Arnab's Debate: Amritpal & Gang On A Rampage; How Long Will We Sit & Watch Anarchy In Punjab?

from the Mumbai Studios of Republic TV it's time to goswami on the debate [Music] [Music] Arnav goswami on the debate at nine presented by Amity University powered by RP Sanjeev goenka group Century ply and Panasonic [Applause] what is happening in Punjab is very dangerous very dangerous we are spawning and allowing terrorism to grow before our very eyes we are giving it a free run we are allowing this person amritpal to become another cannot act if he is incompetent then arvind kejriwal who is the head of the party that is in power in Punjab has to intervene arvind kejriwal if you are allowing this to happen in Punjab then you cannot go and say I have National ambitions you are allowing an anti-national separatist to have a free run in a state that you are ruling your position on internal security and National Security Mr kejriwal is seriously under doubt it is being believed Mr kejriwal and not wrongly so that you are willing to compromise to whatever extent even to the extent of compromising with National Security to serve her immediate political interests it is appalling to see what the ahmadmi party government has turned Punjab to take a look at the pictures full frame for a moment just take a look at these pictures viewers I'll just speak over them and it is really tragic in Punjab today let me say one thing in Punjab today policemen are being attacked in Punjab today the kalistanis are thrashing the people in uniform in Punjab today the state is saying sorry in Punjab today the government is not in charge separatists who want to divide and break the country have taken over literally these are pictures from today ladies and gentlemen Punjab is burning like never before and kalistanis are successfully giving ultimatums this kalistanis are holding police stations to ransom they are firing rocket launchers on Police Headquarters they are thrashing policemen there is Mayhem of a different order different order and this person amritpal who suddenly I'm told came from Dubai nobody knows his background who's supporting him who's financing him this man has become an open and free separatist on the loose and Mr arvind kejriwal today he has successfully blackmailed the Punjab government into giving in this is incredible viewers you need to read up about what is happening in Punjab you need to think about it and you should ask yourself a question is this again I'll go to the pictures is this why you and I pay taxes for is this what we pay taxes for there are a lot of other pictures can we play them as well producers so full full idea what happened today can be seen by the viewers of Republic do we pay taxes to see the state capitulate just look at these pictures just look at the way all the separatists out there thrash the policemen the policemen give way the policemen are beaten barricades are broken police stations are surrounded there is open Siege and then amritpal says unless you free so and so person by so and so date and take back the fir I will teach you a lesson he says the Punjab government capitulated it given but I'm asking as a citizen of this country who allowed the Punjab government to capitulate to a kalistani why has this kalistani still not been arrested and what is the center National investigation agency even the home Ministry doing why are we allowing it why has the center not step in this man Amrit pal has put out a couple of days back a very direct threat to the home Minister's life this week and he's on the loose in this country people are arrested for this reason that reason this reason that's reason but this man is allowed to run like his own independent Army is operation why is the Punjab government not registered one single case against him why is the national investigating agency not registered one single case against him why if the Punjab government can't do it why does the Nia not arrest him why is believing in the very idea of Law and Order applicable only to the law-abiding citizen and why does it not just seem but why is it so that amritpal has been given a complete Free Run do what you want amritpal burn the state say you'll break the country give threats and ultimatums and we the taxpayers of this country will fund the government that will give in and capitulate to you we talk and believe that in this country a soft state has hurt our interests for decades I heard this in elections for decades when we come to power we will end the soft state where we come to power will be a tough state today Punjab is the weakest state government in the country it is a government that has allowed a separatist to literally unseat the chief minister bhagwant man you can't rule the state it is clear step out arvind kejriwal either take over or appoint someone else but declare Mr kejriwal what your position on National Security is you cannot be heading a party that rules in Punjab and not put out a single tweet on this ladies and gentlemen debate one tonight kalistanis are on the loose and this man amritpal has become the law in Punjab debate one two tonight serial abuser faces the law then he holds the airport to Ransom ladies and Gentlemen The Curious Case of Pawan Kera and debate number three tonight if you missed this last night everything from papers paperweights fruits were thrown there was marpit there was complete complete wrestling uh physical attacks on the floor of the municipal Council in in Delhi I'm asking you is this people of Delhi is this what you voted for and here are the headlines this Thursday evening on the debate tonight well here you can see that the barricades has been broken by the protesters and in fact they have moved all kind of security layers swords and rifles khalistani Amrit pulse mob unleashes total violence in Amritsar a tax policeman when somebody says how many debates you have in Hindu Rasta no debates when somebody say kalistan it's a threat to the country it's not like that don't misguide the public it happens in 1984. amritpal and his supporters shockingly lay Siege to a police station forced the police in Punjab to give in to their demands bhagavat man effectively gives up ruling the state its total chaos in Punjab complete Anarchy in Punjab but bhagwant man is busy with investment Summits and an election campaign he's not even there to take care of what's Happening bhagwatman totally missing I think he should just quit serial abuser and Barbara Congress is Pawan Keda faces the law for insulting the prime minister's father tries to make a virtue out of it shameful pictures from Midnight last night where papers flung apples thrown water fight on the floor of the house complete wrestling match people injured the nation is watching his shock as the up and BJP Fight Continues in Delhi and taking lessons from the vadra Congress it's Ally hurts abusers on the armed forces and agnivs foreign [Music] you would remember that on Republic on the 24th of November last year on this very program the amritpal reality was exposed and we showed you how he's a threat to internal security but three months later this kalistan supporters mob has gone on a complete Rampage through the streets of Amritsar brutally beating up policemen not a single case filed on amritpal viewers and the chief minister of Punjab is having a Gala time at investment events traveling to Mumbai ladies and gentlemen bhagwant man is a disaster we all know he's a disaster but that's not the issue the issue is the shocking abdication of any sense of responsibility citizens did not elect the Arab government for a kalistani to become the law a kalistani has become the law in Punjab ladies and gentlemen take a look at the pictures of what happened today and then together we demand action [Applause] everybody a little afternoon this was what the streets outside anjanala police station in Amritsar looked like moving towards them were those protesting against the arrest of amritpal aid laprit tufan layers upon layers from Ripple followers mostly in their traditional blue turbans and kurtas charged forward well here you can see that the barricades has been broken by the protesters and in fact they have moved all kind of security layers and you can see the visuals you can see the visuals as well and in fact they are moving towards the police station and and they are moving towards the police station the police barricades has been broken you can see the visuals as well we are just in the Midway of Midway of the crowd where the protest is happening and yeah you can see the entire situation is getting tense and the police is trying to control the situation as well armed with rifles wielding swords belting stones shoot over here after covering the entire spot now we have reached out in the hospital where the injured cops are here [Music] foreign foreign [Applause] [Applause] [Music] and at the very Helm was amritpal who stepped into the police station with his quotery given much much things that Monday I'm not a kind of person to engage public in such protests until they cancel the fire they will give us the cancellation report signing sign it and in 24 hours they'll flee the man until then we will do that amritsanchar cast himself in the image of bindranwale this was not the only threat he issued foreign foreign it's the need of weapon when you are claiming that it's a peaceful uh procession which you will be carrying out no peace can be established without weapons that's why the state every state have weapons the police we say the police is for peace why they have weapons but bhagwantman is busy at an investor Summit placenta seems to be aware of the propaganda but has left it to man to handle unto himself let's debate [Music] ladies and gentlemen the situation very serious I will play some of the pictures out here and it's not just a political debate it has become bigger because I think it's a national security debate right now Mr TR kakar first I want to come to you from a security perspective what we are seeing here is a rerun of what happened in the time of bindranwale do you see similarities I see clear similarities only in this case we don't know much about the background of this person amritpal I'm told he's a class 10 or 12 pass he was in Dubai he used to dress up like a rap singer till recently and then suddenly he's come to Punjab and has become a uh you know he's become he dresses like bindran Wale behaves like bindran Wale uh but the situation it's not just a joke anymore because we are seeing some very very alarming pictures on the ground and uh your take on what what you saw today on the Anarchy in Punjab and whether we're already late in acting on it today what we saw in Punjab was totally we also feel that the state has abdicated its responsibility of maintaining Law and Order in this state totally and the state police has become a laughing stock as far as today's actions are concerned for this I blame the police Administration and the chief minister who may have issued certain instructions to the police as to how soft they have to go on this fellow now there is a background it is being it was alleged during the during the elections that the ahmadmi party is getting full support not only getting support of the kalistani but also funds extra it is alleged two day to to an extent it is being proved right now the question is is it the it is the responsibility of the state to maintain order if the state is unable to then the state is going to make friends what you're saying Mr Kaka request to the what you're saying additional forces it's an important Point viewers can I please have those representing the ahmadmi party on the screen their names are yes thank you and I would like Advocate Aman Singh khara also on the screen please thank you and and the issue here is that you see if the ahmadni party has some kind of a financial arrangement I don't know allegedly is being said out here or or political help from the kalistanis before the election and that's why you need to sort of be very soft on the kalistan camp you can't take them on otherwise they will expose you then you need to tell us about it you see because this is unusual I can't believe that arvind kejri was just allowing this to happen what has happened maybe there is you're saying that there is arvind kejriwal is beholden to the kalistanis is managed all both the things I mean very well in a reactive phase as well as proactive phase no uh you look at the scenario that suddenly not a single innocent person was killed or shot Okay one minute one minute you cannot see the Gujarat is happening it's not one minute one minute situation is very interesting viewers the situation right now is that uh the ahmadmi party government is saying listen I think we did very well go to hell it doesn't matter to us what you think about it we think we did very well amritpal will not be arrested in fact what has happened today is interesting amritpal amritpal today sadar RP Singh said I am giving you a 24 hour deadline to take back the Empire on my man 24 hours within one hour they said sorry sorry amritpal will close the case I mean shame on the shame on this bhagwatman government it's just ridiculous and we are watching this and RP I'm sorry but you are watching it because because the center must be very happy that Punjab is burning so when Punjab Burns BJP will then come in and say look we told you so we warned you about the app government but I am you know you're making a mistake RP in the process of letting the ahmadmi party make mistakes you are allowing a very critical state to burn very critical state to burn for your own whatever political advantage no political Advantage at all but let me let me pinpoint certain questions what happened today can a fire be crashed under duress this happened today six policemen were injured there was Ruckus In the complete area not a single case I'm not talking about the earlier case not a single case being launched for the records which are created today not the point not a single case on the sex policemen injured okay actually I don't know this is a this is happening because there's a payback time happening from the Ahmadi party to radicals to extremists to kurdistanis or whoever you decide on but they are paying them back what is stopping you sing one minute no no no no no no you're repeating yourself you're saying that it's payback time I understand what you're saying I am understanding what you're saying but then one minute but one minute right now I I I'm just see listen RP you have to let me speak and viewers I I'm going to open up lines if required on this one but I'll tell you one thing this is completely ridiculous the center is saying that it's payback time and arvind kejriwal is being nice to the kalistanis because he owes them something it's almost as if I am expected to believe that the central government does not exist and I want location on one side location Iman Singh Kara on the other where is where is the central government this is an attack on the country's sovereignty this is an attack on the country's sovereignty and the central government has gone missing this man is saying that I am going to create a separate separate independent country and he is also saying that I am the state he says all states have armies with weapons he says that is why I have an army with a weapon he's cocking the snook at you and everybody across the country is today waking up to the reality and danger of this man amritpal RP don't give excuses if you don't want to act then say I will not act say I will let Punjab burn and make the same mistakes that Indira Gandhi did when these protesters came and they raised the flag on the Red Fort what was the central government doing then and secondly right what were you doing you were supporting them then allocation don't be a hypocrite you are supporting them you were standing with them then because it was convenient government being dismissed why is it the Army being mobilized why isn't the center acting is it some form of a conspiracy between BJP it was extremely more supportive political problems then your that time your State president or is on the court saying that we are supporting such elements we are sending such elements together what you did what you did right now why didn't you mobilize the crpf why didn't you mobilize the Army which is hardly some distance away no can we okay what happened today had come out in the Parliament and had gone what is happening in punjabari openly stated that killings are happening at the broad daylight Muse if you're watching this now one minute I need to I need to give you a reference point now viewers if you're watching this program now and you're not not completely uh in tune with the facts I want to give you a 30 second summary sushil I see your hand go up I'm I'm I'm I'm coming to you in just a minute this is a I just want to bring our viewers up to date viewers the ahmadmi party government was uh sworn in in Punjab what six months back or something something like that at that point of time almost a year now at that time there were allegations that ahmadmi party is sort of beholden to beholden to kalistani forces that there are people in Canada kalistanis and Canada who are supporting the app they are helping them retain these bases uh at that point of time op said it is completely ridiculous then there was a kalistani angle where the app and the kalistani elements worked sort of together during this so-called Farmer's protests where they try to desecrate the tri-color at the Red Fort with it beat up policemen this is straight from the kalistani Playbook but what is happening now is industrial State Industrial Level separatism I call this now Industrial Level separatism ramnik sushil this is the gravest threat in Kashmir the difference is the the terrorists they come out they throw a grenade then they run away like cowards which they are then they get killed by Security Forces the what is happening in Punjab sushil is that the terrorists the separatists are out in the open they are openly at Flowing missiles at Police Headquarters surrounding a police station today a police station was surrounded and when after being surrounded the policemen were beaten up there was a warlike formation created of hundreds of kalistanis around a police station and and they were carrying swords they attacked the policemen with swords and unlike in Kashmir where they run away they are coming out and saying listen listen bhagavad-ban I am giving one hour 24 hours to your police to take back the case and bhagwan man government comes down on all fours and says I am so sorry I will take back the case please don't fight with us it's ridiculous and the center and they're releasing this man tomorrow on whoever they had this Fir and and the center is just standing and doing nothing absolutely doing nothing our blood boils day before yesterday this man amritpal put out a threat on home minister amitsha's life he's just walking around the single case against and we are told okay you know this is okay it will sort out later when is later when is later ramnik was there a later in the case of bindran Wale did Indira Gandhi not create bindran Wale and then fail to tackle him who is creating this man if it is the Punjab government then suck the Punjab government for once I agree with Mr Jindal sack the Punjab government have the courage shut the Punjab government unless this man and put things under control for God's sake before it goes out of hand yes please yeah you you when you asked when would it be too late it's going to be a little too late actually when they act later I will I will explain it to you you're saying it's too late to act it's already too late to act actually arnab if you remember I had given out a warning on the 11th of March last year 2022. that's that was a clear warning you can go back and refer to the video whenever you want to now it appears to be a lot of pre-planning going into this gone behind this uh when I'll tell you how when I explain the entire motive behind is to bring down the morale of the Punjab police which is a very potent Force which has brought the terrorism terrorists down to its knees and to you know normalize this uh Terror situation this horrific horrific situation which has been created or played out in Punjab and I would also explain I don't know who's representing amritpal here he's a cow Ard this man is a coward don't try to present him like a brave man he was hiding behind the palki sub of Guru Gran Saab with the the vehicle in Golden color that you see arnab is the sub in which if the police had thrown one stone one Lottie one stick one bullet at this uh palki Sab that you see it would have turned out into a blasphemy it would have turned out into Bay the bee so he was actually pushing this vehicle from behind and that is when the police I I you know I have spoken with a journalist who had spoken with the SP they were they were clueless and they were like yes he was pushing the vehicle from behind Okay this coward let's have this is this is how no no who is the home minister of Punjab it's bhagwantman who knows the situation today is the bureaucracy the people of Punjab the quality of Punjab they don't know and they're talking about their MLA got arrested on corruption and I agree with you for once and uh that the center will have to the center has to intervene you as I I call upon absolutely I I I I call upon the center to act a people of this country call upon the center to act home minister Amit Shah should act the Prime Minister should act and I don't know I don't know why danda spokesperson [Music] there was this gentleman who was asking why the Army is not being called in why the crpf has not been done what is to happen no please please have Mr can I please have you want Punjab to burn volume up no I I'll tell you to come and kill punjabis okay so who will protect who will protect if the state Administration fails to act who will protect this statement if there is as of now the ahmadmi party and the BJP are fighting and you know viewers I just want to show you two sets of pictures right now on the one side I will show you the pictures so we understand what is going on and pictures don't lie viewers on one side we will show the pictures of the way in which policemen were being beaten up by swords and latis by the kalistaris and on the other side viewers I will show you the pictures of the drama going on in the Delhi Municipal Council where they were physical at fights between the ahmadmi party and the BJP I have done this through my journalistic career because sometimes Mr kakkar when when my words don't convey it well enough the pictures will make the viewers of this country think wake up viewers you are seeing this tamasha gone in Delhi and yesterday you know you know Mr kakar I finished my show and as I was coming out I went to The Newsroom and I saw live pictures coming in from the Delhi municipality and I told my Newsroom we must go live on those pictures and these were the pictures in fact these are the better pictures after some time they start fighting can we run those pictures look at this this is the fight that is going on BJP and up are about to kill themselves in the municipal Council and on the left-hand side left hand side people who say we will destroy at this country open kalistanis have taken over Punjab and I am telling the BJP and the Ahmadi party for God's sake sort it out I don't pay taxes for this to see these two sets of pictures while my while my country's sovereignty is being questioned by some person called amritpalu suddenly emerged and has put the state to answer Mr kejriwal Mr kejriwal end your silence or say I cannot rule Punjab the situation very serious ladies and gentlemen and I want to ask as I bring in Harish Rai dhanda and Advocate Iman Singh Kara dhanda is spokesperson of the shiromania kalidal Mr danda I have heard are you there I can't see him on it can't see my name is I have heard I've heard I don't know that a lot of kalistanis from Canada Canada are uh are the supporting amritpal there are a lot of Canadians who have come to support amritpal and a lot of money is coming from Canada and UK and you know to to fund amritpal is this true is this true that a lot of foreign money is being sent in to fund amritpal Arnold this is quite clear in last elections kejriwal had breakfast and dinners at the houses of the terrorists he stared overnight that we have brought this government why didn't he deny he should have denied I am witnessing what we had witnessed 40 years back the only similarity is at that time Mr Dole was in raw and now he is National Security advisor where where are these intelligence input of the center both and where are they how they built [Music] all ganged together against the kalis and what's today happening you are reaping what you have sown I want to know verse spokesperson speak I request RP let him speak and then you can respond let him speak sir the situation is very serious let him speak person is a totally weak person Lord what happened in patiala why SSB was transferred why did did was transferred when it similar thing happened in patiala while government has kneeled down sir foreign [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] your BJP is equally responsible and I think there's a picture please please look at us we pay the price [Applause] scot-free accusations [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] I would like to intervene and I would like to intervene sir I feel really sad today for a simple reason that I cannot even tell my viewers who have been following me for the last 15 to 20 years that I have even sight of a solution sushil I feel really sad on moments like this we talk about the nation we say Nation first we say we are sworn by nationalism but I tell you sushil I feel hemmed in I feel hemmed in in my studio unable to do anything because the law seems to mean nothing anymore and I just want to I think sometimes sushil somebody watching my program an honest salary middle class law-abiding citizen he would look at this and say what he would say what and and you know what he would say I'll tell you one thing sushil when I was in school when I was in school when I was in class four five class three four five you know we should open a magazine we had enough sense to read ramnik we are from the same you read you know Punjab burning we we saw the pictures and and I Remember by the time I went to college you know we used to go to Punjab and say so much has changed 20 years have passed the khalistanis are back and and people like amritpal I want to just ask him his lawyer is here today he's a lawyer secretary legal Affairs Waris Punjabi Iman Singh khara Iman Singh khara you ask those Canadians who are circling amritpal ask them would they get away with this in Canada would you be allowed to do this in Canada would you be allowed to invoke emergency in Canada attack a police station in Canada did you remember what happened when there was a trucker strike in Canada you remember in fact five days back Canada's public inquiry commission ruled that the Canadian government had all the right to invoke emergency over the truckers protest hundreds of people were arrested in Canada do you think amritpal sushil would have been would he have been a free man in Canada in doing this would he be able to tell the any state government in Canada I am giving you Chubbies Ghanta follow me or I will burn the country would he be allowed to say that and the kneel down before him first of all it is already too late see first of all let me speak please okay speech see first of all answer my question no first of all or second of all tonight would he be allowed to do this in Canada just answer that question in my opinion what all has happened at the ajnala police station Canada for it would you be allowed to attack hundreds of policemen in Canada inside violence in Canada yes governments are trying to be allowed to do this the depression of a sick Community has been falsely implicated in a frivolous case misinformation is being disseminated here see a person this information my foot let me tell you misinformation and disinformation my foot let me tell you one minute one minute this information this is the one minute one minute one minute excuse me Mr Advocate and a red Mi phone excuse me Mr Advocate TR kakar is here one minute TR kakkar has 40 years of experience in Law and Order and security so you answer the question I'm going to ask him Mr kakkar today a police station was surrounded wall-like formations were created by people who are fully armed then there was Stone pelting and after that there was a physical attack on policemen I am asking one question is I'm sure Center has given intelligence reports to the to to the Punjab government Punjab police and they knew that something like this may happen the state government should have adequately prepared itself so that these people do not March into I will call it March into a police station and come back victoriously this is not allowed but they're not if you don't if you don't have forces ask the center maybe the government does not work this is I will say this is all milliped but then if it is if it is then the center has to step in either you remove either you can immediately sack yes the Punjab government I am sure Center must be Center must be assessing the situation and if need be they will intervene definitely they have the Nia they have other agencies something can be done but then then they stay they must have they must have full support of the state government which which may be lacking today yes sushil or not this is gradual escalation which has led to this scenario will you please ask your panelists who was in the state government or the center government when a memorial and a museum who was in the center and the state government when a mafia dawned in up got a political sanctuary in a jail in Punjab who was in the center and the state went location the motors of kisans were funded openly and allocation please do not base on punjab's fire we have lost the Prime Minister we have lost we have we have martyred our leaders created those monsters died by those monsters no lessons from that there is a reason for you will only learning those monsters you know the funny thing is the sad thing actually not the funny thing is you know you know you know you know you're watching this you're watching this the only problem is as you debate look how uh the lawyer for amritpal starts laughing and smiling he's enjoying it foreign but you should have something called morality and ethics and let me ask you a specific question the seventh schedule obligation to maintain Law and Order via police force is the state of Punjab the police are provided arms for that purpose amritpal is saying I will carry arms and I will run an army so he's saying that he is the state are you understanding this legally ramnik he has declared let us tell you two things briefly he amritval has spat on the face of kejriwal and bhagwan and they have lived it you know end of the story not the number two Iman Singh khara has got no Iman is this amritpal is a coward he's a he's a he's a he's a thorough coward that's what I'll say I will take it from you but now that also goes to prove very active why is it your Governor active in Punjab no no one sec I [Music] this is what the best way I can sum it up and I can explain your characters I want to ask you a question quickly why you are disattracting the debate by abusing amritpal why not what are they doing talk about the responsibility of the government yes well ladies and gentlemen I I say that I say that uh arvind kejriwal tell bhagwan that if you can't handle it just quit and I tell the center once again stop watching what's happening you're letting it simmer it's not simmering either fire is spreading and viewers on the other side I have a I have a few straight answers to the to the bunch of in uh intellectual cretins who did not like my analysis of them or my description of them as the Soros media well they are the Soros media and if you just wait to hear on the other side I'll describe in detail why I called you intellectual cretins not just sellouts also intellectual credits but also on the other side tonight he's an attention seeker and and Pawan Kera managed to get a lot of attention after he abused the Prime Minister prime minister's father and then was arrested for a brief while and then got bail on the other side tonight the story of Pawan Kera ladies and gentlemen in a few minutes I'm back