The Most Disrespected Big Ten Basketball Teams

uh there we go the most disrespected program in the Big 10 so we could take this a couple different ways here Ken we could take this just for like this season we could say like the most disrespected program overall in the history whatever Direction you want to take it I kind of took it this year just like who's being disrespected right now kind of in the power rankings and the odds stuff like that so uh my thought process was we'll let you do one I'll do one and we'll just kind of keep going until we run out there how's that sound that sounds fun for me all right go ahead so I I actually did that the same thing that you were thinking I was kind of going off of this year and you know the best way for me to do it because there's a lot of people that put out Power Rankings and say like this is the best team or these are the best teams and this is how it's ranked right now so I feel like the only fair way to do it is kind of look at at what the odds are for each team to win the Big 10 like as of right now so I kind of did it three different ways I took a team that I thought was at the top of the Big 10 that's too low on those odds and then like a middle team and then a lower team so the first team that I would talk about that I think is going to be near the top that's going to be a top five team this year and the odds are not indicating that right now is Illinois I think that they have a built a roster this year that is going to be able to compete immediately I think that Brad Underwood is a good enough coach I don't think he's the best coach when it comes to basketball I think he's a fantastic recruiter and I think he does a good job running his program but um I think he's good enough at coaching basketball that he's going to have his team near the top and if you look at the odds right now they're plus 1,000 still I know we're not talking about betting primarily but that's pretty low for a team that I think could potentially win the entire conference this year I put them right up in the category with UCLA Purdue and Indiana and all of those teams as far as odds and even in people's Power Rankings get a lot of respect for this upcoming year rightfully so they should but Illinois I have right there in that top four mix and they're not getting that same respect so I would say that for this upcoming season the top team that you have to mention is Illinois yeah I actually had Illinois on my list as well I just feel like because of the transfers this year they're getting a little disrespected when I look at some of the power rankings by Isaac trod and some of the other kind of big 10 uh beat Riders and stuff out there not so much like the smaller ones not to disrespect them but you know when you think of disrespected you kind of think of the largest national people writing about them and so um yeah I thought of Illinois as well I saw them all the way down at 12th on one list I was like that is just way too low for Illinois I know they're bringing in a lot of transfers but they went out and got some other players out of um uh out of Europe as well and I think that that's going to be beneficial for him Ty Rogers is coming back it's not like you can't say nobody is there from last year now granted Ty Rogers was not the largest contributor last year however he is going to help with that culture that Brad Underwood was able to establish much better I think two years ago the culture was was lacking I don't think anybody can argue that you literally had Matthew uh what's his last name was it Barry Perry something um the the dude that drank all the monsters like that was just not a great culture uh going on over there but uh I mean credit to Brad Underwood he corrected it last year and uh that's that's one of the reasons why they got to the elite a and honestly they were probably a final four team they just ran into the best team in college basketball last year yeah and and when you look at transfer success at least what's happened so far like in the last couple of years you want to look at who's going to have their ball who's going to have the ball in their hand the most and I think that for Illinois to go get a guy like kylin Boswell and someone that has experience the experience that he has um I think that that's going to bode really well for them it's not like that guy's just coming in and he has no clue what's going on I think that uh he'll be able to immediately make a change uh not and he doesn't even really have to make a change for Illinois culture I mean they went to the Elite 8 last year so it's not like you know he's got to go fix their program or anything he's just got to be a guy that can control the pace of the game and uh get the ball to the right people's hands at the right time and I think that he will be able to do that so you know and again it just goes back to what I just said at the beginning of this whole statement transfer success especially with guards is very important and I think that getting kylin is a is a big deal for them a bigger deal than people are making it yeah no for sure I think kylin was a great pick up for Brad uh and the rest of that team in the transfer portal um Dylan is here he says I miss bro casual I don't think Kent would uh would wear that dress up again if I paid him to I came up here to record it and actually all the stuff was still right here and I was like oh man I didn't even take care of that last night uh Dylan was uh dming in the Xbox Dynasty message thing that we have and saying that he likes bro casual better because I was talking junk to him about not winning this week yeah he even though I don't know if he won or not I wasn't really paying attention I was just talking junk uh and Philip says Kent is going to say Northwestern is being disrespected because of Collins and Brooke well or Brooks well um I actually was going to say Collins next for me uh with Northwestern and I was like I'm going to actually wait to say this and give Kent the chance but seriously like North Western to me is being disrespected this year I think they bring back more than people are giving them credit for they bring back Martinelli and Nicholson Ty Barry coming injury um Brooks barnheiser obviously like yeah they're not bringing back um booooy so that sucks but at the end of the day like they still have some really nice pieces there I do question who is going to be kind of that Alpa of the team that's going to come in at the last minute and make the play I think Ty Barry has it in him but we'll have to see but I mean where I've been seeing Northwestern I've been seeing Northwestern down at like 16117 in some Power Rankings I'm like guys they are not going to be that bad like Nebraska USC and Washington exist like yeah maybe not Washington or not uh USC USC could be better than that uh we'll see with with uh what Eric musan can put together and I think Eric muselman is a really good coach so uh it's just kind of the unknown right now but still at the very least Nebraska and Washington and Minnesota exist so um they're not going to be all the way down there could they be a middle of the pack team sure I could see that happening but Northwestern brings back too much for them to be considered a 16 17 18 team in this league I think if they're a middle of the pack team it's more of a compliment to the teams that we're going to have at the top and less of an indictment on Northwestern for next year and the only reason I didn't bring them up first is because when I looked at the notes today I I more took it as a team for just this year but uh you know to Philip's Point Northwestern is disrespected every year every single year they get no respect they're like Rodney Dangerfield of of the Big 10 Basketball they get no respect none whatsoever and that goes for football too by the way like that they're I know we're not talking about football it's out my mind but their whole school just gets no respect is kind of my point like no matter what sport it is I just feel like when someone sees Northwestern on the schedule they're like oh that's a win and then they actually got to go play the game and they're like wait a minute they got some dudes they got some dudes on this team and I think that next year you're right man you made the exact same point I was going to make is that they don't have that go-to guy at the end of games right now I don't know if Ty Barry is it he might be he's he might have to be it might be Brooks actually he might have to be at the top of the key and break somebody down at the at the end of the game with 5 Seconds to go to go get win I guess I don't know but um I think that they're going to be a good enough team that they might not be in that position they might win games anyways where they don't need that guy at the end of games they're going to play good enough defense and they're going to score enough that they they won't need to do that I guess I mean I don't know the Big 10 is so evenly matched I feel like you have to have that guy at the end of the games um I just don't think you have boooy like I think you have Ty Barry and I think Ty Barry can turn into that guy and I think Burke B Sizer can be that guy for you at times too it's just you just don't have booy I mean one of the best players in all of you know Martini might be that guy honestly could be Martinelli like he he actually does have a little bit of that dog in him where he's like I can I can go get you a bucket right now like he like he has that no fear type mentality I think sometimes you saw that a little bit in like the opening round of the NCAA tournament last year where he was just like I'm going to be that guy right now he had a great first half that game uh against against uh oh man it was uh it was May team it was Dusty ma team FAU yeah like played really good against him in the first half and it was just like man maybe he's that guy and that's what I was going to say like everybody is picking them to be over or Michigan to be over them and it's like Chris Collins just beat Dy May and Dy may had a like by all the numbers he had a more talented team than what Chris Collins had at Northwestern so Collins wins that one Collins brings back almost he brings back I don't think Martin Nelly started last year right he brings back three of the F of the five starters so granted like I said you don't bring back boooy but still you bring back a good amount of guys here and Dusty May is off to Michigan where he is bringing in Vlad and Danny wolf and Roddy Gail and and Trey Donaldson right I mean some of those guys those are really good pieces but do we think those guys are going to click and be together right away maybe we'll see but I don't know I just I don't think that some teams should be picked over Northwestern as consistently as they are and maybe they will finish better than Northwestern but as of right now I have more question marks about some other teams than Northwestern I totally agree with that who's your you have your second third team I have a couple more teams that I I guess I can mention I'll do this so you don't have to I feel like Ohio State's not getting a ton of respect for next year and I think that you know you know this better than anyone so you can probably speak on the transfers a little bit more by name than I can but I know that they brought a big guy what was the big guy that they brought in that like is supposed to be their man Aaron Bradshaw okay so Bradshaw and uh you know I love Bruce thoron I think he's gonna be great next year I think he's gonna be potentially Player of the Year type guy next year now I know everyone's just like it's Bron Smith like he's going to be the guy he's gonna have to be the guy for Purdue and maybe he will be that's that's great that's great for Purdue but Bruce Thorton's not going to go down without a fight going to have to carry Ohio State a little bit and he can he can he's that talented so um I'm excited to see him play and and I don't think anyone's talking about Ohio State you know a team that they're kind of like okay newish Coach I guess he coached a little bit last year you know does debler really have it have enough whatever it is to carry a program through an entire season we'll find out next year but you know what if he does what if he actually is a good coach and that Purdue game wasn't a fluke and Bruce Thorton really is that guy and Bradshaw is really a beast down low Ohio state is going to be good next year and no one's talking about them so are they getting disrespected not really no one's saying anything bad about them but also no one's really mentioning them in those in those top five conversations either though yeah I mean I don't know sometimes I'm too pessimistic of a areio State basketball fan I don't think they're top five I definitely think they're top half of the league and I've seen some where they're kind of on that borderline I don't I don't know if I've seen him as low as like 12th uh but I've definitely seen him down at like 10th or 11th I think they're going to be a top half of the league team I do think that um uh debler is getting a little bit of disrespect just because he's like a new coach but I mean he literally went out there and beat Matt painer and Tom ISO last year and took Brad Underwood to the end of the game some people would argue he would have beat Brad Underwood if it wasn't for the referee I don't like making that argument personally so I'm not making it I'm just saying some people would make that argument um but at the end of the day like he he was in all almost every single game he was in or that he played in coached in sorry I'm getting all mixed up and like he he's a good coach he showed that last year he was able to take a team that Chris Holman wasn't able to win with and he was able to go out and beat Purdue and win at Michigan State beat Nebraska I mean he was able to do those things that maybe it was was a fluke I don't know maybe it was a fluke but I just I don't think the debler disrespect and that's I guess maybe that's what I attribute more to is just the debler disrespect like I get it he's a new coach but he he's he did really well last year in the Big 10 taking over a team that Chris Holman could have win with so um Philip says we have to also do overrated just so that way we can mention Maryland I didn't realize I was on mute I was just saying about debler too like he got to he got put in a very tough position he did fine uh but what did Philip say here got to do overrated as well just to get the fact that Willard sucks yeah I feel like if we don't go an episode without saying that Kevin Willard sucks then we we're not doing our job oh this is not a Big 10 Basketball podcast if you don't mention that Kevin Willard sucks at least once every episode and that's the thing like if we have a Maryland fan in here they'd be like yeah we agree yeah for sure they would be right on board they'd be like other than getting Derek queen other than getting Derek Queen they're like yeah he sucks yeah um Jeff Park says I think I saw on sleepers that Terence okby put a big 10 power rating out and he put Northwestern 18 I saw that as well crazy I think he also picked Michigan State to win like oh I did see that tweet too and that's the only you saying that is where I stopped reading it actually they had he had Michigan State winning and I was like yeah this isn't this isn't worth winning so if we're going to mention overrated programs i' put Michigan State in there because they're not winning the Big 10 this year no and I know I get called a hater from Michigan State all the time but like show me how they're going to win the Big 10 this year like what are they going to do in order to win it they have Jeremy VI Jr and Xavier Booker which I think will be a nice Duo we'll touch on that later but I don't see the other players around them they're going to have Frankie Fiddler should be nice but I don't think he's going to be the star player that is going to like Jaden Akens Jaden aens is gonna be nice but is he going to be the star play player that contends for Big 10 Player of the Year like they don't have Tyson Walker like I think you need somebody like Tyson Walker if you're going to win the Big 10 could they be top five sure but I I don't see them winning the Big 10 I think Michigan State fans would push back and say like we don't have to have a guy that's going to be in the player of the year contention to still win the conference I think that's what they would respond to you by saying if you have a big man that can consistently play sure if Xavier Booker turns into that sure but zavier Booker did not play enough last year for me to have confidence that he's going to turn into a star big man in the league that's just me that's fair that's just me all right uh let's hit a commercial break really fast