Welcome to Money Unscripted As a couple, had you talked
about life insurance? Had you talked about planning? He always liked
to talk about it. [LAUGHS] I hated
talking about it. I didn't want to
think about anything happening to either of us. Life insurance probably
isn't on most people's radar. At any age, we need
to start thinking about how I want to protect
the people that I care about. Nobody is guaranteed tomorrow. I think about that every time I
put my kids on the school bus. N/A [MUSIC] It was her darkest hour, but
a choice her husband made allowed her to focus on her
kids when they needed her most. Hi, welcome to Money
Unscripted, a podcast from Fidelity Investments. I'm Ally Donnelly. Today we're talking
about life insurance. Of course, no one wants to
talk worst case scenarios, but proper planning
can be a real measure of relief for your family. So big questions, who
needs life insurance? How much is enough? How much does it cost? We're going to answer
all of those questions and dispel some myths that
might be holding you back. First, I want to
share Laura's story. She never wanted to talk about
life insurance with her husband, but when the worst
happened, she was so grateful for the
decisions he made. Life insurance: Protecting your loved ones He was warm. He was funny. Without any effort
at all, he just brought light into
any situation. Craig and Laura McCullough
were high school sweethearts. They were just 15
when they started dating, eventually getting
married and starting a family. We had a hard time having kids. It was five, six years
before we had our twins. I can remember during
those years thinking, I can't imagine going through
this with anybody else. OK, come back. [CHEERS] And our third came
on very unexpectedly, in the way that the
youngest always does. (CHUCKLING) Yeah. And for the two years
after we had her, I mean, life was just easy. It was perfect. Part of that perfect
was a house on Cape Cod, a joyful life at the beach where
they were busy making memories. It was a totally normal morning. We had friends down
at our beach house, and I remember that was the
last time we saw him alive. [GENTLE PIANO MUSIC] It was a summer day in 2018. Craig had taken their
youngest up for a nap, and when he didn't
respond to her texts, Laura went to check on him. I walked in and saw
him on the floor. And that was the most
traumatic moment of my life. Her husband of 13 years,
the father of her children, gone in the prime of
his life at just 39. You know, there's
always going to be a gaping hole where he was. N/A As you're going
through that time, you're navigating
your grief, obviously, for the love of your life. But you're also a mom. Yeah. It was literally,
at first, I could think of one moment, one task,
from one moment to the next. At first it was literally like,
OK, I'm going to get out of bed and brush my teeth. OK, I'm going to get
out of bed and I'm going to get some breakfast
together for the kids. Soon came the realization
that life couldn't be over. I have three little kids,
like they have to be OK. We have to be OK. [VOICE CRACKING] There
isn't a choice in this. And so that realization came
on pretty quickly, you know. Just because daddy was gone
and wasn't coming home, they still needed to
have diapers changed. They still needed to
have food on the table. They still needed to
have good night cuddles. And so it was pretty
quickly that we had to-- I had to get myself together
in order to get them together. The late night
cuddles, but too, you have to think
about your finances and what you're going to do. What were you thinking
about what was what? Yeah. So in the first few
days, it was hard. I mean, I didn't know what
our financial position was. I can remember saying
to some of his friends, I don't even know if we
can afford ballet lessons. I don't know what our life
was going to look like. And I know in some ways I
was really lucky because one of the first things my
mother said to me right after is, You can come home
and you can come live with us and we'll take care of you. But (CRYING) I knew that's not
what I wanted for my family. I wanted them to live
and grow up in the place that they had been born. Yeah. In the place that they had
been born and the place that we had wanted them to grow up. What was that feeling, that
uncertainty, that fear, what was it? How would you name it? It was terrifying. I was paralyzed with fear. All of a sudden,
I lost my person. Had you and Craig talked
about life insurance? Had you talked much
about planning? So Craig was a
financial planner, so he always liked
to talk about it. [LAUGHS] I was very
much the opposite. I hated talking about it. And I could be somewhat
obnoxious about avoiding the conversation. [LAUGHS] I couldn't even
think of something happening to one of us. And I kind of labeled
him as being a worrywart for thinking about it. Craig was a worrywart. He did think about
it, and planned for that unimaginable
possibility of a life without him. He made sure there was
enough life insurance to protect Laura and the
kids and the future they had wanted for them. I knew that we'd be able to stay
in the house that we had bought. I knew that I'd be able to
send the kids to college, that we would be able to do
ballet lessons and baseball. And while it was going
to be a different life, it was going to be OK. What's changed in how you
talk about life insurance to your friends, other
women, other people? N/A When I talk to
people about it, as uncomfortable as the
conversations are, as sometimes inconvenient as getting
the physical exams or how the paperwork can
be, it's that important. You know, nobody is
guaranteed tomorrow. And I think about
that every time I put my kids on the school bus. [VOICE CRACKING] And
it's just important that I know that they'll be
OK if something happens to me. [GENTLE PIANO] As the years passed,
Laura found love again. She remarried, and she
and her husband Kyle are raising their five
children together. And she says, in a way,
Craig helped give her the gift of this new
life, to be in a place where she could be open
to a new happiness. There are definitely times
that I feel his absence more than others. But my kids are OK. They're more than OK. They're fabulous. They have a great stepdad
who's wonderful to them. They have two new,
amazing siblings. Life is good. Even when it's hard, it's good. Cheese! We're so grateful to
Laura and her family Why is life insurance important? for sharing their story. I want to bring Amy Sutton
into the conversation now. Amy is a Regional Planning
Consultant here at Fidelity. And I'm so glad you're here. Hi, Amy. Thanks for having me. Yeah, so tell me what it means
to be a Regional Planning Consultant. Well, if I could
sum it up, I would say that it means
that I help clients to build a plan to
protect their families and the people they care about. OK, so big part of planning-- Yes. --life insurance. You know, we saw what
measure of relief that brought for Laura during
a really terrible time. But if you're not in
crisis, life insurance may be something over here that
you don't want to think about, you don't want to talk about. So how should we be thinking
about life insurance at different points in our life? Yeah, that's a great question. Life insurance probably isn't
on most people's radar, right? It's not something they're
waking up and thinking about, but they should be. So it's something
that, at any age, we need to start
thinking about, how I want to protect the
people that I care about. Or if I have any
debts, anything that I need to look at, making
sure are paid off, that I'm not leaving as
a burden behind to people if something happened to me. OK, so let's go
through the basics. How does life insurance work? How does life insurance work? Yeah, so life
insurance works where you are going to pay a premium
payment to the insurance company and in return, they are going
to give you a lump sum payout. You get to determine how
much that payout is going to be based on how
much you want to pay, but you're going to
pay that either monthly or annually to the company. And then your
beneficiaries will receive a payout in the event something
were to happen to you. And that payout,
how can they use it? They can use that
any way they want. So I would say
what we mostly see is that they're using it to
continue their lifestyle, right? So they want to be
able to continue living the same way they were. They also can use it to help
cover any additional costs. So if you have an
outstanding mortgage, if you have credit card
debt, any outstanding student loans, that you
want to think about, because that will also be
another way that you can use it. And then future costs. So you've got to think about,
how old are your children? You know, are there
future costs like college, weddings, that you'd want to
make sure are accounted for. What’s the difference between term and whole life insurance? OK, that makes sense. So as you start to look
into life insurance, you see two kinds, mostly. Term life insurance and
whole life insurance. What's the difference? Yeah, so the difference
is term life insurance, just like the name, it
is for a period of time. So it's a term, meaning 10
years, 20, 30 years that you can purchase a policy for. So you're going to pay that
premium for that period of time. And then in return, you would
have that lump sum payout if something were to happen. Now it ends at that
period of time. So if you do a 10-year, at the
end of that 10 years, it's over. Where with a whole
life insurance policy, that is what we refer to
as a permanent policy. So that just means that you're
still paying that premium payment, but this
is now covering you for your whole life. So it's not going to go away
at a certain period of time. Now what we find is typically
when people are younger, it's a lot more cost effective
to have term insurance, right? It's going to cost a lot less,
and we typically need more. So we need that lump sum payout
to be a much higher amount. As we age, we need
less life insurance. So that's where maybe permanent
might make more sense. So one might be during
my prime earning years and one might be as I'm
older and don't need as much, is what you're saying. Exactly. OK. Yes. To be clear, for
this conversation, How much insurance do I need? as we move forward,
we're going to be talking about term life insurance,
the more affordable of the two options. Yes. So, you know, I'm sure you hear
this question all the time, but how do I figure
out how much I need? Yeah, absolutely. It's a very common question. You may want to
consider about 10 to 12 times your annual
salary, plus any bonuses. So what income
you have combined. That's a good starting
point, but I wouldn't say that's where it ends. So, for example,
I'm a single mom. I have been raising my daughter
for over 15 years on my own now. And immediately after my
divorce, the first thing I did was get life insurance. I knew I needed it. I didn't have it before that. And so I did look
at my annual salary, but there was so much more
to that I needed to look at. So I looked at replacing
just all of our everyday. What activities
is my daughter in? So those essential
expenses, plus those discretionary expenses. But then in addition
to that, I looked at, How much do I want
to leave her behind? Because I needed to
think about future costs. Eventually, she may
want to go to college. She might get married. So it was important for
me to include all of that. And then we had a mortgage. I needed to make sure
she wasn't burdened with any student loans, any
mortgages, any credit card debt. So all of that is what
you want to consider when you're really thinking
about, How much insurance do I need? Yeah, it's interesting
you got granular, like what activities she does. Like, that really struck a
chord with me when Laura said, I don't even know if I
can pay for my daughter's ballet lessons. Like that really, mom to mom,
that was revealing to hear. How does gender play a role in life insurance? You talk about yourself
as a single mom. How does gender play a role in
how you decide these things? Yeah, gender plays into this
conversation in that women are typically those care givers. We're taking care of
everyone around us and we forget about
ourselves, right? So women, in comparison
to men, we just don't own life
insurance like men do. Because we're not getting it. Right. Exactly. And when we think about
it, think about everything that women do. So the day-to-day
responsibilities. They're taking care of everyone. They may be taking
care of aging parents. They may be taking
care of children. Maybe they have siblings
with special needs. There's a lot of people
depending on women. And so we really need to
think about all the services that they're providing as well. So if something were
to happen to them, maybe you would need, as
a family meal replacement. Things like that you
don't really think about. There are myths that I hear you
talk about with life insurance, What if I don’t have kids? so I want to just
run through them. Myth number 1, Life
insurance is expensive. Yeah, that's a common myth. So life insurance, I would
say, is not expensive, especially term insurance. Is life insurance expensive? It is so affordable. And really, you can fit
this into anyone's budget. So you can pay for this monthly. You could pay for this
quarterly, semi-annual, annual. Maybe you need a set amount, but
maybe you're also overshooting. Maybe that's why it's a
little more expensive. So we take that number
down to make it affordable. OK. So as you're saying, like you
can fit it into your budget, you can figure it out. How do I figure it out? How do I figure out
how much I need? So we talked about earlier
that 10 to 12 times estimate of your
income, bonuses. So we have a needs analysis
that you can go right online on Fidelity.com. You can be able to put in
exactly what your needs are. So it will calculate
how much insurance do you need based on your
lifestyle and your situation. So give me an example. What are some
formulas, so to speak, or what are some outcomes
that you're looking at? So an example would be
a 35-year-old female, a 35-year-old woman purchasing
a 20-year term policy for $500,000. That would be about a
little more than $17 a month if she was in excellent health. Now, let's say she's
in average health, then it would be a
little over $34 a month. So as you age, you may
see those costs going up. As your health
maybe changes, you might see those costs going up. So typically with insurance
you're looking at, are you in average health, good
health, or excellent health? But it's still going
to be affordable, even if you're an average health. So maybe you have
high cholesterol. You've got something going on
that you might be more rated into average health. How important is it to be
transparent on those questions about your health? It's so important to be honest
about your health, absolutely. And if you do have
something going on, it doesn't mean that you're
automatically not going to be able to get insurance. They do look at, on the
application process, during underwriting,
they're going to look at your overall health. So they're going to assess,
What is your overall health? But also, what are some of the
risks that you're taking too, in your lifestyle? So that all works
into that price. But it is so important to
just be up-front and honest about your health. So I'm not going to get
boxed out necessarily if I'm transparent. Right. OK. Myth number 2, I don't need
life insurance until I'm older or I'm a parent. Yeah, that is a big myth. So we would say, if you have any
life event that happens at all, you get married, you get
divorced, you do have children, When should I get life insurance? you have anything that you
just want to leave as a legacy behind. Or you have debt,
student loans, mortgage, that you don't want to leave
as a burden to other people. That would be a reason
to have life insurance. I always boil it
down to, Are there people you care about and love
that you want to make sure are taken care of? And do you have any
outstanding debt? This is a big question I had. It's benefit time or
you're starting a new job, and you're clicking the
box of life insurance through your employer. Myth number 3, life
insurance that I can get through my employer is enough. So I would say, on
average-- remember, Is my employer’s insurance enough? we want to aim for 10 to
12 times our annual salary and bonus. When we think about our employer
insurance, most of the time, it's covering us for maybe one
time of that annual salary. Sometimes too, it's not
even giving us that amount. And if you were to leave
your employer, remember, that goes to 0. So you no longer even have
that insurance policy. So it's important
to think about. A lot of families have shared
that they would struggle within six months if someone
were to unexpectedly pass away because it just isn't enough. So if you lose your
job, you leave your job, it doesn't come with you. It's over. Yeah. So I would definitely
elect to have that, but I would also have an
outside policy as well. So that's where having
an additional term policy would make sense. OK. And you can have policies
at the same time. Absolutely. OK. Myth number 4, I only need
life insurance if I'm working. We would definitely say
those non-working partners, spouses absolutely need
life insurance as well. We talked about it earlier. Think about women or
anyone in that role Do I need insurance if I’m not working? that's being a caretaker
at home, replacing them. What would the cost be
of replacing that person? They may not be
earning an income, but are they
providing childcare? Are they doing the
different things around the house,
different activities that you would need to now
have a housekeeper come in? Maybe you need to
do a meal service. So there's a lot of
things that go into. Somebody not working still
needs life insurance. Yeah, yeah. As we talk about term life
insurance, and I know, 10, 15, 20, 30,
you've talked about. How do I figure out
how much time I should put into that term policy? I think it depends on what
your age is and your situation. So for me, when I had gotten
divorced, my daughter was young, How do I determine what type of insurance I need? she was six years
old, so I knew I needed to have a policy
covering me for a while. So I got a 30 year
term to make sure that was going to cover for her
to be grown and out of college. So it just depends
on your situation and how long you're going
to have those expenses for, how long you're going
to have children in the home, or future costs. At some point in
time as we get older, it is going to get a little more
expensive with term insurance. And so you just want
to make sure it's matching what your needs are. OK, OK. How often should I revisit
my insurance needs? Yeah, so we would say that want
to revisit your needs whenever you have a major life event. So if something happens,
you get a new job, you move, you have a divorce, a marriage,
new child added to the family, How often should I revisit my insurance needs? something that changes the
dynamics of your situation, that's when you want to
revisit and look at your needs. OK. Final takeaways. As I'm leaving
this conversation, what do you hope I take with me? Yeah, so I hope you take
with you to do your research. Go out, find some
reputable companies, and do some price comparison. Life insurance: A recap Just look and see what the
different prices are out there. And when it comes
to term insurance, and we talk about it being
affordable, look at maybe-- we talked about that example of
it costing close to $40 a month. Maybe that's not as
affordable and you need to look at maybe
lowering the term. Maybe it's not 20 years. Maybe you do 10 years or you do
a little bit less in coverage to get that into your budget. But you can go out and
be able to figure out how much is going to be the
right protection to protect the people you care about. Awesome. Amy, this has been such
a valuable conversation. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. And thanks to all of
you for being here. If you still have questions
about life insurance, head to our website. Fidelity.com/MoneyUnscripted
or check out our show notes. You'll find that quote
tool we talked about, articles, and other resources
to help you figure out your own coverage needs. We'll see you next time
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