look at their explosive play rates think you'll feel a little bit better about Leaf if you're one of the many people that's drafting Hollywood Brown way too freaking early in fantasy drafts say but Reynolds filled a role and some of that was the fact that that Jared gof trusted him and gof doesn't have that he he has that with Leaf like no question about that he doesn't have that with Isaiah Williams he doesn't have that with any of the people who might be elevated from the practice squad in any random week that's frustrating the Lions had a number Reynolds got more than that from Denver not a lot more than that but he did get more than that and uh I don't want to I don't want to give the numbers because I don't know them for sure Dave brette tweeted about it about a week ago because it's been a it's been something that we've got gotten asked a lot and I was told um not long be not long after he signed in Denver that there were people that were close to him that were like man you got to get out of Detroit and like he he pretty much downplayed that and I I appreciate that um he he actually had some of those people contact me and like hey that that wasn't it um it it was a financial decision the Lions had a number he got more than that not again they're they're not going to break their budget for a guy who's going to be fifth in targets like I get that um you can be the Dallas Cowboys and weirdly overpay for random people and not pay your stars although they did pay CD good for them way I'm not one bit afraid of the Dallas Cowboys this year not one bit none but it's uh in Dallas they're always a little bit scary though let's be honest cuz you you got yeah guys on the field emails I get promotional emails from like gambling houses and things all the time I got one yesterday 89% of the money that's on the Dallas Cowboys is on their season win total under and that would set a record that's never happened before so I I'm I'm going to do a little sidejack here crazy but it's related I promise I got are GNA make some money if Dallas is good I got inexplicably triggered today watching the multiplayer reveal on the Call of Duty thing the be thing about working in a digital space is you can always play the play the videos in the background while you're working right and so watching the gameplay and some of the cool stuff coming out but one of the the creators they had was wearing a a Cowboys jersey and I just wanted to throttle that guy so bad I I mean I just all I could all I could think of when I saw him was you know how like the old Bugs Bunny cartoon they would have like a guy and all of a sudden he would like turn into like a lollipop and would say like dum dum on the over on the rapper or whatever to just to prove that he was a sucker that's oh I just I couldn't stand this guy at all I just I was like what a dope I am I am unfortunately triggered by everything Cowboys I I can't can't stand them the history and the stupidity that's gone on in Dallas with that team and the refs and the Lions I I used to love it because we we ruined their their world in the 90s but it's now the shoes on the other foot and I don't like it anymore damn it I don't like it at all sucks oh man okay let's go got D Ash Ash just let us know the dailies will be starting on Monday with the daily DLP he will be back and uh he says happy labor day you filthy animals so there you go um thank you my favorite Canadian friend can't wait for Ash the de he is he's his his I love Ash's his sense of humor I mean Ash is one of those guys that I don't know like if I met him on the street he's a lot like case I never probably would have wound up being friends with him but he's such a good dude and the way his brain works it's it's it's like he picks at people right he he finds their weaknesses and just needles in there and it's exactly the way I like to to operate he like psychologically messes with people it's it's it's Fantastical it is absolutely Fantastical I love how he does it and people that take it seriously will always be triggered but if you can step back and realize who he is and he is genuinely one of the most wonderful human beings he's a porcupine he's got all these needles but he's really soft and furry underneath there he's such a good guy but I guess you're not supposed to get that porcupines are kind of cute Porcupine Tree by the way I listen to some of that their live album today yeah yeah Neil disconnect and wait I love that song I love that song Chris yeah love that song yeah yeah Speak Easy Speak Easy Sports here how you doing brother he's like it wouldn't suck so much if the losses came without controversy exactly like I don't irrational the the the Cardinals which we had a bunch of crappy losses to them it's but they were just crappy losses we did didn't we we had random like even when we were good and they weren't we had random losses to them yeah yeah it was like yeah whatever Cowboys are something different I've been treated very well by everybody that I know in the Cowboys organization primarily their media relations people but I know a couple of their players like there could I like Dak Prescott I I do I think he's a good quarterback I think he can win with Prescott I don't think Dallas can but I think another team can like he's a good quarterback I think he gets so Chris I used to say and you when when I first started doing the show back years ago one of the things that I told you was I don't think there's another player in the NFL who gets hated on by his own fan base more than Matthew Stafford and I think that was true at the time that morphed a little bit I will say the hate that Dak Prescott gets from Dallas fans is far beyond anything I ever saw from Stafford the the hate negativity and far beyond what gof got when he first got here and wasn't Matthew Stanford yeah yeah it's it's weird because I like I think I think Dak Prescott is of equal tiar to Jared Goff but I don't think he's had a lot of help and I don't think that he's he's never gotten really a chance to prove that he's a clutch guy because they just haven't been in any games because they're overhyped all the time they are again this year too at least that's what that's what the beggar the the betters are telling us um that they think they're overhyped we'll see yeah we we will we will see there's more to more to come on all that all right I want to I want to go a little bit meta on this risden by by the way I'm going back if you if you're around on the Call of Duty on Friday for the beta or all weekend email me or hit me up on Twitter I'll play we'll we'll party up I'm PlayStation 5 but I think they're all crossplay any way right now so um I'm going to put some hours in I've got time and I'm like this is the first time I have a little bit of time like that I'm not like working and doing stuff for this and there like the season hasn't started I'm just going I'm disappearing from the earth and just melting into that the game machine so this this weekend um other than college football is my like last time to just chill um Monday I will be in a kayak on a river for a very long time it's going to be unfiltered alcohol fueled Chris this weekend so join the fun while it's here all right so now I want to take a look at this I want to step back a little bit R um I want to talk about comes from that everything good comes from that all the stuff before all the stuff before that we talked about before the show today that that was kind of a fun conversation by the way we were late it was my fault um I did not have the proper microphone thing going on I was I was rambling it was me you don't have to take the heat on that one ber all right so the last one I want to take a strategic look at the Detroit Lions and the strategy behind how they constructed this team because they made some choices that were a little surprising and I think we need to look at who why those CH choices were made so go ahead and hit us in the comments on the if you're watching this afterward we'll we'll we we'll catch those comments we we'll talk to you in the in the chats but live in the in the chat hit us up if you have any questions as well why the heck did they do this or why didn't they do that we'll we'll go ahead and answer those on the on the fly but RZ I'm going to posee to you the question and answer I'm going to give you both what is the most questionable think you thing you think they did and then why do you think they did it I think um I think going with 10 offensive linemen because it prevents you from having a fourth tight end it prevented them from well you know what I'm going to go into the different direction they kept six linebackers now they have seven they run a paase 425 yeah yeah that's so I was looking at the I was doing the PFF lineup look today right and you got your base which is five five in the line and two linebackers and you nickel which is also two linebackers it's like what what wait huh that's you went I think you went to the right place what in the hell was the think in here some of that is the new kick off the new kickoff and kick return um it used to be the defensive backs were very big on that they're not they're not going to play much there um the the days of Chase Lucas being you know an elite special te player CJ Moore they're not big enough they're not they're just not they want linebackers they want Ben Neeman they want germ they want Trevor noi they want Lauren Strickland as a big safety like that's what they're looking for four now and that has changed so that's that's part of it part of it is is that Derek Barnes is going to be on the field a lot as your Sam backer if you want to just call him an extra pass rusher I said it last week on a different different podcast did with ourlads I think dererk Barnes finishes second on this team in sacks maybe third because the Lee might get more I think Barnes is get eight to 10 sacks this year oh my God the blood is rushing away Di a lot and I will say the move to Bri having Brian Branch play safety fulltime opens up the potential to have another linebacker in there because if the let's say the opponent comes out and they're they're in 11 personnel Branch can slide up and play take you'll you'll slide Kirby to single high put Branch over your slot you'll have your two outside corners terion and Carlton and then you've got Derek Barnes they don't have a tight end what do you let me I love this and I want to take it to another question from the chat because they're flying Fast and Furious here uh it is related to tight ends but on the other side of the ball will the lions run more two tight end sets with a shallower receiver room and I'm going to start by yes because Mr Brock who Miss DLP has is smitten with this year by the way I don't know if she didn't realize that she's like where did he come from like oh um he's he's got the hands and he looks like he's going to be a significant I mean look leapor is on the team he's of course the number one he's going to take all the big headlines and stuff but that just makes Brock such a sneaky puts him in such a good spot with the with the qualities and the skills that he's been showing he is absolutely another wide receiver out there and another option potentially ahead of Le leaf or somebody else I Leaf would getting more than Leaf would surprise me but he will get more than whoever number four wide receiver is no no doubt in my mind about that they run a lot of two tight end but only one of them's in line but maybe they're not maybe they're both split out like they they run a lot of funky stuff Ben Johnson's a mad scientist man um he Brock Wright has earned his trust he has earned the trust of Jared gof you see a lot of two we saw a lot of three tight end sets Parker hessie as the number three tight end we should probably talk about him a little bit that was a decision that was made yeah that's a good decision I respect this one because they could have had the sword of blocking specialist in James Mitchell they could have had the receiving specialist in zra they split the difference and took the best allaround tight end in Parker hessie who by the way will also be your fullback on occasion and you will see situations where Parker hessie is an h-back Sam leaport will be in the slot roock Wright will be in line on that side you're going to have jamos standing out on the other side defend that and and and I'm just gonna say on the James Mitchell where's your safety gonna go on the James Mitchell front right you the fact that he's on the P practice squad they haven't get out given up on him but I would tell I would say that he is absolutely unnoticed right the James Mitchell experiment could very well end after this year they and and it'd be unfortunate because he has the physical capabilities it's just he hasn't been able to stick and land stick the land he's one of those guys I'm going to go back in time I don't remember what his R score but I think he I remember him being a pretty good athlete and he's a guy that there's just no suddenness to his game at all they're just it's just not there like I know tested better than that didn't come out that way it's like Jevan Clowny like Jevan Clowny after his first knee like he wasn't the same dude at all anymore he had to relearn how to play he's actually a good example for James Houston of a guy who had to figure out like he was dominant he was a number one overall pick in the draft because of his physical skills they got taken away and he had to learn how to do things differently was your line this is one of your first lines in this podcast when it was still caseing I was like episode 10 I think was the first one you were on and you you it was you were talking about suddenness and you said he has the suddenness of a refrigerator is that the he does we weren't talking about him specifically but we're talking about Michael Roberts who I loved very my draft Crush that year and look I sort of knew that coming out him coming out of too I'm like this guy can be he can be effective um Turned out I was wrong there yeah he could be but he just wasn't right um okay so a couple things on the 8 to 10 sacks um keep talking dirty me RZ I'm M there from Ryan and Michael Luchi 8 to 10 sex for Barnes Chris can I borrow a box of Kleenex there you go all right so Michael has a question why didn't the Lions build more depth at the edges if Davenport goes down which is likely based on history what will the opposite side of Hut look like right Houston and the interior boys are are are going to make a whole world of difference this year compared to last Alem Al's going to be very good this year I think Levi is going to play more Pascal did have a good summer he needs to get more than three sacks in two years no question about that he knows that yeah he's in position uh the issue that I have is that he's always hurt Houston's hurt now separate from his injury that he missed last year with and Dav port's always hurt like there's some risk going on there um uko making the practice squad is good he's got some juice I thought he was a better pass rusher this summer consistently the James Houston was um that they deferred to Houston is probably a nod to him like being there and having done that before but if you looked at them just this summer there's not a single person who was at any practice who would take James Houston over uku but he's earned that and they they're giving him that that respect I I respect that that's good 100 % uh but they they do have guys waiting in the wings and again Barnes playing the Sam you're going to see a lot of him a lot of him you I would say roughly speaking they were in three linebacker sets with Barnes um as the the Sam more than 40% of the time this summer yep um and that that was including when three wide receivers were on the field they stayed in that look a lot more because they trust their linebackers in they trust Jack Campbell and Alex selone in coverage enough they trust their safeties in coverage enough with Branch going back there they can get away with that and do it and it's a way for them to bring more pressure than the offense can block and it's worked so far look we wanted Aaron Glenn to Tred new things he's trying yeah we'll see if it works in the regular season it worked pretty well in the preseason so another another topic that's come up steo has anyone been watching Hard Knocks the Bears got a good roster if kale Williams Williams plays good they could be a real problem more Roman Allen or hell of a trio this is we talked about this in at length behind the scenes at Senior Bowl about Caleb going to Chicago and how that's actually a real problem Dr Detroit yeah Chicago is getting scary most Lions fans are in denial about it I think the first step is that there's a change in our division that's happening right now oddly I feel like Minnesota's always just going to be the Minnesota like number two number three like that's just perpetually where they're going to be they're in a rough spot but that team that inspires so much hatred from lons those Packers all you have to know is they signed themselves Malik Willis he's their backup quar traded for him they traded for him Chris so that and some of the other things we've talked about at the the end screwed on the kicker front they messed up at kicker pretty bad the end of the season before last we talked about a passing of the torch in the division to the Lions we've seen that it's played itself out now this is going to be a Bears and Lions division it really is and I could see there's potential I just don't think they are going to continue to trail I think they're going to continue to Trail downward I am hoping but not this year but I can see a future of the Mike Tomac era returning and I can't I'm here for it I am freaking here for it um the but I think the Bears are the big threat and here's where things get really funny with the financial situation in San Francisco as goofy as it is without even signing a yuk yet you could see a championship game of the Bears and Lions like you could you could that would be surprising to me yeah it would be I can see the Packers in the Lions I can see the Falcons in the Lions well yeah I'm not talking I'm not talking this year it's Caleb Caleb's a rookie but as this as this yeah no no I'm talking as this division is evolving that could very well be where things get to and it's going to be interesting again I'm not talking strictly this year I'm talking about the evolution of the of the division over the next you know two to three years so um I'm I'm really I'm I'm I'm nervous about this Bears team uh and the NFC North could very well returned to that black and blue division of many great teams that that it once was that's where all the competition sits and of course it happens when the lions are good uh okay James Hillman will they call a Tim Patrick or Allen Robinson good question we'll see I think it depends on the injury status of TP yeah he look everything I heard from and I talked to several people in Denver over the last like 36 hours he was great this summer but the Broncos didn't trust that he could stay healthy and that's that's that is what it is he hasn't played since 2021 yep like it's a long time to be out yep yep yep yep all right RZ we're pushing up against our clock here we are we've got uh most of our topics covered here anything else on the strategy that you want to take a a talk about you want to wrap up on how the Lions built this team and what they're built for this year I think they're built you know going with two quarterbacks I like we talked about that um the tight ends only keeping three surprised me a little bit but they got zra and Mitchell back on the practice squad probably see one of them elevated sooner than later um you get two elevations per player probably might burn through those pretty quickly and they'll see which one they like better I don't know um offensive line is fascinating to me because they are rolling I don't know man um their their performance in the preseason was not good no soral Aika um n wasn't great aun had his on was he wasn't super great like Manu is getting better by the day which is great because he needs it yeah he he actually played really well against Pittsburgh and that was very encouraging to me but but they are this this is my biggest concern about the team going into the season we'll split off into a topic we're going to do next week I'll say it now if any of the starting offensive linemen on this team get hurt it is much bigger deal for this specific team with Ben Johnson at the offensive coordinator and Jared gof as the quarterback than it would be for any other contending team to lose on starting offensive lineman so pray to God that Taylor Decker and pan Su and Frank rag now and Kevin zitler and grah Glascow all stay healthy and play every freaking snap because they need to uh I I lost confidence in Kobe sorell he started out great in Camp once the pads came on it wasn't there um manu's not ready for that yet he's just not hopeful that he will be next year I like it I like what I see so far it's been better than I expected I worry about that interior offensive line and the fact that they put so many resources into the offensive line tells me that they don't trust it either they don't know where they're going to turn yeah um that's just my my take on it there you go we got very interesting that they one other thing it was very interesting to me that they only kept four defensive linemen and that they also haven't done anything with John Kaminsky yet they might have done that while we're on the air here but Kaminsky still on the active roster as of now that will not last obviously he's out until at least December if not longer yeah he y he's still active is of the latest I've got right here um I will um oh yeah no that wasn't him that changed okay I will uh say just very quickly we have uh don Burr he's got to go troll a bears chat in two minutes uh don just put that in the CH in the in the in the chat so everyone knows where to go um it's go spit spit roast some Bears fans they're choking on a sausage pushing their still for him give him a good time it's always fun um all right so we got we got all that going on that's a look at the roster that's the big one next 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