Losing? Trump sinks as even GOP says Harris crushed the debate

SHE'S DOING LOCAL TELEVISION INTERVIEWS IN PENNSYLVANIA. KEEP IT LOCKED RIGHT HERE. YOU'LL GET THE NEWS, THE UPDATES AS WELL AS HER REMARKS WHEN SHE SPEAKS. 53 DAYS OUT FROM THE ELECTION THE HARRIS WOULD WELCOME ANOTHER ONE. WHAT YOU SAW WERE SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF THREE DAYS. WE ARE HERE ENDING THE WEEK ON A FRIDAY. THAT'S JUST THREE DAYS OF WHAT HAS BEEN THIS COMPRESSED AND ACTIVE CAMPAIGN. TRUMP WAVING AWAY ANY TALK OF ANOTHER DEBATE WHICH IS INTERESTING. HE UNDERSTANDS APPARENTLY THAT THIS DEBATE WAS BAD ENOUGH, THAT A SECOND COULD BE AS BAD OR WORSE. HE'S ALSO NOT PLAYING GAMES. WE'VE COVERED TRUMP FOR YEARS. THIS IS A GUY WHO CLAIMS HE WANTS DEBATES. HE HAS SPENT MANY NEWS CYCLES CLAIMING HE WOULD DO THINGS AND NOT. WHY IS IT DIFFERENT NOW? WELL, THIS IS A CONVERSATION THAT MIGHT BE OUT OF HIS CONTROL. IF HE TRIED TO FAKE AND CLAIM HE WON ANOTHER DEBATE, IT WOULD ADD MORE TIME TO PEOPLE DISCUSSING THE DEBATE, WHICH ALSO ITSELF MAY BE BAD FOR HIM. HARRIS IS TRYING TO BUILD MOMENTUM OFF THE DEBATE PERFORMANCE. SHE'S BEEN HITTING SWING STATES. SHE DID TWO RALLIES IN NORTH CAROLINA WHERE HARRIS AND TRUMP ARE TIED. >> DONALD TRUMP AND I HAD OUR DEBATE. YOU WATCHED IT? DID YOU WATCH IT? ADDRESS THE N OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. WELL, FOLKS, LOOK, IT'S TIME TO TURN THE PAGE. >> THERE YOU HAVE IT. CAMPAIGNS OFTEN BOIL DOWN TO TWO BIG FACTORS -- THE MESSAGE, WHICH TAKES ENDLESS REPETITION FROM THE CANDIDATE, THEIR SURROGATES, THE ADS, ALL THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS SPENT REPEATING THE MESSAGE. THAT'S ONE PART OF THE CAMPAIGN. YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD SOME OF THOSE LINES OR VARIATIONS ON THEM FROM HARRIS AND HER ALLIES BEFORE. THE OTHER PART IS MOMENTUM AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING THIS WEEK THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SEEMINGLY LOGICAL TUESDAY NIGHT EVEN WEDNESDAY MORNING AS IT SUNK IN THAT TRUMP HAD A TERRIBLE DEBATE AND HARRIS HAD A GOOD ONE HAS BUILT THROUGH THE LAST FEW DAYS AND TONIGHT AND HARRIS DOING A NEW TELEVISION INTERVIEW. THAT'S THE MOMENTUM PART. SHE'S STITCHING THE DEBATE PERFORMANCE, NOT REALLY CLOSE, ONE OF OUR POLARIZED CONTESTED THINGS WHERE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS SEE THE ECONOMY DIFFERENTLY. SHE IS SEIZING ON THE FACT THAT IT'S BECOME CLEAR, AS WE REPORTED AND SHOWN YOU, THAT VOTERS THINK SHE CLEARLY RUN. MANY REPUBLICANS ADMIT SHE WON AND SHE'S USING THAT FOR MOMENTUM. THE MOMENTUM PART BRINGS US TO TIM WALZ WHO IS OUT IN MICHIGAN, PART OF THE SO-CALLED BLUE WALL THEY WANT TO WIN, AGAIN, USING THE DEBATE, THE PERFORMANCE, DONALD TRUMP'S FAILURE ON THAT DEBATE STAGE, TO BUILD THE CAMPAIGN'S MOMENTUM. TAKE A LOOK. >> THERE WAS ONE PERSON ON THAT STAGE WHO SHOULD BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, ONE PERSON. SHE COMMANDED THE ROOM AND I KNOW ALL OF US ARE INCREDIBLY PROUD OF VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS, BUT LET'S BE VERY CLEAR, NONE OF US WERE SURPRISED OF WHAT HAPPENED THERE. FROM THE GET GO SHE HAD THE UPPER HAND. WALKING IN, GIVING THE HAND SHAKE. LOOK, IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT CHARACTER. I GOT TO ASK RIGHT AFTER THE DEBATE DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO ANOTHER ONE? I SAID, HELL, EVERY DAY WE SHOULD DO ANOTHER ONE, OF COURSE. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. DONALD TRUMP CONFIRMED TODAY HE'S NOT DOING ANOTHER ONE. [ CROWD BOOING ] GIVE HIM A LITTLE BREAK. THAT ONE LEFT A MARK. THAT ONE LEFT A MARK. HE'S WITH IT. LOOK, WHO HE WAS WAS ON FULL DISPLAY THE OTHER NIGHT. HIS TRUE COLORS WERE OUT THERE. NOT JUST HIS MAKE-UP, NOT JUST HIS MAKE-UP. >> THAT'S TIM WALZ SIGNATURE STYLE WHICH PEOPLE ARE LEARNING ABOUT. WHILE THERE'S PLENTY OF BACK AND FORTH IN POLITICS, I WOULD ADD FACT CHECK. DONALD TRUMP WAS ON DISPLAY. WE'RE SO ACCUSTOMED TO HIM GETTING AWAY WITH THINGS THAT THE COMBINATION OF KAMALA HARRIS BEING VERY GOOD AT THIS, AND THAT'S DEMONSTRATED, BUT ALSO EVOLUTION AND LEARNING WITHIN THE MEDIA AND THE FACT CHECKING THAT OCCURRED DURING THE DEBATE AS WELL AS OUR CIVIL DISCOURSE IF I CAN SOUND SO HIGH-MINDED, I THINK MORE PEOPLE ARE ON TO THE TRICKS AND THE LIES AND THE BS. SO THE IDEA HERE THAT DONALD TRUMP BOTH LOST AND IS RUNNING AWAY FROM HER, RUNNING AWAY FROM ANOTHER DEBATE AND HAS BEEN FORCED TO TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT THAT AFTER LYING ALL THROUGH TUESDAY, KAMALA HARRIS AND HER CAMPAIGN AND HER EFFICACY HAS HIM TELLING THE TRUTH APPARENTLY ON THIS ISSUE BY FRIDAY, WHICH IS HE DOESN'T WANT TO DEBATE HER AGAIN. HE COULDN'T HANDLE HER TRUTH AND HE'S RUNNING AWAY. THAT BRINGS US TO SOME WISDOM FROM THE GREAT BOB MARLEY. YOU'RE RUNNING AND YOU'RE RUNNING AWAY, BUT YOU CAN'T RUN AWAY FROM YOURSELF. SOMETIMES LYRICS HAVE PSYCHOLOGICAL WISDOM AND SOMETIMES THEY HAVE POLITICAL APPLICATION. DONALD TRUMP CANNOT RUN AWAY FROM WHO HE IS AND WHO HE HAS BEEN FOR SOMETIME. THE FACT THAT HE'S LESS AWARE OF HOW IT'S PLAYING, THAT IT PLAYED POORLY AND HE'S BEEN ALLEGEDLY FIGHTING WITH HIS CAMPAIGN LEADERSHIP ABOUT THAT. HE WENT INTO THE SPIN ROOM TO SAY WHAT OTHERS WOULDN'T, TO DOUBLE DOWN ON THINGS LIKE PET EATING. HE'S NOT ABOUT TO CHANGE INTO A DIFFERENT, MORE REFLECTIVE, MORE ACCOUNTABLE PERSON AT THIS LATE STAGE IN HIS CAREER AND IN THIS CAMPAIGN. NOW HARRIS IS IN PENNSYLVANIA, WHICH IS A CRITICAL STATE. WE CAN TELL YOU SOME OF THE NUMBERS. THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN IS POURING MONEY IN, WHICH SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT IT'S STILL CLOSE AND THAT REPUBLICANS AND DONALD TRUMP HAVE VERY GOOD FUNDAMENTALS IN THAT STATE. LOOK AT THIS FROM THE "NEW YORK TIMES," A QUARTER OF THE AD SPENDING THROUGH ELECTION DAY GOING TO PENNSYLVANIA, WHICH REMINDS YOU HOW THAT DELEGATE RICH STATE MATTERS. EVEN IF THEY THINK, THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN, SHE'S DOING GREAT, THEY CANNOT RISK LOSING PENNSYLVANIA. THERE'S NOT A GOOD MAP FOR THEM IF YOU LOSE PENNSYLVANIA TO WIN THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE. NOW, I MENTIONED AND I SAID THIS AND OUR COLLEAGUES TALKED ABOUT THIS, WE TALKED ABOUT IT TUESDAY NIGHT AND WEDNESDAY, MORE THAN ONE PERSON ON THIS CHANNEL SAID HERE'S HOW SHE WON, LOOK AT THE SUBSTANCE AND THE FACTS, BUT WE HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE VOTERS THINK. DEBATES ARE NOT SCORED BY THE MEDIA OR A JUDGE. THERE'S NO JURY LIKE IN COURT THAT COMES OUT WITH A RULING THE NEXT DAY. THEY'RE JUDGED MORE BROADLY BY THE PUBLIC OVER THE DAYS AND WEEKS AHEAD. WELL, WE ARE ENDING THE WEEK. I CAN SHOW YOU OVER HALF SURVEYED SAY THAT DONALD TRUMP STUMBLED AND DID NOT APPEAR SHARP. YOU CAN SEE. LOOK AT THE GAP BETWEEN THE 52% THAT SAY HE STUMBLED AND 1 OUT OF 5 VOTERS SAID THAT ABOUT HARRIS. AMERICANS ALSO WEIGHING IN ON THE WINNER, A WHOPPING 53% SAY HARRIS WON. ONLY 24% COULD MUSTER THAT VIEW FOR TRUMP. IN FAIRNESS TO DONALD TRUMP, I MENTIONED THIS EARLIER THIS WEEK AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN NOW. SOMETIMES WE REPEAT THINGS. 24% OF PEOPLE FAMILIAR WITH THE DEBATE SAYING TRUMP WON MEANS A HECK OF A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR TRUMP IN THE PAST OR ARE REPUBLICANS DON'T THINK HE WON. DIDN'T SAY THAT TO A POLLSTER OR FRIEND OR FAMILY MEMBER. THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR DONALD TRUMP. IT'S A SHOCK WAVE. DOESN'T MEAN THOSE PEOPLE WON'T VOTE FOR HIM, BUT IT DEPRESSES THE ENTHUSIASM OF HIS PAST VOTERS. THEN THIS BRINGS ME TO THE COMMENTARY. WE LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE WE HEAR, ESPECIALLY FROM THE MAGA SIDE, CONSTANT LIES. IT BECAME A LITMUS TEST TO LIE ABOUT THE RESULTS OF THE 2020 ELECTION. DONALD TRUMP WAS THE LOSER. ONE OF THE LITMUS TESTS WAS TO LIE AND SAY HE WASN'T THE LOSER, BUT HE WAS. DONALD TRUMP IS THE LOSER OF THE 2020 ELECTION. FACT. I'LL SAY IT THEN, I'LL SAW IT NOW, MANY PROMINENT REPUBLICANS TRYING TO KEEP INFLUENCE IN MAGA WORLD WON'T SAY IT OR DIRECTLY LIE ABOUT IT. LOW BAR HERE, BUT SOME OF THOSE SAME PEOPLE WHO SOME OF THE TIME HAVE FLIRTED WITH THAT APPEAR TO FEEL THE NEED TO JUST TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY THINK TRUMP BLEW IT AND MAYBE THAT'S BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE TELLING THE TRUTH OR MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE SOME OF THEM WANT TO GET THROUGH TO HIM AND SAY, BIG GUY, YOU KEEP DOING THIS YOU'RE MORE LIKELY TO LOSE. SOME EVEN ACKNOWLEDGING WHERE HARRIS HIT CATS, THAT'S SOMETHI "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE" WOULD DO. >> HE WENT DOWN A FEW CAT AND DOG HOLES RATHER THAN RABBIT HOLE. >> I THINK HE LOSES BECAUSE OF THIS DEBATE PERFORMANCE. >> WOW. >> EVERY VOICE YOU HEARD WAS EITHER A FULL-BLOWN CONSERVATIVE WHO SPENT THEIR ENTIRE ADULT CAREERS AS A CONSERVATIVE OR SOMEONE FROM FOX NEWS. YOU HAVE BILL O'REILLY AND FRANK LUTZ AND RFK JR. WHO JUST ENDORSED DONALD TRUMP AND IS TRYING TO HELP HIM, HE THINKS. I COULD HAVE SHOWED YOU MANY MORE MINUTES OF PEOPLE WHO ARE INDEPENDENT EXPERTS OR VOTERS, LET ALONE DEMOCRATS AND LIBERALS. THAT'S ON THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE. IMAGINE WHAT THEY'RE SAYING TO EACH OTHER WITH THE CAMERAS OFF AND, AGAIN, IF RFK JR. IS SAYING THAT IN PUBLIC AND HE'S APPEARING ON THE STAGE WITH DONALD TRUMP HE HAS THE ABILITY FOX THERE'S A THEME HERE WHICH IS A LOT OF PEOPLE ABSORBING THAT HE LOST THE DEBATE WHICH HURTS HIS MOMENTUM. FOR SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING UP THEIR MIND -- WHO'S STILL MAKING UP THEIR MIND -- IT MIGHT SWAY THEM. HARD TO IMAGINE THIS BRINGS SOMEONE TOWARDS HIM. THEN THE CONCEPTS OF A PLAN, THAT MATTERS. IT MAY HAVE BEEN A GAFFE. IT MAY HAVE BEEN WORDED POORLY. UNDERNEATH IT IS SOMETHING SUBSTANTIVE. DOES DONALD TRUMP CARE ABOUT THIS JOB? HE CLEARLY WANTS TO STAY OUT OF PRISON AND WANTS TO PUNISH HIS ENEMIES AND HE TALKS ABOUT BEING A DICTATOR. THAT'S ABOUT HIM AND HIS POWER. DOES HE CARE ABOUT THE ACTUAL JOB OF BEING PRESIDENT AND BEING CONCERNED ABOUT YOU AND THE PUBLIC AND POLICY AND HEALTH CARE AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS? WHETHER YOU HAVE AN ACTUAL PLAN TO DEAL WITH THE NATIONAL HEALTH CARE DEBATES WE'VE BEEN HAVING FOREVER, BUT CERTAINLY DURING HIS TENURE MATTERS. IT WAS A PROBLEM FOR HIM THAT HE COULDN'T EVEN IN HIS OWN WORDS CLAIM HE HAS AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT OR OBAMACARE. TAKE A LOOK. >> JUST A YES OR NO, YOU STILL DON'T HAVE A PLAN? >> I HAVE CONCEPTS OF A PLAN. >> YOU HEARD WHAT HE SAID IN THE DEBATE. HE HAS NO PLAN TO REPLACE IT. HE SAID -- HE SAID CONCEPTS OF A PLAN. OH, YOU ALL WATCHED THE DEBATE. CONCEPTS. CONCEPTS. NO ACTUAL PLAN. CONCEPTS. >> CONCEPTS OF A PLAN SOUNDS LIKE A GAFFE, BUT IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT VERY SERIOUS POLICY EXPERTS ARE SEIZING ON. TAKE THE