'The Five' reacts to the first Trump-Harris debate

>> Neil: BACK AT HER. ♪ ♪ >> Dana: HELLO, EVERYONE. I'M DANA PERINO ALONG WITH JUDGE JEANINE JR., HAROLD FORD JR., JESSE WATTERS, AND GREG GUTFELD. IT'S 5:00 IN NEW YORK CITY, AND THIS IS "THE FIVE." ♪ ♪ WELL, APPARENTLY, GREG, IT WAS A SHOWDOWN FOR THE AGES. DONALD TRUMP MET KAMALA HARRIS, SQUARING OFF FOR THEIR FIRST DEBATE, THE NIGHT STARTING OUT WITH A HANDSHAKE THAT QUICKLY DARTED A MAKERS. >> SHE DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN, SHE COPIED BIDEN'S PLAN AND IT IS LIKE FOR SENTENCES, LIKE RUN SPOT RUN P OR G IS GOING TO MY PHILOSOPHY. I WAS GOING TO SEND HER A MAGA HAT. >> IN THE COURSE OF HIS RALLIES HE TALKS ABOUT FICTIONAL CHARACTERS LIKE HANNIBAL LECTOR. HE WILL TALK ABOUT WINDMILLS CAUSE CANCER. AND WHAT YOU WILL ALSO NOTICE IS PEOPLE START LEAVING HIS RALLIES EARLY OUT OF EXHAUSTION AND BOREDOM. >> I'M TALKING NOW. IF YOU DON'T MIND. PLEASE. DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR? >> DONALD TRUMP WAS FIRED BY 81 MILLION PEOPLE. WHAT YOU THINK IS A FRIENDSHIP WITH WHAT IS KNOWN TO BE A DICTATOR, WHO WOULD EAT YOU FOR LUNCH. >> QUIET, PLEASE. SHE IS GOING TO DO ALL OF THESE WONDERFUL THINGS. WHY HASN'T SHE DONE IT? SHE HAS BEEN THERE FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS. >> Dana: BUT THE BIG CONTROVERSY OF THE NIGHT WASN'T THE CANDIDATES. ABC MODERATORS DAVID MURE AND LINSEY DAVIS GETTING CALLED OUT AFTER AGGRESSIVELY FACT-CHECKING TRUMP FIVE TIMES BUT ZERO TIMES FOR HARRIS. >> THERE IS NO STATE IN THIS COUNTRY WHERE IT IS LEGAL TO KILL A BABY AFTER IT IS BORN. >> PRESENT FROM COME AS YOU KNOW THE FBI SAYS OVERALL VIOLENT CRIME IS ATCHLEY COMING DOWN IN THIS COUNTRY COME I DID WATCH ALL OF THESE PEOPLE KNOW LIKE PIECES OF VIDEO, I DIDN'T DETECT THE SARCASM, THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT U.S. PRESIDENT, NOT FORMER SPEAKER PELOSI. >> Dana: AND HERE ARE THE QUESTIONABLE HARRIS STATEMENTS THEY LET GO. >> THE DETAILED AND DANGEROUS PLAN CALLED PROJECT 2025 THAT THE FORMER PRESIDENT INTENDS ON IMPLEMENTING. WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT THEN AT THE TIME SAY? THERE WERE FIND PEOPLE ON EACH SIDE. DONALD TRUMP, THE CANDIDATE, HAS SAID IN THIS ELECTION THERE WILL BE A BLOODBATH. IF THIS AND THE OUTCOME OF THIS ELECTION IS NOT TO HIS LIKING. >> Dana: MEANWHILE THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN WANTS A SECOND DEBATE. DONALD TRUMP SAID HE IS MULLING IT OVER. >> WELL, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DON'T WIN, IT'S LIKE A FIGHTER. WHEN A FIGHTER GETS KNOCKED OUT OR LOSES THE FIGHT, THE FIRST THING HE SAYS IS WE WANT A REMATCH. SO WE WON THE DEBATE ACCORDING TO EVERY POLL, EVERY SINGLE POLL. ARE WE GOING TO DO A REMATCH? I JUST DON'T KNOW. BUT WE WILL THINK ABOUT IT. >> Dana: GREG, THERE HAVE BEEN BIG ELECTORAL SHIFTS, SEISMIC THINGS HAPPENING IN THIS CAMPAIGN. JOE BIDEN'S DEBATE, TRUMP ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT ON HIS LIFE, JOE BIDEN DROPPING OUTCOME AND THE RACE BASICALLY REMAINS TIED, AND IT PROBABLY WILL BE AFTER THIS DEBATE, AS WELL, BUT WHAT DID YOU THINK ABOUT LAST NIGHT? SPEEDER I DON'T KNOW WHO WON BUT I KNOW WHO LOST, IT WAS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. IF YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT THE REFS, YOU ARE LOSING. WITH THE REFS ARE CORRUPT, YOU'VE GOT TO COMPLAIN, BECAUSE EVERYBODY LOST. I ACTUALLY GOT DUMBER WATCHING IT. I FELT LIKE MY BRAIN WAS BEING WATERBOARDED BY THE SHEER NONSENSE OF THESE IDIOT MODERATORS, BUT WE WERE SO SIDETRACKED BY THE MECHANICS OF THE DEBATE, THE MUTED MICS, THAT WE FORGOT ABOUT THEM. I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW HOW ANYONE COULD DECIDE WHO WON THE DEBATE. THAT IS LIKE TRYING TO GUESS THE PRICE OF A PAINTING THAT YOU SUSPECT IS A FORGERY. YOU CAN'T OBJECTIVELY DECIDE A WINNER IN A SHAM COMPETITION. THIS IS TRULY THE FIRST DEI DEBATE, WHERE ONE CANDIDATE WAS SUBJECTED TO A HIGH STANDARD, AND THE OTHER WAS HELD TO NO STANDARDS AT ALL. THEY REMOVED THE ESSENCE OF FAIRNESS TO ACHIEVE THAT OUTCOME THAT COULD NOT BE SCORED. YOU CANNOT SCORE THAT. THAT IS WHY YOU CAN'T SAY WHO WON OR WHO LOST. A LIBERAL SHOULD BE ASHAMED THAT YOUR CANDIDATE NEEDED THE ODDS TO BE STOCKED SO HEAVILY IN THEIR FAVOR. YOU KNOW, FOR MANY AMERICANS, HARRIS ENTERED AS A MYSTERY AND EXITED AS A MYSTERY, AND THAT WAS THE GOAL, TO KEEP HER UNDER WRAPS, SO ANYONE WHO ATTRIBUTES THAT TO KAMALA'S SKILL IS AN 88. CONGRATULATING KAMALA FOR THE DEBATE IS STOLEN VALOR. YOU SHOULD BE CONGRATULATING DAVID MUIR AND LINSEY DAVIS WHO DID THE HEAVY LIFTING, AND CALLING THAT A DEBATE IS DISINFORMATION. THAT'S LIKE ME GOING INTO A BAR WITH TYRUS AND INCITING A BRAWL AND THEN LATER TAKING CREDIT FOR ALL THE BROKEN JAWS. YOU KNOW, IT'S -- IT'S JUST -- BY THE WAY, OH, HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT IT IS A SHAM? KAMALA CONFIDENTLY AND CASUALLY UNLOADED ALL THE HOAXES. THE "FINE PEOPLE" HOAX PEERED THE BLOODBATH. PROJECT 2025, THE ABORTION BAN. THESE THINGS HAVE ALL BEEN DEBUNKED. WOULD SHE HAVE DONE THAT KNOWING THERE WOULD BE CONSEQUENCES? SHE DID THAT KNOWING THERE WOULD BE NO CONSEQUENCES, NO FOLLOW-UPS AT ALL. THIS WAS ACTUALLY A BETRAYAL OF KNOWLEDGE, KNOWLEDGE BEING THE ACT OF SOLVING A PROBLEM. WE HAD AGREED TO WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS. WHO IS KAMALA? THE DEBATE DELIBERATELY CHOSE THE OPPOSITE PATH. INSTEAD OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO GAIN A KNOWLEDGE, THEY CHOSE TO COVER IT UP AND BETRAY THE PUBLIC. I WENT BY THE STUPID ASSUMPTION THAT MAY BE THEY WOULD ASK KAMALA SOME REAL QUESTIONS AND FOLLOW-UPS. I WAS TRICKED. I'M LIKE THE PERSON WHO FOOLISHLY ASSUMES A PARTNER WHO CHEATED ON HIM WOULD NOT CHEAT AGAIN, BUT THE MEDIA ALWAYS CHEATS AGAIN, AND WE HAVE TO REMIND OURSELVES, THEY HAVE THEIR INTERESTS BEFORE YOUR INTERESTS. >> Dana: I WAS TALKING TO A FRIEND TODAY WHO REMINDED ME OF THE PHRASE, FRED ASTAIRE, GINGER ROGERS HAD TO DO EVERYTHING BACKWARDS AND IN HEELS, THAT'S REPUBLICANS. >> Greg: EXACTLY. DON'T I KNOW IT. [LAUGHTER] >> Dana: WEARING THOSE HEELS -- >> Greg: AND BACKWARDS, I'M TELLING YOU. >> Dana: I'M TELLING YOU. HAROLD FORD JR. DO YOU DISAGREE? >> Harold: YEAH, I HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT OPINION. I THINK A COUPLE OF THINGS BIDGOOD TO BE BACK AROUND THE TABLE TO EVERYBODY, FIRST OFF. WHAT I SAW LAST NIGHT WAS TO CANDIDATES EACH HAD TO DO -- PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD TO DO ONE BIG THING. HE HAD TO STAY DISCIPLINED ON THE ISSUES. AND I THINK HE HAD A NUMBER OF THINGS TO TALK ABOUT, FROM BORDER SECURITY TO TARIFFS. I THOUGHT ONE OF HIS MORE EFFECTIVE MOMENTS -- BECAUSE IT WAS UNEVEN PERFORMANCE. I THINK IT WAS AN UNEVEN PERFORMANCE SKEWING TOWARDS NOT A GOOD PERFORMANCE ON HIS PART. VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS TALKED ABOUT TARIFFS. AND THEN HE SAID TO HER, YOU KEPT MY TARIFFS. AND HE DIDN'T COME BACK TO HATE. IT AMAZES ME THE LACK OF PREPARATION ON HIS PART. I THOUGHT WHEN JOE BIDEN, HIS TEAM WAS UNORGANIZED AND UNPREPARED. DONALD TRUMP STRUCK ME THAT WAY, TOO. I WAS ON WITH HARRIS FAULKNER YESTERDAY ON BRET'S SHOW IN ONE OF THE THINGS SHE WILL LOOK FOR THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE DEBATE WAS WHO TOOK THE HIGH ROAD. I THOUGHT WHEN SHE SHOOK HIS HAND, AND SAID HER NAME, I THOUGHT THOSE OF US WHO FOLLOW THIS CLOSELY, IT WAS SOMETHING WE WATCH, BUT I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE LIKE THAT DECORUM THAT IT WAS A GOOD THING FOR HER TO DO. HE JUST MISSED OPPORTUNITIES. IT'S A MOST LIKE IF YOU GO, YOU PLAY THE KANSAS CITY CHIEFS, AND YOU COMPLAIN AT THE END OF THE GAME. THEY HAD PATRICK MAHOMES, OF COURSE THEY HAD PATRICK MAHOMES, YOU HAVE TO BUILD A DEFENSE AROUND HIM PEERED. >> Greg: YOU HAVE THE REFS. >> Harold: I TELL MY KIDS, WHEN YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE REFS IN A GAME -- >> Greg: YOU ARE LOSING, I SAID THAT PEERED. >> Harold: YOU ARE LETTING YOUR TEAM DOWN. IF EVERYBODY BELIEVES COME IN JESSE AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST NIGHT, THERE IS A BELIEF AND SOME TRUTH TO IT THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS TO GO UP AGAINST THE MEDIA IN WAYS THAT CERTAIN CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT HAVE NEVER HAD TO DO PURE KNOWING THAT, YOU PREPARE FOR THAT. AND HE SEEMS TO BE JUST SKILLFULLY UNPREPARED PURE HE TOOK EVERY BAIT, EVERY PUMP FAKE, IT WAS LIKE A GREAT BASKETBALL PLAYER GETTING A FOUL TROUBLE THE FIRST 8 MINUTES OF THE GAME BECAUSE THEY KEEP COMMITTING STUPID FOULS. HE DID THAT A LOT AND HE MAKES THE POINT THAT HE DOESN'T -- YOU WANT A SECOND DEBATE, THAT MEANS YOU ARE LOSING PURE LOOK, THIS RACE IS SUPERTIGHT. 24 YEARS IN A ROW YOU HAVE SUPERTIGHT PRESIDENTIAL RACES. NOTHING ANYTHING MOVED BUT THE QUESTION IS HOW MANY NEW VOTERS MIGHT HAVE BEEN INVITED TO VOTE? SHE ACHIEVED ONE GOAL. SHE CONVEYED SERIOUSNESS AND CALMNESS PURE CHI DON'T TALK ABOUT ANY ISSUES. SHE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE SWITCHING OF POSITIONS ON ISSUES. HOPEFULLY AT SOME POINT THE COUNTRY DESERVES TO HEAR, I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT POINT, GREG. THE COUNTRY DESERVES TO HEAR WHY SHE MOVED ON BORDER SECURITY, HOW SHE HAS MOVED ON THE ECONOMY, AND WHERE SHE DIFFERS WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN. HOPEFULLY WE GET A SECOND DEBATE. >> Dana: HERALD, THAT WAS A LOT OF SPORTS METAPHORS IN ONE ANSWER PEERED I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THE PUMP FAKE. JUDGE, THE BIGGEST ISSUE FOR THE AMERICANS AS THE ECONOMY, AND IN SOME ASSESSMENTS, THE ISSUE HE DID BEST ON, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS, SO IF PEOPLE ONLY WATCH THOSE FIRST 2D AWAY WITH THAT. >> Judge Jeanine: YEAH, SHE WAS ACTUALLY ASKED HIM IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THE FIRST QUESTION, ARE WE BETTER OFF NOW THAN WE WERE? AND SHE STARTED ALL OF THIS ASPIRATIONAL, INSPIRATIONAL, AMBITIONS AND THIS AND THAT. SHE DIDN'T ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I CAME AWAY FROM THIS SAYING TO MYSELF, 30% OF AMERICANS DON'T KNOW WHERE KAMALA HARRIS STANDS FOR, AND THEY STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE STANDS FOR. BUT WHAT I CAME AWAY WITH, AND I AGREE WITH GREG, THE VOTERS LOST LAST NIGHT. THE VOTERS LOST FOR SEVERAL REASONS. THIS SEGMENT IS ABOUT THE LEGACY MEDIA. TO ME, ABC DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THE TRUTH. THEY WERE PUSHING LIBELOUS QUESTIONS. THE QUESTIONS WERE LIKE A PUSH POLL, LIKE YOU CALL SOMEONE UP ALLEGEDLY TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT PEOPLE ARE THINKING. ISN'T IT TRUE THAT THE ROOSTER KILLED THE DUCK OR WHATEVER. THE PERSON I'M OF COURSE, IT IS TRUE. THEY WOULD ACTUALLY GO TO CHARLOTTESVILLE AND ASK THAT QUESTION, AS THOUGH THAT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN DEBUNKED. AND SHE NEVER HAD TO ANSWER ANYTHING. AND THE MAJOR NETWORKS SANCTIONED THESE LIES AS IF THEY WERE TRUE. AND THAT IS HOW THE MAJOR, THE NETWORK AND THE LEGACY MEDIA PUT THE FINAL NAIL IN THE COFFIN. DONALD TRUMP TOLD US ABOUT FAKE NEWS. LAST NIGHT WAS THE END OF THE LEGACY MEDIA. AND IF I WERE EVER TO DO A DEBATE AGAIN, I WOULD NOT DO IT ON THE LEGACY MEDIA. WE WERE FULL BY CNN. CNN JUST KIND OF SAT THERE. BUT YOU KNOW WHY? YOU KNOW WHY IT WAS LEVEL WITH CNN? BECAUSE CNN WAS COMPLICIT WITH THE DEMS. THEY WANT TO JOE BIDEN OUT, SO IT WAS A FAIR DEBATE. THIS WAS, WE GOT TO TAKE KAMALA'S SIDE APPEARED WE'VE GOT TO MAKE LIKE JANUARY 6TH, EVERY TIME SHE LIED, THEY WOULD NOT FACT-CHECK HER. SHE SAYS 140 POLICE OFFICERS WERE INJURED AND SOME DIED ON JANUARY 6TH P OR WHAT POLICE OFFICER DIED ON JANUARY 6TH? ASHLI BABBITT DIED ON JANUARY 6TH. AND THEN THEY GO ON AND ON AND ON. THIRD TERM ABORTION. SHE WOULDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION. THEY DIDN'T PUSH FOR AN ANSWER. AND I GOT TO SAY ONE MORE THING. WHO THE HELL DO THEY THINK THEY ARE FACT-CHECKING? WHEN DAVID MIRROR SAYS, WELL, I DIDN'T GET THAT, WHAT WAS IT, THE IMPRESSION ON THE WHISKER, WON BY A WHISKER, WHAT WAS THAT TERM HE USED? I DIDN'T INTERPRET IT THAT WAY. WE'RE NOT ASKING YOU FOR YOUR INTERPRETATION OF WHAT DONALD TRUMP SAID. AND FINALLY, ABC NEWS CLAIMED THAT TRUMP WAS WRONG WHEN TRUMP SAID CRIME IS GOING UP. THEY SAID NO, CRIME IS GOING DOWN. THEY ARE WRONG. THEY LIED. AND I WILL TELL YOU WHY. BECAUSE THE FBI HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT 30% OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS INCLUDING NEW YORK CITY AND LOS ANGELES DID NOT RESPOND TO THEIR REQUEST ABOUT CRIME. I HAVE THE STAT RIGHT HERE. SO THEY PUSHED LIES, DEFAMED THE PRESIDENT TO PUSH KAMALA WHO ANSWERED NO QUESTION AND WAS THE QUEEN OF THEATRICS. >> Dana: GO JESSE GO. >> Jesse: RUN SPOT RUN. >> Dana: MY FAVORITE LINE OF THE NIGHT. THE FIRST LAUGH P OR MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE ONLY LAUGH. >> Jesse: OF DUAL COME I SAID ABDUL, IF THERE IS A PROBLEM. >> Jesse: TRUMP WASN'T PERFECT BUT KAMALA DIDN'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT, TRUMP WAS EMOTIONAL AND UNDISCIPLINED, BUT STILL DELIVERED POWERFUL MESSAGES ON THE CORE ISSUES THAT VOTERS CARE ABOUT. KAMALA HARRIS WAS VERY WELL-PREPARED. SHE WAS VERY COMPOSED. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE VOTERS HAD NO IDEA WHAT HER POLICIES ARE. SO HER WHOLE STRATEGY WAS TO DISTRACT BY MOCKING DONALD TRUMP SO SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT HER RECORD OR HER POLICIES. SHE WASTED A HUGE MOMENT, TO BE ABLE TO TELL 67 MILLION PEOPLE WHAT SHE STANDS FOR. ALL SHE DID WAS SAY DON'T VOTE FOR TRUMP INSTEAD OF VOTE FOR ME. THE MEDIA LOVED IT BECAUSE THEY LIKE WATCHING TRUMP GET TEASED BUT IF YOU ARE AN UNDECIDED VOTER, HOW DID KAMALA HARRIS EXPLAIN WHAT SHE IS GOING TO DO TO HELP YOU GET A HOUSE OR HELP YOU SECURE THE BORDER? SHE DIDN'T DO IT. TRUMP MISSED A HUGE OPPORTUNITY TO DEFINE HER. HE SAID IT A FEW TIMES BUT COULD HAVE BEEN A LOT MORE PRECISE AND BEAT THAT DRUM HARDER. HE DID TIRE TO BIDEN, MY FAVORITE LINE, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WAKE JOE BIDEN UP AND GET HIM TO CLOSE THE BORDER, THAT'S ALL HE NEEDED TO DO. THE SIGNATURE MOMENTS THAT YOU SEE ON THE INTERNET AFTER THIS, SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANY. SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANY. TRUMP HAD THEM ALL. THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO REVERBERATE PURE CHI WHIFFED AT THE FIRST QUESTION. AND TEMPERAMENTALLY, I FOUND HER EVASIVE, I FOUND HER UNLIKABLE. PREACHY. AND INSTINCTUALLY I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO PLAY WITH MEN BECAUSE MEN ARE PREDOMINANTLY THE UNDECIDED VOTERS. >> Dana: WHAT I LOVED ABOUT TODAY WAS THEY ALL GOT TOGETHER AT 9/11. ONLY IN AMERICA CAN YOU HAVE A BIG KNOCK-DOWN, DRAG-OUT FIGHT THE NIGHT BEFORE AND THEN GE