Time to BUY the Carolina Panthers? | NFC Depth Chart Deep Dive

Intro what is up welcome to another edition of the utilization report debrief I'm Marcus Grant joined by Dwayne McFarland fresh off uh a long holiday weekend how was your your long weekend I I assume you had one uh yeah I definitely had one it was awesome we uh we went to a crawfish boil which is you know it's the end of the season for that uh and and the boil we went to this guy's got a you know he's got this uh person that he goes to it's nobody really knows who it is you know he doesn't let everybody know but he always gets all these huge crawfish uh and like so we're always trying to decode like where is he getting these crawfish from especially this year if anybody that's listening that eats crawfish knows that like there was uh you know a shortage of crawfish and uh were not a lot of big ones this season but his his uh contact is still coming through so that was great we had some live music Mar us so ni got up and played in front of people which is uh can always go a lot of different ways for you um and then um you know the the the Mavs and the stars are uh they're crushing it so yeah really good really good at the McFarland household how about for you very nice yeah we saw some sea life but not not boiled and cooked we uh we went to San Diego took the kid to SeaWorld uh for a day then went to the the safari park in San Diego but the weather was great uh it's hard for it to not be great San Diego's pretty much any anywhere between like 68 and 75 pretty much every day of the year so um no it was a good weekend got some time uh just to kind of hang out and and get away from from football for a couple of days but uh good enough to recharge and uh and get ready to go so uh definitely definitely a good weekend for sure um last week on this show we talked about depth chart questions for the AFC teams so I'm sure you can figure out what we're going to do on this week's show we're going to do the same except we're going to look at the NFC team so we have a lot of questions here to get through uh for the different teams in the NFC um basically you know how things are going to stack up and maybe help you plan better uh for any dra that you have yet to do or if you're in the middle of a slow draft maybe help you sort of readjust any thinking you have for that so let's start down in the desert with the Arizona Cardinals because you know they have Kyler Murray back they went Who is the WR2 for the Cardinals? out and drafted to no one's surprise Marvin Harrison Jr so he walks in and all assumptions are he's the number one wide receiver I did laugh Dwayne I think I saw a couple weeks ago the story where the offensive coordinator was basically saying he's gonna have to earn his spot and everybody was like yeah okay sure right you know just kind of a general ey rule to that um so assuming like we all do that mhj is the wide receiver one who is the wide receiver two in Arizona yeah I think they probably want Michael Wilson to be the guy Marcus because they do have some draft Capital invested in him um but Z Jones is just one of these kind of crafty veterans that he's shown multiple times that he can be around like a 20% targets per route run that means he can typically push for like a 17 18% Target Target share I I do think that Marvin Harrison Jr and Trey McBride are going to be the clear top two options so I really don't know how much is going to be left over for a third option but if I had to put a chip on it today like I would say that Z Jones like ends up winning that role he can play all three of the positions you know the coaching staff has talked about that he has shown that he can come out and beat man coverage like if you look at you know Z Jones and you look at like his underlying you know data points that like we like to look at for wide receiver skill sets like the yards per route run like they've they've never really been great right that's that's never been something great for for Z Jones they've been fine they've been respectable but not like any they're not near wide receiver one level but he has shown that ability to consistently earn targets which is something that we have not seen from Michael Wilson yet and in Michael Wilson's rookie season a 14% targets per route run like that's really bad no matter what round you're drafted in and that was a season where they really needed someone to step up they didn't have a Marvin Harrison Jr yeah they had Maris brown but he got hurt he was on and off the field um Trey McBride was the guy that ultimately ended up stepping up for them last year and really going off so I think they want it to be Michael Wilson but I think what ends up happening is z Jones kind of just slowly takes that role over I'm guessing week one out of the gate Michael Wilson's the guy that's out there they're still giving him that shot but if he doesn't show something pretty quickly I do think that it would be Z Jones by like midseason that takes over the starting role uh for the wide receiver two spot I think I think a thing we have seen from Z Jones throughout his career that he can be an effective sort of secondary Receiver right he's never going to be the guy that you're going to lean on if if you are leaning on Z Jones to carry your passing game you are probably in a lot of trouble but as a complimentary piece we know he can be successful we saw that in Jacksonville the last couple of years I'm sort of with you on Michael Wilson it's the guy that that they have invested some draft capital in I think they were there were some thoughts that he could be kind of a deep sleeper last year never quite worked out I don't know that was necessarily his fault uh but it's going be an interesting battle I think you know I think Z Jones has as you mentioned kind of the experience Factor on his side but I think you know the coaching staff in the front office probably putting more of a chip on Michael Wilson so I would think he gets maybe the larger shot at this and if he falters then they know they got another option they can lean on uh behind behind Marvin Harrison Jr there but I do to your point though I think it's gonna be hard when you have Harrison and uh McBride kind of taking so many of the the opportunities there in that passing game for sure uh over to Atlanta because we're all excited for Kyle pittz again we're excited for Drake London again because Kurt Cousins is there first off I gotta ask like I feel like we're all big big on the skill position guys maybe like we're sort of so so on KK cousins does that that feel about right right now yeah it does I think people are just a little bit concerned about the Achilles and they're concerned about the arrival of Michael pennix could that in some way shape or form like if the season plays out in a certain way whether that means an injury cousins has to miss a couple of games suddenly pinnick plays really well does that force a situation where pinnick stays on the field or if by some chance the Falcons just you know start off really bad you know say they're one and seven or something do they just go ahead and turn everything over to pinck so I think that folks are a little bit leery with kurk cousins if you didn't have pinx I think you would see him going a little bit higher in fantasy drafts because people are so high on Drake London on Kyle pittz a lot of these other guys but I think the bottom line Marcus like for the offense overall is whichever of these quarterbacks is under Center like it's going to be an upgrade from what we saw with Desmond Ritter and Marcus Mariota it's no offense to those guys they're professionals but it can't get much worse like the Atlanta Falcons quarterback situation has been one of the absolute worst in the NFL over the last three seasons and if you look at the potential upside that we're going to get in this passing game Kurt Cousins could bring a 75 to 100 yard Improvement per game versus what we've seen from the Falcons you know in the passing attack and that's just absolutely huge and we don't see it that often going back in the history of fantasy football but uh one good example is Eric Decker whenever we saw pton Manning arrive on the scene and they had had Tim TBO and all these other castoffs before that went uh he he increased 7.3 fantasy points per game Marcus so I mean that's that's kind of what people I think are looking at T Y Hilton the year I had jacobe brassett start because Andrew l was out and the next year Andrew Lux comes back the year before Andrew Lux surprises us all and retires in August but that one last hurah with Andrew luck T Y Hilton went up six fantasy points per game so there are a couple of examples where we saw nearly that 100 yards per game increase and I think that's really around where we could be for the Falcons now if penx has to start I wouldn't be as bullish on it but it's still going to be better than potentially sitting around 200 yards per game or Worse which you've seen you know over the last couple of years so um the Market's already very bullish on Drake London but I think it all adds up for me I'm interested in your thoughts but when I look at London like the underlying Talent profile screams borderline wide receiver one already like his Target earning ability his yards per route run all those things despite playing with really bad quarterbacks shows up well for Drake London so now you give this increase in Kirk Cousins I think this is one of those scenarios you know where it truly does mean 1 plus 1 equals 3 right it's going to be more than 1 plus 1 equals 2 now the same could also go for Kyle pittz who's going in round five sometimes slips into round six of early baseball drafts no I'm I'm with you 100% because I think what we saw from Drake Drake London London the last couple of years is what he potentially can do I mean this is a guy who last year had over 900 receiving yards with as you mentioned poor quarterback play um now they get an upgrading quarterback to your point regardless of who it is if it's cousins if it's pennick it's definitely better than what they've seen the last couple of years on top of that this is an off offense that now has more scoring potential um you know last year it was let's just let's see if they can get you 17 points as a team um and then hopefully their defense which by the way last year was maybe the first time in a long time where you you could say the offense let the defense down in Atlanta it hadn't been that way for so many years um now this is an offense that can sort of keep Pace there and so that touchdown upside compared with as you mentioned the 75 to 100 more yards potentially uh in offense really does Lindon s well to Drake London so I I do understand the excitement for him and I I look I some people were like were saying hey I'm back on Kyle Pitts I'm like well I'm not back because I never really fully left the whole time right I know there are people who are still hesitant right because so far he hasn't really blossomed into the guy that we want him to be even though I still go back to he had a thousand yards as a rookie he had a great season he was a victim of our oversized expectations um this is the year though Dwayne where everything seems to come together they've got the quarterback play he is healthy again hopefully they have a coach that's not going to go all Galaxy brain and try to use him in some really weird ways uh that don't necessarily fit his skill set everything points toward this finally being the Kyle Pitts year that we are hoping for so round 56 I'm super comfortable taking him in that spot I really do think at some point though either you're in or you're out I don't think there are people anymore who were on the fence about Kyle pittz like I thought at some point you've just sort of declared your side on on what you think he's going to be and to be honest I think most people had already had declared their side I I Kyle Pitts do think this changed their mind the quarterback upgrade because if you remember like the the early early best ball drafts before free agency happened KY pitz was going in round 10 yeah and so now he's climbed five rounds so I I think there were some people that were out that have been that have been sucked back in I do agree I think there are some people that will just never be in on Kyle Pitts and and if you need to you know if if you need like the experience of knowing that like just tweet anything you want about KY D it can be positive or negative and you're going to get some sort of like opposite reaction from a lot of different people um in your Twitter feed to that thread so yeah with with with the Falcons I think the other really interesting thing and I know we'll move on to the next team but like is is there anything else here like Tyler alir you know backing up bejan Robinson a very clear uh running back one pick in the first round if something were to happen to to bejan if we feel this great about this offense we've already seen Tyler alir be a 10,00 yard back I kind of wonder if like he's not one of the better handcuff selections right now because there's not really anyone else there we don't have quarter L Patterson we don't have some of those other questions so I think there's a lot to be minded here in this Falcons offense and uh I I try to get a piece of it you know every time I can and and uh and and whenever I'm doing my drafts any real quick any any interest in like the darno munies or Rondo Moors of the world um yeah late in drafts like it's part part of like game stack stuff like say you got Jaden Daniels and you've already got beon and and one of the other Falcons on the team something like that or you're going with Kurt Cousins and you're looking at the stack you know you've got Washington versus Atlanta if people are wondering okay game stack what does that mean those two play each other in week 17 when you're trying to win all the money in a best ball Championship so I'm definitely open to drafting those guys I don't Target them honestly if I don't already have other Falcons pieces like it's just I I find it hard to see a role really developing I think Rondell is the one I actually like more uh just because how interesting that slot role has been in the Rams offense over the history now Cooper cup is a great player that that really sends that you know slot position to a new level but ronell Moore is kind of a guy that's always had my interest Marcus but for whatever reason it just hasn't worked out I know he gets a lot of little gimmicky kind of touches but so does Deo Samuel Deo Samu get a lot of gimmicky touches so it's not always a bad thing so if there were one of those two I do think it's Rondell and Rondell pretty much goes undrafted whereas you know Darnell Mooney you've still got to spend a pick on yeah no that's probably Fair um speaking of moving on to the next team that's the Carolina Panthers and if there's one thing that I feel Are the Panthers the most improved offense? like all of us in the fantasy industry are starting to coales around it's the idea that there's big Improvement coming and everybody seems to love drafting Panthers at ADP at Cost admittedly but there seems to be a lot more excitement about them can we say that they are the most improved offense in the NFL now granted Dwayne that was a pretty low bar from where last year was but uh they have done some things to really try and improve are they the most improved offense for you I think they could be I think the next team we're going to talk about is the Bears I in the NFC I do think it's these two teams um you know really battling for who is going to be the most improv obviously I think you could look at you know there are some other teams like the commanders they finally po have their quarterback as well but I I think it comes down to these two um and when you look at the Panthers you get Dave Canales coming over as your head coach this is a guy that you know had the Gino Smith turnaround season two years ago then he comes up on Baker Mayfield and he gives him that real turnaround season now he gets to come in and work with Bryce young and and you know the other part here is Bryce young could also just be really good we've talked about this in the past this was a guy that was the first pick in the draft overall two years ago and I know how easy it is to make fun of the Panthers because CJ strad was great in his rookie year Bryce young was not but Bryce young also didn't have the same Supporting Cast I love how quickly people are to just jump on CJ strad and say well CJ strout just made everybody better around him no guess what guys Nico Collins is good and we already said he was getting better and it turns out tank Dell was better than we all thought now did CJ strout help Elevate them yes but it goes hand inand you can't have complete crap wide receivers and a quarterback suddenly make them better that's proven we have seen it so many years how many years have people gone back to the well with the Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes they're just like oh well they're on they play with Patrick Mahomes mvs he's gonna be great no he's not he still sucks can't make him better that way so guys get off of it we don't have to declare things one way or another everything doesn't have to be black and white there's some gray area in these things you have a really good receiving Corp and you have a really good quarterback guess what really good things can happen but you just have one or the other it's not always going to be great yeah we lean to the quarterback because we know it's the most important position but this is a big upgrade Marcus we get Deontay Johnson coming over and I know people get mad at Deontay because they feel like he hasn't lived up to like his underlying data points for his for his talent profile but he's got a wide receiver eight finish on his on his resume so he has already actually flashed that upside but he can get open at will he can beat man coverage Zone coverage he can work those short and intermediate routes he's even better as a deep threat than what some people give him credit for but he's really kind of been attached to some quarterbacks that didn't want to push it down the field so very interested because that's something Bryce young was really good good at they also had zavier Xavier Legette um you go out and grab him at the end of the first round now we weren't crazy about it the wide receiver rookie supermodel over at Fantasy Life is not crazy about Xavier Legette and it's primarily because he is an older prospect that did absolutely nothing until his fin final year of college but if we want to look at the positives Marcus he did it in the SEC he did it against really good competition so there are occasionally examples of guys where the light just comes on it would be an outlier but hey at least the Panthers went out and they invested the pick they also upgraded the offensive line and if you look at it they went after two different guards Robert hunt who they gave a 00 million contract to and then Damen Lewis was over 50 million so I mean major major upgrades on the offensive line uh Bryce young I believe was the second most sacked quarterback last year 62 I believe was where he was at and that was just uh shy of where Sam Howell finished the year at 65 so this is a guy that was under a ton of pressure I think that's going to be better and they added Jonathan Brooks now that's a guy that the rookie supermodel absolutely love coming off of an ACL but you pair that with those guards and in the late season man I feel like that could be where Jonathan Brooks is really coming on I like this offense a lot I do think that it is the most improved offense in the NFL no I I mean it was obvious what the plan was this off season it was to really improve on that side of the ball considering how bad they were um you know it's funny how people have ort of shifted on Deontay Johnson CU I felt like there wasn't a lot of excitement about him going to Carolina when it first happened and then people started to realize well he's a guy who can get open on a team where they didn't have anybody who could consistently get open so the targets are going to be there uh I think the Legette thing is interesting I know there were a lot of Lisa chanal jokes right after the draft when you had Dave Canalis talking about moving him around and doing different things but I think it's another guy they can get the ball and he he continues to say those things I know right come on man like just tell us he's getting open on a route or something just say something right but whatever there it's another guy they can get the ball to in in a whole lot of different ways you mentioned the the offensive line additions and Jonathan Brooks again it's hard for them to get worse than they were last year but but I'm really excited about what they can be and I'm I'm sort of pleased that I think everybody has sort of taken a measured approach the people seem excited but we haven't seen adps just shoot through the roof on any of these guys either it's coming because like to your point you're hearing more and more of our community talk about it so I mean I'll probably have to Li to lay off like Deontay Johnson's my most drafted wide receiver 38% of my teams right now have Deontay on them I just feel like people eventually are going to come around to the fact that you know we're hoping lad makoni can be as good as Deontay Johnson we're hoping Keon Coleman can be as good as Deontay Johnson but this is a really good player that's still in his prime um and he could be playing with a quarterback that could make drastic improvement like I I I legit think Deontay Johnson still has wide receiver one upside do you have to draft him that way no that's the beauty of it but I think he could easily Marcus give you a top 24 wide receiver season he just he just has to stay healthy and we do need some progress from from Bryce young is it a pick that could go wrong yeah but you're getting him in round seven right now so I mean it's not absolutely killing you I mean he goes around jsn DeAndre Hopkins those are other names that you know I like to take as well but Deontay is definitely my favorite in that group and then you didn't even mention I mean Adam then after what he did last year people still don't care they're just don't like I mean he's going right now like in the what 160s I've got Adam thielen on 25% of my teams so I've got Xavier Legette on a lot of my teams so Panthers are so easy to stack and and set up late in your drafts they are one of my favorite teams to attack and Jonathan Brooks his uh ADP just continues to rise people are not they're just not worried about the ACL so I was kind of holding off on him for just a little little bit hoping that like people would kind of be like ah well get worried about the injury and that would open up a door to get him a little more of a discount but now I think if you want Jonathan Brooks you're just gonna have to take him now because there are other big influencers in the market I listen to a podcast from JJ zachar uh I don't know like a week ago and he was pumping up Jonathan Brooks and these so like when you got someone like JJ out there talking about it it's gonna probably continue to push the ADP up so if you want him you just need to take him now yeah yeah it's funny because people aren't worried about the ACL and obviously they're not worried about chuba Hubbert and or my sanders uh at any point either well and in these tournaments like you're looking for what what you want is to draft the team that can win come week 17 and the young players give you a great chance to do that because there's a lot of ways that the Panthers uh season could run out they they may not be as improved as what we're talking about and that could still be good for Jonathan Brooks Because by the time the end of the year gets here they just want to see him man they want to put him on the field they want to try to get a spark for their offense there's just a lot of ways that it works out good for these younger players whether this team performs well or they underperform and Arness is improved like as what you and I think they might be so OR… are the Bears the most improved offense!?!? if they are potentially the most improved offense then the Chicago Bears probably clocking in at the second most improved offense you talk about young players obviously Caleb Williams goes number one overall they take Romo dun a little bit later in the first round they add Keenan Allen uh there's a lot I mean this defense seemed to kind of be on its way I mean it definitely had work to do but but it another one Dwayne that took a big step forward with their offseason moves yeah I think you you could argue for this one to be number one it really comes down to Caleb Williams and Bryce young which of those two guys play better um because both of them you know are are playing on offenses that look pretty good but like overall like if you had to pick from the receiver core standpoint like you're taking DJ Moore Romo dun and Keenan Allen over Deontay Johnson Xavier Legette and Adam th like like they're both solid but I think clearly the Bears have the the they have the better Trio but I'm talking just pure most improved offense period over the offseason and when you look at what the the Panthers also did on the offensive line I think I give them the slight nod the other thing that worries me about the Bears is I am just not a Shane Waldren fan like he has just underwhelmed me since he took over in Seattle we always get excited about the we get excited about that Shawn McVey coaching tree and it's just not something with Waldren that I I think he hasn't done very much for me when I look at coaches like I'm looking for guys that do as much as possible to make it as easy as possible on their signal collar and I don't think that he's necessarily done that he doesn't use a lot of play action which we know is a cheat code a Target to a wide receiver is worth 20% more in fantasy points over the last five season on play action versus non-play action it just creates more space this is not rocket science he doesn't he doesn't do it now part of that can come down to the quarterbacks you're playing with if they don't like it there are some quarterbacks in the league that will tell you they don't like play action they don't like turning their back to the defense they it's just not their thing and so he did have Russell Wilson who is not that's not something that he really loves to do so maybe there's a little bit there for walren but again like last year you go out and you spin that pick on Jackson Smith and jiga and then you run you know the 17th most 11 personnel in the league like you just don't even run three wide receiver sets that often you're at the league average so to me like things like that and some of that can be the head coach like it could be Pete Carroll really maybe stepped in and said no no that's not what we're going to do but that's the kind of stuff that just really bothers me and then just an offense that didn't run a lot of plays Marcus like the second least plays per game over the over his tenure when he was with Seattle like he was just one of the worst and and that's despite having pretty good quarterback play which if you have really bad quarterbacks it can really hurt your plays per game but uh he had decent quarterback play during that time so for me Shane Waldren is still in a hey you bet you got to show it to me I don't I don't necessarily think this guy's a great coordinator so that's my concern but I think it does lead to a question that you have to figure out as a fantasy manager and like if you're trying to make a stand on something in this offense it's really who who is the wide receiver to when they play in two wide receiver sets because we we have a question about how much 11 personnel they're going to run and what if it is Odun Odun might be the better fit out of of him and Keenan Allen to play in two wide receiver sets and if that is the case then Odun a guy that you originally when we talked about him thinking maybe he is overpriced because how's he gonna earn targets against a guy like Keenan Allen and DJ Moore and I think that's still going to be a challenge for him but I think there is a question as to who is on the field when they just play in their two wide receiver sets because Keenan's getting older he is a really good player from inside doesn't mean he can't play outside but a lot of his snaps have come from the slot over the last several seasons yeah and that's a reason why I'm not avoiding Keenan Allen but I certainly have been hesitant at times necessarily to click on his name just because I think there is a world in which he's the one who sort of is kind of low man on the totem pole uh in this offense and so just from playing time yeah yeah right and so I think that that is my my big concern with Keenan Allen you know not that suddenly he's gonna be a terrible player and fall off a cliff but just the numbers may not work out in his favor consistently so that has me a little bit concerned about what what his year could be in Chicago this year um speaking of older players Ezekiel Cowboys Elliott is back in Dallas uh he rejoins the cowboys after a whole lot of speculation and much assumption that that would uh happen so now they've got three guys in that back field with with Zeke Rico D and Duce vaugh how do they split that up and then furthermore do they have a number three wide receiver in this offense right now yeah I think those are really big questions for the Cowboys um I will say that you know the way the coaching staff has been talking like you're it's always interesting right these these you know comments and these quotes that we get from the coaches and they've told us it's going to be a committee and at the running back position but I do think sometimes we read too much into it all they've really said is this is not going to be Zeke from like five years ago well what was Zeke five years ago it was the feed me Zeke right he got everything so I don't think our expectations were ever that Zeke was going to come out and suddenly get like 70% of the rushing workload but I don't know about you Marcus I still would project him as the lead guy I I I get it people are like oh well Rico D he's younger well he's you know this is a guy that's over 26 years old he's been in the league a while I I don't know it's hard for me to get two behind that but right now and our projection model I've got Zeke at 43% of the carries 33% going to Rico D and then I've got 10% going to Duce vau du vau is the absolute kind of profile that if he if he did really work out hard this offseason and gets that weight up and gets to a spot where they feel more comfortable having him on the field he could really throw a wrench in everything because we know from his days at Kansas State he is a prolific back out of the back field as far as you know his receiving prowess so there's a world where Zeke and D are kind of battling for these early down looks maybe Zeke gets more of the work inside the five yard line and then you have duvon really taking that two-minute offense so I think there's a lot of ways this could go but I'm willing to spend ADP I'm just kind of mixing all these guys in right now Marcus I I I don't have like a real strong take I think it's hard to have a strong take honestly and if someone does I I I I mean I think they're out on a limb to be honest because there's there's nothing to really attach yourself to other than the fact that it's an ambiguous backfield and it's the Cowboys they should score a lot of points we just want I I just want access to it I just want to mix it up but I have mixed in some Deuce Von shares at the very end of drafts of few times um and that's something I'll probably do more as the summer goes on and then man that wide receiver three question I don't know I really don't like I was looking at it Jaylen Brooks right now is the guy that's battling Jaylen tolber for the you know for the starting reps opposite of Brandon Cooks and CD lamb so I I think if you have to throw a dart late in drafts right now is Jaylen Tolbert if you really want to get funky you know with it then I think that you know it's probably Jaylen Brooks I'm probably waiting on that though like those kind of picks like where they might or I mean there's a chance Jaylen Brooks doesn't even make the teen even though right now he's battling you know for reps with the first team uh in OTAs so I like to wait before I start throwing darts on players like that I like to get a little bit more information because it's not like he's suddenly going to turn into a round 12 fantasy P pick like he'll he'll just be going at the end of drafts if we suddenly hear that he might be the wide receiver three for the team but those those seem to be the early favorites Jaylen Tolbert is the one I would draft now though I I think right now Jaylen Tolbert looks like the guy that's going to win that spot he hasn't been super impressive like his targets per route run yards per route run you know PFF receiving grade none of those things even click anywhere near like wide receiver three level so you're just basically hoping he gets out there and plays a lot and that he can kind of be I mean what are we saying at this point like an mvs uh you know one of these you know maybe he could turn into a Gabe Davis you know and give you some spike we potential but he has the chance to be on the field yeah um I mean I think you make a good point in that you can wait on these guys we can wait till we get closer you to maybe start a training camp we kind of get a better idea of how they're running sort of out there before you make that decision the other thing is and I've seen a lot of people suggest that somehow the Cowboys aren't going to run a committee because they've never really done that before but I also don't think they've ever had a running back room quite like this before where you have yeah sure you have Zeke but he's not the same guy as you mentioned he's not the same feed me Zeke uh that we saw before they've got other guys that you know maybe they don't have a ton of draft capital in but are at least worth getting on the field so there's a very good chance this could end up in a a committee situation there whether it's a Twan committee or a three-man committee I think will determine how productive guys are what you just said is a huge point like I have spent so much time studying coaching Tendencies I've got a huge coaching database and what I can tell people while yes there are certain schemes and things that certain coaches that they like to deploy overall Talent almost always did dictates where the ball is going um whether that means the coach designing more plays whether that means the coach you know not designing as many plays and just trusting the players obviously they're designing everything but like not scheming up little niche kind of plays like what you see for Debo Samuel uh and all the work that he gets in San Francisco what some of these other coaches can do and there are obviously better schemers than others but let's be honest all these route Concepts there's not a lot that's new I mean it's pretty much stuff that's being reused by everyone every once in a while get these little tweaks and these little things that kind of take the league over by storm like all the fast motion stuff that the Dolphins were doing over the last two years now all the teams are doing it yeah you get things like that but overall uh these different route route combos they're they're the same they've been around for a very long time it's the way you sequence them it's the way you set your players up you know to to to be using you know the type of routes that maybe they're the best at but overall man what you just said it comes back to talent and if coaches are forced into a situation where they don't have Elite Talent then I would not bet on oh this Co coach has always had a bell count that out the window you should throw that out the window so freaking fast like history shows us that they they typically will adapt unless they've got and now if they've always had a Bell cow and they leaned on them and they've got someone that looks like a Bell cow back well then you can put two and two together and you can feel pretty good about it but I think what you just gave is really great advice um and that's just for me learning from experience I you know you can't don't overweight like what coaches you know have done in the past you really got to take in the context of what their roster looked like yeah no 100% on that hockey fans the playoffs are in full swing and the fight to 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is hilarious uh to be honest like we are a pool of so-called experts this is something we've known the whole time I mean Josh Reynolds is gone khif Raymond is not an every outside wide receiver Jameson William was Will Williams was their first round pick he's battled through injuries he was he was injured his final season in college and you know late in the season so we knew his rookie year was going to be rough you know and then he obviously had you know the issues last year with the suspension and it's look it it's been a rough ride here's my challenge around Jameson Williams 177% targets per route run last year they did turn to him more and more uh 21% versus Man 18% versus Zone but those are not wide receiver three numbers those are wide receiver four and wide receiver five worthy numbers I think J right now given the fact that you've got uh Aman Ros St Brown and then you've got the emergence of Sam leaport as an absolute stud I just don't know where all of his targets are going to come from and I I honestly like I get the ADP move up like he probably always should have been grouped a little bit closer to some of those other guys but I don't get like the frothiness overall now how everybody's just so willing to click on Jameson Williams I kind I feel the same way I felt about him like a month ago um so I didn't even move him in my ranks I I'm below Underdog ADP now um and I'm fine with where Underdog where the ADP is at like right now he's like around wide receiver 48 48 he's moved up like a full round over the last week I think it's all kind of funny but yeah I think Jameson Williams is the wide receiver he's the third option you know right now for the Lions but he could be like the fourth option we didn't even talk about Jamir Gibbs yet they're gonna try to get him his touches in the passing game as well so I feel like really for things to run right for J he needs an injury to a teammate and even then I don't know that he can unlock it because he hasn't shown us that yet if you want to argue against that I think your argument is well dway he hasn't really had that much time if you add up all the playing time that he got over his first two seasons with all the things that happened you could really be looking at this as just now being year two for him and I think that's a valid argument and he is a former first round pick you know he play for a big program at Ohio State before moving over to Alabama where he played really well uh you know with Bryce young so yeah I'm fine with J I just I i' I've seen some conjecture and like speculation like oh he might be a seventh or a sixth round pick by the time we get to O like no Jameson Williams doesn't deserve to move past like Keon Coleman and Deontay Johnson and all those guys he needs to be going after them like if you want to say he needs to be closer to those players I could get on board with that with the way especially you know with the way with how fast wide receivers go in some of these drafts but I struggle to get to suddenly you know look at J now and think oh my God all of a sudden we've all had this Revelation this is all stuff we already knew yeah no I mean I agree I think it's just hearing it from Dan Campbell's mouth and you know this is the time of year you know this when we grab onto any little morsel of information we can find and a coach especially one who was sort of notoriously hard-nosed and hard-edged and tough guy to say such great things about a player I think everybody just kind of took it and absolutely ran with it but you're right nothing about Jameson Williams situation has changed uh you know before you know since before or after anything that that Dan Campbell had to say but you know we we all we're all it's the same reason these slow motion videos get everybody so frothy you know it's God I saw people the the analysis I saw on the Kyle Pitts downfield catch people loving it some people saying well I don't know if this is so good and I'm like oh my God like come on come on like this is against air essentially let's just let's move along people let's keep going uh speaking of keeping going in Green Bay Packers RBs Josh Jacobs comes over from the Raiders he is now with the Packers they also go and draft Marshon Lloyd and yeah my first thought was well it's gonna be tough for Lloyd to get on the field because Jacobs is a guy who generally does not come off the field at least didn't when he was with the Raiders but as you mentioned the ADP is starting to come down on Josh ja Jacobs so does this mean we think Marshon Lloyd could eek out some more work there in Green Bay yeah I think there's a chance of it I mean when you look at them they're two very different backs you know Josh Jacobs is the guy that's proven that like he can handle the workload he can do everything right he can handle the Dirty Work he can do the short short down and distance he can punch in the touchdowns he can play on passing Downs if you want he can pick up the blitz he's not a great receiver out of the back field but probably a little better than what people give him credit for he's got pretty natural hands not going to work downfield or anything but he's adequate in all areas and he's a guy that has shown that you know he can stay on the field for all that stuff whereas Marshon Lloyd is a guy that never really took over a back field or anything in college but like the moments you saw him on the field even though they didn't always add up to helping his team win like you were just kind of like wow like he made like eight guys miss even though he still lost two yards um and he probably could have gained 20 if he just took the original hole but you still see like that flash of that talent and so Lloyd is one of these guys that maybe with proper coaching like wow like there is some upside there you definitely see the sizzle in his game he's also a guy that was decent out of the back field as a receiver in college we've already heard the coaching staff talking about designing plays for him in the passing game and trying to get to to get him touches so I do think there's a chance and I I was uh you know whenever I did this for Josh Jacobs like I I projected him at 63% you know of the carries which is about as high as will go like there's a few guys that we've got like around 66 67% the way that you know the projection model works like everything gets kind of drug back down if you will towards that LE towards really you know a league regression for what running back ones on their teams have looked like over the last three years so it's hard for anybody to get like super out in front of everybody the way the model Works he's still one of the top guys but he's just one of these guys that hasn't been very efficient Marcus and I think that's what scares people um his explosive rushing attempts that carries of 10 plus yards or more only 4% of his carries last year the league average is N9 and a half per. so that's terrible yards after contact 2.4 The League average is 2.9 so that was terrible Miss tackles Force per attempt 12% The League average is 17 and a half so that was terrible Josh Jacobs was a below replacement level running back if you look at efficiency here's the challenge efficiency isn't always sticky year-over-year it's one of the least sticky things we have now yards after contact Miss tackles Force are typically owned by running backs but you know what the most sticky stat for running backs is volume that's what's so funny we talk about this and we we run ourselves in circles but there's something to certain guys in the league where these coaches just trust them being on the field and if you think about it the whole running backs don't matter it actually works advantageously for a guy like Josh Jacobs because if coaches already know that and really it is just about trust and you look at the contract they gave to Josh Jacobs I think he's going to eventually here have some value I I do agree that he was overpriced like because it was one of those things and Ian was tweeting about a lot which was and he was right why is Josh Jacobs going in round three when Joe mixon's going in round five and Rashad White's going in round five we're talking about inefficient backs that we expect that were just projecting for volume like they should have they're all in the same tier and so there was a misprice in the marketplace so I get the the push down and I had not taken Josh Jacobs any but now I've started taking him now that he's falling just in case it reverses course and goes back up um but but I do think that there is a chance Marshon Lloyd you know is a guy that carves out some uh carries Marshon Lloyd right now is my second most drafted running back so he's one of those guys and again I just want access to the rookies for late in the season Marcus uh we don't know what happens with Josh Jacobs an injury KN we don't want anybody to get hurt but there's a lot of paths to Marshon Lloyd either just carving out more work because Josh Jacobs struggles with efficiency or he gets hurt yeah uh we're never rooting for injuries but we also recognize that it's it's unavoidable they happen they happen to everybody um speaking of Green Bay staying there they've got a very crowded wide receiver Dontayvion Wicks room and it's a group of very young wide receivers all of whom have at various points flashed davien Wicks is a name that has been very interesting I've heard a lot of chatter about him recently can he clear out a path for himself in what is a very crowded wide receiver room yeah I mean on the surface like projecting for wicks was tough um just because like I I I want to give him more but I also know that it's a crowded wide receiver room but the talent profile for Davian Wix is definitely there Marcus I mean we're talking about a 20% targets per route run he had a 2.04 yards per route run so I went back and looked at rookie wide receivers that had played 60% of the team's dropbacks or less so in their rookie season they were a part-time player but they got to a 20% targets per route run and they had a PFF receiving grade of 75 or higher and wow like the list is pretty much all Elite guys that's how you would have found Chris Godwin as a breakout player that would have told you that Tyreek Hill was going to be an awesome player uh yeah Christian Watson was on there hamstrings haven't necessarily cooperated uh for Christian Watson but he's another guy that was on there and there were a few other names but it was essentially a who's who so there's a lot of opportunity here for wicks like I think when you're just project projecting this like out of the gate like I'm projecting Wicks as the wide receiver for but like is are we for sure that he can't overtake Christian Watson are we for sure that he couldn't take away more of a role from Romeo dos are we for sure that you know he he can't you know just carve out a bigger workload period and this this isn't a rotation across four guys that's really equal there's a lot of ways that like Davian Wicks ends up being one of the more valuable picks from the Packers we had Jonathan Fuller from Fantasy Life on just a couple weeks back talking about best ball strategies that was one of the guys like when we asked him hey who are some of the players that you're really targeting later in draft right now he brought up Wicks at that point since then Matt Harmon blew up Don Tavian Wicks a few other people have also blown up Wicks so he he's been a trending name on Twitter so his he's his ADP is up um over a round now over the last basically week and a half uh in bestall draft so you're having to pay more for him but I still like it Marcus I think there's a lot of paths tough to project him as just being a guy that's going to be a starter on week one but you just want to make bets on talent and right now when you look at Wix he's one of the best talent bets that you can make uh basically round 12 plus in your fantasy drafts if you're looking for a wide receiver with upside yeah just so so much talent or at least a lot of guys in that wide receiver room that can all go out and make plays um you know curious to see how this eventually shakes out over the long run but but certainly a lot of guys there that that Green Bay can lean on in Los Angeles and you and I have talked about Blake Corum a couple of times on this Rams RBs show recently and and you sort of mentioned that you what we see from him perhaps in OTAs and training camp determines how much work he can get well the other factor that we didn't really talk about is that Kiren Williams could get hurt he missed OTAs with a foot issue uh you we may not see him again probably until sometime in July or August does this mean that Blake corm has an opportunity to steal some work away from Kiren Williams yeah I think the CH I mean there's a there's a chance for it uh I think the injury news like just over this last week just really reminded everybody of that and so you've seen Kiren Williams just I mean he's falling down draft boards um he's now often falling into round three Marcus is ADP is down to pick 24 overall in these best ball drafts so it it it's something where the market you know is getting out on Kiren I I I look and if you go back and historically you look at running backs with low NFL draft Capital so round three or later that reach 15 plus fantasy points per game in year one or year two and then you look at did they Faire the next year like it's not a great list like you got Alfred Morris um who went to running back 27 after you remember that rookie year you know with Washington um and then you know you keep going through this list and it's just not it's it's not a great list Andre Ellington fell a running back 52 Devonta Freeman he kept on going and he was still good like he was the running back seven you got miles gasin he fell out of favor running back 36 James Robinson you know fell out of favor as well after being a top five running back went to running back 22 Jordan Howard had that good rookie season for Chicago and then he fell to lower running back two territory as well so Isaiah Pacho and Kiren Williams are the two guys from last year that fit this criteria and so like if you look at this list like dvon Freeman like worked out pretty good for the rest of these guys they basically all saw a downturn so not necessarily the kind of profile we really wanted to be buying into but like there's also the names like Arian Foster who fitted this criteria if you go a little further back Marcus and and think about it if Arian Foster had lived in this day of Twitter and fantasy analysis everyone he would have fallen into this bucket and he would have been falling down draft boards and he would have been an absolute steal because that dude went on to just continue to absolutely Smash in fantasy and again like when I look at Kiren the one thing that makes me wonder if like we're just going too far is like how much we love the Rams offense and how well these running back ones to perform for Shawn McVey in the past so I'm at the point now I'm buying Kiren I was not drafting whenever he was at that onew turn but now you're giving me at the two three turn I want to get on in on Kiron and one of the reasons also Marcus I just feel like if you're G to be drafting all the time and drafting this early then one of the things you should be doing is playing these new cycles and there's a chance that all of a sudden we get to training camp kyon's 100% healthy like sea McVey told us he said he's ultimately not worried he thinks McVey he thinks that kirn's ready day one well guess what happens after a week of training camp and they're like Karen's back looks great he's taking all the first team reps and they're like Blake hm's working with the third team what's gonna happen to kyen Williams as ADP it's gonna move back up so I want to get in on it now um I think that Kiren you know if he's falling into the mid third it's just hard for me to pass on him at that point yeah no I mean see that feels a lot more comfortable than where he was going earlier on and so I I think I'm kind of with you on that but uh I will admit I'm still taking some shots at korm well at least in theory I think Corum should be drafting period I think I think there's just a good chance for his ADP to go up uh km is my second most drafted right now I'm look so my running backs oh Maron Lloyd is actually in first now at 29.7% of my teams Blake corm is second at 28.4% so I think you absolutely should be smashing the rookies where they're going right now at ADP and the thing is with Blake Corin what we just said about kirn for some reason kirn does get hurt man Blake corm how are you going to feel like how quickly will we rank him a running back one will we even need to see it will we even need to see him put up a running back one performance or will we just initially rank him that way I know we'll just we'll just throw him in there because that's how I mean that's how we feel about the McVey offense that's how we feel about his running backs I I 100% think that's what's going to happen uh Vikings Passing Game in Minnesota they go out and they get Sam Donald in the offseason they draft JJ McCarthy uh I guess twofold here what should we expect from McCarthy I mean can he win that starting job and what does that mean for Justin Jefferson Jordan Adam and all the rest of those skill position guys yeah so this is the flip side to what we talked about really in Atlanta and it's kind of interesting there's not I think people are a little bit worried about this Marcus because you see Justin Jefferson no longer Justin Jefferson's the best wide receiver in the NFL until proven otherwise last year he was the number one pick in most fantasy drafts so now he's fallen down to pick four or pick five so people are obviously a little bit concerned I think he should go further down than that I I right now I don't see a way and look I still love Justin Jefferson I think I think he's going to be fine in fantasy but I don't see the upside for Justin Jefferson to crush all your hopes and dreams and to suddenly perform like the best player in fantasy land I I think it's going to be really difficult for him to do that so when I just look at the opportunity cost of the other guys going around him I I feel like Bree Hall's ceiling is much higher than Justin Jefferson's this year I think that you can argue the same thing for bean Robinson like these are Elite young running backs I get it folks H you can't take a running back early no these kind of running backs you can these are the next superstars of the position they could overtake Christian mcaffrey this year to go absolute Bonkers talking 350 fantasy points 400 fantasy points that's the kind of thing that's on the table for these guys if it breaks right whereas I think Justin Jefferson you're GNA be fine Marcus I think he's gonna finish up you know historically guys that have gone into the situation that he's going into right now have finished as the wide receiver eight the next season averaging 17 and a half fantasy points per game so again you're going to feel fine 17 and a half fantasy points per game you're gonna feel good about Justin Jefferson but I just don't like clicking on him as that fourth pick and so when I talked about it being the flip side to what we talked about with the Falcons the average rookie quarterback taken before pick 16 going back to 2010 would represent a 64 yard per game downturn versus what we saw from kurk cousins over the last three years and if we go back and we look at the guy guys that fit that category what's funny is Eric Decker is one of them Eric Decker's on the positive list and he's on the bad list um because he then turned around and decided oh I'm Gonna Leave Payton Manning and go play for the Jets bad move Eric Decker he went down like six fantasy points per game the average here's here's the biggest thing with this Marcus like the average that these guys dropped was was between two and a half and three fantasy points per game but the bigger picture is guys that saw this kind of downturn and yards passing per game 88% of them saw a downturn in their fantasy points per game so even the best guys this got to Larry Fitzgerald it got to Julio Jones it got to Stefon Diggs so there have been some really good players in the past that are in the caliber not saying all of them were as good as Justin Jefferson but I just named freaking Julio Jones that went through this sort of thing Larry Fitzgerald was on that list one of the best wide receivers that we've seen in the last 20 years and all suffered they all suffered so I think with Justin Jefferson he's a fine first round pick I just don't want to be taking him in the top four and that just bleeds down to Jordan Addison you know who I think is also overpriced in drafts right now I don't have a lot of Vikings yeah and I and I know what a lot of people will say is I the comment I hear is well look at what Nick Mullins did well guys quarterbacks own a lot of how good they are and if you go back and you look at Nick Mullins and his time with the 49ers this was a guy that averaged between 250 27 yards passing per game he was just never great at limiting turnovers he was always a good yardage per game guy so when I hear people one point to a small sample of only a few games of Nick Mullins last year and then two forget the context of really Nick Mullins from if you just look at him as a yards passing per game kind of guy he's been pretty good over his career there's no guarantee JJ McCarthy comes in anywhere near that in fact if you're projecting JJ McCarthy for anything over 225 yards per game passing you're you're he's an outlier you're going against like historical Trends so that just makes it difficult for me could JJ McCarthy prove all that wrong and be an outlier that throws for 260 270 yards per game yes and if that happens then you're going to wish that you had taken Justin Jefferson potentially number one overall but I feel like it's a pretty Narrow Path Marcus if we're just using you know the averages of History unless you're just you know somehow a better quarterback evaluator than everybody else and you just know that JJ McCarthy is going to be this awesome player and I just don't think we can say right now no I don't think we can say it at all and I don't think that was a consensus even among Scouts and talent evaluators I mean I think a lot of the argument for JJ McCarthy was well this guyy is a winner he's consistently won at every level uh it wasn't he's going to stand back there and rip it for you know 280 you know 300 yards per game so I think that's a real legitimate question for sure with that offense uh over to New Orleans Michael Thomas is there no more uh I I saw this Rashid Shaheed is a mock draft maybe a few weeks ago I know Ian hard took rashed Shahed fairly late and he sort of joked he's like I can't believe I got the Saints wide receiver one this late in the draft um obviously he was tongue and- cheek with that one but now that there is no more Michael Thomas can we see the Rasheed Shahed true breakout in this offense yeah I think there's potential here Marcus but I don't know I I feel like we've seen rased Shahed for a couple of years now I think he's an explosive playmaker there's a lot of different things you can do with him but I don't know that he is going to suddenly turn into this high-end Target earner and that's my biggest concern with him I like him at ADP but last year you know if you look at his Target share 133% 16% targets per route run that didn't necessarily get better once Michael Thomas was off the field so that that's a concern remember Michael Thomas like wasn't a Factor last year down the stretch so rased shahid's actually already had this opportunity he was actually already the wide receiver too for the Saints offense last season down the stretch and he didn't necessarily put it all together I thought he was fine um you know against man coverage he was pretty good 2.05 yards per route run so I mean that that's always a positive when you can show something against man coverage um so I I don't want to say that there's not hope for him but I don't quite get you know the idea that oh wow this guy could really end up being a wide receiver two in fantasy I think like you would feel really good if he ended up being a boom bus wide receiver three meaning one of these guys that like every third week you're glad you had him in his in your lineup the other two weeks not as glad but that one blow up is enough to kind of keep you coming back so it could be along the lines of like a Gabe Davis and how he's kind of you know put us through pain uh over the course of his career knowing he wasn't a great Target earner but you're like well but when he comes through like he has these 100 yard games with two touchdowns I could see Shahed having some of that but he's not attached to Josh Allen he he's attached to Derek Carr so I think about where he's going ADP wise which is wide receiver 55 is about right like if it starts steaming up much past that like he's not going to be a guy that I'm going to have a ton interest in you describe him sort of like my my golf game where I hit I hit a good shot just often enough to like keep me interested uh the rest of it's just nothing but frustration you're gonna put it all together one day Marcus one day you one day it's gonna happen for sure um mik neighbors we've sort of been Malik Nabers joking about you know the whole jiel dones thing and it just seems like every time he makes a comment it just seems like a backhanded compliment and and everybody sort of worried about what he does in this Giants offense is he worth a round three pick in fantasy right now you know this one's really interesting um because the Daniel Jones cap is real like what would you say Marcus like is the highest you would be willing to go on how many yards Daniel Jones can throw four in a season o uh 3,200 I was hoping you'd say 3500 and give I was I was you know I was I almost got there and I'm like H I don't know let's just on the conservative side like if you're if you're projecting Daniel Jones it's hard to project much more than 3200 I I think there's just there's a there's a rose-colored glasses world where maybe we get to 35 3600 um and a lot of that would come from you know Malik neighbors just helping him out um so it makes it difficult because if you go back and you look at the history um of wide receivers that have finished you know that have blown the top off of things you know in fantasy they're typically attached to really good passing games and we know we don't have that here but because there's really not much other Target competition we've got wand Del Robinson you know who's really more of this underneath kind of low a do guy but there's Jaylen hayatt who could become more of a field stretcher but didn't do a lot last year from Target earning ability we've got Darren Waller dude come on like just make your decision side already yeah you're turning everyone against you to where people just don't even want to hear your name anymore like come on man like like what's the deal let's find out if you're going to play or not even with Waller because of all the health issues even if he plays like it's just it feels pretty wide open you know for Malik neighbors so I think he can pay off the ADP where he's at I guess my question is really how much upside is there does he truly offer that wide receiver one upside that I hear some people talking about and look mink neighbors scored really well in the Fantasy Life rookie wide receiver model we were all surprised at how close he graded out to Marvin Harrison um you know who's been you know one of the most highly lotted wide receiver prospects that we can remember in the last last 20 years so Malik neighbors is a really good player it's just a matter of you know what can the Giants offense do I I think on the positive side Marcus Brian Deo has shown uh an ability in the past to really you know get his Playmakers the ball you know and he has shown he's shown an ability to adapt on offense to really do what's right for the player and their skill set so I think that's going to be a good thing for Malik neighbors um can he finish as a wide receiver one I think that's tough taking him in in the round three fantasy drafts I can understand why some people kind of get hesitant about it if you're drafting in a best ball contest like DraftKings where it's full point PPR you start three wide receivers and only two running backs and you have a flex like you just don't have you're gonna have to do it and right now he goes later on DraftKings so I I think it's fine but I don't I'm not overweight I'll tell you that I'm not overweight on Malik neighbors if he was going in round four or five I would be overweight on Malik neighbors but in round three I'm basically saying I don't want to be left out on Malik neighbors but I'm not going to be so in on him that if he if if it's somehow a dud it kills my fantasy season right yeah no I I just I think it's a situation of it's a highly drafted rookie on a team that doesn't have a whole lot of you Alphas at the wide receiver position I think it's just people looking at talent and opportunity and saying hey look maybe it's worth the shot there but uh I look at it and say Daniel Jones makes me a little bit worried so maybe I'm stay away from that one uh last few here uh in Seattle you talked about not liking Shane Waldren Jaxon Smith-Njigba he's out and he goes over to Chicago Ryan grub is in and I know Tyler lockett's getting older but he's a guy who can still give you some things occasionally DK metf is there and of course Jackson Smith in jiga does having a new offensive coordinator mean that maybe we see more opportunities for jsn yeah on one side like of this you look at Ryan grub and you think okay maybe they will throw the ball a little bit more than what we were used to in in the past with Pete Carroll um and then the other thought that I had was well maybe he will use more 11 personnel this is a guy that had Romo dun and Jaylen pulk and Jaylen McMillan and those guys were all really productive at Washington but then I went back and I looked at their route participation and this excludes games that they missed in the games they played Romo dun 94% route participation that's Elite especially in college that's nuts Jaylen pulk 85% that's really good so that's essentially your DK metf and your Tyler Lockett and then jayen MCM the third guy 54% so that was kind of a WP W um now again how much you use 11 personel can be dictated by game strip depending on the way you're thinking about your team so if you get into a situation Washington was a really good team this last year where when you get ahead and you want to run the ball in the second half of games well guess what you're not you're not using 11 personnel for that that's when you start using your two tight ends you use a fullback things like that so that that was GNA that's a factor as well so I don't think you can just just look at these raw numbers and say there's no way but I was hoping that I would see something a little stronger here that would get me excited last year you saw the Seahawks use 11 personnel 63% of the time we talked about that earlier you mentioned it with Shane Waldren that ranked 17th in the NFL so forecasting it right now I think you just kind of have to forecast something similar but we really want to pay attention to this one in training camp and see if there are some nuggets that we can pick up it would make a lot of sense in my mind now that you don't have all of these tight ends on the roster that you used to have like will dley you know being gone uh Colby Parkinson has now moved on and it's more going to be Noah Fant you know as the primary tight end I could see a scenario where the Personnel just kind of dictates Marcus that you're going to run more 11 right you got Noah Fant as your main tight end you don't run as many two tight end sets and that opens things up for jsn but just just something that I really want to monitor in the preseason because I still really like Jackson Smith and jiga I know that the rookie season didn't turn out great but it's under Target earning ability was still right there borderline wide receiver three play with two other really good wide receivers in metf and Lockett so I don't think we want to be out on jsn but definitely need Ryan grub to open up more playing time unlike what we saw with Shane Walder I was always surprised by the number of people who were so down on jsn mostly because I don't think anybody we were all disappointed but I don't think anybody looked at it and said this is a talent thing like maybe we evaluated him poorly I think we all just looked at it and said well situationally the opportunity just didn't materialize the way we would have hoped and so I think the the hope that maybe that changes should be enough to have we want to get that ad up too that that would be the other thing you know and a lot of time you know wide receivers own average depth of Target more than not meaning typically you know how deep you get targeted down the field is it comes back to your talent and last season we don't know how much the wrist injury where you know jsn had that wrist injury in the preseason and he might have been nursing that along through the season season was that a factor um but has averaged up the target of 6.4 like so a yards per game was only 34 like it we'd we'd rather see that number closer to nine or 10 like get in that range of like where you could be in on the Cooper cup SL Aman Ross St Brown between 8 and 10 but right now at 6.4 that was too low so that that was the biggest thing that was concerning is that was that something more to do with the injury or just because they already had Lockett and metf attacking more downfield was that a Shane walren maybe did have a bigger influence on on Jackson Smith and jig's AD dot than what we would want so maybe that's something that grub can help with where we do know that Washington was much more of a vertical uh attacking offense uh with Michael penck yeah um in Tampa Rashad White had a really nice finish to his fantasy Bucs RBs season in part because he was inefficient as a runner so they just turned Those runs into some short passes and we racked up all the PPR goodness because of it but if he remains in efficient running the football Dwayne does this mean that there's a chance for Bucky Irving to get in there and get some more chances yeah I think the opportunity is there I think you know Bucky Irving is a guy that you should definitely be taking later in fantasy drafts like and he goes after a lot of the other he goes multiple rounds later than Marsha Lloyd he goes multiple rounds later than Blake korm so he's a guy that you definitely want to mix in um but again like volume year-over-year is the most sticky things for running backs not their efficiency even the efficiency metrics they that they quote unquote own like yards after contact and Miss tackles Force volume is still more sticky to them year over years so a lot of the coach speak that we have been hearing it does sound like they have expectations for Rashad white to improve and it seems like they've kind of got some bulleted things for him that dude you've got to be better in these areas and anytime you hear something like that and then you match that up with the fact that he was a little he was inefficient 2.5 yards after contact 2.9 is the league average 14 % Miss tackles Force per attempt League averages 17 and a. half% so he was below the league in both of those and then explosive Rush rate which again carries of 10 plus yards or more 8% The League average is nine and a half percent so you could say he was a below replacement level back in those categories still was good to your point as a receiver out of the back field so and he was a better receiver in college than Bucky Irving so don't I'm not going to get on the hype train of some of the stuff that I've heard where oh Bucky Irving is actually going to take away the passing down duties I don't think so I think Rashad w probably locked into those but could he lose some of the Carries On The Ground like I think that could happen but I feel pretty good about where Rashad right where Rashad white is priced right now in drafts him and Peko are pretty pretty close you know they're Peko goes closer to the end of round four now whereas Rashad white more of a round five guy Marcus so don't know what your thoughts are but Bucky Irving I don't think scares me enough to be like oh my God like Rashad white should be going in round seven or eight I think he's probably priced about right I'm not going after every draft but I start a lot of drafts uh my first five picks are wide receivers and a tight end and a quarterback and like anytime Rashad white or one of these other guys falls into round six like or Joe Mixon like I like I don't even question it like I'm taking them in that spot no I'm with you on that I'm not I'm not really worried about Irving uh at this point I mean he's a guy that I've taken some shots at late in drafts or whatever but I'm not I don't look at him I don't look at him the way I look at Blake Corum potentially you know in Los Angeles Maybe on Williams I just don't feel the same thing about Irving uh in Tampa this year uh last one over to Washington Washington's new regime where they have changed a lot of different things new head coach new offensive coordinator new starting quarterback they bring in Austin Eckler at the running back position there are I mean we probably could have done a whole show on Washington because Dwayne there are depth chart batt maybe we should just save this and do a whole Commander show next week so many depth chart battles there I mean I mean I don't know just obviously we know who the coach is we know who the OC is we know who the quarterback but like running back wide receiver tight end uh there are question marks in a lot of those positions yeah it sounds like they want Robinson and Eckler to be the kind of Tandem that you know we we hear about a lot right one of the guys being more between the tackles handle handling the early down stuff it sounds like they want that to be Robinson with Eckler handling more of the passing down work but Eckler is a guy that's shown Us in the past Marcus he can handle that dirty work as well and we know he was playing with an injury last year I know a Eckler is up there in age but I will say these receiving backs do age more gracefully than your typical just early down back so if something were to happen to Brian Robinson or if he were to play inefficient and Austin Eckler's injury was a bigger component of why he didn't look as good last season I think there's a world where Eckler could take over this backfield and I think I'm kind of I'm the opposite of the market it seems like most people are leaning more to Brian Robinson and I get it he's the younger player but if I think of a world where one of them Marcus suddenly we wake up and we're in week five and we're like oh my God I can't believe I have this guy in my roster I got so lucky I still think it's Eckler because he's shown us he can do it all Brian Robinson's never going to turn into a great passing down back not happening Austin Eckler could take over the early down work and we know he can handle the passing down duties now the odds are less because he's getting older but that's all priced in you know to a round 10 pick so Eckler's a guy that uh I I do take from time to time um Brian Robinson I take a little bit less Le I mix them both together I don't pretend to know which one is going to be worth more in fantasy but I do feel like the ceiling case is still bigger for Eckler I I don't know what your thoughts are on that on that one I me I think it is I will say that I I have leaned to the side of Robinson more often than that just because my my concern is so much of Eckler's value not all of it but a large chunk of it was his pass catching ability you know when things break down in this offense is Jaden Daniels going to dump it off to Austin ekler is he going to take off and run that is kind of a concern to me more than anything but I am certainly with you on the fact that uh Brian Robinson is not going to catch the ball the same way I remember was it last year year before um Ron Rivera made the comment that they want to use him as a Christian mcaffrey like back or whatever and it at that point it sort of clicked to me that basically for Ron Rivera anytime a running back catches the football they become a Christian mcaffrey like I'm like I get it you had him in Carolina I know but not all pass catching running backs are sort of built the same um you Brian Robinson's certainly not that guy but I could definitely see a path where Eckler sort of retains a lot of that value and if they decide to lean on one guy it could be him because as you mentioned he is more of a do-it-all player there in Washington um very curious how Cliff kingsburry handles a guy like Austin Eckler too and what he decides to do with him there um I think that's interesting some of the other question is just some of these other battles right like Jan doson has been a major disappointment um after finishing you know his his first season pretty strong even even though a lot of his underlying Talent metrics weren't great like he had a good fantasy finish but last year was really bad um and an offense that threw the ball a ton and I know you know Sam how ended up not being great but like from fantasy perspective like if you would have told me that the commanders would have a guy that could come out and have them on Pace to throw for 4,500 yards I would have been in on Jan doson and he's still stunk so like you got him versus Luke mcaffrey who's a guy that's really still transitioning from playing quarterback in college um you know he has hasn't been playing receiver that I know he's got that last name you know of uh of Christian and as well as you know speaking of your your mcaffrey comp there uh and you know his dad Ed Ed mcaffrey for the Broncos was a uh you know he was a beast back in his day but that's kind of wide open and then you've got Zack Ur vers uh Ben sonat and like as much as I like Senate he's not he wasn't a great tight end in college he was an okay tight end in college and a really bad tight end class he was never a super high-end Target like what we saw from leaport uh what we saw he he was more on the Musgrave on the Musgrave scale is where I would put you know sonat and then you've got Zack Herz and him battling so one other thing that could work out for Eckler is if none of that works out even though to your point Jaden Daniels is the guy getting more you know just taking off more there could be more design work for rostin neckar in the passing game because he he has shown Us in the past that he's not just a checkdown guy like you can really work him against the linebackers and safeties a little further down the field so that could be another potential out for Eckler but I I I think you're right on the concern around Jaden Daniels we've seen historically that the scrambling quarterbacks do cap that upside for uh for the receiving uh aspect of uh a lot of these backs yeah um I want to get in I want to get excited about Senate I just you know sort of watching what he did at Kansas State he was definitely more of an h-back kind of a a blocking guy too that they would throw the ball to occasionally um I'm just not sure what his receiving upside is going to be in the NFL I've been very very hesitant uh when it comes to drafting him so far his ADP is too high at this point uh like Senate like when it first started Rising it was fine like hey get some I think at this point he's really tough to click on if you don't have Jaden Daniels like if you have Jaden Daniels that's your time to make it mix in some exposure but if you're just drafting in a vacuum and you're drafting a redraft team I'm not really that interest unless it's tied in premium and then you're just taking swings anytime exactly uh but yeah I I think the rookie tight end thing is going to be tough and and SS is good enough to hold him off um now maybe Senate maybe you're maybe you're thinking oh well commanders are going to stink and Senate by the end of the season is the guy that they just want to give it over to similar to what you saw the Cardinals do with Cliff kingsberry who's now the OC yeah you know they saw we saw that with Trey McBride you know in his rookie season around middle of the year they kind of turn it over to McBride and they sent SS uh you know to the bench and and that could be what happens here yeah um wait and see I'm I tend to be hesitant I'm a little bit out on Senate uh at the moment that was a beefy show we had a whole lot to get to with the the depth charts and you know some of the stuff is going to continue to be fluid certainly as we get to training camp and and all those sorts of things of course uh you can go over to Fantasy life.com you can check out our rankings you can check out all the fantasy content and sports betting content that we have over there sign up for the newsletter while you are there as well that's a good spot for us to take a pause for the week shout out to James Lynch as always for putting this whole thing together for us that'll do it for this edition of the utilization report debrief for Dwayne McFarland I am Marcus Grant thanks for hanging out with us everybody enjoy the week we'll talk to you again real soon

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