Countdown to the 2024 election: Day 53 | MSNBC Highlights

I HAD OUR FIRST DEBATE AND I BELIEVE WE OWE IT TO THE VOTERS TO HAVE ANOTHER DEBATE BECAUSE THIS ELECTION AND WHAT IS AT STAKE COULD NOT BE MORE IMPORTANT. ON TUESDAY NIGHT, I TALKED ABOUT ISSUES THAT I KNOW MATTER TO FAMILIES ACROSS AMERICA, LIKE BRINGING DOWN THE COST OF LIVING, INVESTING IN AMERICA'S SMALL BUSINESSES, PROTECTING REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM AND KEEPING AND KEEPING OUR NATION SAFE AND SECURE. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HEARD FROM DONALD TRUMP. INSTEAD, IT WAS THE SAME OLD SHOW THAT SAME TIRED PLAYBOOK THAT WE'VE HEARD FOR YEARS WITH NO PLANS FOR HOW HE WOULD ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL ABOUT HIM. IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU. WELL, FOLKS, I SAID IT THEN I SAY IT. NOW IT'S TIME TO TURN THE PAGE ON THAT PAGE. TURN THAT PAGE. THAT WAS VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS IN CHARLOTTE, NORTH CAROLINA WRAPPED UP ABOUT 40 MINUTES AGO, 30 MINUTES AGO SAYING THIS QUOTE, WE OWE IT TO THE VOTERS TO HAVE ANOTHER DEBATE. WE SHOULD SHARE WITH YOU THAT WHILE SHE WAS SAYING THAT IN NORTH CAROLINA, DONALD TRUMP TOOK TO TRUTH SOCIAL TO SAY NO, NO, NO, NOT AGAIN. HE DOES NOT INTEND TO DEBATE HER AGAIN. AND THIS IS JUST IN THE HARRIS WALLS CAMPAIGN RAISED $47 MILLION IN THE 24 HOURS FOLLOWING THE DEBATE. JOINING US TO TALK ABOUT IT ALL, SENIOR ADVISER AND SPOKESPERSON FOR THE HARRIS WALLS CAMPAIGN. IAN SAMS IS HERE SAID THE NEW YORK TIMES HAS THAT REPORTING. UNDER THIS STORY. QUOTE, $47 MILLION FLOWED INTO HARRIS'S CAMPAIGN IN THE 24 HOURS AFTER THE DEBATE. IT MAY BE OBVIOUS, BUT THERE IS SOMETHING IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE OLD SORT OF LAWS OF POLITICS, WHICH I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY APPLY TO ANYTHING ANYMORE, BUT TRUMP SHOULD WANT ANOTHER CHANCE. IT'S CLEAR THAT HE WAS SO OUT MATCHED THAT HE SAID, YOU KNOW, UNCLE, NO, THANK YOU. WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU MAKE? IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY WAY TO TRY TO KEEP THIS ON THE TABLE IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR HER TO SIMPLY REACH THAT SIZE AUDIENCE AGAIN? WELL, THANKS FOR HAVING ME. AND I THINK THAT THE WORD THAT WE'RE GETTING OUT OF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN OVER THE LAST 24 HOURS HAS BEEN KIND OF ALL OVER THE PLACE. JASON MILLER YESTERDAY SAYING THAT THEY WOULD DO ONE PRESIDENT TRUMP TODAY SAYING THAT THERE WILL BE NOT, THERE WILL NOT BE ONE. SO WHO KNOWS WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO? I THINK THE VICE PRESIDENT HAS SAID VERY CLEARLY THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE A SECOND CHANCE TO HEAR FROM THEM. YOU KNOW, YOU MENTIONED THE LARGE GRASSROOTS ENTHUSIASM WE GOT IN THE 24 HOURS AFTER THAT DEBATE RAISING $47 MILLION. IT'S FROM 600,000 INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE IN 24 HOURS. I THINK IT SPEAKS TO THE ENERGY AND ENTHUSIASM THAT EXISTS OUT THERE IN THE COUNTRY FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW. AND IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THAT BECAUSE TRUMP AND TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN AND THE TRUMP MAGA WORLD ARE BILLIONAIRE SUPER PAC FUNDED. THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF RESOURCES AT THEIR DISPOSAL TO COME AT THE VICE PRESIDENT OVER THE NEXT 50 DAYS WITH ATTACKS AND SMEARS AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THE RESOURCES TO FIGHT BACK AND HARNESS THIS ENERGY AND ENTHUSIASM THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE, FROM THE DEBATE AND EVEN BEFORE, IN ORDER TO GET HER MESSAGE OUT AND TALK MORE ABOUT THESE ISSUES THAT REALLY MATTER TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU JUST PLAYED IN THAT CLIP IN THE COUPLE OF POLLS THAT HAVE BEEN OUT SINCE THE DEBATE SHOW REALLY GOOD MOVEMENT FOR YOU. BUT I WONDER WHAT THE CAMPAIGNS? WHERE IS YOUR HEAD ON POLLS? DO YOU? DO YOU WISH THEY ALL HAD YOU TIED? DO YOU, ARE YOU HEARTENED TO SEE THE MOVEMENT? I MEAN, HOW DO YOU GUYS INTERNALLY DEAL WITH POLLS AND WHAT DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO TAKE FROM THEM? WE SEE THIS AS A MARGIN OF ERROR RACE, A 50 TO 50 RACE. WE'RE A DIVIDED COUNTRY RIGHT NOW. PRESIDENT TRUMP OBVIOUSLY HAS A LOT OF SUPPORT AMONG REPUBLICANS AND ENTHUSIASTIC SUPPORT IN THE MAGA BASE. BUT YOU KNOW, THE VICE PRESIDENT IS WORKING REALLY HARD TO CHANGE THAT DYNAMIC. YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER ABOUT THE BROAD COALITION THAT SHE'S BUILDING HUNDREDS OF BUSH, ROMNEY MCCAIN ALUMNI WHO ARE COMING OUT AS REPUBLICANS, COURAGEOUS REPUBLICANS WHO ARE PUTTING COUNTRY OVER PARTY TO BACK HER IN THIS RACE. ALBERTO GONZALEZ, THE FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR PRESIDENT BUSH, WHO I KNOW YOU WORK FOR AS WELL OUT THIS MORNING SAYING DONALD TRUMP REPRESENTS A REAL THREAT TO THE RULE OF LAW IN THIS COUNTRY. AND VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS HAS SPENT HER CAREER DEFENDING IT. I MEAN, THERE'S MOMENTUM BUILDING RIGHT NOW FOR A BROAD COALITION OF PEOPLE WHO ARE READY TO TURN THE PAGE ON TRUMP AND CHART A NEW WAY FORWARD WITH THE VICE PRESIDENT. I THINK POLLS WILL GO UP AND DOWN. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S A 50 TO 50 RACE. THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT, YOU KNOW, DEMOCRATS WHO ARE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THE DEBATE ON TUESDAY NIGHT. UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF HARD WORK TO DO. WE NEED PEOPLE TO SIGN UP TO VOLUNTEER. WE NEED PEOPLE TO GO TO KAMALA HARRIS.COM AND CHIP IN A FEW MORE BUCKS IF THEY CAN SO THAT WE CAN FIGHT BACK AGAINST THAT MAGA SMEAR. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE DOING IN THE COMING DAYS EVEN AS POLLS MAY FLUCTUATE UP AND DOWN, WHAT ARE THE BEST AND MOST TANGIBLE THINGS? YOU HOPE THAT THE TAYLOR SWIFT ENDORSEMENT AND MESSAGE BRINGS TO THE CAMPAIGN. WELL, IT'S INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FORMER REPUBLICAN LUMINARIES, INCLUDING A FORMER REPUBLICAN VICE PRESIDENT, FORMER CONGRESSWOMAN LIZ CHENEY, THE COALITION SPANS FROM THEM ALL THE WAY TO TAYLOR SWIFT. YOU KNOW, TAYLOR SWIFT REPRESENTS SOMETHING REALLY MEANINGFUL FOR SO MANY PEOPLE ACROSS THIS COUNTRY, ESPECIALLY FRANKLY, WOMEN WHO REALLY IDENTIFY WITH HER. AND WE ARE SO PROUD TO HAVE HER SUPPORT. THE VICE PRESIDENT IS SO PROUD TO HAVE HER SUPPORT AND FOR HER TO SPEAK OUT, TAKES COURAGE. IT TAKES COURAGE WHEN YOU ARE SOMEONE WITH HER STATURE AND HER AUDIENCE TO STEP OUT AND SAY THAT THIS ELECTION MEANS SOMETHING REALLY SIGNIFICANT FOR THE COUNTRY AND WE CAN'T STAY QUIET AND PEOPLE NEED TO GO VOTE. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S PART OF THE EXAMPLE OF THE KIND OF FUTURE THAT THE VICE PRESIDENT IS WANTING TO BUILD ONE WHERE WE ARE MORE UNITED THAN WE ARE TODAY, MORE THAN WE CERTAINLY WERE UNDER FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, NOT GOING BACK TO THAT KIND OF CHAOS AND DIVISION. THAT IS THAT IS ONE OF HER TOP PRIORITIES IN THIS RACE. THAT'S ONE OF HER TOP PRIORITIES AS PRESIDENT IS TO BRING US TOGETHER AS A PEOPLE AGAIN. AND I THINK THAT WHEN YOU SEE THIS BROAD GROUNDSWELL OF SUPPORT FROM ACROSS THE IDEOLOGICAL SPECTRUM, THE AGE SPECTRUM WHERE PEOPLE ARE FROM YOU KNOW, SHE'S BUILDING A COALITION TO WIN THIS RACE AND WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING REALLY HARD TO GROW THAT IN THE COMING DAYS AND WEEKS THIS WEEK, AS WE APPROACH THE END OF IT TOMORROW CAPS ANOTHER MILESTONE FOR HARRIS IN WHAT IS A COMPRESSED CAMPAIGN. REMEMBER, SHE RAISED $47 MILLION IN THE 24 HOURS AFTER THE DEBATE. THAT'S THEIR BEST HAUL SINCE SHE ANNOUNCED HER CANDIDACY. AND THIS HAS BECOME SOMETHING OF A PATTERN. IT IS WORTH RECALLING THAT INITIALLY, HARRIS WAS FACING DOUBTERS BEFORE SHE ENTERED THE RACE, INCLUDING A DC PRESS CORPS THAT HAD SPENT A LOT OF TIME OVER THREE YEARS PANNING HER WORK AS VP. SHE INITIALLY QUIETED THEM WITH A STRONG START TO THE CAMPAIGN. MANY HEADLINES AND OBSERVERS SAID NOT ONLY WAS IT GOING WELL IN THOSE FIRST FEW WEEKS, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER BUT BETTER THAN EXPECTED. BUT WHAT IS EXPECTED MEAN THAT'S COMPARED TO THE SAME HEADLINE WRITERS AND OTHER DC TYPES. THEN SHE FACED AN OFTEN REPUBLICAN LED CAMPAIGN SAYING SHE SHOULD DO MORE PRESS. SHE HAS SINCE DONE A NATIONAL TV INTERVIEW AND RADIO INTERVIEWS AND DRAWN POSITIVE REVIEWS FOR THAT. AND THEN THERE WERE THE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW SHE WOULD HANDLE TRUMP AS A DEBATER. AND IT'S TRUE. DONALD TRUMP HAS RATTLED EVEN EXPERIENCED DEBATERS INCLUDING THE 2016 REPUBLICAN FIELD. THAT'S A POINT THAT WE REPORTED ON AND HEARD ABOUT EARLIER THIS WEEK ON THIS PROGRAM. DONALD TRUMP MAY BE A CRUDE LIAR BUT THAT HAS NOT ALWAYS MADE HIM EASY TO HANDLE ON THAT DEBATE STAGE. KAMALA HARRIS HANDLED HIM NEW POLLS TODAY. SHOW THAT AMONG AMERICANS WHO SAY THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE DEBATE. REMEMBER 67 MILLION PEOPLE WATCHED IT LIVE. MILLIONS MORE SAW SOME HIGHLIGHTS OR DISCUSSION OR READ COVERAGE ABOUT IT. WE'LL SHOW YOU THE RESULTS. EARLY POLLS SAY HARRIS WON THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE AND THE NUMBERS TODAY, MOST SAY HARRIS WON DOUBLE THE SHARE WHO SAY TRUMP WON. YOU CAN SEE THAT MOST THOUGHT TRUMP STUMBLED AND WAS NOT SHARP. ONLY ONE OUT OF FIVE VOTERS THOUGHT THAT OF HARRIS. THAT'S A STRONG TAKEAWAY STRIKING IN OUR POLARIZED ELECTORATE. OVER 40% OF AMERICANS BACK TRUMP. SO EVEN THOSE WHO BACKED TRUMP DON'T SAY THAT HE WON BECAUSE IT'S ALL THE WAY DOWN TO 24%. SIMPLE MATH. AND THEN SOME REPUBLICANS HAVE CERTAINLY HEARD FROM THE CONSERVATIVE VOICES PIERCING TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN CLAIMS ABOUT A GREAT DEBATE. THERE HAVE BEEN TOUGH CRITIQUES OF HIS MEANDERING AND ANGRY PERFORMANCE THAT NIGHT AND LET ME BREAK IT DOWN BRIEFLY. IT'S NOT THAT COMPLICATED, BUT IT'S POLITICS, RIGHT? SO NOT EVERYONE'S JUST BEING HONEST ALL THE TIME. SOME OF THE REPUBLICANS SAYING TRUMP BLEW IT MAY JUST BE TELLING THE TRUTH, GOING ABOUT THEIR LIVES AND CAREERS AND SAYING WHAT THEY SEE HONESTLY. OTHERS, FOR EXAMPLE, TRUMP CAMPAIGN SURROGATE RFKJR MAY BE HOPING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SOMEHOW GET THROUGH TO TRUMP THROUGH THE TELEVISION. WE'VE SEEN THAT BEFORE. AND SO THEY ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO HELP HIM BY GIVING HIM THE TRUTH THAT I JUST SHOWED YOU THAT HE DID POORLY AND THE VOTERS THINK HE DID POORLY INCLUDING REPUBLICANS, WHICH IS A PROBLEM WHEN YOU'RE RUNNING FOR OFFICE. SO THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY HE DID BADLY TO GET HIM TO CORRECT HIS MISTAKES BEFORE. IT'S TOO LATE AGAINST JOE BIDEN. THAT GUY ATTACK AND READY WITH ANSWERS, BUT HE WASN'T HERE. WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENED? ABSOLUTELY. WELL, SHE WAS LOADED FOR BEAR. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. DONALD TRUMP LOST AND THIS IS NOT THE WORST DEBATE PERFORMANCE I'VE SEEN IN MY CAREER, BUT HE IS VERY CLOSE TO IT. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS CLEARLY WON THE DEBATE IN TERMS OF HER DELIVERY, HER POLISH, UH HER ORGANIZATION AND I THINK THAT, UH THAT HE LOSES BECAUSE OF THIS DEBATE PERFORMANCE. THE LAST VOICE, THERE IS A RIGHT LEANING POLLSTER FRANK LUNTZ. NOW HE'S PROJECTING ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE FUTURE. I WILL TELL YOU AGAIN AS I'VE TOLD YOU AND WE'LL KEEP TRACK OF THIS TOGETHER AS WE GO TOWARDS ELECTION DAY. WE CAN'T SAY ANYTHING RESPONSIBLE ABOUT VOTES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN CAST YET. WE'LL START MONITORING EARLY VOTES AND POLLING ON THAT WHEN IT HAPPENS, BUT NO ONE'S VOTED YET. SO THE DEBATE MAY OR MAY NOT RESOLVE IT. AS FOR RFKJR, HE JUST RECENTLY ENDORSED TRUMP. HE IS LOOKING FOR A JOB IN THE ADMINISTRATION. HE HAS EVERY REASON IF YOU ANALYZE PEOPLE'S BEHAVIOR BY THEIR INCENTIVES. HE HAS EVERY REASON TO WANT TRUMP TO WIN. SO HE MIGHT BE SAYING SOMETHING THAT SOUNDS POSITIVE FOR HARRIS AND BAD FOR TRUMP. BUT IT WOULD BE A REASONABLE CONCLUSION THAT SOMEONE INVOLVED IN THE SPIN ROOM, HE WAS THERE AND ALL THAT TRUMP ENDORSER WANTS A JOB THINKS THAT IF THEY CAN JUST GET TRUMP TO REALIZE HOW POORLY HE DID, MAYBE THEY CAN IMPROVE HIM AND HELP HIM GET BACK ON TRACK AND STILL MAYBE WIN. AS FOR WHAT DEBATES DO THEY BLAST BEYOND THE NIGHT OF THE THING. EVEN IF SO MANY PEOPLE WATCH IT LIVE AND THE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN THE DEBATE OFTEN ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SOMETHING TO INVOKE OR THEY THINK THEY WANT. SO I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU NEW FROM KAMALA HARRIS HOW SHE IS USING TRUMP'S DEBATE ANSWERS TO MAKE POINTS. AND SHE WOULD ARGUE TO EDUCATE AND EDIFY THE VOTERS ABOUT WHERE HE STANDS OR WHY HE'S RUNNING AND HIDING FROM WHERE HE REALLY STANDS. DONALD TRUMP INTENDS TO END THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT. YOU HEARD WHAT HE SAID IN THE DEBATE? HE, HE HAS NO PLAN TO REPLACE IT. HE SAID HE SAID CONCEPT OF A FLIGHT. OH, YOU ALL WATCH THE DEBATE, CONCEPTS, CONCEPTS. NO ACTUAL PLANNED CONCEPTS. DONALD TRUMP REFUSED TO SAY THAT HE WOULD VETO A NATIONAL ABORTION BAN. YOU REMEMBER THAT? HE REFUSED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION? REFUSE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. WELL, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU. WHEN CONGRESS PASSES A BILL TO RESTORE REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM. AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, I WILL PROUDLY AND TO ALL WHO WORKED WITH HIM EVERY DAY IN THE WHITE HOUSE, SAT WITH HIM IN THE OVAL OFFICE. HAVE WARNED AMERICA. DONALD TRUMP IS NOT FIT TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND SHOULD NEVER AGAIN OCCUPY OUR NATION'S HIGHEST OFFICE. DO IN FREEDOM. BELIEVE IN OPPORTUNITY. WE BELIEVE IN THE PROMISE OF AMERICA. ARE WE READY TO FIGHT FOR IT? AND WE FIGHT? WE HARRIS BRIDGING SOME OF THOSE KEY MOMENTS. SHE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT FROM THE DEBATE WITH WHAT THEY CALL A STUMP SPEECH. SOME OF THOSE LINES YOU MAY HAVE HEARD BEFORE. A REMIX POWERED BY WHAT SHE AND HER CAMPAIGN THINKS WAS A GREAT NIGHT AFTER THE CHARLOTTE RALLY. HARRIS IS IN GREENSBORO FOR ANOTHER RALLY LATER TONIGHT, TRUMP IN ARIZONA SPEAKING AT A MUSIC HALL. IT'S GOT ABOUT A 2000 CAPACITY. HARRIS THOUGH IS IN A COLISEUM WITH A 10,000 CAPACITY. SO IF SHE FILLS IT UP AT ALL, SHE WILL BE FAR MORE THAN TRIPLING HIS CROWD. A CONTRAST DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN PUSHING, INCLUDING A MOBILE BILLBOARD THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO CIRCLE TRUMP'S RALLY TODAY ALL ABOUT THIS. OF COURSE, THEY ALSO HAD THAT AD THIS WEEK WITH THE SAME THEME, CITING OBAMA'S DNC SPEECH. OH, SHE HAD A BIG CROWD. OH, A CROWD, THIS WEIRD OBSESSION WITH CROWD SIZES ON AND ON BOTH CAMPAIGNS. ALSO LOOKING AT THE SWING STATES, HARRIS WILL GO TO P A TOMORROW, TRUMP TO NEVADA AND THERE'S THE MOOD MUSIC, THE US IS FACING ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS FROM THE ECONOMY TO UNCERTAINTY ABROAD AND WARS RAGING. THAT'S ONE REASON THAT REMEMBER BIDEN AND HARRIS HAVE BOTH FACED HEADWINDS. THERE ARE PLENTY OF REAL REASONS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICIANS BUT ACTUAL REAL WORLD AND ECONOMIC REALITIES THAT HAVE PEOPLE CONCERNED IN AMERICA. BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME SIGNS OF A TURNING. TAKE A LOOK AT RUPERT MURDOCH'S WALL STREET JOURNAL TODAY, WHICH IS BOTH THE MOST IMPORTANT FINANCIAL PUBLICATION IN AMERICA AND A LEADER OF CONSERVATIVE THOUGHT. I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU TODAY'S FRONT PAGE AND IT'S BLARING HEADLINES THAT ARE RATTLING THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. INFLATION SLOWING TO A THREE YEAR LOW. THOSE ARE IMPROVING NUMBERS AND THEN RIGHT NEXT TO IT, BOOM, TRUMP'S DEBATE, MISSTEPS HAVE GOP FRETTING. THIS IS WHAT WALL STREET AND MANY LEADING CONSERVATIVES ARE WAKING UP TO THIS MORNING. THIS IS THE MUSIC INSIDE THE PAPER, AN OP ED FROM REPUBLICAN KARL ROVE HITTING TRUMP'S CATASTROPHIC DEBATE PERFORMANCE. THE BUSH MASTERMIND KNOWS DEBATES WELL AND HE LIKENS TRUMP'S OBVIOUSLY POOR PERFORMANCE. THIS IS HIS COMPARISON TO A PIG WHICH CANNOT BE PRETTIED UP. THERE'S NO PUTTING LIPSTICK ON THIS PIG. ROVE WRITES TRUMP WAS CRUSHED BY A WOMAN. HE PREVIOUSLY DISMISSED AS QUOTE DUMB AS A ROCK WHICH RAISES THE QUESTION. GET READY FOR THE BURN IN THE JOURNAL. WHAT DOES THAT MAKE HIM TOUGH QUESTION FROM A REPUBLICAN. NOW, KARL ROVE HAS CLASHED WITH TRUMP SO THE FORMER PRESIDENT COULD JUST DISMISS THIS AS MORE ANTI TRUMP BIAS. BUT LET'S BE CLEAR, REMEMBER WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN WOULD LOVE THAT IF TRUMP CONTINUES TO DISMISS EVEN REPUBLICANS TRYING TO WARN HIM THAT HE'S DOING POORLY OR HIS OWN SUPPORTERS LIKE RFKJR, IGNORING FACTS AND SOUND ADVICE AND TRADITIONAL SOLID DEBATE PREP IS WHAT HELPED TRUMP GET INTO THIS MESS THIS WEEK. IN FACT, POLITICAL REPORTER JOHN HEILMAN WAS NOTING TODAY ON MS NBC THAT TRUMP'S TOP TWO CAMPAIGN OFFICIALS COULD LOSE THEIR JOBS JUST FOR LEVELING WITH HIM OVER A POOR DEBATE. IN FACT, THESE TWO NEVER MADE IT INTO THE SPIN ROOM THAT TRUMP CRASHED RIGHT AFTER THE DEBATE. TRUMP RUNNING AWAY FROM HONEST FEEDBACK ABOUT A POOR CAMPAIGN NOT TOWARDS REALITY IN ORDER TO FACE REALITY. SO AFTER THE MOST EVENTFUL WEEK OF THE WHOLE HARRIS TRUMP MATCHUP, WHERE DOES THIS ALL LEAVE US AGAIN? SOME THINGS MATTER MORE THAN OTHERS. THE FACT HERE IN THE DATA THAT MOST PEOPLE THINK HARRIS WON. THE DEBATE IS A BIG TAKEAWAY THIS WEEK. NUMBER TWO, TOP REPUBLICANS SEE THAT AND ARE SEARCHING FOR WAYS TO MOVE TRUMP TOWARDS REALITY, TO FACE THAT. SO HE MIGHT IMPROVE HIS POSITION AND HE'S RESISTING THAT TRUMP DOES NOT WANT TO HEAR HE LOST THE DEBATE ANYMORE THAN HE COULD ACCEPT THAT HE LOST THE ELECTION. HE SENT OUT GIULIANI AND OTHERS TO LIE ABOUT THAT. AND ULTIMATELY OTHERS COMMITTED CRIMES OVER THAT LIE. WE KNOW THAT STORY, LYING TACTICS THAT ONCE HURT HIS OPPONENTS THOUGH OR EVEN CONFUSED, HIS FOLLOWERS SEEM TO BE LOSING THEIR PUNCH. AND THAT'S THE THIRD AND IMPORTANT THING HERE, TRUMP IS LYING HIMSELF INTO SHEER ABSURDITY. THINK ABOUT THE PETS, OUR NATION BEHOLDING THIS AGING POLITICIAN, DOUBLING DOWN ON HIS PET EATING DELUSIONS WHICH IN THIS MATTERS, IN POLITICS ARE BOOMERANGING, BOOMERANGING ON HIM AMIDST THE DENUNCIATIONS OF THE RACE. BAITING THAT RELATES TO THAT THE IMMIGRATION THING. THERE'S ALSO LAUGHTER, BEMUSEMENT, POLITICAL PITY WHICH HARRIS EVINCED FOR AMERICANS IN REAL TIME. IT WAS LIKE A REACTION VIDEO OF A VERY, VERY BAD UNCLE YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR FROM ANYMORE. THEY SAY AFTER THE LAUGHTER COMES THE TEARS, WELL, SOMETIMES AFTER THE LAUGHTER, PEOPLE JUST LOOK AWAY. IS THAT HAPPENING HERE STILL A TIGHT RACE IN THE KEY STATES. BUT THE DEBATE CLEARLY DIDN'T HELP TRUMP. MOST PEOPLE THINK HE LOST AND IT HURT HIM. REPUBLICANS ARE WARNING HIM TO FACE THAT FACT AND FOR HIM, TIME COULD BE RUNNING OUT JOINING US. NOW, BRENDAN BUCK, FORMER AIDE TO HOUSE SPEAKER IS PAUL RYAN AND JOHN BOEHNER AND AN MS NBC POLITICAL ANALYST, MAYA RUPERT, SENIOR ADVISER FOR ELIZABETH WARREN'S CAMPAIGN AND FORMER CAMPAIGN MANAGER FOR JULIAN CASTRO. AND BEN WICKLER IS CHAIR OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF WISCONSIN. WELCOME TO ALL BEN. IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE IN STUDIO. I DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU THIS, YOUR STATE IS AT THE CENTER OF BOTH OF THESE THINGS. PUSH FOR VOTER REGISTRATION, BUT ALSO SOME PROBLEMS WITH GETTING THINGS UNDERWAY. AND I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT BOTH. FIRST, TELL ME ABOUT THE SURGE IN VOTER REGISTRATION IN YOUR STATE. WHAT ARE YOU GUYS UP TO? IT'S VERY EXCITING TO SEE THE NUMBER. I KEEP COMING BACK TO THE FACT IS THAT ON AUGUST 13TH, WE HAD OUR AUGUST PRIMARY ELECTION FOR THE FALL AND THIS YEAR COMPARED TO THE AUGUST PRIMARY ELECTION IN PRESIDENTIAL YEARS FOR THE LAST SIX DECADES HAD THE HIGHEST VOTER TURNOUT INCLUDING PEOPLE SAME DAY REGISTERING, WHICH YOU CAN DO IN WISCONSIN. YOU DON'T HAVE TO REGISTER IN ADVANCE. WE'RE SEEING THIS FLOOD OF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY YOUNG PEOPLE. BUT FOLKS ALL OVER THE STATE GETTING INVOLVED VOLUNTEERING FOR THE FIRST TIME, MORE THAN HALF OF THE VOLUNTEERS THAT ARE SIGNING UP NOW HAVE NEVER VOLUNTEERED WITH US BEFORE AND THEN ACTUALLY GETTING OUT REGISTERING AND VOTING. I'M JUST GOING TO ASK YOU REALLY QUICKLY BECAUSE YOU AND I WERE TALKING ON THE PHONE A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO IN ADVANCE OF THE DEBATE, HOW MANY VOLUNTEER HOURS HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN SERVED IN YOUR STATE? WELL, WE'VE SEEN MORE THAN 50,000 PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED UP, BUT WE'VE HAD 40,000 PEOPLE COMPLETE VOLUNTEER SHIFTS THAT ARE USUALLY TWO OR THREE HOURS LONG. AND A LOT OF THEM ARE FOLKS THAT ARE NOW RE REGISTERING TO COME BACK AGAIN AND AGAIN, THESE ARE KNOCKING ON DOORS. THIS IS MAKING PHONE CALLS, JOINING PHONE BANKS AND THEN ALSO GOING TO FARMERS' MARKETS, HAVING BARBECUES AND THEN ASKING EVERYONE THERE TO TAKE THEIR PHONES OUT AND CONTACT EVERYONE THEY KNOW TO GO TO WISDOMS.ORG AND SIGN UP TO VOLUNTEER AND DONATE. THAT ENGAGEMENT IS FUELING A SURGE OF ENERGY THAT I THINK WILL HAVE CONSEQUENCES DOWN BALLOT AND STATE LEGISLATIVE RACES. HOUSE TAMMY BALDWIN FOR SENATE AND THE PRESIDENTIAL. SO THE GOOD NEWS IS WE ALL WANT AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE TO PARTICIPATE AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE TO VOTE. ARE YOU CONCERNED THOUGH ABOUT THE WARNING IN THAT LETTER TO THE POSTMASTER GENERAL THAT THERE IS A RISK OF LIMITING VOTER PARTICIPATION AND ERODING TRUST. WHAT I THINK IS GOOD IS THAT SO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE ARE ENGAGED WRITING THAT LETTER WORKING TO SOLVE THESE ISSUES. WE'VE SEEN OVER AND OVER THESE REPUBLICAN ATTACKS AND GOING BACK TO WHEN TRUMP WAS IN OFFICE ATTACKS IN THE US POSTAL SYSTEM. BUT WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER AND OVER IS PEOPLE OVERCOMING THOSE OBSTACLES AND NOW IN EVERY RACE WHERE PEOPLE TRYING TO UNDERMINE THE ELECTION, TRIED TO GAIN PUBLIC OFFICE. PEOPLE WHO BELIEVED IN DEMOCRACY WON THOSE ELECTIONS. SO THIS WILL BE A SAFE AND SECURE ELECTION. IT WILL BE EASY FOR PEOPLE TO CAST THEIR BALLOTS AND THOSE BALLOTS WILL BE COUNTED. WE JUST NEED TO EARN THEM. OK. BRENDAN REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN TRYING TO INCREASE MAIL IN BALLOTING BUT DONALD TRUMP HAS LONG LINKED ABSENTEE AND MAIL BALLOTING WITH FRAUD RIGHT EARLIER THIS WEEK, HE TWEETED ABOUT UNPROVEN CLAIMS THAT 20% OF MAIL IN BALLOTS IN PENNSYLVANIA ARE FRAUDULENT. SO RNC CHAIR, LAURA TRUMP WAS ASKED ABOUT THAT. HERE'S WHAT SHE SAID. DONALD TRUMP WANTS EVERY VOTER NO MATTER IF YOU'RE VOTING REPUBLICAN DEMOCRAT OR THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT YOU 20% OF THEM ARE FRAUDULENT. HE'S SPECIFICALLY REFERENCING INFORMATION FROM THE 2020 ELECTION. WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS MAKING SURE THAT EVERY VOTE MATTERS AND EVERY VOTE COUNTS. AND I'VE WORKED VERY GOOD INFORMATION. DO WE HAVE? WHAT EVIDENCE IS THERE? THAT 20% OF THE MAIL IN BALLOTS IN PENNSYLVANIA IN 2020 WERE FRAUDULENT. I DIDN'T SEE THAT REPORT SO I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT SO I CAN'T DIRECTLY SPEAK TO THAT. SO BRENDAN ARE REPUBLICANS CAPABLE OF CHANGING THE NARRATIVE ON MAIL IN BALLOTS WHICH THEY NOW, AT LEAST SOME OF THEM SEEM TO BE ACKNOWLEDGING ARE A GOOD THING FOR YOUR OWN CANDIDATE. WELL, EVERY CAMPAIGN OPERATIVE UNDERSTANDS THAT, THAT THEY'RE A GOOD THING. I REMEMBER THE VERY FIRST HOUSE RACE I WORKED ON MANY YEARS AGO. IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I LEARNED THAT YOU, YOU, YOU CHASE MAIL IN BALLOTS BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE TO, YOU BANK THOSE VOTES. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT TURNING THEM OUT. LOOK, DONALD TRUMP HAS UH DONE AND SAID A LOT OF SELF DESTRUCTIVE THINGS OVER THE YEARS BUT THIS IS NEAR THE TOP OF THE LIST. TELLING YOUR VOTERS NOT TO USE MAIL IN VOTES IS COSTING WITHOUT A QUESTION, COSTING YOU VOTES ON ELECTION DAY PEOPLE FOR WHATEVER REASON, DON'T SHOW UP THINGS HAPPEN AND YOU'RE LOSING VOTES. NOW, EVERYONE HAS TRIED TO CONVINCE HIM OTHERWISE, KEVIN MCCARTHY, THE FORMER SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE TRIED TO CONVINCE HIM OTHERWISE, MITCH MCCONNELL TRIED TO CONVINCE HIM OTHERWISE. AND I THINK HE AT THIS POINT HAS BEEN CONVINCED SOMEWHAT THAT HE'S HURTING HIMSELF BY DOING THIS. BUT HE HAS SUCH A LARGE MEGAPHONE THAT HIS DAUGHTER IN LAW TELLING PEOPLE NOW IT'S OK, IS NOT GOING TO DO THE TRICK BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE CONVINCED THAT IT IS ALL PART OF THIS CONSPIRACY, THEY THINK TO OVERTURN PEOPLE'S VOTES. SO MAYA MICHIGAN'S SECRETARY OF STATE SPOKE TO MS NBC ABOUT THREATS THAT ELECTION WORKERS FACE AMID ALL OF THIS. HERE'S WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT IT. IT IS CHILLING. I MEAN, FRANKLY, TO JUST KNOW THAT THESE POWERFUL INDIVIDUALS WITH GREAT MEGAPHONES, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WOULD USE THAT PLATFORM, HIS AMBITIONS TO TRY TO THREATEN US FOR SIMPLY JUST DOING OUR JOBS. THESE THREATS ARE ULTIMATELY NOT THREATS TO US. THEY'RE THREATS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THEY'RE THREATS TO THE WILL OF THE VOTERS AND OUR DEMOCRACY ITSELF. SO MAYA HOW DO YOU REASSURE VOTERS ABOUT THE PROCESS? WHEN NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE DENYING THAT IT'S SAFE, YOU HAVE ELECTION WORKERS WHO ARE SCARED. AND THERE'S ALSO BEEN I DID A QUICK GOOGLE OF ELECTION WORKERS NOW STATE AFTER STATE AFTER STATE ARE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING PEOPLE TO WORK AT ELECTION SITES BECAUSE OF THEIR WORRY THAT THEY ARE NOT SAFE. AND THEY'RE SAYING THERE COULD BE LONG LINES. SO YOU ADD A LACK OF ELECTION WORKERS TO WHAT MAY BE RECORD REGISTRATION DRIVES. WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE YOU? I THINK, I MEAN, IT'S RIGHT TO SOUND THE ALARM BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO WORK. THE ELECTION, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH IT JUST AS YOU SAID, LONG LINES COUPLED WITH UM YOU KNOW, THIS SORT OF HEIGHTENED FEAR, I THINK WE HAVE TO DO A FEW THINGS. ONE, I THINK WE HAVE TO REMIND PEOPLE TO STAY IN LINE THAT IT'S WORTH IT. I THINK THERE NEED TO BE VOICES ACROSS THE BOARD COUNTERING WHAT DONALD TRUMP IS SAYING, I THINK WE NEED, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY DEMOCRATIC VOICES, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY, REALLY VALUABLE RIGHT NOW TO HEAR FROM REPUBLICANS WHO DEEPLY DISAGREE WITH DONALD TRUMP, MAKING SURE PEOPLE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE INTEGRITY OF MAIL IN BALLOTS IS SAFE, THAT THEY CAN USE THEM AND COUNTERING THIS NARRATIVE SO THAT PEOPLE AREN'T AFRAID. I MEAN, THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO WOULD VOLUNTEER TO WORK AT ELECTIONS, WE'RE NOW BEING THREATENED THAT GOES TO THE HEART OF WHO WE ARE AND PEOPLE SHOULD BE SAYING VERY, VERY LOUDLY THAT, THAT, THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE, THAT THAT'S NOT OK. AND I THINK WE ALSO JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING THE MESSAGE THAT WE CAN'T EXPECT TO GET AN ANSWER ON THE NIGHT OF THE ELECTION. WE HAVE TO LET THESE PROCESSES PLAY OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE'S VOTES ARE COUNTED. AND THAT MEANS THAT UNFORTUNATELY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE STAYING UP WATCHING ELECTION RESULTS AND SOME OF THESE WILL NOT BE DECIDED NIGHT OF. AND WE JUST NEED TO PREPARE PEOPLE FOR THAT BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU GET IN THIS SITUATION WHERE PEOPLE ARE DEMANDING SOMETHING THAT CANNOT BE GIVEN TO THEM IMMEDIATELY AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY VOTE GETS COUNTED. SO BRENDAN DEMOCRATS HAVE AN ADVANTAGE. A NEW ONE, THE NAME IS TAYLOR SWIFT HELPING THEM DRIVE UP VOTER REGISTRATION. SO WE JUST GOT A NEW NUMBER, RIGHT? SHE POSTED LINKING TO VOTE.GOV 406,001 SHY OF 406,000 PEOPLE VISITED DURING THE 24 HOUR PERIOD THAT IT WAS LIVE. WE SHOULD NOTE WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THEM ACTUALLY REGISTERED OR WHAT STATES THEY'RE IN. THAT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION. ARE THEY IN BATTLEGROUND STATES? BUT HOW DO REPUBLICANS EVEN ANSWER THAT KIND OF ENGAGEMENT? UH I DON'T REALLY THINK THEY CAN, I MEAN, UH THEY PROBABLY HAVE BEEN NEEDING TO FOCUS ON UH VOTER REGISTRATION FOR, FOR A LONG TIME TO CATCH UP WITH SOMETHING OF THAT. LOOK, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED PREVIOUSLY ABOUT THE, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE KAMALA HARRIS CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN ABLE TO RAISE. AND YOU ASKED THE QUESTION, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH ALL OF THAT MONEY? WELL, THIS IS THE ANSWER. THIS IS WHAT YOU DO WITH IT. YOU REGISTER VOTERS, YOU, YOU OPEN UP OFFICES, YOU TURN OUT PEOPLE THAT OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING TO BE ON THE SIDELINES. LOOK, EVERY CAMPAIGN KNOWS WHO THEIR HIGH PROPENSITY VOTERS ARE. PEOPLE WHO COME OUT EVERY TIME. BUT YOU CAN REALLY START PUTTING POINTS ON THE BOARD WHEN YOU'RE ABLE TO BRING IN PEOPLE WHO ARE UH MAYBE ON THE MARGINS, CURIOUS WHO ARE VOTE FIRST TIME VOTERS. UH WE NEVER KNOW WHAT THE REAL ELECTORATE IS GOING TO BE. BUT WHEN YOU ARE ABLE TO SHAPE WITH THAT ELECTORATE IS, IS GOING TO BE, UH THAT IS WHAT AN EFFECTIVE CAMPAIGN CAN DO AND, AND CLEAR THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE GOING ON RIGHT HERE. AND I THINK TAYLOR SWIFT IN THE MIX CERTAINLY HELPS. SO BEN, THERE IS A NEW MARQUETTE LAW SCHOOL POLL OF WISCONSIN, WISCONSIN ONLY IT SHOWS ENTHUSIASM HAS INCREASED AMONG DEMOCRATS. 72% SAY THEY ARE VERY ENTHUSIASTIC THAT OBVIOUSLY AS THE HEAD OF THE PARTY, THERE IS SOMETHING YOU LIKE TO SEE ENTHUSIASM IS ONE THING WE TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME ACTUALLY GETTING PEOPLE TO THE POLLS IS THE OTHER THING. DO YOU HAVE THE MONEY? WHAT'S YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CAMPAIGN, DO THE OTHER CANDIDATES YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT HAVE THAT KIND OF INFLUX AND IS EVERYBODY SHARING THE INFRASTRUCTURE? TELL US WHAT'S GOING ON. WE ALL KNOW HOW IMPORTANT WISCONSIN IS. SO WE HAVE THIS EXTRAORDINARY COORDINATE CAMPAIGN OPERATION. WE HAVE AT THIS POINT, MORE THAN 200 COORDINATE CAMPAIGN STAFF THAT WORK TO TURN OUT VOTERS, PERSUADE VOTERS FOR EVERY DEMOCRAT ON THE BALLOT. AND AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE SEEING A FLOOD OF DARK MONEY NOW RUNNING ADS ATTACKING DEMOCRATS IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE. WE DEFINITELY NEED MORE RESOURCES AND WE CAN PUT THEM TO USE. WHAT'S EXCITING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU'RE CALLING PEOPLE, YOU'RE KNOCKING ON DOORS AND PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANT TO ENGAGE NOW THEY WANT TO ENGAGE IN REAL LIFE. THE IMPACT OF THIS WORK IS UP NOW BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH INTEREST, SO MUCH CURIOSITY, TAYLOR SWIFT ABSOLUTELY HELPS. BUT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I HAVE SPENT, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY CYCLES GOING DOOR TO DOOR WITH REPUBLICANS, DEMOCRATS, SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS. AND I WOULD SAY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY WANT TO TALK, IT'S A LOW VOLUME NUMBER, NOT EVERYBODY, NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO TALK, BUT MORE PEOPLE DO MARKEDLY MORE PEOPLE. I WAS JUST MEETING WITH GRETA NEUBAUER, THE LEADER OF OUR STATE ASSEMBLY. DEMOCRATIC CAUCUS, CANDIDATES ARE OUT IN FORCE ACROSS WISCONSIN. WE HAVE 97 OUT OF THE 99 ASSEMBLY DISTRICTS. THERE ARE DEMOCRATS RUNNING REPUBLICANS HAVE 84 AND WHEN THE CANDIDATES TALK TO PEOPLE, THEY ARE SHARING THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT COSTS AND THEY WANT PEOPLE WHO WILL STAND UP TO SPECIAL INTERESTS AND BRING COSTS DOWN AND ABOUT FREEDOM ABOUT ABORTION AND REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM. WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT WHEN WE CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THESE VOTERS ABOUT THESE ISSUES, WE CAN MOVE THE NEEDLE AND NOW IT'S A DEAD HEAT TO BE ABLE TO DO IT. THIS, YOU KNOW, WISCONSIN'S WISCONSIN FOR THE LAST SIX PRESIDENTIAL RACES HAVE COME DOWN TO LESS THAN PERCENTAGE POINT. BUT BECAUSE OF ALL THESE NEW FOLKS, WE HAVE A CHANCE NOT JUST TO WIN THE PRESIDENTIAL AND TIP THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE TOWARDS HARRISON WALLS, BUT ALSO TO RE ELECT TAMMY BALDWIN, FLIP TWO HOUSE SEATS FOR REBECCA COOK IN THE FIRST AND PETER BARKER IN THE THIRD AND WIN THE STATE ASSEMBLY MAJORITY AND BREAK THE REPUBLICAN STATE SENATE SUPER MAJORITY. THAT'S A LOT OF POWER IN THE HANDS OF VOTERS. SO FOR ANYONE WHO CARES ABOUT ANY ISSUE, IT'S GO TIME AND OUR MESSAGE IS DON'T JUST VOTE, BRING YOUR FRIENDS TO THE POLLING PLACE. TRUMP DEBATE PERFORMANCE FRUSTRATES REPUBLICANS. THAT IS A HEADLINE FROM THE WALL STREET JOURNAL FOLLOWING HIS DEBATE ON TUESDAY WITH VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS, THE JOURNAL STATES GOP LAWMAKERS AND OTHERS FRETTED THAT TRUMP HAD MISSED CHANCES TO CHALLENGE HARRIS ON HER RECORD AND INSTEAD LET HIS OWN CONTROVERSIES BECOME THE BIGGER STORY AS HARRIS'S NEEDLING GOT UNDER HIS SKIN. REPUBLICAN, SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM OF SOUTH CAROLINA OF COURSE, A STAUNCH ALLY, DONALD TRUMP CALLED THE DEBATE A MISSED OPPORTUNITY. AND REPUBLICAN SENATOR KEVIN KRAMER OF NORTH DAKOTA SAID, QUOTE, HE TREATED IT LIKE A MINI RALLY IN A LOT OF RESPECTS. YOU'VE GOT TO BE TALKING TO THOSE SWING VOTERS IN SWING STATES. HE COULD DO THAT DEBTOR WITH DETAILS. WE'RE ALSO GETTING NEW REACTION FROM INSIDE THE TRUMP CAMP. ONE ADVISER TELLING NBC NEWS QUOTE, IT WAS NOT HIS BEST PERFORMANCE WITHOUT QUESTION. THAT'S FROM INSIDE THE TRUMP CAMP. A LONG TIME REPUBLICAN OPERATIVE SAYING I KNOW EVERYONE IN THE WORLD HAS SAID THIS BUT THE INABILITY OR UNWILLINGNESS TO REALIZE WHEN HE'S BEING BAITED AND NOT FALL FOR IT IS CONSTANTLY BAFFLING. AND HOW ABOUT THIS, ROBERT F, KENNEDY JR, OF COURSE, RECENTLY SUSPENDED HIS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN TO ENDORSE DONALD TRUMP CRITICIZED TRUMP'S DEBATE PERFORMANCE. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS CLEARLY WON THE DEBATE IN TERMS OF HER DELIVERY, HER POLISH UH UH HER ORGANIZATION AND, AND HER PREPARATION. I THINK PRESIDENT TRUMP WINS IN TERMS OF HIS GOVERNANCE AND BUT HE DIDN'T TELL THAT STORY. THIS IS FROM A GUY JOHN WITH AN AFFINITY FOR EATING ANIMALS THAT HE HITS ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD. SO THAT'S TOUGH CRITICISM. THAT ISSUE HAD DECIMATED IT. YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE REALLY RESONATING THERE WITH R. KENNEDY JR FOR SURE. BUT THERE HAS BEEN WIDESPREAD CONSTERNATION FROM BOTH INSIDE THE TRUMP CAMP AND OTHER REPUBLICANS WHO SAW THAT WHO SAID CLAIMED THAT TRUMP WAS PREPARED THAT HE WAS GOING TO GO IN THERE AND REALLY HAMMER HOME THE ECONOMY AND IMMIGRATION AND HE DID TRY A COUPLE OF TIMES TO SHOEHORN IMMIGRATION ANSWERS INTO QUESTIONS. BUT THEN HE WAS DERAILED BY TALKING LIKE EATING DOGS AND EATING CATS IN OHIO TO THE POINT YESTERDAY WHERE THE CITY MANAGER OF THAT TOWN IS SPRINGFIELD, OHIO HAD TO COME OUT AND HOLD A NEWS CONFERENCE. A MAN NAMED BRIAN, HECK, WHO I'M SURE TWO WEEKS AGO DID NOT HAVE THIS ON HIS BINGO CARD. FROM WHEN THE REST OF HIS LIFE WOULD CARRY HIM, HAD TO HAVE A NEWS CONFERENCE SAY THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. AND THEN THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR OF THAT STATE GOVERNOR DEWINE ALSO SAID THAT'S NOT TRUE, THAT'S NOT HAPPENING HERE. IT HAS NOT DISSUADED TRUMP, HOWEVER, WHO CONTINUES TO PUSH IT YESTERDAY AS WELL AS SUGGESTING THAT THE FEC TAKE AWAY ABC'S BROADCAST LICENSE BECAUSE OF PERCEIVED BIAS IN THAT DEBATE. AND I THINK THAT FOR REPUBLICANS, THEIR CONCERN IS TWOFOLD. ONE IS THEY KNOW THAT HARRIS STILL UNKNOWN TO A LOT OF AMERICANS CAME OUT OF THERE LOOKING GOOD THAT SHE WAS ABLE TO SHOW THAT SHE PASSED THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF TEST. BUT SECONDLY, TRUMP CRAZINESS WAS ON FULL DISPLAY AND SHE WAS ABLE TO BAIT HIM SEVERAL TIMES INTO LOOKING UNHINGED, INTO GETTING ANGRY, INTO REMINDING AMERICANS WHY THEY GOT TIRED OF HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND THAT I THINK JOE IS SOMETHING THAT A LOT IN THE TRUMP, THOSE TRUMP'S CLOSE ADVISERS, INCLUDING SOMEONE I SPOKE TO YESTERDAY AFTERNOON WHO SAID, LIKE, YOU KNOW, AS THEY GO BACK AND FORTH AS TO WHETHER THEY'LL DEBATE WITH HER AGAIN, THAT THEY REALLY FEEL LIKE THEY GAVE HER A REAL ASSIST. AND TRUMP FORMED A REAL IMPRESSION OF PEOPLE'S MINDS WHO ARE REMINDED, WHO MAY HAVE HAD TRUMP AMNESIA. LIKE, OH, MAYBE THINGS WEREN'T THAT BAD. MAYBE WE COULD, MAYBE WE LIKE HIS ECONOMY OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE AND THEN THEY LOOK AT THAT AND GO, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT AGAIN. NO, I MEAN, 60 MILLION VIEWERS SAW THAT SIDE OF DONALD TRUMP. I MEAN, 60 MILLION. THAT'S ALL. I MEAN, THE ONLY TWO TV SHOWS UH IN AMERICA THAT PEOPLE WATCH MORE OF THE SUPER BOWL AND WAY TOO EARLY WITH JONATHAN O AND OUTSIDE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT PRESSURE IS LIKE. BUT WILLIE, YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYBODY WAS FOCUSED INCLUDING REPUBLICANS ON, ON HOW BADLY THAT DONALD TRUMP DID. THEY DIDN'T FOCUS ON HOW WELL KAMALA HARRIS DID. AND IT WAS REALLY BROUGHT HOME LAST NIGHT. I WAS, I WAS SCROLLING THROUGH THE NEWS AND I SAW A COUPLE OF LIKE WATCH PARTIES, PEOPLE WATCHING HARRIS AND HER PAUSING AT CERTAIN POINTS, WHICH OF COURSE YOU'RE WATCHING IT AND YOU'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE WATCHING IT IN YOUR OWN HOME AND YOU DON'T GET HOW EVERYBODY'S REACTING. BUT PEOPLE WERE LAUGHING AT, AT HER. THE PAUSE IS CHEERING. SHE REALLY AFTER STARTING THE FIRST COUPLE OF MINUTES. UH, A BIT NERVOUS, SHE REALLY COMMANDED A BOB SHRUM, OBVIOUSLY A DEMOCRAT WHO IS, WHO HAS WORKED ON PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGNS AND MARK MCKINNON, A REPUBLICAN WHO'S OBVIOUSLY WORKED ON GEORGE W BUSH'S CAMPAIGNS AND MCCAIN'S CAMPAIGNS BOTH SAID THE SAME THING THAT THIS, THEY BELIEVE WAS THE BEST DEBATE PERFORMANCE THEY HAVE SEEN SINCE JFKS IN 1960. SO THAT IS THEIR OPINION. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN WE THINK ABOUT HOW THIS DEBATE IS GOING TO IMPACT PEOPLE. WE TAKE NOTE OF THE FACT THAT DONALD TRUMP LOST, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IN EQUAL MEASURES, KAMALA HARRIS WON. AND BY DOING SO WITH A MASSIVE TV AUDIENCE, SHE DID CLEAR THAT HURDLE, SHE PROVED THAT SHE WAS NOT WHAT THE TRUMP RIGHT HAS BEEN CALLING HER FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS. IT WAS A HUGE TEST FOR HER BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE DNC IN CHICAGO, SHE HAD THERE WAS A GREAT CONVENTION, BUT THAT'S A PEP RALLY, THAT'S A HOME GAME AND SHE LOOKED GREAT IN THAT AND THE PARTY WAS UNIFIED THERE. BUT NOW SHE STEPS INTO THE ARENA WITH THE OPPONENT. SHE'S IN THE BOXING RING. THIS ISN'T SPARRING ANYMORE. IT WAS REAL AND YOU MAKE A GREAT POINT BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP'S ATROCIOUS, HISTORICALLY TERRIBLE PERFORMANCE OVERSHADOWS IN SOME WAYS, THE WAYS IN WHICH SHE INSTIGATED HIS PERFORMANCE IN WHICH SHE PROVOKED HIM AND GOT HIM TO GO TO HIS DARKEST PLACES AND THEN WAS ABLE TO JUST SIT IN A SPLIT SCREEN AND SORT OF THE SUBTEXT WAS, DO YOU WANT THIS AGAIN? AMERICA, RATIONAL SANE PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO LIVE YOUR LIVES AND HAVE A STRONG ECONOMY AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR FAMILIES. DO YOU WANT TO LIVE THROUGH THIS FOR ANOTHER FOUR OR FIVE YEARS? AND THEN SHE WOULD TURN AND SAY HE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT HIMSELF. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOU, WHICH I THINK IS THE MESSAGE SHE WANTED TO DRIVE HOME. SO CHARLIE SYKES, AS YOU WATCHED A COUPLE OF AGO, WE'VE HEARD FROM MANY POLLSTERS, PEOPLE LIKE FRANK LUNTZ WITH FOCUS GROUPS, PEOPLE WITH DIAL TESTS SAYING THOSE DIALS WENT WAY DOWN ON DONALD TRUMP WHEN HE LAUNCHED INTO SOME OF HIS MORE INSANE RANTS ABOUT EATING DOGS AND OTHER THINGS. BUT ALSO INCONSISTENCIES THAT HE CANNOT EXPLAIN AWAY ON THE ISSUE OF ABORTION. FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT DID YOU SEE AS YOU WATCHED WITH YOUR TRAINED EYE A COUPLE OF NIGHTS AGO? WELL, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF WHAT WE SAW WITH DONALD TRUMP, YOU KNOW, THE BITTERNESS, THE ANGRY, THE FABULIST IS FAMILIAR TO THOSE OF US WHO HAVE WATCHED DONALD TRUMP OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, RIGHT? BUT THIS MAY HAVE COME AS A REVELATION OR A REMINDER TO TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO WERE TURNING IN AND GO, OH MY GOSH, WHO IS THIS ANGRY OLD MAN YELLING AT THE CLOUDS HERE? AND AS YOU POINT OUT, KAMALA HARRIS IS AN UNKNOWN FACTOR FOR MANY, MANY, MANY VOTERS AND SHE PUT ON A REALLY EXTRAORDINARY PERFORMANCE, NOT JUST DISCIPLINE. I MEAN, LOOK, SHE ALSO WON THAT SPLIT SCREEN IN A RATHER DRAMATIC FASHION. I THINK THAT THAT A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT UNDERAPPRECIATED BUT, BUT A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE AND I THINK YOU HIGHLIGHTED THIS AT THE, AT THE TOP OF THE SHOW, DONALD TRUMP. I MEAN, THERE'S A WARNING HERE TOO, YOU KNOW, THAT DONALD TRUMP AS WE KNOW LIVES IN A BUBBLE OF DELUSION. BUT ALSO WHAT HE DEMONSTRATED WAS REPUBLICANS REFUSED TO TAKE THE L THEY REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIS, HE REFUSES TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIS LOSS. AND ALSO THEY REMAIN ADDICTED TO THESE FAKE INTERNET MEMES. EVEN AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN DEBUNKED, THEY WILL NOT LET GO OF THE BIG LIE. AND I THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE THIS IS NOT A NEW PATTERN FOR THOSE OF US WHO WILL FOLLOW THIS. BUT THINK OF THIS IN THE CONTEXT OF THE ELECTION AND THE BIG LIE, DONALD TRUMP IS CREATING AN ALTERNATIVE REALITY WHERE HE NEVER ADMITS THAT HE LOSES. AND NO MATTER HOW EGREGIOUS THE LIE IS, NO MATTER HOW MUCH IT HAS BEEN REFUTED, THEY WILL STICK WITH IT. AND THAT I THINK THAT'S KIND OF EXTRAORDINARY HOW DEEPLY ONLINE THEY'VE GOTTEN AND HOW EVEN IN, YOU KNOW, AND BY THE WAY, TALK ABOUT BLATANTLY RACIST, YOU KNOW, THE IMAGERY OF DONALD TRUMP SAVING KITTENS IN AMERICA FROM ANGRY BLACK MEN, BUT THEY'RE NOT LETTING IT GO AND THEY WON'T LET THESE THINGS GO. AND I THINK THIS IS AGAIN A MARKER AND A WARNING FOR OUR TIMES. YOU KNOW, WILLIE, THERE IS, THERE IS A PARALLEL. IT'S NOT A STRONG WILLY, STRONG PARALLEL BECAUSE NOTHING COMPARES TO DONALD TRUMP. BUT YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE COVERING THE 2012 ELECTION, MITT ROMNEY, HIS CAMPAIGN, HIS FAMILY LIVED INSIDE THAT FOX NEWS BUBBLE. AND YOU'LL REMEMBER, UH, ON THE FRONT PAGE OF, OF, OF, OF DRUDGE EVERY DAY WAS, WAS ROMNEY PLUS 11 BECAUSE GALLUP, THE GALLUP POLLS WERE SO WILDLY OFF. AND YOU'LL REMEMBER THAT NIGHT AND I'M JUST THAT THIS BUBBLE THAT THEY LIVE IN WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING. OH MY GOD. THEY SAY DA DA DA. THIS BUBBLE LEADS TO DISASTER MOST TIMES. AND YOU'LL REMEMBER THAT NIGHT, MITT ROMNEY AND ANN ROMNEY, TWO PEOPLE I LOVE THEY LATE INTO THE EVENING THEY WERE SURE THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS WRONG WITH THE NUMBERS BECAUSE IT WENT AGAINST EVERYTHING THAT WAS IN THAT BUBBLE IN 2012 THAT REPUBLICANS LIVED IN. EVEN PRE TRUMP. THEY, AND, AND YOU'LL REMEMBER KARL ROVE SAYING SOMETHING'S WRONG WITH THESE NUMBERS. LIKE EVEN LATE INTO THE NIGHT, NOBODY COULD BELIEVE IT BECAUSE THEY HAD ALL BEEN LIVING IN A BUBBLE AND I'M SORRY, BUT I JUST GOT TO SAY IT. THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENED EVERY YEAR SINCE 2017. THEY LIVE IN A BUBBLE AND THEY CONVINCED THEMSELVES THAT BY SAYING UH ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE COMING TO AMERICA WITH LEPROSY THAT, THAT, THAT CARAVANS ARE COMING TO EAT THEIR CHILDREN. YOU KNOW, THEY THINK THAT BY SAYING THE, THE, THE MOST RADICAL WILD THINGS THAT WAS AN EXAGGERATION, UM, THAT SOMEHOW THEY'RE GOING TO SWAY THE MIDDLE, THEY NEVER DO. IT DOESN'T WORK. IT WORKED FOR ONE DAY IN NOVEMBER 9 YEARS AGO. AND WHEN DONALD TRUMP ADMITTED AFTERWARDS, TO ME THAT THE ELECTION COULD HAVE BEEN HELD ON 10 DAYS AND HE MAY HAVE ONLY WON IT ON THAT ONE DAY AND THEY HAVE TANKED THEIR ENTIRE PARTY DESTROYED THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT BASED ON THAT ONE DAY BECAUSE A LETTER WAS WRITTEN UH 10 DAYS BEFORE THAT LITERALLY CHANGED THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION. WE HAVE NEW POLLING A MARQUETTE LAW SCHOOL SURVEY OF WISCONSIN VOTERS CONDUCTED IN THE DAYS BEFORE THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE FINDS VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS LEADING FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP, 52 TO 48% AMONG REGISTERED VOTERS IN A HEAD TO HEAD MATCHUP THOUGH THAT IS STILL WITHIN THE MARGIN OF ERROR. JOINING US NOW, NATIONAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT FOR THE NATION, JOHN NICHOLS AND SENIOR EDITOR AND ELECTIONS ANALYST AT THE COOK POLITICAL REPORT, DAVID WASSERMAN. SO JOHN, IS THIS A BIG DEAL? YEAH, IT'S A BIG DEAL WHEN YOU GET OVER 50% IN WISCONSIN, THAT, THAT ALWAYS COUNTS FOR SOMETHING. AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY OF THE LAST SIX PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS IN WISCONSIN FOUR HAVE BEEN DECIDED BY UNDER 25,000 VOTES. SO WISCONSIN IS ALWAYS CLOSE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS. BUT IF YOU BEGIN TO OPEN UP A SOMEWHAT OF A MARGIN, ESPECIALLY IN THE MARQUETTE POLL, THAT IS GENERALLY SEEN AS THE BEST POLL IN THE STATE. AND THE ONE THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S MOST IN TUNE WITH WHERE THE STATE IS AT. PEOPLE DO WAKE UP. IN FACT, IN WISCONSIN, THIS IS BIG NEWS, DAVE. DO YOU AGREE? WELL, WISCONSIN IS A PERPETUALLY CLOSED STATE, OBVIOUSLY, IT WAS WITHIN ABOUT 23,000 VOTES IN 2020. AND THE QUESTION IS, DOES TRUMP SEE THE SAME SURGE OF WHITE NON COLLEGE VOTERS THAT WAS UNDERREPRESENTED IN POLLS IN 2016 AND 2020. AND EVEN THOUGH WISCONSIN AND MICHIGAN LOOK LIKE HARRIS'S BEST STATES OF THE SEVEN IN THE CORE BATTLEGROUND. WISCONSIN IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE DICEY AND SHE'S GOING TO NEED A BIGGER SHOWING IN THE WOW COUNTIES TO OFFSET THE LIKELY TRUMP MARGIN IN WESTERN AND NORTHERN WISCONSIN. DAVE. THERE ARE STILL SO MANY VOTERS OUT THERE WHO ARE TELLING US AND TELLING POLLSTERS THAT THEY'RE UNDECIDED THAT THEY WANT TO SEE MORE FROM VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS. HOW DO YOU INTERPRET? WANTING TO SEE MORE? WHAT DOES MORE MEAN? WELL, YEAH, THERE ARE MORE VOTERS WHO WANT TO KNOW AND FIND OUT MORE ABOUT KAMALA HARRIS THAN DONALD TRUMP. HE'S BETTER. HE'S STILL BETTER TO FIND THAN SHE IS. UH, NIELSEN SAYS ABOUT 67 MILLION PEOPLE TUNED IN TO THE DEBATE, WHICH IS STILL LESS THAN HALF OF THE LIKELY ELECTORATE. WE'RE GOING TO SEE THIS FALL AND WE KNOW ABOUT THE ROUGHLY 7% WHO REMAIN UNDECIDED. THEY SKEW YOUNGER, A LITTLE BIT MORE DIVERSE AND A LITTLE BIT MORE FEMALE THAN THE ELECTORATE AS A WHOLE THAT SHOULD SUGGEST UPSIDE FOR KAMALA HARRIS. BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT THEY OVERWHELMINGLY DISAPPROVE OF THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION'S HANDLING OF THE ECONOMY. THEY DISLIKED TRUMP PERSONALLY, BUT THEY BELIEVE THAT HE DID A BETTER JOB MANAGING THE ECONOMY THAN SHE DID IN OUR LAST LATE AUGUST POLL. SHE WAS ONLY DOWN SIX WHEN IT CAME TO WHO WOULD DO A BETTER JOB OF REIGNING IN INFLATION. I'M VERY CURIOUS AFTER THIS DEBATE, WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO SHOW AS FAR AS WHETHER SHE'S CLOSED THE GAP ON THAT QUESTION. YOU'RE NODDING YOUR HEAD, JOHN. YEAH, LOOK, I MEAN, WE'RE EARLY IN THIS CAMPAIGN, THE DEBATE WAS REALLY THE START OF THE FALL CAMPAIGN. THERE'S SIMPLY NO QUESTION THAT IN LATE JULY AND AUGUST, WHAT KAMALA HARRIS DID WAS CLEAN UP THE MESS, RIGHT? TO GET THE DEMOCRATS BACK TO A POINT WHERE THEY WERE COMPETITIVE IN THE BATTLEGROUND STATES, MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE AHEAD IN SOME IN ORDER ALSO TO STOP THE EROSION OF SUPPORT IN SOME STATES THAT WEREN'T EVEN CONSIDERED BATTLEGROUNDS. HARRIS HAS DONE THAT. SO SHE IS NOW IN A VERY COMPETITIVE POSITION. WE'LL SEE THE PLAY OUT OF THE DEBATE. SHE MAY BE IN AN EVEN MORE COMPETITIVE POSITION. BUT WHAT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE AND WHAT WE SEE IN THIS, THIS WISCONSIN POLL BY MARQUETTE AGAIN, THE LAW SCHOOL THERE, WHICH DOES VERY, VERY GOOD POLLING. IT WAS, IS REAL MOVEMENT AND THIS ISN'T JUST MOVEMENT FROM WHERE BIDEN IS AT. THIS IS MOVEMENT FROM WHERE HARRIS WAS AT. IF SHE CONTINUES THIS, THEN YES, HER POSITION IN WISCONSIN IS GOING TO BE A STRONG ONE. NO, WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO SEE OVER THE COMING WEEKS. I KNOW DAVE SAID THAT 67 MILLION IS HALF THE ELECTORATE. YES, BUT IT'S STILL QUITE A FEW PEOPLE WHO GOT A CHANCE TO SEE HER THE MOST VIEWERSHIP IN AT LEAST 16 YEARS ACCORDING TO ABC NEWS. AND THAT WAS WHEN THE NUMBER WAS LIKE 57.5 MILLION. WHO KNOWS WHAT, WHAT THE NUMBER IS IN TERMS OF HISTORIC VIEWERSHIP AT 67 MILLION. I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. DAVE, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR AND AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE DEBATE BECAUSE THINGS CAN CHANGE. DO YOU SEE ANY MOVEMENT IN OTHER STATES THAT YOU THINK IS SIGNIFICANT? WELL, WE'VE ALREADY SEEN DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENT FOR HARRIS VERSUS BIDEN IN TWO STATES IN PARTICULAR, THAT'S NEVADA AND NORTH CAROLINA, GEORGIA WOULD BE A CLOSE THIRD. UH I THINK IT SPEAKS TO THE FACT SHE'S DOING DRAMATICALLY BETTER WITH HISPANIC VOTERS, ALTHOUGH SHE'S STILL NOT TO 2020 LEVELS. OF BIDEN HARRIS SUPPORT. UH AND THAT HAS, HAS SHIFTED THE DIAL A BIT IN NEVADA. SHE'S ALSO ENERGIZED BLACK VOTERS WHO ARE 20% OF THE ELECTORATE IN NORTH CAROLINA. AND I DO THINK THE GOVERNOR'S RACE IN NORTH CAROLINA, WHICH IS GOING REALLY BADLY FOR REPUBLICANS. THE DEMOCRAT, JOSH STEIN, THERE HAS OPENED UP A LEAD BY AIRING A LOT OF ADS FEATURING REPUBLICAN MARK ROBINSON IN HIS OWN VERY EXOTIC WORDS ON WOMEN AND, AND ABORTION. UH THAT MAY BE HAVING SOME BRAND IMPACT ON O ON THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WRIT LARGE AND THE RACE IS WITHIN A POINT OR TWO THERE. UH SO I, I STILL THINK THE, THE CLOSEST STATES THAT HAVE CONSISTENTLY BEEN TIED IN THE LAST MONTH ARE GEORGIA AND PENNSYLVANIA AND THEY'RE ALSO SOME OF THE BIGGEST ELECTORAL PRIZES.