Altparteien im Auslaufmodell: Warum die Linke die Schuld auf junge Männer schiebt und selbst versagt

In any case, evenings like today, where we had really bad election results, are of course an incentive and motivation for us to continue and I would like to say that what we are currently experiencing here is actually a social thunderstorm, a storm that is causing a fascist party to become the strongest party in Thuringia In the country where the NSDAP was actually involved in a government for the first time as a historical role model, our biggest problem at the moment is the young men who vote for the AFD with great dedication and significantly less among women. I think we have to work on that Let's be honest, these old parties are really a joke, they constantly say the same stuff without me changing anything, always the same chatter, as if they haven't learned anything, they even take the ideas from the AFD even though they always demonized it before, that is no politics, it's like a kindergarten without toys and now the love of the left comes along and blames the young men in Germany because they suddenly vote for the AfD, you wonder how much self-reflection they still have if they don't get it right to adapt to the needs and concerns of the young people then they have simply done something completely wrong. Pointing fingers no longer helps. If your own base disappears then it is clearly due to your own mistakes. We are now talking about completely new power relations and about the responsibility of federal politics and I would like to warmly welcome the general secretaries and parliamentary managing directors of the eight parties represented in the Bundestag for the first time. The voters have already been thanked in detail this evening by you or your party colleagues in the states. I would now like to get into the content straight away and would like to start with Mr. Linnemann, Karsten Linnemann General Secretary of the Union the CDU is currently ahead of the AFD in Thuringia in Saxony, it is well behind in both um especially in Thuringia it seems almost impossible to govern without the BSW this evening their party leader once said that BSW is in Partly on the right and in parts on the extreme left you can ignore it ignore it with Ms. Wagenknecht it is obviously the case she wants the state to regulate everything she wants to redistribute she wants to own a lot more we are very clear I am happy that we were so strong I mean, what's been said about the CDU in the last few years, we're back and that guys like me, who have the ear of the people, who listen to the politics and promised something for Saxony 5 years ago and now the facts are there and he has done it better, that shows we are there and that is why we are fundamentally very, very satisfied. Difficult discussions will be clear, but tonight I have to say that Germany's CDU is back in Saxony, it is entirely possible that her Kretschm will form his previously relatively unpopular coalition can continue in Thuringia but I have to ask her again is it possible that the CDU will join forces with the BSW even though they are involved in foreign policy, for example, and Scha Wagenknecht has already mentioned foreign policy again this evening but they really have very different positions, which surprises me about Ms. Wagenknecht She didn't just do that this evening but also during the election campaign, she appeared there, was put up with posters and at events like in Altnau or somewhere else, she said at the beginning she didn't want to talk about Thuringia and the issues, but about world politics, I can only I would say that world politics is not made in Erfurt, but rather it's about education policy, economic policy, internal security, the issues that really affect people and I can only say to Ms. Wenknch, be careful at the edge of the platform, that's not how it works, the issues aren't talked about there But BSW has a very strong position because perhaps in Thuringia the BSW could also say they are going together with the AFD. They will probably have to be prepared for compromises. You should ask your colleagues here straight away. Yes, I don't assume that we are very clear about it the place that these are not easy conversations It is clearly crucial that we have clearly received the government mandate, what has been said about the established parties, we are the only established party that has delivered, we are four times as strong in both parliaments as the Chancellor's party, the SPD, which is why other parties have to ask themselves what responsibility they have We have fulfilled our responsibility, we do politics for the people, but you also have to ask yourself in Thuringia whether you might be able to jump over your political shadow of the incompatibility decision with the left , because it may not be enough without the left, what are you doing? We are very clear In the federal government we have incompatibility with the AFD. The voters knew that before the election that we would not be colluding with the AFD and that will also be the case after the election. We are fundamentally honest and on the left we also have a clear decision and are sticking to it that means that TH Thuringia may be ungovernable. I'm going to Ms. Mohammed Ali. Ms. Mohammed Ali, her newly founded party is the big winner tonight, double digits in both countries. It could be that there won't be a governing majority in either country without the BSW They have always made it very clear to the left in the Bundestag what they think of the CDU and the Union. Can they even imagine collaborating with the CDU? We haven't ruled that out. The CDU is a democratic party. There are certain overlaps there too Differences between our programs but, as you rightly say, we have now achieved a very good result in these two state elections and we are of course ready to take responsibility and have discussions, although I have to say that Gers Wagenknecht is of course described as left-wing extremist and right-wing extremist Nonsense, but I'm wondering what's actually driving them now, so I think they need to think again about whether they really want to maintain such an absurd attitude, so I think that really doesn't help us at all and world issues that don't play a role there, people want the problems on the ground to be understandable. In the election campaign we also addressed the issues that are decided locally, but also the issues of foreign policy, peace policy, these are things where the countries can make themselves strong and these are above all Things that affect people in the states very strongly, that's why we have that but they are not state policy. May I go back to the S? May I go back to Ms. Wagenknecht, she said this evening that the relationship with the AFD needs to be reorganized, stick with it They won't enter into a coalition with the AFD, of course, so that's what we said very clearly today, and we won't change our mind, Mr. Baumann, your party is ahead in Thuringia, currently just behind the CDU in Saxony, but there are very clear ones in both countries Majorities against you and as you have just heard, no willingness to work with you, will you remain an eternal protest party or will you have to change your positions in order to gain a majority? Over 30% of voters agree with us, that is a revolution in the party system that we have tonight The AFD alone is three times as strong as all the traffic light parties combined and the BSW and CDU only performed better because they accepted our demands in migration policy. This evening it is clear that the dominance of left-green politics and parties has been broken. The voters want something now completely new and that's what we stand for, Mr. Baumann, they are not three times as strong as the other parties and in fact, as you rightly said, they stand alone because no one wants to collide with them. Mr. Höcker has stated that a minister wants to become the President of Thuringia A very large majority of voters in Thuringia do not want to be governed by Mr. Höcke, do they have the wrong staff or are the voters just using them as an amplifier for their protest? The voters decide to govern against a third of the voters and exclude them, that works Not in democracy in the long term and we see AFD is working CDU BSW have taken on our core demands in migration Mr March now even wants to close the borders and reject them at the borders he wants to deport people to Afghanistan to Syria that is our program our party ours Demands are implemented in politics, it doesn't matter but it almost doesn't matter which figures and parties agree on an unstable coalition against us in the short term. That will prevail in the long run. Mr. March doesn't want to close any borders, he wants to apply this quite consistently is the difference want to reject at the border that's the difference between you and us they want Germany to be bad Mr. Höck says when the economy is doing badly W companies you can look at when companies are doing badly the ALD doesn't think Mens is not a human being and March would like to close the borders because if he refuses at the border that is exactly our program that they have adopted, Mr. küer, the SPD is having very bad results in these state elections, just like in the European elections. They called for a different posture from the Chancellor on ZDF this evening That's different than a note of attitude or do you demand consequences? So first of all, um, you have to state that we didn't achieve any good results today, but we were able to prevent what some people had hoped for and some people had worked hard for, that was out of the hands of the parliaments. I'm with the members Suburbs in both regional associations are very grateful and would like to remind you again that there is a year behind us in which we not only had polls with 3% but where facial bones were broken in the election campaign and houses were set on fire. That's a footnote if you even think about it Anyone who was on site can still call the election campaign year 2024 that. I was a lot of people who clearly noticed that federal politics not only didn't provide any tailwind, but in some places it also clearly stood in the way. Yes, Saxony and Thuringia were not traffic light countries before either Let's call it that, we previously had three 20% in Saxony and 18 in Thuringia, so no one has to act as if it was a completely new realization that we can't achieve much together, but it was clearly about the fact that many people didn't make a decision have understood what has been hit in federal politics by international politics about some of the change processes in everyday life and that doesn't necessarily always mean that they think it's all wrong, but what is missed is that politics is explained and it's not just about the Federal Chancellor but about everyone involved People in the party in the government and beyond Democracy has to mean exchange and friction, we didn't do enough of that, exchange and friction seemed to be there relatively a lot would say, be confident in what you do and do, I also said in the ZF this evening that I leave it alone No more dancing around on the nose, that went to the coalition partners of the Greens. Chairwoman Omit Nuripur reacted very sharply and said that tone was not helpful. We now have to prepare for another round of bickering starting tomorrow. This traffic light is actually just a transitional government again oton nuripur I did n't think much of the term before. There's a government for four years based on the majorities in parliament. We have to make the best of it. For me, it's about the following. I simply listened carefully during the election campaign in Saxony and Thuringia. You meet a lot of people there who voted for my party in the last federal election in Saxony 20% definitely means you'll meet them again and they often say I still think what you stood for 3 years ago was right. I don't regret the decision I made back then, but I'm pursuing it News and sometimes I have the feeling how can it actually be that what I made you the strongest force for is constantly being blocked and hindered by others. We still have a year until the next federal election. There is still a lack of a large pension package that has been clearly agreed between them Coalition partners lack regulations on the topic social tenant protection in Germany and there is a lack of a federal tariff loyalty law in which only good work and collective agreements are still ordered with taxpayers' public tax money - these are things for which we were elected and we want to be able to speak and tell people in the next few months Now it's coming and that's what I announced, there will be a tougher approach directed at the two coalition partners who are blocking, we heard this evening Ms. Büning, the Greens experienced a real disaster this evening, why are the Greens so successful? Not even after 35 years of united Germany building a structure in the East. Those were bitter results for us this evening, but not just for us, they are bitter results for society as a whole and especially for the democratic forces and that's why I think we have to do it again emphasize that Kevin kün has just mentioned it, we have seen attacks in this election campaign, attacks on election campaigners on people who have stood up for our free and open society and we have to support them exactly this evening and say very clearly that we will continue to fight for a free, open and democratic society, a free, open life together and I think that is very important because a lot of people are really worried about what will happen next and voters understand that, especially in the East, they are seen as a kind of hate object not there or they don't understand the voters we have been present in the east for a long time we are we have a history of Alliance 90 we are also a force in the east but the structures are not as strong as they are in other regions of Germany we are in close conversation and Kevin Könert has just mentioned it, we have also seen in this election campaign that we have to be more in conversation, that we also have to explain our policies and the government's policies better and I would like to say it again in this election campaign Especially seen, it was an upbeat mood and to be honest with the gentlemen of the Union, if you run an election campaign by dividing people by making the Greens the main enemy by talking to anti-democrats, then you are doing a lot for democracy and helping exactly those people who despise democracy, Mr. Huber, let's get right to it. The chairman of the tsu has more or less ruled out a coalition with the Greens at the federal level next year. What do you say about Ms. Büning's accusation? I also find it just too grotesque that they do The Greens complain that the Union should be to blame for the bad mood towards the Greens. The Greens are to blame for the bad mood because of their bad politics, because of a heating law that is invasive, because of an ideological climate protection policy that people perceive as invasive. Robert Habeck is the worst economics minister the country has here is a nail in the coffin for entire sectors, he represents uncertainty and a backlog of investment for a loss of industry and in this respect it is just ridiculous if the Greens now stand up and say they are to blame for the bad mood towards them The Greens would be the Union, they should fasten themselves by the nose and especially in view of today's election results, where overall the traffic light still gets between 13 and 14%, it is completely clear that tonight is a complete slap for the traffic lights and a traffic light that is so miles away You don't have to be surprised that we've run the election campaign and we 've seen rising economic figures . We've turned around in energy policy, where they've failed to do so for years. I think you can really say that they're talking about it too Chess move them somewhere else Mr. Habck and the Greens stand with the traffic lights for recession and downturn that is the truth Mr. Huber, today's election evening poses a problem for their sister party, they will most likely have to form a coalition with the BSW and possibly Even with the left, it makes sense for the parties of the democratic center to shoot at the Greens in this case as they are currently doing. On the one hand, it is also a question that the CDU regional associations have to decide on site. Our statement is clear Clearly in the direction of the federal election, definitely not a black-green party. The Greens are full of ideology. They stand for a downturn. Ms. Berbock is still blocking the issue of deportations. She is a threat to internal security in Germany. Robert Habeck is the driving force behind entire sectors of the economy and is therefore for It's completely clear to us, definitely not, we're growing again in the East because of the energy transition, Mr. ji, let's come to the FDP for two and a half years, they've lost every state election vote and their answer to that is always to show more profile. They've tried very hard to do so again this time To show profile in the last few weeks they have had less citizen's money with free parking in the city centers, it hasn't helped, it could be that the citizens would rather have silent cooperation instead of noisy demarcation, well the problem remains, yes it is a coalition, the parties in this coalition have different ideas, I hear occasionally, get your way, but do n't argue, with all due respect, that's not realistic. We have different views here. To be honest, I don't think that's a problem either, as long as at the end of the day we manage to achieve a good solution for the country and we have From my point of view, two central topics that also have something to do with this evening are the economic development in the country, we definitely have to achieve more and the big second topic is of course the topic of migration, people here have had the feeling in recent years that Here the state is failing with migration policy , so you can say that the current migration policy is affecting the country. It is our job to ensure order. By the way, this is about more than just the issue of migration, this is about trust in the state institutions and that is the central point I want to take up your idea again very specifically the coalition but this also applies to other governments or coalitions regardless of color theory the coalition must be able to solve the central problems in the country we go to Katina Schubert good evening for Schubert During the election campaign, your strong man didn't even let the Left print more than a word on the posters. Two of the two party leaders have already announced their departure before tonight. The Left is dead, definitely not on evenings like today when we had really bad election results For us, of course, it is an incentive and motivation to keep going and I would like to say that what we are currently experiencing here is actually a social thunderstorm, a storm that in Thuringia a fascist party is becoming the strongest party in the country where the NSDAP is actually participating in one for the first time The government was involved as a historical role model is a terrible challenge for democracy and that is of course an incentive for us and I would like to say secondly that they always say that migration policy is the fundamental problem. I think that is the right thing to think about if all people with an immigration history are wrong who live here in this country, who work hard here, who contribute to the prosperity of this country, if they stopped working for an hour then no hospital would function anymore, no daycare center, no bus would run anymore, no Zuch, the entire public infrastructure would collapse and it has to come out of mine In my view, an end to this constant agitation against people with an immigration background is grist for the mill of the AFD and the fact that all other parties have unfortunately also joined in to some extent, which has made them strong and not weak and that's why we have to stand up and THE LEFT will continue to resist, even if we are in a minority at the moment, even if we have a split to the right that says exactly the same stuff in migration policy like the AFD, we will stand against it and I am sure that the civil society democratic forces will recognize and experience again the value of democratic parties that stand for solidarity and equal rights. By the way, our biggest problem at the moment are the young men who are with great dedication to the AFD vote and significantly less for women, I think we have to work on it so that you have answered my question as to whether the left needs to rethink its migration policy because a large majority of Germans obviously want a different migration policy. I would still like to answer some questions for the death penalty if one Majority of the population for the death penalty I just wanted to ask I would still like to hear from her again. It may be that the Left has to form a government with the CDU and the BSW in Thuringia to prevent the AFD from coming into government if they do If that sounds like maximum effort, they would do it anyway, so what Budo Rammelo has managed to do in the last 5 years is to lead a minority government from three parties with the tolerance of the CDU, that is the highest level of political art and I am very sure that the left in Thuringia very responsible with dealing with her position responsibly, that she will continue to work to ensure that it is stable in the country, that there is a healthy economic what there is there and healthy social development and of course the coalition is decided in the country and not at the federal level but I am I am sure that Bodo Ramelo will now fulfill his responsibility as Prime Minister and will set up a sensible procedure there. A sensible procedure speaks more in favor of a coalition with the BSW or not. As I said, the regional associations decide for us. I was in a coalition in Berlin for a year and a half. That's what we have Decided all alone in Berlin, we don't need a federal government to tell us whether we should form a coalition with the SPD and the Greens, yes, but that's another different story now we're coming to our second round and I would like to know from Mr. Huber your party chairman Markus Söder This morning in a newspaper called for the asylum law to be changed. Do you agree with this, we are experiencing it everywhere, especially in the municipalities, that the country is overwhelmed, that accommodation options are becoming tight, that we have public transport in the healthcare system, that we also have problems with the Childcare in schools have major problems and that many municipalities are still sending a clear cry for help to federal politicians and that is why it is completely clear that we need a fundamental reform of the asylum system because we need an asylum right that is not exploited, it cannot be the case that anyone applied for asylum here and then danced on our faces and that's why we are completely clear about it. The Dublin rules need to be reinstated. Anyone who comes from a safe third country must also be able to be turned away at the border. Germany is surrounded by safe third countries and so on This has to apply and be introduced again and it can't be the case that the traffic lights here are still just making big announcements. I'm curious to see what will be implemented. So far it has often been like this, the traffic lights have made big announcements and haven't implemented anything and in that respect It's completely clear that migration is a topic that moves people. It's really about cohesion in the country and that's why these demands are absolutely necessary and right and the question now Mr. dinnemann lann Mr. Merz said it remains the individual right to asylum Is there a disagreement with the CSU? No, we agree. In the first step we simply have to apply the law again. We don't want to close the border, we want to proceed sensibly. We urgently need employees from abroad in our job market, but we can't use the asylum system Apply the law, that's why I just wanted to find out the difference because Mr. Baumann says all the time that's what we want, that's what we want. People need to know what the differences are between the AFD and us. Don't let anyone excuse it, please The problem is that we have to deal with the content of the issue of migration, not just talk about firewalls or something, but rather seek confrontation in terms of content. That's what we did this week when Mr. March went to the federal press conference and brought this debate into the middle of parliament and that's how we have it discussed the government discussed Mr. Scholz discussed with Mr. March, resolutions were made that are now being implemented, this is politics, we need it and then people will say again I want the established parties because most voters are protest voters because they are dissatisfied with the established parties you vote for the AFD, they don't vote for the AFD, for example when he says he's happy when the economy is doing badly and that's how we have to do it, argue about the matter in the middle of parliament, take care of the people and then it's fine The people are also moving forward again and it is also very clear that BSW Ms. Wagenknecht supported Friedrich Merz's demand for general admission of Syrians and Afghans this week. Mr. Merz has since taken it back. That is simply not true. Mr. March has explained that we are using the procedure again The hot W jem in a safe place of origin originally said that Afghans and Syrians should be turned back at the border. In fact, that will be the case in the end because those who come to us have already crossed at least one country where they are given asylum, who and that That's European law and we want to enforce that again. The question to Ms. Mohammed Ali. Are you still of the opinion that those who die and have to be turned back at the German border? The question is whether people have a right to asylum or not. That's the crucial one Factor and then it has to be decided and the problem is, firstly, that the procedures take far too long and secondly, that many people who are not entitled to asylum are still in the country and I would also like to say the things that we are now unfortunately saying had to experience the attacks that took place, unfortunately this was carried out by people who actually shouldn't have been in the country anymore and there is a problem that needs to be addressed urgently. There isn't much of a problem anymore This is a bit sorted, the one question is yes, does someone have a right to asylum, but the question that concerns us is does someone have a right to asylum in Germany? We also have to answer this question. That's exactly what it's all about, if someone has a right to asylum it means It doesn't mean that he has a right to get asylum in Germany, but he could, of course, that's exactly the point that's at stake, which is also what the Dublin Ordinance is about, that of course someone who is persecuted also has protection in a country outside of Germany in the European Union so that we can finally overcome the excessive demands. Mr. Baumann, after Solingen we are calling for an objection to be accepted and a stop to registration for at least 5 years. That would actually be an abolition of the human right to asylum and an end to all immigration. You support this demand So the right to asylum for politically persecuted people as it is written in the Basic Law, we support this enormous social and economic migration from the Orient and Africa in millions, that is what we want to stop, that is what the voters want to stop, that is what the CDU has now taken over. I am in the Interior Committee the applications are one to one identical for rejection at the border to Dublin deport Afghanistan Syria this whole program these were all the points because of which the CDU once thought we would build a firewall against the AFD because it is anti-human and inhumane and So now they do it themselves because it was sensible, our warnings were right, our demands were right and they want what no party is talking about. In contrast to them, the remigration of millions is what you call it. A million people can call it what you want. That's what's going on now Words we have 600,000 people who could be repatriated Denmark is already doing that, we have Afghans, you quickly get to high numbers, that's what the population wants, that's not what we came up with, the population is afraid, they feel like they're foreign in their own country, that's it and that's why they vote for us They still believe in the CDU and 70% of the party members in the East want to work with us in the latest survey of the CDU members. I'm curious to see how long the CDU can defend itself against this logic when they have taken over our issues during which they have become my firewall made it is logically invalid 70% want to see Michael kretschm that's the number because we have a Prime Minister who not only talks like you but the people want actions to see Baumann they talk all the time there is a place where they take responsibility, this place is called Sonneberg in the district of Sonneberg, they were the last to introduce the payment card there. They only talk, they want to compel the people but they are being dismissed. Mr. Baumann was accused of putting on a show last week when the 28 Afghan criminals were deported. What do you have to say about that? It would be a show if it hadn't happened. That's a real measure that's happening. Please slow down your pulse. It's about us all as stat questioning parties, all of us who want to be grouped together under it, having the responsibility to have the measure and the middle in the decisions find that we have to hold together a society in the difficult phase with very conflicting opinions and interests and that is why, on the one hand, politics has to react to what is clearly being encountered in society and that is not the overwhelming demand to throw out all foreigners or a to become a hostile country but to bring in more order in places that annoy many people and the question is: Do intensive offenders really have to be here with us permanently or can we find a way without breaking human rights? That's important. Being a constitutional state also means us we don't have the death penalty, we are not in favor of such methods. If you do something like that, you have to make sure that people's minds aren't being made shorter in Afghanistan or Syria, but it shouldn't be a blanket excuse to say because we don't have the confidence to organize it Germany has to live with the fact that these people are among us. That is what we mean in moderation in this discussion, to separate migration of workers from what is in the area of ​​enforcing asylum law, for example with the Dublin procedures, and it is also very important to recognize what is already happening You can't find enough of anything that happened, but in contrast to 16 years of Union interior ministers in which a lot was said but not much was done, the number of arrivals is going down, the number of deportations is increasing, at the moment we have defined new so-called safe countries of origin and deportations are now also being made in the direction of Afghanistan These are real things that have happened from this federal government by the Social Democratic Interior Minister, we won't let that be downplayed, but we will never allow resentment as a social democracy, never allow people to be spoken of contemptuously who have nothing to do with everything they have listed In terms of measures, the Greens supported things that were certainly very difficult for you in many areas, but it's obviously not enough to show the voters that they have competence in this area. They don't believe you, how far are they still moving on this migration issue? We clearly stand for the right to asylum and we continue to stand for it and it's about protecting this right, which is why a number of measures have now been introduced by the federal government. Kevin Künert has just listed them and they must now be implemented The procedures have to go faster, they have to run better, that's right and intensive work is now being done on that and I also think it's really dangerous when new measures are constantly being put on the table that could somehow be suggested to the citizens Now we'll just close the borders very quickly, we won't comply with that, it's not legal and that will cause frustration because it will give the impression that we can somehow just solve the problem very quickly and the problem is actually that we are equipping the municipalities better that we also have to ensure integration and the other problem that I would have to address again because it really annoys me that we are talking about migration all the time again instead of talking about the right problem again, namely Islamism, the fight against Islamism We also have to address it and that's what we're doing now, but that's a really big problem. I'm sure you have a really big problem. I now have to ask my last question to Mr. Ji and that is the SPD parliamentary group called for a special internal security fund last week. That's what they should do In the current situation, they will be willing to circumvent the debt brake. No, I do n't see any connection there. Of course, we should do more for internal security. By the way , there is already so-called security in the budget management in the current budget discussion Billion so that's taking place but I just want to tell you one thing because we just talked about the issue of migration um investing more in security now won't solve the specific problem investing in security is always a smart solution but We have to solve the problem of migration in another place and we need the political path, a joint solution to the Solingen case. Unfortunately, we don't have time now, just to say g If the state of North Rhine-Westphalia had acted correctly at this point, I would just say that