FULL SHOW: Vance DISMISSES T Swift's Harris Endorsement; Trump Pro-IVF? Brianna Wu On Rising

JD Vance NOT WORRIED About Taylor Swift Endorsing Kamala Harris [Music] [Applause] [Music] good morning and welcome to Rising we've got a great show for you today how are you doing Jessica I'm doing well I heard it's like a special day for some reason Robbie that's right we have a couple announcements uh one we're celebrating because our YouTube page has passed 2 million subscribers we are delighted to reach that uh Landmark uh that Milestone um and we have to all the viewers to thank for that thank you so much for watching over the years for trusting us for getting your news here uh so that's great news and then also today is the last day in this studio space Rising the hill actually entirely is moving into uh a new studio space that is really cool and really impressive and I'm so excited about it I don't do Frido so today my last day here the show will still film from here tomorrow but then next week we'll be in the new space so it's exciting I'm feeling a little little wisil was reflecting you know the the three three and a half years now I've spent uh in this chair next to a wide wide range of people are sometimes you know dist distanced uh uh just uh their spirits in the room with me as yours is right now but um yeah that's what's going on yes and to the viewers I am with you and not having seen the studio Beyond Robbie's Instagram so I'm excited too well we can't wait to uh to show it to you all right let's get to our story today we're talking about the race between Trump and KL Harris entering a fierce stage each candidate has an intense schedule of events and are hitting the swing States hard both Trump and Harris will attend rallies and fundraisers Across the Nation meanwhile The Fallout from Tuesday's debate is still Rippling throughout the press and through social media Taylor Swift's endorsement of kamla Harris that went out to her 280 million followers has driven over 337,000 visitors to the site vote.gov which direct users on how to register to vote president K Harris campaign quickly embraced this endorsement campaign has begun sharing Harris Wall's friendship bracelets those bracelets sold out on Wednesday others reacted very differently to the Swift endorsement one interesting maybe that's the wrong word response came from Elon Musk who wrote quote fine Taylor you win I will give you a child and guard your cats with my life H meanwhile Trump's running mate JD Vance had this to say on Fox News let's watch well look we we admire Taylor Swift's music but I don't think most Americans whether they like our music or fans of hers or not are going to be influenced by a billionaire celebrity who I think is fundamentally disconnected from the interests uh and and and the problems of most Americans look when grocery prices go up by 20% it hurts most Americans it doesn't hurt Taylor Swift Swift's boyfriend Kansas City chief star Travis Kelce and his brother Jason uh Kelsey seemingly defended Swift on their podcast the two poked fun of Elon musk's cyber truck and said the car quote short circuits going through car washes and for those who don't keep up with Taylor Swift's every move Swift's endorsement for Harris came after she was seen with Britney Mahomes on Sunday Britney Mahomes the wife of Kansas City Chief's quarterback Patrick Mahomes has shown support for former president Donald Trump some of Taylor Swift's fans were outraged to see Swift hanging out with a trump supporter reporters yesterday asked Patrick Mahomes who he would be voting for let's watch that former president Trump referenc J inor family again today on Fox News in relation to his campaign I just wonder what your reaction is to seeing that yeah I think I've always said um I don't want I don't want my play in my platform to be used to endorse a candidate or do whatever um each either way I think my place is to inform people to get registered to vote is to inform people to do their own research and then make their best decision for them and their family um and so I think that's every time I'm on this stage and I get to ask these questions I'm G refer back to that because I think that's what makes America so great WNBA star Caitlyn Clark was also asked in a press conference yesterday if she would be endorsing Harris Clark didn't directly answer that question she said she would just use her platform to encourage people to do their own research and to register to vote so the the celebrity endorsements are rolling in I want to talk about what jie Vance said about a billionaire celebrity might not connect might not being someone who connects with everyday people that's Donald Trump Donald Trump's a billionaire celebrity so that comment from JD Vance I don't think was carefully made or maybe it was maybe that is how he feels about the person at the top of his ticket but I thought that was an interesting statement coming from someone running with a billionaire celebrity you know I think it's interesting if you look closely at the Taylor Swift endorsement statement she doesn't um she doesn't talk about economic policy at all which is where he went to how the the JD Vance argues that um prices in the economy will be worse under Kell Harris and maybe Taylor Swift doesn't care about that or doesn't understand that Taylor Swift's endorsement of commo was based solely in what she said for social cultural uh reasons abortion things like that um that is the part of the GOP agenda that she finds not something she would want to associate herself with not you know not that she necessarily maybe thinks kamla's plan to fix Rising prices is good it had nothing to do with that so it's interesting um what JD Vance and Republicans want to Center you know those are issues where they could actually get people on their side if they were some would argue a little less um dogmatic or right-wing on the uh the social issues does that um hold them back uh but that's neither here nor there um you know I think Caitlyn Clark had it right actually I agree with her saying who cares about or you know celebrities whatever everybody votes your conscious I'm not going to tell you what to do just go out register to vote I think if more celebrities stuck to that it would be preferable um I kind of roll my eyes at politics getting involved in every single facet of Life politics entering our entertainment entering our Sports is there any domain where you know we don't have to have a contentious heated argument about kamla or Trump or Biden or Trump um that would be that would be nice I think some people want little breaks from politics and uh pop culture can provide it but increasingly not yeah I I do think Taylor Swift is not voting on issues related to jobs creation but if she were she'd likely be voting for a Democrat I mean Democrats have added more jobs to the economy since 1989 than Republicans by a significant margin according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics it's been 51.5 million jobs added only about 1 million uh of those jobs were under Republicans so this idea that de facto Republicans are better on the economy Trump's better on the economy because he makes blanket statements like under me we're going to make so much money for you and we're going to make people want to work and make people want to create jobs missing the link of of how how are you going to do that because the corporate tax cuts haven't worked I think it would have been interesting to hear Taylor Swift Speak to that that actually she is one of the people that will be taxed more on whatever investment she has I don't know what Taylor Swift's portfolio looks like but the capital gains tax would certainly affect someone like her who's a billionaire I think uh speaking to that and saying you know I don't mind saying uh anything about the economy really would have been interesting but maybe the aren't the issues she's voting on she is someone at the end of her tours that has given like a, or $100,000 bonus bonuses to each of the truck drivers that are in this sort of Fleet that goes from Stadium to stadium and they've told the story about receiving this bonus from Taylor that you know it was a Christmas bonus they expected you know it would hit their accounts maybe an extra thousand an extra $100 couple hundred bucks and then one of them opened it up on the spot and it was $100,000 and they were like dude check yours so she's someone who really cares about Labor cares about the people who work for her so she's she's not a billionaire in the sense that Jeff Bezos is a billionaire where the money is made off of the extreme exploitation of workers so I think her commentary on the economy would be interesting and maybe needed right now and I don't know why it was missing I mean I would just say you know in terms of who creates more jobs I don't because I'm not a partisan person I don't really have any interest in parsing whether Republicans Or democrats have created more jobs it might be Democrats it might there were just more favorable economic conditions in like the '90s when the Democrats were largely in charge but certainly Republicans could do more to Prior prioritize job creation both people could um by having a less punitive in my view regulatory regime fewer Federal bureaucrats to investigate small businesses um and unfortunately both parties uh make life more difficult for such people maybe in different ways the tariffs that both um both candidates both the Biden faction and the Trump faction have been all four in various times raising uh prices for American consumers which also has an impact on that same sort of thing so I I I wish that you know if someone wants to vote on solely on making the economy a better place um there maybe there are there's some better option outside the Democratic and Republican uh parties but we'll have to discuss that more at a later juncture more Rising right after 'Shutdown LOOMING this 19 days that's the deadline before the government shuts down on Wednesday State speaker Mike Johnson was forced to pull a vote from happening on a stop Gap measure that would have funded the government through March he wanted an election Integrity Bill known as the save act tied to the bill that would avert a government shutdown now the save act would have required every voter to provide proof of citizenship in order to register to vote we're going to continue to work on this the whip is going to do the hard work and build consensus we're going to work through the weekend on that and I want any member of Congress and either party to explain to the American people why we should not ensure that only US citizens are voting in US elections we're going to work on that issue around the clock because we have an obligation to the people to do it and that's what the fight is that's what's important it's the most pressing issue right now and uh we're going to get this job done former president Trump amped up pressure on Republicans to squash the measure to keep the government open writing on Truth social quote if Republicans in the House and Senate don't get absolute assurances on Election security they should in no way shape or form go forward with a continuing resolution on the budget the Democrats are trying to stuff voter registrations with a legal aliens don't let it happen close it down joining us now to discuss what is next is Congressional reporter for the hill Michael Chanel thanks for coming on Michael hey guys thanks for having me so help us understand this fight a little bit you credit this to Donald Trump's persuasion or was Johnson up to this already I think Johnson was was going to face that this discontent within his party already look I think uh the the the the talk about the save act and being part of the CR that cropped up largely with the house Freedom caucus the house Freedom caucus putting out a statement over the summer saying that they wanted to see a continuing resolution until NE into next year paired with that the save act president Trump has been a known proponent of the save back he helped uh speaker Johnson unveil it even before the freedom caucus put it out he suggested linking the CR to the save act then the freedom CAU has put out this statement amping up that pressure so speaker Johnson decided to take that route and put the save act with the six-month CR that would make Government funding end March 28th um but he's now facing this discontent within his party and really it's it's multifaceted the opposition there are fiscal Hawks who say that they will never support A continuing resol ution despite the fact that it has this save act attached which they are supportive of there are defense Hawks who are concerned about the impact of six-month CR will have on Pentagon funding and then there are moderates who are concerned about having the threat of a shutdown so close to election day those folks are the people who are in the most purple districts running in the toughest races they're concerned that potentially shutting down the government or having just the threat of it in the abyss um could turn off voters so that's where we stand right now speaker Johnson pulled that 6mon cr/ saave from the floor you heard him right there he said he's going to plan to try to increase consensus around this legislation over the weekend and then we'll have to see what next week brings but as you mentioned that shutdown deadline is inching closer yeah let's talk about the the first group uh Thomas Massie and margerie Taylor green both complaining on X that the save act got attached here saying that's a shiny object and a distraction and it being even though they're supportive I I think of the spirit of that uh provision are are annoyed and think this is trying to distract Republicans into voting for you know for big government for government waste that sort of thing right so the Crux of that is essentially that this is a continuing resolution which means it would continue current funding levels and those funding levels uh were were enacted earlier this year because the process was uh late and delayed as per usual it was that two-part um Omnibus it was the uh the the two part uh the two spending bills so now we're hearing from folks like MTG like Thomas you say well we wen't supportive of those levels before so why would we vote to continue them and hey also we need to cut funding and we need to cut spending so that's sort of where that argument is coming from but the caveat that I've heard from a lot of House Republicans who are opposed to this Gambit is that they are supportive of the save act but the house has already passed the save act and it's up to the Senate now and Democrats in the Senate to bring that up for a vote and hold it so they're sort of seeing through this uh this Gambit so we're seeing profits that are extremely high at Boeing and lo Martin Boeing specifically increased their annual profits 118% from 2022 over to 2023 we're seeing profit margins over uh 7 billion 8 billion for locki Martin is the conversation around the budget meaningful in a way that they talk about you know maybe dollars going to defense contractors then not going to input in labor costs but actually being profit being inflationary is there any meaningful conversation about how the money is spent in a way that's inflationary or is it just the sticker shock that the deficit will be X number if we pass this continuing resolution I would say it's been multiac and it depends on who you you you talk to remember we saw Republicans try to pass these partisan funding bills ones that were written at levels um below uh what you know would would be the levels right now but they saw them try to cut funding um they were adding those partisan policy riders that dealt with issues and that's why Democrats were against them and that's even why some of them couldn't even pass through the house because there was discontent within the House GOP conference about them so that's sort of where we find ourselves right now at this Crossroads where we're dealing with once again A continuing resolution because the the the the Appropriations process grew so partisan with those 12 Appropriations bills so we really haven't seen sort of a traditional conversation about Appropriations because it's been muddied with this political process especially it being an election year um so that's sort of where we stand right now because this process has just grown so political Michael Schell thank you so much for the update thanks guys every Jewish Democratic member of the House signed onto a statement rebuking media personality Tucker Carlson and billionaire Elon Musk over alleged anti-Semitism for background Carlson recently interviewed a controversial historian named Daryl Cooper who according to these allegations was he was accused of downplaying the Holocaust and putting greater responsibility on World War II on the Winston Churchill rather than Adolf Hitler Cooper's comments received backlash which led Democratic Congressman Seth magaziner uh the statement reads in part quote the normalization of Nazism is unacceptable and dangerous and must be forcefully condemned Americans deserve to know that their leaders will rebuke the cancers of anti-Semitism and Nazism whenever and wherever they appear issued a statement blasting him for quote giving a microphone to a holocaust denier who spreads Nazi propaganda is a disgusting and sadistic insult to all Americans end quote the group comprised of 24 Jewish members also slammed billionaire Elon Musk and Senator JD Vance they denounced musk for appraising the interview and Vance for declining to condemn Carlson there are two Republican Jewish members in the house they did not sign on to the statement so the question becomes is this some kind of political Ploy ahead of the election or is this a a real concern now I will say I don't have a particular taste for Congress using their time and and our public dollars to release statements their job is to make policy and to write legislation and and anything to this effect obviously serves a political purpose but What legislation would they try and pass around this are they going to try and censor people who espouse Nazi rhetoric I don't think that should happen in the United States of America you know is this all about the ongoing support of Israel and talking about anti-Semitism far more than the islamophobia that has actually claimed lives in the United States after October 7th it it just does feel like a political ploy to me for those reasons yeah thank you I'm glad you brought that up I agree I don't know what business of it is Congress to weigh in to condemn um who appears on Whose podcast that seems well beneath what they should be concerning themselves with and it even if it's not you know it's just condemnation they have the right to speak out but you know we do have the first amendment in this country and government should be careful about you know what they're formally condemning because people have the right to engage even in anti-semitic or racist speech which I'm not even saying was the case here as in terms of the actual interview I did not watch the entire thing I consumed some of it there were a lot of clips of it on social media I read a lot of the discussion of it um you know they said this person Cooper they described him as a holoc denier I don't in the parts of the interview I saw he did not deny that the Holocaust took place at all what he did was assign some blame for the circumstances that give gave rise to World War II to the British side to the ACT actions of Winston Churchill now I do not agree with his analysis and I think he was absolutely minimizing the responsibility of Germany for what took place so I I I don't agree with his analysis I don't think it is like so far beyond the pale to say well mistakes were also made in terms of other Count's policies that gave rise to World War II including what happened in World War I and and so on you know you can always tell history is in fact always more complicated than a good guys bad guys narrative right and you can always and I think it's important to explain you know what actions were taken and put things in Greater context now that can obviously be done in service of minimiz in anti-Semitism or genocide or whatever it is that it is done for that purpose sometimes and that's wrong and again I I think this was a very selective in in the other direction um reading of history and it's been criticized a lot and I think that criticism is totally fair but I I wouldn't say like oh you can't you know Winston Churchill you could never say anything bad about the guy I know the left has a lot of criticisms of him from the pre-World War II stuff that he was in support of um I I I think that's fine history is often in fact more complicated and we should not uh demonize you know efforts to to be more uh to explore other avenues but again that is not a I I do not agree with the the sub the context uh the content of the interview uh to the extent I I watched it right I I think members of Congress and even the White House on their personal accounts can denounce Tucker Carlson in their free time and Daryl Cooper I mean Daryl Cooper is someone who spread the big b line he is a holocaust denier and Tucker Carlson did say of Daryl Cooper he's the best and most honest popular historian in the United States and lauded his work on the Forbidden topic of trying to understand World War II so it does seem that Tucker Carlson is endorsing this guy who did help popularize and spread what is known as the big lie people who deny the realities of the Holocaust so I understand where members of Congress are coming from I just don't think that they should use their platform as members of Congress to to make statements to pass legislation saying you know we as members of Congress and our official working hours say we don't like this guy or we don't like what these people are saying I wish they would stick to their House Democrats ACCUSE Tucker Carlson, Elon Musk Of Antisemitism job of writing legislation and I wish Tucker Carlson would stick to his job of Journalism and susing out the truth because you know louing this historian who is a holocaust denier it's not someone who has a strong sense of the truth or finding it I I disagree with Tucker Carlson and darl Cooper I do think it is anti-Semitic to deny the Holocaust that being said I I also think it's anti-semitic to deny the Holocaust I just I I did not see in what I watched that interview him deny that the Holocaust took place maybe he has elsewhere i' take your word for it if that's what you're asserting I I just don't know I have I have no doubt that I disagree with his analysis as I said I disagree with the analysis I heard I think it minimizes the responsibility of the German government of Hitler of Nazis uh ET ET he there was some point where he says that they were just unprepared for the number of prisoners of War they took in as a result of conflict with Russia that is that very much a minimizing responsibility so I agree with you but I have not I I did not know who this person was to be abundantly clear until the appearance on Tucker Carlson I I've never heard of him before so I I do not agree with Tucker that he is this incredibly popular influential or well-known historian given I never heard of him you know that doesn't mean I'm not the most Plugged In online person in the entire world but I do host a internet YouTube policy show with you so I think I probably would have heard of him if he was the leading uh uh person for alternative analysis or contrarian viewpoints um on this subject yeah I think that's part of the problem is that now people know who Daryl Cooper is Tucker Carlson this widely watched and trusted guy is saying he's the best and most honest historian I think that's a problem the the main thing about Congress in the White House denouncing this is that makes people curious anytime people feel like their government is hiding things from them they want to understand exactly what that is and public education around World War II is abysmal because I was in trade school I did not get the history class that covered World War II I did not get an education on World War II until I was an undergraduate student at college so if the reality is that people didn't get that education and they first learn about World War II from darl Cooper who who denies the Holocaust happening that's the main concern here and as much as I I disagree with Carson for for saying this guy is the greatest and I agree with members of Congress for saying this is dangerous this is bad by them publicly denouncing it as official members of the government unfortunately it might have the opposite effect and make people more Curious I think that's what the the conversation around vaccines has done telling people they absolutely have to get them taking down information on vaccines people questioning the vaccine in big pharmaceutical companies that has created a curiosity that is dangerous even people who mean well and Trust doctors are people who are questioning it now because that information has been made inaccessible or has been denounced publicly by the government so I would even say to those members of Congress you know your action while it might feel good it's simply emoting what is the Strategic effect of it and I think that wasn't taken into consideration here but I I am concerned about the impact of the Tucker Carlson an interview that doesn't mean I'm going to say don't watch it don't listen to darl Cooper absolutely read about World War II don't just get the information from him and Tucker Carlson right or you can get you know get that information and then read any of the multiple uh terrific um uh perspective pieces that were written to respond to it I I read a great one in the Washington Free Beacon by a scholar a conservative scholar of Churchill who explains why he does not agree with the claims that were made in that in that episode I think you know more speech is always the answer to bad speech uh unfortunately that is not the direction uh US Congress or US federal government often wants to go with things they want to engage in censorship implicitly or explicitly tell us what you think more Rising right after this I first encountered a person named Trans INFLUENCER Brianna Wu WEIGHS In On The Presidential RACE Brianna woo many years ago on the internet she was at that time involved in gamergate which was a massive controversy on social media with some prog aggressive and feminist activists claiming the video game fandom was sexist and racist in some ways some of those fans especially conservative ones fought back and claimed that they were being unfairly misrepresented by Progressive journalists and interested people it was an incredibly toxic Feud although maybe it was downright friendly compared to some of the cancellations and harassment campaigns we've all endured in the subsequent 10 plus years Brianna woo knows what I'm talking about for years she fought with the right and was subjected to personal attacks by the right wi but then she started to criticize some of the excesses of progressive activism and more than ones tangling with transgender activists in particular who she thinks are in some ways making their ideas trans and gay acceptance less popular and less appealing executive director of the Rebellion pack Brianna woo joins me now to discuss all this and more thanks for being with me Brian it's so nice to talk to you I know I know I'm your methadon Brian I'm not quite as potent as the real thing but uh we'll do what we can today well before we even get started uh we're going to do this live right now I owe you some money because we made a bet online I bet that Joe Biden would stick it out I now I made that bet early on but I clung to it even like five minutes before he dropped out I was in full denial you won that one I did I wanted to bet you $1,000 and I wish you'd taken that because uh I'd be I'd be going out uh we'd be taking a nice trip to m i I said I would do a $100 bet all right you have venmo I think I found you on venmo is is the person I'm looking at you I'm doing it right now it's happening I'm paying $100 you were right and uh like the Lannisters I pay my debts I appreciate that we won't have to have Twitter feeds anymore so this is good we're see we're bringing the temperature down the country it's great okay I'm hitting pay and there it's done um oh actually is making me confirm your phone number I'll get that from you afterward we'll do iton we won't share that because I know you have suffered a lot of harassment obviously over the years coming from both sides why did you tell our viewers a little bit more about you know your own Journey being someone who feuded so much uh with with right-wing people in mainstream spaces and then you know what has changed in in recent times sure so um you know to be clear uh there are many journalists including the New York Times that have said you the gamergate Playbook was adopted by Steve Bannon and The Wider right wing and there are many people that feel directly led to uh Trump's victory in uh you know 2016 so you know the the battle I believed we were fighting which has turned out to be mistaken is I thought we were saying look there are certain tactics that should be out of bounds rape threats death threats sending mobs of sock puppet accounts after people to harass them dox them all these things are just not productive they're poisonous for public discuss and the discussion I believed we were having in the gamergate days was these are tactics who need social media companies to step up and develop policies for even though it's difficult to balance that with your First Amendment right what I found so disgusting is today I would in really good faith with you Robbie say I think the progressives are doing it just as much as the rightwing if not more and particularly free Palestine and the transgender movement and yeah I myself in trans so you know it's not that I'm not amenable to the public policy discussion at hand but these tactics are just poisoning people against us yeah and I I think that's been going on for a long time you saw it to some degree in the in the campuses um that was what my first book was about was how I I thought Progressive activism which used to be so in in the spirit of the First Amendment so embracing of the First Amendment um was at that time the trigger warnings and safe space discourse was entering it um you that's the first time uh we talk cuz I actually interviewed you for that book and I'm like well this is such a thoughtful interesting person not at all like the person I thought you were um online from you know just getting other people's perspectives on it um and then that you know that which started on the campuses which a lot of people I think expected just to remain there because you know some college students have believed wacky things for forever then they were going to go to the real world and find out you know you can't just say oh what you think offends me you don't have any right to say that that doesn't work in the workplace but then what we found out is enough of those people were able at least for a c a couple years maybe it's gone back the other way we can talk about that were able to enforce that Norm in Elite uh workplace spaces uh and then very much media norms and social media Norms as they became moderators and influential people there that's right and yeah Robbie this is something that's probably going to get me some heat for saying but I'm going to say this to you in really good faith um I shot a segment with Lauren Southern at my home two weeks ago and the idea was look we hated each other in the gamergate Years let's sit down and have a discussion and as I was talking to her I learned about what some of the consequences to her life had been from progressives having so much Elite power and doing things like writing her Wikipedia in a way that doesn't even like I urge anyone to go read it is wildly slanted or having all these articles that don't even attempt to show another sign and it is had really serious effects for her life for something she did when she was 19 years old um I don't know how you feel but I don't think the person someone was at 19 should haunt them for the rest of their life and I think something I've learned in the last 10 years is this conservative argument don't get me wrong I am not a conservative I'm 100% team Democrat but the way we wield this power is occasionally actually frequently I would say creating enemies faster than we can create friends and if a political movement is serious you've got to be in the addition in the business of addition and not subtraction and progressives have just failed at that yeah and and and as you point out it's not just progressives this this ease in which and I do think this has abated somewhat but you know for for years I the height of cancel culture being like 2017 2018 2019 maybe so many uh you know campaigns against people for having said things online when they were young especially I so agree with you on that front you know I I think we should practice broad forgiveness for people who are high school and younger because you know you and I if if a if a video camera had followed me at all times as a kid or if if there was a running transcript of everything I had ever said when I was a kid not no one could have lived up to this I think people who love to C say well that's just being you know enforcing social responsibility I'm like no one was a saint people people say cruel things to fit in with others because they're afraid of Cruelty being visited on them themselves and you have to grow and learn and it is just pathologically unfair to me what we H have been putting kids through I think some of that has eased up but our mainstream media has been totally complicit in that because it wouldn't work if they wouldn't then just say you know oh this allegations resurfaced against who X Y and Z well you're writing about it now you're legit you're legitimizing it I I think that's de on Robbie and I think this is part of wider trend of you know I think both sides especially progressivism has gotten so comfortable with moralizing in lie of an argument and you know when I grew up in Mississippi I was only surrounded by conservatives and I heard this moralizing from The Fringe right one of the reasons I Chang sides is I noticed that the Democrats when they're talking to me about public policy meaning trade policy or welfare policy or racial Justice policy they're willing to go into arguments and not just moralize everything I believe that one of the reasons progressivism has so much less salience today than it did 10 years ago is we have gotten intellectually lazy uh like a muscle that has atrophied from lack of use intellectually we are weak right now and we cannot defend the things that we believe I think there's a really strong ethical and pragmatic public policy argument that we need a structural Reckoning with racial Injustice in this country but the way to get there is to talk to people on the face about what we know how much it's going to cost how we move forward what the advantage is for them just calling everyone a white supremacist and a racist in sight people are tired of this and it's why the the vast majority of people in the middle are tuning out of all of Politics the first side to drop these identity gains and talk to the middle of the country in plain terms with respect is the side that's going to win be back with the rest of my interview with Brianna woo this weekend you won't want to miss it stay tun more Rising right after this as Republicans grapple with their A BABY In Every Pot?! TRUMP Says If ELECTED He Will FORCE Insurance To COVER $20K For IVF messaging on reproductive issues former president Donald Trump has dubbed himself the leader of IVF here he is during Tuesday night's debate president excuse me I have to respond another lie it's another lie I have been a leader on IVF which which is fertilization a few weeks before that not only did he declare support for invitro fertility treatment IVF he also took it a step further saying that if reelected insurance companies would actually have to pay for this procedure let's listen but for the first time ever your government will pay for or require insurance companies to pay for all costs associated with IVF fertility treatment surely the reason behind behind Trump's Embrace for IVF for all is Harris has been leading with Women Voters according to a recent ABC News ipsus poll she's leading Trump 54% to 41% Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer heard Trump loud and clear per axios the top Democrat in the Senate is planning to unveil a bill within the next two weeks that mirrors Trump's proposal to mandate insurance coverage of IVF treatments the power move will likely force a bigger wedge between Republicans who voted down a measure that Democratic senator tamy Duckworth introduced in June which would establish a right to access IVF treatments and mandate that public and private insurance plans cover such treatments so we've heard the allegations from JD Vance that the Democrats are just copying whatever Trump says I said on a Friday Rising episode with Amber isn't this good that if a policy is popular that both parties choose to adopt it it's adopt it it seems common sense to me Robbie yes and I think being in favor of making IVF available is a very good thing I actually I'm having trouble understanding I don't think so I I have I'm in full support of IVF I think people should use IVF um I I don't know that I would want I don't think the federal government should require insurance plans to cover it I think if you want an insurance plan that covers it you should be able to get that one if if there is I I would I think I want more choice and control over people in terms of what kind of insurance coverage they need what works for them I don't know that I would blanket say at the federal level this needs to be covered is I guess what I would again we're not talking about banning it or getting R like it should be available to people who want it but should it be subsidized or you know through the insurance system it it can be and if insurance plans want to offer that kind of coverage and maybe you pay a higher premium or to to be on that kind of insurance plan that's all okay but just kind of saying that mandating that they have to do it or the government has to do it is probably not what a good idea in my view I don't know I think paying out of pocket for fertility treatments is extremely expensive and I'm sure there's a lot of folks that have had to work until they could afford a home and afford to have a child that means that maybe they're a little bit older maybe it's a little bit harder to conceive so they require IVF in order to conceive a baby successfully I think it it's a smart move for Republicans to be on board with this and for Trump to be talking about it so much because I think there's a lot of people that you know see the healthcare industry as one that unnecessarily denies treatment of course if it's required for insurance to cover it there's still going to be the usual process of questioning whether or not it's necessary denials they're going to have to likely prove that this woman is someone who cannot conceive a baby naturally that it's been difficult that she's been trying I can imagine even though it's covered by Insurance there's still being an insanely arduous process to get that coverage I had a a necessary scan yesterday that if I were to apply my insurance it would cost $1600 but if I were to opt for self-pay the same exact care costs $860 that doesn't make any sense the American Health Care system is an absolute disaster and I think requiring that insurance covers what was that we agree on that that's that's because of the right of the insurance system is because prices are disguised because you're not actually paying the price so they don't the people charging the price I mean the the doctors the medical system can it's a little bit like tuition where it's the the because you're not you know for people you're going to take out you're paying it through some indirect mechanism you still pay for it ultimately or you pay a portion of it or you pay it later but because it's not the same as like you know going to the grocery store where I you know hand over $100 for groceries or something these days a lot more than that but you you know you're you know what you're buying you know exactly what it costs and you pay for it in the Medical Healthcare system it's the the price is disguised through all these mechanisms so the people actually providing the surface can upcharge you because they're not necessarily charging you that's the whole problem with the system in terms of you know the difficulty of the Hoops you have to jump through to get um to get IVF I I I agree with you I I bet it's very very arduous I don't really want it to be more arduous but that's the problem with having you know a subsidized system because if if it's required that they pay for it if if we're all paying for it then it via VIs the insurance system where the cost is you know distributed amongst the people who pay into the insurance plan well then we do want to make sure it's necessary Etc because it's our you know money ultimately being used for it you want some kind of you know if people are just paying it for it on their own then I don't want it to be arduous for them they should get what they're paying for but if the cost is then broken up and paid for by everyone either every all the taxpayers or everyone on the insurance plan then you do want it to be thorough to make sure it's being done with all necessity so that you know people aren't pay aren't getting medical services that cost tons of money when they don't need them because that cost is being passed on to other people well that's how all insurance companies work um I think that's why yeah it's that's why I want to be a voluntary thing where you pay into it and that's how it works because you're a participant in it rather than having it be required what's interesting though is with a public option or with rather Medicare for all let's look at that we would save trillions of dollars we're spending so much more because of these insurance companies actually being separate that we lack a negotiating power as consumers and so insurance companies are keeping prices pretty high uh working with a lot of our hospitals we're paying more for the same exact treatment sometimes worse treatment than other modern Western countries we would save nearly $20 trillion by switching to A system that is a single-payer Health Care system because we would be able to negotiate those costs down so yes it is the kind of thing where insurance companies make their money and are able to exist because they pull in steady money from all of their members and then when someone has an emergency the money is there to pay for it and that's just how Insurance works so if everyone's sort of on the same plan in a way we can negotiate prices down we can free up a lot of our productive capacity by having those Insurance workers work in other Industries so I think let's keep at this let's let's tell Trump everybody wants Dental Care to be included in their health care because let's face it Dental Care is a health care issue if someone has an infection in their mouth that can spread to their uh brain and blood very quickly and so this idea that it's separate is ridiculous I think uh let's keep bullying the politicians into competing for who has the most popular policies let's let's tell Donald Trump KLA Harris is covering dental care and see what happens next we'll have more Rising right after this Megyn Kelly EXCORIATES Debate Moderators For GANGING UP On Trump: 'It was 3 on 1' debate over the debate moderators continues the right has predictably blamed ABC news's presidential debate moderators David M and lindsy Davis for biased questions and fact checks take a listen to Megan Kelly I'm disgusted I'm disgusted I'm ashamed of those moderators at ABC news they did exactly what their bosses wanted them to do the person who runs ABC News is a close personal friend of kamla Harris that is responsible for kamla Harris and her husband meeting and they did Dana Walden's bidding tonight it was three against one on that debate stage this evening hi everyone I'm Megan Kelly special program tonight for you reacting to the debate it was three against one it's very easy to look like you know what you're doing when both moderators are entirely on your side Trump did the best he could under the circumstances but it really was like three fighters in the ring pummeling one opponent and Trump tried to take them all on he did fine he did his best as he could he was thrown a few times to the point where he was unnecessarily defensive and he was getting angry and so was I were you this was a mistake to trust ABC News over on MSNBC though Morning Joe thought the debate moderators were too easy on Trump let's watch anybody that thinks that's why he lost the debate that he was corrected three times on what but you know he got about 7 minutes more than he was supposed to because the debate moderators allowed him to keep breaking the rules every answer she had they would try to move on to something else he would BL something else crazy stuff for a minute or two minutes breaking the rules and I was actually sitting there are you going to enforce your rules or not I mean I I don't know if you remember but when he came on our show he didn't talk over us or we hung up so too easy on Trump look they could have I agreed that the moderation was absolutely terrible it gets worse the more I think about it they uh fact checked Trump and they didn't fact check Harrison there were things they could have fact checked her on um Trump spoke more because they engaged in combat with him they should have left that to her they should have done it exactly the way that CNN handled the first debate where they they left it to Trump to correct things Biden was saying Biden to correct things Trump was saying Biden didn't do a very good job of that as the entire world got to see but they they presented the questions I think there were one or two times where Jake Tapper danab bash said I'm not sure that was an answer to the question would you like to answer it and then they moved on that was the way to handle it um these people mure and his co-host they they uh just fact checked Trump and in some cases where it's at least where it's ambiguous or it's debate they you know they got into an exchange with him about the um about crime rates so yes crime rates have gone down but it depends on what time frame you're talking about it depends where you're talking about and the conservative answer to the FBI's claims that crime is going down is well not all police municipalities are repor data to the FBI anymore and are certain high crime areas no longer being counted it's a complicated picture which is exactly what the debate should do commala Harris can say well crime is actually going down and here's what the statistics say that Donald Trump could respond well that's not true because of so and so on and so forth reason the moderators don't need to say well actually your claim is wrong Donald Trump moving on to Comm like that's what it was it happened repeatedly and it was totally one-sided I disagree I think you know if we're talking about the debate moderators doing a good job or not that they're the reason he lost you're clearly on the losing side and Trump is just taking this law so poorly when he was directly asked questions he didn't answer them when he was asked about killing the bipartisan um immigration Bill he started talking about KLA Harris and how they failed to get done the student loan forgiveness plan because it was blocked in the courts he didn't answer the question he was asked that's why he lost he didn't lose because he lied everybody knows he lies he gets fact check in the media all the time it's interesting to see how angry Megan Kelly is though because very recently within a a year of time I believe it it was September 2023 so I guess it's a year away now she sat down with Donald Trump and asked about his comments directed towards women saying they're fat pigs dog slobs and disgusting animals Trump left that interview with me and Kelly and said you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes blood coming out of her wherever he said in September of 23 that she was nasty he insinuated that she was on her period and that's why she was asking tough questions so this idea that now she's jumping to his defense because the moderators simply fact check him it's just all for clicks and it's all for views and they found that this was an attack line that would win because exit polling shows that Harris won this debate by 23 points and polling asked to people who watch the debate shows that overwhelmingly people believe Harris won so it's an incredible cope and it makes people look worse and it makes him look weaker at a time where he's saying he doesn't want to debate again well I would not want to debate again under those conditions where just one side is going to be uh fact checked I'm sorry he said even on Fox News think you can think he lost the debate that's fine I I think he did squander several opportunities to uh explain his vision uh for this this country um I I think he was asked uh he he was kept on unfriendly subjects repeatedly by the moderators look they could have they could have interjected or they could have after KLA Harris claimed that Trump was threatening political violence over saying it's going to be a bloodbath if he loses that was clearly referencing the economic situation saying that the the state of the economy will be a bloodbath if he loses so chalking that up to political violence was a wrongful statement on her part they did not step into correct that which again is fine I don't think they should but they shouldn't have done it on the other side either and you know she didn't get any questions about he got questions again and again about uh January 6 which he's answered and given his views on the past election a million times now I think it's fine to think his attitude toward that is absolutely disqualifying but it's not like we're breaking exactly new ground here meanwhile she got no questions about about the sitting President Joe Biden about her knowledge of his cognitive decline um which he I believe is absolutely complicit in covering up no questions about his Fitness to be the president right now so it was just all conducted on hostile and unfair and unfriendly ground to Donald Trump Con in in STK contrast again with the previous debate this isn't even like a m like a criticism of the media RIT large clearly CNN demonstrated they they could have done that they did a fair debate um I'd be fine with them doing it again Dana Bas and Jake Tapper uh but these people no way never again well he did say it would be a blood bath she didn't need to say the context she was pointing out that this is a guy who regularly uses violent words to describe things that's true it's true that he said the words it was a bloodbath the idea that he was talking about a civil war is not something she said in the way that other people have insinuated when quoting Trump on that so no she didn't lie in the debate Trump did many times I think it's fine he was fact checked I don't think that's the reason he lost Harris was asked tough questions she's not Joe Biden she said that on the debate stage she should be asked about her policies and her plans as president that's what the American people are interested in you might disagree with the questions they chose to ask but in the interest of fairness I don't think the moderators did anything wrong by correcting the record when Trump deliberately lied about several things on the debate stage it's dangerous to have millions of people watching and have the record go uncorrected so I I actually don't disagree with the moderators live factchecking the debate there were even some lies that Trump said that they missed it is true that crime is down and if you look at the data reported by police precincts in the largest cities across the country there are very few exceptions Washington DC is one where there are some metrics of crime that have gone up but violent crime is down across the country and so this idea that Donald Trump has to lie to make his fear-mongering rhetoric around oh crime is up they're eating your pets this and that he has to lie to make his fear-mongering work that's a sad State of Affairs for our country and he deserves to lose if that's his approach to politics I mean I I think there were certainly statements she made that could have been fact checked she said for instance there's not one member of the military who's an active duty in a combat zone in any war zone around the world for the first time this Century that is uh technically true but thousands of troops inaq us US troops in Iraq and Syria are still in dangerous situations a US troop was killed obviously in Jordan in January in that base in Syria um this is all this is fact checked by NPR um her statement that Trump had left us the worst um uh economy since uh the Great Depression was obviously that was because of covid and then by the time he had left office the situation had improved enough that it was no longer the worst situation since the Great Depression so again these are not things that I actually think the mo it was the moderator's job to bring up I think it was Trump's job to bring that up it just shouldn't be one-sided because it was it was like Trump debating KLA Harris and to other people if they're going to have that then they should have one of the moderators have some sympathy or friendliness or rapport with the right or with Trump so that then he can prosecute um against kamla Harris when uh when when things are said that that could be corrected or or complicated again that would not be be my ideal my ideal would be the way they did it last time that does it for us today however on Rising great being with you today Jessica nice sharing this space virtually one last time uh of course uh Amber will be in here tomorrow as will you are you hosting tomorrow yes yes it will be me and Amber back for another Rising Fridays in the old Studio before you all move on to the very shiny place that Robbie says it looks like it's made for a TV set about a 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