Detroit Sports+: Lions win over Chiefs, Michigan/MSU win totals, young Tigers heating up

Intro WELCOME TO DETROIT SPORTS PLUS OR DSP. ARE WE AT THAT POINT YET? YEAH BUDDY. YEAH DSP. >> THAT'S WHAT I HEAR. PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT ON THE STREETS. THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, DID YOU SEE THE DSP? I'M LIKE, WHOA! REALLY CRAZY. IT'S REALLY CATCHING ON. >> GREAT. IN YOUR MIND OR IN THE ACTUAL WORLD? >> ALL OF KEN'S FAMILY MEMBERS ARE WATCHING. >> YEAH. ALL MY ALL MY WHOLE FAMILY. >> WELL, THE ENTIRE FAMILY. THANK YOU FOR WATCHING. ALONGSIDE DEREK HUTCHINSON, BEN BELL AND KEN HADDAD. I'M HOBIE ARTIGUE. THANK YOU, OF COURSE, FOR WATCHING DETROIT SPORTS PLUS A LOT TO DIGEST TODAY, ESPECIALLY THE LIONS SECOND PRESEASON GAME. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY, WELL, IT'S JUST THE SECOND PRESEASON GAME. THAT'S ALL IT IS. BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF HIGHLIGHTS, AT LEAST THIS WEEK COMPARED TO LAST WEEK WHEN WE READ THIS. Lions win over Chiefs >> IT WAS ACTUALLY FUN TO WATCH THE GAME THIS TIME. UNLIKE THE FIRST PRESEASON GAME. IT WAS FUN, I DON'T KNOW, THE FINAL THREE QUARTERS WERE GOOD. YEAH, I MEAN, A LOT OF THE GUYS THAT WE WERE HOPING TO SEE SOMETHING FROM, WE AT LEAST GOT TO SEE THEM PLAY EXTENDED MINUTES. SO IT WAS AT LEAST INTERESTING FOR ME. >> IT STARTED IN THE SECOND HALF WHEN THEY BOOTED SUDFELD OFF THE FIELD AND THEN FINALLY GOT TO SEE HENDON COME OUT, THAT WAS ALL I WANTED TO SEE. I JUST WANTED HIM TO PLAY SMART AND NOT SO OVERLY ANXIOUS LIKE HE WAS THE FIRST PRESEASON GAME AND HE CHECKED ALL THOSE BOXES. MAKES SMART, THROWS WITH HIS WITH HIS ARM AND USE HIS LEGS, SPARINGLY. I DIDN'T WANT TO SEE HIM JUST TAKE OFF RUNNING EVERY TIME HE COULD. SO IT WAS NICE TO SEE HIM BE SMART, BE PATIENT. AND THAT WAS GREAT TO SEE. >> WHAT MORE CAN YOU ASK FOR THAN A FOURTH QUARTER PRESEASON RALLY? I MEAN, COME ON, MAN. WITH THE GAME WINNING FIELD GOAL, GAME WINNING FIELD GOAL ON THE LEG OF OUR OUR SOON TO BE HALL OF FAME KICKER, JAKE BATES. BATES. DELICIOUS. I MEAN, YOU REALLY COULDN'T. YOU COULDN'T HAVE DRAWN THAT UP BETTER. I MEAN, HENDON LEADING THE TM DOWN, JAKE BATES FINISHING IT OFF. ARROWHEAD CAN'T HANDLE IT. CAN'T STOP. THEY CAN'T HANDLE IT. >> AND LOOK THAT THAT STARTING DEFENSE DOWN A LOT OF THE STARTERS HELD PATRICK MAHOMES AND THAT OFFENSE TO TWO FIELD GOALS. GRANTED THEY HAD A BIG PLAY BUT I WAS IMPRESSED BY THE DEFENSE. SO MANY PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE OFFENSE, BUT THE DEFENSE STEPPED UP THE GUYS WHO NEEDED TO AT LEAST. >> YEAH, LIKE YOU SAID, THE CHIEFS ACTUALLY DID PLAY SOME STARTERS IN THAT GAME, INCLUDING PATRICK MAHOMES. AND THE DEFENSE HELD ITS OWN. SO A LITTLE BIT OF A PASS RUSH A LITTLE BIT OF YOU KNOW COVERAGE IN THE SECONDARY. SO THE THINGS THAT WE WERE WORRIED ABO COMING INTO THE PRESEASON THEY'RE LOOKING OKAY. >> WHAT ARE THE CHIEFS DOING BY THE WAY PLAYING STARTERS. LIKE I COULDN'T BELIEVE MY I COULDN'T BELIEVE WHAT I WAS SEEING. LIKE I WAS CHECKING THE BOX SCORE. JUST I WAS LIKE DID EVERYONE PLAY LIKE TRAVIS KELCE HAD A CATCH. I WAS LIKE, WHAT ARE THEY DOING BEHIND THE BACK PASS CATCH? >> I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THEY PLAYED. HE WAS JUST LIKE, GUYS, I JUST WANT TO GO OUT THERE AND THROW THIS. I JUST WANT TO THROW ONE. >> WE GOT TO DO THE THING. YEAH. >> FORGET PRACTICE. LET'S DO THIS FOR REAL. YEAH, SPEAKING OF HENDON, YOU BROUGHT HIM UP. BEN. THAT WAS THE SECOND TIME. WE HEN HOOKER DIDN'T KNOW AT THIS POINT LAST WEEK IF WE WERE GOING TO SEE HENDON ON THE FIELD AFTER HE WAS PUT INHE CONCUSSION PROTOCOL, BUT HE CAME BACK WEDNESDAY AT PRACTICE FOR THE LIONS. AND THEN WE SAW HIM TAKE THE ENTIRE SECOND HALF. WHAT JUMPED OUT TO YOU? BEN'S KIND OF ALREADY GIVEN HIS TAKE ON WHAT WHAT HE SAW FROM HENDON. WHAT DID YOU SEE? >> YEAH. MOSTLY POSITIVE. LIKE YOU SAID, THE MAIN THING WAS THAT HE WAS HEALTHY AND HE PLAYED AND HE STAYED HEALTHY, HE SHOWED THAT HE CAN MAKE THROWS. HE HAD A COUPLE REALLY NICE THROWS INTO TIGHT WINDOWS. ALSO MISSED A COUPLE PASSES. AND WE HAD A THIRD AND ONE PLAY THAT WE SAW WHERE HE SORT OF DIDN'T KNOW WHERE TO GO. HE WAS INDECISIVE. ON WHETHER HE WANTED TO RUN OR WHETHER HE WANTED TO PASS. SO THERE'S STILL SOME THINGS TO CLEAN UP, BUT WE SAW THE TALENT AND WE SAW WHY THE LIONS WERE CONFIDENT ENOUGH TO PICK HIM IN THE THIRD ROUND. >> YEAH, HE'S HE'S GOT SOME JUICE. WHEN THE WHEN HE'S ON OFFENSE AND HE MOVES THE BALL AND YOU KNOW HE'S GOT SO MUCH UPSIDE. THIS GUY WAS ON HIS WAY TO A HEISMAN SEASON BEFORE HE GOT INJURED. AND SO I LOVE HIS CEILING OVER NATE SUDFELD. HENDON IS YOUR BACKUP QUARTERBACK. >> DO YOU NOT LIKE NATE SUDFELD. I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT YOUR STATS. I DO NOT STAND ON THAT. >> I'M NOT A FAN OF THE GLORIFIED GLORIFIED CLIPBOARD BACKUP QB. OKAY, YEAH, JUST THE JOURNEYMAN. >> YEAH, I'M NOT A FAN OF THAT. YEAH, YEAH, HE WAS REALLY EFFICIENT, SO I WAS HAPPY ABOUT THAT. AND IT'S JUST GREAT TO SEE A QUARTERBACK THAT CAN SCRAMBLE AND GET SOME YARDS, BECAUSE JARED GOFF AIN'T DOING THAT WEL. >> I THINK HE WAS ZERO FOR TWO PASSING THE BALL TO START OFF THE GAME. AND THEN AFTER THAT HE ONLY HAD ONE INCOMPLETE PASS. >> THAT FIRST INCOMPLETE THAT WAS THAT WAS BAD TO YOUR BOY DORIS. MAN I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO SEEN, DORIS GET A NICE CATCH THERE BECAUSE HE LOOKED LIKE HE HAD SOME OPEN FIELD, AND I. YOU KNOW, I FEEL BAD FOR THE GUY BECAUSE HE SHOWS UP IN TRAINING CAMP, AND WE'VE BEEN WOWED BY HIM EVERY TIME WE GO OUT THERE. AND HE'S JUST HASN'T SHOWN UP IN THESE GAMES. AND I REALLY WISH HE WOULD HAVE CAUGHT THAT AND MADE SOMETHING HAPPEN. THAT WAS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM. >> YEAH, YEAH, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER WIDE RECEIVERS WHO ARE SHOWING UP IN THESE GAMES, ESPECIALLY ISAIAH WILLIAMS. I AN HIM TO ME EVEN MORE SO THAN HENDON STOOD OUT BECAUSE HE WAS MAKING PLAYS IN THE RUN GAME, MAKING PLAYS, RECEIVING. HE WAS, YOU KNOW, BACK CATCHING PUNTS. HE DID MUFF ONE OR HE DID FUMBLE ONE. BUT MOSTLY ISAIAH WILLIAMS HAS BEEN ARGUABLY THE STANDOUT PLAYER FOR THE LIONS THIS WHOLE PRESEASON. I WOULD SAY, OH, A 71 RECEIVING YARDS THE OTHER NIGHT. >> YEAH THAT CATCH HE HAD FROM HENDON THAT 37 YARD PLAY PUT IT IN THE RIGHT SPOT. BUT YOU GOT TO SEE HIS WHEELS. AND A LOT OF THIS IS AN UNDRAFTED GUY BY THE WAY WHO LED THE BIG TEN IN RECEPTIONS LAST SEASON. MORE THAN MARVIN HARRISON JR. HE WAS ONLY CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BUT HE WAS ONLY BEHIND MARVIN HARRISON JR FOR YARDS. I THINK I'LL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE STAT IS. BUT MY QUESTION IS HOW DOES A GUY LIKE THAT GO UNDRAFTED? >> I MEAN IT'S BECAUSE HE'S NOT HE'S NOT THE FASTEST WIDE RECEIVER. HE DOESN'T HAVE GREAT SIZE. HE JUST HAS ALL THESE. YOU KNOW, LIKE 50 GRADE TOOLS THAT COME TOGETHER AND THEY END UP WITH A REALLY SOLID PLAYER. AND I THINK HE'S SHOWING THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A PLAYER LIKE THAT, A GREAT POSSESSION RECEIVER, HE DOESN'T NEED, YOU KNOW, A LONG TIME TO SHOW WHAT HE CAN DO. HE'S JUST SORT OF SOLID AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE'S GIVEN THE LIONS SO FAR. >> IT'S LIKE HE DIPS HIMSELF IN E NOBODY CAN TACKLE HIM. HE JUST SLIPS OUT OF EVERY TACKLE. THERE WAS ONE PLAY WHERE HE LIKE I THINK LIKE SIX GUYS TOUCHED HIM AND HE STILL DIDN'T GO DOWN. MAN, HE HE'S GOT SOME PLAYMAKING ABILITY. I'D LIKE TO SEE HIM MAKE THIS ROSTER. >> YOU DIP YOURSELF IN BUTTER BEFORE THE SHOW, DON'T YOU? YES I DO, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. THE WIDE RECEIVER BATTLE HAS TURNED OUT TO BE WAY MORE INTERESTING THAN I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE. LIKE WHEN WE SAT AND TALKED ABOUT THIS A FEW WEEKS AGO, WE KIND OF HAD A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHO THE THREE, MAYBE FOUR WIDE RECEIVERS WERE GOING TO HAVE. NOW, I'M NOT REALLY SURE. >> LIKE WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE DEEP RIGHT? YEAH, FOR SURE. I DIDN'T EVEN GO INTO RIGHT. LIKE I REALLY DIDN'T THINK THAT HIS ROSTER SPOT WAS EVEN DEBATABLE. AND NOW I REALLY DO. I REALLY THINK THAT HE'S IN DANGER OF LOSING A LOT OF CONFIDENCE. I MEAN, BECAUSE DONOVAN, IT'S NOT LIKE HE COMES INTO THIS SEASON WITH ALL OF THIS NFL PEDIGREE, RIGHT? WE SAW HIM AT MICHIGAN. WE KNOW HE WAS A FIVE STAR OUT OF DETROIT. AND THAT'S WHY WE KIND OF HOLD HIM IN A LITTLE BIT HIGHER REGARD. BUT TO BE HONEST, HE REALLY HASN'T DONE MUCH IN THE NFL. SO IF HE'S A NO SHOW FOR THE THIRD PRESEASON GAME AND GUYS LIKE GUYS LIKE ISAIAH AND, WHO ARE WE JUST TALKING ABOUT? CADEN DAVIS, CADEN DAVIS, IF THOSE TWO GUYS CONTINUE TO PRODUCE, I DON'T THINK THAT DONOVAN PEOPLES-JONES IS ESTABLISHED ENOUGH TO BE COMPLETELY SAFE. >> SO WE LOOK AT THE PRESEASON Lions WRs GAMES SO FAR, THOUGH, AND ALL OF THE GUYS WHO ARE MAKING PLAYS ARE NOT SIX, TWO AND ABOVE. LIKE WHENEVER WE WERE TALKING A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ABOUT WHAT IS YOUR PROTOTYPICAL NUMBER THREE LOOK LIKE? YOU NEED A GUY WITH SOME SIZE ON THIS ROSTER. DO YOU THINK IT'S FEASIBLE FOR THE LIONS TO GO INTO THIS SEASON TO HAVE THEIR TOP THREE RECEIVERS, MAYBE TOP FOUR RECEIVERS, ALL LIKE SIX ONE AND UNDER ITS MAN. >> YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. I MEAN, IS THAT OVERRATED? JMO SHOULDN'T BE YOUR TALLEST RECEIVER. I DON'T THINK. BUT HAVING SAM LAPORTA AND A TIGHT END ROOM THAT HAS GUYS WHO CAN CATCH THE BALL MAYBE GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY TO DO IT IN A VERY SPECIFIC SCENARIO LIKE THE ONE WE HAVE. >> IF THAT'S WHAT WORKS FOR THIS OFFENSE, THEN I SAY JUST GO WITH IT. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THEM STICK A BIG BODY IN THERE JUST TO HAVE THAT BIG BODY. I MEAN, IF IT DOESN'T FLOW WITH THIS OFFENSE AND I THINK THEY'RE OKAY WITHOUT THAT BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF GUYS WHO CAN GET YARDS AFTER CATCH. >> THEY'RE JUST SPEEDY, LIKE AGILE GUYS. THEY JUST THEY THEY GET THINGS DONE. THEY MAKE PLAYS. ONCE THEY GET THE BALL, EVEN IF IT'S IN THE BACKFIELD OR A QUICK PASS OR A SLANT OR WHATEVER, THEY MAKE PLAYSSO A LOT OF CROSSING ROUTES, THERE'S A LOT OF CROSSING. YEAH, THEY WORK THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD ALMOST BETTER THAN ANY OTHER TEAM LAST YEAR. LIKE THEY THAT WAS THE WHOLE THING WITH THE 40 NINERS. RIGHT. THEY WERE LIKE THE BEST DEFENSE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD. BEST OFFENSE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD. THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE DOING THAT. >> PRETTY MUCH EVERY NATE SUDFELD COMPLETION WAS A DUMP DOWN TO LIKE FIVE YARDS DOWN THE FIELD. RIGHT. IT WAS LIKE ME PLAYING NCAA FOOTBALL. YOU KNOW IT'S LIKE JUST I CAN'T THROW A PICK HERE. SO I'M JUST GOING TO DUMP IT DOWN TO VARKEY AND LET HIM GO. >> BUT THAT DRIVE HE HAD RIGHT BEFORE THE HALF I KNOW, I KNOW, I'VE TALKED ABOUT IT EVERY SINGLE SHOW THAT WE'VE DONE, BUT HE LOOKED REALLY GOOD IN THE PASSING GAME. WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT GUYS MAKING THE ROSTER. LIKE YOU CAN MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT HE'S CARVING HIMSELF OUT A SPOT IN THIS OFFENSE POTENTIALLY. >> I THINK HE CLEARLY IS THE RUNNING BACK THREE OVER CRAIG REYNOLDS. I MEAN, HE JUST NOT ONLY IS HE SHOWING THAT HE CAN DO MORE, BUT HE ALREADY HAS DONE MORE THAN CRAIG REYNOLDS REALLY HAS EVER DONE THAT I CAN RECALL, OTHER THAN THE BLOCK. >> BUT THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, THE POST GAME. A LOT OF THE PLAYERS WERE TALKING ABOUT HIM AS BEING THIS REALLY LIKE HE'S JUST SHOWING UP. AND THE LIONS SOCIAL MEDIA HAS BEEN PUMPING HIM UP A LOT. LIKE THEY POSTED SOME QUOTES ABOUT HOW HE'S BEEN PLAYING. I'M LIKE, I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE KIND OF STARTING TO BUILD A LITTLE CASE HERE FOR THE RUNNING BACK THREE, AND IT JUST FEELS LIKE THAT'S THE RIGHT FIT. >> AND THE IMPRESSIVE PART TO ME IS THE FIRST PRESEASONAME. WE SAW HIM RUN BETWEEN THE TACKLES. THIS LAST ONE THAT WE SAW, WE SAW HIM CATCHING OUT OF THE BACKFIELD. IF YOU WANT A WELL-ROUNDED RUNNING BACK THREE, I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU GOT. NOT BAD FOR A GUY WHO JUST STARTED PLAYING THE POSITION OUT OF URGENCY AT UTAH. IT'S JUST CRAZY. ALSO, THE KICKING COMPETITION, IS IT EVEN A COMPETITION AT THIS POINT? NO I MEAN JAKE, JAKE, JAKE, JAKE BATES IS YOUR STARTING KICKER GOING INTO THIS SEASON 100%. >> HOW CAN YOU HOW CAN YOU NOT? I MEAN, FIVE FIELD GOALS IN THE PRESEASON, FOUR FOR FOUR THE OTHER DAY. >> YEAH, I MEAN, WE KNEW JAKE BATES HAD THE BIG LEG, RIGHT. AND WHAT WE WANTED TO SEE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF CONSISTENCY IN THE MID-RANGE. SO WHAT DID HE DO AGAINST THE IEFS? HE HIT ONE FROM LIKE BELOW 30. BELOW 40. BELOW 50. AND THEN LIKE 55. SO HE WENT OUT. HE SAW HE HE SHOWED. HE CAN MAKE ALL THE KICKS EXCEPT FOR AN EXTRA. YOU MISSED THE EXTRA POINT. AND IT JUST LIKE IT'S ANNOYING BECAUSE WE JUST WE HAVE TO BE LIKE IT IS. >> I WATCHED A LOT OF KICKERS MISS EXTRA POINTS LAST YEAR, SO Jake Bates IT DIDN'T FAZE ME TOO MUCH. BUT I WAS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT GO THROUGH. >> I WAS WATCHING IT THOUGH AT ONE POINT IN THE GAME BECAUSE RIGHT THERE, THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE GAME FOR THE LONGEST TIME. YEAH, YEAH. BUT THEN HE COMES BACK AND MAKES UNDER THE PRESSURE OF WINNING A PRESEASON GAME. >> JAKE BATES CAME THROUGH AND THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS. >> BUT YOU SAY THAT YOU YOU SAY THAT A LITTLE FACETIOUSLY. BUT THAT WAS AT ARROWHEAD STADIUM TOO. AND THERE WERE A LOT OF FANS THERE. >> I MEAN, HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN CARRIED OFF THE FIELD. >> YOU CAN'T LIKE FOR SURE. THAT'S COVERED ANY HOT TAKES, ANY HOT TAKES, ALL RIGHT. >> BENNY. RUDI. >> NO, I'M I'M JOKING. BUT I'M ALSO BEING SERIOUS. I MEAN, IT IS A GAME WINNING FIELD GOAL. AND, YOU KNOW, NO MATTER WHAT SITUATION YOU'RE IN, YOU'RE AN ATHLETE. YOU WANT IT. YOU'RE COMPETING. YOU YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT. YOU'RE STILL FEELING THE PRESSURE, RIGHT? IF HE MISSED THAT, WE'D BE TALKING ABOUT JAKE BATES NOT NOT BEING THE KICKER TODAY, RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE'S NO THEY PROBABLY HAVE ANOTHER GUY IN ALLEN PARK RIGHT NOW. >> THERE'S NO CLER WAY TO SIMULATE A GAME WINNING KICK IN AN NFL GAME WITHOUT BEING IN THE NFL SEASON THAN A PRESEASON GAME RIGHT ON THE ROAD OUTSIDE. THAT IS LITERALLY CRAZY. YEAH, YEAH, I THINK JAKE BATES IS GOING TO HAVE SOME MISSES THIS YEAR THAT HAVE US, YOU KNOW, PULLING OUR HAIR OUT. EXCEPT FOR ME. BUT, BUT BUT HE'S ALSO GOING TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THE LIONS A LOT OF LENGTH, ESPECIALLY AT FORD FIELD. AND YOU KNOW, THAT HAS VALUE TOO. SO HE'S GOING TO HE'S GOING TO HAVE THE JOB EARLY IN THE SEASON. WE'LL JUST SEE IF HE CAN MAKE ENOUGH EASY KICKS. >> I'M CURIOUS THOUGH 250 PLUS YARD FIELD GOALS. DO WE SEE DAN CAMPBELL NOT GO FOR IT ON FOURTH DOWN AS MUCH THIS SEASON? BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN THIS TEAM'S BREAD AND BUTTER. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE IN THE NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME WERE LIKE WELL THEY SHOULD HAVE KICKED A FIELD GOAL. THEY SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THE POINTS. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS TEAM'S IDENTITY HAS BEEN THE LAST FEW YEARS. >> MAYBE A LITTLE BIT. BUT I DON'T THINK DAN'S CHANGING HIS PHILOSOPHY ALL THAT MUCH. LIKE HE'S NOT FOR JAKE. HE'S A RISKY GUY. HE'S THAT'S HOW HE'S GOING TO PLAY. IF HE JUST SHOWED UP THIS YEAR AND HAD THIS REALLY CONSERVATIVE APPROACH AND WAS KICKING ALL THESE GOALS, IT WOULD BE KIND OF IT WOULD IT WOULD JUST BE REALLY SURPRISING. I DON'T SEE THAT. MAYBE HE OPTS TO KICK A COUPLE MORE FIELD GOALS HERE AND THERE. >> I AGREE, I THINK IT'S MORE OF A GAME TO GAME FEEL, YOU KNOW, RIGHT THING LAST YEAR IN SANTHE FRANCISCO. Lions injuries >> REFERENCE, ANYONE WHO DISAGREES, COME TALK TO ME, BUT YES, I THINK HE'LL KICK MORE FIELD GOALS IF HE HAS A FIELD GOAL KICKER WITH WITH SOME LENGTH. I JUST THINK HE KNEW THAT HIS KICKERS WEREN'T RELIABLE LAST YEAR. AND IF JAKE BATES KEEPS PROVING THAT HE CAN MAKE THEM THEN ON LIKE THE FOURTH AND FIVES OR FOURTH AND SIXES, I THINK THE LIONS ARE GOING TO KICK. AND ON THE FOURTH AND ONES AND TWOS, THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GO. >> ALSO AT THIS POINT LAST MONDAY, THIS TEAM WAS RELATIVELY HEALTHY FOR THE MOST PART. BUT THEN THAT MONDAY NIGHT PRACTICE HAPPENED, TERRION ARNOLD LEFT ENNIS RAKESTRAW LEFT. OH, AND ALSO, BY THE WAY, THE BIG ONE JAHMYR GIBBS LEFT THE FIELD. DAN CAMPBELL GOT ON THE RADIO LAST WEEK AND SAID, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYBODY IS GOING TO BE FINE HEADING INTO THE REGULAR SEASON. IS THERE ANY CONCERN ON YOUR PART HEADING INTO THIS YEAR THAT ONE OF THESE INJURIES COULD END UP BEING BIGGER THAN WHAT IT IS AT THIS POINT IN TIME? >> THE HAMSTRING, I MEAN, HAMSTRINGS CAN BE TRICKY, MAN. LIKE THERE'S SOME ATHLETES THAT NEVER GET OVER THAT. THEY JUST KIND OF LINGER EVERY WEEK AND THEY'RE LIKE QUESTIONABLE EVERY WEEK. AND THEY, YOU KNOW, LIKE FOR YEARS LIKE THAT HAPPENS TO ATHLETES. YEAH. NOW HOPEFULLY THAT'S NOT THE CASE. IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT'S THE CASE WITH GIBBS. IF HE'S GOING TO BE FINE. AND YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY IT WOULD HAVE ONLY BEEN A FEW WEEKS. SO IF HE'S READY TO GO, HE'S READY TO GO. BUT GIBBS, I'M NOT SUPER WORRIED. >> HE'S BUILT LIKE A BRICK HOUSE, SO I THINK HE'LL BE FINE. I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THAT GUY EVEN WORKS OUT HIS HEAD. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET MUSCLES ON YOUR HEAD, BUT HE DOES, BUT NO, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT. I THINK THESE GUYS WILL BE READY TO GO. >> YOU HAVE TO SMILE A LOT. >> YEAH, I'M A CHRONIC WORRIER. YES. I'M WORRIED. THE LIONS HAVE THREE WEEKS UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY KICK OFF THE SEASON. SO MY WORRY LEVEL IS LIKE MINIMUM, OBVIOUSLY. BUT AFTER LAST YEAR, THAT'S RASH OF INJURIES THAT HIT THE LIONS OVER LIKE THAT 3 OR 4 WEEK SPAN. I'M JUST YOU KNOW YOU ST DON'T WANT TO GET THAT BALL ROLLING. AND I HOPE TO SEE THOSE GUYS A LITTLE BIT IN THE THIRD PRESEASON GAME. THAT WOULD DO A LOT TO SORT OF MAKE ME FEEL CARLTON DAVIS ALSO DEALING WITH AN INJURY TOO. >> SO YOU'RE TALKING RIGHT THERE, THE GUY YOU TRADED FOR AND YOUR FIRST TWO DRAFT PICKS ALL IN THE DEFENSIVE BACKFIELD DEALING WITH SOME KIND OF AILMENT? YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU THOUGH. SEEING JUST SEEING THEM OUT THERE IN UNIFORM WOULD WOULD KIND OF EASE THE MIND FOR SURE A LITTLE BIT. ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO SEE IN THE IN THE FINAL PRESEASON GAME AT AT FORD FIELDY THE WAY, >> NO, I JUST WANT TO SEE NO INJURIES. I JUST I'M JUST. EVERYBODY JUST GET OUT OF THIS GAME HEALTHY AND THAT'S IT. >> I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE HYPE IN THERE, THOUGH. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE REALLY HYPE BECAUSE I THINK LIONS FANS ARE JUST SO AMPED RIGHT NOW THAT THAT PRESEASON GAME IS GOING TO BE LIKE, IT'S GOING TO FEEL LIKE A REAL HOME GAME. I THINK. SO, YEAH, I REALLY DO. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE PACKED. IT'S GOING TO BE THERE'S GOING TO BE LIKE A LOT OF EXCITEMENT CARRYING OVER FROM LAST YEAR. >> YEAH. GOLF CHANTS, GOLF CHANTS. >> YEAH. THERE'S GOING TO BE EVERYTHING. IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE A LITTLE LIKE HOMECOMING. YEAH. >> I THOUGHT THE BACKUP OFFENSIVE LINE PLAYED A LOT BETTER THIS WEEKEND IN KANSAS CITY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT CONTINUE IN THE THIRD PRESEASON GAME BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO NEED SOME OF THOSE GUYS DURING THIS SEASON. AND I'D LIKE TO SEE HENDON PLAY THE FIRST HALF. I KNOW THAT IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHICH HALF THEY PLAY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM ACTUALLY GET, YOU KNOW, THE START AND PLAY AGAINST THE OTHER TEAMS. IF THE OTHER TEAM DOES A LITTLE BIT BETTER, A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THEIR OF THEIR OTHER OF THEIR STARTING GUYS, I'D LIKE TO SEE HIM GET THAT OPPORTUNITY. SO I THINK THAT SIMULATES A REAL GAME A LITTLE BIT BETTER. WHEN YOU GET TO GO OUT THERE AND START. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. AND I THINK THE LIONS WILL DO IT, BUT THEY'VE REALLY STUCK WITH SUDFELD. YEAH, I PROBABLY WOULD. >> BUT WHY ARE THEY DOING THAT. >> THAT WOULD BE THE CHANCE FOR HIM TO SHINE THOUGH, TO GET THAT OPPORTUNITY. >> I WAS HONESTLY SHOCKED WHEN I SAW THAT SUDFELD WAS STARTING. >> YEAH. THE LIONS, YEAH I WAS A LITT SURPRISED. THE LIONS TRY TO BE SO, YOU KNOW, FAIR LIKE THIS GUY EARNED IT. SO HE'S GOT IT. AND I THINK HENDON HAS EARNED IT THE FIRST TWO GAMES. SO HOPEFULLY HE WILL GET THE START. >> AND ALSO SUDFELD HAD MORE PRACTICE REPS LAST WEEK TO GO PRACTICE. YOU TALK ABOUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PRACTICE AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THIRD PRESEASON GAME. WHILE WE'RE AT IT, PRACTICE. STILL MUCH MORE TO COME HERE ON DETROIT SPORTS. PLUS WE'RE TALKING SOME COLLEGE FOOTBALL GAME WEEK ALMOST HERE FOR BOTH MICHIGAN AND MICHIGAN STATE. WE'LL DIVE INTO THAT COMING UP AFTER THE BREAK Michigan COLLEGE FOOTBALL TIME HERE ON DDSP, ALONG WITH BEN KEN I LIKE THOSE TWO NAMES TOGETHER. AND DEREK IT WORKS. YEAH WELL WE SAVE THE BEST FOR LAST. HOW ABOUT THAT? YEAH. AND, WELL, WE'LL GO TO YOU FIRST RIGHT HERE BECAUSE MICHIGAN SEASON IS ABOUT TO GET GOING WITH THAT FIRST GAME OF THE YEAR COMING UP AGAINST FRESNO STATE, THE DEFENDING NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, RETURNING TO THE FIELD WITH A LOT OF NEW PIECES GOING INTO THIS YEAR. MICHIGAN'S PROJECTED FOR NINE AND A HALF WINS AT THIS POINT IN TIME. FAIR ASSESSMENT. OR SHOULD IT BE MORE OR LESS. >> IT'S VERY FAIR. I THINK YOU COULD GET AWAY WITH EIGHT AND A HALF, HONESTLY, JUST WITH HOW MUCH THEY LOST COACHING STAFF, SPECIFICALLY THE OENSE AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE. THE SCHEDULE IS REALLY TOUGH TOO. SO IS THAT A FAIR OVER UNDER? ABSOLUTELY. I LIKE I SAID, IT COULD HAVE BEEN EIGHT AND A HALF, COULD HAVE BEEN NINE AND A HALF. I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT RANGE. >> YEAH I WOULD TAKE THE UNDER IF I WAS A BETTING MAN, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE LOST SO MUCH AND I KNOW THEY'RE THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, BUT I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOSE THAT MUCH, I'M EXPECTING A BIG STEP BACK. AND SO I'M NOT I'M TRYING TO TEMPER MY EXPECTATIONS, BUT. YEAH, I JUST DON'T SEE THEM DOING A WHOLE LOT. I THINK EIGHT WINS IS ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO LAND. >> SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT TO ME, BOYS. >> YEAH. >> THAT' IT. >> THAT'S ALL YOU GOT? I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN, LIKE, I JUST THERE'S SO MUCH CHANGE. IT'S REALLY HARD. TO NOT JUST BECOME LIKE A NATIONAL CHAMPION AGAIN WITH THAT MUCH CHANGE. IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN. LIKE THE QUARTERBACK IS SO DIFFERENT FROM FROM LAST YEAR. THE HEAD COACH IS DIFFERENT. THE DEFENSE IS DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT. THE OFFENSE IS DRAMATIC. IT'S JUST IT'S JUST TOO MUCH. THERE'S NO WAY. >> YOU LOOK AT MICHIGAN'S SCHEDULE AND THERE ARE THERE ARE REALLY THERE ARE FIVE GAMES THAT ARE KIND OF YOU COULD SEE THEM GOING EITHER WAY. SO THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, IF YOU SAID MICHIGAN WENT SEVEN AND FIVE, WOULD IT BE DISAPPOINTING? ABSOLUTELY. BUT IT'S DEFINITELY WITHIN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITIES. >> NOT SURPRIS, BUT EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LEAVING. BUT HOW ABOUT THE GUYS WHO ARE COMING BACK? YEAH, I MEAN, DONOVAN EDWARDS, WE SAW HIM IN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. HE PLAYED HIS BEST GAME OF THE YEAR THERE. GRANTED, HIS OFFENSIVE LINE IS GOING TO BE ENTIRELY NEW, BUT DEFENSIVELY AS WELL, YOU HAVE PROBABLY THE BEST CORNERBACK IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL COMING BACK. MASON GRAHAM WHO IS AN ABSOLUTE GAME WRECKER I DON'T SEE I VIEW IT IN THE STANDPOINT OF, YES, YOU ARE LOSING A LOT OF TALENT, BUT THEY DO HAVE A LOT RETURNING TO IT. I THINK THAT SHOULD GIVE A LOT OF FANS SOME OPTIMISM. >> I THINK DEFENSIVELY, MICHIGAN WILLE A TOP FIVE TEAM. LIKE YOU SAID, WILL JOHNSON, KENNETH GRANT, MASON GRAHAM, ARGUABLY THREE OF THE 10 OR 15 BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYERS IN THE COUNTRY, AND THEY'RE AT PREMIUM POSITIONS. I MEAN, COULD YOU DO ANY BETTER THAN TWO DEFENSIVE TACKLES AND A CB1? LIKE THOSE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT POSITIONS IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL. SO MICHIGAN IS GOING TO BE FINE ON DEFENSE. IT'S JUST SO HARD TO SEE A TEAM LIKE THIS GO INTO A SEASON WITH AN UNKNOWN QUARTERBACK. YOU KNOW, YOU JUST DON'T SEE IT ANYMORE WITH THE TRANSFER PORTAL. AND MICHIGAN CLEARLY HAS SOME FAITH BECAUSE I'M SURE THEY COULD HAVE LANDED A PORTAL QUARTERBACK AND THEY DIDN'T. SO IT'S JUST A LOT OF LOT OF UNKNOWN ON OFFENSE. >> MY QUESTION THOUGH, IS SHARON MOORE WAS ASKED LAST TUESDAY, HAVE YOU PICKED A QUARTERBACK YET? AND HE WAVERY COY ABOUT IT. WHAT DO YOU THINK THE ODDS ARE THAT THEY RUN TWO TO COME OUT OF THE GATE? >> I HATE WHEN TEAMS DO THAT. >> SO DO I UNDERSTAND IT? BUT YOU WANT TO THROW SOMEBODY OFF. Michigan State >> HAS IT EVER WORKED? IS MY QUESTION. >> WELL, IT WORKED FOR J.J. MCCARTHY, TIM TEBOW, CHRIS LEAK. >> NO, STOP. >> NO, NO, I'M GOING WAY BACK. BUT FLORIDA DID IT, AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE LAST. THERE ARE THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS, BUT THERE ARE WAY MORE EXAMPLES OF IT NOT WORKING. >> AND I JUST IT'S JUST ESPECIALLY FOR A NEW GUY THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO BREAK IN, JUST TAKING HIM OFF THE FIELD. IT JUST FEELS NOT LIKE A GREAT. >> THAT'S WHY I THINK THE DEFENSE IS STILL PRETTY GOOD TO KEEP THEM GOOD. BUT I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE ON THE VERGE OF LIKE RICH ROD ERA. OH, GETTING THAT BAD? I DON'T SAY THOSE WORDS. I'M TELLING YOU, IT COULD BE THAT BAD. BUT I THINK I THINK THE HOT TAKE I THINK THEY STILL HAVE ENOUGH RESIDUAL TALENT TO CARRY THEM. BUT I THINK WITH WITHOUT THAT DEFENSE, I THINK IT COULD GET REALLY BAD FOR THE QUARTERBACK THING. >> I DON'T THINK IT WAS ONE THING FOR MICHIGAN TO DO IT LAST YEAR, BECAUSE THEY WERE SORT OF SHOWING RESPECT TO CADE MCNAMARA. SORRY, TWO YEARS AGO FOR CADE MCNAMARA, FOR WHAT HE DID IN 2021. I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TWO NEW QUARTERBACKS LOOKING OVER THEIR SHOULDER LIKE THAT. I THINK YOU NEED TO DEFINITIVELY NAME A STARTER. I THINK YOU NEED TO TELL HIM THIS IS YOUR TEAM. GO OUT THERE, PLAY YOUR GAME AND RUN WITH IT. I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU KNOW, TUTTLE AND ORJI SHARING THE FIRST GAME OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. >> ALL RIGHT. ABOUT ONE MINUTE LEFT IN THIS SEGMENT. SO LET'S TOUCH ON MICHIGAN STATE. THEY'RE AT FIVE AND A HALF WINS FOR AN OVER UNDER I TRULY THINK THEY CAN GO OVER THAT DEPENDING ON HOW AIDAN CHILES PLAYS. >> YEAH I THINK THEY COULD I THINK THEY COULD GET UP TO YOU KNOW, AS MANY AS SEVEN OR MAYBE EVEN EIGHT WINS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEIR SCHEDULE, IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE TEAMS THAT CHANGED SO MUCH WITH THE TRANSFER PORTAL A NEW COACH, A NEW YOUNG QUARTERBACK WHO'S NEVER REALLY BN CHILES IS, YOU KNOW, A STUD AT TALENT WISE, BUT YOU JUST HAVEN'T SEEN IT. SO SURE, BEST CASE SCENARIO, I REALLY THINK THAT THEY COULD COULD BLOW THAT OVER OUT OF THE WATER. >> I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO JUST KIND OF TEETER ON MEDIOCRITY ALL, ALL SEASON. AND I THINK I THINK THAT'S WHAT STATE IS. I JUST DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ENOUGH PERSONNEL IN PLACE TO REALLY BUILD UP THAT TEAM YET. >> I'LL GIVE HIM SIX. GIVE HIM SIX. YEAH, I'LL GIVE HIM SIX. >> HIT THE OVER THERE. >> HIT THE HIT THE OVER. >> THERE YOU GO. >> I THINK YOU KNOW THEY HAD THEY HAD SUCH A BAD SEASON LAST YEAR. IT WAS SO IT WAS JUST DEPRESSING. SO I'M HOPING THEY GET TO SOMETHING JUST A LITTLE MORE. AND I THINK I THINK THEY'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. >> I THINK THE TELLTALE SIGN IS GOING TO BE THE HEART OF THE SCHEDULE, BECAUSE THEY'RE AGAINST OHIO STATE AT HOME, THEY'RE AT OREGON. THEN THEY HOST IOWA, AND THEN THEY GO TO MICHIGAN. ALL GAMES AGAINST CURRENT RANKED TEAMS THAT THAT COULD BE THEIR SEASON IN A NUTSHELL, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. WELL STILL MUCH MORE TO COME HERE ON DSP. WE'RE GOING TO TOUCH ON THE TIGERS. A LOT OF YOUNG GUYS CALLED UP THIS WEEKEND AND MADE THEIR IMPACT ON THE MLB ROSTER. WE DISCUSSED THAT COMING UP AFTER THE BREAK. WELL, THE TIGERS SHOWED UP THIS WEEKEND. I MEAN, GOING BACK TO THAT MARINERS SERIES, THEY GOT A SWEEP AND THEN THEY JUST TOOK TWO OF THREE FROM THE YANKEES. AND THEY ALSO CALLED UP A LOT OF PROSPECTS. JAKE YOUNG PLAYED A KEY PART IN THAT WIN LAST NIGHT AGAINST NEW YORK. THEY ALSO Tigers CALLED UP TREY SWEENEY. SPENCER TORKELSON MADE HIS RETURN TO YOUR OVERALL THOUGHTS ON WHAT YOU SAW THIS WEEKEND FROM THE DETROIT TIGERS? >> IT WAS ENCOURAGING. AND YOU KNOW, THE TIGERS AREN'T IN A PLAYOFF RACE, BUT THEY ARE NOT YET. NOT YET. YEAH. WOULDN'T THAT BE SOMETHING. BUT THEY ARE CALLING UP ALL THESE YOUNG GUYS WHO MATTER FOR THE FUTURE. SO IF THEY FINISH THE SEASON STRONG, IT WILL FEEL LIKE A WIN. THINK 2021 WHEN THE TIGERS WERE LIKE, WHATEVER, CALL UP, YOU KNOW, ALL THE YOUNG GUYS. AND THEN THEY ALMOST GOT BACK TO 500. IT COULD HAVE THAT KIND OF VIBE. >> ONCE AGAIN, TIGERS PLAYING REALLY WELL. AND THEN I GO TO CHECK THE STANDINGS AND I'M LIKE HOW ARE THEY STILL LIKE SIX GAMES UNDER? I FEEL LIKE THAT'S BEEN ALL SEASON. YEAH, ALL I WANT TO SEE IS, LIKE YOU SAID, THE YOUNG GUYS JUST DEVELOP FOR NEXT YEAR. I REALLY WANT TO SEE TORKELSON GET HIS HEAD RIGHT AND, YOU KNOW, START BEING PRODUCTIVE OUT THERE BECAUSE I'M REALLY PULLING FOR HIM. STILL, I THINK EVERYBODY IS. WE NEED HIM TO BE A NUMBER ONE OVERALL PICK CALIBE PLAYER. >> DON'T LET THEM TIGERS GET HO. I CAN ALREADY SEE DEREK WRITING THIS ARTICLE IN, LIKE A COUPLE WEEKS. THAT'S LIKE BREAKING DOWN THE 0.0.33 3% CHANCE THAT THE TIGERS CAN STILL MAKE A WILD CARD SPOT. AND I'M GOING TO READ THAT THING, AND I'M GOING TO HOPE, BECAUSE IT'S POSSIBLE THEY'RE NOT DONE YET, NO, IT'S BEEN FUN TO SEE THEM RIP OFF SOME STREAKS, SOME WINNING STREAKS HERE. I MEAN, JUST GIVE US SOMETHING. JUST GIVE US SOMETHING TO ROOT FOR. PARKER MEADOWS, MY. CURRENTLY MY TIGER, GOTTA LOVE WHEN THEY BEAT THE YANKEES, THOUGH. YEAH, THE BEATING THE YANKEES IS ALWAYS JUST NICE. IT'S A NICE THING FOR EVERYONE, YOU KNOW? EVERYONE ENJOYS IT. >> ALSO, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS TEAM REBUILDING FOR. IT SEEMS LIKE A DECADE HERE. BUT TO ACTUALLY SEE KIND OF LIKE THE FUTURE IS NOW TYPE OF APPROACH THIS WEEKEND BECAUSE LOOK HOW MANY YOUNG GUYS CALLING UP YOUR PROSPECTS, HAVING PARKER MEADOWS BACK IN THE LINEUP. CORY CARPENTER STEPPING UP. I THINK YOU'RE TRULY SEEING WHAT THEY WANT THIS TEAM TO BE. YEAH. FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL SEASONS, IT WAS KIND OF JARRING THAT WE THIS WEEKEND WAS AN INDICATION OF THAT. >> YEAH, IT WAS KIND OF JARRING BECAUSE THEY ALL CAME BACK AT ONCE. RIGHT. WE GOT CORY CARPENTER AND RILEY GREEN BACK FROM INJURY. THEY CALLED UP TREY SWEENEY, THEY GOT JACE YOUNG. THEY CALD BACK TORKELSON. AND SUDDENLY THIS LINEUP WENT FROM SUPER DULL RIGHT BEFORE THE TRADE DEADLINE TO LIKE ALL THESE YOUNG GUYS WHO, IF THEY SUCCEED, THEY COULD BE SUCCEEDING HERE FOR A REALLY LONG TIME. SO YOU KNOW, KEN MENTIONED PARKER MEADOWS. THE DUDE WAS SO BAD EARLIER THIS SEASON THAT HE GOT DEMOTED AS AS GOOD AS HE IS ON DEFENSE, HE GOT DEMOTED AND NOW HE'S COME BACK AND HE'S BEEN LIKE THE BEST HITTER ON THE TEAM. THAT IS A REALLY GOOD SIGN. AND IF HE CAN JUST BE LIKE A SLIGHTLY ABOVE AVERAGE OFFENSIVE PLAYER, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE A FOUR WAR GUY, LIKE AN ALL STAR CALIBER PLAYER. SO STUFF LIKE THAT IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR DOWN THE STRETCH. THERE'S STILL EIGHT AND A HALF BACK OF THE LAST WILD CARD. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A LOT TO MAKE UP. BUT YOU KNOW, THESE LITTLE THINGS DO MATTER WHEN WE LOOK AHEAD TO NEXT SEASON. >> ANYBODY THEY CAN DO IT EIGHT AND A HALF. THAT'S IT. >> YEAH. ARE YOU SERIOUS. >> THAT'S NOTHING MAN. >> YEAH, BUT WHENEVER EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE DIVISION IS PLAYING SO WELL WHEN THE TWINS ARE PLAYING THE WAY THAT THEY'RE PLAYING RIGHT NOW, IF YOU WANT SOMETHING TO ROOT FOR, ROOT FOR THEM TO FINISH THE SEASON WITH A WINNING RECORD. >> THEY'RE THREE GAMES UNDER RIGHT NOW, 61 AND 64. IT WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME THEY FINISHED WITH A WINNING RECORD SINCE 2016. SO THAT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I MEAN, TO GET TO A PLAYOFF CALIBER TEAM FIRST. YOU HAVE TO BE A WINNING TEAM. >> SO AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'VE BEEN CHASING 500. YEAH. ALL SUMMER. YEAH. SO JUST TO SEE HIM REACH THAT AT THE END OF THE YEAR I THINK WOULD BE A POSITIVE. IT'S LIKE TANK. >> YEAH. TANK. >> TANK FOR A DRAFT PICK. >> THE LAST THREE YEARS THEY'VE DUG THEMSELVES SUCH AN EARLY HOLE THAT NO MATTER HOW WELL THEY PLAYED FOR THE SUMMER AND INTO THE EARLY FALL, THEY COULDN'T GET BACK TO 500. THIS YEAR, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A CHANCE BECAUSE THOSE LOSING STREAKS WEREN'T QUITE AS EXTENSIVE. SO IF THEY COULD DO IT THE NEXT SEVEN GAMES AGAINST CHICAGO TEAMS THAT AREN'T VERY GOOD. SO THIS COULD BE A CHANCE TO REALLY MAKE A MOVE. >> ALL RIGHTY. THAT'LL DO IT FOR US TODAY. ON DSP. THAT'S YOUR TIGERS TALK DEREK DEREK KNOCKING IT OUT OF THE PARK PER USUAL. LOVELY. BUT NEXT WEEK WE'LL CHAT ABOUT THE LIONS FINAL PRESEASON GAME. AND ALSO THE FIRST WEEK OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL AS WELL FOR DEREK, FOR BEN, AND FOR KEN. I'M TOBY. WE'LL SEE YOU ALL NEXT TIME.