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[Music] [Music] [Music] d [Music] [Music] [Music] what's going on everybody welcome into leading off the fantasy pros baseball podcast we are presented by bet 365 bet five bucks get 150 in bonus bets when you use that promo code leading off with our friends over at bet 365 there's no Welsh there's no Joe pipia but Casey babba and myself Joe o Rico are back here on this Monday leading off we're supposed to have wellsh on but that's what happens this time of year when football gets crazy Welsh is famous now he's got to do the football shows but that's why Bubba and myself are here to take you through everything that's going on talk about the latest news talk some injury updates bets home run calls all that great stuff Bubba how you doing on this fine Monday I'm doing great it's always pleasure as usual talking baseball with you and uh keep going with three weeks left in the baseball Seasons so know who's counting but uh as we're we're rolling here and that other game takes place and takes everybody's attention away we still get crack in here for a daily baseball for us yeah I think we're down to the final I there three weeks left three shows a week we're down to the final nine leading offs of the season so make sure you guys are subscribed to the show whether it is on the podcast side or the YouTube side would really appreciate any help you guys can give us here as football starts to take over but we are still going to be having baseball content come at you throughout the off season so make sure you guys are signed up for everything podcast YouTube and all that great stuff we are going to start with the headlines and we're going to keep it the way we usually do here but we're going to start off with some rather tough news and it's Justin Verlander just getting destroyed again eight earned runs over three Innings against the Diamondbacks couple of home runs he allowed eight hits did not record a strikeout what we've seen from him in 14 games this season has been awful a 530 erra a 138 whip the worst strikeout and walk raids that he's had in 10 years is Verlander finished Bubba is there any hope that he can kind of come back and give us any old Verlander type of performances or is it just kind of he's going to go out the back door and this is kind of how his career is going to end I think this is kind of where we're headed you might get a start here and there but velocity is not what it once was doesn't go deep into the games we saw this last year before he got hurt things were slowing down he still was serviceable still could get strikeouts from time to time but he's now a pitcher not a thrower like he and he still was a pitcher before but you know what I mean when you're still pumping High 90s in the seventh or eighth inning that's a thrower a lot of the time but um verin is just getting old father time is undefeated in these situations and it's a shame because he is one of the best pitchers of most of Generations like he's very very good he's up there in the probably I'll say top 10 potentially top five depending on who you are but I think this is about the end of it I wanted nothing to do with him when he was coming out theil I rooted for him but I it's like no I'm gonna pass on this one and I see where it goes I'm quietly sadly not surprised by what's taking place now that I think paven Smith was gonna be the the guy that put him to to his grave no but I thought something like this could happen it's crazy I mean paven Smith will mention him later just like one of the games of the season for anybody um but Verlander I don't know what to expect from him going forward because he's going to be 42 years old by the start of next season he is a he's older than me that says a lot people that is pretty old um no I'm just I'm just playing with you I just don't know if we can really trust him going to his age 42 season he has a player option I feel like he's gonna pick that up because I don't know what kind of deal he's going to get on the market but I can't really see myself drafting Verlander unless we're talking talking about if he falls to like the last round and then you say okay maybe I'll take a chance on him here but just that name value alone I feel like he won't fall as far as he should given the performances we've seen any chance you have any interest in Verlander at a given price next year or just a full fade I'm just a full fade like he'd have to be post 250 like one of your last round picks essentially to keep interest from me so I'm pretty positive I'll be out on the P Landers show I think that's kind of the end but of course like you mentioned he's one of the best pitchers of the generation he's going to the Hall of Fame it just it's sad to see it kind of go out like this I always figured he would end with like a 27 erra and come third and sa young like a David Ortiz type of sendoff year I don't know why I figured that would be what would happen for Verlander but it doesn't look like we're gonna get that he's kind of just stuck around for a little bit too long at this point um 42 is just you're pushing it if you're still trying to be a major league player at 42 Jamie Moyer uh he's not coming back through that door anytime soon let's talk about Julio Rodriguez six hits over the weekend in St Louis he's 17 for his last 54 over the last couple of weeks that's a 315 batting average three home runs three stolen bases it obviously hasn't been great it's been a pretty miserable season as a whole for Julio and yet he's like a top 150 player overall so i' I've really been struggling because as the season goes on we start to think about next year's draft targets and you know there's been some early drafts we've broken down already do you think there's a chance Julio gets himself back into the first round like there's a chance he goes 2020 in a miserable season we know that he can go 303 30 if not 4040 so any chance that Julio gets into the top 15 next year uh yeah wouldn't shock me he went 13th and our two early DC we did a couple weeks back so there's still a lot of love for him never hurts to have a strong finish to the season to get people excited now the back end of that draft is is loaded between the end of the first round really second round I think there's a lot of moving pieces there that'll change from draft to draft but a strong finish from Julio will remind people of how talented he really is I think he might been hurt quite a bit this season more than let on because he he had the little iil stin and they came back quicker than most expected so on and so forth you know maybe he's healthy maybe he's not but um the Finish is strong so I think he'll find his way back into the first round the power hasn't really I mean 14 home runs the whole season but a part of I think the the struggle in terms of the overall stat line has also been just how bad the team has been around him 49 ribes 60 runs scored yes part of that is on Julio but the Mariners have been historically bad that definitely has not helped things out I feel like if he's still sitting there at the beginning of the second round if I compare him with like a tatis a Carol maybe a Tucker I feel like I'm gonna do it I I just don't know if I really want to take that chance of letting him slip by because we know that he's capable of giving you a top five season and slowly but surely he is kind of getting back to that we have seen old Julio at times this year but yeah 14 homers 21 steals 262 I wouldn't fault anybody for not wanting to take him in the first round but we're we're kind of getting back there especially if he finishes really hot I I could see him getting there on a consistent basis let's talk Jack flarity dominant outing which has kind of become what we've been used to this season seven in the third shut out ball with six strikeouts against the Guardians he allowed just four hits for the season as a whole I mean Jack Flare's done some amazing things and I want to shout out your co-host uh Ryan Bloomfield who was one of the people I heard speaking loudest about Jack flarity in the preseason a 286 er a one1 whip he is second among all qualified starters in Strike Up minus great and second in Sierra I don't know what to do with him for next season though because we've seen two good years from flarity out of like seven are you gonna trust him heading into next year because I think at this point like he's obviously somebody I trust implicitly this season but once the year changes over you never really know what's going to happen if a six-month layoff is flare somebody that can be trusted as an sp1 or an SP2 next season you think I think as an S2 potentially I'm terrified of sp1 with him he's got a quite the injury history like there's no denying that and even the back was an issue off and on this season so there are some of those lingering concerns we've seen him pitch really well before when he's been healthy with the Cardinals we've also seen the opposite side of that Spectrum which we could probably get at any moment so and the free agent where's he going to land that's a big piece of the puzzle as well I think you could draft him as an sb2 like in a perfect Ro i' like SP sp3 he won't be there as an sp3 he'll be gone before that so if you're a believer in what he's doing which this is who he can be if he stays stays healthy there's no denying that then he is worthy of an SP2 it's just there is a lot of risk with one of your top end fantasy pitchers if if you take the chance yeah location is going to be big if he goes back to the Dodgers that'll obviously be probably the best case scenario I hate it so yeah go for it that was a Giants fan if you guys weren't aware but that statement probably does make you aware of it I don't know if I'm gonna want like I've been a huge fan of his but I don't know if I really want to touch him where he's probably going to be going which is top 50 top 75 picks overall probably I just it makes me nervous it really does I feel like I'm probably going to do it once or twice because we are volume players Bubba and I we going to probably do how many teams you have this year 20 or so 15 20 it's like 20 years we're just gonna go with that keep the pie 20th so we'll have one or two shares maybe but oh I will have some flarity yes you are correct yeah just investing consistently as an sp1 SP2 you're going to need some security around him you're going to need a Logan web a George Kirby or somebody who can really eat a lot of innings and that's a pretty sure thing if you are going to take that chance pretty early on flare um moving on to Michael Waka who I mean this is the third straight year Bubba where he's been really really good it was seven Innings of shut out ball yesterday not a cupcake match up either against the twins he struck out seven allowed just four hits 334 ER 118 whip considering where people drafted him he's a huge huge win this season is he somebody now that like after three straight years of roughly a three and a half ra can we say that walk is trustable as like an sp3 and P4 the numbers below the surface are not great that's why I kind of question it the strikeouts aren't amazing the ER estimators leave something to be desired how much do you trust Michael Waka going forward I trust him quite a bit talked about him on the first pitch pod last night that um this start was amazing it's just the consistency he brings you mentioned three straight years I thought the dude was like Adam way W's age He's 33 years old he's not even that old yet like there's a lot to be had with Wala and one thing I found very very impressive to me like just to give it the big example of his consistency of late he has allowed three year runs or less in 19 of his last 20 starts that is like something you can just trust now it's 99 K and 113 Indians so yeah it's still not bad that's not bad but it's not like the K per indan type guys are better that you want at the same time man if you could if your first two pitchers are just like wheeler and like CE or some that strikes out everybody and then you bring this this ratio machine behind you that's actually getting wins also because he's pitching deep in the games like and I could probably gone farther it's probably like 27 of like 29 starts or something but 19 of his last 23 RS or less that is a model of consistency that should not be ignored and I just wanted to give him his props I'm glad he was on the outline today because a lot of us I think just look at him go it's walk he's boring which he is he's very boring there's no denying that but when it comes to Fantasy boring can be beautiful and this is very beautiful yeah sometimes we get caught up in the hot new toy always you know I got to take this guy in the second round and he's going to win my league or whatever A lot of the time it is those boring players you know Seth Lugo another guy who's been was a boring guy coming into the year he's going to win a lot of leagues just because of you know that late price really returning Great Value and this the same thing with W it's not always the guys that get pushed up that win your leagues right it's sometimes it's a lot of the time it's those guys going between 100 and pick 200 or so even later that can really return this crazy value like Wala has and I feel like going into next year he'll kind of be a fate again people are gonna just do what I did you say Okay the strikeouts aren't great you know the xips and sieras of the world are all right but they're not amazing and he might be somebody where you can get him at a bit of a discount and like Bubba said pretty safe in terms of the ratios if you got your strikeouts squared away speaking of strikeout squared away let's talk Edward Cabrera seven Innings against the Phillies yesterday six strikeouts I don't know what to make of Edward Cabrera as usual because we see starts like this against team like the Phillies but we also see hot garbage from him a lot of the time and the inconsistency is really what makes him almost impossible to use I've always been a big fan of Edward Cabrera there's been some positive signs this season but is there any way we can trust him at this point I feel like I want to see that command get a lot better but uh what what are your thoughts on Edward cabrer going forward Baba this is the the problem with him is the talent is undeniable the consistency is not the command is not well what we saw in this start was it one walk two walks something like that over seven Innings uh the last four starts it's been three in runs or less for Edward Cabrera with like 20ks over 23 Innings but eight walks so pick your poison there but we have seen Signs of Life of late it's one of those guys who worth gambling on late in drafts if if you want to streams are like he always looks to be a good stream but the headache is there because the the you know the opposite side can take place as we've seen But the talent's undeniable and so when we see this kind of stuff it reels you back in every time I'll still be interested I'll have a few shares but uh it's just one of those things like because if he ever figures it out command wise dude's gonna be ridiculous it's just uh we haven't seen that yet he could have like a Dylan ceas type of career potentially where you see these 30 10 guys 30% strikeout rate 10% walk rate where the talents there and it's just a matter of figuring out that command and I feel like he could reach those kind of Dylan SE levels if you had a seven or eight percent walk rate but that's that's asking a lot at this point in time still going to be interested I'll always be interested in Edward Cabrera because he's just one of those guys for me it's kind of like Tyler McGill I just I don't know why there's something about them certain pitchers that you just kind of get interested in he's one of them for me but the inconsistency is still a problem at this point let's talk about a couple hitters starting in my neck of the woods in Toronto Spencer horwood had a hell of a weekend he went six for seven with three homers four runs scored and five ribbies been a top 75 player over the last month hitting 270 18 runs and 14 RB with seven homers I've really become more interested in Spencer Horwitz I didn't think there was all that much there really earlier on but he hits the ball very hard you know he's playing most of the time he's usually in the third to fifth spot in the Blue Jays order what's your interest level rest of season and also heading into next year as far it's going to be somebody that you're targeting as a as a middle Corner infield guy I'm very interested I know like in DCS I took some weight shares of him because we we saw the bat skills were great it was just a million-dollar question of where's he going to play I think it was util only also and to start the season in FBC but he's getting the playing time it's looking good U you're the Jays guy is that something we can expect next year if that's the case I'm interested as a late round pick at least um I'm not going to Target him as like my starting first baseman but he's got Corner infield viability he's a good bench bat I just don't know what the playing time looks like for sure for the Blue Jays I don't know that any spot on the roster outside of first base with Vlad is really guarantee to anybody next year varo is going to be around Kirk's probably gonna be around there's gonna be a lot of playing time though and considering what Horwitz was done he can play second he can play first I mean he has pretty good play skills 10% walk rate 17 on the strikeout rate he hits the ball pretty hard I think he's going to be around I think he's going to be somebody that does have some interest his his WRC plus after half a season is one 35 it's a lot better than you'd probably expect I'm going to have some interest here you also have to acknowledge that the Blue Jays lineup is going to probably be a bit of a dumpster fire next season so counting stats gonna be a little bit tricky I don't expect many stolen bases but just as a corner to Middle infield option that pick 250 or so in the draft like he's gonna be pretty interesting if he even gets that far because his recent stretch might push him up a little bit um one more guy to talk about here in the headlines and that's Cedric Mullins he had a home run over the weekend against the Rays and it's kind of snuck up on me that he's turned the season around over the last month hitting 302 with three homers and seven stolen bases as a whole it's been pretty inconsistent and I do feel like eventually he'll be pushed out of playing time just based on all the youngsters that got to fit into the lineup there but it hasn't been a terrible season for Mullins 15 homers 26 stolen bases only hitting 234 but generally speaking it hasn't been a terrible year for him it's been a better year than last year what are your thoughts heading in the next season is he G to have a starting everyday role in Baltimore are we reaching the point where he might get pushed out are you going to have any interest in drafting him essentially I'll probably be out unless he drops quite a bit because he was already platooning this year feels like he's been the odd man out at times but now and then he starts producing again gets some more reps then struggles and gets gets kind of pushed away again I feel like there are enough options in that orial system to move Cedric out of the way that's kind of where I'd be leaning at this point in time so I'd be out on Cedric for now unless we get some new news that all of a sudden they've regained love with Cedric M who he's back in a back in action for him maybe that price Falls far maybe we hear he's getting a regular rooll but yeah I feel like at this point the bloom is off the rose he's not the 3030 guy he was a couple years ago he could still have some value but it would have to come at a pretty discounted price like if he's in the top 150 picks or so I couldn't do it if we're talking about like pick 200 or something like that I could probably be talked into it um let's talk about a couple of rookies in the rookie lookie section here Trey Sweeny who was one of the pieces acquired for Jack flarity at the deadline big game four for four with a combo meal couple runs couple ribbies hasn't been so so great Bubba is there any interest here for deeper leagues down the stretch for Trey Sweeny or is something you want to just wait for next year on I'm probably waiting till next year i' I've brought him up in Fab from time to time in deep leagues like you're saying there are a lot of middle infield options that have popped up over the last month or so that kind of um you know go over the top of Sweeney but the skills are there he hit a couple home runs over the last week so that's good to see but the consistency like you mentioned has not been there so I'm probably more excited about Sweeny for 2025 but depending on your format he is gonna be viable most likely yeah I I think so as well I know I kind of undersold the Tigers return there um I just think I compared it directly with like the Kikuchi package and it didn't seem like they really got enough back considering how good flare had been but it looks like they could have a couple of decent pieces here with Sweeney being among them um Conor nor is another guy I want to talk about in the rookie lookie I think he's been more valuable over about 20 games than Trevor Rogers was for the entire season uh he had three home runs drove in seven against the Phillies over the weekend as a Marlin he has 1,043 Ops six home runs in 18 games there are some numbers however below the surface that aren't really that great average ex of velocity 86 miles an hour 38% hard hit rate he's striking out 30% of the time but he's got a 14% Barrel rate there are things that I like but it's kind of a a mixed package in terms of the analysis because it's a bad Park it's a bad team but he's looked really really good what's your interest level in Connor Norby here for the final three weeks and also again to kind of keep the theme going you going to have any interest heading into 2025 uh for the final three weeks I want him everywhere I can very excited about what we're seeing from him young player getting some run he seems to get better he even had a slump at one point and we've seen a break out of that he's got a seven game hitting streak starting off Monday here so that's pretty promising um so I I am loving that and in 2025 I want him a lot uh you know you're going to join me later today on bench with Bubba kind of talk about the early 2025 draft and um Norby wasn't picked and I was actually thinking over the weekend seeing his that line that I'm like Norby might be one of my top options coming back in the the 12th round when we kick things off because I need a second baseman and the fact he'll be second base Third Base well next year he might be Third Base only in NBC so keep in minding that um but for the rest of the season here second base Third Base I love Conor Norby and this is a guy I'm very excited about going into the next season something else to keep in mind is that for this week they are facing a bunch of lefties and he destroys left-handed pitching so if you're looking even for just a shortterm hitting stream Conor Norby is one of the top options that you can find still available in a lot of leagues too um just taking a look at Yahoo Norby is on what are we talking about here 56% of roster so bit of a tossup but you'll probably probably can find him if it's a bit of a shallower format and I think he is worth starting in a lot of cases um let's go to the three up and three Down paven Smith we mentioned earlier one of the games of the season three home runs eight driven in if you played him in DFS or if you happen to say okay let's just stream paven Smith today what's the worst that can happen you did very well for yourself a funny thing that I also learned yesterday just going through Fang graphs of anybody who has thrown a pitch this year paven Smith has the best Stuff Plus at 206 it's because of the Obscure nature of the delivery or something I'm sure it was one inning but uh yeah the two-way player coming out of nowhere is paven Smith out there in Arizona sticking in Arizona Yano Suarez four for five with a home run four run scored a couple driven in he's been incredible like he has gotten to the point where he's like a top 90 or 80 play overall for the season after he did essentially nothing for the first half he's just been on fire and then Jared Jones seven Innings of two-run ball with nine strikeouts against Washington he looked very very good yesterday um Bubba among this group hav Smith Suarez Jared Jones any major thoughts rest of season here on this group it's auno Suarez for me like I had him dead to rights I know I was not alone at one point I'm like Jordan Lawler's about to get called up AO H's get DFA he's been that bad and then Lawler gets hurt yet again and then hoo finds the Fountain of Youth and we thought okay it's a couple weeks it hasn't stopped like the dude's just mashing everywhere and I'm very thankful I grabbed a couple shares when I could because it's been beautiful thing to see man I wish I did I wish I did he has been I mean we the term League winner is thrown around a lot but if you saw Suarez sitting on your waiver wire and you picked him up right when this was getting going there's a good chance you're looking pretty good right now and you're still listening to the show because you are still in the hunt I'm going to the three down Kaden Dana Angels rookie pitcher not good stuff five earned runs and seven hits over one inning miles michelas if you thought about streaming him in against the weak Seattle Mariners your season could be over because of it two innings six-run ball with nine hits allowed he did strike out of three for all the good it did you but not good stuff for Michaels and then finally Noel Marte 0 for four with three strikeouts Bubba I don't know what to make of noeli Marte but coming off the peed suspension he's hitting a buck 99 four homers six stolen bases are we starting to think that maybe there was some impact of the Peds that now he's feeling without it I mean I don't want to read too much into it because he was such a great Prospect from such a young age I don't think that he was juicing in high school necessarily but what's the impact there and what does it mean towards your future evaluation of Marte it's I mean he's not as shiny of a toy as he would have been about a year ago but are we out on him at this point I think he's gonna be a very intriguing value next season because I think a lot of people are going to be out on him um I'm going to kind of chalk this one up to a Lost season between the St suspension and everything else he's young I don't think the talent just disappeared now could it have been steroid involved potentially like that's definitely an option but I still think he's a pretty darn good ball player so I think I'm willing to chalk this one up to just a a lot going on in a young man's head for this season and take the value of it in 2025 I think you're probably right yeah the price is going to be so cheap especially in the Casual you know home leagues ESPN Yahoo leagues he might not get drafted a lot of the time last couple rounds I don't mind taking a chance on him in that ballpark a year older etc etc things could turn around for him but man has has it been ugly um rest of season is there any need to roster him you think no no I dropped him in a lot of places already so I think I think you can wait for 2025 when it comes to nov morte that's totally fair let's move on to the injury updates finally finally Kyle Tucker made his return to the Astros lineup after three months plus being out I think it was I think it ended up being more three months it was like a 100 plus days he missed he was dhing both games over the weekend not much to do here other than put him back into your lineups and hope that he can kind of make up for lost time not going to happen all the way but hopefully he can hit a few home runs and steal a few bases down the stretch for you uh Luis Castillo had to leave his start early on Sunday due to a hamstring injury he's gonna undergo some testing today Bubba what's your early concern level here for Luis Castillo is he going into weekly lineups for you uh I think he's going to the iil that's my weekly concern so I think it seeson done essentially when it comes to Fantasy and they're just doing the Imaging to make sure that it's that kind of situation but leaving a game hamstring pitcher we've seen this all season long it's at least a minimum 15 days yeah and at that point I mean 15 days from now is the 24th of September season ends on the 29th yeah yeah maybe you get one start but I mean yeah the Mariners are I mean they're essentially toast at this point I don't think there's really much of a chance for them um certainly the division I think that is pretty much done what is it they're four and a half back in the Wild Card they're three and a half so maybe not fully done but this is definitely um a fatal blow for them if they have to lose castio for too long although pitching is a strength for them but I don't think this is going to Bowe too well um going forward for the Mariners tasa Hernandez avoided a serious injury after taking a Matt Boyd slider off of his foot on Friday all scans come came back negative so that is a positive I saw a couple questions about him in the chat but it looks like he's going to okay maybe we get a day off or two but avoided anything too serious there something interesting and we hadn't really mentioned him on this show but Trevor story came off of the I over the weekend he went two for seven in his first couple games back what's your interest level in Trevor store are you seeing him on the waiver wire are you picking him up very interested I talked about him with bub or Bloom bubble and Bloom last week and uh he was playing really well in rehab supposed to come back Friday or Saturday came back Saturday looks good I I'd be very very intrigued to going uh forward the rest of the season I wonder if we'll ever see story get back to Old Colorado Trevor story I kind of doubt it but that doesn't mean he can't have value in a top five lineup in a real hitters park could be a really interesting piece there for you if you are looking for is he just second base eligible at this point or is he Short Stop eligible in a lot of cases U I think he just Short Stop on Yahoo but he did have second base for a while didn't he yeah I think it's short stop maybe um he's I know he's playing short stop when he came back right now they moved sedan rafhael at a second so so it should be should be shortstop for sure maybe a little second base depending on your formats yeah maybe it was when they had maybe it was when Bogarts was there he had second base eligibility or something like that maybe I'm just I'm just caught in a different year at this point if he Short Stop only on Yahoo it's pretty much where he's going to be everywhere else yeah probably yeah that that's a fair point Yahoo all you got to do is you know fall over second base and they'll give you second base eligibility um Jeff mcneel is going to miss the remainder of the Season we talked about this last week everybody getting hit by pitches and injuries coming all over the place Jeff mcneel fractured wrist so he is done for the season it's a shame because he'd actually really turned his year around in the second half he' been a nice play for deeper leagues but not looking great for him uh at this point obviously he's done for the year um Gavin Stone also won on the I he was scratched from his start that was supposed to happen over the weekend with shoulder inflammation not good bubba I guess Gavin stone is probably in the same boat as Luis Castillo here likely done for the year yep you can move on from Gavin Stone that's for dartshire just looking at the Dodgers iil rotation is actually insane because all the the jokes are usually like okay you could make a you can make a rotation out of who they got on the I you could make two rotations out of who they have on the I glass now gonin Kershaw May River Ryan EMT Sheen Gavin Stone and yoshinobu Yamamoto are all on the injured list it's I I don't even know is there anything I mean people have talked about how the Dodgers can be a little reckless maybe or something and they cause these pitching injuries Ines I haven't dug into that at all is there any truth to that that the Dodgers maybe cause some of these injuries or is that just nonsense you think I know Yamamoto coming over from Japan Kershaw's old glass now from Tampa um there are a lot of those guys that were from their system though the stones the shens the Ryan like there is something there so I don't there's probably a little bit of yes a little bit of no I'm not going to go full accusatory I think the rays are more to blame for their issues than the Dodgers are for theirs but um there is something to team context with certain injuries for sure something I want to dig into bit in the offseason too is usage not not in-game usage but how teams prepare I think this is like an Eno question probably but like the behind the scenes strain that goes into pitching development our team like in terms of how many pitches guys throw in warm-ups how many pitches they throw on off days I feel like Eno there's probably an article out there or something but it's not just the in-game stuff that impacts a pitcher obviously like that's the thing that gets the most press and we see it but that's 100 pitches the guys throwing tons of pit just throughout the week and I wonder like how much the actual training part of it actually U impacts what happens to Pitchers I don't know again that's probably a question for Eno or somebody a lot smarter than us but something I want to dig into over the course of the offseason a little bit um couple of more pitchers and then we'll move on Max sherzer had a great rehab outing it was uh four scoreless Innings striking out eight there was some talk he was know pulled with a perfect game or something like that I saw this tweet go out and I was like I don't think Max Sher gives a crap if he throws a perfect game in the miners it would be a footnote on his resume at best he could return this week for Texas at this point I guess sherer's going into our lineups right when he comes back because we don't have a lot of time but is he though like are you at all concerned about starting Sherer in his first uh first time back on the mound nope if he's good to go I'm good to go he could reagate it in one pitch I'm not naive to that but if he's good enough to pitch I'm good enough to take the results he's going to bring with it so sherzer will go right back into Lup for me I think I agree and the same thing can be said about Jacob deg gram who we mentioned last week looks like his season debut is coming at some point this week the Rangers have Arizona and Seattle I think based on everything we would all prefer that comes against Seattle because Arizona's been a great offense but I mean it's Jacob deg Grom right if he's facing the 27 Yankees we're probably putting him in our lineups I don't think there's any any case where you wouldn't start Jacob deg Grom right there's there's no situation where you'd want to bench him at all no but you'd have to have one heck of a pitching staff that to not need to start Jacob the Grom at this point in the season so yeah the gromet is for me I I think there's probably unless it's like like an eight Team league like you said you just have a a loaded staff and you don't need to take the chance then maybe don't but I think in most cases here you're pretty safe putting Jacob deg gr back into your lineups Bubba it's time when we talk about the Best Bets of the day again presented by our friends over at bet 365 use that promo code guys five bucks gets you 150 in bonus Bets with that promo code leading off Bubba what do you have for us today on the betting side well well I'm not a big fan small slate but we're attacking Walker beer folks I know there's a question in the chat that asked if we are trusting berer I am not um give me Pete Crow Armstrong over half a run for plus 165 odds used that one last week and it paid off it's a runs are tough but I think there's some offense to be had here and Cody Bellinger coming back to LA over one and a half total bases at plus 145 would I almost took Cody as my home run call the day just for fun uh and then we'll stick with Chicago but go with the white socks take on cantio of Cleveland who is horrible 7 plus ER give me lubob over one and a half total bases at plus 125 coming off a big Sunday game so I'll take those three at plus 125 or better odds I Like It Bubba is the plus money man I Friday how did you do on Friday Bubba I had a bit of a tough Friday I think Friday was one and two or so it wasn't a good Friday swept Wednesday Friday wasn't so great Wednesday we were on fire Friday I think I was one and two as well so we're getting back on the horse today and that's why I'm not going too crazy with my picks I'm going with some favorites and we're starting off with Paul SK Marlins strikeouts that's I mean for me over six and a half for Paulk against the Marlins feels very attainable as long as they don't pull any weird crap and pull them after four Innings or something like that I think that this is a pretty easy one minus one60 the books also expected to happen look who's in the chat though Ryan Bloomfield bub the plus money man he's going to have to use that one so make sure we're tuning into Bubba Bubba in the bloom so we can hear Ryan use Bubba's new nickname my second bet Kyle Hendricks over two and a half earned runs he's facing the Dodgers and they said it at two and a half I would have thought this one when I went to check I was like it's GNA be at three and a half it's GNA be too high if Kyle Hendricks doesn't allow threee runs against the Dodgers then there's something wrong with the Dodgers lineup because he is beyond cooked there's no need for Kyle Hendricks to be pitching at this point he is simply doing it because the Cubs are desperate for starters with Justin steel going down against the dod I think this is a very easy one and then I mentioned him before Tyler Mcgill and I mean Ryan is another in the chat if he's still there another Ryan Tyler Migel guy going back for years we've been we've been fans of his but Vladimir Guerrero over one and a half total bases at plus money still feels like a very good betat Vlad has cooled off a little bit over the last couple weeks and that's only been a 335 batting average so I think that there's still a very good chance that he is able to get a couple bases tonight against Tyler McGill so just a recap paulski over six and a half strikeouts k Hendricks over two and a half earned runs Vlad Guerrero over one and a half bases and for Bubba peer Armstrong over 0.5 runs Luis Robert over one and a half total bases and Cody Bellinger also over one and a half total bases all of those are available with our friends at bet 365 again use that promo code guys get yourself some free goodies as we enter into the final few weeks of the Season Bubba one last thing to do before we sign off today and that is the home run call and I think you've already kind of hinted at who you're gonna go with today yeah it was almost belly bombs but we're going with lubob Tak in cantio deep it's a I I think it's a big day for L Bob and the white sock might actually know they've scored seven runs on Sunday they might do it for the first time all I'm just guessing first time all season in back toback games it's it should be a good game for for shy toown I'm going with my most Niche home run call of the Season here people are going to laugh at me but I'm going with Danny Jansen and the reason is because Danny Jansen destroys left-handed pitching it has been a bit tough for him recently but against Kade Povich a guy who has struggled quite a bit throughout his first goal around in the big leagues I know he destroyed the white socks last week Bubba and I could probably shut down the white socks on a given day so I'm not reading too much into that Kade Povich start I am thinking Danny chansen getting back in the lineup tonight is gonna take one over the green monster against Kate Povich so that is my home run call for the day Bubba any final thoughts here before we sign off no just good luck to everybody saw a lot of championship week stuff going on in the chat if you guys have any questions hit me up on Twitter I'll try to help you out before your locks and everything but other than that no my friend I'll actually see you in a few hours we'll do this all over again different format same same bat time different bat Channel if you're not sick of us then go check us out you'll find the links over Twitter at BD entri for Bubba Joe oo99 for myself and we'll be back again on Wednesday this is a full Joe and Bubba week like we mentioned earlier Welsh was supposed to be on but football commitments week one and everything it does get in the way this time of year so gonna be a lot of Joe and Bubba going forward if you guys like what you're hearing please leave a rating and review on the podcast subscribe wherever you're listening if it's on the YouTube side if it's on the the podcast side really helps those numbers to stay steady throughout the offseason and we are going to have Fantasy Baseball content coming at you whether it's well stent Dynasty stuff I got a couple ideas I'm sure Bubba will do some stuff there's a lot of stuff that's gonna be going on so make sure you 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