Debunking Laura Loomer & Bone Face Ukraine Story

it's the oerman report and now here is investigator Ed oerman okay welcome to the oerman report I'm your host private investigator Ed oerman you could find me at opman investigations and digital for at Consulting uh just email me directly at operan investigations gmail.com I'm really excited about today's show we have crash Barry now you can find him at crash.com uh also too you can find him on Twitter at crash Barry he also has a patreon that I want everybody to go to and support the crash Barry patreon podcaster investigative journalist U several different podcasts uh the crash program is one podcast Uh disinfo maniacs pod he has a couple buddies he does that with Andy O'Brien and Nathan Bernard a tough Island Maine and another one devils in dirt bags he did this whole investigation on the the corruption in the Catholic Church actually did Undercover manipulation my man crash Barry Mr crash Barry are you there I am thank you so much man thank you for coming on the show well thanks for having me for anybody who hasn't heard of Crash Barry tell tell us tell the audience who is Crash Barry well uh I'm a investigative journalist I live in the foot hills of Western Maine on a little 20 Acre Farm I have been looking at the seami side of life in Maine for the last 30 years for like print radio uh and I have these podcasts that are really over the top I always find these very bizarre stories and the the saddest one is devils and Dirtbag season one of my podcast which investigates a murder uh that occurred when I was a young man when I was four years old in Springfield Massachusetts by a Catholic priest who murdered an alter boy and then the uh cover up and then the whole Scandal of the Catholic priests in Springfield Massachusetts five of my priests were child molesters luckily I was never molested but I was able to track the living ones down and I got one of them I tracked him down and he's like an old man uh and I got into his apartment building and got him drunk and got him to confess his sins and crimes and I got it all on tape because it's podcast right so I uh I think that your listeners especially those that dig True Crime and want to know more about the corruption of the Catholic church with like devils and dirt bags but what we're talking about today just infom Maniacs yeah that's my podcast with my buddies Andy and Nathan and we're we just uh published the latest episode yesterday of dis infom Maniacs episode 8 which is about the curse of bone face curse of bone face and that's why you wanted me to come on and talk to you and your gang because uh crazy crazy story crazy story yeah it really is um I noticed these Nazis right I notic these Nazis on gu was live streaming them on YouTube let me tell you what my take on is and then you you straighten you straighten me out yeah um so I want you these Nazis and right away because I'm from New York City I told you off the a little bit I was with the L side activist and the we used to fight the Nazis all the time back and protest back in the 70s and 80s and I'm watching these Nazis they're all well dressed they all got brand new masks they all got brand new t-shirts got brand new Flags um there's no counter protest so they they didn't have to promote this event they all knew each other in advance they're all close-knit they were to put up a pretty big turnout about 50 guys right uh well-dressed clean Nazis you don't often see that when you see these Clan guys and Nazis a lot of meth guys you know we had didn't see much of that well-dressed Nazis and they're being live streamed by some guy on YouTube and I don't know this guy uh and then but I see at the end of the March they tell him okay that's it stop following us and he says okay I'll stop following you which was odd to me too they're going to their staging area where their buses whatever they don't want to be followed uh during the march they're they see Laura lomer Laura lomer shows up just by coincidence I it just happened remember that scene in a the Falcon and the snowman I just the CIA agent from the embassy just happens to be driving by you Laur Lum just happened to be driving by that happens all the time right then it turns out that this fellow bone face you can't miss him that's face guy um and the porn star Buddy in front of him with the beard and the leather vest you know on the Chain you know right out of Central Casting right um and uh it turns out that Laura lumer is saying that this boneface was photographed with the qan on Shaman in January 6 now he just had the Q andon shaman on the show a couple of days before he's going along with the Laura on Twitter oh Laura Lum is a great investigator but when I contact him privately he says oh Ed that's not the guy I was photographed with that's not the guy the FBI conent me about so I don't know what's going on we got crash Barry oh boy oh boy oh boy that's where I'm coming in bone uh I'll call you bone face that's what crash Barry that's where I'm coming in straighten me up yeah okay well yeah you touched on a couple things there but I'm going to give you what let's just call it this a crash course and boneface and his posy there's all sorts of weird names in this one okay we got bone face who will go on a great detail in a second but he's the guy who claimed to be a freedom fighter in Ukraine um covered in uh uh tattoos on his head skull neck uh Florida man literally like hashtag Florida man okay we'll talk more about his criminal history in a second so you got you got bone face and sometimes I slip up Ed and call him bonee head so that's not it's just a it's like a but it's bone face okay and then Kevin mlen I'm sorry we'll go back and talk more about bone face more but then we have Hammer okay and there's no B bone face without hammer and there's another guy who's you'll you'll hear about in a second called handsome truth okay I'm not making this up we got bone face Hammer handsome truth okay but the whole story revolves around Hammer who's the the guy that you said was like a porn star the guy right he's got he's got a a a a beard that covers his facial tattoo right now that on the uh right side of his face is a it's in runes you know kind of like a hieroglyphics for Norse Pagan because he's a pagan uh yeah Hammer is a pagan he's a esoteric Hitler he worships uh uh Wen and Odin right and he thinks that uh Hitler is a Reincarnation of Odin okay this is where that guy is coming from yeah real quick real quick Shaman has those same tattoos you know on his body and then he kind of played it down when I had him on the phone when we when I interviewed him but uh and it's the same one as this Christ Church shooter he's the one that is right yeah that's well it matters which way they're positioned it totally ma it's a message okay so there's like an alphabet and the way you spell it uh arguably it's all fake anyways right because this is just some Modern reinterpretation of something and who knows how much it's been watered down so but I know he identifies as you know this kind of like Norse uh descendant of the the Norse gods and he's also very um uh say bald he's bald his has a uh shaved head and he's got swastika tattoos on his body because get this he's a tattoo artist okay and he's a Nazi tattoo artist who happens to live in Maine Ed that's why I'm on him okay that's why I've been watching him and that's why I know way too much about this dude because we don't want we don't want Nazis in Maine okay and real quick crash how was he how was he able to organize this big rally in Florida if he's from Maine right well handsome truth the third guy in this I guess uh threesome from hell is uh part of the goyam Defense League and that's a Florida group of Nazis who are just really all these people are jerks right they're all jerks and handsome truth guys are just go up to people at stop lights if it's a person of color or woman or you know someone that you know they view as a minority they'll just go crazy on them at just crazy they'll be really mean there're these guys that do these protests it's okay to be keep Florida white keep Maine white whatever you know they do these overpass things and so there was a a combination of handsome truth gang oh uh called the goyam Defense League and Hammer the dude from Maine okay has something called The Blood Tribe and Hammer is like the the the leader of that it's a cult it's literally a Nazi cult all right so you got this Nazi cult leader who's not from Maine okay he just moved here a couple years ago he bought cheap land up north and it's real scrub Rush no good like right picked over Lumber uh land right and he comes up and he's got this idea because he can buy 10 acres for like 25 Grand of scrub land that he's going to make this little like tiny house compound for Nazis to come to but meanwhile they go out and they do their activism in more uh crowded places so they so he came main there's a little hubbub when he uh was discovered that he had bought a piece of land in Maine nobody did anything about it but me and my buddies keep an eye on all these guys right because there's a lot of people in these movements and they're very public in weird ways on social media blah blah blah right so we watch them and mostly on telegram which is a uh messaging app that is prepared by a lot of extremists because it's a secure app owned by a rushing dude um but anyways so we're watching hammer and then suddenly he leaves Maine uh because he'd been uh kind of like run out by the FBI because he was they were going around asking neighbors what do you think about this Nazi living here so he he he decided the pressure was on he was just going to leave Maine for a little while and he goes down uh on the road to like do Nazi tattoos okay which are illegal obviously he's not illegal tattoo artist let me stop you for a second because you see people like General Flynn and these other right-wing Nazi types uh and they say well we don't recognize any of these guys they're not with us because we don't recognize them and they they're trying to say these guys are feds because they're not their buddies and they should know all the nazi racist you know what I mean well this this gang The Blood Tribe in go defense they don't care about you know General Flynn's guys who these guys are targeting are the people in Patriot front and proud boys who find that Patriot front and proud boys aren't extreme enough for them so they're welcomed into the Blood Tribe and uh into the goam Defense League so these These are the hardcore these are ones that make General General Flynn look like a liberal and I can't even believe I'm saying that right but that these guys are hardcore neo-nazis who worship Hitler who who are just literally they're the scum scum scum scum of the earth despicable people and I mean if they weren't so despicable it' be kind of funny because all the names and all the stupid things they have like blood rituals you can see all that my on my Twitter if you go to my Twitter you'll see videos of these blood rituals they do yeah crash uncore Barry crash uncore Barry and crash now you you don't think these guys are feds you don't think they're coin proo undercover oh not a chance in the world we we've been covering this my buddies and I really in- depth we've already done four episodes of just infom Maniacs on it uh which means almost like six hours of reporting we don't we're not like just sitting around talking we do actual reporting uh invest tigations of guys like this and here's the thing there's not a chance in the world the feds would be associated with him and I know and I'm not like oh feds are you know not interested in infiltrating of course they are but they're not the leaders of it you know what I'm saying Hammer is a whack job lost cause there may may be used as what we call I'm sure you're familiar with the term the Honeypot right where Hammer brings out people from the would work that might be some feds in there uh I have a couple theories about a couple that of his members of his gang uh that I watch some video that like huh that guy seems kind of fed only because he seems a little bit smarter than the rest Ed right there's one there's one that's like he just something smart and as soon as he did it I'm like up fed right I thought about it it's like there's no way a Nazi would be that smart it was to avoid pain so I'm like oh it must be a Fed but anyways these guys are all dirt packs they're all really freaky they're into Hitler and back in July they announced they were going to have this top secret March in Florida the one that you saw on September 2nd and they weren't going to announce the date or time because they didn't want a repeat of Charlottesville right they want to keep the counter protest away because those of us that remember unite the right in Charlottesville in 2016 they were vastly outnumbered by you know anti-fascist total Blown Away by the number of exactly and turned out to be a tragedy so they have to keep that secret they have to keep it secret and they had uh what they call a vetting bot right and then you had to be vetted by a human and and there's all this other stuff so they were initially talking handsome truth and Hammer we're bragging oh we're gonna have 150 Nazis March under the swasti and you mentioned about like the the brand new flags and the uniforms well guess what it's a grift right of course cuz Hammer sells all the merch okay so he's selling the red shirts that they all have to wear uh well he's selling some of them I I I don't want to make a Blake a statement there he he mandated what shade like what panone color red the shirts had to be but because there were a couple little different groups involved he allowed them the ability to um you know have their own logo on it but the ones that said Blood Tribe had the symbol on it that was his merchandise and they're long sleeves because he wanted them to wear long sleeves to up tattoos but it's like Florida right Florida it's like so a bunch of guys wore short sleeves and shorts so it's funny you thought they were organized to me I'm a former Coast Guardsman I fought the War on Drugs and the war on Haitian refugees right back 1980s right so as a young man I was a sailor in the US Coast Guard so I've been to boot camp I know how to March and those guys didn't know how to March so out of Step they were you know maybe to a civilian uh you know I didn't even notice them marching to be honest I didn't notice the marching part if you saw the the the bulk of the March you'd be like what right it's like they are don't have military bearing which shows that not many of them are actual veterans and so they drew from all over the United States one guy spent three grand to get from there from California there is a whole van load from the Upper Midwest where they're holding another one in Wisconsin somewhere sometime in December there's going to be another one of these marches and so they drew from all over the place right and that's how they got their 55 guys but they claim there's going to be 150 they got 55 but as you point out there's bone face front and center okay and boneface really scary looking dude but if you look at him he's kind of scrawny and if you really see him from afar you see he wears his suspenders down like the old skin heads used to do back in the 80s and 90s because there were skin heads that were fascist and then they're leftist skin heads and so there's two different skin head movements but he was a skin head and I gotta say unfortunately he's been on my radar for like two months so I know way too much about this guy named boneface okay it's like ah so back to hammer the bald wannabe Colt leader uh who has a place in Maine point star he porn star wannabe porn star tattoo artist don't get he doesn't know anything about blood pathogens because of all the weird ceremonies they do with blood but anyways he totally wants to go to Ukraine to fight on on behalf of the ukrainians because I'm going to give the crash course on this Ed uh in the far far right uh there are three real camps there's one that uh likes Ukraine because uh they believe ukrainians are white nationalists falsely okay and they believe that neo-nazis are welcome falsely okay so that's one Camp the second Camp of extreme far rights likes Putin because uh they're identified with the Orthodox uh Christianity that's very SAR to Russian Orthodox and they just love Putin because they're a bunch of you know um cucks right so then you go back to that first group they hate Putin because Putin supposedly uh incarcerated like 5,000 Nazis in Russia so the first group who's pro- Ukrainian hates Putin because of his treatment of Nazis second group loves him Putin hates Ukraine third group hates the whole thing says the war is rigged by the Jews to whites on whites fight okay so that's a a nutshell Hammer the PO inar wants to go to Ukraine he's a ex- Marine had no show had no experience in the wars okay none he was like stat side and I think he was in Japan for two years so no combat experience but Hammer claims that he's leading a small uh uh group of like four to eight dudes to go to Ukraine to battle on behalf of the as off Brigade uh or alongside which is like not to go too deep in the uh Weeds on the Ukrainian uh War but like the azof Battalion or the azof Brigade is now been folded into the Ukrainian military from my understanding but for a little while they were like a standalone militia and then they were incorporated into the National Guard there were some farri extremists in that group at one point but they've been purged it's not what the Nazis here say it is so hammer want to go over there do that and all a sudden this guy boneface appears on the scene in the Neo-Nazi world who claims he had been fighting over in Ukraine okay and claimed you had all this experience in these battles and in this Siege and all this you know like War stories pictures and his pictures of him holding a Ukrainian uh passport or citizenship right yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and that was the best because if you look at that spoiler alert folks the dude's lying okay and there's a whole trial they have a trial when this comes up but at this point remember nobody knows all these nais are so dumb right they think they believe this but if you look at that passport photo real close you'll see that his face bone head's face is superimposed on it so that the official stamp is actually under his photo so then there's a blue circle that he put on in magic marker oh no he used blue Sharpie to complete the seal right it's like M and then a lot of Photoshop documents weird like selfies uh with him with alleged IDs identifying him as member of azov Brigade which are totally bogus he he made Photoshop versions of things when he Googled azof Brigade ID cres Barry let me ask you this where in the world of Crash Barry crash berry.com crash berore uh crore Barry can people go to see these photos and the the analysis of the the photoshops well you know uh on my Twitter is the best place uh we have it there but also there's been a great investigation by Belling cat it's an investigative group uh they just did a story on it and also Vice news did a piece all of them have great details but you know I do the podcast with so and I hate to say it more details than you need to know because this is a mindboggling story right so like so like Hammer believes these like seriously man it seemed like a eighth grader using with poor Photoshop skills right or like just really blatant forgeries was enough to convince these guys and to me boneface is a scrawny little dude no military experience he's a felon we know this multiple uh uh meth uh trafficking meth use meth possession I mean and he was also in 2012 arrested as part of a Roundup of a Neo-Nazi group in Florida swamps uh and was actually snitched okay so he's got like a very uh easy to find history and these guys are like fooled by this fake ID that would look like something like a kid would make to be able to buy beer right and just like okay you guys are morons they Embrace him they put him to the front and they're like here's boneface and boneface just lie lie lie lie lie lie lie but meanwhile there are people out in the real world who are like well if he claimed he was airlifted out of that Siege only injured people were uh airlifted out of that Siege and also and you saw the pictures of him he's covered in tattoos you'd think people would remember the dude his face is literally a tattoo yeah right I mean you're not going to forget bone faces not even a nice tattoo so like it's not even well done yeah no they're terrible they're prison tattoos because guess what he was in prison so Blood Tribe and the goam Defense League have no vetting process where they could do the basic kind of research and and they don't have any cops working for them they don't have any pis working for them where they can just do a simple search and see this guy's background well I know it's going to drive you crazy as a pi but like these guys are Knuckleheads they have a guy named cracker who allegedly was the veter and in the years in the last year as I've been wandering Hammer he's always like bragged about our vetting is the toughest thing and like me okay whatever you know I'm not going to waste my time trying to infiltrate him but I know there are people out there infiltrating him but guess what the one that infiltrated him successfully was a con man right he literally duped them into believing that he was like a war veteran stolen Valor that's a big deal for me right like I hate Stolen Valor I mean they're great videos on on YouTube of Stolen Valor guys dressed up and in uniforms like their costumes pretending they have been participating in important battles and really it's such a disservice to to the veterans right who actually fought in these battles totally scummy move right they do it for attention well here's boneface he's doing not only is he doing Stolen Valor he's doing Stolen Valor of Ukraine right like a country he's never been to has no connection to to and uh really is uh turns out fulfilling the narrative that Laura lomer wanted I say crash Barry you're trying to tell me that Laura lomer got this wrong is that what you're trying to tell me hard you believe that Laura lomer could be M be wrong but you know who else got wrong Alex Jones got wrong Roger Stone had Laura lomer on to to break this big news uh St Peters had uh talks about it even the Dilbert guy I can never remember the dill guy's name umh Scott Adams right is that dillbert I think that's his name anyways they all talked about this they say it's like they talk about that boneface is a CIA operative right uh because he did appear on he you know who he duped but it's not very hard to dup them is RT Russia Today you know RT is the propaganda unit of Putin right and they just want to put this narrative forth that ukrainians are Nazis because that allows them to use the denazification part of the reasoning for the war is the denazification of Ukraine well guess what Ukraine not Nazi all right they hate the Nazis they've always hated the Nazis look back to World War II right so there's like a whole kind of like right-wing narrative false narrative that Laura lumer and this is what the hardest thing is to believe okay Laura lumer was getting her hair done oh is that what she said okay yeah she's getting her hair done and she lives like an hour from there okay this is just North of Orlando okay this place where they're holding this march on this bridge yeah and she spots them right and she's like what the she just got her hair done and she shows up and then they they recognize her and they have this whole back and forth and then she just goes home and does like a deep dive on bone face and like totally falls for the line Hook Line and Sinker at like 1 million per and so then keep track do you think she fell for it because even when they spot her and it calling a Laura jumer that all seemed to be bad acting like a porn movie no unfortunately unfortunately that's real so what they did there uh so there's a couple conspiracies one is that she's actually a guy okay well we know that's not true so that's why they call her uh Larry jumer there but secondly they started yelling [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] chanting that on her uh and that's a chant the hammer admitted to in a later um live stream that they stole from a a gang called NSC 131 which is an active Neo-Nazi group in Massachusetts New Hampshire and Maine and that's their intimidation they they're like 25 to 30 guys wearing masks and they will hold demonstrations uh at uh let's say the state house in Maine or in front of motels that are providing lodging to refugees and they'll just they'll do these keep uh Maine white or keep New Hampshire white and unfortunately uh when people confront them that's their whole technique is to yell at that yeah because main Maine tooken a bunch of Somalian refugees right for for um many years for many years we've taken uh refugees of all nationalities many many many I mean there's a Vietnamese Community there's a Cambodian Community there's a sudanes Community there's all sorts of people from Africa here and we we we lovingly welcome them good people lovingly welcome them because historically Ed over the centuries refugees and immigration has saved Maine right there's been many times when the Mills needed workers the Farms needed workers we needed uh you know railroads built who did it you know not the white man okay sorry I mean the white man did some of it but like there was you know immigrant Labor uh refugees from war torn Nations this is something that we should be doing we should be embracing that and then we get some diversity in Maine because Maine is you know unfortunately 95% white that's why some of these Nazis feel comfortable right they're like oh look we've already got the ethn state just go to Maine and I hate that so that's why my colleagues and I and others speak out against these guys and keep an eye on them because we want to make it so that they're unpopular not popular I got you but crash B back back to Laura Lomar back to Laura LOM yeah yeah yeah now uh um the thing is do you think she stumbled on this or this was she was tipped off in advance what what do you what do you think is going on with that whole situation I think she stumbled on it really and I I think that she's not in the know with the right people in order to figure this out because there was I mean some background on it that morning when the group was gathering there was like some mixups I heard about there it was like plagued with a ComEd of Errors of Nazis trying to assemble 55 guys before March and like they had chosen one place to go to and then they decide at the last minute to go someplace else and I think it was Transportation because like well you said oh maybe they're you know trying to get the guys are trying to get in their Vans no there wasn't any vans there wasn't any U-Hauls like uh they have with Patriot front they were supposed to have those but something fell through so they were like in civilian cars that's why they didn't want to be tailed right and then so Laura again I mean I could be wrong but my instinct as someone who watches this stuff totally lucked out um and if the hairdressing story isn't true maybe she saw something on social media and recognized where they were at because there could have been a live stream yeah there was a lapse yeah there was you could have zipped over there in 40 minutes or 35 or 40 minutes you could have done it I don't think it was a tip I don't think it was linked because uh even though it furthers that narrative like they never they never expected her to be there you could see the genuine Glee in these Nazis faces when they realized it was her right like oh my God I can't believe Laura luber's here and they went nuts so and and the video specifically uh the dude uh known as handsome truth is being interviewed by a reporter and one of the other guys goes look who's here and you see it in handsome truth's face like almost disbelief like oh my goodness what an opportunity for us right so I don't believe that's rigged and then you know the whole idea of like this being a CIA operation you know B bone face going over to Ukraine none of that passes the the the basic basic basic uh open source intelligence gathering let alone looking at it with a you know any sort of seasoned investigation uh investigative eye right it's just total Malarkey crash crash Barry what happened then she went home and started Googling and just fell for cuz he was calling her up too is that what happened right there's a little bit of stalking going on and uh so meanwhile all right let's set that so after the rally she goes home right meanwhile the Nazis had rented a Airbnb uh they called it a mansion there's a swimming pool they had an Afterparty they all got drunk and did this weird blood ceremony and I don't want to go into the graphic detail it's not that it's graphic it's that it just shows you how silly these guys are it's like a LARPing like a a blood brother sort of thing they have the spear and and the spear is so dull they can't figure out how to get draw blood I'm like I'm watching so I've watched like uh I think i' I've seen like uh 26 guys take the oath now and every single time um they're they're like sawing their hand on the spere instead of like I'm like don't they know any diabetics or watch like uh you know Sopranos or something where you you prick your finger that's where the blood comes out they sharpen the spear least sharpen the spear it reminds me of that guy Maurice Sim from blacks for Trump who who was arrested for trying to behead a guy with a dull machete oh my goodness sharpen the machete yeah his his C that cult killed 13 people that guy that guy you see behind Trump holding up the sign says okay I'm going to look into that yeah that's crazy I don't know that tale oh yeah yeah so these guys I mean come on Blood Brothers all this other stuff and then they rub their blood into the shaft of the uh spear it's very this weird homoerotic thing and like often times Hammer has to massage the blood out anyways the night of that uh rally boneface took the oath to join the blood cult and they've put up a singular video of him doing it it's like two minutes long and then there's a longer video like a Super Cuts video where they got like 15 guys joining so they put him up and that was they put him up drunkenly on the Saturday night meanwhile bone face is like suddenly like got to be like on the front page of every you know the Rolling Stone has like hammer and Bone face and like this is getting L immediate attention that there's this rally of the Nazis right so as these guys were partying and sleeping like all sorts of online investigators were taking a look at this and totally debunking it and we'd already been me and guys me and Mike fellas already knew about it and we' seen some of the uh you know obviously fraud stuff but we hadn't gotten into great Deep dive at that point But as soon as we saw this thing going we did and I went back to the telegram and I scraped I you know I took the video of boneface uh taking the oath the next morning uh hammer wakes up late and he's drunk or hung over right and he like checks all his messages and he sees it's blown up overnight that bone face is like a fraud and he's freaking out so the first thing he does is deletes that video well luckily I'd already scraped it Ed so like I'm the only one that has this video of bone face uh taking the Blood Oath because later on Hammer would deny that he was a member and I'm like ah too late dude you don't take the Blood Oath and you're not a member so then uh hammer acts crazy where he's like instantly distance himself and stabs bone face in the back and like says no way okay U people are just showing me this information boneface is a liar he's out all this other stuff I'm like well actually I was selling this to my colleagues I'm like that's kind of like a leadership move like don't give the obvious fraudster a chance to like explain why he has photoshopped documents right like but we we take no Guff here you pull some grief like that you're gone that's a leadership thing but it seems to me like like even after that uh lumer was still running with this oh she totally was because she's slow she's very slow right and she was milking it she's on Roger Stone I mean I'm sure she got more Twitter followers and I'm sure she probably made like I'm sure Elon Musk gave her like a $13 for all the bonus traffic she generated right so uh so lum's running with this but meanwhile everywhere else it's imploding right but the far right uh uh bubble right that whole Echo chamber they just keep on amplifying lomers thing and it's all over the place and then RT does it and then Alex Jones has it everybody's doing this stuff but the reality is that uh bone fa is the whole bone face narrative is crumbling in real time and then so that's all Sunday like Hammer's like this guy's no longer member of the tribe Monday morning I go look at the telegram again he scrubbed all that that's all God and then he says there's going to be that trial of bone face and then they live streamed it so like later on that week they had a live stream on telegram really Odyssey and bitshoot of the trial of boneface and it was a two and a two and a half hour long interrogation of bone phase and at the beginning of it it was obvious that from the first 10 minutes that this was totally bogus stuff but then they had like a Ukrainian um soldier who was fighting in UK in Ukraine I think he was Swedish uh but he has a Ukrainian wife so the wife like spoke to boneface and like it was jibber jabber like he was not actually speaking Ukrainian and he had some forged documents that they looked real close at like one of them it said like his his uh Kent mlen is his real name Kent mcclelen 3131 cast.com right like not even Comcast like if if you're gonna make up an email come on get the get the fake email address right and then there so many things that these guys are pointing out but initially The Blood Tribe veter and uh cracker and Hammer were all like oh you know we got to give him a fair trial because I've seen this stuff as like by the end of the thing they want to like hang them right so then they had part two of the trial uh like 4 days later cuz they were going to have more experts or whatever like they needed like more expert testimony well guess who didn't show up for that Tri Mr bone Mr bone face they call him Mr face really so boneface has this trick and I'm not uh you know an office worker so what else I explain this to a friend of mine who's an office worker said oh this is a total like post pandemic Zoom meeting trick that whatever like a tough question comes up you don't hit mute because everybody know you're muted you just like start mouthing like you're talking and nobody will hear you and then you'll get like disconnected so like whatever was a tough question like bone face would get disconnected and then they say well oh he's got a terrible Wi-Fi connection he'll be back later and he'll uh and then when he reconnects they'll like totally forget about the question they were going to ask him so he just lied lied lied lied lied denied everything the second trial part two was was just like everybody was just angry right you know they all these Nazis were like can't believe we were duped and like well good thing we found out now and all this it was really uh it was U kind of like a gang uh you know kind of gang up on boneface and it turns out it was revealed that uh since boneface has been excommunicated because of the lying that then that somehow revokes the oath that he took took okay so I mean I'm I'm no I'm no lawyer here but I've listened to the Blood Oath many times and all you're doing is swearing allegiance to and this is a quote Ed the Bros this is in it the Bros of the past and the Bros of the Future Okay and like uh blessed are those I keep the oath uh cursed are those who break it well there's nowhere in that oath that says you can't lie about your background right I don't feel like I'm not trying to defend boneface here but if we're going to play by their rules of this court and this whole legal fake legal system of uh you know the way they hold the trial I'm like I don't see that boneface violated that oath but Hammer says he violated the oath and Hammer's the leader of the cult so whatever Hammer says goes and so then Hammer uh basically cursed him said there's a curse going to be on bone TR now and uh sure enough within 24 hours a Neo-Nazi group in Florida beat Bone face up oh really yeah they beat him up but then flash forward to a a couple days ago and this is breaking news I haven't tweeted this yet I'm going to Tweet it later today or tomorrow is uh boneface confesses that it was all a lie you know I've got I've got exclusive video of that uh exclusive for now uh but so the whole thing comes crashing down where did does this play in the whole like far-right Neo-Nazi thing it's like many of the far-right um either just extremists or actual other Nazis that aren't part of the Blood Tribe are looking at hammer and his group as uh like jokes right because they like how could you not figure this out I mean as you and I know Ed it's very simple to Google somebody it's very simple to do a a background check like five bucks whatever um so these guys are being made fun of within the cult they're just moving on they're just moving on they're acting like it's no big deal a hammer actually says that it's a bonus right that this was a bonus that they were able to get rid of him before he did any real damage I'm like okay yeah before he does any real damage I tell you crash Barry I'm a little disappointed you tell this story there's no lion Tamers there's no jugglers there's no dancing bears trappes man you leave out a lot Mr crash Barry okay there had to be more crash.com they got to go to got to go to the podcast I can't do all you know six hours with you read you gotta read the book you gotta read the book yeah yeah right though I promised you that when we started this conversation this is pretty nutty right I mean and the sad thing is it kind of takes attention away from the reality here is that there are people like this out there don't try to sweep it under the rug that this is fake and and that there's feds they're very well may be feds but there are people like this out there and I got to say from the more and more of this work that I've been doing and I've been a journalist for 30 years but for the last 20 I've really been keeping an eye on it and it used to be Fringe right like I was the weird reporter because I'm like going to this right and now I'm like uh I told you guys I said we saw it you know the demonization of the other when we started seeing at first with gays and lesbians and then you know with refugees and immigrants and now with trans folk this is you know hitlerism right you're marginalizing folks and you're making them the enemy I can't tell you how much of that uh the fear of the other I'm seeing in this realm and we know that's what that's the baby that's fascism right there oh absolutely now what about um these pictures of a fellow that they were identifying as bone face next to the shaman on January 6th now uh yeah that's news to me I do not know that I'll look into that I know that uh he was not on January 6 okay uh I know that he was never in Ukraine it's highly unlikely that he's really been out of Florida I mean he may have made some trips on the continental United States but he's he's a meth head who's been in and out of jail and he's actually out on bail right now for like an assault charge and um you know there's no I I think that would have come up in other research than Laur L but I'll look into that and if I find anything out I will let you know defin no because real quick because at first uh Shaman was saying look at this guy was in a picture with me and the FBI questioned me about him that guy in that picture same it was bone face and then Laura Luma ran with that saying oh Angeli you know Jake Angeli says it was him we had a a CIA asset in the the capital on Jan now you're convinced he wasn't in DC on Jan 6 yeah I feel like that would have been part of his humble brag right like we have heard it from him like look I'm Legit I was there I I'm not sure 100% And I will look into it but my gut tells me I would have heard about this right and at first at first Shaman was promoting saying Laura Luma they have to say she's wrong about this because she's right about everything she she's right about they can't say she's right about this cuz then they have to say she's right about everything including her crazy story about October 1st and and uh Vegas which is complete Insanity yeah everything she says is questionable right so when there may be a a kernel of Truth there was a story in RT that said that boneface was a CIA operative but come on that's an RT right so like yikes that's all I can say yikes right that this stuff spreads like wildfire yikes well well it's interesting because now because when I want to have Shaman come back um he says well I don't anything about that that wasn't him that wasn't the guy that but on Twitter he was saying it was so I guess he's backed away but wow yeah I'll look into that that's you know that would be another level of complexity hey you wanted more circus St you asked for it that's watch what you asked for dude right that's the dancing bear coming in oh my God crash Barry crash Barry follow this guy on Twitter man great stuff here crash berry.com he's on patreon again crash Barry uh all these different podcasts he's got with different people uh all seems to be really really really good content man uh let Le if I have it pulled up um I don't think I do oh here uh pull up real quick I'll stole here well when the when the book comes out I'll come back on and talk about the book about the priest because this this this story about the Catholic priest is mindboggling and it's a a microcosm right I'm looking at one very specific dicese real close one that I know everybody in so I'm able to get really to the heart of what causes the Scandal and just the heart bitter truth that this was a cover up you know people want to forget that but we can't we can't forget that I know that's a heartbreaking situation and if you ever read the the Pennsylvania um Grand Jury report by those grand jurors um it's like a 400 page report no and by the way too that everyone says oh and they pointed out all these priests and all that there were not one single new arrest in in that grand jury investigation and the grand jurus did a 20page summary where they said Hey listen no one's going to read this whole freaking thing let's do a 20 page summary and when you read that 20 Pages man it's just heartbreaking the the lengths that these uh they were going to there was like a fulltime occupation for these guys targeting little boys and was all all they did all day long and they literally got away with murder as I talk about in Devils and dirt bags that podcast literally got away with murder the guy that murdered Danny Coto in 1972 a Catholic priest went to his grave claiming that he was innocent we know he wasn't there's so much proof the cops are covering up the the dases real real terrible story and yet like there's this narrative in the media that oh he had a deathbed confession I'm like no there's no deathbed there's no deathbed confession these guys never take full responsibility for their actions they're they're they're really bad bad people it's it's uh that's the only reason why I've been paying attention to the Nazis to be honest is it lightens up a little bit like the rest of my work is you know these Catholic priests I'm going to you know lighten things up with some Nazi coverage well well just imagine you know you have the district attorney the mayor the the police chief all going in there and confessing you know at least you know occasionally you know what I mean they're taking photo ops with these people just imagine the the what the dirt they got man y you know I call the priesthood a sex cult and I can stand by that 100% there's a weird sex thing going on there we talk about in the podcast but okay well let's not talk about priest now man yeah let's let's get lighthearted again bone face speaking of sex cult you know this guy Hammer the porn store uh they're doing these blood rituals and this other kind of stuff and cult tattoos and stuff almost guess how many girls hang out with them though how many zero right his wife left him he can't have access to his kids they have uh what we call their uh you know in cells involuntary cellit these guys are V cells because get this they can only uh have sex with uh white women who are unvaccinated and Pagan and that really Slims the dating pool right down to almost nil right so they're very misogynistic he actually for that March in Florida there was supposed to be a woman's auxiliary but like no women volunteered to help that the women were supposed to drive and cook for the men but they didn't show up so I don't think there's a lot of chicks in this cult now again from my first glance of these people it it looked like they were like uh stable kind of people with homes and jobs and things like that like they had they weren't like your typical Clan Nazi Street people like you normally see meth heads and separate bone face well and Hammer lives in a camper like a trailer right like a pull behind on the piece of land with no Plumbing no water no sewage no electricity I don't know how he's going to make it through the winter I mean main Winters are quite tough as you know so you're not going to do well out in the woods and that thing uh these guys this is why they always cover with mask Ed because they know if they're exposed they're going to lose that lifestyle of where they have a job because this is the way our communities react to finding out someone's an actual Neo-Nazi someone that wants the extermination of the other that's what they talk about don't let them fool you when they say oh we're just organizing no in their chats and in their podcasts and in their live streams that I listen to I hear it right I hear the warrior right I hear the Warrior bragging they're going to go to Ukraine learn how to fight and get weapons and come back and use it in the race war these guys have plans for some sort of white Revolution they always do that's their end goal so what whatever they say when the reporter asks them so Mr Hammer how do you feel about the Jews that's not really how they feel about the Jews right we know that we can tell but a lot of the media will just run with this like oh like the both sides of them right it's like yeah here's a you know Mr Hitler I'm like I'm not going to call him Mr Hitler I'm not going to call him Mr Hammer I'm not I actually don't interview I'll interview murderer priests I've gone I've interviewed murderer priests I've interviewed rapist priests I've interviewed criminals of all shapes sizes of wacky people I have constantly doing that right in 30 years I will not go interview a Nazi I do not talk to Nazis I don't need you right like they they tell me enough by just carrying the wasti up they tell me enough by appearing on like handsome truths podcast where they reveal that so like no conversation with Nazis uh you know it's a it's just basic rule number one in the media but unfortunately mainstream news says oh we got to give both sides I'm like nah not both sides ISM no thanks that's why I'm not interviewing bone face you know what's so scary too man um real quick is uh hammer handsome truth bone face all these characters these are like Twitter handles or you know what I mean or like cartoons they're like cartoons 20 years ago you know you had to use your real name but now a Twitter handle and you're like considered like a legit person it's just it's so weird like well look at the shaman right the kunan shaman right it's like branding they're branding themselves you know it's like oh I'm Hammer's selling merch he's a grifter you he's selling those flags Shaman sungl Shaman in real life has like six uh real names and and jelly chasley you know he's he's one of those like you know six length names right well we know the names of these guys we know the names of all the leaders these are just their nicknames right this is their nicknames the ones that I don't know are cracker or Nate or uh uh there's another one like um uh Goliath right they have these names within their group but we know the leaders and we know that their lives are ruined we hear that you know when they do a three-hour long podcast with a fellow Nazi and they're drinking Hammer drinks he's also on steroids right so he's like when he feels relaxed with a bro and he's talking to someone three hours into a podcast he'll reveal that this is a not an easy life and I think that's the only thing that I take solace in is knowing that these guys they may act like oh this this they got things going but really they're they're losers and the these guys all these guys at that party said this was the best weekend of their life Wow But but so hammer and a handsome are they employed any kind of income well Hammer does illegal tattoos and sells Nazi memorabilia handsome truth has a weird scam going with like live streaming and people throw them money and but none of these guys are living in opulence right I mean they're they're poverty stricken rightly so they have trouble getting on certain platforms there uh the the public sentiment is out there like for instance Hammer was banned from Planet Fitness I broke that story a couple months ago uh the woman up here in Maine that spoke out in favor of hammer and supposedly was like a Beck bed and breakfast for Nazis okay and she like wrote a letter to the local newspaper and it's a a newspaper that doesn't even have a web Edition right it's like the local Weekly right she wrote a letter to it like trying to explain the history of the swastika and I'm like ah no conversation about the history of the swas so did Shaman so did Shaman but listen man we're out of time I dude you have an open invitation to come back and and share whatever great stuff man I love it great talking to you you got thanks for having me you got to bring the lion Tamers man okay I'm not gonna get away crash Barry on Twitter crash.com patreon is the crash program uh and also called crash Barry there so you can find them there as well uh all these great podcasts different seasons one about the the church devils and dirt bags about the at priest tough Island Maine and dis infomaniac pod with Andy O'Brien and Nathan bernardy they couldn't make it today they were polishing up the uh the clown car but crash bar listen my friend thank you so much okay thank you had a great job me too good night e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e