Johnny Manziel Talks Education, Football, and Life After the NFL (#17)

Introduction and Johnny Manziel Introduction welcome to another episode of on the subject I'm your host Michael vardo co-founder and CEO of subject and today we have an incredible guest I'm so lucky and inspired this is someone who when I was growing up as a child one of my childhood Heroes and so it's an extremely momentous inspirational podcast we have for you today we have a Heisman Trophy winner first round NFL draft pick Texas A&M Legend and aspiring scholar hence why he's on the educational Pockets day Johnny Manzel AKA Johnny Football welcome to the podcast today appreciate it thanks a bunch for having us so we're really excited because we love when athletes have a opinion on education and so I was a college athlete not nearly as good as you but I do believe we're pretty close in age you're December 92 correct yeah so I'm September 92 so we were actually in college at the same time and so again really love watching your games I played baseball at upen and then one year at Purdue tried to get drafted failed uh but really love being able to watch you on Saturdays do you think with football Johnny Manziel's College Experience going to Texas a. such a great School that it affected your education for the better or worse I think it probably affected my education for the better um Texas S&M is a great Academic School um I went there with a lot of like you know hope and promise about you you never know if football is going to work out or not you you really don't you don't know if you're going to get a chance to go play you don't know if you're end up transferring or all the things that come with college SPS but one of the big things about being able to pick Texas A&M that I really liked was no matter if I got a chance to play or if I didn't me and my family both felt like confident that you know coming out of there you're in a good position to be able to go on have a great education and go on and do what you want to do in the world so I think for me going to Texas A&M being there for the three years that I was you know education was at a um you know high high priority for everybody within our athletic department A&M did a great job of investing a lot of resources into their players because you know as you know it is um hard to be a student athlete and um and go to class and do all the things that you're doing so I think I got very lucky to go to a school like Texas andm to be able to have the resources and the and the you know you know education that I got from there oh absolutely and so I'm a big believer and you know I talk about a lot you know running this education company how important it is to go to a top 200 college and so there's about 4,000 colleges in the US and I always say if you can't go to a top 200 you might likely be better off going to Community College trade school direct into the workforce do you know how high A&M is ranked on the US I do not so A&M is 47th in the entire country unbelievably high The Impact of Fame on Education ranking you're a scholar of A&M it's higher than schools like Penn State tane George Washington incredibly rigorous academic situation but you became a star so quickly into your reder freshman year and from what I had done in my pre-read and research you were forced to take online classes pretty quickly was that by choice by necessity you know how did that affect your academic experience especially cuz your retr freshman I'm assuming you were more of a casual late personis being able to go to class and have that normal traditional experience yeah very much so I think my first you know year and a half that I was on campus I was very much you know uh a freshman coming into Texas A&M going through your normal curriculum and everything that you had to um when you first get on campus and then this football came to be such a you know Fame thing for me my regular experience for class really went out the window so um Texas A&M um helped me get to a point for a couple semesters there where I took you know maybe one class in person and then the rest that I would take online and I think for me it was just something that was dealing with Fame and people not allowing me to have the same college experience that everybody else was having and at the time um you know it was amazing for me um to be able just to wake up go to class at home um and pretty much I was at my house all day from the time you wake up at 8 or so in the morning until you know you have football practice at 2 or three in the afternoon so um it was definitely a change you know of getting to have to really be on yourself to do it on your own that's a real big thing that like comes into it now luckily being in the football program you have your learning assistance and all the things that you have that come with um being on academic scholarship at Texas A&M but you know the difference of going in and being around other students was definitely a big you know shift in in my time ATM well and so you talk about all the discipline involved with football and so I'm a big proponent that I believe uh Sports you know theater music I think that can actually shape a person's character and skill set even more than necessarily curriculum but it isn't always viewed that way and sometimes the world doesn't recognize how much goes into it can you talk about how many hours you were putting in while you're at A&M in terms of being a student athlete yeah I think your normal schedule for a student athlete pretty much is you know depending on what your football workouts or what Time of the Season it is I mean start at 78 in the morning morning for your first class you take normally um I believe it's like 12 hours through your through your semesters if you're on you know if you're a football player at A&M for the most part so you really have four classes a semester um and your days really range from 6:00 in the morning to probably six or 7 o'clock at night like a full day it's a full job by the time when I got to the NFL um you know to see that schedule and what it was they are really really um similar in like length and time that you put in throughout a week and I think you probably um you know have a more grueling workload um at times in college than you do at the yeah I talk about for myself that being a student athlete at pen was more timec consuming than being a CEO it truly was um you know getting an IV League degree and playing baseball and obviously not on the same level of power five like you were playing I got that chance for one year at Purdue um but it was definitely more drooling you have no time on the weekends to be able to get ahead it was so intense and so I'm I'm really appreciative the experience and so you know the college football college sports in general college football specially has changed so much especially over the last 10 years what you did for am's incredible gigum let's go uh let's go A&M um and I just really wanted to touch on you mentioned that you even consider leaving briefly to go play baseball um but thankfully you suck with it we got to get all the legendary highlights your heisen winner so cool do you think though if it was the transfer portal today and there wasn't as much The Transfer Portal and College Sports rigidness around it where hey you have to go sit out a year you might have ended up pulling the trigger and it could have you know completely derailed your storybook career yeah very much so I think you know after my first year year and a half I I graduated early so my time my congrats congratulations my time table is a little bit you know different on it but what you know getting there and getting to A&M and the way college sports were at the time is that year of sitting out was a full playing year that you normally would have if you were you know staying at the school you were at so I really think that you know if the portal or if it would have been open it would have definitely given me an opportunity to go you know speak to that's what the kids are doing now they're getting a chance to go in the portal it's not necessarily that they're leaving but they get a chance to go test their work that they have at other places and I think that's a big thing um you have a lot of people that recruit you whenever you're in high school and you commit to somebody and seeing them when they're recruiting you they're obviously going Toho about you being there they want you to come to your school and when you get to school you're very much thrown into the mix of the other 20 guys on a football team that are there so you don't get the time with this or that and you really have your position coach who you're talking to and that guy who recruited you you know may you may not have very much interaction with yep you know you could get recruited by a defensive line like a defensive line coach who recruits your area and then that's the guy you've known for two years that you're in college and then he's on the other side of the ball you may see him a couple things here but the guy that you've built a relationship with is no longer there so the transfer portal now gives guys the opportunity to go and um you know really test their worth a little bit so for me I think you know it was something that I would have maybe pursued uh because I was interested in playing football and baseball at the same time someone did not recruit you though correct um you were almost um thrown into a fresh situation and so you probably had to really stand out in the offseason practices and really earn that starting spot and sometimes you can even say and we'll touch on nil after this but in terms of the transport Al those rigidness as difficult as it can be was a good thing for your development because you had to be able to work through and show that adversity and be hey I'm fourth string but by the time season starts I'm first string and then I'm a Heisman winner like you really were able to climb the raid and your determination and dealing with Verity was tremendous yeah I think I got in a very you know whenever coach Sherman and our coaches before someone came in um you know you don't know how that transition is going to be luckily I had a guy by the name of Cliff kingsb who was Legend was unbelievable and a guy who had recruited me in high school he was like I'm at University of Houston I want to come watch you practice but I don't have a scholarship for you so I just have heard great things about you and I wanted to come out of my way to come watch you practice and then that guy walks into our building um you know a year and a half later and he's like I'm going to be your coach and you know I had sat and had a conversation with them a little bit about here's how I was feeling here's what I was thinking about and he just asked for you know some trust and what the system was that it fits me in the way that I play football and luckily I think more than anything in this you know goes for sports or it goes for education or anything that if you get a teacher or you get a coach or you get somebody who truly believes in who you are as a human being who you are as a person and sees something inside of you that they have the ability to pull out um it's amazing what it can do to change your life and what it can do to leave a lasting memory on somebody you know who sees something great in you maybe when you don't at that point in time yeah confidence is everything and they talk about how important is and nobody's going to be able to secure your confidence like a true Mentor a true coach a true teacher and um that was beautifully said did you believe when you were a sophomore junior at cville high that you were going to play at the top level of D1 like what was your recruitment process like were you a late bloomer you know how were you able to stand out and get you know I I think Recruitment and Early Career Decisions originally committed to Oregon and then end up Tex Sam two incredible programs how did you get those offers yeah I think for me kville is a sleepy Town 45 50 miles outside of San Antonio so you know coaches recruit and in the state of Texas it's usually you know Dallas Houston San Antonio and then you'll get some West Texas like you have some Austin you know but those are kind of like the five areas that are recruited if you start getting outside of those big cities unless you're a really big Powerhouse kind of a football program or something you don't get a ton of eyes um on you unless you're starting to do some really spectacular things so my recruiting process was very slow um sophomore year nothing junior year really getting into the tail end after football season maybe around that spring I remember being in a baseball practice um you know February March something of after my of my junior year and starting to get some offers smaller offers and I felt like I was playing really good football we were a great team going to a state semi-finals we were um you know in the mix as a team aspect and I was doing what I felt I needed to be doing um you know individually and didn't really start getting any offers until then and then they weren't anything that I was like super over the the Moon about I felt like I was better than um a better player than going to some of these smaller schools and then it really changed I came into the office one day my senior year at the very beginning year and had a full ride to Stanford wow had never talked to anybody never talked to a coach had just got your normal recruiting letters that you get and then one day A letter came in and it was a lot bigger than the other letters that I normally get and I opened it up and it was a full ride to Stanford and I remember thinking whenever that happened I was like okay well worst case scenario I'm going to get a chance to go to Stanford and whether football or not works out get one of the best educations that you can get you know in the world and after that you know got a couple pack schools Oregon ended up offering me as I went to go visit Stanford and Oregon kind of at the same time and then um Texas A&M didn't come in until really really late and I ended up committing to Oregon I wanted to play for Chip Kelly and love the you know uniforms the Nike connection they were really good going to a Rose Bowl every year and um I ended up committing there and then about three months later two months later I got an offer from an instate school which is what I wanted you know for my family to have to go to Eugene Oregon to get to from 2our drive from kville and then a 4H hour flight to Portland and then hop on another flight to Eugene it was just like you know I'm never going to see my family I'm going completely across the country and across the world from everything that I had known and when the Texas S&M offer came in you know it was easy for me to say hey I'm going three hours away now so you're a 17 18y old kid having to call up a coach decommit I actually went through something similar so I committed to Ohio State for hockey um and then it's not fun yeah it's the worst so yeah talk about like how much it beats through your chest I remember like my brother and I working through it trying to console like how do we deal with this like can you help me out he's my little brother too and I'm like please like I don't want to deal with this guy yelling at me on the phone and that stuff just it gives you a ton of anxiety uh but it does make you more of a man as a young person like how do you remember having did you call Chip or did you call the I remember walking in when I got a couple days after I got the A&M offer my head football coach Mark Smith was an amazing is an amazing man and he uh he could kind of sense with me that I was weighing on the option of having to do that and we had a conversation one morning and pretty much said all right if you want to go to Tex A&M we're going to pick up the phone right now we're going to call Chip Kelly and I remember looking at him being like no weird you can find out online yeah just email them let's go the time as being a kid when oh you don't want it you want to be away from Pain 17 years old you want no part of the controversy or anything I remember him standing over me like I can see it in my head as clear as his day of him being like we just pick up the phone we're going to call him I'll start out hand the phone to you and you just tell him what your decision is pretty much going to be and he didn't take it well uh I remember getting off the phone feeling absolutely dejected of the fact of having to do it and funny story you know three years later in 2014 I go to the NFL draft and the combine and and at the combine you do a set of interviews I had eight teams on my sheet person that interviewed me were the Philadelphia Eagles and CH Kelly yes and uh on the phone whenever I decommitted from him he said have fun playing for pretty much an inferior school for the most part Oregon's going to the Rose Bowl Texas A&M is going to probably not very good bowl games back then and um after winning Heisman I got a chance to go back in there and kind of Raz him a little bit me and Chip always seemed to have you know he he he he didn't take it too hard looking down the road they ended up having Mariota guy wins a Heisman he goes to the NFL like you know the the it all worked out for all parties involved so um you know we had a good laugh about that a couple years later I love that that's beautiful and you know hey all's well that ends well and it you made the right decision for you and you I always talk about young people in general like you know whether it's a company or what you know and I run a company so I'm super fball culture and such but the end of the day you don't work for the company you do work for your household you work for your family you know you owe it to yourself and your family to do what's best for you because no one else is looking out for you it's like when you're making decision around College you don't owe anything to someone who's like mid-40s who yes they want you to come there but at the end of the day you're just a number to them and you're just as valuable as how well you're playing and like obviously you played amazing so I'm sure uh the coach and you were really close and good friends but as soon as you start sucking they don't give they they don't care about you at all uh you're right to the Pine Pony you're right on the bench um and so there's a lot of pressure and like they always want to be able to extract all value out of you because at the end of the day that's their livelihood they're getting paid to win games they're not getting paid to make your life better they don't necessarily care about where your life's going they care about are you going to help me make more money get a better job and it's just important to ack knowledge of reality and I think that's great when people can be honest and just say like hey like we're in this together it's business relationship let's be more forward about it why do you think college sports is taking so long to get to that place where we say hey we're making a ton of money off you let's just be honest about it and let's open the pie together I think the money is gone extremely through the roof just over the last czy you know 20 years ago 15 years ago you didn't have you know TV rids and these deals and how many people are watching and everything like it has just got to a point where the money is so much that you can't help but like do something different about it the game and College athletics in itself is changing you know in 1970 the you know NCAA basketball tournament didn't make $2 billion no 24 it probably makes two or three billion do for a month of a month of basketball that money obviously gets distributed go places but then when it comes down to you know there have been individual players throughout years of college sports whether it's basketball football whatever I mean look at the rise of what Tim TBO did for unbelievable like look there are certain guys throughout the years that move the needle and bring a real like you know monetary value of what a college you know athlete brings to the table um my situation at Texas A&M you know there's Caitlyn Clark at Iowa this last year CR she's Inc crazy and I think once they figure out the little details of what's going on with college sports right now and the money and this as they just came out this week and pretty much said that you know they're pretty much looking at College athletes as almost employees now yeah every school or the power five they're going to have 20 mil um from the institution to spend what I'm interested to see is how do they negotiate that obviously like you would imagine the quarterback is going to get the most money but what about the star basketball player versus the number one you know pass option with the receiver running back chances are the football player most likely is helping generate more Revenue even than the star basketball player but the star basketball player might end up having an NBA career raise making 30 40 million a year you know how do you negotiate that I can't wait to watch you know I'm a huge college sports fan love being able to engage in that you're such a passionate Aggie fan and I love that about you you're so passionate you're one of the best alum in the game and you now have your own place money man's house correct yeah the money bar yeah shout out shout out this place I got to go it sounds amazing um what made you so passionate about getting back into the alumni space and being able to help A&M be able to get to the promised land you know they've had some really good years you obviously were the you know the storybook time what can we do to get them to the National Title yeah I think you know it takes for me just I want to see my school succeed in every way possible I got the chance you know when you're a kid and you're trying to go somewhere and you you go there and you have a career that's beyond what you could have ever imagined and you leave an imprint and a mark on that place that place is forever ingrained and instilled in me and I feel very thankful um for the opportunity to get a scholarship there for the opportunity to go to school there more so than just the football or you know to the NFL or whatever it was for me and I think um when I go back there and I get a chance to see how guys treat me uh players and you know students or whatever it is there's still a sense of connection um because they went through a lot of the same things that I did so for me going back and being around a place that I genuinely love and genely care about and feel like I have the ability to be able to help our school in the smallest of ways but whatever ways um go to where they want to go you know and that is to a national championship to a sec championship you know to being a successful Athletic program and I think for me that's something that I want to see um you know I think guys before me at Texas ANM want to see that for you know the players that come after them and it just kind of trickles down all the way you know we have a great Brotherhood of um you know former athletes there that you still keep in touch with still talk with and you know it's it's a cool um cool Brotherhood I mean it's an incredible program and you know uh let's bring it to baseball for a second you know runner up to the national champs incredible team and you know I talked previously about hey being straight up about the money or intentions the coach um obviously wish him the best but the day before the game kind of acts like he's not engaged with any talks and then he SC adles to Texas pretty interesting situation there I love the hire they made bringing the hitting coach and making him the head coach but you know that's exactly what I was kind of mentioning is like why can't people just be more straight up I think we all would have respected a lot more saying like hey you know I'm going to do what's best for my family and maybe a Dre dream job opportunity will come up and I might take it but he made it sound like he would have no intention of leaving I just thought that was really odd and interesting yeah it's tough I mean obviously for you know me watch that entire series their entire run to the College World Series um tough and to go to a rival down the street is obviously brutal um it is brutal but luckily you know the guys that are there and the guys who have got a chance to have that experience we had a young team we had a lot of star players that were um are going to be coming back culture can stay intact you know whether your head guy is not there or not you know so I think they've done a good job of putting um you know baseball program in the best place they could they have a lot of the tools there now you got to keep to me it seemed like a lot of the guys were happy you know they were happy with the guy they that they hired the the guy that we got there and you know you've seen it for years in college sports you've seen coaches dip and dive and Dodge and go wherever they want and and for them you know it's that easy you know they're going to have new players they're going to try and bring some guys they want now with the portal they can pretty much you know come into a new situation that already has a pre-established nil budget and you go and you do exactly what you were doing at the school before and it's it's uh it's a little snaky out there still it is I well and so what's cool little connection pen Tex so their third hitter this year the catcher Jackson appeal he was a pen guy he uh in the ivy league um wild rule but once you graduate you're ineligible you can't take graduate classes in St ivy league institution so the third hitter at A&M he played four years at Penn and he was Jackson appeal but now he won't be out of Eligibility and then the ivy league Player of the Year this year Wyatt Hensler third baseman at Penn he's going to A&M but there was a lot of drama there there saying like oh is he going to follow the guy to Texas he went in the portal briefly he visited Texas LSU and Vanderbilt I believe but he stayed loyal because the hidden coach got hired so shout out A&M love to see that let's bring it back to living in cities you've lived all over the country you've lived Life After Football in La briefly I believe you live in Scottdale now correct um you that's one thing that's really interesting about sports versus education and obviously the childhood dream of any athlete is to get drafted especially first round and it's so cool that you lived out your dream one of the challenging things about sports in my my opinion is they tell you where you have to live you don't get a choice at saying hey Johnny you're going to Cleveland or hey uh Zion you're going to New Orleans whereas as someone who's uh leveraging your degree you want to go live in New York City go ahead you want to live in LA go ahead you want to go live in London go ahead you want to quit your job go ahead do you think there's some type of interesting piece now the NBA has been a little different you know people like LeBron have really paved the way where now the players have a lot more power where they can sort of demand trades of sworts and kind of you know be able to dictate their terms but isn't that interesting when you think about Athletics where you're pretty much told like hey your whole day is controlled and you have to go live in certain city sometimes it can be really challenging for your heads because like what if you don't want to live in a certain city yeah it was difficult for me I think Cleveland is a huge you know 180 from what Texas is to be born and raised in Texas and never really leave for 22 years and then go to Cleveland it's like I've never seen anything like that i' had never seen the weather like that a place I think it takes a toll um on your mental and and how your life goes a little bit you know at the end of the day you sign up for a four-year contract one that pays obviously really well and one that um you know is is warranted it's the way it's always gone you know you go you go play college sports you're good enough you get a chance to go the draft and then you get a chance to you know go play in the National Football League but for me you know I think I've got a chance now since I've been out of the game to live in a lot of different places you know I went to Canada and played football there for a whole year so got to see you know every Province there got to live in you know Montreal for a year that beautiful was a really really cool place to get to live and a great you know country to get to see um went back to Texas for a little bit after I lived in La for 5 years and uh you know was still like Texas is always home a place I want to be but like not a place I'm ready to full-time live yet just with um I think for me being in Texas I get noticed and recognized a little bit more and I want to be in a place for me where I can go live a normal life and I don't have to have this um you know have to be a famous football you don't want to get pulled away for pictures every two seconds of your day I've settled on Arizona and right now Arizona has been great for me I play a lot of golf I think the weather outside of the summer months is absolutely amazing and you know I found great people there so it's like a great place so tell me why you chose to live in LA versus New York um so once you were done playing or took a break you were basically in you know full autonomy of your life like I'm going to do whatever I want you chose La you that's one thing we're always constantly with students or even young employees like hey you know what city you go to uh it really impacts your life a lot and I'm a big proponent like LA and for for technology SF is really big as well so la SF New York incredible for technology companies and being able to get great tech jobs was there a reason you chose La what Drew you to La I came out here um I think I wanted the exact opposite of whatever Cleveland was whenever I got in Cleveland I came out here for a month and then ended up staying for four or five years and it just kind of happened that way um you know I loved everything that I think anybody loves about LA and about um California and you know it was something that was just completely different of the world I'd been in for two years it was always sunny there was great great weather a lot to do um and I just I I loved it here and I think you know after four or five years I I left probably sometime around 200 you know 18 19 so I got out of here before the whole Co the pandemic and stuff and you know made my way not too far over to Scottsdale and started playing golf every day never really look back I love that you so do you have any aspiration to get on any type of tour I don't think so you know I think for me playing golf is a uh you know it gives me that competitive fire that I had in football you know it gives me that ability to compete and go out and have um you know a good time I think a lot of it too is help with my mental health and I think with um being outside every day and getting a chance to spend four or five out four or five hours out in the sun and getting a chance to you know do something physical do something that's good for your mental um for me is is worked volumes I love that mental health is everything mental and physical health fitter body fitter mind always prioritize yourself always prioritize a little Bly so there's two last things I definitely want to touch on and so one um you obviously are an incredible athlete and you could tell you're really strong guy um but you're not a huge guy by any means and I think that really Drew you know someone like myself for instance to being such a fan year as you're not some 6'4 quarterback who's like running a 4-2 what do you think made you so special was it the way you process the game could you see things slower than everybody else or your shiftiness you obviously were extremely elusive like how did you be able to stand out as someone who probably wouldn't stand out if he threw you into the crowd and said hey that guy's going to be the best player in here yeah I think um you know go back to that Cliff kingsb situation where he comes in he also brings in an offense that was a lot like what I had ran in high school um one that was very easy very wide open you just get a chance to make a decision and you play fast and if it wasn't there you get a chance to run so I think you know bringing that offense in fit me to a te um and you know gave me the opportunity to be able to Showcase what my abilities were um also I think in high school the football program that I was in like prepared me for so much success it was hard noos military style just really really brutal to the point of where they got us mentally tough really really quick um and I think for me you know the combination of those two things of getting able to you know have a coach that believes in you is kind of put you know it's all about thing on the football side it's all about when things go bad right when you're not playing the way you're supposed to and you're down on yourself being able to have somebody that HS you up a little bit even as mentally tough as you work and I was coming into you know the college game you know having somebody that believes in you outside of yourself is a huge huge thing it's huge um and so this is one thing I think will really help a lot of our listeners um especially someone with such status and accomplishments you've had know you were a football player for the first 24 25 years of your life and it's so cord your identity you know I went through it at a much lesser stage again at like 2122 saying okay I'm not going to be able to make it as a professional baseball player I got to figure out like like what is your identity today would you say it's more entrepreneur um you know golfer like what how do you really be able to Pivot that identity from football player to just being the happiest Johnny Manzel you can be yeah I think for me I just look at myself is you know I always wanted to get back to a a normaly in my life um the fame and everything that comes with playing in college and the NFL that came along with it you know I liked it for my first couple years out here and then it gets to a point where it's just overwhelming and you know I think for me getting back to a sense of normaly and being just like anybody else that you see um walking around the streets has been great for my mental great for my mindset and now I kind of just look at myself as I have the ability to freelance and be able to do whatever it is that I want to do um and you know I take at that's nice cuz your whole life with the sports and everything it's so structured and so regimented and it's so this this this this and this that when life slows down a little bit it gives you the opportunity to be able to see you know what you enjoy what you like what means the most to you and I really leaned a lot into um you know my family um you know my uncle my sister has three kids now so I get a chance to watch them grow up and and be in their life um and then get a chance to play a lot of golf and then still do a lot of business things on the side so I think for me it's just you know Finding what you like and finding what you're passionate about and there is a huge transition and a turnover there when you know something you've done your whole life is no longer there you know I went through a year or two years where you know I didn't know what to do when I woke up every morning what I what I normally had done is is gone so I think you know just finding things in your life that um you know make you happy that's that's what I went after things that you know I found I needed to find something that gave me Conclusion and Final Thoughts joy like football gave me joy and you know my family and golf is has been something that's brought me you know some of the happiest moments of my life over the last couple years yeah know that was beautiful I really appreciate perspective and the authenticity is amazing and you know for someone again who would uh from from afar been such a fan of yours and seen so many of your highlights and podcast and in fact um I'm sure you could appreciate that when you play baseball you do like these double celebrations and one of ours at pen and you know my specifically was largely this because of you shout out you uh my best friend and I he would do the the throw the stacks I would do the money Manzel um but you're an inspiration to sell money and you're you're so articulate and clearly very very intellectual and intelligent and deliberate about what you're doing today and so I'm a huge fan of yours I really do believe that the power of Education can transform lives and the fact that you're so passionate about being an Aggie being an alumnist and going back and helping those student athletes have better lives not just careers it's a beautiful thing and and anytime you're in La you're a friend of subject and I really appreciate taking time to speak on the podcast today Johnny Legend we will have another episode again here soon closing out for now Michael vardo thank you so much today thanks man that was amazing