'The Five': Are polls underestimating Trump and his support?

♪ ♪ >> Judge Jeanine: FOX NEWS ALERT, FORMER PRESIDENT FROM JUST TOOK THE STAGE IN ARIZONA AT HIS FIRST RALLY SINCE THE DEBATE. WE ARE KEEPING AN EYE ON THAT. IN THE MEANTIME COME UNDERESTIMATE TRUMP AT YOUR OWN PERIL. THE LIBERAL MEDIA SEEMS TO BE FORGETTING THE LESSONS OF 2016. AFTER FAWNING OVER KAMALA AFTER THE DEBATE COME ACTING LIKE THE FORMER PRESIDENT GOT HIT WITH A KNOCKOUT PUNCH, CHECK OUT THIS CLOWN'S REACTION. >> WHAT A SMACK DOWN. HARRIS RAN TRUMP OVER WITH A TRUCK. IT WAS FUN. I'M STILL GIDDY THINKING ABOUT IT. SHE TORE OUT YOUR HEART, SHOWED IT TO YOU WHILE IT WAS STILL BEATING, THEN ATE IT ON NATIONAL TELEVISION. [CHEERS AND APPLAUSE] AND... AND NOW SHE WOULD LIKE SECONDS. >> Judge Jeanine: BUT "POLITICO" IS TRYING TO WARN THEM ABOUT THE "DANGER" OF UNDERESTIMATING DONALD TRUMP. AND HOW THE POLLS ALWAYS UNDERESTIMATE THE STRENGTH OF TRUMP'S SUPPORT. AND WHILE THE ELITE PUNDITS SAY KAMALA WON THE DEBATE, SWING STATE VOTERS IN MICHIGAN AND PENNSYLVANIA SAY IT ISN'T ENOUGH. WATCH THIS. >> I DID VOTE FOR HILLARY AND I CRIED WHEN SHE DID NOT WIN. >> OKAY, THEN WHAT HAPPENED? >> THAT I FELT LIKE HE DID A GOOD JOB. I LIKED THE FACT THAT HE WAS NOT A POLITICIAN. >> I TALKED 20 VOTERS, NOT ONE OF THEM WAS UNDECIDED. >> WOW. >> NOT ONE. HEADLINES COME AND GO BUT LET ME TELL YOU THIS: SUPPORT FOR FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP IS REAL AND RESILIENT. I ENCOUNTER THAT EVERYWHERE I WENT. >> AND FACTS COME TO FACT, MY LIFE WAS BETTER THAN TRUMP WAS IN OFFICE, THE ECONOMY WAS HIGHER, INFLATION WAS LOWER. >> Judge Jeanine: ALL RIGHT, DANA, DID THE MEDIA NOT LEARNED FROM 2016 NOT TO JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS WHEN IT COMES TO DONALD TRUMP? >> Dana: YOU MEAN WHEN THEY HAD TO GO OUT, GOT ASSIGNED TO GO OUT IN AMERICA AND TO ACTUAL REPORTING TO FIND OUT WOW, HOW DID WE MISS THIS? THEY ALMOST DID IT AGAIN IN 2020. YES, I THINK THEY DO -- I AM CURIOUS ABOUT ONE THING, JESSICA MIGHT KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT THE POLLSTERS DEFINITELY UNDERESTIMATED HIM OR DIDN'T GET ENOUGH PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY BE WILLING TO ANSWER THE PHONE AND TO SAY THEIR TRUTH ABOUT WHO THEY WERE VOTING FOR SO THAT HAPPENED IN 2016. A LITTLE BIT IN 2020. I DON'T KNOW THAT IS HAPPENING NOW, IT COULD BE, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY FACTORED THAT IN SO MAYBE IT IS MORE REAL NOW. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE. I SPOKE TODAY TO THE REPUBLICAN SENATE CANDIDATE IN WISCONSIN, ERIC HOVDE E. HE BELIEVES THE KAMALA HARRIS SWITCHEROO WITH BIDEN GAVE KAMALA HARRIS A LITTLE BIT OF A BUMP IN WISCONSIN FOR JUST A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AND IT IS NOT LASTING. HE REALLY THINKS THEY ARE UNDERESTIMATING NOT ONLY TRUMP BUT ALSO HIS SUPPORT, SO I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE BUT I APPRECIATED MAJOR GARRETT AND OTHER REPORTERS WHO HAVE GONE OUTSIDE THE BELTWAY AND OUTSIDE OF THE CORRIDOR FROM NEW YORK TO WASHINGTON, D.C., AND GO OUT AND ACTUALLY TALK TO PEOPLE. I THINK WHAT HE SAID IS SOMETHING REALLY INTERESTING. HE SAID TALKED 20 PEOPLE, THEY ARE NOT UNDECIDED. I DON'T THINK THERE ARE THAT MANY UNDECIDEDS. I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE UNWILLING TO STATE OR MAYBE UNDECIDED ON WHETHER TO VOTE, NOT WHO TO VOTE FOR. >> Judge Jeanine: YOU KNOW, JESSE, ISN'T IT INTERESTING, TALKING ABOUT MAJOR GARRETT, HOW YOU'VE GOT THE FANTASY MEDIA LIKE THIS IS IT, TOOK HIS HEART OUT IN ALL THIS OTHER STUFF, AND YET MAJOR GARRETT GOES OUT AND HE TALKS TO PEOPLE AND HE SAYS, YOU KNOW, THAT TRUMP'S SUPPORT BASICALLY IS ETCHED IN STONE. >> Jesse: ONE GUY IS A COMEDIAN AND THE OTHER IS A REPORTER, IT'S LIKE ME AND GREG, YOU KNOW. [LAUGHTER] ONE GUY KNOWS SOMETHING ON THE OTHER IS JUST TIME TO BE FUNNY. I AM PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT DONALD TRUMP IS GOING TO WIN THIS ELECTION. AND WHEN I LOSE MY CONFIDENCE, I WILL TELL YOU. I WILL SAY IT'S OFFICIAL, I'M NERVOUS. AND I'M NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THAT. YOU CAN BELIEVE I WILL TELL YOU I'M NERVOUS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN NERVOUS BEFORE AND I'VE SHARED THOSE NERVES. BUT I FEEL GREAT ABOUT THIS ELECTION. THE LAST DEBATE WAS A KNOCKOUT, SO I THINK PEOPLE THOUGHT TRUMP COULD JUST KNOCK THIS WOMAN OUT AGAIN AND BE LIKE OKAY, OFF TO THE RACES. HE DIDN'T. THERE WAS NO KNOCKOUT, SO OKAY, IT'S GOING TO BE COMPETITIVE. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK FOR IT. BUT THE FUNDAMENTALS ARE STILL IN OUR FAVOR. EVERYTHING WILL BATTLEGROUND IS EITHER TIED OR HE IS UP .5 OR SHE IS UP .5, BUT IF YOU GO IN TIED WITH DONALD TRUMP, HE'S GOING TO WIN, AND THEY KNOW THAT. AND ANYBODY SMART THAT KNOWS THAT, TOO. I'M A LITTLE ANNOYED NOW THAT THEY HAVE MORE OFFICES IN WISCONSIN. THIS IS NEW INFORMATION. >> Jessica: IT'S NOT NEW INFORMATION TO PEOPLE PAYING ATTENTION. >> Jesse: OKAY, WELL, I'M NOT IN THE BATTLEGROUND STATES, JESSICA. IF I WAS, I WOULD BE DOING A LOT BETTER JOB THAN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN. THEY HAD TO SPEND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON LAWYERS BECAUSE YOU GUYS WERE ARRESTING HIM AND PROSECUTING HIM ON B.S. CHARGES. IF THAT MONEY WAS BETTER SPENT, THEN THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE A 49-STATE LANDSLIDE VICTORY, WHICH I'M NOT PREDICTING. AT ALL. BECAUSE I LEARNED MY LESSON WITH THE RED WAVE. >> Judge Jeanine: I KNEW IT. I KNEW IT. JESSICA, KAMALA'S NUMBERS NOW ARE LOWER THAN HILLARY'S WERE IN 2016. AND LOWER THAN BIDEN'S WERE IN 2020. AND YOU STILL THINK, YOU KNOW -- >> Jessica: THAT WE ARE UNDERDOGS BUT WE COULD WIN? SURE. WE ARE UNDERDOGS THAT COULD WIN. TO JESSE'S POINT ABOUT THE LAWFARE, I DON'T THINK THAT THE VOTERS ARE HAPPY THAT DONALD TRUMP IS USING THEIR CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS TO FUND HIS LEGAL TEAM. >> Judge Jeanine: I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. THE VOTERS RECOGNIZE IT AS THE WEAPONIZATION OF MERRICK GARLAND. >> Jessica: ALL THE GRAND JURIES WE WHIZZED UP. >> Judge Jeanine: I KNOW GRAND JURIES. >> Jessica: I KNOW CAN CHERRIES. I HAVE DATED GRAND JURIES. WE ARE NOT UNDERESTIMATING ANYTHING. IT IS THE SAME THING AND I DON'T THINK YOU CAN SEE ANY EVIDENCE OF IT AND HOW WE ARE APPROACHING THE MECHANICS OF THE ELECTION OR EVEN HOW CAUTIOUS KAMALA HARRIS IS BEING. IF SHE THOUGHT THIS WAS A SLAM-DUNK SITUATION, SHE'D BE GOING ABSOLUTELY EVERYWHERE AND LAUGHING AT EVERYONE'S FACE AND SAYING OH, YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR THAT BUFFOON? THAT GUY WHO SAYS I HAVE CONCEPTS OF PLANS? THAT GUY WHO GETS SO MAD BECAUSE SHE MENTIONED PEOPLE LEAVING HIS RALLIES, THAT HE SPENT THE NEXT HOUR AND 15 MINUTES WITH SMOKE COMING OUT OF HIS HEAD. THAT IS WHAT SHE WOULD BE DOING IF WE WERE ARROGANT ABOUT THIS. NOTHING IS BEING TAKEN FOR GRANTED. AND TO THE POINT ABOUT THE MICHIGAN UNDECIDED VOTERS OR THE LACK OF UNDECIDED VOTERS, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF FOCUS GROUPS AFTER THE DEBATE, "WASHINGTON POST" HAD 24 PEOPLE, 22 OF THEM SAID KAMALA HARRIS WAS THE ONE WHO WON THE DEBATE. CNN HAD SIMILAR MARGINS, AND WE HAD A SNAP POLL FROM CNN AND A SNAP POLL FROM FOX WITH HUGE MARGINS FOR HER WINNING. DOES THAT TRANSLATE TO KAMALA HARRIS IS GOING TO BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT? I DON'T KNOW. BUT IT MEANS SHE HAD A VERY GOOD NIGHT. >> Judge Jeanine: GO AHEAD, GREG, WRAP IT UP. >> Greg: IT'S TOTALLY UNDERSTANDABLE THAT COLBERT WOULD BE FOUND ROLLING. THEY WENT FROM A CORPSE TO A CACKLER. IT'S A RELIEF YOUR THEY MIGHT HAVE A CHANCE. BUT POLITICS ISN'T REAL LIFE. IF THIS WAS REAL LIFE THEY WOULD BE EMBARRASSED. IF THE OTHER PLAYERS ARE HITTING BALLS FROM THE PICTURE AND YOURS IS HITTING IT FROM 18, I WOULDN'T BE BRAGGING. THERE WAS AN OLD PHRASE AMONG THE RIGHT, FAX DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS COME FROM THE LEFT'S PERSPECTIVE ABOUT TRUMP, YOUR FEELINGS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FACTS. I FEEL THAT TRUMP IS MEAN. HE'S ARROGANT. HE'S BOORISH. I DON'T CARE THAT THERE WAS A BETTER ECONOMY, THERE WAS NO UNEMPLOYMENT, WE HAD LOWER CRIME, THEY HAD A CLOSED BORDER, MY FEELINGS. WHEN YOU LISTEN TO THAT WOMAN SPEAK, SHE WAS TALKING FACTS. I DON'T THINK THE FEELINGS OR FACTS THING WORKS WITH THE UNDERSIDE OF PEOPLE ANYMORE. THEY ARE UNDECIDED BECAUSE MAYBE THEY WERE LIBERAL AND THINGS AREN'T GOING WELL FOR THEM. AT LAST YOU SAY TRUMP SMOKE COMING OUT OF HIS HEAD. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TRUMP AT THE KAMALA DEBATE OR BIDEN. I WENT AND LOOKED AT DIFFERENT ONES, DIFFERENT SCENES. HIS TONE, HIS EXPRESSION, HIS COMMAND, HIS INSISTENT TONE, ALL THE SAME. IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT TRUMP AT ALL, IT'S ABOUT SHE WAS NOT JOE. SO HE PERHAPS SHOULD HAVE ADJUSTED TO HER. BUT THE BENEFIT AND FLOG TRUMP IS HE TREATS EVERYBODY THE SAME. HE DOESN'T SEE KAMALA AS, YOU KNOW, AN AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMAN OR TRUMP AS AN OLD WHITE MALE. HE JUST SEES THEM AS THE COMPETITION, AND HE DOESN'T MODULATE. MAYBE HE SHOULD, BUT THEN THAT WOULDN'T MAKE THEM TRUMP APPEARED. >> Jessica: SHE IS