Donald Trump on psychology of winning and losing | Lex Fridman Podcast Clips

you said that you love winning and you have won a lot in life in uh real estate in business in TV in politics so let me start with a mindset a psychology question what drives you more the love of winning or the hate of losing maybe equally maybe both I don't like losing and I do like winning I've never thought of as to which is more of a driving force you've been close with a lot of the greats in sport uh you think about Tiger Woods Muhammad Ali you have people like uh Michael Jordan who I think hate losing more than anybody so what do you learn from those guys well they do have something different you know the great Champions have something very different like the sports champions and you know you have champions in other fields but you see it more readily in sports you see it over a week weekend or you see it during a game and you see that certain people stand out and they keep uh they keep standing out but it's there for you it doesn't take a lifetime to find out that somebody was a winner or a loser and so the sports thing is very interesting but you know I play golf with different people and uh you have there's a different mindset among Champions there's really a very different mindset there's a different uh there's a different thought process you know talent wise sometimes you can't tell the difference in talent but at the end of a weekend they seemed to win and it's very interesting uh like as an example tiger or Jack Nicholas he was a phenomenal winner and he does have a different way about him and tiger has a different way about him and Michael Jordan and there's never one you would think that there'd be one way Arnold Palmer was the nicest guy you'd ever meet and then you have some Champions that aren't really nice they're just focused on doing their job uh so you have you know there's not one type of person but the one thing I I would say that everybody seems to have in common is they're very driven they're driven like Beyond they don't seem to give up easily they don't give up they don't give up but they do seem to be you know they have a passion that's maybe more than people that don't do as well you've said that politics is a dirty game yeah in the past it is a dirty game that's certainly true uh so if it is a game how do you win at that game well you win at that game by getting the word out and by you using sense you have to have a feeling where it's going you also have to have a feeling of what's right you can't necessarily just go what's popular you have to do what's good for a country if you're talking about countries but you you have to get the word at and you have to just continuously like for instance you have a great show you have a great podcast it's very well watched and I'm sitting here and I do this a lot of people see it and I do other things and a lot of people see that and I go traditional also you know you have traditional television which is getting a little bit older and maybe less significant could be less significant I don't know but it's changing a lot the the uh the the whole plane of of platform is changing a lot it's changed a lot in the last 2 three years but from a political standpoint you have to find out what people are doing what they're watching and you have to get it you have to get on I just see that these platforms are starting to dominate they're getting very big numbers I did spaces with Elon and they got numbers like nobody's ever heard before so you know this is you wouldn't do that on like radio you wouldn't do that those numbers no matter how good a show you wouldn't do those numbers on radio you wouldn't do them on television you've been successful in business you've been successful in politics what do you think is the difference between uh gaining success between the two the two different desperate worlds yeah and they're different very different um I have a lot of people that are in business that are successful and they'd like to go over to politics and then you realize they can't speak they choke you know it's hard to make a speech in front of that let's say you're talking about a big audience but I get very big audiences and you know for many people it's virtually impossible to get up and speak for an hour and a half and have nobody leave you know it's not an easy thing to do and it's an ability but I have many people that are very very successful in business would love to do what I did and yet they can't pull the trigger and in many cases I I don't think it would work almost almost for everybody it's not going to work it's a very it's a very tough thing to do it's a big transition and now if you talked about people in the business in politics going into business likewise that wouldn't generally work out so well either it's different talents it's different skills I have somebody who wants to go into politics so bad but he's got a little problem he's got stage fright now he's a total killer but if he gets up into a stage in front of people he doesn't do well to put it mildly actually I mean he does badly so you have to be able to make hard decisions like you do in business but also be able to Captivate an audience look if you're a politician you have to be able to speak in front of large crowds there are a lot of people can't do that I've seen it they can't even think about doing it it and they don't there are many people in business right now I could name them but I don't want to embarrass anybody they've been talking about running for president for 15 years and they're very big in business very well known actually and but it takes guts to run like for president I can tell you it takes guts to run it's also a very dangerous profession if you want to know the truth but uh dangerous in a different sense too but it takes a lot of courage to run for president it's not easy but you have and you know the same people as I do there are a lot of people that would like to run for president that are very very successful in business but they don't have the guts to do it and they have to give up a lot