LIVE: Robert Telles Found GUILTY - Verdict and sentencing | Justice for Jeff German

hey everyone clearly there is no sound yet but I'm here you don't ever get a schedule when a verdict is coming down oh excuse the wet hair but I'm here we're here fingers crossed John's here too John's watching from home heyy thanks everyone to our incredible moderators for helping run this too I'm going to put myself back on mute so um there is no sound hey Susan good to see you hey Megan um again no sound right now it's on purpose good to see we have a lot of people here I am nervous e keep talking okay um I hear you let's see what's going on too I'm getting some tax so stick with me I'm multitasking um okay uh clearly this did not go uh the way we thought I'm I'm gonna say now you know a jury will never surprise me after this we all certainly thought that this was going to be very fast John and I both said as much on both of our live streams about this case that we're very passionate about this case that we said oh this is going to be fast we were clearly we couldn't have been more wrong uh we're certainly nervous we thought the evidence was compelling I've shared in YouTube shorts and other places uh one thing that I think really maybe got the jury on closing statements and that was the defense pulling well done defense this idea that it wasn't him in the car in in a red car that was in the evidence and in the discovery and they showed that the guy had hair and honestly if you zoom in on it because that's what the jury requested how do you zoom in on a on a video or a photo they didn't say which one they wanted to zoom into but if I'm speculating here about that one in particular uh you know you zoom in it really doesn't look like him hair or not wig or not it does not look like him and uh but but I actually honestly don't think the car is his it looks red it doesn't look like his Denali I think that what was going on is after he left the crime scene in order to find where his car went they're checking all surveillance camer from across the um area uh from from Jeff garan's house back to his and they snapped all Maroon and red SUVs and I just don't think that's his car so it was really a throw and I think then the most concerning thing is that the prosecution really didn't address it address it and it was very very confusing um in I I you know despite all the compelling evidence you have to wonder if some of the jurors have some biases you don't know and it's okay we all have biases I'm not even judging any of the jurors we all have biases we do jury questionnaires to make sure that everything's fair and you have a you know good group of uh VAR jurors diverse jurors they certainly are there's seven women by the way and seven men they are diverse um and and you know so so this is where my brain goes just me speculating what was going on behind the scenes do some of the jurors uh are some of the jurors concerned about being framed has has a juror been framed before do does you know there is a lot of talk in our our world right now especially in the United States about the possibility of a politici Being Framed or you know or the news Jeff Gman being untrustworthy Jeff Gman is not untrustworthy he was a solid truth teller and he was an incredible journalist that has inspired both Dr John and myself but then you have to wonder um did they humanize him enough these are just the things going through my mind did did the prosecution humanized Jeff Gman enough because it always helps the jurors to feel connected to the victim and you know are there people there that are concerned about the fake news or or concerned about journalists not all journalists have a great reputation right now in the United States um these are these are things that I'm questioning I wonder if um like I said somebody has been framed before I wonder if someone is wary of a realy company maybe there's a juror that's been framed by a realy company and they're like oh yeah I believe him you know also he let's point out what they don't know about uh Tellus uh they don't know that he has been arrested for uh domestic violence that his wife called police and that he's on body Camp footage and that when you delve into that that she was afraid of being strangled we have not uh they did question and ask for Jeff garman's articles about Robert Tellis I thought was interesting and that was a good thing that the jury was able to ask um so those those are just a few of the things going through my mind you know he hasn't had family that we know of in the courtroom supporting him that's interesting um I don't know if the jury knows that though it's certainly interesting things I worry about if if it's a hung jury or if he's found not guilty um not only is it heartbreaking for Jeff Gman the victim to not receive Justice in what many of us believe that this you know that if if Robert tus is indeed guilty of this then um Jeff Gman doesn't receive justice but I think the thing that makes me also in addition I think by the way pause really quickly I think these are many of Jeff Herman's co-workers from the Review Journal Las Vegas Review Journal sitting there just so you know um I'm so glad that they're there taking time off at work to be there for their late coworker but I also worry about the chilling effect on this that the idea that a journalist a truth Seeker a a an fact teller could be murdered and by a politician or leader in the community and that they could get away with it is is a frightening idea to me and sets you know I think a really chilling precedent so those are just a few things on my mind um by the way law and crime the reason why we're streaming from law and crime is Law and crime is pool they are the ones in the courtroom right now back my friend Ben is the photo one of the photographers okay they're standing up is there sound where's the sound Troublemaker Baker is there is there sound does anybody know order SE please the record reflect that the hearing is taking place outside the presence of the jury panel the court has marked as courts exhibit 27 and 28 of notes received from the jury panel does the state want to say anything the defense no you're okay at this time we can bring the jury panel in you can BR yes ma'am my heart is beating right now oh my gosh Justice for Jeff yes exactly never forget his mug shot you know that's something else that this jury hasn't seen is his mug shot right think about that like feel like that mug shot was like his mask off they've only seen this sort of innocent covert type Meek seeming man like his his mask is I mean it's but not completely oh my gosh Justice for thatly thanks TR maker for helping now everyone should have video everyone should have sound thank you everyone please be seated does the state stipulate to the purose of the panel as well as the two alternates yes your honor Mr jasine yes your honor thank you I'm juror number two have you been selected to be the four person yes has the jury reached a verdict yes we you please stand the ver form to officer h Jus thank you everyone everyone put jce will now read the ver form out loud the defendant his attorney will stand for the reading of the [Music] verdict District Court Clark County Nevada state of Nevada plaintiff versus Robert Tellis defendant case number C 368 935 department number 12 verdict we the jury in the above entitled case find the defendant Robert Tellis as follows murder with use of a deadly weapon victim 60 years of age or older guilty a first degree murder with use of a deadly weapon victim 60 years of age or older special verdict the jury unanimously finds the murder willful deliberate and premeditated the jury unanimously finds the murder was committed by means of lying in weight the jury unanimously finds a murder was committed by means of elder abuse guilty of first agree murder with use of a deadly weapon special verdict the jury unanimously finds the murder willful deliberate premeditated do you want me to finish this I'm just stand the attorney's approach for just a moment thank you judge oh my gosh Justice for Jeff guilty guilty that made me emotional Justice for Jeff which is Justice for truth justice for right to Katie who who posted you know it's journalist or for Truth for democracy for why did they just oh we're on sidebar already middle of the M middle of the ver we doing a sidebar oh my gosh what's he doing okay dated this 28th day of August 2024 signed by four person juror number two ladies and gentlemen of the jury are these your verdicts read so say you one so say you all okay this time ladies and gentlemen CL is going to ask you a question I just ask that you respond yes or no J number one is are these your verdicts as read yes J number two are these your verdicts as read yes jur number three are these your verdicts as red yes jur number four are these your verdicts as red yes jur number five are these your verdicts as red yes juror number six are these your verdicts as red yes juror number seven are these your verdicts as red yes juror number eight are these your verdicts as red yes juror number nine are these your verdicts as red yes juror number 10 are these your verdicts as red yes jur number 11 are these your verdicts as read yes jur number 12 are these your verdicts as R yes um at this time will record the verdict in the official record of the court and at this time ladies and gentlemen as you know pursuant to your verdict we will now go into the penalty phase of the trial um we're going to take a break and allow the attorneys to um get prepared for that penalty phase so we will start again at 1:30 at this time you'll all be able to be back together again you're going to go with the court officer back to the jury deliberation room and at 1:30 we will begin the penalty phase of this trial thank you very much and you're excused guilty guilty guilty guilty John is watching too guilty gratitude if anybody if anybody knows know of any juror that was you know on this trial or knows of somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody please have them reach out to this um we would love to talk to any jurors who were part of this trial to understand what happened guilty guilty I agree I agree glena justice has been served yeah he did look he was taking it in he didn't ball he looked I'm reading all your comments and who is that oh God bless her Rita re that's Rita that's Rita thank you Magnolia okay that was Rita she feels you know she won the election and she led Jeff Gman and uh on the 48 Hours episode which is a really good one she said she sometimes felt you know that she was partially to blame she's a good woman but uh Jeff gin fought for Rita he fought for her and listened to her that was Rita Goosebumps exactly bless her thank you Troublemaker I'm going to sign off um wow thank you for being here hidden gems please like And subscribe um thank you I'm glad we could watch this together not what we thought okay guys a jury is never going to surprise me again how long they take but I will have trust in the process e e e e e all right thank you everyone please be seated does the state stipulate to the presence of the panel and the defense yes your honor thank you um the state may address the jury your opening statement thank you um good afternoon you um we're now moving into the penalty phase of the proceedings um this will be you'll probably be relieved to learn much much shorter than the trial phase and what you'll be asked to do as jurors at this point is decide what the appropriate punishment should be for Mr Tellus um in Nevada there are three possible punishments for first-degree murder so as a group and individually you'll be selecting amongst three possible penalties the least severe penalty for first-degree murder in Nevada is a sentence of 50 years in the Nevada Department of Corrections with parole eligibility after 20 years has been served that's the least severe sentence the next sentence is a life sentence in the Nevada Department of Corrections again with parole eligibility after 20 years has been served and the most severe sentence possible in this case is a sentence of life without the possibility of parole and that sentence means just uh just like it sounds that would mean Mr Tellus would spend the rest of his days in the Nevada Department of Corrections at this uh point in the proceedings you will hear from the family of Mr Gman and you'll hear uh information from them about how the um how the crime has impacted them you'll probably hear information from the defense judge it will give you uh additional instructions that kind of guide you through the penalty part of the trial and you can also rely on everything you heard in the first part of the trial the sort of the past two weeks and all of those exhibits and what you're asked to do as jurors at this point is kind of put everything you know together in conjunction with the additional information you hear this afternoon and you pick amongst those three possible sentences and we would just ask you to consider everything and then once you all individually and collectively make a decision you come back and it's announced in court we thank you for your attention Mr C yes thank you you know my remarks really uh they parallel that of miss werly you have three choices there are three options as we've said previously on multiple occasions you've been a very attentive jury please keep an open mind listen to the witnesses you'll be hearing from two families Mr garan's family and Mr talis's family at the close of the evidence I will be addressing you I will be asking you to consider what the goals the purposes of sentencing is and I'll be asking you to consider a fixed term of 50 years with a minimum Pro eligibility of 20 thank you thank you your honor the state calls Jay Gman please step up the witness stand raise your right hand face CL you do solemly swear the testimony about to this action shall be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth shall help you God I do you may be seated piure please State and spell your person last name for the Rec sure J Gman j a y uh g e r m a n May proceed good afternoon sir good afternoon um can you tell us where uh yourself and your brother Jeff grew up sure uh our family is from Milwaukee Wisconsin Jeff was born in 1953 I was born in 1959 so we're six years apart okay so he's the older brother he is yeah and out of how many siblings four and so who are the other two um my two sisters Julie and Jill and they're present in the courtroom as they are yes um what kind of things did Jeff like to do when he was a kid well Jeff was into sports um in fact he taught me most everything I know about sports he was he was just he was a good athlete he excelled in basketball football uh golf tennis he was just a natural athlete um and he was a good student he where did he end up going to like college and where did he study Jeff studied at University of Wisconsin Milwaukee where he got his bachelor's degree and then he got his master's degree in uh journalism I believe at Marquette University okay and when when was it that he came to Las Vegas 1978 so quite a while ago yep do you know where he worked prior to working at the review Journal did he work at the sun oh he did yeah his when he moved out here he started working at the Las Vegas Sun okay so he was a reporter for a number of years here yeah since he moved out here yeah he took he took the job and and drove his car across country do you remember him ever talking about particular stories or events that were important to him as a reporter well I'm trying well I'd have to think about that but I mean Jeff took seriously every story that he worked on he really did I mean he look he he investigated he he really enjoyed being an investigative reporter and I I mean there are a lot of stories he worked on I know the Bion yeah murder trial was a big one in his life but there are so many and what kind of things did you two do as brothers well um well he first of all he taught me how to play golf and he was a good teacher he really was and um he was a natural I wasn't but I think I I think I only beat him one time in my ever but he but he uh so we like to play sports we we we would play football and and basketball right around the you know behind the house was there was a big field where we played football so I learn how to play so he he just we did a lot of sports he took me to my first Milwaukee Brewers game I think when I was maybe 12 or 13 years old um movies went to a lot of movies I remember that when we were younger and even even when we got a little older he he he liked going to movies um and uh were you were you living here in Las Vegas in September of 22 I was yes can you tell the members of the jury how you learned um about his death yeah it was a tough night my sister Julie called me woke me up I don't know might have been 11:00 or so at night and uh broke the news to me it was it was devastating and I mean I certainly didn't sleep at all that night uh the rest of the night but yeah it was a tough one and how do you feel that like observing your two sisters how would you say that this event has impacted your sisters in your observations of them it has been really hard I mean it it was it's been a hard couple of years I mean Jeff was our leader you know he was the older brother that we all leaned on and uh yeah it's they didn't it was hard for them and how about for yourself difficult and um are there particular events that you that you've kind of wished he'd been there at or yeah I mean I just retired and and I Jeff had no interest in retiring two years ago he was 69 years old and and and he he was just he loved what he was doing and I I we talked about it he he just wanted to keep writing and investigating but my goal when moving out here a few years ago was to spend time with the family and and Jeff especially because you know we had gotten closer as we got older and I was hoping that we could you know spend time playing some golf when we retired um going to movies going to uh raadar games and Goen nights games I I miss all that with him yeah um your honor I believe Mr draskovich is stipulating to the admission of 412 and 413 that is correct they admitted um sir I'm going to put on the overhead States 42 who are we looking at there yeah is that Jeff or that yeah that's Jeff yeah I don't I can't tell what oh my God what age that is but he see he was a natural athlete he just loved baseball too and um I think when he when he took me to that first Brewers game he he liked I mean he loved it as much as I did yeah and now I'm going to put on the overhead uh States for 13 looks like you're a bit older in this picture you know when this is from this is from New Year's Eve 1980 so December 31st I and and I'll tell you I can't remember if it's 79 or 80 but I was in college Jeff had been out here what a couple one or two years and I I flew to milwa from Milwaukee to Las Vegas it was my first time on an airplane um and this was the first trip that I took of many that would come going forward over the years but we uh yeah he said come on out cuz I hadn't seen him since he moved out to Milwaukee since he drove his car out here back in the middle of 1978 and we spent the New Year's Eve on the Strip it was just it was just a great night I'll never forget it and it was so memorable I mean and that was just you know look how young he was yeah so is there anything else you'd like the jury to know about how this crime has impacted yourself and your family well um you know it's yeah it's been very stressful over the past couple years um I wouldn't want anybody to go through this it was just it was devastating to the family really was we loved him and he loved us and I mean a big part of Jeff's life was spending time with the family he loved the holidays for that very reason he loved Thanksgiving just the whole ritual about him being with the family um so yeah it's been you know it's going to take a long time I'm sure for us to get past this but you know we're doing our best and we miss them a lot thank you I'll pass the witness on thank you sir I don't have any questions thank you for your thank you very you step down call your next M stand your you do soly swear the testimony about to given this action shall be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth to help you go I you may be St please State and spell your first and last name for the record uh first name is Jill j i l l last name is Zerg z w r g thank you very much um Jill if you could just for the record how are you related to to Jeff I am the youngest sibling and Jeffrey is the oldest because you're the baby of the family pardon me you're the baby of the family yeah okay all right um I want to I want to uh publish what's already been emitted by stipulation States 415 by 415 by stipulation and I think I have exhibits 414 through 417 I think those allation that's correct 45 4 correct I think 414 415 416 and 47 those four exhibits okay thank you thanks publishing 45 okay so who who can you tell us who we're looking at here in all these photographs well that's the four of us uh I'm the little one in the left corner with the same haircut as Jay to my right and then Jeff is a tall one one and then my sister Julie with the no teeth all right um I also now want to show you another exhibit which is admitted by stipulation is 414 all right who are we looking at here well there we are again I don't know if we were trying to copy that first photo or not but I believe it's at my niece's uh a celebration for my niece and we all just got together and try to take a picture together real quick and it was really kind of fun actually okay um I'm publishing for 16 who are we looking at here oh that's Uncle Jeff that's the that's my daughter uh I think she's like three or four months old and he couldn't wait to fly and be with her it's just she is the firstborn of his nieces and nephews and what was her name Jessica her name and then I'd like to publish 417 what are we looking that is Jeff with my my young my son Connor who is pretty looks pretty much like Jeff uh and just uh they're two peas in a pod they they both into sports and and yeah he just idolized him he's the only nephew so he just took to him immediately for that um I know you've written something but I I do want to ask this so you looked at a couple of pictures you know at Uncle Jeff what was he like as an uncle oh he was wonderful he just loved each each and every one for who they were and accepted them for whatever you know they would do quirky little fun things and just just loved them with his heart and soul absolutely did they did they grow up here in Las Vegas or somewhere else they all grw up here okay so Jeff was kind of here growing up and watching them be okay well listen I know that you've written something that you'd like to read so if you could why don't you share what you've written share it with the jury please okay so most of you know my brother Jeffrey to be hardn investigative reporter who went after corruption in our city he wrote about wrongdoings by Mobsters gaming officials politicians corporations basically anyone who's corrupt and I don't think they could hide from him uh let me give you a little insight to The Man Behind the by line of jeffre M Gman Jeff was the eldest sibling of four as I stated and I I'm the youngest there's an eight-year difference between us he always watched out for me and guided me in my schooling my work personal matters I and I believe my my other siblings uh we welcomed his advice as it usually was on Target and gave us a good perspective when we needed it he always was there for me when I needed him like a second father for me and with the age difference I think that was part of it after I graduated college I was very instrumental in helping me acquire my first job here in Las Vegas at the newspaper where he was working uh we are very much alike from our chosen careers to the music we listened to the food we enjoyed and going out to happy hours after work of course that was the ' 80s that's when it all happened and that was just fun thing to do I remember we were both on the media softball league together representing the newspaper it was so much fun especially when we won games and we would celebrate afterwards I wasn't going to say this but now I I just feel like lucky to hear this it was the first one I told when I became engaged we were at Mount Charleston my now husband um and proposed to me it was a Friday night and we're like well now what do we do we you know I was like he's like let's go tell Jeff so we couldn't wait to get back we knew he'd be at TGI Fridays uh and he was the first one uh I told when I got engaged and he brought bought a round of champagne for the entire bar um and I'll just never forget that it was just the most memorable fun exciting moment uh for for for all of us um I missed reading his stories and seeing his by line and shopping with him talking on the phone and texting with him because he was so bad at touting um going on for Sunday brunches having him at our family barbecues and Holly celebrations especially as my brother J said at Thanksgiving where he really ate most of the dark meat and insisted that the TV be on some type of sporting event probably football if I'm not mistaken um these events these holidays they'll never be the same without Jeffrey there ever he was kind he was loving he was loyal and he was fun he was a good friend uncle brother and a respected colleague to all who knew him he had a nap for remembering everyone's birthdays he never forgot his nieces and nephews birthdays he just loved being their Uncle my son is very much like his Uncle Jeff they shared a mutual passion for the sports particularly basketball and football and of course all the Wisconsin teams as you know El where we're from my daughter also had a special bond with her Uncle Jeff they start a lot in common like buting Virgos and having journalism degrees as well I remember asking Jeff why he chose to stay here and not be at other major newspapers who frequently recruited him he said Jill this is Las Vegas this is Sin City this is where I need to be Jeff was Fearless of all the corrupt people he called out in his reporting of the Mobsters politicians Casino Executives and so on professionally Jeff had many headline stories that made the national news some of you may or may not remember this but there were breaking news such the judge Harry Clayborn impeachment trial I was here when that happened to reporting Chicago mobster Tony the ants spalatro and his brothers murders to being the first report liberace's death and his AIDS diagnosis those are just a few of the many bricking stories for Jeff and they all came out of Las Vegas Nevada Jeff is a trusted top-notch journalist and author with the the top rated lifetime news Lifetime network television movie made from his book The Death of a Las Vegas casino boss murder and Sin City and that was a Ted Bion murder story his award-winning podcast mobbed up the fight for Las Vegas is still heard by many he belonged to a class of journalists that are in A League of Their Own not many reporters out there will ever match this caliber and investigative journalism and storytelling these past years it felt like I've been living in a chapter of a murder novel as it unfolds one that my brother Jeff could have written entitled murder in Sin City part two the death of a journalist I never imagined that Jeff himself would have become a national headline news story for his murder By A coldblooded elected City official in broad daylight but in typical Jeff fashion he was able to have his attack identified and locked up behind bars after his own murder not only did my family lose a wonderful loving brother and uncle but the Las Vegas community and the world of Journalism lost an amazing investigative reporter and a Relentless Crusader for justice to everyone else Jeffrey M Gman was a dedicated and respected journalist to me my family he was our big brother Jeff and our children's loving Uncle he so deeply missed every day thank you thank you very much I have no further questions I have no questions thank you thank you very much for your testimony you step down and you may call your next Witness pleas watch main stand raise your hand face cck you doly swear the testimony you're about to give this action sh be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth to help you God yes you may be seated please State and spell your first and last name for the record Julie Smith Julie J L E Smith s SM i t h um Miss Smith uh you are the fourth sibling of the G group mhm yes um I'm going to show you some pictures I believe Mr dasovich will stipulate to the admission of 418 to 423 yes that's correct okay and this one I think I get what the event is but I'll have you describe it this is States 418 yes this is my uh daughter Lexi's wedding so it was nice we were all together um as a family it was in Lake Tahoe and she's been married for about I think it's eight years and now I'm going to put on the overhead States 419 uh that's Jeff and my daughter Morgan uh they were very close and this is States 420 that's just I don't I don't know when that picture was taken that's okay 421 uh another picture of Jeff I'm not sure where that was either my sister dug up some old pictures and this is 422 looks like the kids are a little younger to me in this one oh yeah that was a celebration for my youngest daughter Lexi um it was just a fun celebration everyone had their beads on and they were happy and we got a picture of Jeff with his uh three nieces Jesse's in there Morgan Lexi and 423 oh that's a picture of je Jeffrey when the uh girls were young so it's with Morgan and Lexi they were just on the couch and of course there's always a cat in our house so there's a picture of Daisy with them also so it seems like uh Jeff was a pretty devoted Uncle oh my goodness yes he loved his nieces he loved his nephew he loved uh just to be around them whenever he could and your other uh siblings have commented that holidays were particularly important for him is that your recollection as well very important we always grew up in our family in Milwaukee when the four of us with my mom and dad and um my mom was always kind of the matriarch she always made a spread for every holiday that we would celebrate and and my sister Jill and Jay we've continued that with our families and have you prepared a a statement that you'd like I did K that's okay so as you know Jeff was my older brother um everyone in our family pretty much looked up to Jeff he was our oldest sibling um he so he always had a very special place in our hearts for Jeff um he just seemed to be the core of our family um since my parents were gone and we all pretty much migrated because of Jeff living here so it's it was nice we were all together finally um most people who dealt with Jeff the journalist knew him to be No No Nonsense a straight shooter um who always searched for the truth he had a nose for sniffing out the corrupt the nefarious uh we knew we knew him to be those things too but we were very proud of his many years of service to the community and as numerous ACC accolades as a newspaper reporter but we also saw the side of Jeff that most people unfortunately didn't get to experience Jeff loved his family um he loved spending time with his nieces and nephews he was especially close to them um as I said previously he looked forward to hanging out with them whenever he could especially during family holidays um basically Jeff was he was a family man he loved being with his family uh sometimes at those family gatherings it was kind of the place for Jeff to display his playful and awful a awesome biting sense of humor he loved sitcoms and was especially fond of Two and a Half Men and Seinfeld he had many of the classic lines committed to memory from those shows and he would use them often he liked to have a good time he was always willing to uh put together a family dinner he loved to have breakfast with his friends from The Newsroom he just really enjoyed being with people he loved Sports especially football I guess you could say it was almost like an obsession with him he like his commitment to journalism was this he he took that same approach to his commitment with sports he could take notes he knew the stats of players um he pretty much had a near photographic memory and he could recite almost any score of any game uh in another life Jeff could have been a Las Vegas odds maker and of course there was the quirky side of Jeff that we teased him about his house was meticulous almost to being a point almost to being a point that it was like a a Good Housekeeping Better Homes and Garden set up in his house he was into symmetry if there was a lamp here on one side of the room it had to be on the other side was kind of interesting U but you can see from these few few examples how much Jeff meant to our family and how much we will all miss him um sorry I'm the emotional one we're never going to be able to share laughter with him again discuss sports with him enjoy a barbecue with him or admire his tenacious Spirit the tragic and brutal taking of his life has resulted in a loss that I don't think will recover thank Youk I have no questions thank you thank you very much for your testimony St down that concludes the witnesses we'll be presenting your honor like to call Mar yeah can I'm sorry just made you see that yeah that's and if you remain standing raise your right hand face clar you do SAR the teston you're about to give this action shall be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth shall help you gone yes you may be seated please St and spell your first and last name for the record uh Maryanne Ismael m a r y a Ann last name is i m AO thank you um Maran do you go by May yes I go by May uh you know Robert just a little yes I do tell us how you know him and tell us about the two of you please yeah so um Robert is my husband um we met uh 15 years ago um we've been married almost 14 years and um and it's been a great it's been a well you know every marriage has its ups and downs but it's been a good marriage overall I would say were you with him when he went through law school yes yes in fact um when we first got married we not only had a baby but he also started law school at the same time so very busy time and how was that what what type of lost student was he um he's like his work ethic is second to none I've never met anybody who worked so hard um who was so ambitious and just wanted to do everything to not only move himself ahead but to also make sure that he was able to provide for his family and what kind of a provider was he for your family um he was a he was a great provider um so you know not not just monetarily but also um he was there we have we we're a blended family so I have my son um his daughter and then we have our youngest one is together and um he was always there especially for our kids um he attended every single School event even if I couldn't make it he was always there um he was the one that helped them with homework um because I have very little patience and um he has just this unlimited amount of patience and was always able to um walk our kids through you know difficult math problems or word problems or whatever it is that they were having that they were struggling with he was always the one that was with them after school and and helping them through through um through you know school workor um he was also the fun parent um so he you know we would he would be the one that would always um present ideas like take like going for a hike as a family and um or um he was always the one that wanted so he he was very much he loved to celebrate holidays and Milestones um and always had something up a sleeve so um Easter for example was always a big deal um he was the one that would get super excited about decorating eggs with the kids and um and stuffing the little plastic eggs and hiding them all over our yard so um our kids would would have such an amazing time um searching um uh and you know he shared a lot of his Mexican TR uh Traditions with uh our families W in Filipino so um he would share a lot of his Traditions with the with our kids um so like things like where they CRA they have like the the the empty egg that's decorated and full confetti and you crack it on on um the kids heads like he introduced that to our children um and they just um he he always had something um even our our wedding anniversaries um I always forgot our wedding anniversaries but he never did um always had a gift always had something planned what even if it's just um a dinner with just the two of us one year he had planned this whole weekend getaway where we went up to Zion we went hiking um we you know he had um planned like different tours where we went like we went repelling um and it was just the most amazing weekend and it was so much fun I'm going to show you and Ron we have a number of photographs that are in a drive that will be given to the jury if I may publish and it's they going to be admitted by way of stipulation this is a picture here of you and your family and this is a little bit older photo and I know there's been a lot of press that this case has drawn I'm not going to ask you the names of your children for for obvious reasons but this is a picture of you and your husband and your mixed family yes blended family yes our blended family um you each had a a a child from a prior marriage and then you had one in common correct yeah how did you treat all three children um like I mean obviously two of the two girls are are his um but he never treated my son any differently so when we first met and we first started dating um he my son was three um and so but he never even to this day even to this day he doesn't treat him any differently that he treats um any of the other kids so you know call him my son um you know we always it was it's always you know he refers to the two girls as you know his sisters um or he would talk to his sisters about that's your brother um and it was never a question about there was no stepbrother half brother it was just their brothers and sisters period and that's fairly uncommon based upon talking to friends and other experiences fair to say in addition to being a family man an attorney having gone through law school during your marriage was he involved in any community activities yes absolutely absolutely so um even from throughout throughout law school even before law school so he was a an act a very active rotarian with the local Rotary Club here in Las Vegas um he was always uh in involved with community service planning events um he's offered his Law Services to help start other nonprofit organizations um and like he would never he would be the first one to volunteer if anyone ever needed help that he knew that he can assist with um and it inspired me so much that I actually became a rotarian um with another with a with a different club uh which uh you know and it was something that we just shared we just shared together is there anything else that you'd like to tell this jury that I perhaps have failed to ask you um I mean I you know I Robert is was he is an amazing father and like I said even to this day he is tries to stay involved with the kids he tries to um share share some type of an experience with them even um even when he was at the Detention Center like him and my do him and my youngest daughter um they would talk about um anime in manga and they would send each other drawings that they had um and he just and they he he really tried to um continue fostering the relationship with his children even even when he couldn't be there um even when he couldn't be there in person um always made sure checked on you know even check on school work um and uh you know and so I I would love for my children to not lose that at least not for the rest of their lives um Robert really was Robert really is a great father and he's a good husband and I would love at some point [Music] to give my children the chance to have their father back thank you ma'am I have no further questions thank you thank you very much for your testimony here today you may step down you T Burton who watch corn of TV right over here step up in a witness hand please thank you if you'll remain standing raise your right hand face clerk you do solemnly swear the testimony you're about to given this action shall be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth shall help you God yes it do you may be seated please State and spell your person last name for the record Tanya Burton t o n i a last name is b r t o and is and Nancy thank you ma'am obviously you know Robert Tellis I do please tell us how you know him Robert Tellis was my first husband we have a daughter together who is an amazing child due to the amount of um attention press attention this uh case is garnered I'm not going to ask you your daughter's name how old is she she's 16 years old what can you tell us about Robert Tellis he um is a great dad to her he loves her she misses him every day day um he always helped her with so much of her homework because I mean I'm going to be honest he's higher educated than me and he's just good at that stuff he's very patient very thorough they would spend Sundays together so he's he's an attentive father absolutely he um was part of her soccer team for a while when she was younger a great advocate for her diabetes always up on the new tech technology and in reference to your daughter's diabetes what type of a father what type of caretaker was he with your daughter with from the time she was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes he was up on every single new technology every single sensor every single new idea very big on what kind of diet she could have what she needed what she shouldn't have most of our arguments even later were over what she shouldn't shouldn't have and he was usually right to say he's been a very Hands-On dad absolutely absolutely and even given your separation from him his new marriage he's continued to to co-parent with you the best he could absolutely Robert um always involved my even my newer stepkids and his family we they went trick-or-treating together they they celebrated all kinds of special events together so even though you had moved on and then ultimately had your own step kids he included them in his family activities absolutely I don't think there was one Christmas that went by with no gift no anything he was very involved in Olivia's sisters you know they were his they were her sisters fair to say that Robert's intelligent absolutely has a hard work ethic he does a lot of Drive in your opinion is HE capable of change learning absolutely he I believe he can get anything done if he if he chooses to if he has that direction in addition to these questions that I've asked you is there anything that you'd like to tell this jury that I have not asked you my daughter is 16 years old and she misses her dad and I know that you've made your decision but I have hope that one day he can walk her down the aisle when she chooses to get married when she has children I I'd like him to have the chance to be there with her for her thank you I have no for questions CR thank you very much for your testimony here today you may step down and have witness our Final witness will be Rosa Anaya watch your St if you'll remain standing raise your right hand and face the clerk you just swear the test when you're about to give right hand face clerk you do swear the test when you're given this action shall be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God you may be seated thank you please State and spell your first and last name for the record Rosalinda Anaya R OA l i n d a last name a n a y a missa you are Robert's mother yes tell us about him and about your other children um I was 18 years old when Robert was born and he was my world um 3 years after I had another son and my daughter is 6 years younger and he was a great big brother always took care of his siblings was very loving he never fought with them I'm going to show you a picture that's been that you had sent to us and has been admitted by stipulation who picture uh my two sons this one on the left is that Robert yes and the one on the right is my other son his brother how old was Robert if you can recall when this picture was taken probably about five showing another picture that's been admitted that's when Robert was 8 old when he was born he was my world and you would have been 19 yes in that picture I'm 19 years old were you a working mother uh not at that point but when Robert was 13 I got a divorce from his father and that's when Robert became the man of the house going to show you this group of pictures that you had sent us why don't you start with the left of the screen and describe to us what what we're seeing um that's Robert as a toddler right there he was probably 2 years old the top picture is Robert with his girls at the father daughter dance and then the other two of you fair to say obviously this case has been very difficult for you and your family very you had said that you began working you were 13 I'm sorry when he was 13 you went back to work after the divorce tell me about what it was like with him as your oldest child like I said he became the man of the house at 13 I was working full-time going to school in the evenings so he took care of his siblings make sure that they were fed got them to bed because I got home so late um also at 13 I was a single mom I remember I couldn't afford to buy them school clothes and shoes and we would go pick Chile and I remember he was 13 and our hands were burning because the chili was so hot even though we were wearing gloves I'd fill up the buckets and he would take them to the truck and we would make like $2 a bucket and it was a lot of hard work and a lot of buckets just to be able to buy them school shoes where did Robert grow up in Texas in El Paso Texas and what was that like what was his childhood like in El Paso Texas like I say he's very good boy very Lov loing very supportive of his siblings and myself um an occasion when I was thr once physically he was very protective and you know came to to my rescue to protect me and he was only 13 um once he was in high school he got a job as at a gas station he would also help take his brother and sister at school in the morning pick them up after school has always been very loving great son great brother has Robert always had a good work e think very like I said at 13 he started working with me in the field then in gas station as an adult he was an IT Tech then um Heating and Cooling HVAC Tech um during the day and then went to law school in the evening always wanted a better himself put himself through law school yes while being a father yes finally you've obviously had an opportunity to see him interact with your grandchildren and step grandchildren just tell us about that he's an excellent dad always very involved and like I said even with me as an adult always helped me financially emotionally have a lot of health issues he always on top of that even to this day we talk several times a week thank you ma'am I don't can I say one last thing judge please please do you have another you there's something else that you'd like to tell us yes I ask you so please I accept the verdict and if you could please give my son a chance of parole his family is still very young and I would like for him to someday be back with him again please thank you thank you ma'am thank than you that concludes our presentation all right okay so at this time ladies and gentlemen we're going to take a short recess when you come back you have an [Music] opportunity I'm sorry oh okay and when you come back um you'll have an opportunity to hear from both sides um in their closing argument you'll go with officer Fox and he will bring you back in when we're ready thank you very much your excuse all right dire we just needed to settle the formally settle the um the instructions um is the state familiar with course proposed instructions 1 through 13 yes your onor any objection Noor any further instructions to propose no thank you and you're familiar with the vertic form yes any objection no okay Mr drpich are you familiar with Court's proposed 1 13 yes I am any objection no objections any further instructions to propose that have not been given no other complaint okay and have you looked at the word form as well we haven't we have no objection to it okay all right um probably about 15 minutes and then we'll come back in and start thank you all right 15 minutes that was surprising I did not know that his family and wife and ex-wife and mother would all be testifying um it was so good to hear from Jeff garan's family it was heartbreaking I'm so grateful that they humanized him and shared even more about him and who he was um so in about 15 more minutes we will be back I'm going to just turn my camera off and hit this on mute and then we will learn I'm quite shocked that his mother um asra perole I always have empathy for a mother on the stand um but that was a little surprising almost like she didn't understand the gravity of what he had just been found guilty of um wow all right so thank you Troublemaker so she's saying in about 15 minutes the judge will read jury instructions there might be closing statements from both sides and then the jury reconvenes and may take some time to determine his sentence so that's the next step we will be here I'm going to mute thanks everyone for being here Justice for Jeff uh tell us needs to stay in prison um Dr John is watching we are texting he's um yeah he's watching intently so all right guys we'll be back e to the presence of the panel defense yes your honor thank you okay ladies and gentlemen you have been provided with um Hawk have you pass out the jury instructions you will be provided with a copy of the um jury instructions there are 13 of them I'm required to read them to you as you know you'll each have your own packet you can follow along and you'll be able to take them with you when you go back to deliberate number one is now my duty as judge to instruct you in law that applies this penalty hearing is your duty as jurors to follow these instructions and to apply the rules of law to the fact as you find them from the you must not be concerned with the wisdom of any rule of La stain in these instructions regardless of any opinion you may have as to what the law ought to be it would be a violation of your a verdict upon any other view of the law than that given in the instructions of the court number two if in these instructions any Ral Direction ideas repeated or stated in different ways no emphasis thereon is intended by me and thenone may be inferred by you for that reason you are not to single out any certain sentence or any individual point or instruction ignore the others but you are to consider all the instructions as as a whole and regard each in the light of all the others number three the trial jury shall fix the punishment for every person convicted of murder the first degree the jury shall fix the punishment at one life imprisonment without the possibility of pro which means exactly what it says that the defendant shall not be eligible for parole number two life imprisonment with the possibility of parole with eligibility for parole beginning when a minimum of 20 years has been served or three a definite term of 50 years with elig ility for parole beginning when a minimum of 20 years has been served number four a prison term of 50 years with eligibility for parole beginning when a minimum of 20 years has been served does not mean that the defendant would be pared after 20 years but only that he or she would be eligible for Paro after that period of time life imprisonment with the possibility of par is a sentence to life imprisonment which provides that the defendant would be eligible for Pearl after a period of 20 years this does not mean that he would be paralled after 20 years but only that he would be eligible for parole after that period of time life imprisonment without the possibility of parole means exactly what it says that the defendant shall not be eligible for parole number five in the penalty hearing evidence may be presented concerning aggravating mitigating circumstances relative to the offense and any other evidence that bears on the defendant's character hear St is admissible in a penalty hearing number six A Reasonable Doubt is one based on reason is Not Mere possible doubt but is such a doubt as when Governor control a person in the more weighty Affairs of life if the minds of the jurors after the entire comparison and consideration of all of the evidence are in such a condition that they can say they feel an abiding conviction of the truth of the charge there is not a reasonable doubt doubt to be reasonable must be actual Not Mere possibility or speculation number seven the jury is instructed that in determining the appropriate penal to be imposed in this case and it may consider all evidence introduced and instructions given at both the penalty hearing phase of these proceedings and at the trial of this matter number eight in your deliberation you may not discuss or consider the subject of guilt or innocence of a defendant as that issue has already been decided your duty is confined to determination of the punishment to be imposed number nine The credibility or believability of a witness should be determined by his manner upon the stand his relationship to the parties his fears motives interests or feelings his opportunity to have observed the matter to which he testified the reasonableness of his statements and the strength of weakness of his Recollections if you believe that a witness has lied about any material fact in the case you may disregard the entire testimony of that witness or any portion of his testimony which is not proved by other evidence number 10 although you are to consider only the evidence in the case and reach avert you must bring to the consideration of the evidence your everyday common sense and judgment is reasonable men and women thus you're not limited solely to what you see and here as the witnesses testified you may draw reasonable inferences from the evidence which you you feel are justified in the light of common experience keeping in mind that such inferences should not be based on speculation or guess a verdict may never be influenced by sympathy Prejudice or public opinion your decision should be the product of sincere judgment and sound discretion in accordance with these rules of law number 11 during your deliberation you are not to communicate with anyone other than your fellow jurors in the jury deliberation room in any manner regarding the facts and circumstances of this case or its merits either by phone email text messaging internet or other means you're admonished not to read watch or listen to any news or media accounts or commentary about the case you are not permitted to do any independent research such as Consulting dictionaries using the internet or any other reference materials you are further admonished to not conduct any investigation test a theory of the case recreate any aspect of the case or in any other manner investigate or learn about the case on your own number 12 during your deliberation you'll have all the exhibits which were admitted into evidence these written instructions and forms of verdict which have been prepared for your convenience your verdict must be unanimous when you've agreed upon your verdicts they should be signed and dated by your foreperson number 13 now you will listen to the arguments of council who will endeavor to a you to reach a proper Verdict by refreshing your minds the evidence and by showing the application thereof to the law but whatever Council may say you will bear in mind that is your duty to be governed in your deliberation by the evidence as you understand it and remember remember it to be and by the laws given to you in these instructions with the sole fixed and steadfast purpose of doing equal and exact Justice between the defendant and the state of Nevada the state may address the panel hereon the state's going to wave the first close and Reserve foral thank you Mr J thank you you know the jury instruction that I would like you to look at and please pay close attention to is jury instruction number four jury instruction number four lays out the penalties that you are to consider at this stage in the case um you've heard a great deal of testimony in this case we've seen a lot of exhibits you've been attentive we're basically rounding third base here and you're headed home home I'm going to ask you to again apply the same attentiveness the same effort and the same energy that you've expended up to this point um you know when we pass judgment it's an awesome responsibility because it takes two it takes one to pass the judgment and one takes one to receive it the Judgment that you make in this case will place an indelible life or an indelible Mark upon his life and yours as well you've heard from the families and in this case we have two devastated families both families through no actions of their own have received the the the the trauma of of this case the question now that's been put at your feet and that you must determine and you must pass judgment on as being the sole determiners of the facts is what's the appropriate sentence you know there's generally four purposes of senten first would be that of restitution well in this case it's a murder case there's not going to be return of Jeff garan's life but then the question becomes what does that mean no sentence whatsoever that could be imposed is ever going to change that the second purpose or consideration the in the area of sentencing concerns deterrence there's a fair amount of science on this subject and you know our our criminal justice system does the very best that it can but heavy punishments in capital cases Capital punishments don't really have a deterrent effect what we do have in our sentencing scheme in this state and most others are very harsh sentences every sentence that you are to consider will be this sentence imposed when you ultimately make your determination it's not like a person gets sentenced and gets their sentence commuted no what you decide is the sentence that stays you know the third purpose or consideration in sentencing is Rehabilitation and we're making steps in this society and in this state concerning Rehabilitation any sentence that you determine is appropriate involves a heavy printed prison sentence we've heard from Robert's family he's smart he's capable of learning he's got a work ethic any sentence that you impose there's going to be a long period of incarceration perhaps forever and I'm going to ask you not to do that but every sentence will have a period a substantial period of time that would allow for rehabilitation the fourth purpose or consideration is retribution you know mean we most of us this community kind of comes from this old judeo Christian most societies most cultures have this idea of Retribution and I would submit to you that as a society we've gotten past this idea of an eye for an eye two for a tooth you know we end up being blind and and and Toothless you know often times though in society and I will submit to you now in this stage of this case there's just tug-of War really between retribution and Redemption you know in order for justice to be Justice there needs to be an element of Mercy Mercy you know a person has to pay there has to be this idea of punishment for a crime but at the same time there has to be this element of hope you know I'm not a religious person but I know we much of our society is religious in nature and we have these ideas of atonement you know forgiveness I would submit to you that we don't forgive to let an offender off forgiveness involves preserving ourselves as a society we have to have this element of Mercy when it comes to Justice there has to be this element of forgiveness question then becomes will there be this opportunity of redemption what's going to happen in his life now you've heard pretty compelling evidence testimony from his family you've seen the pictures he's a loving dad to his natural children and those that aren't he's got a work ethic he's intelligent he can learn you know the sentence that you decide this connection that will leave this indelible mark on his life how's it going to affect his family his children you've heard the evidence we respect your vert what happens now give him the opportunity to give those children the opportunity at one time decades from now the opportunity to have their father back their stepfather back maybe even his mom will be alive at the time when he's released let her have the opportunity to have her son [Music] back it's a heavy burden her you know the judge has instructed you obviously you're Duty bound as you have been in the initial phase of this case to follow those instructions allow for there to be Mercy in this determination he's not going to speak to you through this course given the posture of this case he's maintained his innocence don't punish him for that you know he's exercised his right to go to trial this is what makes this country so great you know trial by jury trial by our peers hold the state to their burden that's occurred you've passed your judgment please don't punish him for exercising his constitutional right which is one of again these ideas that we adopted from this Old English common law and that our founder fathers embedded in our constitution please don't punish him for doing that for holding the state to their bir to to its burden and they've done an exemplary job presenting the case you've done an exemplary job reviewing the evidence but now the question as to the appropriate penalty what is it it's not life without the man has no criminal history he's 48 years old he's LED an otherwise exemplary life put himself through school work climbing ladders doing agback rais kids he's involved with his daughter's diabetes he researches it and even now he he sits in custody he's been a Hands-On father you know often times we deal in the criminal justic ISM with these recidivism you know recidivists you know people that commit crimes over and over again and they just don't learn you know that's an appropriate sentence life without that's what you give a man that doesn't learn from his mistakes that's what you give a man that continues to break the law put other puts other people in danger given your DEC decision you found that he's committed a crime and now the question is what's the appropriate punishment I mean I know firsthand you apply to the bar you have to give up every traffic ticket if you're [ __ ] and get expelled they know about it he was a licensed attorney I'm not in any way saying that makes him a better person but it shows that he had the wherewithal to put himself through school to learn and he had the background that allowed him to become a lawyer that's gone give him a chance when he's an old man to maybe be around his grandkids or for them to be around him he has a lot to give regardless of what's been proven in this case regardless of what's happened he has more to give locking him up throwing away the key doesn't do him any good it doesn't do his family any good it doesn't do our society any good show him Mercy please i' submit to you that as a society it's the appropriate thing to do thank you thank you very much I'm address the journey thank you can I proceed thank so much um I want to touch on a few things um I think what you've seen over the course of this trial when you when you've listened to at least in this phase when crimes like this are committed they have a ripple effect no one wins when crimes like these are committed but one of the things that has to be abundantly clear about this is we're only here because of the actions of one person and one person alone and it's the defendant it was the manner in which the defendant chose to handle the situation that has created this ripple effect on his family as well as Jess one of the things you know when you when you when you do this long enough in our line of work um you see a lot of people come through the system and the state would submit to you he is not similarly situated to a lot of people he is highly educated he comes from you know a good loving family I'm not saying everyone does but but his upbringing is is pretty good um when you think about the situation that he was in the world wasn't going to end he had simply lost an election and the way Robert Tellis chose to handle this was devastating and it was his choice and his choice alone no one forced his hand and so one of the things that we need to talk about is this idea of what they mentioned retribution Redemption versus retribution when you think about what happened in his case think about the act that he committed upon Jeff what was that it was an act of Retribution Robert Talis decided to be judge jury and execute literally the Executioner of a man who was simply trying to do his job to report the news he executed him he didn't have to do that but that that is how Mr Tellus felt it was appropriate to deal with this situation and he has taken this man away essentially the the at that time the patriarch of his family away from his family and and why because he simply wasn't happy with what was being written about him that is an extraordinarily serious thing to be considered when you evaluate what is the appropriate punishment because this is the way Mr Tellus decides to handle things when he feels slighted another thing that the defense brought up was there needs to be a measure of atonement um we agree atonement is appropriate in certain circumstances but think about this the defendant when he got up and took the stand was willing to sacrifice the reputations of a company like Compass realy the employees that work for Compass realy members of the public administration's office multiple members specifically detective gtis detective jappy detective MOG members of the Lost Vegas Metropolitan Police Department their DNA lab even the District Attorney's office why all to save himself the state would submit that that is the length that he was willing to go to save himself and it needs to be considered when you're evaluating what is the appropriate punishment that's a really scary thought I want to address something else what is the appropriate punishment the state would submit to you that life is an appropriate punishment whether it is an eligibility for parole after 20 years or life without the possibility I'm going to leave that to you you but I want to at least explain to you why the state believes a life sentence is appropriate one of the reasons is what did we learn about this case that Mr Tellus decided to exact death upon someone who he felt slided against and he certainly has shared all the different people he feels slided against the beauty of a life sentence is even if he's eligible parole if he gets out he'll always be monitored because there is a future of dangerousness going forward if he truly believes that all these people did something to him then there is a risk that something like this could happen again it should be considered another Factor as to why we believe life is appropriate um I don't want to paint it in too broad of strokes but what is we we cannot the state doesn't believe that we should ignore the fact that what happened here was literally a journalist wrote a story or a series of stories and lost their life over it because someone or a politician outgoing just did not like the consequences of the writing that's a pretty serious thing that doesn't happen very often and it should be considered which is why we believe life is appropriate um at the end of the day whether parole eligibility is something that you wish to Grant we'll leave that up to you but at the end of the day he was an highly intelligent person with a loving family with a good background who really did have his future ahead of him his life really wasn't over but he let his probably his ego his pride get in the way and it manifested itself in the worst possible way and we have lost one of the most significant journalists we've had in our community in the world of investigative journalism so um we thank you for your patience and your time um and we wish that you consider these fact factors when evaluating which of the three punishments are appropriate thank you very much okay thank you very much Mr H at this time the officers of the Court will take charge of the jury panel you can take your notebooks your jury instructions and you are excused to deliberate upon your verdict thank you all right and the seal the Nevada seal is back e e e e e e e e e e e e e e hey guys um I was just I just talked to John on the phone he's going to jump on for about 15 minutes here in a little bit so uh stay tuned because um while we wait you're going to be able to look uh at more than the Nevada seal so stay with us yeah okay everyone I know you can't see I know you guys can't see me but I am here and uh so that's true what mother wouldn't beg for Pearl um some but uh anyway yeah JN is jumping on I'm loving all your comments you guys are making me think sorry I'm like thinking out loud yeah it's good point what mother wouldn't uh 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but I'll be curious to to see if it was something else was it was it one juror or a couple jurors that that hung the other jurors up that that you know believed in the conspiracy right so I think we should try we're g to try to get some jurors and and do some interviews there to kind of figure out what went want what went on in that room behind closed doors I think that'll be really interesting I agree in the end they came back with guilty but it took them about three days longer than I thought yeah right if I don't know the total hours they deliberated but I mean I thought it would be I thought it would be like day Bell that they' come back quickly and it was not day Bell so the jurors definitely took their time which was interesting because I don't I don't recall a case quite like this in terms of such impelling evidence from start to finish so it was a little confusing but again I'd really like to we we'll try to touch base to some of the jurors and and see if they're willing to do an interview with us yes absolutely so where do you want to start I mean I'm so intrigued by the victim impact statements we heard from his wife we heard from his ex-wife we heard from Jeff garman's family which you wrote me text me during that time and said it's so sad you were heartbroken what what do you want to I said I said that you know watching the victim impact statements it always reminds me of why we do this that's what you said yeah like it it's always in it's always tragic and heartbreaking but from our perspective I think it it it reminds us of why this is important work and why we do this because ultimately I'd like to think that our our work is about Justice and giving a voice to the victims and you know just seeing things that other people aren't necessarily seeing to help with cases or you know finding some things that are hidden or adding a perspective that might be useful for justice or for the for victims and their families yeah so I I think I was reminded of that you know it's it's obviously those th those moments put a human face on everything including when ts's family members spoke including his mother you know there it's a reminder there that the draskovich who's the defense attorney said that too that reminds us that this is about a web of a network of human beings that have all suffered you know some negative consequences because of one person's actions yeah so let's talk about the so the the the victim's statements were amazing and heartbreaking and I mean you know it's it's kind of you know it's a reminder of of why the community is mourning the loss of Jeff Gman and why it's so heartbreaking and um just that he was a very involved person with his his family and his his siblings and their kids and he loved them and spent time with them and apparently he loved Sports and he was he was a Fearless reporter right I mean there were so many things to like about him and I think it really allowed us to to get a better feel for him too so I'll start with that and um just you know it just it it it reminded me of the importance of his life and how he mattered not just to so many people but to the community and how he did really important work and in the end he was punished for or he was murdered for that work so it certainly really brought him to life and you know we we did it a tribute I think the show we did a couple weeks ago we were were did a tribute to his work but this this really gave us a different perspective of how much he's he was involved with family and how much that mattered so I thought that was really moving and important I agree and then during the trial we heard from his neighbors who found him and he had been their neighbor for 20 years and I think also it showed what a good neighbor he was they were they were heartbroken they cared about him they were friends like he was he took care of his family he took care of his neighbors and his community and then he took care of his well he took care of his neighbors and he took care of his community he he was a very caring giving man he was very passionate about many things and I think that came through you know he was passionate about his work he was passionate about sports he was he was passionate about his family his siblings um and you know and their children and and it that you know so that was very very touching to me we me as yes as well during the victim impact statements during the victim impact statements for Talis I forget I don't have a mic so I have to bend over okay um we learned a little bit more about him too about his childhood being the man of the house at a very young age his his work ethic and I use that in quotes was was highlighted by everyone his wife his ex-wife his attorney there's you know that was interest his mother that was a trend what did you notice and learn about Robert tell us a little bit more yeah yeah I thought it was really interesting you know it's it's I sometimes talk about how when I do interviews with especially with criminals sometimes with family members oftentimes so when I when I do interviews with felons in a jail or a prison a lot of times they'll they'll say things they don't want to say they'll make statements that they they think aren't revealing but they are and and the same thing is true of family members so the and in forensic psychology those are called collateral interviews um I don't love that term because it sounds like Collateral Damage I guess there is some collateral damage in the sense that everyone's affected by a criminal's actions but but this is a this is an example of how I think people say and do things that they don't necessarily intend that that can have negative repercussions and so like when you think about what his first wife and his ex-wife and his mother all said so those are the three people that spoke on his behalf you know they they're try they're obviously trying to put him in the best possible light they're trying to to plead with this jury to to give him life with parole and in order to do that they have to make a compelling case about why he's great person and how he should be you know released after a certain finite period of time when he's still alive presumably um but but you you have these moments where these people are saying things that don't really work in his favor for example this talk about how ambitious he is I I can understand how in a normal context that would be something that people might see as a positive quality and sure it is it can be a positive quality quality but it's also it also happens to be a quality that led to the murder you know it you so people are just trying to describe him but they they don't understand it in some ways that they're undermining their case that that if you you know I I often talk about MC Beth people know me they're they're like yeah I know you talk about MC Beth a lot and the the whole one of the the most obvious reasons that MC Beth kills the king is because he's ambitious so ambition ambition is like the heart and soul of the motivation of so many murderers and to get up on the stand and say Hey you know don't let this you know let this guy go early because he's such a lovable guy and then you say he's so ambitious and he's such a hard worker I mean normally yeah those are those can be really positive qualities for a normal person but not for someone who's willing to resort to murder to realize his ambition and his ambition was to be this politician as the as the prosecutor pointed out to be a politician whose career was ruined or thwarted by Jeff kierman so I think in that context you have these these people that clearly are advocating for him and love him they're saying contradictory things that aren't going to help him you know for and maybe it's just my job maybe this is what I'm trained to to look for but in terms of my analysis when you say things about Tellis like he's ambitious he's super hardworking he would do anything to get ahead essentially that one of the things that the his current wife said is that that he was a great planner that he planned this trip design and every detail was accounted for right like he she's saying things that that she sees as assets but but in a in a way they're not in the sense that like okay remember I talked about the last two shows I talked about how I think there's these obsessive compulsive features that he has and that goes hand in hand with this idea of planning and also like when you say that someone's a great planner and you and the and the prosecution has laid out this case of how this was great plan it turned out not to be great planning because he got caught but like being a great planner when you commit a murder is not necessarily a great is not something you want to say when you're advocating for someone to get out of prison early right so you have ambition the planning part which to me kind of goes hand inand with my analysis of obsessive compulsive disorder you know you you you have these moments that these people are talking about this stuff that aren't really GNA help him me I don't know if the jury's going to see that but but I don't you know if I'm going to release someone I don't want to I don't early who committed murder I don't want to think this is a super ambitious person with the fragile ego who's a brilliant planner and hard worker who's going to get out and do it again right like it doesn't you know you know who else is action oriented and ambitious Lori valow right just saying right his his his ex-wife said quote he has a lot of dry here's a here's what she said quote he has a lot of drive he can get any you ready for this he quote he can get anything done if he chooses to if he decides to go in that direction okay great yeah he got murder done he got it done thankfully he got he got murdered done because he's got a lot of drive and as his current wife said a lot of ambition I mean yep you're right those are exactly the reasons he committed murder so I those were things that they thought were positive but in reality they completely to me at least they completely undermine the position of what I want to hear from someone if you're asking for early releases I want to hear empathy compassion I don't want to hear connection to other people right I don't want to hear about how ambitious someone is because that may or may not be a good quality when you commit a murder and certainly like if you think about mcbath you know yeah he wanted to kill the king cuz the King was getting in the way of his Ascent to power and that that's ambition that's like one of the oldest motives in lern literature for committing murder and so you've got these people up there saying hey man he's ambitious isn't that wonderful well no because it because it led to murder so no it's not wonderful right so so I I I just think you have um I think that if you really listen to PE the here for me is and and it's my job is if you really listen closely to what people are saying they'll say stuff that they don't necessarily mean to say and they'll say stuff that also really helps you understand their perspective and they in this case it really helps us understand Tellis a little bit better and a little more than than we might have expected right you know and and same thing with his mother by the way we haven't even talked about his mother let's talk about his mother let's talk Rosa Rosa anayah basically makes a she made a similar argument she says you know my son he was the eldest child she had him when she was 18 um and I assume that that our gems saw most of this but he had two other siblings three and six years later when he was 13 the mother got a divorce and quote he he became he quote became the man of the house she went back to work he took care of his siblings he fed them he put them in the bed these are near quotes he he went out and got a job picking Chile for money this is no Paso Texas he was paid $2 a bucket it was very brutally hard work and you know I'm going to make inferences here but when a child is put in that position the child is essentially parentified and the the child becomes like a parent the child becomes like the other spouse and the child is taking on responsibilities that they shouldn't take on necessarily it's it's a burden for that child it creates undo and unnecessary responsibilities and expectations and this again if we want to understand tell us this is this is starting to help us form a picture because and and and again the mother you know the mother who loves him dearly is saying these things innocently without understanding what she's doing but what she's doing essentially is throwing her son under the bus inadvertently and the reason she's doing that is because she's saying she's not she's saying this child had all these un you know unfair expectations placed upon him that he couldn't meet that no child could ever meet he was forced into the role of a of an adult essentially at 13 running the house taking care of siblings feeding them right he had all of this these expectations and I think probably because he didn't ever totally fulfill him I mean no 13-year-old really can he spent the rest of his life trying to and he probably didn't feel loved by the way completely in the sense that um in the sense that his mother you know when a parent when a parent puts a child into that spouse position they'll never completely fulfill it he can't be a spouse and so whatever the expectation there is that child is not going to meet it and I I think T has spent a lot of his life trying to fulfill that expectation what whatever it was that unrealistic expectation he wanted to be that provider he always wanted to be that perfect provider he wanted to feel loved as a CH he didn't want to be loved as a pseudo spouse he wanted to be loved as a child unconditionally and you have a childhood here where there's all these conditions you're going to go work and pick Chile for $2 a bucket right you're going to provide for the family you're going to take your but it's not allowing him to be a child so you have very much this loss of Innocence I think at a probably at a fairly early age also it's it's easy to imagine that that the divorce wasn't amicable obviously the father apparently just left and you have to I would imagine that there were problems in that relationship so he probably didn't have a good role mother model for a father and there was probably conf in the marriage so on top of all of this other stuff this this desire to kind of put him in a spousal role and the fact that he's parentified you probably have a lot of conflict in that home a lot of dissension maybe you know probably some potentially some domestic violence I could imagine and you have a father that sounds like you know who knows what that he leaves early he's not in Ed in his family obviously um so there's a lot of issues even prior to to age 13 when he steps into that parental role would it would he also struggle though if if his dad did simply leave that has to affect him too yeah walks out or you know if the dad walks out on Himes does he feel like he didn't live up to some expectations too and that's why his dad left him I mean I'm I'm totally yeah yeah there's all of that you know I mean it would be yeah I mean well at the very least he probably feels like his father you maybe he feels like some of the reason his father left is because he because of him and he probably doesn't you know he probably never felt completely loved and nurtured by his father and his mother to some degree too and one of the things his mother said that really stood out to me was she said quote he he was always very protective of me he ready for this he was always very protective of me he came to my rescue he came to her rescue like what he's the child he's not supposed to come to your rescue you're supposed to come to his rescue you're supposed to protect him I mean these roles are reversed and it's very hard for a child that that essentially is is entrusted with protecting siblings and a parent it's very hard for that child to feel unconditionally loved and I I think that unconditional love is something that this that tell has chased his whole life and I think he was probably particularly sensitive to criticism and to any negative feedback and that almost definitely played into what happened here uh somebody is asking do we feel that Jeff perhaps gave away Jeff Gman took away his ability to provide and then he snapped so when he feels Jeff took away his ability to provide did he snap that's a question from Spring 20 yeah I I I think that's part of it yeah I mean I think there's a lot of elements that came together here but but certainly a major one was yes that he was in this role as a 13-year-old of provider and his mother you know one of the things that happens in that situation is that when he feels like he has to provide and that's threatened then yes he's going to there's more likelihood that he will under threat that he'll act out with violence so given his role as a 13-year-old and 14y old and 15 right through most of his childhood as provider that became a big part of his identity and that was a role he he really was invested in and a role that he he spent a lot of time um you know um performing in that role and and so I think yes I you know when he lost that election and he lost his job at the public administrator's office yeah I think all of that was now being threatened to some degree Lynn is asking why his forehead is always scrunched let's just put it this way he he's no Chad DeBell in court he has some very extreme facial expressions I do understand now when he originally started crying I didn't see his family coming you know and so I understand that he did show emotion with his family but but any thoughts on the Expressions he was showing in court a lot of it a good chunk of it would had to be anxiety I think it was super anxious you know I mentioned in our last show that I felt there's like this desperation with him so when he was when he was on the stand and appealing to the jury I have I I felt like that he he wanted them to believe he knew what he was saying wasn't truthful but he wanted them to believe himself so much it was almost like he wanted to reach across to the jury booth and just kind of shake them and say you believe me right like you know I'm right you know I'm and there's and I so I think you have this you have this for him you have this turmoil between like controlling himself and feeling out of control and you know like there's this desperation where he just so badly wants to be believed and yet he knows he has to restrain himself to be believed and like I so I think you get all these facial expressions and right the the furled brow and like the just all of it I think is is largely a result of the anxiety that comes from this desperation he feels to control the jury knowing he can't control the jury so it's this right it's this this control but also in a context where he has a lack of control right um I know you need to go soon so I'm going to jump Dr J has a great question many people have asked that question will he be a risk will he be repent in 20 years but but I know we only have limited time and I want to read this there was a rolling stone article or profile on Talis um from the Rolling Stone profile Robert's father Raymond served two terms in the El Paso city council he later lost his status in the community and nearly his freedom for his role in an attempt to bribe public officials to win a contract for a 40 million County debt refinancing after pleading guilty in 2008 Raymond received probation but his Fall From Grace was sealed so I just want to add that this is a very interesting aspect too not only did we know that his father had a fall from grace as a politician now we know that his father also sort of left and abandoned Robert Talis and that he became the man of the house in some ways do you think that this added to his idea that he was going to sort of take up the torch where his dad failed and then I just find it fascinating how like history or Generations repeat itself it's like this sort of generational repeat generational drama repeat right here yeah I know um yeah I I I think you you probably have some of that going on I you know I haven't you and I haven't really had a chance to dive deeply into his history has passed too much so I'm a little hesitant to to comment too much this today was really kind of the first Glimpse some people have reached out to us yeah people from his childhood have have reached out some friends you know neighbors we may or may not be able to talk to them so um but yeah so so do you think but but that is an interesting aspect and I wanted to throw that out there we'll comment on that later do you think he could be repentant or do you think he could uh you know be a risk in 20 years if that's a sentence as we await his sentence right now your job is to assess risk factor in people so have to end with this I think the the prosecutor did a good job of kind of summing that up and said that he's still dangerous because he really hasn't he's dangerous because he attacked the reputation of so many people he was willing to sacrifice according to you know I agree with this according to Chris Hammer he was willing to sacrifice the reputations of so many people to save himself essentially and but the larger point is that at least as of now he hasn't really learned and he as far as we know unless he makes a statement he's not remorseful that he's he's clearly you know he clearly has some and again I'm not diagnosing here but he he clearly has some narcissistic features so just to clarify there's a difference between features of someone having narcissism and a diagnosis of narcissism but the the the point is that I think he's really too self-absorbed and he probably at least at this moment he probably thinks that he didn't do this or he's convinced himself he didn't do this that he was wronged by all these people and so in that sense he doesn't have remorse he hasn't learned and the the dangerousness is that he gets out of prison even in 20 years that he ruminates for 20 years about how he was wronged and then he gets out and he has these grudges and he wants to settle some scores and that's kind of what Chris he didn't Chris Hamner didn't say that exactly but he implied it and he certainly Chris didn't say that that one of the probably the biggest score he would have to settle would be Chris hamner's score you know so I mean you know Chris the prosecutor doesn't want to have to you know have to look over his shoulder every day if if somebody like Tellus is released um but that's but that's largely what would happen at least given where he's at now I mean one of the defense arguments was that he's he can be re rehabilitated that he's a smart guy with a you know a strong work ethic and that that's the re that's how you become rehabilitated and that's that's not accurate either you become rehabilitated when you acknowledge that you engaged in wrongdoing and that you have some empathy and remorse and you fully take responsibility for your crimes that's how you become rehabilitated and none of that exists at the moment it could exist you know 5 10 years down on the road but it doesn't now so um that doesn't mean so that doesn't mean that he can't change or he won't change he could you know being behind bars for years does induce a certain amount of reflection so it's possible you know he could he could even potentially enter some therapy groups in prison I don't know I I don't I wouldn't count on that at the moment but I the the risks exist because he hasn't taken responsibility for his crimes he doesn't seem to be particularly empathic he was willing to throw so many people under the bus who were innocent and had nothing to do with this that he feels wronged he may have some grudges he's in you know the the the prosecutor also pointed out or the defense pointed out that he has no Crim previous criminal history which isn't quite accurate he was arrested for domestic violence at least one time so he has engaged in violent behavior before Oh there's some other things there go go read that Rolling Stone profile it's fascinating it looks like he did graduate law school from uh UNLV but he left not on great terms because he was accused of perhaps uh inappropriate contact with a female student so it just continues yeah so but I mean that does he have a criminal record um apparently not and but it doesn't it's not having a criminal record is going to certainly increase risk for somebody in his position but it's it's it's not determinative it's determinative it's not the final element that would determine whether he's dangerous I think in this in this particular case also it you know as the prosecution pointed out he you know there there's I think there's a there's a basic social contract well number one there's a social contract in our communities that you don't murder people so that's like that's that's the first one but also you you know freedom of the press right and the ability to write and speak and say what you want without the threat of being murdered is so important yes it's so important and and obviously you and I operate under that under those protections and if we didn't if we didn't have those protections you and I wouldn't be doing this because you know we don't want people to show up at our door with guns and threaten to kill us right so that I mean that in and of itself I think part of what the jury needs to consider here is the fact that this is an unusual you know the obviously the prosecution talked about this this is an unusual circumstance in the sense that you can't just go if somebody disagrees with you or writes something negative about you or said like says something negative about you on YouTube and you can you know we most we try to back everything up with EV evidence right like because someone says something that is supported by evidence that you don't like you can't go murder them and so I think part of the part of this is not about Rehabilitation or even retribution it's about sending that message that human beings can for the most part I mean unless you're harming people can say and do things because of free speech in the community without fear of Retribution or without fear of being fear of being harmed and certainly you and I do that we want to have we want to feel like we have the freedom to say and do what we think is accurate we don't get everything correct all the time but but we we do our best and we you know we we want to continue to say and and to express ourselves in a way that we can do so without fear of harm and so I think that should be a part of this this decision here yeah you need to run uh we've decided I've created a new word today everyone's making fun of me in a great way though Myrtle but I also like it because I can post the comments now that say Myrtle so I think that rather than the classic un alive we're just going to go for Myrtle for our comments and then I can pin them so that's gonna be a new HTC word I did it on purpose Myrtle you need to run thank you so much I'm going to throw the Seal of Nevada back up so if any anyone was worried and missing that uh we will have it right back up um and in fact let's just there it is there it is so you need to go run um it does it does have a calming effect um uh yeah I've been using the wrong word then yeah Myrtle it it was a slip but it works meant to be I'm going to say it was on purpose now m so we we I I need to conclude then by saying that I think you and I want to operate and express ourselves without being without the fear of being mtled correct um I do want to end with i you know I think uh I do want to end here with something that the prosecutor Chris Hamner said okay and that was that he basically ended by saying that he believed that quote and pride got in the way and the community lost an outstanding journalist and you know so I can't call him a narcissist but Chris Hamer can can essentially uh say something similar um without the same repercussions so I think that's a great summary you know if you had to boil this down to to to one sentence it's pretty much what he ended with and that is that his ego and pride got in the way and the community lost an outstanding journalist because of it yes so thankfully Justice was sure served and shed for Myrtle it was shered yeah and um right and and so I hope that um I hope the jury makes a good decision here and again I don't know I don't really know what that would be I I I do think that the the part about M myling someone who disagrees with you is is so important so I hope they take that into consideration yeah I believe they will clearly they're a very thorough yeah you need to go yep I need to run so all right thanks jams okay we'll see you babe we'll see you bye all right guys let's get that seal of Nevada back up if I can find it there she is all right uh thank you to those who like And subscribe by the way it means a lot this is the longest this is a record live a huge thank you to our moderators too this we're going on nearly eight hours now of this live and we could not do it without our incredible moderators and multiple people helping I just huge thank you to Troublemaker Baker and to Petty and to so many moderators to Lynn thank you um and thank you to law and crime for running this incredibly lengthy live stream as well they they're doing a a heck of a job in court uh so I'm gonna also uh just mute myself again we're going to keep waiting for this sentencing and um stay stay tuned what a day it's been I also want to share a couple of things I we've also posted two additional videos yesterday and today I want you to know uh the Gen sto interview with the 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so that's what's going on right now with hidden to Crime let's um keep waiting and and again May Justice be served clearly this jury uh we don't underestimate them they're very thorough they're dotting their eyes and crossing their tees and uh I have faith that um they'll come back with the sentence they feel is appropriate so we'll be I I'll be I'll I'll be here but I'm just going to put myself on mute and ex off the camera for a bit e e e e hey everyone we're just waiting they clearly came back with a penalty verdict fairly quickly um I assume that um it might have taken them a long time to get the guilty verdict but perhaps they understood more what they wanted to do um when it came to penalty we are waiting there is no sound yet they're not going to have any sound until all parties are in the courtroom someone pointed out that the ladies in red were the original pot sters those that uh Jeff Gman stood up for those women were who shared with Jeff Garman what was really going on in ts's office and he stood up for them and listened to them uh Baker is saying it took about an hour and 15 minutes to get the uh the penalty verdict so clearly a lot faster than the guilty verdict Rebecca Young thank you so much we are so grateful you're here and thank you for gifting members mips thank you to everyone who gifts memberships and and I've seen quite a few today Mi spunky and others thank you um we love everyone to be able to be a member here Rita read is yes also in red gray hair in red she she cried as the verdict was red she has shared on interviews before that she partially feels guilty for the murder I can't imagine feeling that but she is not there only one person that is guilty of the murder and that is the man who is about to be sentenced Robert Tellus and what Rita did was tell the truth as did Jeff Garman yes this is live I'm gonna put myself back on mute but I am here and we will when when the sound is on we will hear the sound e e e e e e e e state does the state stipulate to the presence of the panel including the alternate J and the defense yes J number two has the jury reached a verdict yes can you please hand a verdict on officer Hawks yes please you District Court Clark County Nevada the state of Nevada plaintiff versus Robert tulis defendant case number c 368 935 department number 12 verdict we the jury in the above entitled case having found the defendant Robert Tellis guilty of murder of the first agree with use of a deadly weapon victim 60 years of age or older impose a sentence of life in the Nevada Department of Corrections with eligibility for Pearl beginning when a minimum of 20 years has served dated at Las Vegas Nevada this 28th day of August 2024 signed by forers juror number two ladies and gentlemen of the jury is this your verdict as red so say you one so say you all yes does either side wish to have the panel poll not the Mr no thank you okay at this time the U verdict will be recorded in the official record and this time ladies and gentlemen I am going to discharge you from your duty as jurors before I do I want to extend my gratitude and thanks for your willingness to be here it's a long Tri you're a very good jury you paid attention you took notes and um clearly took the case very serious in your deliberations you are no longer under the admonition not to discuss the case with anyone you're free to discuss the case but you're under no obligation to discuss the case with anyone after you are discharged you will go back to the jury deliberation room in which you will be given further instructions I do always like to give the lawyers an opportunity to speak to the jury panel I think it's always been good for them to have that opportunity however it's up to you whether you want to speak to anyone you also may have noticed that there was quite a bit of media attention on this case so members of the media May reach out to you and want to discuss the case with you I just want to make sure you understand you're under no obligation to discuss the case with anyone but if you do want to discuss the case it's up to you this time ladies and gentlemen you are discharged again thank you very much for your service thank you all right the record reflect that the hearing is taking place outside the presence of the jury panel at this time the matter will be referred to PR probation and we will set it for sentencing that's going to be October 16th 8:30 a.m. for sentencing did the attorne want that opportunity yes okay we'll let you know when you come back thank you very much here I'm just sort of watching still um I know the sound is off but you never know what you're going to see I wish they would show the gallery though I'd like to see the reaction right now of we'll call the ladies and rad of reer read and others right now now and what they're feeling but it looks like they are not going to show that there's his attorney well this is as far as tus goes this is uh all he could there's that seal there's that seal this is but all he could uh wish for he could get parole in 20 years when he's 67 he has a possibility of parole that doesn't mean he'll get it but he has a possibility of perole uh it's interesting especially after what John shared about his thoughts on risk and repentance I'm a little shocked there no he's 47 uh to clarify in in 20 years he'll be 67 meaning he could technically get out of after myling someone he could get out of prison at 67 it makes me wonder if the jury was you know a bit divided and then they came to a consensus of guilt but lessened his penalty I'm I'm I'm surprised that he that that was actually such a short sentence just makes me wonder what was going on with the jury for two days 3 days still processing it glad we could take this in together I'm uh yeah agree Baker jury took pity it's interesting I I think in my opinion that it does show that the jury was struggling and this is where they I think they compromised honestly and decided to be kind with the with the with the penalty verdict because I am surprised it was it was brutal it was premeditated okay thank you to Long crime for pool uh we'll end this stream thank you everyone a reminder that uh a reminder that uh I we have a book club who knew that we were going to be live all day but uh for those that are members of the Hidden True Crime book club I am running the book club tonight not as prepared as I plan to be I plan to pull up uh different parts of the book to read tonight and uh I'll go get ready I have an hour it starts in an hour the book club for those that are wondering how to join the book club you can join it through patreon.com hiid true crime or you can join it through being an amethyst gem or above on our YouTube memberships I'm going to go prepare and get ready maybe grab some dinner and uh that is going on tonight that's where you can find the zoom link so it is a zoom we'll have a conversation with all those and the book we're going to 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eight hours without her so thank you Baker and um thank you to everyone for being here and definitely going to have to I I'll say it I'm I'm a little sad that yeah there you go k Kay said it for me thanks Kay um I actually feel like he was pretty content himself the the jury took pity on him and they gave him some hope it it it does confuse me it does confuse me to think that you could brutally attack and Myrtle someone and uh possibly just do 20 years it's hard for me to process all right we'll see those of you uh that are in the book club in the book club in and hour and I will go try to prepare I hope that many of you come prepared because clearly I've been on this live stream all day so all right we'll see you guys on zoom in about an hour uh for those in the book club thank you everyone exactly life is not over at 67 it better not be in fact let me just say this this book club tonight you just inspired me but this book club tonight we're we're discussing the book The Woman they could not Silence about Elizabeth Packard uh an incredible woman in in history who was a victim of of crime and domestic violence and course of control and put in insane asylum without being insane and she got out uh around the age of 50 and that was the beginning of her most important most powerful work so life is certainly never over at 67 um so that's what I think I'm just kind of like really he's going to have another chance at at life really the jury did take pity in the end but we shall see right thanks for everyone it is not old I know it is not all right we'll see you bye