See Trump WH aide Stephen Miller fact-checked by Ari Melber over Jan 6 (Part 2)

IS THERE'S EBB AND FLOW. A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE STORY YOU'RE TELLING. WHILE I HAVE YOU I HAVE TO ASK ABOUT YOUR COMMENTS DURING THE PERIOD WHERE DONALD TRUMP AND AS ALLY WAS TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE LAWFUL ELECTION. A BIG ISSUE. SHOWED SOME OF YOUR INVOLVEMENT. WHO YOU ARE ON DECEMBER 14th SPEAKING ABOUT ELECTOR FRAUD YOU KNOW NOW CHARGED IN MANY STATES. YOU REFERRED TO IT, WANT TO BE ACCURATE. ALTERNATE SLATE OF ELECTOR DECEMBER 14th, 2020. TAKE A LISTEN. >> WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME TO RIGHT THE WRONG OF THIS FRAUDULENT ELECTION RESULT AND CERTIFIED DONALD TRUMP AT WINNER OF THE ELECTION. AS WE SPEAK TODAY AN ULTIMATE SLATE OF ELECTORS IN CONTESTED STATES IS GOING TO VOTE AND THE WE'RE GOING TO SEND THOSE RESULTS UP TO CONGRESS. >> YOU WERE QUITE CLEAR ON-AIR AN THAT. WE HAVE HEADLINES ALL THE DIFFERENT STATES AND FEDERALISM, BUT ALL MOVED TOWARDS THE SAME ISSUE, AND I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR. YOU'RE NOT NAMED AS A DEFENDANT IN THESE CASES. BUT THE PEOPLE DOING WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IN THAT CLIP WHICH YOU CLEARLY HAD KNOWLEDGE OF IN ADVANCE, THE PEOPLE COMMITTING OR ATTEMPTING TO COMMIT ELECTORATE FRAUD AGAINST THEIR STATE OR THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT IN STATES YOU KNOW DONALD TRUMP LOST, APPEALED TO THE SUPREME COURT AND LOST, THOSE ARE DEALT WITH AS CRIMINAL CASES. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO YOUR PRIOR ROLE ON THAT? AND CAN YOU TONIGHT, JUST CLAIMED 2025. DID YOU DISCLAIM THESE KIND OF EFFORTS IN THE NEXT ELECTION OR NOT? >> SO -- OF ALL OF THE RIDICULOUS MOST RIDICULOUS COMMUNIST -- SURELY TOP OF THE LIST IS GOING AFTER REPUBLICAN LAWYERS AND REPUBLICAN ACTIVISTS WHO SERVED AS ALTERNATE ELECTORS SO THAT CONGRESS ON JANUARY 6th COULD LAWFULLY AND IN THE DUE COURSE OF THEIR DUTIES CONSIDERING ELECTION FRAUGHT CLAIMS. IT IS A PATRICIAIC ACT FOR A CITIZEN TO VOLUNTEER THEMSELVES TO STAND AS AN ALTERNATE ELECTOR SO THAT CONGRESS CAN HEAR AND CONSIDER CLAIMS OF ILLEGALITY, UNCONSTITUTIONALITY IN THE STATES AND CONGRESS CAN DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO RATIFY THOSE CLAIMS OR NOT. >> AND I WAS GOING TO SAY, THAT'S -- FACT CHECK, FALSE. LET'S FACT CHECK FALSE. ELECTOR FRAUD IS A CRIME AND EACH OF THESE CASES WILL BE ADJUDICATED INDIVIDUALLY. >> WHAT IS THE FRAUD? IS IT YOUR CONTENTION THAT THE MICHIGAN ALTERNATE ELECTOR WERE NOT SELF-DESCRIBED AS ALTERNATE ELECTOR? THEY HELD PRESS CONFERENCES. EVERYBODY SAYS, THESE ARE ALTERNATE ELECTORS CONSIDERED BY CONGRESS. >> OKAY. I'M GOING TO ADDRESS YOU AND LET YOU HAVE TIME TO ADDRESS. AS YOU KNOW SOME STATES CAREFUL LANGUAGE ABOUT SAYING, IF A COURT DECISION OR SOMETHING CHANGED THE OUTCOME THAT WAS ONE THING. THERE WERE MANY STATES, YOU KNOW, AND WHY THERE ARE CASES WHERE PEOPLE NOT ONLY ON THE 14th BUT UP AND THROUGH JANUARY 6th CONTINUED TO MAINTAIN THAT IN STATES THEY LOST THEY WANTED TO BE THE FRAUDULENT REPRESENTATIVE OF A VICTORY AND THEY LOST. YOU KNOW SUBMITTING FALSE INFORMATION IN ELECTION CONTEXT OR OTHER CONTEXT TO THE GOVERNMENT IS FRAUD. >> IS IT -- DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE AS YOU SIT THERE TODAY THAT THERE WAS EVER ANY DOUBT OR QUESTION AS TO WHICH WAS THE SLATE OF ELECTORS THAT THE STATE HAD CHOSEN VERSUS THE SLATE OF ALTERNATES SENT TO CONGRESS? >> RESPECTFULLY, AGAIN, WE WANT TO HAVE THIS DIALOGUE. RESPECTFULLY, IT'S WHOLE PROBLEM. THAT YOU, SHOWED YOU ON-AIR, YOUR TEAM AND YOUR PLAN TO CREATE THAT DOUBT AND USE IT AS A PRETEXT TO OVERTHROW THE CERTIFICATION ON JANUARY 6th -- I'LL LET YOU FINISH. >> AND JANUARY 6th -- >> ARE YOU GOING DPO DO THAT AGAIN THIS CYCLE THIS ELECTION? GO AHEAD. >> AGAIN, THERE'S A CLEAR-CUT CASE IN THE COUNTRY OF THE RUTHLESS WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST INNOCENT PEOPLE THAN GOING AFTER PEOPLE WHO STOOD UP, PATRIOTICALLY AND VOLUNTEERED THEMSELVES TO BE OPEN ELECTORS SO CONGRESS COULD PERFORM ITS DUTIES UNDER THE ELECTORAL COUNT ACTED. WHY CHANGED IT? BECAUSE THEY KNEW AND UNDERSTOOD THAT EVERY ACTION THAT WAS TAKEN WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE LETTER AND TEXT OF THE LAW. AND IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT DEMOCRACY BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE, YES. GOING BACK THERE. EBB AND FLOW OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. >> NO. GAVE TIME TO THAT. I HAVE LIMITED TIME AND GIVEN YOU -- NOT GOING BACK TO IMMIGRATION. TAKE A LISTEN WHAT TRUMP ALLY WAS SAYING ABOUT THE VICE PRESIDENT AT THE TIME. TAKE A LISTEN TO EBBSTEIN AND OTHERS. >> YOUR COUNTRY AND -- >> THE REMEDY WAS FOR VICE PRESIDENT PENCE AND QUARTERBACK IN THE GREEN BAY SUITE TO REMAND THOSE BACK TO THE SIX BATTLEGROUND STATES. >> VICE PRESIDENT HAS A LOT OF POWER. >> IF MIKE PENCE DOES THE RIGHT THING WE WIN THE ELECTION. >> THE WITH THE COMMITTEE. PART DIDN'T. PART OF RULE OF LAW. THEY WROTE ON THAT MORNING OF JANUARY 6th THE PRESIDENT SPOKE WITH YOU,'S STEPHEN MILLER, ABOUT WHAT HE WOULD SAY HOURS LATER AT 11:30 A.M. STEPHEN MILLER'S ASSISTANT MAILED SPEECH WRITING TEAM AND POT THIS UP. REINSERT THE MIKE PENCE LINES. FINAL WRITTEN DRAFT HAD FOLLOWING PENCE REFERENCE. "AND WE WILL SEE WHETHER PENCE ENTERS HISTORY AS A TRULY GREAT AND COURAGEOUS LEADER." YOUR POSITION CALL ULTIMATE LUP TO PENCE, RIGHT? THE VICE PRESIDENT? >> BY DEFINITION THAT'S TRUE. IF YOU WANT TO GO OVER THIS GROUND AGAIN AND AGAIN THAT'S FINE. ACTUALLY THAT'S TRUE WHY CONGRESS CAME BACK. AND REVISED THE LAW TO MAKE THE VICE PRESIDENT'S ROLE CEREMONIAL RATHER THAN OFFICIAL, WHICH IS WAS IN THE ORIGINAL VERSION. THIS WHOLE ENTIRE, ALL THIS NONSENSE, THE LIES, HOAXING ABOUT THIS, JANUARY 6th, DAYS LEADING UP TO IT WAS A LEGAL PROCESS TO RAISE OBJECTIONS TO CONGRESS, CONGRESS. IF THEY WERE VALIDATED, WOULD THEN SEND BACK TO THE STATES THE OPPORTUNITY -- TO RATIFY -- >> SPOKEN ABOUT THAT. FAMILIAR WITH THAT. YOU SAID AGAIN AND AGAIN, TO BE CLEAR, FIRST TIME ON THIS PROGRAM. SO NOT AGAIN AND AGAIN FOR US DISCUSSING IT. THIS IS US DISCUSSING NEWSWORTHY ITEMS I DON'T KNOW YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN ASKED ABOUT. IF YOU THOUGHT THE VICE PRESIDENT HAS THAT ROLE AND LEGAL AND YOU EMPHASIZED THAT AND THAT STEMS FROM THE CONSTITUTION I GET YOU MUST BE FINE WITH VICE PRESIDENT MAKING THE CALL THIS JANUARY? >> AGAIN, THERE'S NO JUST THE VICE PRESIDENT. CONGRESS ITSELF HAS TO VOTE ON AND RATIFY THESE PROPOSITIONS AS WELL. A ROLE FOR CONGRESS, THE HOUSE, THE SENATE. >> BUT YOU'RE GOOD WITH VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS DOING IT THIS TIME? YOU WROTE THAT SPEECH? >> MORE IMPORTANTLY, ARI, THEY REWROTE THE LAW. REWROTE THE LAW. THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL ROLE NOW DOWN GRADED FROM OFFICIAL TO CEREMO CEREMONIAL. I WAND TO UNDERSCORE. >> YOU DO FEEL -- PENCE IS THE VICE PRESIDENT IT'S FINE. HARRIS IS VICE PRESIDENT IT'S NOT. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? >> ARI, THEY REWROTE -- >> WHAT DO YOU THINK AS THEY MAKE DECISION WHAT'S TO VOTE FOR. >> THEY REWROTE THE LAW. ARI, REWROTE THE LAW. I CARE ABOUT MY DEMOCRACY. EVERY BIT AS MUCH, IF NOT MORE, THAN YOU DO. >> I'M TRYING TO GET ANSWERS FROM YOU. WE'RE NOT IN A PERSONAL DISPUTE ABOUT DEMOCRACY CREDENTIALS. YOU WROTE THAT AND YOU WROTE THAT IN ON PENCE. YOU PLAYED IT UP TO JANUARY 6th. YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT. A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE WERE CONVICTED OF CRIMES. >> A LOT OF INNOCENT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PERSECUTED BY A CORRUPT SYSTEM. WHAT KIND OF CORRUPT SYSTEM THROWS REPUBLICAN LAWYERS IN JAIL FOR OFFERING GOOD, SOUND, LEGAL ADVICE? BUT DOES NOTHING WITH SECRETARIES OF STATE WHO CLEARLY VIOLATE OUR OWN STATE CONSTITUTIONS? HOW MANY IN JAIL, JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS ARE THE NUMBER ONE TRAFFIC OTHERS ARE GIRLS INTO SEX -- >> WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING YOU WANT TO RIP OFF THE INTERNET THAT'S FALSE AND NOT DOING DEFAMATION HERE. YOU KNOW OTHER TRUMP ALLIES IN A LOT OF TROUBLE. NOT DOING THAT HERE. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT DEMOCRACY. YOU SOUND RIGHT NOW. I'M LET YOU RESPOND WE'RE RETURNING OVER ON TIME. YOU SOUND MORE OUTRAGED -- I'LL FINISH THE QUESTION AND GIVE YOU TIME. YOU SOUND MORE OUTRAGED ABOUT YOU ALLEGE IS THAT DOUBLE STANDARD. GIVEN YOU TIME TO EXPLAIN IT, THAN THE PEOPLE WHO BATTERED THE COPS AND LED TO DEATHS AND STORMED THE CAPITOL. I KNOW IN YOUR DEPOSITION I LOOKED AT IT. YOU SAID AGAINST THE VIOLENCE. HAVEN'T GOTTEN AROUND TO SAYING THAT HERE TONIGHT. AGAIN, YOUR TIME WHEN YOU ANSWER. YOU SOUND MORE OUTRAGED ABOUT THAT THAN THE ACTUAL CONVICTED SEDITION AT THE CAPITOL THAT DAY, BY THE WAY, DONALD TRUMP FLOATED THE IDEA HE WOULD PARDON THE SEDITIONISTS WHO STORMED THE CAPITOL VIOLENTLY. RUNNING OVER ON TIME. A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO ALL THAT. >> YES. I, PRESIDENT TRUMP, AND EVERYONE ELSE HAVE BEEN REPEATEDLY CLEAR ABOUT THE FACT THAT ANY VIOLENCE THAT TOOK PLACE WAS UNACCEPTABLE NAP IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE AND DIFFERENT FROM THROWING A GRANDMOTHER IN JAIL FOR FIVE YEARS WHO JUST SAID A PRAYER IN A HALLWAY AFTER BEING USHERED IN BY A CAPITOL POLICE OFFICER AND LEFT. THE WEAPONIZATION OF THE GOVERNMENT, THERE'S A GUY WHO POST ADUMMIM ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON IN JAIL RIGHT NOW. MACKE. THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT IS BEGINNING OF THE END OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY AND EVERY ONE OF YOUR VIEWERS AND LISTENERS SHOULD UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU HAVE A COUNTRY YOU CAN THROW PEOPLE IN JAIL FOR VIOLATIONS OF MISINFORMATION, FOR ENGAGING IN FREE SPEECH, ENGAGING IN GOOD LEGAL ADVICE, FOR CHALLENGING ILLEGITIMATE ELECTION RESULTS YOU'RE NOT A FREE COUNTRY ANYMORE. AND OUTRAGED ABOUT RIGHT NOW MOMS WHOSE DAUGHTERS ARE DEAD AND LET IN THEIR KILLERS. AND WHEN YOU HAVE ON YOUR PROGRAM THE MOTHER OF JOCELYN, THE MOTHER OF LINCOLN RILEY OR THE MOTHER OF ANY OF THE OTHER VICTIMS, THE MOTHER OF THE GIRL WHO WAS RAPED IN CENTRAL PARK, THEN YOU CAN TALK ABOUT VIOLATION -- >> I TOLD YOU WE WILL GIVE YOU TIME. PEOPLE CAN HEAR, AS YOU SAID, DIRECTLY FROM YOU THAT'S SOMETHING WE DO HERE. AND WE HAVE GIVEN YOU A LOT OF