mgk, GloRilla, Hit-Boy, Johnny Manziel & Alycia Baumgardner on Mistakes & Come-Ups | The Shop S7

Intro - You come from a very religious family? - Yes. - You weren't allowed to listen to any secular music, right? - So like, I got older parents. Like, my dad is 73, my mama's 60. Once we got in the car, we not listening to no hip-hop station or nothing. They finna to play straight 95.7 Hallelujah FM. Like, only gospel music. (all laughing) But when I first started rapping, the first song I ever did, before let my daddy hear it, I was talking crazy. My daddy was like, "What the **** is you talking about?" (all laughing) What the ****- - Wait you played it for him? - Uh-huh, but my sister had end up... I was at my apartment cooking one day and my mama called me. She was like, "So you do music?" I was like, "How you know?" (all laughing) (soft hip hop music) - [Johnny] They shamed me so hard for not being able to play in that game. - [GloRilla] A girl from Memphis, you know, from the ghetto. And being able to be invited to the White House, like that was everything to me. - [Hit-Boy] I eat very well but it's like, I know what it really supposed to be. - [MGK] I'm just like a lost boy trying to find something to belong to. - [Alycia] I'm an athlete of integrity. I never had to cheat in my life. (soft hip hop music) - [Maverick] Here we go, season seven. But as they say, time flies when you're having fun and time has went fast. - [PR] I always say this, we're lucky to have these jobs where we get to sit with incredible people that in all cases we're fans of, but we also learn a lot while we're here, right? - [Maverick] Yes. Here's to more great conversations, great moments and, of course, great style. - [PR] Always great style. - Here's to season seven. - Cheers. - Cheers. - [Maverick] Yo! - [Johnny] What's up? - [Maverick] Look at that guy, there. What's up brother man? - What's up, baby? - [Maverick] How you been dog? - Good to see you. - [Maverick] How you been, bro? - [Johnny] I'm doing great. - You look like you're in great shape. - I'm in good shape. (hands smack) I'm back. - [Maverick] You're in great shape? - I'm in great shape. I'm getting even better every day. - Really? - [Johnny] Yeah. - You been working out? - Start on Monday. - What made you start working out hard? - I went to UCLA Pro Day the other day and was like throwing the ball around and like actually touched the NFL football again and got the itch. - Is this the first time y'all talked in forever? When's the last time y'all sat and even had a conversation? - Last time I saw Mav, I was leaving- - Nice guy? - [Johnny] Drake? No. - No, Drake? - I knew we was somewhere. - The Drake party at Super Bowl last year. I was walking out early before- - This was Vegas. Phoenix? - [Johnny] Phoenix, Drake. - I was with you. - Phoenix Drake concert. You were walking out to get somebody and I was leaving early 'cause it was too crazy in there and- - [Maverick] That's right. - You were probably looking at me like I was crazy 'cause you've never seen me leave a party, especially a Drake party early before. - You were actually leaving the party, that's right. I went to get somebody in. - [Johnny] Yep. - Yes. That's the last time we said hello, like talked. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Honestly, it didn't hit me. Obviously, we spend every day together and you know, we see each other in passing. I saw your interview with, you know, Uncle Shay, Uncle Shannon, and it wasn't like, "Oh, it hadn't hit me that y'all hadn't spoken or hadn't spent any real time since y'all worked together." - Yeah, I think that's like the thing that I like, kind of came out and said on Shannon, 'cause I texted you after it came out. Because listen, like, as you know, there's a way that you guys move, in a sense, Johnny Manziel on his time in Cleveland and his growth that I picked up on when I was in my time in Cleveland. ****, my time in Akron, my time in the offices like, LRMR for me, was two and a half, three years of my life. Like now, as I get to sit here as like, a 31-year-old dude, like, I really realize why things went the way that they did. How hard was it? You know? How hard was it dealing with me during those times? And "hard" may not be the word, but like, when you want something so bad, and what you and Brad and EB all wanted for me, I couldn't want for myself enough to get things done. And then like, when you sit back and you have time to reflect on the totality of your life and like, the people that have come into it. Like, I really just felt like, a pressing need to like, go on Shay Shay and like, sit there and express my gratitude for everybody that was involved in that process. 'Cause I know it wasn't easy. Like, "Hey we need you to do this X, Y and Z." And then you see me sitting in the condo at The 9 in Cleveland, I'm like, "I ain't doing that." You got Rodney sitting there and the rest of the boys sitting there like, "Yo, what do you mean you're not gonna do this? Like, we got things on the schedule." So like now, sitting here, 31 years old, like, I have appreciation and a gratitude for all that you guys tried to do. And what we did, pretty much, I mean there's still a lot that we got done, Mav. I still feel a sense of accomplishment for everything that you did for me, that Bron did for me. That the whole crew did for me. That like, will always take with me forever. Like, I learned way more now, with a clear head, when I look back at it than I thought I ever really did. - I was watching it and I understood your point of view on it and your feeling about it. My point of view on it was, I never felt like you owed me an apology. We worked together, we did, to your point, some great business together. Did a lot of great things. I was saddened by the choices that you made as a NFL player, but more as a person. But more importantly, we had shifted, when I say we, Brad, who was his lawyer, who's a great man, EB, who was his agent. It shifted from like, "Get Johnny to his next contract and help him be a great quarterback." To "Let's not let this guy die. Like damn, let's just keep him alive. Let's keep him..." It was like, "The football thing, that ship has sailed. He's not gonna be a football player." - And Johnny, from where you're sitting, is it like, "Man, pain in my ***." Like, was it... - Johnny was like, two, three day bender. Like, you don't know where he is. And when you deal with anyone in your life like that, when they go on that type of, I've had aunts, uncles. - [PR] Me too. - You never know when it's the one where- - The one time it goes bad. - [Maverick] When you finally gonna get the call like, "They found him in the hotel on the floor da, da, da." And you know you. You were- - Yeah, and I didn't see that at that point in time. Like, genuinely, I thought I was doing like, I was living this episode out of "Ballers". Like, I was in my condo in Cleveland doing whatever. Like, had everything I could've ever wanted. Mav and them were so, so plugged that I'm in there, as you know. Like, I'm rolling around the city in 300, $400,000 worth of cars, absolutely being a menace in the city of Cleveland. And then as I'm not playing in Cleveland, like, I'm not tapped into what we're doing as a Browns organization and as in a quarterback room. Like, I'm completely, because of the way our situation was in Cleveland, detached from it all. - What up bro? - [MGK] Oh, get it. - Good to see you. Speaking of Cleveland. - Yeah, Cleveland. - For sure. - [MGK] Yup, in the building. - Johnny, you also... (laughs) I mean, I can laugh at it now 'cause I'm sitting here staring at you, we're having the conversation. Yo! What up, buddy? What up, dog? Good to see you brother. - [Hit-Boy] For sure. What's the deal? - The one time I was really scared, Johnny, I dunno if you remember this, you came to San Antonio. And I think it was 2014 for the Heat finals. And it was like, and Johnny had this thing, we should talk about this. It was really bad when he went home. You know how everybody like, "Home is heart." Like, when you got some money. - [PR] Like, home to Texas? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - [Maverick] If he went to the state of Texas- - [PR] You already knew. - [GloRilla] Hey, y'all. - Hello, hello. - What's up, mama? - How are you? - Welcome. - [GloRilla] Hey. - How are you? - I be giving people hugs and ****. I don't do no shaking hands. - Hey, Glo. - Hey! - What's up? - [Maverick] Yeah, Glo. - [GloRilla] What's up y'all? - [Maverick] Yeah, Glo. - You feel me? - Johnny, when he went home, we all got a version of this. Like, when he made money, if he would go to the state of Texas, the state of Texas might as well have been a black hole. He would go in and there's no telling. And you know this, you could have... Vegas was another black hole but you didn't go as much. But if you went to Texas it was like "That thing he's gotta do on a week..." I forget- - [Johnny] I do wanna- - You know what I'm talking about right? - [PR] Of course, you're absolutely right. - Ask anybody. - When he went to Cleveland, he brought a lot of fun to the city too, right? Like, if we're being honest. - [PR] He said you were there for it? - I had a great time when Johnny was in the city. (Maverick laughs) I definitely was looking some nights like, "But how are you gonna win this next game though?" - And then we have Bron coming back to the city. - Forget winning. How is he gonna get to the facility? - Yeah, exactly. Exactly. - I do wanna, you mentioned Vegas, there's been a lot of chatter about the Vegas thing. I know what I know from watching TV Johnny and Maverick on that Vegas trip and in some interviews of like, you ended up in Vegas and there's the talk of whether there was a disguise or not. - He was on injured reserve. - Mav didn't have much of a say in this whole part. - That's what I want to get to. Was there a conversation about Vegas, the trip? - No, no. Absolutely not. - No, but I have the photo. I still have the photo. - [Johnny] Yeah, of course. - Yes. - Of course. There was no conversation, nothing. - "You're going." That's it? - It was week, probably, 16 of the season. I had been diagnosed with like, a concussion. And back to back years in Cleveland, I didn't play in week 17 because of injury. So, the first year when I was in Cleveland, and I get hurt, and the last game of the season happens, we played Baltimore. And they shamed me so hard for not being able to play in that game. They didn't even let me come on the sideline for the last game of the season. I had to sit and watch the whole game in the locker room. And this was the first point where I was like, "Mike Pettine, **** you." And when it happened the next year I'm like, "I'm not sitting in that locker room again for week 17 of the season." And I really, really genuinely thought that I was gonna make it back in time. (PR laughs) - But he only had like, 20 hours. He thought he could get to Vegas. First off, forget getting back. You gotta get there and get back without being seen. - How do you find out he's in Vegas? How do you find out? And when? - First off, him going missing was a normal thing. - He's not picking up your phone? - Nobody. - Okay. - The next thing is like, NFL report is like, "Johnny Football was in Vegas. And he was possibly there in a disguise." Your disguise was not even that good by way. - [MGK] Sick. Sick. - [Maverick] I'll show you guys it after this oh my phone. And then like a couple days later he came clean. But I don't know, who did you send the, did you send me the picture? - I probably sent that to EB or somebody. - You sent it to EB and EB called me, his agent. Like, I picked you the phone and he's like, "This mother******!" I was like, "Oh, I already know." He's like, "I'm sending you the picture now. Look at your texts." I look at the text. It's a picture of him with the worst like, white-man-from-sales-in-every-company bowl blonde wig on. - [MGK] Oh, you had the nerve to put a wig on? Oh, no! - No, no! It's a full disguise. Glasses, a wig... - And a mustache. - And a mustache! (laughs) - Now, what I never understood, was it like a joke 'cause you're on a bender? Or you really thought no one was gonna recognize you? - I was sitting down at the table and this is something that everybody here can probably relate to, is like, when you're coming up in like, a life of like, starting to get like, famous a little bit, and people are starting to know you. Like, the first thing you kind of wanna do is like, hide and like, shutter away a little bit. And like, I'm sitting there, I'm playing blackjack, I'm having the time, minding my business. And then I look up from a hand and this guy's just looking me, you know? That eye contact, dead in the eye where he like, kinda, head goes sideways. And he knows, I know that he knows who I am. (PR and Maverick laugh) So that immediately starts like, the rabbit hole of your own brain going down this path of like, "****." Like, "This gonna be on Twitter." Like, "The cat is out of the bag." - [Maverick] Yes. - "But I'm already here. It's midnight there ain't no flights back to Cleveland." Like, "We may as well try and make this work." So I went to a wig shop off the strip and did what I could. - Had you done disguise before, or that was your first time? - Never, never. I was a complete rookie in the disguise department. - Word, word, word. Yeah. - Well I wanna ask like, in doing like, research, you're one of the most like, documented athletes. For better or worse. I forgot that you were red-shirted your first year at Texas A&M. And that first year you played, I think you almost had damn near 5,000 yards, like 4,600 or whatever, total yards. How's life changed? Like, from that first year to that second year? Your life changes just, instantly? - Yeah, instantly. I mean it, it changed like, gradually through the first season. Like, we played 10 games before we played Alabama. And really, like, the Alabama game that day, walking into the stadium as like, a good college quarterback. And then walking outta the stadium as like- - [PR] A legend. - a national like, phenomenon. - A legend. - And it's just like, one day changed my life forever in that sense. Like, I mean, I got a chance to sign with Mav. Like, you don't get to do that from Kerrville, Texas, where I'm from. Then that one day, like you get on Twitter, Twitter's very new at that point in time. Like, I remember LeBron following me on Twitter. I remember seeing that after that game and being like, " Damn, I made enough of an impact on TV that the person that's like, my biggest role model, I'm the biggest fan of this guy ever, is now following me in my life and what I'm doing?" I'm in my dorm room in college ******* lit. - [PR] Still a kid too, yeah. - I feel like I'm on top of the world. - Sure. - I mean, the one thing I can say, to your point of just like, the pressure and everything that happened. Like, Cleveland is a specific city that like, weighs their life on the players that are on their sports teams. And I could even say that from a place of regret that I had. 'Cause I had said things about LeBron when LeBron left and I always regretted that but I was so close to it because my friend's moms lost jobs. Like, you guys really are the economy of the city. You know what I mean? Like, even with my position, like, I wasn't bringing the money that the athletes are bringing until as of recent where I was able to bring $10 million into the city over a weekend or a course of two days, you know? When we brought our show there. Like, it's so much pressure that we put on the athletes that it almost is like, "What else do you get?" - Of course there's so much. Yeah, for sure. But Glo, can I ask you? 'Cause what he talked about is that, after he walked into a Alabama game as Johnny Manziel, he walked out a legend. Literally. - Johnny Football, yeah. - [GloRilla] Yeah. - Like, what was that moment for you? 'Cause your career, you've been around, I was reading, since 2019. I didn't know that. To me it felt like it was like, "Oh, ****." Just like this wave. And I even felt a little bit like, "What the **** have I been doing? How did I not know?" (GloRilla laughs) Was there a moment for you? Or does it feel like it's been a gradual build? - See, I had been rapping since 2019 but I ain't blow up until 2022. And so, that was like, it's like right after I made my first song "F.N.F" it's like, that same week. It didn't take the song long to blow up. It blew up in like, three days. And so, I was just traveling the world like, two days after I dropped the song. 'Cause all the labels was calling me everywhere. GloRilla on blowing up and adjusting to fame And so, yeah, my life changed right after I dropped that song. - What is the thing you're still adjusting to with it right now? - I mean, I done adjusted for the most part. It's just like, now I'm adjusting to like, I know people don't be good people. Like, I'm a genuinely good person. Getting into this world now, that I'm in, I just see like, people intentions don't be good and a lot of people not genuine. That part be ******* me up because I'm such a genuine good person. So, that's what I gotta get used to knowing, that everybody intentions aren't good. - I think that's a tough thing that any of us go through like, in this spot. Like, when you get to a point to where you're like, famous, in a sense, where people want something from you. Everybody wants something from you. - Right. - And like, it really is hard to decipher. Like, I can't imagine how it would've been if I didn't have you guys in my life. Like, being in Cleveland, how many people approached me about doing X, Y, Z. And it's hard to find out who has good intentions and who doesn't. - For sure. 'Cause you new money, you just made money. This guy wanna sell you cars, this guy wants to be your jeweler, this guy wants to be all that **** and figure it out. What was that like for you, Hit? 'Cause people don't talk about this, but for producers, it's extremely difficult because you guys build these catalogs that become very valuable way later in life. - [Hit-Boy] Right. - It's a different thing than being like, an artist when you make a hit record and you make all this money now. Producer's catalogs actually get more valuable over time. - Right. - But people like, I read about, you went through that deal where you had a ****** deal at the beginning, that took a long time to get out of. - Yeah, it's crazy because I'm actually still in my publishing situation from- - How long? - From when- - Your original one? - I signed when I was 19 years old. - You're still in your original? - I'm about to be 37. Hit-Boy on future career freedom So, yeah, I've been the deal for a long time. Co-pub with Universal Publishing and Polow. And it's just the, you know, the way it was set up, it's just ancient terminology in the contracts and I just now, you know, thanks to like, Desiree and Jay-Z and people like that, that really like, kinda, got me to the place I'm in now where I have an end date. But before, my whole career, I was working. without having an actual end date to the way we really get our money, which is through publishing, you know what I mean? So, I'm like, you know, just a little bit more out. And that's gonna be like, life changing for me, you know what I mean? Just to even have freedom as a grown man, like, I haven't been able to go do other deals or go get advances in different places like my counterparts have. And just like, not to, I eat very well, but it's like, I know what it really supposed to be, you know what I mean? And it's just like, that's gonna be the day for me. - Your catalog is your biggest asset. Will you be able to go back and get all your rights from all that you've made in that field? - Yeah, for sure. For sure. I'ma get the revisions but it's gonna take some time. But as far as like, you know, I just want to really, just have that peace of mind and just be a grown person able to make my own decisions for the first time in the publishing world. - You said you said you're almost out of that too, huh? - [Hit-Boy] Yeah, almost. - It's been 20 years. - Still there. - Hey, take us back, how's that happened? They get a young eager artist? - Exactly. Yeah, I mean, I met Polow Da Don on MySpace and I seen him going crazy, doing all these big pop acts and really, just producing on that level that I was like, "Man, I wish to be this one day." You know what I mean? And 50,000 sounded good in 2007, you know what I mean? My pops always been, you know, in prison most of my life. My mom had me when she was 16, so like, I didn't have like, that financial. I never really had the **** I wanted. I always had what I needed, you know what I mean? Something to eat, place to stay, but I like, wanted more for myself. So, you know, just like, I took that opportunity and didn't know, didn't have the guidance, didn't have those figures around me to tell me like, "Nah, they got you locked in this for a long time." Like, you know, I would've never signed for 50 bands back then if that was the case. - That's crazy your first experience at 17 is dealing with that. And there's a lot of that in the music business too. - I mean, I had the same thing. - Did you really? - Yeah, like when signed, I think when I was 20, maybe? And then, kinda the same deal. Like, I trusted somebody. I spent most of my twenties, you know, high or like, on drugs. mgk on his early career and his mistakes dealing with money and the music business And just kind of like hungry. I never looked at my bank account once. - You just wanted to work? - I just wanted to work and I mean, mostly, I was here for respect, you know? Like, I grew up a battle rapper. So, that was, you know, my hunger was not for money, it was for... - To win the battle? - Yeah, of course. To be considered a great MC. - 100%. So, you know, as I grew older, you know, I started looking at my peers and I was like, "All right well, why do they have cars and houses? And I'm still sharing rentals?" And, you know, all these things that weren't adding up with the amount that of fame and records that I had sold. You know, it was 50 million sold, 60 million sold. All these things, and I was like, "But I don't have anything that's mine." And, you know, I ended up auditing myself and finding out all these millions of dollars were missing. And I found out some of it had, it's funny enough, some of it had went to start YBN. - Wow. So like, that's why Cordae and I are really close, you know? Because, you know, certain individuals had taken from me and started- - Was it a business person or a record label? - It was a business person. - Got it. - It was your account? - [MGK] Nah- - Glo wants names, Glo wants names. - I actually don't wanna put him on blast 'cause, respectfully, I'm kind of like, "I forgive you." And you know... - [Maverick] You moved on? - Ans I moved on. But to not see real money until you're 30 years old and to spend 10 years kind of like in the abyss of, you know, not having anything to claim as your own. And I guess I kind of grew up that way anyway. I was very nomadic, you know like, my dad was very depressed and he slept a lot in my life. And it was kinda like, "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory," when the grandpa had slept in the bed for so long. But I shared a bed with him, you know, in middle school. So a lot of his energy even just physically kind of just, goes into you, you know? It's not his fault, he was just depressed, you know? That was something that... Yeah, again like, my headphones became my best friend and that was where the hunger came from. Money never really mattered, I guess. And so that was why when I started, you know, getting it, I never really paid attention to it. And so, it was very easy to just be like, "Oh well, he's not even looking at this ****." Like... - Yeah, "He aint paying attention." - Yeah, for sure. And honestly, I'm grateful, because it did go to someone like, I love Cordae, you know? So, I'm glad that like, my money... (laughs) - (laughs) Funded his startup. - Yeah. - That's a great perspective, man. - For sure. - That's amazing, to have that perspective. - Yeah and I'm hearing all of them like, that's cool some more kids got to experience, you know? - And until you really look at it like on your own and like learn it yourself on how to deal with like the finances side of it, it's brutal. - Yeah. - Like, I kept myself, when I got to Cleveland and I started to get money and Matt was going out and working these deals for me. Like, I wanted to make it the same way as when I was in college and I got like a stipend check every month. So I only had my people like, give me certain amount of money every month so I couldn't get in trouble with it. Well, at the end of the day when I wanted to do whatever the **** I wanted to do like, I still spent it anyway, type of thing. - Look man, you provided some great times. (all laugh) - Your money went to great times. - Enjoyed some of those nights bro, that was awesome. - For sure. Hit, speaking of dads. Obviously, you said, we all know Big-Hit. Does he go like, Mav, Hit-Boy and mgk on relationships with their dads "Wow, son, I'm so proud of you." How does he- - Man, nah, nah, nah. I mean- - Just one thing. Before you even go there, before Hit even goes there. I mean, it also goes back to like, he did "NIP". Like, I remember being in paris when they performed at 22. So, you've been doing this for, you know, decades now. Like, its insane. - Got Nas' first Grammy. - Wow, crazy. - Jay-Z's only diamond record. - Crazy. - And- - [Hit-Boy] I don't know how that happened. - He's number, huh? - I don't know how that happened. (laughs) And the number one record of "Texas Hold Em'" for B. Like, you've done some amazing things. Does he say, "I'm proud of you?" - I mean he's just so street like, I know he is. - Talk about this all the time. - But like, that he just got this exterior that's just like gangster all the time. - My dad too. - My Dad will say it to you that he's proud of me but never to me. - It's just like something- - Crazy. But that might come though, 'cause my dad passed and that was the second to last thing he said to me. - Really? - He held my hand and he didn't have much strength at all. - He had never said it to you before? - It wasn't his thing. Like, he was kind of, I wouldn't say institutionalized, he was like, generationalized. He just like, didn't understand rap music. He didn't understand rock music. He really wanted me to have a traditional- - Job. - Life. - So the second to last the last thing he said was, "I'm proud of you." Which had to be massive for you. - Yes. - What was the last thing he said to you? - This was when he was already kind of like, crossing over. And he just, he thought I wasn't real. He thought I was an angel. And I was like, "No, Dad, it's really me." Like, "I'm here." And he was like, "No, you aren't." And then he just looks up at the sky and he goes, "What a trip." - Wow. - And then, that was the... - Wow. - Wow. - [Maverick] That's pretty incredible. (rhythmic hip hop music) - I think one of the most beautiful things outside of even the music you've created and the soundtrack you've created is, seeing you and your son and your son and his grand pops. Right? So, I think even some of the social stuff of like in the studio with Nas and you son's there. It's gotta trip you out a little bit to see your pops and your son together. - For sure because like, you know, I can't say I remember exactly being his age, but just like, when I was my son age, that's when my dad got locked up. So I missed them years. So, it's just wild how when I see them playing I'm like, "Damn, that's how we would have been if he was around them days." You know what I mean? - Ans have you and him talked about; he's using this time with his grandson to catch up on what he missed with his own son? - Nah, for sure. Yeah, we think about it, talk about it, and done interviews about it, for sure. Like, everything we do, like, it's just like reprogramming him, you know what I mean? Like, the first day he got out, I just remember waking up that next morning like seven in the morning and he's just like, busting into these stories and it just felt like he still thought he was on the yard. Like, thought I was another ***** in jail with him. And he just talking about wild ****, I don't wanna say. - What was he saying? No, go ahead, say it! - He talking' about some craziness though. - No, its a show, what was he saying? We can imagine. - Nah bro. Just like, you know, scrapping with ****** in prison and you know, getting stabbed up and just wild ****. I'm just like, "This **** is a mind ****." Like, you know? - That's what's called "institutionalized". - For sure. For sure. - The good thing is, some people actually feel more comfortable. - Yeah. - Back in jail. Like, they not comfortable in the street, they been locked up for so long. He was part of the inspiration in your career too, right? Your life. - It is, for sure. - And I know part of it is like, obviously, I'm a huge Nas fan, I'm a huge Hit fan, to see y'all work over those. My favorite by the way is, it's funny, my favorite is the first one y'all did "King's Disease" and then "Magic Three". I love those. - The start and the finish. - It's weird I like a lot in between. - That's what's up. And then you got to work with your dad? - [Hit-Boy] Yeah. - He went to jail when you were five and he just got out, right? - He went to prison when I was three and didn't get out til I was about to be outta high school. And then basically, just like only spent a couple years out on the streets since then. You know what I mean? This last run was probably the longest time he actually was locked in. 'Cause the other times he would still be running the streets and doing what he do. Just what he was programmed to do. And this time I've been keeping him like this. We had interviews, sessions, he helping with my grandson, I mean with his grandson. With my son, you know what I mean? And just like we really taking it there like, bro, we was out at the Super Bowl out in Vegas. And just like, everybody just coming up to us like, "Yo, man." Now they starting to recognize me through him. They'll see him and be like, you know what I mean? "I found out about your son through your story." You know what I mean? Which is crazy 'cause I done been a part of some huge records. But now it's like, you know, it's a whole new door. - I gotta ask you, what was your reaction when you and the stew and you hear your pop say, "I'll bang on my son." In that verse. - I mean, he really right. - Hey, that freestyle. Like, we just went at each other. So, I'm like, it's real we really done banged on each other. So, it is what it is. - That fool said, " I look in the mirror and I bang on myself." (MGK and Maverick laugh) - That's really him, man. Like, it ain't no act. - [PR] It's beautiful to see, man. - That's just Pops, for sure. - I think that's one of the dopest things I've seen today is you like, walking in with your son. Getting a chance to like, bring him around and stuff. It's dope. - For sure. I mean, as a kid that's lit. I'm pretty much a full time dad at this point. Like he at interviews, sessions. - Sick. - Out of the six Nas albums, he was there for so many of them sessions, man. You know, he done made his own song now. He only four years old, he already made his own joint. - I wanna meet Big-Hit one day. - For sure, for sure. - Tell him I'm a fan. We gotta let Hit go, by the way. - [Hit-Boy] Man, respect. - [Maverick] Appreciate you. - [Hit-Boy] Appreciate y'all. - [Maverick] Tell Big hit I said, "What's up." - [Hit-Boy] Yup. - [Maverick] For sure, I look forward to meeting him. - Appreciate you. - [Maverick] Glo, by the way, while we was talking about family and... - [PR] Always. - For sure, for sure. - [MGK] All right. - [Maverick] Thank you, Hit. - Good to see you. - For sure. - Yup. - Coming to the studio and get me some hit records from you two. - [Hit-Boy] Nah, for sure. - [GloRilla] I'ma need them joints too, Hit. - Glo said she want on of them joints too. - [Hit-Boy] My man, come on, we been overdue. - [GloRilla] You know what's up? - [MGK] What's you rap name? Big Mav? - I don't know, what would be my rap... I don't know. - [MGK] Mav Star. - Yeah. - Colonel Carter. - Colonel Carter's crazy. That's hard. - I wanna ask you Glo, in doing research on you, I can count on hand the times I've like, checked our research team, and been like, "Can this be right?" You're wearing it on your chest, your middle name. - Oh, yeah. (laughs) - Hallelujah. And I'm like, "Is that really her middle name?" And they're like, "Yeah that's really her name." But it comes from your family. You come from a very religious family. - Yes. - You weren't allowed to listen to any secular music, right? GloRilla on growing up in a religious family Growing up? - Okay, so, not on the radio. Like, my mama older so like, I got older parents. Like, my dad is 73, my mama's 60. So, my parents always was in they forties and fifties while I was growing up. So, I always, they always listened to Anita Baker, you know them type. But we did watch like "106 & Park". Like, I knew who people was but once we got in the car, we not listening to no hip-hop station or nothing. They finna play straight 95.7 Hallelujah FM. Like, only gospel music. But, I did know the music but I just didn't know too much about it, you know what I'm saying? When I first started rapping, the first song I ever did before I let my daddy hear it, I was talking crazy. My daddy was like, "What the **** is you talking' about?" (all laugh) What the ****- - Wait you played it for him? - Uh-huh. My daddy was the lesser strict parent, like, you know what I'm saying? So, I didn't feel ashamed to let him hear my music. But my mama, I was so scared, like, I didn't tell her I was rapping or nothing. Like, I was like, two years in and didn't tell her. Like, she had no idea I was rapping but my daddy knew. But my sister had end up... I was at my apartment cooking one day and my mama called me. She was like, "So, you do music?" I was like, "How you know?" (all laugh) And so she was like, "Your sister told me" She said, "I heard your music is good." I thought she was gonna like have a lot to say because if y'all hear my music, y'all know like, I talk crazy. I be talking crazy in my songs. So, I was like so embarrassed. But she was like, "It's good!" And so- - Wow. Yeah that's how that came about, letting my parents know about it. - And what do they say now? - They super proud of me. They text me every day and I always tell me- - [Maverick] Hello. - Hey, y'all. - Hey! - How are you? - [Maverick] Welcome to the shop. - Thank you, thank you. - [MGK] You look amazing, Alycia. - [Alycia] Thank you. - Hey! How are you? - Good. - The bomb, the bomb's in the shop. - The bomb, the one and only. - What's up, mama? - How are you? - How are you? - [Johnny] Good to see you. - [Alycia] Go to see you, yes. - So how do they feel, 'cause now you pay a lot of they bills, right? - Yeah, I pay they bills. - You pay they bills! - So that rap music that they don't like. (MGK laughs) - [GloRilla] Right, exactly! - When's your next album? When's your next song, baby? Yeah. - Right. - When's your next album exactly? - Speaking of family. Alycia. - Yes? Your grandmother taught you how to box? Did I make that up? - [Alycia] No, so I- - You come from a boxing family? - Yeah, yeah. I have a big boxing family, yup. But my grandma, she was a warrior. Alycia on her family boxing history and her grandma So I get my confidence in just, her way of life and just what that looks like. Just being a dominant, confident woman in every room, in every aspect. And that's why I do what I do. I love to fight. Right? And so, when you step in that ring, you gotta know who you are, for one. And you really gotta believe in yourself because- - Have you loved to fight since a kid? - I think I was just competitive. Whatever sport it was. - Did you get into a lot of like street fights? - That's what I was just about to ask. - So, no, like very non-confrontational. 'Cause nobody messed with me. They were all intimidated. They're like, "I'm not messing with her." But I'm like super sweet, but like, you know, press them buttons, you know, something gon' happen. - What made you know that's what you love? - I think it's because, again, I just wanted to test myself. It was more like, my dad was like, "You wanna box?" I was like, "Sure, I'll box." You know? It's all boys. And I just think it just built this confidence and like I said, just being the woman I am today; I can protect myself. I can help other women. And it just, again, builds that confidence. So I'm like, "Well I'ma try it." And I was great at it. So I'm beating the boys. (maverick and GloRilla laugh) I'm beating 'em on the mat, in the ring. I'm like, "Oh, I love this." But I was still so humble that you know, they just left me alone. So I think it's like, the best disguise I'll say that. - Can you ever get comfortable with taking a hit? Like, I played football, you, I never was comfortable with, I never liked getting hit. Do you walk in the ring like, "Oh, I'm cool. If I get punched in the face, It's just what it is." - You know, it sounds crazy but I like, low key like it. (Johnny clicks teeth) Ans like- - You were like that? - Loved it. - It's just like, "Oh, okay. Bet." Like, but I'm not gonna go in there just to get hit. - Of course not. - But like, if it happens, I'm like, "Okay, bet." Like, it just, I don't know. Plus your adrenaline is pumping in there. - Does it like free you up a little bit of times after you get hit one time? - It does. - Like during the first kinda... So like, in a game when I would have to call a run play or Cliff Kingsbury would call a run play at the start of a game every time so somebody could hit me. And then after that my nerves went from like, ten to zero. Like immediately a automatically. There's something about that first time if you're comfortable with it. She already knows, when you step in the ring like that. Like, there's a chance you can get caught with one. Like, same way, if you're not paying attention in the pocket, these guys are coming after you to take your head off and you may get caught with one. - Can you imagine in what we do? You step into the boardroom and you gotta get punched in your face just to calm down for your big presentation. I know exactly what he's saying 'cause you get nervous before every- - You have to know your distance, that's another thing. You know, boxing is strategy, when you're in there. So, again, a fighter that I fought, she was taller than me. So now, I'm trying to see what my range is because she a little longer. Okay, now I gotta cut the distance and come in a little shorter so I can hit her with this body shot she don't see coming. You know what I mean? - Yeah. - So, it's just those things but, I love it. It's fun, you know? The hard part's the training part. But when you're in there, it is fun. You know, you got the crowd, it's loud. - Do you hear the crowd in the ring? - I do. I hear like, bits and pieces of certain people. But, for the most part I'm really like locked in and zoned in. But it's certain voices that I can hear. - Your trainers voice you're obviously... - Yeah, my trainer. It could be somebody in the crowd like "Knock that ***** out!" I'm like, "Bet!" - [PR] "Got you!" "Heard you!" "Heard you!" - Like, "I hear you!" (laughs) - I wanted to go back to the topic that you were talking about. Some one stealing from you, I was thinking "I steal from myself." Sometimes I look at my own, I audit myself, I'm like, "Who spent that 50,000? They're like, "You, you booked it." I'm like "Oh, ****, I guess I did." (laughs) There's nobody else to blame. But, I'm like, now at my age, I'm 42, I have kids, whatever. It's like, I sometimes go like, "Well, money is to buy things Mav, mgk, GloRilla and Johnny on spending and navigating money and to get things you need and to buy things you want and experiences." But, I guess you can run out of things you want. - I like buying conversation piece things. - [Maverick] That's a good point. 'Cause you learn about people. Yes. And also that like, memory seems like it's more valuable than currency. - [Maverick] 100%. - So, when you can show like, I was at a bookstore one time. I was in Santorini and I said, "What rare books do you have?" And he said, "I have a pencil signed Picasso piece." Like it's a book. George Macy from Macy's used to have like an underground book club or like, he sent books to 1200 friends, right? And like he would have the most popular artists of that time redesign a classic story. So like, you know, Dali would do like, "Peter Pan" or whatever. And I'm not saying that's what he did, the one that I had bought was a Greek story. And it was illustrated by Picasso and he signed it in pencil and it was 35 grand. And I was like, "I'll take it." And that's 35 grand, so it's a lot of money, but like- - **** load. Everybody that comes in my house- - Is like, "Tell me about this." - 100%. Like, there's a... And you could take an eraser and erase this Picasso signature just like that. And so, you know, even down to like, the wallpaper in my house, it's ridiculous. It's like a pink leopard sphinx all over, you know? Like, but, it's conversation pieces and it's memories. - [Maverick] They make memories. - I like spending money on something a little bit more than just like, the- - 'Cause in the end, that's all you have. - It's got meaning to that. It's, I guess, such a deeper meaning than just like, going out and buying something that's accessible to other people, right? Going and buying that watch or that car or whatever it is. That's like, it's a different thing. - It's like what, what he did in the city. That's what I'm saying. He provided these nights that we walked away with and we were like, "Bro, Johnny Football was in there. He bought the whole bar out for everybody. It was crazy." You know, like, and I'm 26 or something when he was doing it. It's like, provided a memory for everybody. - Which you still you still feel? - 100% - Glo, were you on that cycle of like, as you said, 2022 just got popping, you had just dropped the song. Like, making money, about to make a lot more. And that whole pendulum of like, what makes you happy and what is money planned? That is always a difficult thing to navigate. Were you on that? - Well, of course. People always say money cant by happiness. ****. (all laugh) But me, like, I'm still cheap as ****. Like, I still like, look at a bottled water and if it's $4, I be like, "What the ****? Hell nah! Gimme the $2 bottle." Like, I'm cheap as hell. Like, and I ain't gonna lie, like my first year I blew up, this was before I got an accountant. I was just spending money like, and I'm like, "Okay, I'm getting it. I'm making it but I'm spending it too." So like, I really wasn't just in tune like how you was saying, like, you wasn't just looking at it like that. And so, Gotti had got me an accountant and stuff. And so like, now, he help me like, navigate my money more. And so, now, once I actually see that I'm spending it, I ain't gon' lie, sometimes I be spending a lot of money. I don't even wanna look at my bank account 'cause I just know I spent too much money. - Welcome to the club. (Glo laughs) I don't look at it all the time. I never look at it. I swear to God, I be like, "I know I just went ham this whole weekend. I ain't even finna look at my bank account and disappoint myself!" Like I know- - What do you say when you get the thing? You gotta do what? - [Maverick] More. - You gotta just make more money. - Just gotta make more. That's the only option. - That be the mentality, "I'ma get it right back." But, it kills me. Like, I don't even look at what I just did to my bank account Friday. Like, I know I ****** it up. (laughs) - By the way, Machine Gun Kelly, I could listen to your stuff and be like, "Oh, he's obviously a talented rapper, but that's not my style." So I like, wrote you off in this, "I can't be a fan 'cause I'm not a wild dude." Everybody who knows me know I'm calm. I mean it's so, like, that's not my style. But then when I started studying you as a person and got to know you much later, I'm like, "Oh, this is that..." And listening to you just now like, "Oh, I like things that are memories." Like, "Oh." I'm like, "No, you and I are just, literally the same type of person." But, I know. Was there a moment for you where you were like, "Oh, this character that I've created, I now need to be just me and MGK?" - Absolutely. - Did something happen or was it just over time? - Well, one, I got on, like, you know... I have so much I envy Glo, mgk on his growth as an artist 'cause she came out with "F.N.F" and it just seemed like she was herself already. Like, that felt like, she's standing on that, right? Like, I grew up in front of the cameras very young, 18, 19, 20. Me, Whiz Khalifa and Soulja Boy I believe, were the first rappers to ever start like YouTube vlogs. Like, we were the first ones ever doing that. And you know, you put videos of you up at 18, 19, 20, like, you're an idiot. - Of course. - You know, like... (GloRilla laughs) - [Maverick] It's gonna be a bunch of dumb ****. - Oh, 100%. And you know, and then growing up in front of cameras from 20 to all this stuff. I had no parents. You know, my idols are like, I mean, you know. - Of course. - Lil Wayne, Motley Crue, whoever, I don't know. Name it. Like, these are people that you're like, "All right, I gotta be like this." Dude I'm like, a dork. I'm like a... You know, I'm like a kid who like, doesn't know anything. I'm just like a lost boy trying to find something to belong to, you know? And music was always that for me. And so, you wrote me off at a stage. But then I grew. And then, maybe some people found me at that stage, or maybe some people wrote me off then. There's an album called "Hotel Diablo." And it came right after like a very infamous beef I had. It's my most proud album I had. And and it did really well as well. But it was written off, like, no critics would review it. It was kind of like, people had a bad taste in their mouth so they're like, "Nah." But if you listen to my voice, my voice is even different. And I learned, when I was in a studio session with Pharrell, this was recently, but I learned like, you know, your voice reflects like, where you are in life. Like my voice, my wild boy was very constricted. It didn't, it was like an affect I had. Now my voice is pure, it sounds like who I am, you know? It's like, it's grounded. It's in itself. - And Pharrell taught you that? He was- - I mean he, I noticed it when I hear those albums. I listen to "Hotel Diablo" and I'm like, "Damn." Like I'm a fan of that album. I love that album. And then when Pharrell sang, like, 'cause I couldn't hit a falsetto. We were trying to do a song. I couldn't hit a falsetto. And you know, he was just like, "The more truth you bring into your body, the less you constrict yourself." - Constricted? - Yes. I am in an interesting position of now trying to gain people back who I might have lost because you know, MGK is a very famous name and face. But like, ultimately, why I got in the game is the respect. I don't wanna to lose anybody. I want everybody to be like, "Bro can rap his *** off. He makes great songs." Exactly. Something he said I wanted to talk to you about was like, people writing you off. You obviously had the WBC ib yours. WBC, well, you're now working with them fighting for athletes, right? But you had the issue, I think Canelo went through it. - A false positive. - False positive - Right. - of like, testing for something that was banned, that was false. Do you think people wrote you off when that happened? And how's it been going through that? - I think that was part of it, Alycia addresses false positive and being written off but I feel like I've been written off. You know what I mean? I think because what I offer and what I bring to the sport is different. And they wanna know why, "Why are you this good? Why are you able to do one, two and three? Be able to talk, be able to fight, be able to look good doing it." All these things, you know? When people are invested in those things, they're trying to nitpick what they can do to take you down, in a sense. You know what I mean? I feel like at the biggest stage in my career, you know, I'm hit with this scandal of this false positive and I'm like, "Yo, this is wild." So, I would say that period of nine months, you know, boxing has no union. I'm doing this all by myself. - How did you find out? Tell us how that false positive happened and who called you and... - Yeah, so, you know, I had my homecoming fight in July in Detroit. Awesome show, sold out show, it was amazing. We'd been waiting for that moment for a long time. And you know, we... What was it, July, August? I got a phone call, my manager called me, he's in London. You know, we're in negotiation stage, at this point. We've been in negotiations with resigning for four months. You know? Just, backstory. That's what that is. And, you know, I get a phone call, and it's crazy because how I look, how I've always looked, I have a natural build. This is how I've always looked as a 4-year-old with- (Maverick laughs) Swear, with muscles. - You was one of those little strong kids. You ever seen those little strong *** kids? - Strong kids, on the playground, you know what I'm saying? It was just not your norm. You know what I mean? So, you know, as an adult, you know, I get this phone call and they're like, "Yeah, you tested positive for steroids." I'm like, "Is this a ******* joke? I know this is a joke." My heart just sank because, I'm like, "Wow." Like, something that I knew could potentially happen just because of how I looked. I was already prejudged. You know what I'm saying? And I'm an athlete of integrity. I never had to cheat in my life. I'm great at what I do. I'm blessed at what I do. So, again, when you're great at something, people wanna, they wanna take you down. So, you know, whatever. I get the phone call, so I'm like, "Dang." You know? "Now this about to be out in the news." And I had to get my own lawyers, I had to get experts. I did the whole nine and spent my own money on this thing. Again, boxing doesn't have a union. And when you're a woman in the sport, you know how women's sports are already. And in the boxing game, it's even worse. We're not treated with equality when it comes to pay. And just the respect of what I do. I train just as hard as these men; as my male counterparts. Like, I'm blessed to have them to work with. But it's like, let's put some respect on the real issue. You know what I'm saying? We are both going in that ring, risking our lives, you know? With eight ounce gloves on, no headgear. You know what I'm saying? For y'all entertainment. You know what I mean? These things happen in sports, you know what I'm saying? False positives happen. You know what I'm saying? So, we need to make sure that this doesn't happen again. That we're doing proper testing. What company's testing you? What precautions are you taking? - Did they give you an explanation what happened? Did they contaminate it, or? - No. No, no. I mean, like, I had to do that. - Did you feel any sort of indication when WBC came out and said, "Hey, it could have been a false positive?" - Yeah, absolutely. 'Cause I was able to talk to them. So, what's great about the WBC is that we have a great relationship. And I explained to them, they were able to hear me out, they were able to look at the evidence that I provided to the sanctioning body stating that I have always been a clean athlete. That I represent clean athletes and a clean program. Because again, I'm a advocate. There's young girls and kids looking up to me and representation matters. And I wanna make sure that this doesn't happen again. And that athletes are taking pre precautions when it comes to testing. Testing does need to happen. I'm all for that. But we also need to look at the bigger counterparts on, "What testing companies are we using?" And things like that. And athletes doing, maybe, testing on the side. - [Maverick] For sure. - 'Cause this shouldn't happen. - Like, it just shouldn't. - Should not. When you listen to that story, it's like **** can happen in blink of an eye. Or like, something changes. - Man. - Totally out of your control ******* control. Like, Glo, do you ever think about that now? Because, obviously, everything seemed to happen to you so fast. Do you ever get nervous, like? - Yeah, I be super cautious. And then I got a great team like Gotti. I'm actually glad I signed him. I feel like that's one of the best decisions I made right now because like, he always got a eye out for everything. Gotti, like, he a hood *****. He from the hood, but he like, got a lot of sense. Like, he's super smart and so I'm glad I got him and my team as the engine behind me. Like, they always tell me what not to do. Like, you know, sometimes I might get carried away and be like, "Nah, **** that, I'ma do this." But they always telling me right. Like if I do something wrong, it be because, you know, my ego sometimes. But for the most part they keep me on point. You know what I'm saying? And I'm always looking out too, like, I ain't just no crash dummy, so. I be looking out. - And what's like, one time where they was telling you to do this and you was like, "**** it, I'ma do this." And then you came back and was like, "Actually they were right." - To get off the internet and I stayed on. (all laugh) - That sound like me like, "Get off Twitter." - [GloRilla] They said, "Don't get on Twitter." - "Stop tweeting." - They said, "Do not get on there." Like, Gotti's texting me, "Do not." And I did it for like 5 minutes, I said, "**** that." - I gotta (indistinct) on there. (laughs) - You can never win on Twitter. - You can't. - You can never win, they're too good. - No, seriously! - You can never win. (Johnny and PR laugh) - But the day LeBron was dropping your **** you definitely got on that day, 'cause everybody's seen that ****. - Oh, you know like, it was so crazy to me. I thought it was fake. - Really? - Yeah, I thought it was fake. I thought maybe it was somebody like, I ain't gonna lie, I thought somebody called him and told him to do it or something. 'Cause I didn't think he was doing it. 'Cause like I said, LeBron don't be doing it to everybody music. So I'm like, "Ah!" Like, I was geeked. - That's like a universal feeling, when you have LeBron like, do something for you though. Like, I remember when we did the tease with Nike and then you sent me a picture of him in the Money Man's LT and I was like, "You photoshopped that ****." (all laugh) That's not like real life. I think that's like, the LeBron effect of the whole thing. - But he with **** with the **** he **** with. He don't... His mom's name is Glo too. I didn't even ask him about it. I just seen it. - Oh, for real? - Yeah. - Oh, yeah I did hear his moms name is Gloria. - Did you know that? His moms name is Gloria. Like yours, for sure. And you just got invited to the White House, by the way, right? - Yeah. So **** is, everything is happening for Glo. (GloRilla laughs) Everything is happening. She's been invited to- - Hell yeah. GloRilla on White House invitation - the White House. - You know, being a girl from Memphis, you know, that ain't really never happened before. So, I just feel super blessed and I feel like God is just shining his light on me. I feel hella famous because everybody don't get invited to the White House. - Of course. - And like I said, coming from where I come from, and then even in my profession, like, just being like, you know, a girl from Memphis. You know, from the ghetto and being able to be invited to the White House. Like, that was everything to me. - Well, I don't know if you caught there was an incredible quote that came outta that visit. (Glo laughs) That set Twitter on fire, we talked about Twitter. And it was, "At the end of the day- - The day gotta end." (all laugh) - And with that- - I aint lie! - That's a wrap. Thank you guys. (all clap) I had a version of that relationship with my dad. It was like I became the dad and he became the son. - Like, he would text me about the most basic thing. And I'm just like, "Bruh like, nah, that's not really how it work." You know what I mean? I'll be having to put him on artists. - Like what? - When he got out, he ain't know who Lil Uzi was. Like, I said a bar in a song and he was like, "Why you call my Uzi little?" I was like, "Nah, I'm talking about a rapper. His name is Lil Uzi." You know what I mean? Like, just stuff like that. (relaxed hip-hop music) (music continues)