Donald Trump Backlash, Charles Woodson Winning Heisman Over Peyton Manning + Almost Retiring Early

Intro Starts a period in there where I was like damn I don't I don't even want to play football anymore you know what I'm saying so at at Green Bay yeah when I when I first got there and I first signed you know I I I I called a few people who are close to me and I was like yeah I think I'm I think I'm hang it up the gates Li langu B memory no simple precedent and I know it's true ladies and gentlemen welcome to another episode of bus with the boys with this week we have Charles Woodson on here and we can skip to that Mitchie does a great job of putting time stamps in there so you can jump to it but if you are tier one if you're a tier 2 looking to be a tier one and you want to hang out with the boys we get to do a lot of stuff we obvious talk about our weekend at UFC 299 we were there since Wednesday we do interviews with Shan Ali and Cheeto Vera before the fight you can see that before the boys were very wrong about picking Cheeto Shawn is a true champion you will get into all of that we talk about free agency that's literally happening as I'm saying right now so when you're viewing this we're filming this on Monday when you're viewing it on Tuesday a lot of stuff's already happened but as we're doing this interview or this podcast there are a lot of information coming in uh the the entire time so it's an amazing time of year for the NFL man this is like a fun time to see boys get paid guys like Chris Jones guys like Baker Mayfield uh Michael Pitman from the Colts it's a very cool time so enjoy this we hit our shout out nree shout out we hit our dad segment a lot of fun stuff to look forward to we hope you guys enjoy we also hope you subscribe you unsubscribe you resubscribe have some comments hack this algorithm and let's keep making this thing grow more and more and it's all because of you guys thank you let's get right into this episode um let's go to the start of the episode which is brought to you by the Chevy Silverado listen boys the Chevy silado is has 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looks like he can still play looks like he can still play has a good attitude about him too right he we'll get into all that in a little bit the boys just Miami UFC Recap got back from Miami Florida you see a little pink little pink tinge I got a little I got a little color out there how your shoulders I was playing it up right oh you're in a way better spot than me I am gotta get those got get them time intervals right man I got out of the sun you know what I mean I spent probably 45 minutes to an hour kind of switching my positions a little bit it was good it smart like I'm going to go ahead I'm going to go ahead and get out of here you've always been a tactical individual what I fell into was the uh the cheers of my skin tone by you and JP talking about oh you guys don't burn like us and I I let it get to my head I sat there a little too long you've also said I don't burn like you've no no no no no no that's not true that's actually not a real thing I said when I was Shing for the combine I went through a whole thing of I don't burn but I burn like the rest of them I actually said a few times that you are have been tanner than me throughout the winter process and my my skin tone is not as great as people make it out to be people being you no what I said I didn't say that I said I would choose your skin tone over my skin tone because you tan way easier and better than I do right and I I let it get to my head a little bit I know uh yeah like there I know that there are past episodes where you've talked about tanning and you don't rock sunscreen because you're like I don't really burn I don't rock foundational bur I don't I don't rock a sunscreen for the first 20 minutes I think that's a key thing if you want to get a tan 20 minutes pure no condom in the sun type of Vibes and then once 20 minutes is hit you you lather it on because you want to keep the skin at least not turning into what it's turned into on my shoulders now how was your week in Miami did you enjoy it yeah I thought the week was great in Miami we got shout out number one shout out to uh UFC for allowing us to come allowing the boys to come in uh to the to the hotel where they were kind of Hosting everything we got to sit down and do those interviews which I hope all you guys out there enjoyed with sha Ali and Cheeto ER but I thought the weekend was all time we got to hit we got to hit the hotel what was nice about it is we're out there a few days but there's like one thing a day so we also had like some extra time where we got to hit the rooftop we went and looked like shoes on the beach for a quick minute we went to bacon [ __ ] which was a fun little neat experience um where all the servers they just call you [ __ ] the entire time so you're playing back and forth like oh you don't listen do you [ __ ] yeah like it's like a Dick's Last Resort go there and you're kind of you know you're going to get actually I didn't think we were going to get made fun of until she walked up calling us [ __ ] yeah it threw me off for a second she's like I'm your main [ __ ] today yeah don't talk to my side [ __ ] thinking what Happ us all into getting doubles with the Bloody Mary she's like JP ordered his bloody mary she's like a vodka or tequila I think did you did you go vodka even went vodka she was like uh you want a single or double come on don't be a [ __ ] so J's like all right double and I was like yeah double I'll take a double too they do a good job at that man and the food was good too food was good but nothing was better than that beastro Cafe we went to four days in a row it seemed like that place is unbelievable also big news for me I had to find out to a Cuban waiter that carne assada is not steak yeah that was uh I thought carada was steak as well I'm dumb and ignorant I'm I'm stupid and for those of you following bus scenes or whatever or you know I'm I'm on dualingo okay so I'm learning Spanish right now and I sat there and I looked this man in the eyes I said hey last time I got this little alet I came up pork can I get the carada can I get steak and he could just see his eyes man like I'm might have to tell this white boy that this is carada is steak and he he did it he did it and he did it well too he did it gracefully and thankfully it was only JP there to see see my downfall because it was a tough deal for me yeah tough but delicious food bacon was incredible it little sweet sauce on there too yeah one thing that I obviously the interviews which you guys can go back and watch it's obviously leading into UFC 299 but it's a good watch anyway to see the mindsets of these guys going going into the fight I like you after those fights felt like Cheeto was mentally in a better space than Shawn like sha to me and and JP brought up a good point was like he Shawn was cutting much more weight than Cheeto Cheeto seemed more more present more like in the moment just seemed like he was on a d like a he was on his Destiny to go and get the title and Shawn kind of came in like mentioned the food mentioned that he was cutting weight you could tell he was like worn out from doing ESPN and First Take and all these different media days so when I walked away from those things I was like I think Cheeto got this I think Cheeto is g to show that this wasn't a fluke and kind of kind of rode with that the man Sean Ali put on an absolute clinic on Saturday night like literally at no point was he truly in a blender like there was one one or two times that Cheeto kind of got him in the corner but even then like nothing really hit flush it was all kind of him ducking and moving around all of cheetah's hits and Shawn was truly incredible it's a fight you walk away from going hey is there really anybody that can actually take that man down is the sugar era really it might be an actual decade yeah tactically he just moved so well like anytime that uh Cheeto was trying to like close space he could never like maintain that closure like Sean always did a great job like getting out of everything and just keping him at Bay with all those low kicks utilizing the jab I mean the when Cheeto did not go down from that knee in the second round you hear it even on the TV cut and it is way louder like it's [ __ ] nuts that sho's never been knocked down like should have been dead should have been dead I'd still be laying on that canvas right now in the second round it got squirly for a second cuz the first and the second round Cheeto went down but went down cuz he like slipped or his his footing was off yeah at the end of the second round Cheeto started to go down and then sha like took advantage and like got him on the ground and then as the the Bell was ringing he pointed at like I got you down you can see him mouth like I got you down which you know he won the fight so it's like I don't know if that really counts as a knockdown or what you know more about how the wrestling rules are yeah I think it's just like you know it's just sugar was in a or sugar sha om Ali was in a different he's just in a different league as far as skill goes like again and not taking anything away from Cheeto but it is just he like because Cheeto fought like a good fight he's doing a lot of stuff kind of like down the middle not really pressing him a whole lot because Shawn does a great job fighting backwards so he was like trying to stay patient and picking shots but again like Shawn's length and everything else he just had a tough time when he would push the pace trying to get him back against the Octagon like Shawn always did such a good job of moving laterally yeah to never be in those situations he really it really was objectively looking at the fight Shawn was a few steps ahead of Cheeto at all times the the time that Cheeto could have had him if it's like if that uh if that shot to the gut would have came just a little bit sooner because he had him for a minute kind of like trying to figure stuff out little disoriented you could tell it knocked the ear out of him a little bit but dude Sean it was impressive to watch the prision the accuracy the way that when cheetah would come in with a flurry of shots it just seemed like everything was just kind of scraping the eyebrow scraping the cheek like nothing ever hit flush and it was just insane to watch especially that close and in in that kind of Arena and just before that seeing the co-main event see F yeah the fight of the night Dustin porier versus St Diaz s benois St Pierre now the little background on this St Pierre or St St Dennis I thought I thought s Denise St Denise Denise benois St Denise so that was awesome yeah so those of you who don't really know the background these guys we were kind of following the bouncing ball as we were going throughout the week this St Denise guy has never fought past two rounds he's always put put dudes down in two rounds and the word on the street was that poier would not take this fight unless it was a five round fight yeah these guys get in there porier comes in which is the funniest part is this kid named Zade who's been throwing bets out to me for a while um You' you've heard on slip and picks he's like 18 and two with me and he sends me the this list of things Dave got us all murdered godd us all murdered da gets his picks from Jersey Jerry come to find out jersey Jerry got his picks from Zade I got my picks from Zade so essentially me and Jerry are The Messengers for Zade to whoever wants him didn't Quint Nelson get in Quint Nelson got in yeah he L texted me [ __ ] Jade after that uh Alam guy Almeida Almeida he ended up losing right cuz he was he was winning the whole time and that dude ended up being him real quick caught him so as we're getting into the St Denise porier fight Dave texts Jerry and says hey give me Paige the kid that was coming from Bellator for the first time in the fight which put on I thought he had very cool star power bouncing around hands down the whole time it was a very cool fact to watch Dave thought he had him but he spelled Bellator wrong and JY Jerry took it as okay he wants the St Denise guy which sucks because we're all sitting here like first off America and then the second thing is is like Po is like a legend there was a rumor I believe you you told me the rumor he might have put the gloves down the minute the fight was over so there's this whole like nostalgic like man everybody in the building wants porier to wh because they've misspelled right he's like bellore and Jerry was like uh do you mean yeah do you mean this guy benois yeah and Dave just a bad beat for Dave because he's like okay I already I got you I got you locked in on benois yeah and so we go in when we go in they go into the cage and poier he his corner is an our is on our side where we're sitting he turns around locks eyes with Dave pornoy and goes we [ __ ] got this we got this is not a this is not a joke he goes we [ __ ] got this we got this we're gonna lay him out I look at Dave I go that's crazy I was yeah like I want I want to lose 20 grand now and the whole fight poier I mean it went what three rounds right it went into the third did it go into the third or was it the second it might have been the end of the second I don't I thought it was the third but I guess we can probably look it up yeah we could look it up yeah round two yeah halfway through round two the whole fight por is truly putting himself in danger the entire time go just going for the guillotine yeah the jumping Guillotine or whatever that there's been a bunch of content about it where his his team was like stop doing that and he was like no I'm gonna keep doing that did you see the meme he tweeted so funny he was like Dustin poier holding the hand of what was the caption for not the one he looked back on uh oh yeah the got the people next to him something like he was like looking back at the nice ass and the nice ass had go for another Guillotine or go for the guillotine yeah here it is yeah the game game plan the game plan looking back at the sexy one Guillotine choke because he just kept going for the guillotine which like what JP you were talking about it when you go for the guillotine choke and you don't get it you're giving up your back every time so he's in a bad situation with benois who's like he's a you could tell he's like a heavy 175 cat like wide back strong strong leg it's a guy who fines youly so you're just giving up your to this if you don't get the guillotine every time he tried what four times yeah I think like four tried it four times to me that's like where the biggest difference in like top five Fighters and everyone else is like I mean porier outclassed him hard like porier is legit just trying to get a guillotine in a fight against a dude that has never he's only finished guys and all poier wants to do is just jump and grab a GE and it's kind of like all right it's not happening fast enough let me just knock him out real yeah dude cuz he did kind of in the first round sise kind of did have him right throwing he won that round pretty handily yeah he won that round and so but that was what was anticipated kind of like he come out if you weather the storm you take him into the later rounds yeah that's where uh got got to run into the storm even that hook man he just does such a good job of like staying poised when he was like cuz you're kind of in a situation just kind of Swinging with somebody and then you just kind of come out of it keep kind of that composure keep your guard up and come around with a hook boing and connect for's boxing is crazy cuz people will be putting it on him it looks like they're putting it on him and he's just rolling with them and just in this fight it's like he didn't even throw a massive like winding punch it was just a kind of like yeah kind of like coming out of like a counter or something God it was it was it was impressive that was like the moment of the night that like uh I don't remember when we were in Michigan and there was that fight that you and I it was like my first sports ever and we were in the Brown Jug like that moment we're all jumping up and down it was a very similar feeling to that where you just see like he starts to get that St Denise guy on his like on his heels he's about to finish him and we're like literally standing up like now flooding to the the cage like this is like an insane moment the atmosphere was crazy insane dude it was unbel atmosphere was crazy and what a a solid night with the boy day Forno yeah treated us to casadona which beautiful establishment amazing service great food great scene great people The View was incredible you walk out you see the water beautiful boats driving by yeah just incredible there's not one there's maybe one bad thing you can say about that place what would it be when you when you're outside you need to go to the bathroom I had to walk upstairs to go to the bathroom it would have been nice just to have a bathroom on the floor but they probably didn't build that building all that being said a strong 4.5 strong 4.5 strong 4.5 food was great here's what I would have liked more food on the table you so I thought we ate the right amount we every the right amount did you eat too too much as well or because it was you and Dave oh you're saying you're saying it didn't get you're saying it didn't get the Y I thought there was two like two set setups of everything when the F came out there was one fillet and it was like a what 8 oz filet took half that hang on no no time out he put the fork no no no no no I had one bite that fet I had one bite of that Fila cuz I thought the fish was must been full that thing was hey because when I looked at the filet on there it was like I saw will take his piece I'm like dang so then I cut my little thing in half because Dave hadn't had any yet so I had one bite on the fork I just picked it up because it was cut in the fort right here I thinking like oh damn did y'all eat too much or something you're just think I know you ate like a king wow that's why we order the sandwich cuz you know you know me I'm not a big like white fish guy like I don't get like a fish ENT I thought that fish there was incredible I know you had two three bites I did okay I Hader I had three bites of the fish I had three bites of one bite steak JP was like Hey Taylor have you had a bite yet I'm like no this is all in the other side table I like no I haven't he brings me over this little tiny like please sir man have some M types you he me down on the end Hey Taylor you got to try this fish manom bro you were shoveling that in your mouth I was just sitting in the car I was like man it was on me I picked the wrong seat I went to sit at that little you did sit at like the even when we all started to sit down I'm thinking why is they sitting at like the head yeah I got a weird thing about I don't know I don't want to get into my weird thing about restl I got all weird things you brought that up this week I got a lot of weird things but in restaurants especially I got this one deal but um it was gas though I'm happy you enjoyed it I promise I only have one bite of that steak no you know how big your bites are bro you're yeah but I didn't like you acting like I cut the whole thing was like I thought you were going to choke I watched you take that bite and I was like man he might it was close to half no that is insane it wasn't it wasn't quite half speak your truth I know how much I have remember when I saw the bite and I cut it I was like oh this is great medium rare that's awesome I was like this a great medium rare cut I wonder if Taylor's going to eat some cuz I know you like more medium well yeah I like medium but I I a medium rare steak is like unreal especially a filet I'm a big filet guy I was fired up to sink my teeth into that that thing was so soft pasta man Dave and because there's two pastas that came out pasta came you you guys had like a third like two-thirds of your pasta gone two of the pastas came out yeah two the pastas came you guys Smack That pasta we JP had to strategically switch your guys' plates so we can get more pasta saying y'all had the pasta down on that end we were out there fighting for our lives there three people here that were hungry leaving the dinner and one person that wasn't hey what's crazy is we're getting the sandwiches and well I'm straight it's 3:00 a.m. I was hungry I was hungry for that sandwich I'm just thinking like I got I got to try and fall asleep which was a struggle trying to go out yeah yeah well we should are we good with the UFC talk is there any a lot of people there I think the Logan Paul was there Donald Trump Photo Jimmy hey we're getting destroyed we yeah yeah we well I know I am but that's just because proba am too that's just because I just go back into the Batters box like yeah I I I you get a moment you need to read the the quote tweets on mine in in the comments like what are they saying like this this picture's worse than I want to pay attention to this stuff more often they got like a Hitler photo it's like this one's worse than this one it's worse than this one the the racist Avengers which that's funny funny funny funny is funny yeah funny is funny right this November yeah the Trump stuff is wild to me man I know I I I need to be able to maybe I just need to H the White House was like hey can I get a y'all mind if I get a photo with sleepy Joe up there you posted a phot bro yeah with Max people are going crazy so I'm like you know I wanted to have more fun with it and be like hey y'all I think I said uh that's funny that is funny uh like y'all have me all wrong I'm just posting photos with me and all my black friends back then I just throw Max in there because you know the culture claims Max the culture does claim Max which you know Max loves yeah he he loves that loves that and I had to put up uh our intro to slips and picks like people forget I brought on Delaney some say I'm a huge Ally to the uh cookout community and it's Delaney in the video be like uh Theodore Roosevelt with diversity Theodore Roosevelt Theodore Jenkins Theodore Jenkins Theodore the MU Jenkins with diversity yeah I mean it's dude it's wild and the whole this is what I you take a picture with the president and you're and you're a racist that's that's a crazy thought to me these are the days that get me out of bed yeah nightmare blunt rotation oh hey man yeah I got I got to look at those sometimes I'll just post the photo and I'll just keep moving I'll just keep it moving after that I need to figure out the I need to have I enjoy the the fun yeah I enjoy the fun absolutely you're great at it too yeah I that's I gotta find you know what when you said you're posting photos of your black friends I'm thinking I gotta I wonder if I have photos of black friends I don't know if you do I got Delany I got Derrick Henry yeah yeah I got some I got some photos black friends yeah yeah saffold yeah I got black friends guys you got a couple friends yeah yeah yeah yeah you got a couple got enough I got enough to be considered an ally yeah who's less racist will or Taylor just post post the photo of Taylor when he had that buzzed head oh my rookie ear yes a rookie year oh man crush him the mustache doesn't do me any favors either yeah you know what you get do man people forget that I'm part Mexican like they don't they forget that I am a minority but the 23 and me is that Trace everybody back to Africa the best yeah it's all you need it's always it's the greatest thing that that company's ever did for anybody yeah so yeah actually had a good joke during his standup with that remember on like talking about his piece or something like that and he was anyway he was able to bring it in 23 and me which was hilarious because everyone um is like in that same head space when they see that everything Trac is is back there mhm Ro yeah he had big dick joke in Vegas something like that yeah I know I laughed I know I had a good chle I wonder if he does or not you know sometimes he's a shorter cat yeah he's probably got like a stout he's got a muscular one for sure yeah he's got built like him yeah DraftKings the thrilling excitement of March Mania is here and draftking Sportsbook one of America's top rated Sportsbook apps is giving new customers a shot to turn five bucks into $150 instantly in bonus Bets with any college basketball bet that's right boys to celebrate College basketball's most frenzy time of the year DraftKings is giving new customers a shot to rack up some bonus bets download the draftking Sportsbook app and use code bus that is BU us new customers can bet five bucks to $150 instantly in bonus bets only at draftking Sportsbook with code bus Bu The Crown is yours Nebraska might [ __ ] around and get in the tournament too hash DK Partners yeah yeah Michigan's just a football school man aren you aren't you all solid in hockey yeah we're solid in hockey we're good in hockey I think we're good in you good at Bas softball team for for a while was good I don't know much about the baseball team we were we were baseball team was bad when I was there I think they're better now good hired Michigan Michigan's coach it's hard to play baseball in the midwest isn't it what do you mean it's Is Michigan Considered The Midwest? cold don't mean anything I just remember baseball and like in Arizona growing up it's like baseball is a year round event you can't do that in Michigan fall ball well you said you said the Midwest Michigan's like North bro Michigan is I don't the Northeast man you guys are like the you guys are like the Middle East listen it's of the country by everyone else's standards right now it is is considered the midwest Michigan is yeah yeah I would disagree I disagree with that I mean that's what people that's what people say it is it's but I I think the majority say welcome to the Midwest when you get to Michigan Midwest they say welcome to the Great Lakes that's Minnesota wait is it the thought Michigan surrounded by the Great Lakes no well there yeah they have a bunch of lakes however is there Minnesota is the Land of 10,000 Lake excuse me what's Michigan's Mantra welcome to the Great Lakes hold up I didn't see that what is what is Missouri welcome to the Midwest the show me state yeah so what do you like that we're talking about the Midwest you're saying that's Missouri's more way more Midwest than Michigan I think it's all like big like I think I'm pretty sure most of those flyover states are just kind of clumped together as the Midwest yeah like what's what's Nebraska Midwest or the Great Plains or something like that I'm pretty sure Illinois is the Midwest also yeah Illinois has yeah Illinois feels like uh the Midwest will you pull up Midwest and just the the how many states are in the midwest oh we're in the west north central well yeah but that's clumped in your division is West North Central but we're in the midwest conference we've had this you snuck in you snuck in yes yeah yeah We snuck I made a map made a map and I feel like we should have a middle east and the the Middle East took that away from us yeah they made it are we able to find my map you think probably look you remember how you I'll be able to get you the photo but if we could talk if if we were able to pull it up yeah because when you did oh hold on Will Compton you go oh there it is this is it like that yeah I remember seeing this a while back and thinking this is good this is well done yeah you guys are in the Middle East yeah I I I'll Coast Northeast East Coast Southeast South Southwest West Coast Pacific North this is interesting right here getting all the way up here with the Southwest just because you got Nevada it feels more like a like an Arizona mhm yeah no for sure I almost feel like half of Tennessee should be in the Southeast from east of Nashville over kind of like how Tennessee has Central Time and Eastern time yeah really that's where it should be is the line split they should just redo the state lines yeah yeah yeah make it a little more organized Islands he got the islands why be called Hawaii I love that yeah Southeast South Alaska's beyond the [Music] wallic yeah like honestly all this is great yeah it's all great I think that's a it's a Well Done Deal but anyway yeah so yes we play baseball in Missouri I know y'all play baseball in Missouri I'm saying it's got to be it's got to be harder to play in the midwest Middle East whatever we had a tough ball Club growing up I'll just leave tough good or Little League Baseball Stories tough bad tough good really tough ball Club growing up expect man it's our show so in one of the World Series because I know there are many um when we were 13 maybe 12 13 we were third in the gold division o we're talking National we were we we were power ranked number one in the state for a short period of time I was in the gold division in dualingo last week but now I'm in the sapphire division so what is like what's the highest division Platinum Platinum gold silver bronze okay so all right so we're probably top 10 in the gold no no an overall how many how many teams check this out though check this out hold on hold on check this no no let's unpack the you said top 10 but you're in a division below the top dogs how many teams are in I can't remember okay that was a while ago so you're willing but I'm assuming what six places all right okay all right go ahead check this out so top 15 so my check this out moment is uh 10 years old our 10y old All-Star team coming out of Missouri wipe districts who wipe go undefeated in state we go to uh regionals where it's played out uh um in Iowa Field of Dreams when the region they don't have uh like it was the Cal Ripken league I don't know if you guys are familiar with the Cal Ripken league but they don't have like you know Little League World Series where it's like nationally televised they didn't have a Little League World Series for the 10-year old division 11 and up is when it started so we got the red carpet rolled out for us we were at the World Series they treated us to the World Series they didn't tell us there was a World Series until after we won Regional but talking smalltown Missouri ball Club tough representing Missouri winning the region let me ask you this where were you in the lineup I bat four bat four center field really yeah so you were Bo a Top Dog on a top team your boy was nice your boy was nice I could play some baseball what made you get away from baseball brother a lot more money than that I don't know so going into like high school you know was like baseball does start to get all year round it wasn't a seasonal thing and everybody always took it so serious like oh if you're going to go on this team hey this team's now going to have a fall ball team and then it started to get kind of mixed up with playing in the summertime football one and me on their uh on their varsity 7 on seven team as a freshman so and I would I had to kind of choose between football and baseball and then I kind of just fizzled out of I didn't play school ball when it was when it was a time for baseball I I had ran track and then after my freshman year I basically got out of everything and just went football until my parents forced me to wrestle my junior year or I'd be grounded or I'd be grounded yeah which we've gone down that before that's so good you got out of baseball I mean it's great to be in baseball but when you have to pay between baseball and football yeah I do wish I would have played school ball like I I wish I would have played the sports I wish I played more Sports in high school I Lally just played football yeah they wanted me to do so much more I know man those were the good old days those were the good old days long gone you know what I mean Mitch you should have played uh you should have played school ball to see how how good you guys would have been growing up I know CU North County was was was fairly decent in uh baseball but would have should have could have man you're exactly where you need to be babies and memories now that's it ain't nothing but babies and memories you want to talk some NFL headlines yeah you want to reminisce on any old Sports guys yeah I'm sure no I was think about my baseball team I was we were asked though I played on the silverhawks at 12 we were like a triaa like the highest division baseball team I think we won two games but you kind of hated baseball right cuz that high that high Chin Music you weren't you ain't trying to get hit yeah I wasn't trying to get hit then for sure that was kind of the end the fear of the ball ended my career that's that's what I didn't want that's why I quit hockey too that's why I quit football the first time really yeah no I didn't know you had quit football once yeah I was uh in third grade I was a corner on my team fastest K on the team that's where they just put you outside the box just put him out there oh yeah they don't throw it in third grade no joke though I liability I hawked down I was Hawking down cats yeah any time a Big R run broke my dad would say Taylor and I look at him he go get him like all right I just go tackle him but any sort of contact I was like I'll give me the [ __ ] out of here quit that and then hockey I was kind I was nice at hockey and then I was playing uh mites or mini mites and the next year was Peewee and PeeWee is when checking is in introduced to kids and I was trying out for this travel team and I I kind of had hands and as like the whistles blowing some kid who I think in my head was 68 at the time probably was like shorter than me hits me and I fall down I was like done I do not want to play this sport anymore such a [ __ ] growing up dude damn and then uh I went to play football the next year and they wanted me to be the they wanted me to be the quarterback because I was like the fastest kid and then I was like getting tackled and I was like I got to get the [ __ ] out of here man and my grades were bad so they're like all right he's done can't can't ex the read option the only reason why I was put back into football is because of my legal issues coming out of middle school you're put back in because you're like hey like hey you have to do something so you stay out of trouble yeah my dad was like Hey if you're gonna get in this much trouble you're playing football next year that's smart I remember I have I told the story it was like July in Arizona in the middle of the day we were at Cactus Shadows and Chad deg grer was the head coach and they were putting us through drills and I was like this like Mike from Monsters Inc like body style kind of like running around skinny arms skinny legs kind of little round belly and figuring out um dying I go to my dad go I quit I'm done and my dad's like all right go tell the coach I'll be in the car and I saw this dude standing there had a visor on tucked in just looking at looking like like the the ultimate Apex uh yeah the ultimate Alpha ever Chad to grer and I just couldn't do it I couldn't quit so I like my dad waited in the car for like an hour and a half and I came in after the drills and I was so mad then I played we went 8 and0 nice next year I moved up to Varsity to play nose tackle went 15 and0 and we won State and then after State I was like oh I want to play football that's like when it all switched for me how many times you went State once but I went to state twice ah no my senior year we went to State played at uh as so you went your freshman year and then your senior year I went my sophomore year I went my senior year both at that same at the same school or no no so my first three years was like Cactus Shadows in cap Creek my last year yeah so we went to State you won a cact the Shadows but you lost the sh BR we had the most salty White Squad of all time talking about like Shan January who was like this stacked like my my boy Cody January he was in the 66 his brother Shawn was like jacked middle linebacker War number 34 or just like decapitate cats had like 150 tackles his senior year we had a a Mexican kid named Eric gas who was like five n maybe just a ball of muscle would just run over cats but he also had speed to break out a our quarterback was 6'4 he threw for like Arizona state record and he was just he would throw Rockets dud Kyle Watkins we had a wide receiver dude this kid was like 6'4 40inch vertical would just like snipe the ball the air like grown ass men and then there was Me Trace uh Trace uh Stevens DN and then this other kid I can't remember his name he was a DN as well but these two dudes had like legit like 15 sacks we were just we murdered people like everybody I man we murdered everyone we won we won every single game handedly too one game we were close we played Notre day and we lost we won 20 to 17 that was the closest game everything else was like multiple touchdown blowouts and in my senior year we played Soro lost to them 21-0 D Wayne Garrett had a diving catch in the end zone they got called back by for a face mask by number 77 but it would have been it would have been 147 and a half we ended up losing 217 and then we played them again in State lost 38 her yeah it was bad b y all over huh b y all over I don't know what that means bent you over oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it was brutal brutal but yeah yeah let's talk some NFL uh headlines dude Baker Mayfield number one so happy for him Story of the Year Baker NFL Free Agency Craziness Mayfield first round pick was been on he's was he was on the Ryan Fitzpatrick train where he was going to just jump around from Team to team to team team to team play 15 years in the league and then tip the cap as he leaves just a true locker room guy that everybody loves signs a three-year $100 million deal with Tampa and this is right this is less than a week after they signed um who's old oh yeah Mike Evans Mike Evans back to another insane bag Mike just is sitting in Florida no state income tax and just raking in money over and over and over again but it's unbelievable man that's unreal yeah I'm happy for big man like you were saying like once he he left the Browns was kind of like bouncing around trying to find a home played well like when he got to the Rams with McVey and he's just stayed steady he's just kept [ __ ] grinding man and now it's paying off he got a aund million doll deal 50 guaranteed golly that's gotta feel so good because there's there had to be so many times where Baker is sitting there doubting himself being like maybe I maybe I should have gone about stuff different maybe I should have just kind of in your coming form to the attitude that people really wanted me to have and you're coming into uh to be the successor of Tom of Tom Brady yeah like no one gave you a shot at the beginning of the year no and they were a dangerous Team all all season gritty Team all season gritty coming he was on a oneye $4 million deal right past season no because no literally nobody was counting them in it then they were getting a little sneaky throughout the first start of the year had a little had a little Lull in the middle but yeah bro and the team seem to Rally around him big time which I'm sure played into all of them man so fired up for the boys Baker Mayfield getting his $100 million deal that's huge that that that's a big one man that's I mean to me that's the biggest like there's been bigger numbers that's that's been had throughout like before this free agency has started but for Baker to get that kind of money and throughout the process he's had to go to is the best Russell Wilson met with the Steelers I think he also tentatively he's gonna meet with the Giants as well he he's with the Steelers yeah sign got you he stopped at the Giants went to Pittsburgh here's what I'll say about we I I've kind of planted my flag on the ground how I feel about Russell Wilson and how he hand has handled himself I'm not the biggest fan of how he's operated if he goes to the Steelers I think he find success he used to have you think so with with art for I think because Arthur Smith I think Arthur Smith is going to put him in a situation where it's not going to heavily rely on just him throwing the ball over and over again kind of like the Broncos did they're going to run the ball a whole lot more um art I think art does great with quarterbacks I saw the way he was operating with tanah Hill and even Marcus before he got benched uh in 2019 I think art does a great job at quarterbacks and helping him because Russ does have the mind for it what I think happened to Russ is and I don't know Russ at all but here's what I think happened to Russ he had success very early it got to his head he started playing more into the let me show you how hard I work look how big of a celebrity I am yeah all the endorsements and all that stuff he has been humbled in a massive way he has had the biggest uh was it dead cap from being cut like he's had the biggest cap hit for a team because they didn't want you anymore that any team could have possibly had and so that is going to play into the factor of him being like yeah I have I have been acting a certain way that has gotten me away from the successes I used to have at Seattle and I do know one guy that played on the Broncos with him and towards the end of that first year Russ brought them together and he's like I he apologized for his attitude and how he went about it the wrong way so I think there's been a lot of humility put in place for us I think that with Arthur Smith with a guy like Mike Tomlin I feel like that's going to be and you got Naj as well they got weapons I think that's a I think it's a good place for Russell Wilson to go yeah that's a good spot for Russell I mean they got them for basically league minimum 1.2 yeah for the uh age he is I mean the Broncos are picking up the rest of the 39 million tab yeah so very much like a lowrisk investment for the Steelers lowrisk investment it's a pro it deal from the sense that he's only getting paid 1.2 but he's also getting paid another 39 right but it ain't the Steelers you know what I mean so he knows there's like a make or break year for him yeah and even the the way the Steelers Steelers operate about it it's not like they'll feel some pressure of right if he's the guy for the job or not best ones are gonna play the best ones are GNA play yeah so yeah that I think I think I think it's going to work out in Pittsburgh um Steeler fans can look forward to a lot of Run game a lot of play action some QB keep some screens to get him going yeah DeAndre Smith year two $24.5 million deal with 15.3 guaranteed going to the Chicago Bears Swift is a stud yeah I like he is a who else did the Bears get I think they got somebody else throughout this process or resign somebody or something okay because it feels like the Bears are really starting to get that uh I mean mean they might have had this for a while I haven't really follow the Bears a whole lot but it seems like they're getting this franchise like you had with the Buffalo Bills back in the 2010s where it's like like you that's where you go for your career to Die the Browns before these last few years that's where you go for your career to die and it seems like there's like a little bit of a rumbling that maybe be maybe it's changing this year but we felt that way with the Browns what six years in a row and they were Super Bowl champions in April yeah so we'll see what happens with the Bears man I'm not I feel for guys like big cat who are sitting out there thinking I think they'll be more competitive this year they're just in a tough division it kind of depends on if if Kirk signs back with the Vikings but let's just in fantasy world he does you still got the Vikings you got the Packers the Packers are [ __ ] coming you also got the division the four there are four in that division it's not close yeah right there'll be a more competitive fourth in the division speaking of Kirk there was a we saw a report when we were in Miami that they talking about Atlanta Falcons yeah yeah yeah yeah which is hug his wife's family lives in lives in Atlanta and I know in the off Seasons Kirk would spend a lot of time in Atlanta anyway yeah um but yeah that would make a lot of sense Kirk a St too I feel like he's one of those casts that has been paid what sorry breaking news Tony Pard signing with the Tennessee Titans oh no [ __ ] Tony par Tennessee Titans baby big opening opening for Dallas and Derrik Henry hey that's like a baker Mayfield filling in for for Tom Brady now Tony PA's got to come in after eight years at the king that's that's going to be big shoes to fill guys a stud though completely different ball player than than Derek the the boys got to build that line of scrimmage you build that line of Mitch Pard he he can you know you need a complimentary back kind of like a one-two punch but he's somebody who can come out of the back field kind of make it out but who who is the uh yeah Taj Taj Spears yeah Taj Spears he's a beast too similar Styles he had like over a thousand allp purpose yards his rookie year that Taj Spears kid yeah similar Styles which is interesting because you kind of wish you had like a was it thunder and lightning with uh CJ 2K and his boy yeah yeah glendell what lendell white and in Dallas you had Zeke and Pard yeah canoll kind of the one two yeah so that'll be interesting because they're both smaller backs that have like good catching capability can run routes get out in open space maybe just run more two back right less tight ends yeah or a lot just a lot more 11 personnel yeah I wonder though you got to keep both those guys on the field because like how many weapons you have you have DeAndre tayin Burks I still have more touchdowns than him um yeah and then and then uh Nick Nick Westbrook a they'll get I'm sure they'll try and get it got to get somebody but they've got so many issues in this free agency they've got to go pick it pick an offense tackle out they have to get a tackle if they're not going to do it in the draft now the draft has a lot of talent there's that kid from Penn State he's he's a stud and then um Joe Al as well who had to me uh I don't know if his combine was was very good you think he lost money at the combine I don't think he lost I don't think he gained though I'll say that and and we all know kind of the conversations we've had in the past the combine is really not it's not what you see on the TV is kind of like a Showman's thing it's like okay you get to watch them run get excited when dudes do well and then boo when they do terrible but as long as you're checking boxes it is what it is he had 27 reps on the bench that's plenty that's plenty strong he ran a 5-2 that's your standard offensive lineman speed that's what you're going to get but I thought his hips looked a little tight but he's he seems like a kid that gets he's he's taller than me kid is like half an inch taller than me he's a he's a big [ __ ] boy is what he is so we we'll see what happens there they need to address the offensive line though if the teny Titans want to be good this year they need to address the offensive line but you need another weapon at wide receiver as well yeah because they're going to be way different the Tennessee Titans are going to be a high a high powerered you know through the air type of offense now right it's totally going to change completely Callahan there I mean from the Bangles you have all those you had all that Talent there which by the way T Higgins requesting a trade there's your guy right there go get him that's who you that's who you want yeah could potentially come here I don't know he's a what he's the number two wide receiver at the Bengals looking at give a second at most definitely not a first looking at the Jer uh Jerry Judy kind of uh the article saying that uh the Browns gave up I believe a fifth and sixth rounder yeah two different years though I think no both in 24 was it 24 but the the the the writer followed up saying with the way the wide receiver class is it's fair that's a that's a fairly good deal because it doesn't seem like there's a whole lot of talent in uh the wide receiver class this year yeah maybe I don't I don't follow the wide receivers very much we know about Marvin Harrison Jr there's a couple kids from the wa from Washington yeah yeah who's your boy juice juice Wells oh who's who's your guy that were disrespecting davier Legette Steve Smith Senior very high on him so he's a better DK meta oh what he big like that yes bro ran awesome ran a 44 so what is that we just mentioned four guys right Marvin the two dudes from Washington I believe they when Washington was playing Michigan in the national championship they were like uh those two wide receivers I'm forgetting their name so forgive me they were they were compared to like the the Ohio State class with uh Chris and uh who else was in that class G Wilson gett Wilson so they were kind of like the speed really sharp routes good good with their hands type of dude so when you see those four or five guys that we just mentioned I guess after that kind of falls apart but I kind of like the way the Rams did it dude where they kind of just said [ __ ] the draft we're going to get guys that already know what they're doing in the league and we're going to put a team together and essentially max out our cap space and go win one yeah that's you you think T Higgins commands a second round a second rounder no I don't think so either you see all of like these older trades that have happened years ago like what deand what was DeAndre he was yeah he was like a third or fourth round pick yeah Ortho with David Johnson though who was at the Prime in his running back career yeah but I mean like so I for forget who it was years ago um but like they only got like it was like Julio Jones or something was traded for like a third round pick yeah he was in his 13th year in the NFL no that was both that was this was like four or five years ago oh like when he got traded from Atlanta yeah to the to the Titans that where you went right yeah I mean if you're looked at as like a two or three in the wide receiver room like you're not going to get you're not going to get a high and if he came to the Titans he would go back to being a two because you had DeAndre Hopkins so depending how they see tray and Burks T Higgins could be seen more as like a slot guy yeah yeah maybe but what do you get Burks he hasn't stayed healthy at all like he's had a couple games where you're like okay that's who we drafted yeah you know he was already coming in the eightball uh behind the eightball with you know being the guy that essentially replaced AJ Brown they traded AJ to get him so yeah but T Higgins on the Titans would be awesome Chris Jones what year is Chris Jones 11 got a fat bag tr50 million right boy yeah the whole cont why you get paid [ __ ] this year well he probably got a uh there it is there it is 30 million I look at the base salary like 1.25 like oh okay and 18 million of it's due by April 5th of this year oh yeah good for Chris man that is yeah see one two and 13 the next year 19 28 and 35 I wonder if they'll see that then 27 28 because he's got how much guaranteed uh 90 yeah I mean I'm sure he he'll be a cap casualty at some point yeah I mean 5.3 guaranteed 158 total up to 158 got 95 guaranteed that's insane that's amazing shout out Chris Jones did a a smooth little job with the hold out didn't even play the whole season right there's enough data to show and the deal he signed miss one he missed one game but the deal he signed was like a million more dollars than what he would have got if he just stay right oh yeah yeah that's right but there's enough data collected on what the defense looks like with Chris Jones and without Chris Jones like yeah he did good for him yeah good dude too this like the other day to and just said KY dot dot dot dot just like super cryptic yeah that's awesome Chris Jones if you're watching right now we would love to have you on the bus by the way yeah I think he's committed he's committed to the boys on the bus just got to get a time out of him yeah got to get him out to Nashville no question he can fly private to come see us no problem yeah that new money especially right after April 5th we'll hit him up yeah hey April 6th yeah when that check clears go and get you a plane down here brother we get you on you can't get a plane though you need to go to cars.com dude cars.com is the leading digital Marketplace that connects car Shoppers with their perfect car celebrating 25 years of helping Shoppers research find inventory finance and sell cars wherever life takes you next who and whoever you're 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maxed out on that maxed out on pull-ups did some uh Glu ham Rays the well dude those Nordic hamstrings are no joke no joke my hamstring I did one rep and my hamstrings were sore yeah those are no joke those are yeah a bit of a deal but Miami dude it's yeah cars.com you want a Lamborghini cars.com in Miami do that no problem uh Pitman from the Colts dude what was it I don't even know what his deal was but he's been he's been balling for the Colts for a while kind of an underrated name of a guy tall I don't know if he's the fastest guy in the world but great me getting to the high point finding the ball the guy's a stud absolute stud so that's that's good for the Colts what we got here with his numbers three years $70 million deal that's pretty big win that's pretty good and it's it's great to see players going to that three the three-year type of deals I like a few years ago you see a dude signing those five those sixy year deals right the three years is is and with the money it's at is great but it's essentially still a bet on yourself type of thing like in three years I'm gonna go get this back again yeah which is very the quicker you can get the free agency is the rout to go barring that you you stay healthy yeah that is the hardest thing to do another dude Brandon Graham he just signed a one-year deal but he's going into his 15th season with the Philadelphia Eagles same team yeah it's crazy and in the same well I think 24-hour span Fletcher Cox decides I'm done playing play 12 years with thee group of guys breaking news is a crazy day hackers just released David bakari that one was kind of on the radar yeah yeah was that's been talked about we all understood that was going to happen yeah yeah where do you guys think he might end up I mean if he can stay healthy go to Tennessee he's already got a house out here that would be a big win that would be a big win good I know he was at the house the other day for that dinner we had and you you know Dave is a guy that very reminds me a lot of Dennis Kelly like very aware very understanding loves a good conversation you could tell in that process he knew that this inevitable news is going to happen but anytime you get cut dude even though when you know it's going to happen there's a there's a somber moment for you yeah sitting there being like damn it's really over because he was at the he was there for 10 years right the Packers I think he's a year older than me a while yeah it was a long time yeah 10 years and he he and I have very similar situations as far as like had a knee me was you know not the best after the first surgery had to go back get some stuff cleaned out stuff like that and so this was definitely something we all knew was going to happen but love the boy boach love him yeah he gonna be he's he gonna be ey always gonna be ey it'd be sick if the Titans grabbed him that would be sick figure something out it'd be big too it'd be a huge help because you get a guy in free agency that you know can play ball the only the only question mark on him is can you stay healthy yeah which is a scary question mark But if he's able to play at 80% of his his capabilities the guy's a pro bowl guy get that uh who man who is that linebacker from Carolina we saw him in Vegas play next to Keeley Thomas Davis tours knee same knee three times still came back pro bowler impressive that is impressive should we oh oh oh M Jones how how you feel about ma Jones going from the Patriots to the Jags I thought it was a weird deal and it's sad for Mack because he's gonna be the backup at the Jags yeah yeah so it's one of those I mean he's not yeah he's not Trevor Lawrence no he's not Trevor Lawrence but Trevor Lawrence didn't have the greatest season last year so I don't know if in the Jaguars camp they're sitting there going hey maybe if Trevor they talk probably a little quarterback conversation but it ain't G to be a real one no no no no absolutely not yeah it's not going to be a real one so it's tough I mean it's Dave Dave did a little you know video yesterday talking about M Jones how you know it's not said and written yet if he's a bust or not this is every bit of a bust that that we're looking at right What Qualifies As An NFL Bust? now but you have the perfect example in the same conversation of Baker Mayfield who until last year was an absolute bust now he's getting a $100 million contract bro who you talking about he's a first overall pick he did he did lead the Browns to the playoffs he led the Browns to the playoffs he's a first overall pick first first overall pick if you're the first overall pick you're a quarterback like you would think the guy like the standard of a bust of being a top five pick is insane like you should be on that team for 10 years BL there's argum kind of outed him too when they when they let him go part of ways with him there arguments you could have arguments that Amari Cooper's a bust could you no I'm telling you there's there I'm saying I'm not saying he is I'm saying the argument if you if you're that much of a talent you're at the Cowboys and you go to you go to the Cleveland Browns get sent to the sent to the Browns it's that you're getting traded if if you were that great you're that team's going to want to keep you but he had a great run with Dallas great run with Dallas but how many years was he there four for like five or six years okay six Baker also had like four yeah B had four did well with the Browns he was a top four pick wasn't he four offensive four five years look up Amari Cooper I'm not say I'm I'm not saying he is a bust I'm saying there's an argument for that and I know that's a big like trigger word for everybody's bust and people are going to get mad about that that there is an argument argument to say I was a bust I mean the last two the last two years Amar had over 1,000 yards receiving in his career it looks like he's had a 8ye or nyear career 9,400 yards 60 touchdowns St is um who who's the who's the wide receiver he didn't get extended with the Raiders it seems like he had some injury problems in that 2018 2017 18 season he went to the Raiders first so Raiders kind of like let him do his thing in prey Dallas signs him he get they get a lot lot of they get a lot out their investment at Dallas and he goes to the Browns and he's still over a thousand yards yeah who's um who's the kid I know I'm not a bus who's the kid that would has been like nine different teams that has a thousand yards every year Brandon Cooks that's the argument is being on multiple teams when you're when you're a first round pick I'm not saying Amari Cooper's a bust I'm saying there's an argument for it because you're on multiple different teams what is your standard of a bust that's not that's not my standard that's somebody like somebody else when I was arguing what you guys are arguing he was saying yeah but if you're really that good you're going to be on the same team for you know longer but the the thing is like Raiders could have been in the running in free agency like some guys aren't tied to just being like I'm going to stay with the same team like Raiders could have probably offered him a contract I'm not sure was he no they would have picked up a fifth year option he he got traded because they don't pick up TR the CYS yeah this dude that you're still willing to deal like just because the fifth year doesn't get Brandon Cooks this guy is still saying the same thing like he says a thousand thousand yards a year but he can't stick anywhere I think he's been with the Texans for a few years now does he look that up contracts just just uh go up and just hit career earnings zoom in when was uh cook drafted 2014 what round first first who for real yeah I mean and this like him bouncing around like he could be you never know but he could be like an attitude guy where he just doesn't stick like to me if you're a first-rounder and you're being productive and you're somebody a team can build around during that season then you're not you're like to me like if uh if Amari Cooper would have been a bus a real bus Fizzles out after that down those down years or trending down years and uh his third and fourth season he wouldn't be bouncing back the fact that he bounces back and he's still putting up great numbers for a receiver because the Dallas did love him and then you just have and a lot of people say Amari Cooper is like one of the best route Runners that you'll find yeah oh yeah and they say he's not a bad locker room guy or nothing like that like sometimes the business is just the business but I mean he's been averaging over a thousand the last several years like yeah like that's a like to me he's he's he's I don't know what the word is of he's paying off yeah he's got 20 he made 17 million bonus in 2019 yeah with with the r bonus with the Rams oh yeah he got knocked out right in that game somebody who can just take the top off that was he on the Patriots it's the Eagles that's right no that's this is a dude too I think he's had a thousand yard year every year he's been in the league yeah but he bounces around all over the place yeah he could just be like an attitude guy who knows I haven't really heard a whole lot about him as far as like uh his reputation no yeah Cooper's definitely not a bust that's a that was a bad take you will clip it though yeah clip it absolutely clip it shout out no free shout out yeah I'm down dropping it some shout out no free shout outs is this brought to a spy nobody brought to a spy I think it's brought To Us by Duke Canon oh okay yeah some of the best smelling [ __ ] that you will find see if you can smell us I was starting to lean over to smell it that is a nice it's a nice what is it what are they Shamrock yeah that's a great one you can find Duke Canon Shamrock thick in their full line of Men's Grooming products at Duke canon.com and we have a special offer for the boys for a limited time get 20% off your 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Sunday uh usually T does the meatball she does all that we had a dinner two weeks ago this week she decided to make pizz she made the dough herself got all the things going got all the toppins all the things you would want on your pizza let the kids make their own pizza she you know cooked the whole thing fire that woman can make some dough like her sour dough techniques you've had the cinnamon rolls incredible had the bread incredible like the the her little pastas yeah her little the meat Bowl she she has she's been finding a solid Lane in the bakery category yeah she's been she's been crushing it so usually uh what's your role in the kitchen during family dinner big clean up guy bigle clean guy now last night I put both kids asleep so she did uh she bent the knee and she she cleaned up which was nice cuz I thought I was going have to do both oh wow usually when I come home after a longer trip I try to overcompensate a little bit get in there do as much as possible Step Up Step Up step up or step out brother you got to pick one I decided to step up so yeah the the shout out family dinner nights especially when it's everything's made by hand dude shout out Talent on M Mitchie what do you got brother uh my shout out no free shout out this week goes to uh something that happens a lot when you were a kid and when you get these in the mail you were just so stoked because you know your sports season's coming around it's those East Bay magazines you just you you scroll or flip through all the pages just circle some [ __ ] like on it that you want like Mom this is what's going to take me to the next level this these these paracletes this this baseball glove this is what's going to make me the best player possible and but like every time you would get those Eastbay magazines you're so stoked to see like what the new uh fashion and like new trends that are are out there for the sports season hell yeah yeah man rip Eastbay my one my one issue about sports apparel is I love when I find like the pair of cleat that I love to wear mine were Nike Alphas they're the mid Toops I thought they were the best cleats I ever worn in my entire life they only run them for like a year maybe two years and then they bring in like they name the same thing but they change a whole bunch of [ __ ] about them and I hate that I wish so badly they would just keep like keep the good thing a good thing you got to find you gotta find the you gotta find the Vintage Boys on uh eBay man they're hard man I remember when um I was like Pro Alpha or something like that Michael ruse wore these cleats and when I switched from Adidas to Nike because my foot was hurting me these were the cleat I wore that like my foot never hurt and then they stopped making them like two years later and I was sick to my stomach ended up finding the alphas which I was fired up about Jack what do you got um mine goes to Robert Downey Jr he got his first Oscar last night Oppenheimer uh yeah and it's just I think it's cool because we all know the story of Robert Downey Jr he was off his rocker you know decades ago losing his life to drugs and in and out of rehab he did blackface in Tropic Thunder and for him to get an Oscar on like the global scale I think it's cool um and he had a really cool um accepting speech and tipped his cap to his wife and like all these funny little jokes and stuff so yeah shout out to to Robert dowy Jr did he get any backlash for the blackace no because it was a Flawless performance it was it was incredible yeah someone actually brought it up last night when they were uh presenting him which is funny too but yeah shout out to Robert dowy Jr the Iron Man that's a good one that's a real good one JP oh I saw something cool with that too Robert Downey for the first Iron Man I think he only got paid like 500,000 or something yeah super low and then now it's made him like over 400 million crazy um sticking in the movie topics oh here it comes shout out no free shout out to Kung Fu Panda 4 could be the last of one of my favorite series of all times they left the door open if they did want to create some more yeah but man so many y'all know I love animated movies and so many of my favorite life lessons have come from that movie come from my master uguay Master Shifu po he's working his way up the the Sensei leaderboard in the movie and I watched it last night and it's just it was great so shout out to Kung Fu Panda let's go man that was good we were flirting with that in Miami whether to go there was a piece of me when I saw you tweet about I was like damn we should have just gone yeah there was no ugu in the movie which stung a little bit but I think I'm about to start campaigning for a uh Master ugu origin story movie that would be elite that' be my next would be sick yeah I even we talked about master uh not master Panda Kung Fu Panda so much in Miami I went and watched Kung F Panda 3 we had some downtime it's Fire film I was happy I did because I thought I'd seen it and I hadn't seen it gotta get on it gotta get on it gotta get on you had a lot to get on right now born Kung Fu Panda sharing food at dinner Master masters of the air sharing food at dinner yeah watch it pissed me off it just it just re reaffirms everything I think about you should just wait until a season is over and then binge watch it seven and eight have been a little bit set up is but nine and 10 are going to be dud is it only 10 episodes I think so I mean at this point I feel like that's it's usually if you get 10 right it's usually 8 to 10 I know it it's such a good show though it's so good and all the different story lines are doing an amazing job of establishing multiple main characters not just not just you know Austin Butler yeah I agree that being said Shogun so good how many episodes that show right now there's four out right now or is there three four or was it the latest will be the latest one it will be coming out tomorrow or Wednesday I thought it was tonight I think it comes out tonight like maybe 11 oh gotta got you yeah yeah yeah but they'll be four they'll be four this week out see I'm I'm going to wait until the season's over I'm going to go watch them all that's what I'm going to do I can't I'm already every time I put masters of a on literally halfway through the episode I get this feeling my like there's going to be no closure at the end of this I'm not gonna yeah yeah I I personally don't mind staying up to date because it's something to look forward to every week because usually if I'm binging my next morning kind of I'm just like [ __ ] why did I stay up and watch stuff like usually I'm getting to a point where I have an episode an episode a half in me just at night time then when in between that 9 9:30 I'm just thinking hey you trying to get ready for bed so I don't mind like and then each if you have a full roster going to where you got like three or four days of the week where something new comes out and you're on to like those that amount of shows you have something different every night to look forward to special time in life yeah yeah yeah never experien that it's cool too though when on like the flip side of the coin where you're like damn this episode's not going to give me closure when you do hit an episode that's just like incredible there's like something about it where like you fought for this episode it's like you put in hours just to get this night and um that to me is kind of that's special yeah and then if you're bitching you're kind of bitching with everybody yeah right God next this is a teaser Fu next week to me crazy next week maybe I will watch show gun you should good very good both selling points yeah it's a very good show that comes out what Mondays I think so like Monday nights yeah Monday if I'm saying that cuz Jack was fired up last week he's like hey tonight episode three yeah it's if you have Hulu premium you get it at 11:00 p.m. and then if not I think it comes out on Tuesdays like maybe Tuesday morning or something got you something like that good show yeah sounds like it you got any good uh uh dad Tales um our little dad segment or dad Club segment Dads Being Dads yeah I got one I got one uh perfect I already got it on uh dad segment so buy merch buy our merch 47 47 also yeah you talk about the Shamrock from duke can and we have uh Patty's Day merch as well you guys can go check out store. bar sports.com dads now for the dads that travel a bunch for work I don't know how much you guys if you're in and out for a weekend or whatever the boys were gone from Wednesday to to Sunday morning I get real excited when I get to come home I think about all the things we're going to do and play and blah blah so during the day kids are we're playing these different games we're ripping around having a good time bed times I don't know what happens when I'm not home but every time I come home it's a bit of a hassle putting my kids down something different something's off I think the leash was a little too loose possibly cuz me I'm a big structured guy from like dinner times and bed or like meal times and bed times I feel like got great structure points and then everything in between let them be kids but having that little bit of structure so they can kind of feel it is Big obviously it was it's spring break right now for my kids so they're kind of doing whatever the hell they want which is great and I go to put my kids down last night and it is it's just kind of cracking the whip a little bit getting them back in and everything so wi put her in her bed and you could tell she was like how am I going to get out of this with Dad I left no room no room to wiggle through everything we knocked out everything gave her everything I said we can do one more of this one of that so I don't only have like a not mad about anything today but I am just a little frustrated no no no no I'm not even frustrated I will just say to the dads a a solid structured bedtime will help so much with as your kids get older because when they're like Willows 3 and Willow I can just she kind of knows the deal you kind of rip go here we go boom you're in bed I'll see you later when they get six and they start to know like okay I can ask these questions and they'll stay longer and then if I do X Y and Z that'll bring them back upstairs and then she starts leaving the bed to come back downstairs that's the stuff where now I'm infuriated it's this part where you're able to know like go in with a plan go to war with a plan don't just go in there for a bedtime know what you're about to EST establish what you're supposed to do with your kids execute it love them up and get out yeah that's the move routine the move so it's more of a we got to stick together with structured bed times that's my dad's segment so she was pressing a couple buttons last night she wasn't pressing buttons but I could tell that how Stern did you have to get over there at one point um to me it's it's not it's it's not pressing the buttons from like you want to talk I'm all about talking but if I'm like hey can you go do this like sat for bed go brush your teeth and it's like we want to have a [ __ ] around session of going to the closet and then ripping over to this little area and then we're going to go in like you know steuart from Matt TV look what I can do and he kind of like starts ripping around that's when it's like what I just say like I'm getting real good I said this last week I'm getting real good at the stern dad voice and I had to throw down a Stern dad voice at U not only all right um hey when do you mind uh just go brush your teeth sweetie and then after go brush your teeth go potty he hey let's go play in the closet let's go play in the closet honey we're going to go we're going to brush our teeth but Dad Mom let me play in the closet last night when go brush your teeth and we can do all these things after but go brush your teeth right now now cuz that's what Daddy asked you to do 2 minutes 2 minutes what the closet go brush your teeth for 2 minutes that's what she need to do Mom let me play that's fine mommy's not putting you to bed tonight now you hear my you hear my tone of voice do you hear my tone right now I got tears coming to my eyes do you do you hear my tone though yeah so what does that tell you it tells you daddy's a little frustrated because all daddy wants you to do is just go and brush your teeth right now once we do that we can knock a couple of these things out but dadd ask you to go do something just go do that thing and then we can have fun promise promise we can play yeah we can play for five minutes 10 honey come on now go brush your teeth we'll talk about it you say 10 minutes I'll go brush my teeth she said that to me like Damn okay yeah yeah all right 10 minutes that's so start haggling hey but that was legit it that was when we had thing at PetSmart too dude we're playing with the cats at PetSmart yeah and Willow was on like one of the the little scratch cloth things and she was looking in the big bowl for these other cat toys to give the kids and Willow was like already kind of like maxing out the weight for this cat thing and I get her off and when's like I want to do it I'm like oh when you're too big you're too big it's going to break and she's I'm saying it I'm from me to her hey you're too big and she just looks at me and starts walking to it I was like you're too big she puts like three hands on it you're too big and starts climbing up win just put some Bas in come on bro and she's like why what I'm like what do you mean what what did I just say to you she's like I'm too big I'm like then why are you doing it you're too big I don't want you to get hurt yeah so now I'm fired up negotiation tactics are alive and well with the kids man it's a daily thing man it's a daily thing we had a couple whining situations yesterday too that I've already bitched about but I I handle my business I handle my business you hit the adjust of the Hat I handle my business out there you know how it is mine goes to uh I wrote the story out on on Twitter but mine goes to ru's understanding that Fridays are Pizza Fridays and movie Nights yeah I picked her up from a nap brought her over to the table and just to like make conversation I always just ask like did you sleep well did you dream what were your dreams about I'm like hey what do we get to do tonight and she was like mofy night and I was like I'm s I'm sitting up there changing I'm like yeah that's right I was like what else do we get to do and she's like pizza Friday and I was like let's go and I just picked her up and I was like so I'm like yeah that's right that's right she starting to put like together to you know two and three words which fires me up um what else do I have here's a tip for the dads out there I do really well and it's only Dad too Mom doesn't for whatever reason mom doesn't have the power but secret telling her a secret like if I we're trying to get her to do something I bet hey R dad needs to tell you secret and she like come on she and then basically just tell her what we've been telling her for the last couple minutes yeah and then she'll just she'll be all about it so little tip is letting them in on a secret and do Secret time is uh is a very good one because then they'll come over and they'll say more I bet what we do next we brush our teeth next right yeah go mom brush your teeth she run on over and you're just like yo I got some juice right now a nice one the secret thing is a nice move yeah she'll just start getting like you she'll want to jump on the couch or something like that you're be R hey D needs to tell you secret Dy needs to tell you secret and she like start to get out I'll start to like walk away like it's just between us and then I'll kind of tell her and she'll just she'll do it bro it's crazy that's awesome that's awesome uh we're about we're about to have The Tale of Two Dads though because you had some great ones I'm about to go in now the secret thing we did that for bedtime for a little bit yeah and it turned into secret it's like all right tell me a secret and then they'll basically just say a bunch of [ __ ] like tomes and that becomes the conversation yeah you say like I can't wait this is when they're lay in the crib I go to leave and it's like Daddy all right because you're enjoying yourself too yeah then five secrets in you're like okay it's time for bad see I'll just I'll just end up walking out because every time R wants something extra I just remind her I'm like you said it one more because I'll tell charl I'm like she negotiates with charl like R's big on like hug hug she wants to give everything a hug and her hug just like a lean in yeah and she'll like want to hug the stairs like when she had uh what is it RSV yeah did the little treatment thing where she's got to put the thing on her over her mouth but she'll be like she'll she'll say treatment she's got to hug treatment she got to go out and hug this she's got to hug the couch she's got to hug the blinds that's because there's always something new she they're just trying to negotiate to stay up longer yeah and how do you I'm like I don't know sweetheart I just like I just stick to whatever I'm saying I'm like no I know that sucks I know that sucks but here's what we have to different dad and mom things I feel like moms are more willing to negotiate with their child yeah they're so they're such a warmer place moms are such a warmer place in their arms yeah and I love that we're having this conversation because what you're saying makes me okay all right I know I know be so upset like that she can't hug mom again and she she'll start like crying I bet hey hey hey hey mom sent me a picture you want me to show you a picture of mom so you can give her a hug she yeah so just pull up charo's Instagram and just show their most recent picture I'm like here's mom give her a hug and she'll like bar a bar three L yeah that that one was last night she leaned in and then and then that she was stopped crying that's awesome D wi tried to pull that on me was like yeah yeah yeah when tried to pull that on me last night she's like I want to tell can I tell Mom something I was like Mom's dealing with something downstairs Daddy's putting down night tonight and then she like started get upset like honey we're not doing this tonight we're not going to get upset about stuff that we know can we we can wait till tomorrow it's all good we're all good and she's like she's like just can I just say one thing to Mom and I was like you know what I'll call her I called her I was like hey uh mom when wants to ask you tell you one thing she does the one thing and I was like Mom know like hey here's the situation we're in by my tone of voice Lally as wind's breath she's end ending the sentence of the one thing I'm like all right Mom love you we'll see you later I was like see got it done look how that worked huh smooth in and out the phone is Big the phone's big yeah but yeah for whatever Reon then one time I pulled up the treatment thing I just pulled up yeah treatment for RSV I typed in treatment for RSV for kids and then I'm just scrolling the images and figuring out like the machine I'm like hey look here's treatment right here give it a hug cuz we're not walking outside how long was she on that treatment for uh like a day or two oh it wasn't bad R Fe like a big deal right oh I guess it it can be how old she got it she had it a couple weeks ago she did for like two days maybe saddest looking thing in the world yeah have a little like I'm sure the loud noises or eyes are all big yeah and lock in for this next segment NE next segment brought To Us by Twisted te Twisted T Twisted Tea is a refreshing hard iced tea made with real brw tea and 5% alcohol full of flavor and very refreshing Twisted Tea Goes Down Smooth so smooth that 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teams three plus but you only you don't win a Super Bowl obviously at every stop you just get one like you win a Super Bowl and then like boom you're on to the next team do that better in want the Super Bowl yeah I don't know bro that's it is harder than just saying Super Bowl because there is playing for one team is dope yeah for sure it's like I'm asking myself I think I'd stay with the with the team Ring of Honor sick too yeah and not that I'm Gonna Be A Ring of Honor guy with Nebraska but the example I'm using in my head is would I have the same career at Nebraska right now or do I hit the portal uh a time or two and I get one national title with somebody else so I think I'm staying I think I'm going with the team I'm switching my answer I'm going with the staying with one team Ring of Honor same stat line you said yeah yeah one squad one heartbeat one sound yeah go Big Red we die we die Davis signed with the Jags three years shout out to boy Gabe Davis that is that's yeah I wanted him for the Titans hopefully they're supposed to be nice as pass supposed to be super contenders this past year yeah what happened to them oh wait which one are you taking which one are you I don't know they're both they're both great I I spent my whole career with one team so I'll go I'll go the opposite because I have never tasted that so do you wish say we'll just say you're in the Ring of Honor like you might get Ring of Honor which is that's that's an argument that's a real that's a real debate yeah um so yeah your career basically you would rather have been you would have rather bounce around on a few teams and won a Super Bowl say you win say say you went to the Buccaneers when Tom Brady was on The Buckaneers and you guys won that year and took down the Chiefs being a part of that team I don't know because I did love my career with the Titans yeah and really everything Mitch said was my career besides the Ring of Honor thing you're on a team you're in the play might you might be a Ring of Honor like you've had the career to be like a Ring of Honor guy I'll keep the main thing the main thing I'll stay with the Ring of Honor I do think I think the Ring of Honor is one of the coolest things you can get obviously Hall of Fame is massive obviously Super Bowl's massive but being in the Ring of Honor on one team that forever you're Legacy just forever lives on yeah is the coolest thing to me but you're gonna get Ring of Honor if you're a Hall of Famer Hall of Fame Hall of Fame yeah yeah I haven't had my jersey haven't been retired in high school yours has I don't know if my jersey has been retired you were putting in the Ring of Honor maybe but has are you talking about were Ring of Honor in high school no wouldn't you have some in high school high school hall of fame High School Hall of Fame yeah first year I ain't got that first year it opened up is it your your high school or like the district my High School North County High School okay I need that too bro uh Christian Wilkins four years 110 million with the Raiders o load a lot of stuff happening yeah this apologies it's being tomorrow or further in the week obviously this isn't current news but it's just there's a lot going on the next three days will be this really the most time of year this is an awesome time of year damn know I thought he was gon to stay at the Miami for a while Insanity crazy yeah he is nasty might have to the way this money's getting tossed around hey you can you you you see me right what happened I'm just UNC I'm just uncomfortable with my low back man I can't even like I don't know I keep trying to sit so far back to where I can get on that little no homo that little hard spot back there I'm trying to like sit on the little hard spot so that way I can like keep it up versus if I'm like down in here I feel like my spine like bends so much more it just puts so much scoliosis see when I sit like this I feel I'm way too high right now I feel I'm looking down on you yeah I mean I'm been let me hang on all right should we kick off to Charles Woodson episode yeah we should we talked about a little bit uh Charles Wood's an absolute Legend brings his whiskey in brings his wine in talks about the good old days all that I believe we talked about tuck a little bit didn't we no we never hit the tuck tuck Ru we never hit the Tuck Rule which sucks but we talk about him if he could play a snap right now like how many plays or in college talk about his kids we talk we talk about all this stuff how he almost left Green Bay how he wanted to retire yeah he kind of comes back in and then has like the career that he he has yeah he talks about some of the shortcomings he had at Michigan like you could tell Charles Woodson was like I'm the I'm the top GP attitude at Michigan and how bitter he was when he left the Raiders the first time like how he had kind of those stamps of like is he a bad character guy locker room right let's get into this episode enjoy Charles Woodson big hugs and Tiny kisses boys listen up you may grow hair fast but after going to Sport Clips haircuts you wish it grew even faster that's because Sport Clips has the best seats in hair and that may or may not be because they have to be right in front of TVs playing sports all day long every day uh we know that watching sports while getting a haircut sure beats watching your reflection getting a haircut which is why at Sport Clips every day is Clippers and curveballs high tops and H maras and even waves and wickets if you're into that sort of [ __ ] at Sport Clips you can check in with the pros and men's hair and totally check out with pure un uninterrupted relaxation so yeah come watch an endless stream of sports on TV while getting an awesome haircut Sport Clips it is a game changer back to the episode Charles Woodson the go the defense of goat I CHARLES WOODSON INTERVIEW STARTS mean you are one of the best of all time bro it is an absolute pleasure to have you on the podcast I appreciate that man you guys are shaping up to be best of all time too like what you're doing like what you're doing on the field you really mean that right here cuz we tried get I remember I was I I was either we were on Twitter going back and forth cuz you was in ntional one time and I think we trying to get you but everything was way too tight but man tried to make it happen but yeah the timing was off a little bit but you know we we we did it finally got it done man we had to obviously jump into Michigan like for how many years Michigan Football Is All The Way Back have we just been shitty and now finally we we put it all together this year man what did that mean to you as an alumni well you know what's what's crazy is that it wasn't that we were shitty we just couldn't beat them guys we couldn't beat Ohio State man like that's really what it was was like when you think about you know Jim when he came in Jim was winning nine 10 games a year but then we get to that last game and we could never get over that hump you know so when we think back to Michigan and we see that we had a shitty year you know what I mean and so these last couple of years have just been like dude I don't even know how to explain it you know it's just it's it's not even that we won the game it's how we won the game like and with all the all the story line the Year too it's not just that game it's the season Penn State the hard ball getting suspended right before the Penn State game as are traveling he's getting told I while they're on the tarmac literally and I was I was at that game because I was working with the the big noon kickoff uh crew that weekend and we get there and they're like uh yeah I don't know if uh Jim's gonna be able to coach today we're like what are you talking about like yeah you know he was on the plane he got the word that he might not be coaching like on the plane like literally on the plane to Happy Valley you talking about he can't play I mean can't coach so yeah just a lot of different storylines you know this particular season with um him putting people in place Mike Hart was a coach WN the game head coach and then shiron Moore who's got the job now he was a coach for like three or four games and those guys you know just looking at looking that situation in the face and just being like it don't matter and it's such a it's such a massive like statement to the culture Michigan cuz they had every excuse not to achieve the goal of winning a national championship right and like you obviously you don't have to expand on this at all but how [ __ ] was it of the Big 10 to try to implement some sort of [ __ ] Band-Aid hey we're going to punish him Tony petiti as they're flying to Penn State and doing all that that's just just as bad ball there's no due process there and so but the thing I like about it personally is that if there were all these allegations that they never took Harbaugh off the field then it'd be like the true Aster to a national championship but because you put all the adversity on and off the field towards the Michigan players right now it's like there's there's truly like it didn't matter what got in their way they were winning a national championship yeah and that was so big it truly was a Michigan versus everybody yeah you know the the the coin the phrase that they coined and also the other one was bet you know they they had that uh I forget after which game it was but it was just to say all right you guys are going to put put all of this on our plate bet will handle it and that's exactly what they did and you know being in in in Happy Valley and you know that being you know our toughest game to that point on the schedule and then coming out in that second half and I think they threw the ball one time and then from there on it was like just Old School Michigan football for a whole half like just just take this take this take this so yeah it was it was fun man the whole the whole ride this year man I mean you know we we were riding along with them guys man just on Cloud9 every week and then when they capped it off um I was able to go to the semi-final passadena didn't make it to the championship game but um watching that championship game and the way they performed the the the domination you know that that uh you know what let me go back because you talked about the culture and that was important with this team because of all of the guys who said I'm coming back I'm coming back because we got unfinished business and then they actually did it like that was that's pretty special man so I'm happy for them guys man what's it like knowing that you guys brought that Michigan your guys' University brought a national title in 2023 and it's been since what like the 1940s since you guys last won a national title 97 man God damn I know I know he did it on purpose I know what he did I know that was good that was good that was good that was good okay I see how I see how it is see how the show's going to be I had Taylor and I obviously we always go back fourth M NE City I mean you guys have been whooping our ass for a while that's funny I had to get that in cuz it's always like if I'm if I'm put up against Taylor Dave pornoy we go back and forth if I try to throw Nebraska in it's like all 1997 personally I feel like as a player you like being the coaches pole National Championship more than the AP National Championship well man you know when you when you guys got up there and you start crying you know after the season about you know our coaches leaving and man we deserve it we like what the hell is going on right you know what I mean so you guys begged your way into that little meent the knee too the coaches were just like I guess we'll just give it to him then like really come on I mean we you know Nebraska beat and it's funny cuz Charles is like he's a play he was a player he was on the Michigan team like we're like I'm just sitting here like oh we Nebraska yeah yeah you're eight yeah years old hey but Nebraska beat Peyton Manning L Tennessee oh man they did they did they did average over 40 a game Michigan average 20 something however their defense you guys we were pretty mad about that too cuz we we go out to you know watching this thing we're like all right you know Tennessee you know give these boys a fight you know what I'm saying because that's going to help our cars if they go down there and struggle and Nebraska goes out there and slaps them boys it's like oh [ __ ] God damn what's it yeah what's it like because you guys had you guys play more like top 10 teams that year like oh I say the Big 10 like back in the 90s like you guys had more of those teams in the top 10 but like as a player are you kind of hoping you get de like I I don't remember how it worked with the bowl game selection back then but are you hoping you get like the higher matchup or did you already kind of know you were going to play the Pack 12 Champion it was Pack 12 Championship so I think we were a year before the BCS a so got you if it was a year later we would have had a chance to play it would have been it would have been Nebraska we we' have had a chance to play Nebraska but we just I know one year too early man so um yeah we went out and played the win of the Pack 12 and they they played um you know uh Nebraska so that's just the way it that's the way it went when you're uh when you're doing all the B noon stuff and it's your essentially your job your obligation to be as unbiased as possible Being Biased On National TV but all this stuff is like going down how do you catch yourself in Happy Valley thinking all right Harbaugh's not on there but you're on the sideline I think there's a clip of you and um it might have been Desmond Howard as well like getting hyped up like are you like trying your best not to get excited no no like our producers and um you know everyone who brought me in you know at Fox they know that when it comes to Michigan it is what it is like when I'm on the set I'm rooting for Michigan I'm on the sideline I'm rooting for Michigan I'm going to be biased as bias can get so there there's no secret um yeah but when it comes when it comes down to like really talking about the game like keys to the game how michig michig Michigan is going to win Ohio state is going to win I I'll give the real but as it you know in terms of where my loyalty is lie it ain't no secret you enjoy covering College more than the NFL because I know you was doing NFL before you signed on with the with f n NFL is where it's at yeah yeah yeah I love the NFL man in college is too many damn teams in college there are a lot of teams I feel like you like I enjoy the school spirit of college because you just know you're pulling for your team no matter what versus the NFL like playing on a few different teams it's like it's more of like a player driven like I'm kind of rooting for guys and players and yeah i' like to see the Raiders the Titans Washington do well but like that the connection with your with your school spirit in college yeah it ain't nothing like it it's nothing like it and uh you know I get asked that question like you know you know why you why do you feel the way you feel about Michigan you know why you love him so much and I I answered this question not too long ago and I think it's like for me it was the first place I was trying to get to you know what I'm saying being a being a high school athlete and um you know you're getting all all of these letters and you you know you're you're working toward you know trying to do something bigger than playing in high school like Michigan was like I'm I'm trying to get there you know what I mean and and it was a a dream come true to you know sign there and go to Michigan and so you know that that that love of you know you know trying to get to a destination and reaching it you know was was a big deal so you know that's why it runs deep yeah you had a really good interview on the pivot and I'm trying to recall can you tell the story about Coaches Had To Call His Mom there was a game where coach held you out and you're like I'm not going to go in and say sorry and then your mom's like your mom's like hey if you're not going to apologize yourself do it for me can can you retell that story yeah it was it was it was just crazy cuz my you know we had played uh I think who do we play I forget who the game we played um before Ohio State but anyway I had my my back locked up for whatever reason and and I talked to the trainer I'm like hey man my back is locked up I don't know why I can I can can barely move he's like oh don't worry about it you don't have to practice today and so I was like great but when I walk out to practice I don't have any Michigan issue stuff on I just got my school stuff on and Coach car's like what are you doing I'm like what he was like what where's where's your your uniform I'm like ah man I talked to Schmitty SCH Smitty said I didn't had to practice today he was like I don't get in there and put something on then so I go in I put some other stuff on but I I I keep my my white shoes on that I for to school what do you got what do you got on your feet I'm like what man get in there and put did you know what you was doing when you went back in like are you feeling like oh coaches trying me a little bit a little bit yeah a little bit uh but then this was 96 96 so a week before house Day game and so I came back out and then I'm on the sideline and and talking with some of the fellas and Coach he singles me hey Charles come here go over there to the offense hey you need to pay attention I'm like coach I'm paying attention like what's going on man well if you're going to be on the sideline you're not practicing you need to pay attention I'm like all right so I walk on the sideline few periods go by he calls me back over there Woodson get over here I'm like damn what is going on today man go over there hey if you're not going to pay attention you can just leave I was like all right I'm out so I left I went back to I went back to the dorm and uh little time pass day or two I don't know I can't remember the timeline of that but I get called down by my position coach Vance bford he's like Hey listen coach wants to talk to you when you go down there just go ahead and apologize and then he's going to let you play this week and I was like coach I'm not apologizing he's like listen to me just apologize you I so I go down there me and Coach talk a little while and uh he's like ah you know do you think you Justified Yourself by walking out of practice I was like Yeah man cuz I don't feel like you got to make an example out of me in this whole thing he's like all right well you ain't playing this week I was like all right I got up and walked out went down there to to back to coach back for his room and he was like all right what'd he say I said I'm not playing this week he said boy I told you don't go down there and say nothing but just apologize hold on a minute he gets on the phone my mom answers Miss Woodson I told this boy don't go down her and say nothing he called your mom he called my mom man and uh my mom gets on the phone what's going on I'm like I'm not playing this week she was like why I was like man you know me and Coach got into it and this or that and coach wants me to apologize M I ain't apologizing she was like okay well well well just do this if you're not going to apologize for yourself apologize for me and I was like are you kidding me she broke me so you went broke so i man I had to bend you talking about bend the knee I had to bend the knee man Mom Mom's and so I went down there and I was like Coach man you know it's my bad man you know I'm sorry uh I shouldn't have walked out of of practice and that's all he wanted he was like all right you're playing this week so Charles leaves walking in the hall too office kind hit the door like you should you should have saw you should have saw how slow I walked down there to his office too I bet brought up I was fuming yo you brought up Schmitty who's a Michigan like the the head trainer for the longest time he's the guy that like you get a x-ray like sh what the X-ray say X-rays don't talk friend TR to keep walking smart smart Smitty and then uh Big John big do you have any big John stories cuz I I'll preface one real quick so obviously I was in the dark ages of Michigan with Rich Rodriguez and Brady h no disrespect to them it was just that time that the Alum would come by and be like hey y'all suck and that's just what it was tough always having the the guys in the 90s like we had that too where guys you guys aren't well we had uh when we were at the Ohio State game this year some guys came up and we were talking like hey what years were you there again I was like 09 to 13 like oh yeah that's that's a tough time but when Rich Rodriguez I'll bring in that uh when Rich Rodriguez first got the job there's a story that big JN would go and at like 5: in the morning and get on the elliptical in the weight room but naked nothing and he was like a sloppy body cat yeah and he was just on the elliptical sweating dripping everywhere all over the place and he was just in like the most fun way like crude like over the top like kind of just a horny old guy but he was like for a while dude that being said yeah I don't I don't yeah I don't I don't have the stories like some of my teammates have more in-depth stories of of Johnny but Johnny was Big John was kind of like U uh like Family Guy you know what I'm saying like just inappropriately funny guy you know what I'm saying like you be like you always got one everybody watches the most innocent fun way possible we're not trying to soil Johnny what Johnny he did he said what he did what you know so yeah he he was he was that guy man but he he was a great guy but yeah it was a lot lot of stories lot of Stories on Big John a lot of stories I can't I can't tell I can't yeah what uh dude what was it like I know you probably been asking so much but what was it like winning the Heisman over PA Manning I mean and two it's like Winning Heisman Over Peyton Manning it's paon Manning you know quarterbacks who it was it was also Ryan Leaf that year Randy Moss Ryan Le Randy Moss but the quarterback paon Manning he's got the complexion for the protection and you end up you end up winning the Heisman like being a two-way player uh what was that like when you won that yeah what's crazy is that we got three three first ballot Hall of Famers on there me Peyton and and Randy um D and then at at the time you know yeah you got uh Ryan Leaf there who everybody thought man [ __ ] he's going to be the guy you know what I'm saying with him and pton coming out a lot of people had Ryan Leaf ahead of him um but the the the thing about it is that you know I thought throughout the season I thought I played myself into a position where people recognize who I was as a player and I thought I was the best player but I didn't think I was going to win the Heisman like there was no way you know I was going to win the Heisman over payt man it just wasn't it wasn't going to happen you know the whole season coming in I think he had came back for his senior year year so you know that was that was really all of the talk you know finish business year man he came back for his you know his senior year like wow what he's doing for the University he's coming back for his guys and he's coming back to win the Heisman Trophy like that was a forgone conclusion and so you know Season carried on and what was great is watching um the 30 for 30 that they just had that came out and cuz a lot of stuff you don't you don't remember um but they had that that little ranking each week of who was ahead like you had Peyton and then it was um [ __ ] it was a running back I saw maybe it was Taven Banks or something Taven Banks and then like I was down here on the bottom and then I might move up and then pton may move down and then this guy may move up so it was really interesting how it kind of played out throughout the year and then when Michigan State happened and the one hand catch happened then I kind of stayed steady in a certain place and then Penn State happened um playing both ways um caught a caught a touchdown pass that game I'm playing against jury vicious and uh I remember they asked me before that game you know did I think before after did I think I was the best player in the country I was like yeah I'm the best player in the country but still not thinking they're going to you know I'm not winning like put you over like a pay not going to happen such such a like a focused position driving numbers like your range it's a numbers game it's a numbers game you know and so and then Ohio State happens and then Here Comes you know the ceremony and it's like I'm I'm I'm there in New York to have a good time time hanging out with Randy hanging out with all the guys and just this is this is a cool experience and then you know Rudy Rudy RIS I believe it was opens an envelope and he's like from Michigan oh man it was like my whole body just went limp and if you watch it you see Randy on the side he's like get up so he nudged me I'm like damn that's right I just want High what was the highest you got on the list like throughout the year to where maybe you had an inkling like maybe there's a dark no I think I think I got up I think I got up to one I believe um and but it it kind of it just rotated so it one then two and maybe three then two then one so it was It was kind of cool you know to to to see some of the footage cuz like I said a lot of that stuff man it's a long time ago for me but a lot of stuff you don't you don't remember interviews that you did you know certain things other people said um so yeah man I it was cool to relive that we this episode to bring you Verizon you already know that Verizon is the 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Heisman Trophy dude I didn't yeah I didn't have I didn't have I had nothing yeah I had nothing thank you family like yo this is insan probably without the footage he probably doesn't even remember like giving a spe well I I remember um you know getting up and of course um you know thanking my mom and then and then I I know I probably did I made some reference to somebody else who I thought should have won it but didn't win it and then finally they got it right or something something crazy like that but I didn't I didn't have a speech so I was like like I said I'm here to just enjoy this moment and I get you didn't write nothing down no it is kind of it's kind of a bad look not a bad look but when they pull out the crinkle piece of paper and they yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I don't like to do that just as a general rule I don't like to read from anything if I if I'm talking I just like to talk um but yeah I went there man just nothing man do you uh when you think about like the college football landscape now all all the nil stuff how would you had to be going crazy you you would have been you been a seven figure cat I got I got one I got one year left you trying to get after I got one year ride the bench but I make seven You Think You Still Got It? figures say plays how many plays you think you can give to a college game in college right right now if you play college I'll run that [ __ ] right now you think so you don't think you'd be blowing a hand me out there C no Hey listen I don't know if anybody told you you got a little little salt in that beer a little bit a little bit a little bit I believe in Charles yeah I still run around a little bit I still get after yeah I hey I give I I give him some work out there straight up in college you playing Corner oh yeah I could play anything anything he'd be like a uh Travis Hunter Colorado I'd be like him yeah he he truly plays both ways I think that is like 30 plus plays a game crazy I I tell people like I I like dibbled and dabbled on offense like I didn't play a whole lot of offense it just seems like he plays offense and defense like L literally like when you like don't come off the field right yeah yeah that's where do you think he's better suited on offense or defense oh man I think receiver I think he's nasty at receiver yeah I mean he's a good Corner don't get me wrong but I see his his his offensive skills man I think his offensive skills dominate over his defensive skills what's interesting too is like your story back when you were you know with your mom and coach and like not playing like situations Transfer Portal Now vs. Back Then like that I feel like these days like you could just if you're upset you could just bounce eat quick yeah yeah and not have any any repercussions like it used to be where if you went to another D1 school you had to sit out a whole year M and so now it's like what coach oh I don't worry about it I won't be here tomorrow you can just leave yeah do you think like if you when you were a freshman at Michigan that like was there any type of time if there was it opportunity to go in the transfer portal that you might might well that time we talked about with Coach Carr so when I went back to my dorm room it was funny cuz we had a couple of guys who visited the University of Miami were you in West quad I was in I was in West quad Y and um and so after practice a couple of guys my my my my boys man what happened I was like man I don't know man coach tripping man I said man I'm I'm out of here man they were like what I said man [ __ ] this man I'm going to Miami man I'm I'm transferring out here I don't want to be here man we going too we we man let's do it serious so we had like a little Mutiny going on for like 24 hours yeah a little crew that was dismantle the University of Michigan I'm like man I'm leaving but uh but I think that's probably how it happens you know with a lot of guys you know you have a altercation with a coach you go back to the room and um there's nobody to talk you down from that ledge and you're like sh them out I don't I don't got to deal with this and nowadays it's easier than ever to say I don't want to deal with it yeah it makes it so much more difficult to keep accountability in a locker room that's so important in football to keep dudes accountable and that's what that's what's hard what what Michigan did with and and the reason why I feel like they won and were so dominant is because they really had grown men out there you know what I'm saying we got a bunch of you know Junior seniors guys who came back and so if you look at what you know Ohio state is doing right now they they're trying to you know buy all these players trying to get all this this this quick fix it's hard to it's hard to build it that way you know what I'm saying if you if you're trying to do that every year like you got to have you know kind of a nucleus of guys that are coming back and you can build a program with so um it's going to get harder and harder you know for coaches to kind of maintain that because there used to be truly like a a loyalty to school now it's just a loyalty to you and what you can get you know trying to get the most out of it for yourself so it's gonna be hard for coaches because that's such an interesting thing is like having loyalty to yourself in your school like even when you play when we play like that was still there like you still wanted to benefit yourself playing well and the team do well as you know at the same time but now it's like it's a wild west yeah and with Ohio State the way they're setting up this year they're spending so much money in nil bringing these guys in there if they don't essentially if they don't win the national championship right it's it's over yeah like it's over so that's that's the that's that's definitely the type of pressure that you put on yourself if you say all right I got the best guy from here the best guy from here best guy from here and then you get them all together and it doesn't work it's like you know people start looking at you real crazy yeah and you see like uh go ahead I was just gonna no if you got more on College I was going to start to dabble in the NFL world but I got a couple more things on College just this year shiron Moore obviously like I'm a massive shiron Moore fan I think he deserved that job they made the right yeah he is he's the dude for for the University of michig but he lost a lot of players like 18 dudes are probably going to get drafted and coaching staff and yeah lost the DC lost the Str coach which I think is like the most devastating L like herb we had the opportunity to go there and meet he was kind of going Str conditioning yes oh man how he evaluates hips knees everything the grading scale they put everybody on like you walk away from that being like damn I wish had this dude when I was playing because it was like a guy like this is a dude you have for all of college and then in the offseason you're back in an arbor like try to get whatever you can I I took my son up to a little two two-day Camp they had up there and uh he just had a you know certain easy way that that he does pull-ups [ __ ] I went back home and I was doing him that way you know what I'm saying that's the kind of guy he was man so a couple little tricks what's like like like most reasonable expectation Outlook For Michigan This Year for the University of Michigan in 2024 season I think it's going to be tough um you know looking at the schedule I was looking at the other day um we got Texas coming in second game schedule Washington USC UCLA State Ohio State I think we got Oregon too yeah and and you know you just look at it Texas they have their guy their quarterback's coming back you know what I mean so they have you know what we have is a got lot of guys leaving our quarterback leaves then you got a Texas team that just was in the playoffs as well they're still build building on that and still have a lot of things in place and then they got their quarterback coming back so um I think it'll it'll be it'll be tough sledding for him just because he's re rebuilding it like you said there's nothing uh I don't think anything hurts him more than losing stack losing guys that were in there in place you know losing uh being strength and conditioning coach you lose your defensive coordinator um you know he's gone uh few other guys have have left as well I think Jim's uh is it Jim's son that's on the on the uh staff that he just left Jim Harbaugh I don't know I'm not even sure you would assume he's taking a couple offensive guys yeah so lot of lot of guys left man so I I don't know it' be it'd be interesting but it's going to be it's going to be tough sled tough sled the uh Ann Arbor best place to go eat college kid I got the place in my head right now but I don't want to well I mean with nil no no no no no no we're talking we're talking you got those little chits like those little coupons that are like two well for me for me it was Cottage in cottage in did did hit yeah Cottage ctage I think I don't think we it's a little pizza spot and did you guys get the little pieces of paper the chits yeah like 15 bucks on ours yeah see ours was you get like two medium pizzas and like a soda or something like that go smack one of those things Barbe say was nice we are this podcast is Mr spots Mr spots yeah I like Mr spice but me but me I was it I was it was pizza for me man yeah and cagean they had they had the they had the best pizza and I always felt like K Jim was um out of all the places that we could get so you know he had Mr spot you had Cottage in and we only had like four different places you can go from like that one to me was like the most like I felt like I was really doing something if I went in the college Cottage in and got something you know what I'm saying restaurant restaurant like yeah yeah yeah it was like yeah you know I felt like I was doing something you know what I mean so kage in was that deal I got that last uh last call we go to the NFL top five players University of Michigan history but not like obviously like the Top 5 Michigan Players Ever the argument here would be Tom Brady like would Tom Brady be a top five Michigan football player in not the Michigan right right right put you in there put you at one so you don't have to do it yourself I don't got to put myself in there yeah well well could I put myself in could I put myself in on offense and defense and I can be in you can do that you take two that's you want I like that oh man that's that's pretty tough I'm G to say uh Desmond um I'd have to go Anthony Carter that's tough um let's get my man hutch in there Steve hson can I sneak you with one maybe Jake Long okay so I got two receivers in right now I've already po that mode and I got two so that would be two offensive tackles or no uh a guard but also Blake Horman um yeah because you got some recent guys in there um let's put Blake in there let's put Blake in there for what he did uh these last couple of seasons and he's rocking the deuce out there too let's do that so that's that's five right that's five that's five okay that was a tough question was uh help me out is was Blake's uh stats over overall better than Hart oh yes okay I just remember being young and Har guy I think touchdown wise for sure I think cuz he got a bunch ofch touchdowns by any Michigan player yeah and he like I think he blew it out uh I didn't think he blew it out I think he beat about one or two yeah but did it with only like three years starting as opposed to was it Anthony Thomas yeah he was at like 55 4E starter and he got to like 57 or 56 Mike har had 5,000 career rushing yards mik was real what what the cor have not he's 3,737 all right yeah but the thing is BU even even though you have the all the yards and stuff it's still about impact too yeah like his impact on the team is is one of those things that you know it might not be top five in rushing or whatever but his impact on coming back you know what I'm saying and then his impact just just his presence on the field man so like my man Burke yeah I don't even I mean you had such an incredible NFL career as well it's kind of like hard to focus on something or start somewhere but I am curious like you're one of the greatest Raiders of all time and then you had that stin in Green Bay where you played a lot of good ball and then you come back to Oakland like when you were in uh hit free agency like you were somebody who were FR you was you were franchise tagged right yep so like was there you left Oakland the first time Bitterness Towards The Raiders? was there like bitterness with the organization when going to Green Bay like cuz you obviously came back around to Oakland but being such a great player for them when they kind of like let you go elsewhere was there like any resentment was there any bitterness of the business per se uh yeah kind of um because I I I never thought that I would leave uh Oakland um and and the bitterness was more so with you know like the GM at the time so not NE necessarily just Raiders it was just the GM you know and I think at that time you know you know they you know told my ages or some something that there was you know no value to bringing me back to the Raiders and that was coming from from that side and so it was like you know what I'm saying what what are you talking about um so yeah it was it was a little bit bitterness in that regard but I was also like I said I didn't think I would leave there but then it was I got franchise tag so I was free so I could go anywhere so I thought that you know I was going to have my my my picket a litter you know anywhere I wanted to go you know I was going to be able to go and it man it was it was dry as the sah Sahara out there you know what I mean yeah and it was It was kind of crazy and so you know I went in thinking one thing and then my experience wasn't all that great you know and so um through the process um Green Bay began to call my agents and and you know wanted to bring me in and you know I was reluctant I was like nah you know I'm not going to Green Bay so there's no really no really no reason for me to visit there and so called again and when everything was really like quiet from from everyone else and I had my agent reaching out to other people and nobody was biting so I was like all right well let me go to Green Bay because we got to at least try to draw some interest from I'll go there maybe somebody else will be like all right well some other people people are checking for him man it was it was crazy yo but if Green Bay didn't want me I don't I really don't know where where I would have played in 2006 if really yeah really why do you think it was so dry like at the free agency market D you know just there was a lot of lot of things out there uh one I had I did come off a injury I I broke my leg in 2005 so I missed the final 10 games of the season um and then people talked about my attitude and and talked about you know just a lot of different different things and so um and I think some of that came from the Raider side as well just you know putting some stuff out there for that one conversation you know right right right because because Mike McCarthy asked when I first met with Mike because it was his first uh I think it his first year was my first year he asked me about in our meeting he was like oh what is this about you you know being a bad bad team guy bad locker room guy and I was like what like man you can't talk to any players I play with that say I'm a I'm a bad locker room guy so I don't know where that's coming from so there was some things being you know put out there uh that mudded the water and so yeah it was just it was it was a little tough tough period man to kind of go through as a guy who I had done everything you know to point so I'm like damn that's how they that's how they really feel yeah did you did you have any moments that you felt like they were defining You by that you might have had lower moment moments while being on the Raiders that allowed them to say what's this about you being a bad team guy oh yeah I mean I I had some [ __ ] in me I ain't going to say that yeah but but in terms of you know player and you know uh guys in the locker room um nah it wouldn't it wouldn't have been from that but yeah I mean I have my I have my my issues with coaches at times um you know I like to hang out do my thing you know what I'm saying outside of playing football so you know maybe that could have had something to do with it who knows um but in terms of being able to play the game and you know just overall you know good dude I'm a good dude you know what I'm saying can you speak to uh like your development in the the film room because obviously like you're a guy you you're an All-American coming out Heisman Trophy winner top five pick like you have all the accolades right like it's like oh he's the mo he's just so talented he's super talented but I I was fortunate enough to play with Will Blackman for a couple years and when will and I we would uh we'd have our Sushi nights and stuff but he would talk about you as somebody who was always like last in the building and he would learn a lot of his study habits from you you feel like you had those Developing As A Player In The Film Room throughout your entire career you developed him as you got older because he always said the best things about you I feel like something like that like being a student of the game kind of gets slept on when you're somebody who has all the accolades in the world yeah I think it count it compounds over time because you you do start out you know like myself I was I was a a great athlete so a lot of stuff's going to come easy you know so you don't necessarily have to spend as much time looking at certain things uh but the one thing that I I I've always had as a player was I I've had great play recall you know what I mean so when you're out there on the field and you see certain things you start to pick up on Tendencies like I always had that without necessarily having to look at film and so then you know as your career goes on you take different uh different methods from different coaches like Vance Beford like I remember you know just going back to a certain play uh we played Northwestern my junior year and it was a third and long situation and me and him had went over what they liked to do in that situation and they they ran out and I picked that out off so different things you pick up from different coaches Chuck Bano was another guy who worked on me on third down as well you know being around him I learned a lot on third down Tendencies you know that being money down um and so over time then you start developing your own style of how you like to see things and so for me like I said I always had you know good play recall what I would start to do in my stud is I would start to watch the game from the opposing team's one yard line all the way to the one yard line but in the same Personnel so I want to see you from the one to the one same Personnel I want to see it in all parts of the field cuz you'll run certain things from 1 to 5 1 to 10 10 to 20 20 to 40 40 to 20 20 you know what I'm saying and a lot of it mirrors what you do from here to here you know what I mean so like you take a whe for example um you know I would have my film broken up certain ways and then I would tell those guys this is how I like to look at the film and so we would you know when we'd have our times together in our film room we look at the film and then we start going over these things now and when I would see something that would kind of it they may get to it a different way but it's the same thing I would I would go back to it all right now watch this watch how this team lines up on this play and runs it now watch him motion to it and run it but it's the same thing you know so I was always taught it's not how you line up is is is how you wind up so so those are the things that I was able to you know pass along to those guys and for me it just over time it was I got gradually even better at it you know what mean way to prepare and be like okay add it to your game and that that fires me up as a defensive guy that's that's that's football porn right there it seems like you had a good way of simplifying things emotions and stuff like that like this is the same thing just with a little extra dressing on it like to go back to like uh the you know tough lock room guy or these being put into a box of a category of your character for Charles Woodson how when you're hearing these things from different coaches from different GMS like how did you is that like motivation for you like I'll I'll prove you wrong and this is why or how do you handle those types of things when someone might be putting you in a corner and saying you're like this when you truly don't feel you're like that actually I was kind of I was hurt man you know what I'm saying yeah that kind of hurt you know cuz I i' never um throughout my whole life had never been in a position where people doubted me you know what I'm saying NE never and so that was that was a a period where it was like there was there was some Doubt cast over me as a as a as a football player now you may not like me as a person or whatever that is but like on the football field like to have somebody say man he he can't do that anymore he's always hurt he's injury-prone he's that and ass like damn like that that that kind of that kind of broke me down a little bit um and so when I when I first got to Green Bay you Almost Retired In Green Bay know there was just a a period in there where I was like damn I don't I don't even want to play football no more you know what I'm saying so at at Green Bay yeah when I when I first got there and I first signed you know I I I I called a few people who are close to me and I was like yeah I think I'm I think I'm going hang it up and and it it was my uh my agent at the time Kevin Poston he uh he said hey man he said you signed the contract right I was like yeah I signed the contract he was like well that's like giving your word and I was like yeah he was like you at least at least need to play one at least play one year you know what I'm saying because you've signed the contract you gave me your word at least need to play one year and so I was like yeah you know what that that makes sense that makes sense so you know I I I got through that little period and then you know things just kind of just started to take off and slow down in Green Bay where I was like all right I'm back you guys had a good team too it looked fun like everybody talked about your schematics defensively um why am I forget his name coordinator well that was later you talking about dime Capers okay that was later on when I first got there it was uh another guy but we but in terms of having fun we had we had a great group especially secondary wise Al Harris yeah Nick Collins Tran Williams had just uh come in um some young some other young guys Atari Bigby so like our secondary you know then young will comes in we had just some young Good Guys on that secondary man and uh it was great because you know when you talk about will I had some young guys that kind of looked up to me and so you know kind of watching what I did and talk about the film study and all those sorts of things so then it really became fun because because then it was almost like a responsibility how how am I going to get the help these guys you know get to the next level yeah and it was really about going out there and showing them for the most part but then just those little things like you know finding your own way to watch the film that makes it easier for you right and then you grow from there when did you find that transition of like when you first in the league and you get in a locker room with a bunch of NFL players you're like oh [ __ ] that's the so and so oh that's this guy and then eventually it flips where people are coming in and they're a fan of you now yeah now you're yeah you're Hon you're the dude that people are like yo like let me watch film with you and like where where do you think that switch turned for you in your NFL career was like okay I'm now the guy that's supposed to be leading not following if Becoming An Old Head In The League following for a lack of a better word because you're always going to do you when you're young it's just like you're looking up to these guys now guys are looking up to you it was it probably started around six years in MH because that's when cuz so when I first came in like Tim Brown Tim Brown was in the locker room you know what I'm saying yeah Napoleon Kaufman who I watched in college and then he was with the Raiders um who else do we have man I dude um I just saw him too uh I'll think of it a minute but in a minute but Russell Maryland uh Pat swilling Uh um it was it was crazy you know what I'm saying cuz cuz when you're when you're young you don't you don't think you'll catch those guys it seems like it seems like it's far away and then Jerry Rice came in like holy [ __ ] these dudes are in the same locker room you know and so then around six years in then those guys are gone Tim's gone uh Jerry's uh he's gone now and so now those those older guys are kind of peeling off and so now you're starting to be one of the older guys and so then it kind of becomes oh man you know I used to watch you then as you get older you get to Green Bay oh man you used watch you and then all of a sudden your grandpa he's like damn how when a rookie comes in they're like yo I used to watch you in high school I film High School like damn High School really have been in the league for a while maybe I kind of am him no doubt who are some of the best leaders you've been around and maybe they weren't the biggest names either but who are some of the best leaders that you've been around um like Tim Brown was a great leader um I thought that um one of my favorite guys who was who was with the Raiders when I first got there was uh Eric Turner you know who who passed away uh maybe like my maybe like second second or third year in the NFL Eric Allen you know tremendous guys like I I feel like when I came in we had we had like real real Veterans of the game you know what I'm saying you know guys who you know had been through a lot and just you know they they they respected the game you know what I mean they they had respect for the people who came before them like I played with those kind of guys man and so I would say those other guys who you know come off at the top off the top of my mind uh when I first got in you had a you got two boys right I got two boys yeah two boys how has it been with them starting His Kids Trying To Keep The Legacy Going to play sports and you kind of like hey the expectation is not to win a Heisman and be defensive player of the year first round pick like how do you temper those expectations when your kids are looking up to you as a father like I want to be like you and succeed you essentially yeah it's funny because I I have the conversation with him um and it's funny because there's two different responses mhm so you know I could tell my my oldest you know hey man you know look you got all the talent in the world you know you'll be compared we got the same name you know but you can't worry about that you know you just got to go do your thing whatever is going to happen is going to happen he's like okay yeah that appreciate it I tell my youngest son hey man you know you don't got to you don't got to be this or that Dad I'm G be in a Hall of Fame with you so how do you feel when he say that I'm like cool you know what I'm saying you got to speak it first you know what I mean so are you like you guys have to go to Michigan uh kind of unofficially yeah yeah yeah if they're if they're highly recruited man are you gonna dude well I I you know I do I do tell those guys man listen I want you to be able to make your own decision wherever you you know when it comes to that point but there's just one place you you can't go yeah you know what I'm saying come on man can't go okay hypothetical for whatever reason your kids are playing they're playing ball they're getting offers but they're like small D1 offers you're getting some Maxs you're getting some some appstate type of d1s but there was one big team that comes in and happens to be Ohio State hey here's my question though why would you ask that question I know I'm a disruptor I'm a disruptor yeah Ohio State taking a shot yeah okay full ride oh yeah what we talking about you know it's all full ride hey hey nil oh yeah might had you put the scroll in Gray on BET hey nil for a ride nobody else is caller I might have to think about it that would be so tough games you going to walk in that Stadium be so tough for him bro wearing red jersey SC against Michigan like hell yeah hey I'm going to watch from the blimp yeah get up there you have to watch from home something that's funny that's a good question that'd be a hard situ that yeah that'd be tough were you in green B with Favre And Rodgers Drama fav and Rogers yeah I first got there Favre was there what was that drama like you know everybody got to see you know Favre retires he comes back you know they'd never you know they wouldn't see eye to eye there's obviously been a lot of public conversation and and like transparency or subjective opinion around it like what was it like or be like being kind of like in that drama or around it not well yeah I think for I think the guys on the defensive side we didn't really pay attention to it because it's more you know he's in the you know Brett and and A-Rod they're in the meetings together all the time they're always on the offensive side so we really don't we really didn't get into that portion of it the the most interaction like for myself with A-Rod is A-Rod was on the practice squad and so he would always go against our defense so that was really all I really paid attention to was that part of it um now I I I remember that you know there was um talks of you know Brett saying he doesn't really need to help you know the the guy that they just drafted basically to to replace him right but I never really laid eyes on like visible tension between them because I wasn't paying attention to it right you know what I mean so yeah it it wasn't it wasn't anything that I really um could comment on because I was I wasn't in the middle of I didn't care yeah yeah to be honest yeah no that's that's fair I mean I'm trying to I'm trying to win a Super Bowl and and usually a coach it's like hey we got a pretty good one over here in 12 and you're just thinking like yeah he does a good job practice squ but we should be there picking this ball off right now and we and we knew it man we knew it right away like when when Brett was kind of in or out you know coming back or not coming back and we would play we would play you know against A-Rod uh in those practices and it was like oh yeah when when Brett leagues we're going to we're going to be be we're going be they've a spoiled quarterback franchise rers found found another one it looks like yeah guys we excitedly interrupt this episode to bring you Dave and Busters dve Busters is the best place to watch basketball this March 86% of American employees will spend at least some time at work keeping track of March basketball stop pretending to work watch the games at dve and Busters dnb's as we like to call it on March 21st dve and Busters Nationwide will have an all day happy hour to celebrate the first full day of games um stop pretending to work come to Dave and Busters on March 21st all day for happy hour and all day for basketball or you know if you work remote you just bring that laptop over to dve and Busters I 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Bowl then I I would always think about man what if what if would have could have should have something right now that hurts sitting on this side of the couch yeah because we AFC championship AFC Championship all right go ahead sorry so no yeah so um I got that um and then when I retired you know I I didn't I really didn't know what what I was going to do after I retired but what happened was you know you get these these um these articles that they they write up about current players who are retiring who may be good on television and so um after I retired I went right into Television right I started work for ESPN so I really didn't have a time to really like be retired and and be scared about that whole transition because I I I really went right into something so I would say I'm very fortunate that that happened because I didn't have to sit around like looking back at oh man I don't have anything to do you know football's gone you know so I was uh I was blessed to have that happen and then third I would say I play 18 years and so sh crazy man you know what I'm saying like that answer just turned my question into a dumbass fulfillment I played 18 years and and so I I feel like the the the the thing thing for me that I always think about is that I remember the morning where I knew I was done playing and it it was against Detroit we in Detroit and remember looking out the window and it was snowing and Detroit's in the in the dome so it don't it don't matter but I remember looking out and saying man if they cancel the game today I would be okay and as soon as I said that to myself I was like it's over and so that morning that day I I mentally I retired so I always say that I actually had that was like the 10th game of the season Al I actually had six more games where I was able to play after I retired so I fulfilled myself as a player and then I got to come out of retirement and play again for six more games so dude I I my my journey has been um I I wouldn't trade it yeah you know what I'm saying I wouldn't trade it so and when you were talking about hey I'm going to rap I'm going to be done in my career what year was that 2015 2015 y so that's I mean imagine walking away from the game when you were with the Packers signing contract I'm good that that would have been yeah eight years I would have played eight years and I wouldn't be on busing with the boys bro yeah hey hey you guys be on you'll be like remember that one guy he won the highest been the what was his name yeah yeah yeah yeah what what got you transitioned into being an Woodson Wine And Whiskey entrepreneur with the wine and the whiskey yeah so uh I I got into the wine early man um when I was with the Raiders our training camp was in Napa Valley and so you know each year training camp I was out and about you know great restaurants all over the valley and everyone was drinking wine like all the time like morning noon and night always drinking wine so I just got really interested in it and uh created my first label uh in 2005 and then um around 20171 18 intercept was born so that so first I was coming out of Nappa Valley now it's in Paso rubbles and then uh I kind of always wanted a spirit to be a part of you know just my experience and so few years back I met U partner of mine now and U we started sourcing whiskey out of Kentucky and uh that's where Woodson whiskey was born so man if if I don't go to if I don't go to the Raiders I'm probably not into wine and probably not into whiskey so it's one of those things where there was an opportunity I don't know why I saw it but I saw it and then bam here we go will uh meant to ask can he oh yeah oh man he can can he we got any you got any Cubs we got something around here you got you got to have some you got to have you talk about your relationship with uh with the Mark Davis yeah great great relationship with Mark man um are you Raiders over Michigan I'm I'm a Raider fan man I'm not Raiders over I can't do Raiders over Michigan you know uh I mean you're like one of the you're like you're obviously an ambassador but yeah you're always in you're always in the mix with the with the silver and black always in the mix man and uh you know it's just all about you know respect thing you know Mark respected the way that I played the game um I think he appreciated you know when I came back um the second time around and you know he had taken over and just you know playing on some teams that we didn't have a lot but just watching myself go out there every week you know sometimes banged up fingers messed up ribs and all he was like man you showed the guys what it was like you know to be a Raider so um yeah that's awesome Raiders do a fantastic job I mean I only played a total like maybe 10 12 games for the I do have a brick you got a brick to going off that I feel like the Raiders do such a fantastic job of like taking care of bring back the guy once a Raider always a Raider you hear it you hear it yeah I the Raiders you would have been a great Raider man was controversial yeah there there there were some there were some there were some chirps yeah man absolutely this is my commemorative bottle so this is only U this this is only sold in Nevada this one right here yep only sold in Nevada so this is a 2-year whiskey coming straight out of uh straight out of Kentucky give it something man let's let's give it a r so as I pour the glass and I swir it along I can I love the texture holding to the sides of the glass slowly dripping back down tell it's a really good whiskey as you sip it I like to put all around the mouth no PAW and take it because what I do like to do what I find the whiskey which is different is seeing how much it's going to sting as I swall as it goes down as I swallow it swall no PA no he's a swallow he's a swallow oh God I think the flavor it's got a nice uh sweetness to it the temperature as it goes down my throat no PAW is not harsh it's not something that I'm GNA go and take down and be like oh that was a little tough maybe I should put something in there to to take away that bite um sits on the tummy just right oh man hits that belly you kind of feel like oh I have a warming sensation if it's it's a cool day outside I put that in there I know internally I'm getting the heat I need overall 4.5 4.5 out of five I think I can I hope it's out of five tell out of this is kind of our would you like me to go how did you feel about that I'm close with what you're saying I feel like I taste and feel a lot of the things that you're talking about I think it's got a a nice sweet heat up front like not too much of that peppery up front you're kind of thinking to yourself like is it going to sting as it goes down your throat it does Nestle down your throat very smoothly and now that I'm in my my third or fourth sip it's got a nice warm not like a harsh where it kind of messes up your chest so why it's just sitting on your stomach it's very comfortable into stomach I don't know if you've eaten I know what you're saying yeah I am hungry and uh overall I would give it a 4.5 yeah that's so we're going to take that as a nine out of 10 so the our dumb shck is it's not about it's always going to be 4.5 because nothing's ever perfect but it's the description in which you hear that you can establish is that 4.5 out of five is it out of 20 so that's for the viewer to decide what out of I like that like even a harsh a bad whiskey would still get a 4.5 but you would explain it in a way of like Ah that's not my favorite my eyes are watering not a not a lot of taste in that but it's a good whiskey yeah no I like that I like that whiske that's a good way to put that though I like the whole I like the whole four out of five portion of it you don't know if it's four 4.5 out of 100 50 20 but it's 4.5 but I I I love your description and so um I had to come out here to get this matter of fact not too long ago and the first thing I thought was there there was there's a Sweetness in but I couldn't put my finger on it like like what I what I what I what sweetness as it was so later on I'll drink it again I I'll have something for you cuz it does my first thought is caramel like there's a car well usually you get a little in your your Bourbons you know you get a little bit of that caramel a little bit of that vanilla but but there's there's there's something else I I just can't cuz there's a lot of whiskey where it'll sting it'll sting your lips and you never get the you never get the flavor right right right right right so I I I I needed to have and I always want to have something that man you can you can enjoy um and know a lot of people want uh you know Barrel strength whiskies you know which is great you got to put put you a cube in it that's cool and we'll do some things like that as well but your your everyday whiskey what I want you to enjoy on game day I want you to be able to enjoy it you know not just you know put the cube in or or I don't need you to do all that yeah do you like are you more of a fan of your whiskey or the wine no I mean they're they're both my my kids I know you love both but what wins more what wins more right now who's your favorite child at this moment you're not you're going to say I love them both the same but you're going to think of one name first no not I'll tell you right okay can't do I don't do I don't do the Dion thing say k I love it I think it's hilarious hey I love both my babies the same my my boys but there's ones who more than others at certain times Well what I would say though uh what I would say with the with the whiskey is that it's more interactive that makes sense because there's a lot of things you can do with it you know so if I was going to have um uh a party or get together or something and we wanted to make a bunch of different things out of that whiskey man we got we got we got a whole range of things that we can do we can make espresso martinis Manhattan old Fashions uh Paper Planes we we can do all these different and we can make some with the wine as well we we do um we do a little uh it's called a at one of the restaurants I I go that have both of my products it's called The Intercept sour so it has their housemade sour mix my red blend which is out there and my whiskey and they mix it in this nice little I feel like you I you know what I'm saying do you have a cigar not yet I was going to say I feel like you got the whiskey like I feel like you got you got the nice the Aged beard that's really well done I feel like you're a cigar guy yeah did you like that when the Raiders would pull that out after the victory yeah talk about talk about AP getting the getting the head coaching job yeah I think I think Mark had to do it man had to do it it was a a ground swell of support for uh for AP and just the way he came in man and and the way that the team just really responded to him um thought he had to do it so I'm excited for him and I was able to go and talk to him before they went and played Indianapolis and I told the guys I said hey man I can't wait until I get the chance to come in the locker room and hang out at Club Raider with you guys and so last game of the season against Denver I got a chance to get into Club Raider after the game Max Crosby running around yeah hands me the cigar and that was a moment man that was a real moment and so uh I love it uh I think AP is going to he's going to you know do a great job I think he's going to you know hopefully you know he's a great a talent evaluator along with the new GM man and they get guys in here that love the game of football and who want to be Raiders and so if he can accomplish that yeah would be right would be right man we appreciate you coming on this has been incredible man there was one quick story I do want to tell it was after my rookie year and I was in town we were doing a charity event I believe it was yours and Charles Pulling Up On Taylor At Michigan hinson's charity event and I went to my old house cuz obviously a couple guys were there that I used to live at and I was damn near blackout drunk yeah and I was on some extracurriculars as well you come a long way from that baby swimming pool no question I was in the baby swimming pool a car dude a car pulls up and Charles Woodson walk you know the little you know the little pools that you fill up for like two year olds yeah yeah this guy sitting in it and we you know the the you seen the house I lived on it was like right on that main street called State Street and I was just up there no teach far not far from black out drunk not not far from he pulls up because I'm supposed to go to that charity event tonight I ended up going blackout it was a terrible experience for everybody else but me but he pulls up and all my boys are there and you came up that me up we talked for a second I got back in that tub after you left I felt like the [ __ ] man I was like yo he just pulled up just to say what's up and left random riding down the street Taylor lean in a in a baby swimming pool do it was I got to see what's going on over here that was uh that was an interesting time in my life will will uh has heard some stories about me at Michigan in the couple first I the Taylor I know way different all all of you offensive lineman man you guys are crazy nuts yeah you guys are crazy yeah it's definitely calmed down quite a bit thank God cuz I would have good good been out of the league who knows where you'd be right now no I'd be dead in the ditch somewhere this is what I tell people before you in is you you you're a different person now you do things differently and so we we all came into the NFL you played you know how many other years and you do a lot of dumb [ __ ] and so what I tell young guys is like I hope you make it to the other side you know what I'm saying because a lot of people in those first couple of years they get into some [ __ ] they never recover but if you can play long enough man and kind of just keep yourself somewhat clean and and and and keep yourself fit and ready to play and you can get to the other side man it's so much so much better you know what I'm saying but you but you don't know unless you get over it so I'm happy you made it to the other side appreciate that man yeah it's a it's a cool transition it would be an incredible regret to not make that transition and then be sitting you know out of the league knowing like man what could I have actually done if I wouldn't have just got out of my own way and so it was it's really cool but that moment was awesome man no doubt that was a very cool moment dude thanks for coming on this this is all time all time please subscribe Dad Dad Charles Woodson Charles Woodson my man appreciate you yes sir go Blue go Blue hey we got you this too