Diving into the 2024 Razr foldables | Engadget Podcast

Intro [Music] Bo [Music] [Music] Bo [Music] [Music] w [Music] [Music] what's up everybody welcome back to another live broadcast of the engaged podcast I'm senior editor dender hardwar this morning I'm joined by Deputy editor Sheran low hey Shin hello good morning and uh podcast producer Ben Elman hey Ben hello hello good morning everybody we've got some gadgets to talk about um a whole bunch of news Julian assange's free that just kind of came out of out of nowhere how's everybody doing this morning I see people in the chat I saw Dro 9 UM was here early saying the green bubble nightmare is over Apple messages now supports RCS how do you have you seen the RCs stuff yet charlin because some of the beta is no I you'd have to be on the iOS 18 beta and texting other people with it I assume you I mean are you on the beta you could text me well no on Android um yeah we're making plans to do exactly it's like more green bubble people right you I have devices if we need to do something I also have green bubble devices um you going to text yourself it's more I need to set up the number there um I see not only Deo n Jonathan Anderson's there Dean San Juanita Valdez uh and Simon B was talking about feeling nostalgic for flip phones then you miss a snake game dude the amount of hours I spent on the snake game I mean I I can imagine the amount of hours you'd spend on the Snake Game char hey you can relive that now with the Razer right you can flip it so that's the appeal there's like some basic games on a Razer phone but uh we'll get into that I'm sure lots of nostalgia yeah do you want to shout out to Dale North who I reached out to he's a game composer he used to be a games journalist actually at a gam speed and he went all in on making game music I've always loved his work and we asked him like could he do a theme song for us and he made us a whole bunch of music so it's cool yeah and I use it a lot we use it a lot so that's all the lowii lowii hip-hop beats you're you're hearing yeah uh like if you have ever played wizard of Legend which I was actually playing a lot when I had just started working on the inad podcast I was like Wow Wow like everything is coming together everything's coming together I mean I I basically just reached out to a lot of people that I know and he's so he's a sweet guy because he just he gave us the stuff for free we were G to pay him too pay your people in general um yeah the music's great I love listening to it every time it does have a sedating Vibe but also like a chill Vibe because things are crazy I don't know I don't want to hear crazy intro podcast music pixel event in August we will talk about that we will talk about all that stuff Goldfinger silverfinger says free Palestine yes yes absolutely hello everybody else joining us I know people are coming in all right so yeah we're in talk about the new Motorola razors which charin has some thoughts on we have some hands-ons from uh some from Sam Rutherford they look really 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I'm sure we will Jonathan Anderson how dare you go dip for your meeting you can leave us on put an earbud in and just have us in while you're talking with your real life colleagues you got Focus folks okay my audio is looking good here you go yeah everybody mute their devices oh yeah my many many devices God okay let's go in three two one what's up internet and welcome back to the engagement podcast I'm senior editor dender Hardware I'm Deputy editor sherlin low this week we'll be chatting about Moto's new razors there's new razor and razor plus and uh yeah they're foldables once again they look pretty cool um kind of keeping very pretty affordable prices for foldables too so we'll be talking about that we'll talk about uh Julian Assange being set free from prison a couple Supreme Court rulings and um oh man we're just gonna really look forward to events happening or at least one big event happening in August which thank you Google we all want to do that we all want to be traveling for work in August thank you so much as always folks if you're enjoying the show please be sure to subscribe to us on iTunes or your podcaster of choice leave us a review on iTunes drop us an email at podcast engadget.com Shin I know you were very excited you seem so excited about the new Motorola Razer and Razer plus I'm you know they look really nice I like the prices uh what is it 700 for the Razer uh 1,000 for the Razer Plus These are nice looking foldables what's up this year I mean very excited is a very strong way to put how I feel about these things I I think um are we no longer excited about foldables is it just like always been I I think I was more excited for and here's where you could use the right word and there's also a story behind this Motorola did like a whole ass launch event in Brooklyn for the motor rer 2024 lineup this was um yeah this was earlier this week the news was announced Tuesday they also had there a little event on little was more than little event on Tuesday and a featuring one Paris Hilton who big fan of the pink Razor from way back when right like she was the whole like that's hot and then like flip the pink phone thing anyway uh this event also featured a magician so I was like all right look I guess I'll go and then I went andh because you heard there was going to be magician the main reason so I was already out for different meeting earlier that day so I was like all right I'll just go to the office chill and then go to this event and see like get some like of my own hands on time with the phones cuz Sam took the Hands-On demo for us I was like all right I'll go take a look at the phone but also yes okay I was like I'll try to get a selfie with Paris Hilton why not um and it turns out I left the event before Paris Hilton even like started to do her DJ set because I was just so impatient I was just like oh wait she's doing a DJ set too so she djed at the at the launch event but there was DJ Paris hilon I mean please Lindsay Lohan can DJ in mikos uh Paris Hilton can for sure well you know um are we gonna have a fight here Shin because uh listen if we're going to talk about somebody with I don't know Talent of any kind the ability to Talent is a strong word Lindsay Lohan's a good actor I like her until like her inevitable downfall yeah Paris Hilton not so much come on okay so what was what did you see at this event did you see the magician I will say the reason keep bringing up the magician is because they they used the magician to kind of highlight a few of these features that are debuting on the new Motorola Razer and razor plus uh and you pointed out uh rightly that the pricing is one of the outstanding things like Sam has it in his um Hands-On headline that they might be the most stylish and affordable foldables of the year the standard Raz are starting at $700 I think the pricing is a little bit confusing because last year with the 2023 lineup the Razer 40 as it was known I think in the UK versus is a razor in the US it was like it cost about 800 pound and that was quite a lot of money that's close to a th000 in the US and I don't know that it ever came to the US and so it's unclear that but last year's razor was also $700 so I mean I I don't know like I'm looking at our review of the razor 2023 and the Hands-On and it's like they Matt's review because Matt Smith who reviewed it for us is based in the UK says it was 800 PB so that's like more yeah I'm just so before let me just uh fill you all in here as we were doing the planning for this because I was just like looking like how do these compared to last year it does seem like the pricing last year did launch at 71,000 but what weird weirdly happened and I'm sure the UK folks are annoyed about this apparently the Bas razor was on sale like quote unquote on sale for 80% of last year for $500 which is a crazy price whatever it is let's put it this way Motorola's pricing strategy is strange AF but this year it seems like the the base on at $700 and then the higher and the razor plus is ,000 to begin with and for that money you're getting like a larger external display than ever you've got more app support on the external screen got some like colors like hot pink which is like that original razor flip phone um and then this like leather sort of finish on the back uh s pictures look great the ones I saw at the event also looked really nice um and you have some AI features now look I I don't know how you all feel about magicians and magic tricks but they've all been ruined for me because I've read or watched too many like reveal the trick sort of shows you did it yourself okay yeah right and then like the the magician was like oh um Everybody hold up your phone and like Google this or calculator that and everything I was like all right fine and um but for example the motor Razer plus 2024 and the Razer um all have new AI based features for you can take a photo of by the way Listen to listen to this you can take a photo of your outfit and the quote AI end quote will um generate color themes and wallpapers for you I was like elcat tell did this Circa 2018 like stop it this is not a new feature stop calling things new um but there is another thing called Magic canvas on Motorola um Motorola's AI Suite that will let you type in a prompt and then it will create sort of a wallpaper for your phone so if you're like dancing puppies with balloons in the background you can use that as your wallpaper for example um and then there's a feature that's coming called catch me up it will summarize all your notifications so you don't have to like go through all of them individually and then Sam is excited about something called remember this which sounds a little bit like Microsoft's recall you can ask or you can first prompt Modo to be like remembering things for you and then ask it to record a photo screenshot or some audio and then it will repeat the important details back to you when you ask for those important details later on like oh uh what was in that photo or like what date did I leave in that screenshot something like that so um you have to actively tell it to remember things exactly you have to first be exactly so it's not like in the background constantly screenshotting and tracking your activity I just feel like people differentiation yeah because like you could just always just take a photo of something and be like yeah yeah Wonder be a ram hog too yeah who knows who knows um I do have to say these things look really nice Shan they as far as look very cool yeah they look cool I don't see a huge crease on these and the external displays especially on the plus looks hot yeah oh yeah the I mean to quote Paras the other thing that Sam did point out is that the crease there is still there but that um it's very faint and he he quot he describes it as a shallow Ripple that you only see at acute angles which is wow like I mean we're getting somewhere with these things right it feels like from the 2023 lineup of the razors to the 2024 what we're getting is more refining I mean yes a larger display but I think the hardware feels like it's quite like ready for for to like settle you know in in the like candy bar format that iPhones have been in for a while I think many photoes like that are more or less mature in terms of Hardware now it's all about the software and apparently AI is the way I have thoughts on one thing Foldable Androids that I've been thinking about like we still don't have a foldable iPhone I feel like everyone's waiting for Apple to do something around that the rumor was the iPad Mini being some sort of like foldable tablet type of thing but we've got several foldable Androids now shin and they seem pretty good the prices are getting down there at least like most of them are under the price of an iPhone Pro Max even um if you're considering Android phone why don't you just get a foldable unless you want something under $500 I yeah I think the main concern has always been like durability and battery life on these things and like the by the way the light risers get like a slightly higher um IP rating than before um and again with the crease not looking as bad and then there's a new hinge on these new razors too there's a lot of good things I don't know that we'll ever see a footable iPhone I think we see a footable iPad Mini first but you know or something yeah you're right that they are cheaper now right at $1,000 for the higher end ones for the flips anyway not the bigger folds um these are pretty feasible as your daily drivers you're okay with your phone lasting only a day not two how much do the Galaxy flip Now isn't that like 800 about $9.99 as well like it starts at about the same price um and it does have that like nicer cover display I want to see Samsung do more with the flip I and speaking of we'll learn more come July we'll get to that in a bit we'll learn more from Samsung I mean we're also still waiting for like Google is not doing like a top down fold the the pixel one the pixel fold opens up so yeah I could see them doing something it Software Updates just seems like I the the main appeal of Android is like you can get a really killer phone for $500 or less L but if you're willing to bump up a little more it does seem like if you're going to spend 700 or $1,000 on a phone get a flippy I guess yeah you might well something that the hardware is intriguing um I do want to point out has Sam in the chat says that the issue the issue with Moto has always been their horrible software update record which very good point and again Sam does point out that excuse me Motorola says that the razors will receive three major Android OS upgrades in four years of software support uh that's a jump from last year but it's still short of the seven years you're getting from Samsung and Google's more recent devices so like good for bumping the number of years of support up Moto but you're still so far behind the competi that's just not great yeah I Magicians feel like the thing when you mentioned magician Trin all all I think about I don't take magicians seriously I'm not super excited by them but I think about Joe Bluth in Arrested Development and I can imagine if if they had gotten aret to come here and just do his Joe blue thing while sort of being sarcastic about Samsung features that would have been funny that would have been I was looking around the event first of all they were like okay so the event started at 600 and was going to end at like 10: I bounced before 8 by the way because like yeah that's why I was able to go it was like after work that's why I was like all right is not really a work thing you're really pushing it like you want people to hang out with you after dinner show up at eight at six that there was no food until after like 7:45 never mind I showed up really for the food but anyway and then and then Paris hon was slated to show up at like 8 or something but I think she started after come in fashionably late come on I heard from Friends afterward yeah but anyway at 6 and then the um wait why was I starting oh I was looking around I got in at like 610 or something and people it was already like the seating area in front of the magician performance area was already full and I like I was like all right these are the plants right like these are the pl have you people never seen the magician before okay I I don't know I don't think it's I I I I I swear to God I think they were all plants like I okay there's a lot of audience participation that all requires I think if you know magic tricks you'll know that there's a lot of like planted actors anyway that makes sense actually yeah yeah yeah anyway I was looking around and I was like yeah I noticed that there's a suspicious amount of people already there but B I was like Wow does Motorola have a lot of money still like what is going on they've you know got Paris Hilton they got magician a magician not even like a name magician I I got to say I think they have a name and I just can't remember which sucks um you know but there you go um so I don't know Motorola must be doing something right or Lenovo is financing it like crazy I I mean Paris Hilton is not a big pull Paris Hilton the last we saw with her was doing like an ad deal with Twitter right like exclusive content I me the last I heard of her is on her reality TV series where she being a mom but even beyond that but like d tier Samsung Unpacked celebrity at this point um the Elon Musk will point to will like hey you're not mad at me yet would you like to do something with Twitter um yeah I don't know okay well the phones look nice uh the event seems uh they should get David Blaine like when they finally get the uh when they get rid of the bezel how do you make the bezel disappear magic trick God that would be hilarious no cringe cringe so much cringe anything else on the motor risers uh no I will say that it's they're kicking off photable season and we're going to hear more about that just a little in just a little bit photable fall as it were oh God photable fall we are summer just started oh my God okay so Samsung is doing something in July we thought we were kind of a chill for the summer at least for July and August but no never so what are we what's going on there Samsung officially announced that the second unpack of the year of every year is happening this year on July 10th wonderful round of Applause July 10th is a lot earlier than we're used to right these second unpacks used to be you know taking place either during epha which would be in September or like end or mid August and it's just gone earlier and earlier now it's in the middle of July great hey you know who else announced their like important dates for July Amazon's Prime day is going to be July 16th and 17th so if you understand the consumer Tech media business you'll know that that's really a lot of work for a lot of people uh so I don't appreciate the timing here but Samsung anyway officially announced July 10th and it's holding its event in Paris of all places now earlier this year when it hit it had the s24 unpacked uh Samsung did that in San Jose which Silicon Valley everybody was like oh yeah it's linked to Ai and you know that's why they chose Silicon Valley for that launch event so if you think about Paris other than Paris Hilton Paris and France um are you thinking bed bug uh controversy from last year oh god oh anyway I won't be going thank good I'm just not uh thanks for talking about bed bugs because now we'll have nightmares um but I think considering that this time of year Samsung's always launching affordables and wearables watches make sense for the fashion sort of setting and then like if they want to clip a bit more stylish and also yes we are expecting to see the Galaxy ring that they teed up in January I mean there's a lot to expect from Samsung and like I said it's gonna be foldable fall I guess uh Ben our producers pointing out that the Olympics are also in Paris but is it in July I think it is in July I'm not entirely sure what time of year we've had we've had several stories about the olymp Late July to early August Late July to early August Late July okay so they're trying to get out of there maybe before the Olympics really get riding some of the fitness hype maybe like especi there's a watch probably that with the watch and the Galaxy rings so a lot of potential tie in things now we already Olympics rings multicolored Samsung Galaxy rings with the the Olympics colors can you imagine if they make that oh they're GNA do it anyway you heard it here first Ben and dender both predicted it on the Eng podcast Samsung's gonna use the Galaxy Ring the Olympics some kind of Olympics tie in the official olypic wearable that nobody will ever buy but yes oh my God will it get them all to not sleep in the same rooms anyway what um head on over to ang.com we already have like a what to expect out of Samsung sort of preview article uh are we excited about the ring yet like we we Aura Ring talked about it I talk about my ambivalence around ring Gadgets in general how are you feeling now Sherin I'm with you like I don't wear that aura ring anymore um I just will have someone else who more happy to wear rings I guess to to review it like I really liked what the aura ring did in terms of the insights for sleep because it's something I was happy to wear to sleep even though I kind of still didn't like it was like all right it's better than a watch but um it it also actually gave very good and different information the aura sort of system um about my sleep than I was used to so that was nice to see but otherwise no I wash my hands too many times a day for a ring to be really a feasible I mean you could you wash your hands with the ring can't you I I can but I don't like to I don't like to have moisture retained around the I will still take it off anyway it's mainly cooking it's the time where you want to be like I don't want to get sauce and oil and whatever else on these things so I'm very finicky about my like yeah just my I feel you and I feel like the only thing that I felt that was good for sleep tracking back in the day we Sleep Tracking will often bring this up but rip Jawbone rip the Jawbone UP a device that was too beautiful to to survive in this world and also too bug ridden so yeah also r the um Amazon had this sleep tracking Halo rise gosh that thing was great I miss it um but you miss Amazon staring at you and judging you look someone in our chat earlier today when we were talking about that AI feature where you take a photo of your outfit to generate wallpapers thing uh someone in our chat mentioned didn't Amazon have a camera that you would take outfit take photos of your outfit I was like yeah I loved it I will I I will say that the person in the chat who said that like uh who mentioned that feature was like is wasn't it creepy when people realize they were undressing in front of an Amazon camera I was like I did not I was not undressing in front of the camera to start I would dress up somewhere else and then go in front of the camera thing that sounds like a really easy to use device I don't okay I mean I still have it at home I it doesn't work anymore like the Halo rid I have like a little my own personal graveyard of Amazon devices that you I loved watching me they just threw money at so many things the fir phone all these dumb devices oh my God ah I can't wait to see what Pano pan does with Amazon Hardware but we are dig ressing just so slightly uh back to the Samsung unpacked event like I think in addition to the to the Galaxy Ring we're expecting also like uh just making an educated guess here probably GNA see the new Galaxy Z fold as Z flip Galaxy watch um I think they had a watch Pro in the past too and then we still haven't seen new buds right so like there's a lot have we seen a new tablet in a while I don't know I don't know I mean so that's a lot that's a lot of things to kind of expect Samsung to unveil uh I will also say that in that announcement about uh unpacked Samsung also mentions the words Galaxy AI is here wonderful excellent I are they going to show Bixby just evolving evolving into true AI Bixby what Bixby is just running ey sort of uh in that's part of their event uh oh boy okay well we'll see do you do you think it is wise I could see August August being a good time to like get away from the iPhone hype like have some time to yourself that's what Google's doing um but July nobody's thinking about updating devices everyone's waiting to see like what the things are especially should I get an iPhone or iPad so July to announce I would not be surprised now that you and Ben brought it up that like it is absolutely Olympics timing like they're timing it for try to get ahead of the Olympics so that they can make their Olympics announcement something like that would not be surprised if that is like a part of the reason so there you go there you Google go well I mean let's talk about the Google thing because we're talking about like upcoming events and Google's announcing um basically August 13th right is going to be the next Google the made by Google event where we're expecting new pixels and stuff do we feel differently about this because this is like this is just going to be their their their major device launch it's not going to be tied to any events otherwise Google sorry I got distracted by our chat there was something I needed to handle there can you say that again what do what do we expect for the Google the made by Google August 13th okay gotcha excuse me uh yeah thanks a lot so Google announced the made by Google event is happening on August 13th and and like you said it's a bit of time for itself and I I want to go on a rant after this about all of this not a rant like a little sideways talk um Google traditionally in its like second half of the Year event its Hardware launch brings us new pixel phones um probably new pixel watch maybe new pixel butts similar slate of devices I would say as Samsung um except for because Google doesn't usually have like a January event to launch its actual Flagship devices it will have both like a standard phone and maybe a photable as well where we might we're probably due to see like a new pixel fold it's been two years right for the pixel fold two or one everything Blends into one to me but yeah it could be it could be like two years by now um but we really like that thing right like we really liked it when it came out it was very it's one year it's one year it just feels like yeah yeah it feels like too um so there the pixel 4 2 we're expecting to see and then the pixel n series of phones and then whatever the pixel watch pixel watch 3 I believe is um also on the agenda hopefully probably and then finally maybe some other devices after all of that internal reorganization under Rick ostero happened earlier this year that the Verge reported on um maybe we'll see some other Hardware from like the nest side of things um it's a lot of speculation on my end but uh that's an educated guess right based on historical evidence based on what's out there and other stuff that I know oh Trin knows things okay well so July event that will be all planning for I will be gone sorry guys um also August so it's like it's like there's no break no break during the summer and then like once this Google thing is done we're all like just thinking about iPhone and thinking about like what's going to happen with apple and the whole fall and everything no rest No Rest for us I guess um what are you are you looking to doing like are you looking to covering things um or focusing on any kinds of other stories in July and August in now that we have have a little time to bre I would love to take a break but in July I'm traveling um right after Prime day and uh the the uh I don't know I don't think I'll be able to escape any of the coverage and Google by the way is hosting this event in Mountain View and as much as I would like not to travel I do you know want to say hi to some of the Google people I know that work there get some FaceTime with some Executives because that's always good for kind of like making sure and Gadget gets like good information and do some reporting from the scene so you got to report yeah might go yeah exactly um so that's uh I I mean it's possible I don't know but you haven't finalized our plans yet is the reason I'm not being like kg I just we don't have anything for him to say um but I did RSVP I mean I'm always like I will always say yes but I may or may not show up that's oh boy okay well okay so that's some new motor razors which look pretty cool check out our Hands-On coverage and we're I guess soon gonna be prepping for the Samsung Galaxy and after that coming prepping for the Google pixel event in August boy hey uh Kevin says in our chat asked what about Fitbit and I would like to point out that pixel watch 3 is probably like you can consider it almost a Fitbit device you know Google owns Fitbit and also Fitbit did uh launched the ace LTE wearable for kids last month so you know Fitbit is still doing his own thing I don't know if they're going to do anything new for this made by Google event though and I mean they just say yeah they had a big turnaround too of employees and things too like what is Fitbit Fitbit even anymore man I remember when we were excited about wearables I remember when that stuff was cool and everybody was trying different ideas and Fitbit uh was not owned by Google and was a lot more Nimble you know um yeah yeah okay uh we'll be looking forward to all this stuff and check out our coverage on the Samsung check out our coverage on the Motorola razors want to do some Q&A now yeah let's there's quite a few because I'm sure I see people talking yeah yeah uh sorry I got distracted because someone was making personal attacks in the chat and I just needed to like just mute them very quick and that's good remind everyone to um and no it was not something any of y'all said okay uh Dro 9 says they're getting the bigger watch in the 9xl that's the pixel I'm assuming uh wow that's a lot of confidence Dro 9 you let me know why uh why you're so confident already what do you know uh Dean uh there just some conversation around what did that person say and Dean was like I was worried Shin was an England soccer fan and didn't like being discounted from because y'all were having conversation about the Euros England and euros and all of that stuff um England what tied with whoever it was they played on last week around juneth that's as far as I know on the Euro Cup like okay cool um Jonathan Anderson said I think AI fatigue early while we were talking about you know the possibility of Razor AI or something said AI fatigue is a real thing in my opinion uh you don't need to tell us that go pre choir D name Charlie has a speculation August 13 is international lefties day wonder why they picked that day H maybe the watch is supposed to be worn on your right hand instead gosh R name charliie says is any ring worth getting at all you would like to minimize from the watch Ultra I mean the AA is one of the best out there they're not going to do with the watch Ultra do so if you want to minimize that get a noral Apple watch you chose the big ass Apple watch sorry the aura is also like a big old ring it is a big ring it is bigger because there's a lot of Technology they have to squeeze in there yeah yeah you have to squeeze a lot of stuff in there and it is bigger and thicker than the average like men's wedding ring which tends to be like the bigger thicker ring that most people wear and the wedding ring is already a little uncom like I it's uncomfortable weird things happen when you wear Rings like I was once at a restaurant and like a glass hit my hand in such a way in the ring it just shattered just like erupted in glass over I'm like that's that's not great maybe we shouldn't be wearing more things there was that time that Jimmy Fallon fell down and almost skinned his finger with his wedding ring oh man I did not see that oh yeah yeah it it was like right around the transition from late night to or or yeah late night to The Tonight Show and uh you know that was when he was playing guitar a lot more often and he couldn't then oh man Kevin says uh in the chat mentioned that they have tickets to the net ball with their daughter in Paris taking the train from London to Paris very nice stay free of bed bugs good luck uh but also wanted to point out that Kevin says mentioned that the whoop is a good sleep tracker now the whoop band whoop has been around for a very long time whoop band is what my gym is using for like they're like trying it very hard to sell whoop to all of us to like use them in class cuz then really called whoop it's w o p they've been around for a while they did coaching um for a bit this was they they were big during the Heyday of like fitness trackers quite are cool this is cool yeah yeah um they're like similar to The Polar heart rate trackers but I think the loop ones are a bit smaller um as well I don't I still don't want to wear it because you know chess worn things I don't know if like the whoop is only chess worn but like the chess worn version is what we see at RG most I'm seeing like a cloth thing that is on your wrist which actually looks kind of yeah I think it's a module you could put on anything um thiss Co but the other thing I want to say is um I mean I I haven't used the whoop so I couldn't tell you I just wanted to say that it was like heavily pushed up my gym I also want to say that Mike Jones in chat wishes that laptops had SIM card slots and some of them do by the way like some of them do in the past reporting you did reporting around that in like 2017 like this is going to change the world or eims we don't want you don't want SIM card slots anywhere you want like your Sims because then and my Jones also continues with uh and then have a Windows app for your phone calls messages and whatnot yeah those were there is something called Windows to Android uh Android phones have phone to window something there's a there's a feature I can't remember the name off hand yeah and Samsung has his own version I Samsung has one Intel has a phone mirroring app Microsoft has a phone has an app called your phone which will mirror most of your oh that's right the one your phone yep yeah that's one of the big things that keeps me in the Podcast Apple ecosystem just the fact that if I'm getting a call like I have my desk set up exactly like this like the um microphone is always you know maybe I'll flip it up a little bit so it isn't always in my face but if I'm getting a call I will just flip the mic down I'll take the call on my laptop not even look at my phone super easy um last few Q&A Simon asked Simon B in the chat ask actually a very good question what will happen with the podcast for the summer will it continue are you guys taking a break you want Tod good question uh given that dendra and I are both like taking some time off in July I would say expect July's like live streams to be fairly sporadic at least I'm off for three weeks in July and there's no live stream if I can't run it so yeah exactly so like while dendra is out from like basically all the second two-thirds of July uh let's just say there's no live stream uh but I think we'll be around August we'll at least be around to cover um the Android thing sadly there will be no live stream to talk Samsung but uh you guys you guys can produce it in other ways but maybe it's up to you Sherin and whoever else you can grab there may be audio podcasts during those weeks you know so we shall see um hi to d man who is back I finally went back down all the way in the chat and uh buddy 305 love wants SIM card slots not a fan of eims yet I I hear like some people are frustrated about like the move to eims on iPhone uh and some more recent uh Android phones as well like I I actually don't mind I think that as long as the um transfer software is good um that's not such a bad thing Dr pro9 says nice call Center Oracle Technology Ben um I prefer to think of myself as one of the operators from The Matrix but I understand that it's also call center sort of stuff or the John Wick movies I don't know like you're just one of just like any of those guys that sit in front of the computers uh Oracle um Oracle Lady Oracle is a good one um yeah iPhone mirroring by the way that just hit the new beta so I'm looking forward to testing that with the the new Mac beta and my iPhone that's gonna be something I use quite a bit I love it great concept um and now oh that was also one of the ones we didn't really have space to talk about this but Apple saying may not bring this to the EU that's kind of kind of really really pushing it on the European commission there all right let's move on one yeah we do have one other thing that I wanted to psycho USB maybe just psycho says USB 2.0 port on a flagship phone should be illegal should be illegal can we yep confirm that that is actually what Motorola is doing I I haven't seen it mentioned in our Hands-On article um they might have seen the um spec sheet I wonder if also they're doing that because I don't think it depends on like are people thinking by wire much anymore like most phone backups are happening wirelessly as you're charging your device somewhere else if you want to download your libraries that is easier than syncing it to a library on your computer but yeah I agree 2.0 has nothing to do with charging speeds right it's just transfer speed I mean it's but it's cheaper to implement it's probably they want to spend the extra five or $10 it's just transfer yeah yeah so also doesn't that mean that you can't have one port for everything like if you had USB and you could plug just anything in there you could use I think it's USBC with us it's USBC 2.0 speeds or that sus okay I didn't even know that was possible this is why USBC is a mess just because it can be like the floor of USBC was like USB like three or I think that was the ideal that was the ideal um we we need to devote a whole episode to this at some point because it's like if you if you have a thunderbolt P Port you better get a thunderbolt cable otherwise you will not get those Thunderbolt speeds it's all the same damn connector oh my God okay ready to go on I mean we have talked about this before so confusing wait it's gotten dumber and sillier and um why I'm using some Galaxy buds there you go you're using Galaxy buds Galaxy buds okay I hope they don't explode let's all pray TR explode I mean I've used them for every live stream so yep let's get to this other news all right we're gonna blow through some of these stories but uh these are all big ones yeah okay all right let's move on on to some Julian Assange other news and I think one of the surprise stories this week is that Julian nange the founder of WikiLeaks who has been in prison for a few years was hiding out in an embassy in London right um after Wikileaks like put out the documents like a lot of secret documents classified documents around the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars us did not like that so he is now free from prison he plad guilty to the Espionage Act at a courthouse in sapan um he I just saw the news like he has arrived back in his homeland of Australia he's reuniting with his wife he's not actually saying much except saying um let me see here the deal required Assange to Bad Guilty to conspiring to unlawfully obtain and disseminate classified information relating to the National Defense of the United States he did defend himself in court he did say like um let me see here working as a journalist I encouraged my source to provide information that was said to be classified in order to publish that that information I believe the First Amendment protected that of course his Source was Chelsea Manning too so she they also went to prison for a while um there's a lot of there has been a lot of discussion about how is this an unfair thing like should we should the government go go so harshly against leakers but especially if it's classified information I think that's where it gets it gets so messy you know Chelsea Manning spent years in presid was like what six or years and then Obama I think commuted her sentence so that that kind of like worked out better there but it is um I don't know do you have any thoughts on the Sherin because we've been talking about the Julian on stuff for so long it felt like the story would never end and it's not done yet like he's goingon to say things um his supporters are going to be out there trying to you know say that spin this a certain way too I don't know what do you think about it I think I think I mean the question that you were getting at near the end of that portion there is that you know does the penalty be fit the crime and like it's hard right like it's you have to talk about like National Security is one thing you also have to talk about like who who was affected what's the like net good or net harm like it's really hard to like decide then there's a reason I'm not in the legal Judiciary System to like decide these things kind of a yeah it's it's kind of a I think like one major argument I've seen against Wikileaks over time time is that hey like listen leakers getting confidential government information out there has been hugely important in the history of this country like the Pentagon papers were like that was classified information that was massively influential in terms of well that's I'm gonna get to that but the Pentagon papers that definitely helped us uh get a sense of like what was actually happening in Vietnam and showed how bad the Vietnam War was for America and how kind of a failed War it was um the s points out that he says the First Amendment and the Espionage Act are in contradiction of each other um he accepts his actions were in violation of the ESP Espionage statute and that it would be difficult to win such a case given all the circumstances basically if you leak anything even if it's like you believe it's in it's for the greater good like the government will like come come down against you with the full weight of its Justice Powers um the argument against Wikileaks is that they did not do anything to redact confidential information especially things around um I believe was like locations of agents and people working around the world there were there was a lot of like really sensitive stuff that wasn't cleared or leaked at all um or like what were not like really redacted and what Snowden had done was a little different like he had worked directly with um with several with a you know uh several several people in organizations um including who's whose name is escaping me now the main journalist that was working with snowa but he worked with journalists who vetted the Greenwald and also greenal now fallen far from like when we from being played by Spock in the Snowden movie um Glenn Greenwald you have fallen very far um but the Snowden stuff they were working together with journalists who did a lot of that information redacted a lot of confidential stuff and even he ended up being you know hounded and stuff in Russia and also yeah not being like the hero of the left that a lot of people wanted him to be but whatever that information is out there do you do you ever talk to people Shin around the Snowden reveals or Spectre do you ever hear people actually talk about wasn't it weird that we learned that the US government and a lot of governments were like actively spying on citizens and we just don't talk about it I have you ever encountered people actually discussing it in your daily life outside of tech circles I I don't think people like talk about anymore like I think back in the day yes uh I might have been a bit too what did you have conversations back then with people I'm just wondering like if you encountered this in the real world outside of the media world you know no because the people I was talking to back then were all media people like I didn't have many like I think it was like early in my uh move to America all my friends were my J school friends and and it was like yeah um and none of singaporeans didn't really they like you're like yeah just oh so yeah we're like of course the government is spying on you everything you know like it's not I mean no we don't think the government is spying on us but we it's ingrain in us to like be careful what we say because the government over hears you talking [ __ ] about them they like jail you yeah um but the thing is I think the question here is yeah the responsible treatment of like sensitive private information that could like lead to harm of individual people but also like I don't know I mean like people wasn't there a Jamie John Oliver segment on like people getting names confused of like do you know who Julian Assange is do you know who Edward Snowden is and then people were like oh the Wikileaks guy and they were like no snowden's not the Wikileaks guy like it's there's a lot of confusion around all there's a lot of confusion yeah I think in the moment we didn't have conversations as much around like what Snowden revealed but I think we're feeling the impact of it now where like everyone is aware that there's a lot of stuff that's spying on you whether it's your social media whether your phone whether it's the government and there's like heightened like antitrust sentiment like just nobody trusts anyone anymore more um so that's what we're feeling I feel I don't know mhm I I Misinformation mean there has to be room like for people to actually divulge information if they think things are going wrong but wh unfortunately yeah that that does not work with the way governments in uh classified information work right Bo without retaliation is like a huge like thing that needs to be supported but I don't we're gonna we're going to be talking about the story for a while too like Assange is not gonna he is going to be much louder now he's going to be doing many interviews and probably going to have all sorts of like deals out of this so we're going to be talking about this story for a while and um certainly it's going to be worth diving deeper into it too so I'm looking for a good guest to talk to around that stuff uh there are a couple other major reveals or other bits of news we saw this week too the Supreme Court ruled that um it allows the White House to request uh removal of misinformation on social media uh This was um I'm just reading out here from are um basically I believe this was this was a result of conservative complaints of the Biden Administration going to social media uh companies and just asking them to remove specific bits of news around misinformation I think one thing uh revolved around um Biden's granddaughter so just specific bits that they thought were being like put out there badly and you know the government was essentially trying to stop what it called misinformation I've seen a lot of commentary where people are saying this actually does set a bad prec because okay what is misinformation could a more nefarious regime if there was another Trump regime or something could a more nefarious Administration use this badly and just like Define misinformation as stuff they just don't like um that could be kind of a problem I don't know if have you thought about this all sherlin just can't trust people right like you can put something in place that's supposed to protect people they tear it down because they think it's going to be like abused or you can put something in place that was bad and tear it down to protect other I don't know it's like I don't trust that like a a specific Administration anymore you know what I mean like I sometimes they do bad things because they're dumb sometimes they do bad things because they're bad sometimes they don't think I don't know I I have very little faith in a lot of these things so no matter how this Falls I feel like the outcome it's a ongoing and B like I have very little faith what's interesting about this case too is it was Amy Co Amy K Amy K Barrett Barrett who who you know is a trump appointee who kind of really tore down this whole thing because uh I I think at some point the the plaintiffs were saying the White House was was bombarding uh Twitter with requests to set up a streamline process for censorship and uh that never really happened um let me see here I'm going to read from NPR in her opinion for for the majority Court the court majority Barrett said that at every turn the alleged facts turn to dust and that the plaintiff have failed to trace the past or potential harm to anything done by officials at the White House the CDC the FBI or key cyber security agencies so it's just like a lot of it was kind of thrown out because a lot of this was ruled as baseless um just kind of interesting but I don't know what this sets precedence for I think a lot of people are worried especially people worried about information um overall Freedom of Information so there is that we also saw another Supreme Court story actually just hit this morning the Supreme Court has blocked uh the Biden ministration plan to curb air Sol air pollution from basically key polluting States I think in the Midwest and um places like West Virginia basically to stop them or at least help them prevent uh spewing emissions that would go into other states uh so here's the story right now the Supreme Court put a temporary hold on the EPA plan to do that basically to curtail air pollution that drifts across state lines um I think the ruling before was that states essentially were going to have to deal with it themselves they would all have to come up with their own plans for figuring out how do they would deal with their own messy air and because that didn't happen the EPA was trying to come up with rules to set it up so that they could they could actually help curtail this it's just not going anywhere this is another blow against the EPA and can think another blow against um I the government to actually stop things like air pollution or things that would make the environment better uh what's interesting is that uh Amy Cony Barrett was among the denters for this one too she joined the three liberal members to push against this um I don't know if you have thoughts on the Shing because this one just hit but it is kind of astounding like at every turn it's basically we have a very conservative Supreme Court who will always lean on conservative values and states rights rather than something that could help people I know yeah I don't know I think we've not given the EPA a lot of um authority to do what it needs to do basically I think yeah I mean basically taking it away at every single turn or R1 security issue at least blocking whatever plans there's the other thing too about um the EPA can't set uh what was it like uh their own environmental like yeah protections like they can't set standards that was a whole other thing so the EP just can't really do much these days that's a pain um we're going to see more about that story too and maybe there's going to be push back against that let's talk about the rabbit R1 because there was a hilarious uh chain of events where the hacker group uh or the group The Rabbit toe community that is reverse engineering the rabbit R1 software revealed that a they found a security code or security issue within the company code that leaves sensitive information accessible to everyone and did you did you see this thing Shin because it just seems wild it seems like there were API keys that were like open and vulnerable um people could use it to see pretty much any information like any any response that the R1 device has given to people including personal information uh it could also be used to Brick R1 devices alter are the r1's responses um replace devices voice this seems bad dare you surprised that this company was not really thinking about security very hard about the rabbit R1 I I love talking about rabbit because every time something comes up with this company I just start to laugh um look I again I was very like you know I bought into the whole hype thing I was like oh this is so cool the API stuff that they're trying to build to make their large action model work seems really intriguing and then yeah clearly haven't thought it through don't seem to have tested everything I think the most egregious thing is that the um uh rabbit people say uh that the company rabbit has known about the issue for the past month and quote did nothing to fix it and then after they posted they said that rabbit revoked uh 11 labs's API key even though it up even though it broke R1 devices for a bit but rabbit did telling Gadget in an email or a statement that was only made aware of quote an alleged data breach end quote on June 25th so two days I it's a said she said almost and I don't know I would not trust rabbit why I look maybe here's the thing it's like you can say that you inform someone at the company and say that the company has known about the issue for the past month but maybe that one person that you informed and tell the whole company like there's so many like little nuances that can be Miss in this that like they do have some gray area that they're playing in right now and both people could be like saying like the truth and you could be nice and fair here but uh this company has produced one of the uh one of the worst devices we've ever seen a thing that is functionally useless and I I can't trust literally anything coming out of their mouth so I saw on the uh the rabbit I'm still in the rabbit Discord Channel they were doing some updates yesterday they were like oh we made a page to update all the uh all the news we have around this security issue we're going to get to the bottom of this and I just I cannot trust this the silly company it's just such a funny it's just such a hilarious thing so anyway massive data breach uh if you have a rabbit device um I would say maybe turn that into a nice uh accessory on your shelf uh no um some solid solid in our chat said that someone is running full Android on rabbit R1 so you know hey go crazy it's just a little it's a tiny powerless Android device so yes I'm sure you could run full Android on it uh stop using the rabbit R1 that may be that may be the main takeaway here uh we also saw another story that Uber is apparently locking out New York drivers out of its apps uh it seems like sometimes in the middle of their shifts because uh of a city pay Rule and Lyft is apparently threatening to to do the same this is kind of a local story but it's also a broader story too because um this kind of like ties into things where they were both uh both Uber and Lyft had lockouts in 2019 around like the flat minimum wage require for drivers uh they threatened to pull out of Minneapolis because the city was trying to uh force a driver pay raise up so these companies have generally done things that have been kind of Ruthless against the people working for them and then they blame city regulations or state regulations for that what I don't know if you saw the story Shin or do you have any thoughts on it yeah I mean I heard about like the the past situation where there's like a minimum wage sort of situation that's you know caused some of this and it's not easy for companies like this to to navigate I'm not taking their side I think it's silly but they need to find a way to make it work not just lock people out of like the apps that Mak it seems this is the way like um because they don't want to pay people so right that's the problem but the problem is like if Uber starts to pay his drivers for like when it doesn't have you know they they're not picking up actual rights and like where does that money come from it's capitalism all over again right capitalism is the problem because they want to they're going to try to pass that on to consumers and then we're going to start complaining that ubber are too expensive and then we're going to stop using it as much and then less it's like a cycle duh um I mean we we also know we should remember it's hard to trust Uber it's hard to trust Uber given how ress this company was at the beginning and how it just flaunted um its own service against regulations especially in New York so you well here they've had leadership changed since then and the new like CEO is like a more grounded person it seems like and in I I think try to yeah trying to be better but I still think that it's more of an industry sort of shift right the gig economy is kind of the way things are right now I think I've seen some reports saying that like 50% of the workforce is going to be freels in a certain number of years and we're already seeing the effects of this we need to be rethinking the entire system of how we pay people for Gig work and for like unworking hour non-working hours that sort of thing I it's it's not really it's not really non-working hours is the thing like I'm going to read from our story the mid shift lockout stem from a six-year-old NYC payroll that requires ride sharing companies to pay drivers for idle time between fairs so I don't consider that non-working hours that is time you were driving around the city and like looking for fairs waiting for a fair to get before you accept one uh so going on with the story here capping it capped how long drivers without passengers can be paid means Uber's uh Uber is paying them less but also means that drivers are taking home much less money for the same amount of time on the clock and they can't predict they can't predict when they'll lose access to the app One driver told Bloomberg that they used to work 10 hours and make 300 to 350 now they're working 10 hours and barely making $170 so the unpredictability is like one of the worst things of this whole situation which is also by the way very surprising to me because every time I'm like in an Uber I see like the driver gets a next ride before I out of the car you know what I mean so I'm like who there's people sitting around like looking for right that's where my brain's at yeah I mean I've seen drivers like running liftting Uber simultaneously and will like pause one and take one of the other just so they keep themselves going but it does seem it's because like it's based on the amount of work you're doing and you're not working a set amount of time um that's kind of the big pain I don't know if you ever if you've ever worked like a I don't know like a simple service level job Shin where like you had to rely on shifts being given to you and sometimes you would not get a shift or sometimes like you have to ask or sometimes shift would be put on you um this would happened to me like when I was working in sales like it's just you have very little control over how much money you can actually make and it's all just kind of capricious it depends on like your manager and your company doing it I don't even know how the Uber thing is working because Uber is like so famously um algorithmic right Mo drivers do not have a human manager to talk to they put complaints in the app and the app will like tell them go here take this direction or something so I almost wonder two like this is likely an algorithmic lockout that's happening because that's how Uber works so anyway next time you have a cheap Uber just uh just think about like the costs here and make sure to tip your drivers because I had a really long conversation with my last driver to the airport and they were just lamenting like these companies are just paying us less and less like every year every week it seems like their pay is going down even though they're doing the same amount of trips so think of that folks um one thing I don't mind doing especially at airports is like the Uber lines are kind of a mess you think you're booking a car but then you have to run to the thing and like find it and every time I go to the airport like the taxi lines are just like full completely full and waiting to pick up people so there are way other ways to get around take public transportation you don't have to rely on Uber and lift for everything uh one other thing we want to talk about and we're going to do something special for the live stream here um Toys R Us or the folks who own Toys R Us right now um has released a brand ad like a brand film that was created entirely using open AI Sora and folks it's a nightmare it is an absolute nightmare so we're g to play it here live in the Stream and comment on it and those of us in the those of you in the chat can join us you could go take a look just Google Google this thing too you can find it online so I'm going to kick off this video let's just take a look and charlin feel free to shout out like your emotions like how you're feeling about this thing as we're seeing it so let me unmute this tab and hit play did you ever wonder how toys Ras and Jeffrey the giraffe came to be that's a lot of cars the son of a bike shop owner charles Lazarus had a vision that would go on to change toy stores forever his head is just not shaped right [Music] my gosh this look so strange this reminds me of that [Music] [Music] g this is a different looking Jeffrey now they right [Music] kid R Us was the dream of Charles Lazarus may all of your dreams come true too the dream and the dream continues on with a Toys R Us at every Macy's they mean nightmare yes they mean nightmare I'm just gonna I'm just gonna mute that side um so I guess this is an ad meant to remind people that toys Russ is not fully Dead Yet the company that owns the ass of Toys R R Us is now working together with Macy's and I don't have you been to Macy's lately Sherin there are little Toys R R Us sections there now it's just uh it's not the same it's not the same as like going through I did you guys have anything like Toys R we did y so like going through the Giant Store filled with toys my childhood memories is um buying video games from Toys R which was a weird thing because you'd have to like pull you'd have to pull a paper and like go up to the counter and hope that it was actually in stock but as a kid who only got like one or two games a year it was always like a Monumental event to go to play games for free for demos those experience you will not get at the Toys R rest at Macy's and this is one of the first Sora AI produced ads I've seen I think it kind of looks like a nightmare like the kid the kid just looks inhuman is the thing like I'm getting a lot of revulsion here there's a lot of very uncanny valley going on like the the the mov movement of the kid's neck went like they reacted and recoiled almost a little bit not in a like a bad way but it it looked a little robotic very strange and then like yeah their face would change depending on the angle that they were being shot from According to the AI and then the ad has these very clear labels that this is made by not just AI but also some bfx team on toys ros' side so like there's some cleaning up because I will say that for like a Sor made video is clean right there's not too many glaring like errors like too much teeth or too many fingers that they have to like likely redo things quite a bit like CU what we proba clean it up they likely have to clean it up but also what we have read and seen from people testing Sor is that if you the prompts kind of like break down after a while so you can do like 10c second Clips or something but the longer you go the crazier and like Wilder it gets it just can't like keep a story straight so I'm like making a video in Sor is just like a lot of like little tiny Proms and hope you cross your fingers and you hope it's not a complete nightmare yeah this is I'm getting a lot of like people are bringing this up in the chat but I'm getting a lot of like Polar Express and like the M Mech was doing but even like I've seen all of those movies I saw be wolf which I think was one of the first ones he did and those don't feel as weird and inhuman to me as this does but I'm also somebody that likes genuine animation too and those had like painterly animation whereas this is like inhuman CG child trying to be human and it's just like not quite right so you know there's your nightmare feel for the week folks enjoy let's move on to what we're working on um hey I just produced the uh Surface Pro co-pilot plus review that is out there um video is going to be up on YouTube I'm also currently testing Kia's ev9 the three row SUV that Sam and I have been like eyeing for a while so I'm testing it hoping to write up something about using it as a family car what's up with you shin yeah doing a lot of uh summer/fall event planning we're also doing some testing of the Apple betas just to see um just to get ready to you know break out new sort of stories that might be interesting um and you know hopefully get ahead of that crushing fall Hardware season um so that's do you want to mention anything around the site because you dropped them in so last week we had a story from Carissa Bell uh go up and it's titled how small claims court became meta's customer service hotline uh where people are apparently having to go to court as a last Stitch attempt to recover their accounts it's pretty incredible um and the story did really well for us I think there's some really interesting stories in here uh that you might want to take a look uh at if you haven't already it's really good reporting from Carissa I just thought you know it's worth shouting out here on the podcast so that people can go read it and if you've got you been locked out of your meta account for some silly reason or you got hacked or something and you just you're not getting help directly from meta apparently there are people are having some success in small claims scor which is really ridiculous we come to think about it it's kind of I mean I guess it makes sense because these companies do not have like often have like easy ways to get access to customer service right that was a complaint with the Amazon for a while I think they've gotten better about that but yeah man just be persistent if you have have a lot of issues with these uh with these companies also small claims score is like one of those things that is just like useful for people but you have to you have to like stick with it you have to spend money to actually make that thing happen to you know bring up your issues um cool lots of time lots of time um let's move on to our pop culture piics for the week what do you have sherlin um two main things one I can't remember if I've mentioned this before but I've been watching wild Isles uh on Prime video uh it is nature documentary stuff narrated by David Edinburgh about the British Isles and each episode of the five like limited series like of five episode limited series each episode focuses on a different type of wildlife so the first episode is just like General Wildlife the second episode is like Forest the third is like Fields the fourth is like freshwater the fourth is like ocean stuff like that um it's really cool because the footage is incredible the BBC commission this uh TV series um and you know the team spent three years just camouflaged in the midst of like burd poop infested Woods to just get you like really neat thermal image footage of like a million birds roosting in this little patch how they're picked off by owls yeah forever yeah I mean they have but this is like the thermal image technology is according to the show like new um and a lot of these the footage to me is really cool because I mean I haven't never seen a slug I forget the full name of this slug but like a slug in the middle of night is glowing and it made it with another slug so I've seen a slugs dick just so you know okay okay um yeah and then I also saw two snakes going at it did you know that male snakes their sexual organs have things on them that help them stay attached to the fale SN imag I imagine for that and more risque footage uh of animals going at it you can check out wild is on Prime video the other thing I will shout out yeah no I mean kids can watch it too it's like animal sex you know yeah yeah not a euphemism well not anyway um and then also uh over the weekend I saw the bike riders in theaters um it's that film about the motorcycle gang the fictional motorcycle can't go van the vandals um Austin Butler they're real it's based on the whole real thing it's based on a real thing the name is not the Vandal the name may be different yeah it was based on a picture book of an actual biker gang yeah yes it's the picture book by Danny lions and uh it stars Austin Butler Tom Hardy jod comr is amazing and I love her I don't know if that's how you pronounce her last name but uh and then also maoo Norman Rita shows up and I was like yes Norman Rita right and he's kind of unrecognizable when he first shows up like this is norus right this is no with the teeth and he looks like a dirty he looks like a such a meth head from yeah dirty hippie from California in the show but like oh amazing and then yeah I'm very inspired to go check out the the story now the written in the pictures um so if you're interested in sort of that type of History um motorcycle gang stuff go check it out but uh I mean it's more like motorcycle gangs uh in the style of like Good Fellas or something I saw the movie and I reviewed it and it's like it's good I really like it and I like the director I feel like yeah it was a little more push a little harder tell us more about this characters what is up with the jod character who literally has no no inner life what does she do for a living Y what are her hopes dreams other than Austin Butler hot is yeah I don't oh God I was I don't know why I'm so annoyed by Austin Butler but I did really like Tom Hardy in it and I will say that like psycho in our chat says that they didn't like the ending of bike riders p them off and that Jonathan Anderson says that the bike riters was good but had some slow Parts fully agree with both of both of these things I just thought Tom Hardy plays obviously the same character over and over again but he was quite good in this one and a different accent he always brings a different slightly different accent I love this I thought this one was good I also like Jody Comer's like accent in this one as well um but yeah I am obviously not like super into the ending I feel like like you said D they could have pushed harder on the storytelling got pushed harder yeah the ending feels like weak it's just like I watch mov like I'm like I want to just rewatch goodas you want to give me goodas light just just go watch goodas everybody good Fellas is a perfect movie um I want to shout out real quick uh I talked about the acolyte being great several weeks ago and now we're at the point where my screeners have ended and episode five of the acolyte is one of those things that is just like I was looking at this thing and like how the hell does this exist something happens three minutes into this episode and I shout it out loud and my wife had to come downstairs to be like what What's happen are you okay because one of the wildest Things I've ever seen in Star Wars happen within three minutes of this episode there are prolonged fight scenes uh the I'm not going to reveal like what the thing is but there is a big bad that everybody has been sort of like talking around and they make their full appearance in this episode and the fights are insane like it is fullon I talked about this thing basically being Crouching Tiger and they they lean more into a lot of that stuff just the way you shoot a Hong Kong style fight scene and like I'm all for it the reveals are great um charlin I think for your life and for your interests you really should be watching the show and I think you will be very happy where things go in episode five um keyword is arms the arms in this episode are very very good um if you're hanging around social media the spoilers are out I mean listen you've got musly arms for but there are there are some good musly arms in this episode the spoilers are out there in social media so I'm I'm trying to I'm not going to like reveal things here and you'll probably see Clips Forin of certain actors who are revealed to be bad guys okay I think you will really enjoy watching the acolytes so highly recommend it I know you like Hong Kong martial arts movies yes I do yeah and I don't know if you like watch after I'm after I'm done with all the animal porn yeah yeah after the animal porn um it's good it's so good and I don't and now I go back and like I'm looking at like how people online are responding to the it's just like sure trash fire it is the fans who who don't who like will reject anything made by women or featuring people of color just like those bad Star Wars fans they're still around but also like a lot of weird nitpicking over the series um I'm not giving full judgment on the narrative until it's like done and I see a complete story but what it is so far is fascinating and cool and action-packed and I just freaking love it so the acolytes still good catch up folks because you're going to be spoiled this weekend I'm sure of it I'm already seeing the gifts and the memes out there on Twitter so yeah catch up all right you can wrap all right I'm gonna do the outro well that's it for every that's it for everyone oh my gosh the world just ended well that's it for the episode this week everyone thank you as always for listening our theme music is by game composer Dale North our outro music is by our former managing editor Terence O'Brien the podcast is produced by Ben Elman you can find D vindra online at dindra on Twitter Blue Sky threads all over the place Mastadon and I podcast about movies and TV atth filmcast tocom if you want to send me high quality footage of slugs mating I guess please PG-13 only I am at sherlin low on Twitter or X and at Sherin Instagram on threads email us your thoughts at podcasted engadget.com leave us a review please on iTunes or your podcast catcher of choice and subscribe anywhere you can get podcasts thanks folks we're out okay so everybody stick around because we are going to be talking to chat for a little while yeah a little bit I just realized next week July 4th lands on Thursday so exactly so we're actually out of all of July well maybe maybe we have time to do a short episode I don't know like maybe before July 4th but we got you yeah yeah yeah maybe next week episode FKS yeah but it won't probably won't be live streamed I don't I don't know yeah Ben how about I record a line now to say there will be no episode next week at least yes okay all right and just a reminder everyone there will not be an episode of the podcast next week because uh of the Fourth of July holiday okay that's fine it's up to you guys if you do anything else um I'm sure you fig out they're gonna be a couple episodes for you so West Jackson says dindra this might have been actually before we were talking about the acolyte he said I heard episode three jump the shark a bit I think that's when the evil twin came in I'm not sure that's literally that's what the series is like I don't know it's not a huge spoiler but also this is Star Wars people and people like oh my God twins I don't understand that plot Point did you forget what Luc and Leia were like literally literally the core characters this has been a twin centered story forever don't like this is new oh my god oh boy um let's see I don't know what Quinn Thompson's talking about Quinn Thompson let me know what you're talking about um people are very hype about uh all the Animal Planet stuff and the acolyte speaking of Star Wars I can't stop talking about Jenny Nicholson's 4our Star Wars Galactic Cruise video um you should watch it sherlin just to see like the state of content right now honestly I well yeah the state of content right now that's one thing but also she just does like a really good job of research so it's I Str excuse me I struggle to call it content because I think content is usually like a meaning word this is an essay this is a true essay is a very long very good video essay yeah on top of that I think it's possibly setting Miss Nichols up for a career in like experience design consulting or something she got a lot of good ideas yeah if Disney was smart they wouldn't get mad they would just start hiring her um she is a theme park kid and she's talked about this in like other things too so like yeah she's somebody who has thought deeply about this and can really speak to the problems of that freaking Star War Hotel my God it seems like actually for No One Like It's not really for adults and it's only for like a very small like age group of kids and that doesn't really do anyone any good does it it's uh it's weird yep I just wanted to point out that depro 9 when we're were talking about Toys R Us uh depro 9 made a funny typo they said I'm seeing full Rick and mortar Toys R Us stores in Florida Rick and Morty Rick Mor Rick and mortar Rick and Morty um but then they corrected themselves and said brick so I mean I I knew what you were going for a handful of things still open but last like last I saw there was like widespread like those things died you know so the main we it exists now is within Macy's yeah H and also uh Quinn Thompson clarified they were talking about the acolytes so yeah okay now I get it oops uh de says there's new AI news from Instagram just now uh we shall go take a look but also so uh can I just say that uh we didn't talk about this in the episode but we uh did you see the thing about Amazon adding like a cheap direct from China section to the Amazon store and I'm like oh Amazon that is just Amazon that's always been about cheap stuff from China getting bright to okay yeah well yeah but I think that they want even cheaper so they want direct shipping they don't even want like Warehouse they want to S warehous with Shen and te sure uh dr9 is adding the information around that AI stuff from Instagram rolling out an early test in the US of our AI Studios so you might start seeing AI from your favorite creators and interest based AIS in coming week on Instagram uh thank you for sharing the news with us here at ebo 9 thank you funny thing about it though is that I haven't seen a whole lot of enthusiasm about chat Bots or especially like interest based stuff among like just the general populace nobody cares I see a lot of people being like oh wow like you know chat GPT is really helpful for schoolwork chat GPT like helps me with my coding and then there are like literal computer science professors saying like way too many of their students are using chat GPT code rather than actually learning to code yeah yeah but I am not seeing like the most like like general population of normies being like wow chat GPT is really helpful large language models are changing my life what were you gonna say Shan uh don't know if I can remember oh no that I think I was saying that I've used the AI stuff on like generating some backgrounds on an Instagram story but that's really it and I don't use it a lot at all like I just did it for the novelty it's uh I do like that uh you know uh a lot a large portion of creative Society even if like the mainstream people aren't like a well aware I like the creative response has basically been to when people saw Google Glass for the first time there's like nope yeah not not happening no thank you um yeah and there is yeah the we didn't cover the Tribeca AI films right because there's a whole around that stuff and the director for one of those was also on Twitter like talking about it too and like not really putting herself in a good position even though she just made an indie movie I really liked so it's very weird what this is doing to artist now too um Jonathan Anderson sarcastically said in the chat that they are just waiting for Apple intelligence LOL and then it'll be great um I will point out that whenever Jed emojis which are Apple intelligence whenever they do roll around and that image playground stuff that's when the mainstream is actually going to start using them maybe not every single day and every single message but that's when people will start using them like your bit Emoji you know your bitemoji I mean that's what I if go read my 3,000 review word review of the Surface Pro which Rin had to edit sorry um but the image Generation stuff is in paint it's in photos yep useless it is okay what are we doing yeah you asked a very good question of like what are people going to use it for in their presentations that's really it right like what else you know maybe occasionally send a funny video to a friend or something but you'd rather make something that looks like your friend that is kind of like somehow related to things that is what the Gen emojis are doing or also sorry go on finish or you send what do you send people you send people memes or fun information like things happening and like exactly AI stuff is the only memes around it is how bad the AI is yeah which is kind of where my mind is going like yeah we have meme templates I was playing around with you know that cycle meme template where you know four things happen and then it just goes back to square one and so you might end up using AI to generate like a template but the thing that makes any meme like like worth interacting with is the personal intent you're not just going to like punch a bunch of stuff into chat GPT and it's going to make something that you find really fun that's going to be like the Bas layer and then you're G to have to like put some human intent on top of it what were you gonna say Shan I was just gonna say basically the same thing just summarizing what both of you are saying right like who cares no one's going to send like generated AI generated a Content around what people want to share is original stuff that might or might not have happened in real life and then even when people are rage baiting on Tik Tok nowadays you'll see that people are angry about like this looks stag this looks fake this person was standing around on the street acting with their friend pretending like it was a chance encounter people know when something is fake and they don't like it we want original we want real content to share so I think that's what it is who's somebody on Twitter had said like they don't want AI to like um yeah they want AI to do the laundry and the grun work so they can be creative not to do the art you know so they can do their laundry and I think that is that is it that's the perfect way of thinking about it and we didn't talk about this but the open AIC and her shitty comments around uh maybe some artists uh deserve to be laid off maybe they weren't doing much when the entire value of what open the ey is building is built on scrap scraping up some CEOs deserve to be laid off you know well yeah she's a CTO but yeah okay these folks these folks are all people how about that yeah all right chat how we doing I think just about done yeah we're vibing now so I think we we should say goodbye to everyone that wants to say goodbye your goodbyes bye to Tom Rogers bye to solidus T bye to Jonathan Anderson bye to dud Dame Charlie bye to Buddy 305 love by to Dro n by to West Jackson and oh George Morgan thps George Morgan Gonzalo Costa uh psycho all caps Declan uh I think that's oh Paradise with a bunch of eyes can I show you all something special for the live stream because we're going off for a whole month I'll just show you all something okay goodbye what was that what you made that what yeah I made it made a poop thanks thanks for sharing that with the classroom wait is that Polo Santo oh no it's it's yarn it's just yarn poop thank you Shin okay thank you everybody chat you make us smarter you remember things that we forgot the video comes to you via dindra on OBS I do the camera switching and also watch the chat thank you everyone we'll see you soon see you soon at least a month from now folks bye