The Rise of Tim Walz and Fall of JD Vance - Beer Cheese and Politics Episode 2

welcome to beer cheese and politics the show that only exists because my co-host cannot uh bring himself to attend therapy and discuss his anxieties with the world like a normal person uh my co-host is Ethan blue uh Ethan how you doing oh buddy oh pal oh friend of mine well I think um it's a little unfair to say that I'm not willing to talk to a therapist because you're my therapist so whether you yes I I should point out to our audience that I am not a therapist I am not a doctor and neither is the internet uh but yes uh this show we talk about uh things all things Wisconsin whether it's beer cheese or politics and we do like to focus on issues that are specifically relevant to Wisconsin and Wisconsin nights I as I mentioned M ran Whitehead uh in terms of my experience with politics I am a former Legislative Assistant and current policy analyst for the state of Wisconsin uh my stops include the department of health services the Department of Transportation and the Bureau of child support it is important to note that any opinions we might Express today are our own and do not reflect an official position of the state or the agencies uh for which we do work uh Ethan do you want to introduce yourself nope well then I will do that my esteemed colleague here which I should be referring to as Dr blue is in fact a uh doctoral recipient and currently is a professor for the University of well the uh Technical College of uh Nicola out of Rylander Wisconsin I don't know the name of your univers that was a struggle that was a struggle the the best the best college in the world nicolay College that's how I refer to it um so also worth noting again even though you said it the views and opinions expressed on this podcast are our own and not representative of any affiliate employer so on so forth whatever the [ __ ] you want okay go ahead well we can't use that disclaimer anymore all right uh so it has been eight days Ethan since to uh your anxieties regarding the state of the world I do feel a little better I I was going to ask do you feel that you have been cured of your uh terminal anxiety regarding uh life in general no not not cured um there's a couple things I do want to touch on though so last week we talked about Biden dropping out of the race and I said I've kind of been killing it with guesses lately there was a couple guesses I made at home and then the guess about Biden I whiffed on the vice president thing I thought that Tim Walls was going to be um no excuse me thought Josh Shapiro was going to be the vice uh presidential pick and I'm usually fair to you but In fairness to you A lot of people whiffed on the VP pick prediction Yeah Tim Walls was not even on my bingo card I got to say Tim Walls was not even on my bingo card Tim Walls to me was the tool that you find in the closet and you're like what the [ __ ] does this thing even do and then I saw him do no offense to Tim Walls we we should well no yeah no no offense to Tim Walls because I just didn't know who he was which is you would think I would know a neighboring State's Governor but I don't so I I had no clue who the guy was um and so I but then I saw him I watched the Philadelphia their kickoff and he kind of crushed it and I was like oh that's what the [ __ ] it does you know like I was like I got I get it now because so some of the analysis that I've heard over the past week was like um Josh Shapiro this may not be true but it could be interpreted that Josh Shapiro is kind of cut from the same cloth as KLA Harris for example um both prosecutors both Highly Educated both kind of um tempered around the edges uh they're very much kind of the skilled but traditional politician and I think it's surprising given well this is a stereotype of course but just given Tim wal's age it is surprising I think to a lot of people that he is like the internet Savvy candidate like a lot of his success has come from you know like the the really short form like the Tik toks and you know the the brand of the internet that's younger than than us and that that I you know haven't even haven't even uh dove into because I'm I'm not a Tik Tok I'm not a Tik Tok guy at all so I don't really know I know my wife watches it a lot um but I'm not an Instagram guy really either I don't do a ton of social media um but when I saw Tim do his speech and there's a few things you can say about him one he seems like a likable guy and by most accounts he appears to that appears to be the case um two he doesn't really talk like a politician he sort of just kind of talks like our friends dads uh when we were kids um except I will say he's much less scary than my friends dads were I remember being terrified of my friends dads um Mr M I don't know what kind of friends you have Mr Matthews just got home from his third shift at the factory and he's [ __ ] angry just clear um well you see kids in the 80s there was not a non-existent chance that your friend's dads would hit you and if that happened and you told your parents they'd say something along lines of well then maybe you shouldn't have been crack and wise you know what I mean it a different time it was a different time so I understood this point out I feel like we should also point out that childh ABS is a serious issue and if you are someone you know require 800 number we we'll put some sort of 800 number in the show description yeah well you can definitely tell kids and I'm not advocating for this but you can definitely tell kids aren't afraid of adults anymore which is good um but it was a different time then so anyway I when I saw Tim Walls do his thing um I had a much better understanding of what they were going for would you would you agree was that your takeaway as well I mean you know I probably did not know enough about the governor of a NE neighboring state as I should have either but what I had heard about uh Governor walls is that he uh was a c a candidate that knew how to communicate via the Internet uh and you know knew how to communicate on issues that were Central to progressives and so he was maybe more popular than than Governor Shapiro with um the kind of the progressive wing of the democratic party uh and you know I think his success thus far has has borne that out interesting though Ryan because if you look at his record in Congress yes Rel Cong record is is different Democrats he is almost leaning right uh for for the Democratic party if you look at his hisg record but then you look at you know what they've been able to pass in Minnesota with like a one uh a one seat deity uh a lot of that stuff has been you know part and partial to the the Progressive Movement within the party um so you know people are complicated people contain multitudes and you know these are nuanced issues and and there can be reflection and disagreement and and that's all fine um well in some of those Progressive issues um in terms ofll medium so so oh yeah excuse me I'm using ear quotes I'm using ear quotes for those not seeing this on YouTube yeah good good call um some of those Progressive issues are wildly popular with the general population including Democrats Republicans Independence and otherwise yeah um when I when I when I in that cont context when I say progressive issues I mean issues that have been either through Republican campaigning or media Outlets have been kind of pinned as like you know being championed by Progressive Representatives sure um you know not necessarily that they're unpopular it's just something that has been attributed kind of like the the marching call or the siren Call for for a lot of of the more Progressive wing of the party but yes we're talking about things that you know truly have brought appeal I mean it it it the the progressive wing of the party um you know isn't isn't what I would argue is a fringe group you know it's really focused on basically what I would characterize as trying to get the country to live up to the ideals that it's always said it's tried to espouse and has had varying degrees of success in actually delivering on some of well that's just I mean when you when you compare our again air quotes far left or I mean to far right and I don't you know it's hard to define those terms um but if you look at magga Republicans for example most of what they propose from a policy standpoint is not popular even amongst their base like the only reason that it's popular is because it's coming out of their mouths but when you actually survey those people um and you don't survey them from standpoint of it being a Democratic or republican policy most people don't love their policy most people don't love tax breaks for billionaires because the effects are supposed to trickle down most people don't love that stance most people don't love taking away birth control options most people don't love the abortion ban um so yeah Tim Walls I Tim Walls there's kind of this joke on the internet that he has big D energy big dad energy right um The Daily Show did this really funny bit where uh in this in this in this bit Tim Walls had become the vice president and I think it was the Secret Service was saying something to him like Mr Wallace will be leaving soon we just need to change the oil on on this or whatever and uh Tim is like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa don't call the Pentagon they'll charge you a fortune for that all you got to do is remove this bolt and he's underneath the plane [ __ ] oil spilling on him and stuff it's really funny so um yeah so I I I think I've kind of taken the walls pill I sort of get it I still don't know strategically if it's the right choice um it's definitely it's definitely the right choice from the perspective of he knows how to get a lot of eyes on him whether whether he's doing it purposefully or not there's something about him that makes a lot of people interested in him um I don't know if Shapiro would have had that same energy or or not um Shapiro strategically obviously as we discussed well very popular in Pennsylvania um won by like 10 or 12 points or something he was running against Doug mastriano which was not a good candidate but be that as it may still very popular in the state um for both progressives and conservatives uh and Pennsylvania as we talked about is like the must-win state right and this is has been said to death and and you know that that's why I think we don't need to spend a whole ton of time on you know the the state of of everybody's vice president um because it's just not clear how much it actually matters right you know like you made the good choice unless you happen to lose Pennsylvania by a half a point that you know that that's basically what it comes yeah well and too you know some of the stuff is a little bit hard to measure because um kamla Harris and Tim Walls are are doing something right now that Donald Trump I think was previously better at and that's just getting headlines it's just getting attention yeah and so if the attention that Tim gets for whatever reason whether it be jokes on The Daily Show or people doing Tik toks or whatever if that encourages a handful of people to vote um I Heard on I think it was pod save America I think one of their guests said that we are also not affiliated with them although if they would like us to be yeah that'd be fun um I believe it was them so I'm sorry if I'm getting this wrong but one of their guests said that the presidential election in Wisconsin Wisconsin was won in 2020 by Biden by an average of two votes per Precinct mhm two votes per voting Precinct that is as razor thin as you can get I mean that is toy that is close so yeah when and when I think too like it was already that close for Biden and so I I definitely think he made the right decision drop here's when I knew you know I knew I I guessed that Biden was going to drop out here's when I knew it was over before he said it it was when Pelosi was on Morning Joe Nancy Pelosi was on Morning Joe the interviewer said um do you think that Joe Biden should drop out of the race and she said I think the president needs to make his own decision on that well at this time bear in mind that the president had already multiple times said I am staying in this race full stop and the interviewer pushed back to Pelosi and said but but Joe Biden has said he's staying in the race full stop and again she repeated I would like the president to make this decision on his own and I interpreted that not as she wants Joe Biden to make this decision but as he needs to do this or I will do it for him yeah Joe Joe Biden needs to make the decision that I agree with uh that you know we we were talking about uh Tim Tim Walls coming off as like the internet's dad that to me um and all respect to to Nancy Pelosi came off as very like Angry wife energy like you know I know we need to we need to discuss this and make a decision together well I thought we already made a de we need to discuss this again decision to you know like it's like when my wife wants a and I want Z and we settle on something in the B to C range something like that um the other thing too is once Biden once Biden dropped out I didn't realize how hard I was clenching every time I saw Joe Biden in public right because after he dropped out and it was presumed K was going to be the nomination ah [ __ ] was just walking up those plain steps I mean it was like gravity didn't exist to that woman like just she said you remember the scene from Austin Powers where Elizabeth Hurley's character W this is a real topical episode okay so kids for those of you that don't know you have to you haven't seen atin comedy movie it's so good from the 90s it's so funny it's so funny so so Elizabeth Hurley's character is laying in bed and Austin Po's like behind that half wall and he's like maybe I should just take the elevator and he sort of slowly goes behind that wall or maybe I'll take a Rob out and he sort of does this and it looks so funny or whatever I'm like that's what K Harris looked like going up those goddamn steps and I just I felt like the first time I could take a deep breath in six months you know it's like oh yeah gravity can't even stop this woman so it was I think just the collective sigh I know I'm kind of jumping around but that's what popped into my head so I mean I would clarify I don't think Nancy Pelosi had like unilateral power to of dictate whether the president decided or not but the but the more of those high-profile colleagues that you have within your own party going maybe you should think about you know a different direction the harder it's going to be to like go It Alone well I I don't think Nancy Pelosi had unilateral power I I would argue that you know from the outside looking in it is likely difficult to overstate the influence that n has the Democratic part she is a very influential figure she she you know been she had been you know um kind of the the legislative leader of the party for you know um long time a interminable length of time um and and uh or indeterminate length of time since I I can't recall uh exactly when very good at rallying Republicans um one of the best like will go down in history as one of the most effective speakers of the House of all time well rallying Democrats probably better than well yes that was that was my point is that you can rally to people on your team going across the aisle yes yes we should clarify um so I have Ryan baby little white oh what are you drinking today so you brought something today I I were we going to go with yours or or with no let's let's just go with both let's just go with both go ahead oh we're going to do both okay I have a local I have a local Green County beer from the the new the new glaris Brewery newus or yeah or if you're Seth McFarland New Glarus called Spotted Cow uh and and you have a more Northern uh so I have Lin and cougal which is um this is called Northwoods Amber uh so it's pretty good um I I love L and cul's beer um I've never had Northwoods Amber before um I will say that I think Spotted Cow is one of the one of the best one of the all-time greats um for me but this Northwoods Amber is pretty good you have to cut that out that's GNA be terrible what the the like like horrible clink and and banging no was really good so um yeah so I I put together I thought we'd do the show slightly different today I got some clips I spent some time kind of going through different news organizations and picking and uh out some clips relative to the Past week's news excuse me and I know you haven't seen them um but uh I'm gonna I'm G to play some of these and I want to get your reaction so this this first clip here is so this was from the speech that Tim Walls gave in Philadelphia I don't know did you watch the whole thing I I did not I I have had a whirlwind week and I am am not my usual uh eyeball deep in in all the the latest Clips I know you got a lot going on right now but um so so he had a couple zingers um and this was one of the zingers uh from from the presentation that they gave which I thought was pretty funny so I'm going to pull this one up and make no mistake violent crime was up under Donald Trump that's not even counting the crimes he committed so pretty good I thought it was pretty good so um that I feel like that's been a a oneline that that you know anybody on the Biden campaign staff has just kind of been begging to use um because because that I mean it's funny but it's also loow hanging fruit that's been sitting there for a long time yeah well right I I would agree I would agree with that so the next clip uh the next clip is there's a meme going around about um JD Vance so JD Vance wrote a book called hillbilly elegy I think it is called and um which have have either of us I have not have you read it I have not read it no so I actually heard it was a good book like to give give the devil is due I heard it was actually a good book it did it make I feel like it it was on like a New York Times best it was a bestseller yes although the the interesting thing about JD Vance is that he kind of paints himself is this every man um he is a millionaire bankrolled by billionaires um much of his success not to say that he didn't work hard he went to I think Yale law school or something he he I know I know he has a degree from Yale yes yeah so I mean not to say that he didn't although he he was born into poverty yes yes yes okay so not to say that he didn't work hard or whatever but um he's definitely thrown thrown in his lot with an interesting Bunch so yeah I feel like JD Vance is one of those individuals that like in the in the modern kind of Republican party there are a distinction between people that I feel are like genuine Believers like they genuinely have bought into the kind of magga stance of like immigration is bad transgenderism is bad you know kind of for want of a better term otherizing mindset yeah and there are those folks I think that like really don't wholeheartedly commit to the ideology they but they recognize a good grift when they see one yeah and right yes and yeah and and JD Vance to me strikes me as the person that although I don't think he was always in that that kind of otherizing Camp I think he has been genuinely um not transformed but genuinely persuaded uh that that that's where I heard that from a few is is so like I don't think he was always this very Hardline social conser has genuinely made that transformation um so a transgendered friend former former friend I guess now JD Vance came out and discussed their former relationship and apparently they were good friends and he was very supportive um so apparently his views have since changed um and in a lot of ways I feel kind of bad for JD Vance because you know if assuming what he says is true if he had a rough childhood if he was kind of like the chunky weird kid like he might be on this path because he people were cruel to him and if that's the case I that's sad um so anyway so now that I've said that and feel bad for him I'm about to trash him so um so there's a meme going around about there's a there's a fake excert this is this is not really in the book it's fake but has something to do with JD Advance um being romantic with a couch so um I don't know the origins of this but go ahead I well I I had questions but I I don't know if we want to if we want to go down that ra I mean feel free to ask I don't know much about the whole situation but feel free to ask so well we've already acknowledged this is this is not in the book so this is not in the book no so was this was this like some sort of investigative EXP or or what are we talking about here based on my experience with the internet I'm guessing somebody just said you know what it would be funny if we said J F [ __ ] so this is basically just unfounded Internet it's a it's a meme I think it's just nonsense okay all right I think it's just supposed to be funny nonsense although you know then that that renders my other questions irrelevant because I was gonna get into age and how we've all been through puberty and I I do have a comment on that but um real off topic with this FKS so bear in mind um that Meme of JD Vance allegedly writing about [ __ ] a couch so let me share um and I shouldn't even say allegedly he didn't really do it it's just a joke and I got to tell you I can't wait to debate the guy [Applause] that is if if he's willing to get off the couch and show up [Applause] so so there you go yeah had you not like to me that's just what you say like if somebody's like just doesn't want to do it yep or like or like can't be bothered to be there either they're not motivated or they're lazy or whatever so like had you not said anything I would have just been like he's calling JD Vance lazy or something uncommitted you know not necessarily lazy but but not does it care enough to be there that is literally exactly how I interpreted it because I was not aware of this the only reason I became aware of this is cuz I heard somebody else talk about it um but but but the smile look at the [ __ ] smile on this guy's face he I was just going to say he has a he has a this guy knew what he was talking photogenic smile yeah this [ __ ] guy knows what he's talking about he's like J I mean it does irritate me because I mean I realize most of our five people in the audience you know would be listening to this not necessarily watching [ __ ] we got like between audio and video and everything we got like 50 to 100 total pretty good so uh is our family that big I I didn't realize we had that my family is full of Republicans so they're not listening to this that's uh so so for for those that don't have the benefit of a visual medium I have a face for radio and as you know a voice for silent films so uh you know like I said this podcast exists because Ethan uh will not discuss his problems with the therapist like a normal person listen Ryan I would make the argument I would make the argument that men have for a greater period of time solved their problems by drinking with their friends than they ever have by going to a therapist agree or disagree true or not I agreed agreed either his campaign or he was was was basically very good at like doing the short form internet things so like Tik toks and clips and you know things of that nature um he I I think he was the one that got the Democratic party on the the whole let's call our opponent's weird thing I think that was the turning point was the weird thing um and the one thing I will say that that you know now that um Harris is at the top of the ticket that the Democratic party now is has been able to maintain initiative over the Internet narrative rather than react to it um you know the other thing too Ryan is that I never thought of JD Vance I never thought of magga Republicans as weird I thought of magga Republicans as scary and dangerous but you know what they are [ __ ] weird I'll give you an example another thing I was thinking go ahead to be really nerdy I think it was Mel Brooks like way back in the day that was like the the anecdote to Fascism is mockery like did Mel Brooks say that Mel Brooks has just been dropping gems since the day I really hope it was Mel Brook otherwise I was just wrong on the internet and it's all over oh no oh no you're [ __ ] wrong on the internet you're going to go down in history Jesus Christ so you know I I would say this probably happened to me maybe 10 days ago I was thinking to myself I was watching Trump run his mouth about something and I thought to myself I've never seen this guy laugh not one I cannot think of a single time where I have seen Trump laugh and then again referencing pod save America I think love it brought that up he's like I've never seen Trump laugh I was like holy [ __ ] I'm not the only one who hasn't seen Trump laugh that is weird pictures of him with that really kind of like really kind of lopsided grin that he does like I don't I mean I don't know and who knows if that's even genuine laughter I don't know if we call that laughing or not but I I feel like I've seen plenty of photos with him with like a goofy looking grin on his well oh sure a goofy looking gri but I mean like a a laugh a laugh the other thing too is I think Tim Walls brought up the example of like can you even Envision Donald Trump like throwing a ball for his dog like not to say that everybody's a dog person but like just the action yeah of Donald Trump doing anything like that is so bizarre to think about it's like this guy's from a different [ __ ] planet I mean in fairness I would have had trouble picturing Joe Biden doing that too by the end of it but um well that's a different scenario I mean you're talking about a physical limitation but yes you could definitely see him doing that and it's like yeah that is that is really weird like what is the I'm so [ __ ] over and I think I think maybe kind of a lot of people are I'm so [ __ ] over the grievance politics like every time you see farri Republicans every time they open their mouth they're [ __ ] complaining about something like are they're the we love our country party yet every time they talk they just [ __ ] Non-Stop about how terrible it is and it's the world's coming to an end and [ __ ] immigrants and gay people and transgendered people are going to destroy the country and it's like it's I it's tiring I think I mean hasn't everybody been around someone who just complains all the time that [ __ ] is [ __ ] tiring granted they you know 25% of people in America or whatever that number is that is like the really hardcore Trump base the really hardcore Trump base they'll never get sick of it they they eat it up they love it but I think everybody else is like this is exhausting I don't want to be around somebody who just [ __ ] all the time and I think that's something that Tim Walls he's kind of the opposite of that he's kind of funny and fun and the the other thing is that like bitching is not a policy platform like if you if you think our ideas suck fine fine our ideas suck offer an alternative like give me an example of a reasonable wellth thought out alternative that Mega Republicans have ever made one yeah we we could be here a long time the the current the the current state of the Republican platform is is very grievance heavy and and it's light on substance I mean when when the status quo is bad there's really two things that you can do um like I think we can all agree with the anti- uh anti-incumbency kind of sentiment that is really kind of sweeping the globe at the moment we can all agree that that most people are and they have legitimate reasons to be dissatisfied with the status quo uh and there's two responses to that one is to analyze the system and come up with meaningful reforms and do a lot of work to see that those reforms are implemented in a consistent way that requires a lot of follow through because it it requires a lot of change management and change can be hard and scary and you're going against tradition and the way things have been done in the past and it requires a lot of follow through to to not only decide what the change is going to be but then for want of a better metaphor pound the pavement and see that change through it's a lot of work work the other solution and I'll put that in our proverbial quotes is air quotes can see yeah is to is to point at a scapegoat and go it's their fault this is why I have so many problems one one of those Solutions is a lot more constructively effective and the other one of those Solutions is a lot easier and I'll give you one guess as to which is which you know I totally agree with you you know what else is weird in addition to not offering any ideas what is their obsession with people's [ __ ] genitals like what I like you can't be gay you can't be transgendered like I just picture mag Republic I'm picturing margerie Taylor in her Lazy Boy just staring at the wall [ __ ] ruminating about people's groins it's like I I like it when people who have junk that looks like smacks together I [ __ ] hate that we got to do something about it like what what I I have so many problems I have so many problems like in the alternate universe where Ethan has no problems I can't even imagine myself being like okay well problems are solved now what well I know I'm gonna be pissed about people's junk that's what I'm gonna do like [ __ ] I find I would say that I find that more weird than [ __ ] a couch I'm serious because at least if somebody you know everybody's got a thing I've seen I've seen fetishes where people are like into balloons seen fetishes where people dress up like ponies and [ __ ] with their partner you don't know Ryan I might have a [ __ ] saddle in my closet um I'm not hurting anybody yeah um I would say if you have a saddle in your closet it's really not complete without a riding crop but but uh not talk to someone who knows not get too far off compare I'm we're not off topic we're talking about how weird this is this is weird [ __ ] up Behavior who cares who [ __ ] cares and and and I think though if you if you look at like a lot of authoritarian movements you know not ju not just kind of the current magga Republican movement but like you know the the quintessential one because it's it's the most famous and and for understandable reasons like you know the the Nazis would give out medals to to women for like having a bunch of Aran children now that's that feels you know gross and disgusting to like even say but like you know it was it was this obsession with like we want to propagate more of the ingroup and and ostracize like the other groups um I mean that would explain I guess why they want to control [ __ ] women's genitals too can't decide can't decide what to do with those yeah so it it's it's wrapped up in this whole well and and you've seen it even with with you know Trump's doubling down on his rather um shall we say disastrous appearance at the the National Association of black journalists where he's like is KLA Harris black or Indian and and it's like you you do realize like it's not like there isn't like a hierarchy here like again it goes back to kind of that those old kind of uh again failings of our where we failed to live up to our ideals you know there's there's a a history and a current state of racism in America and and it was in the past much more explicit about a racial hierarchy and and you can literally find you know textbooks like like the old kind of kooky and I'll use quotes again science of like prology and stuff like that where where they had a literal hierarchy of races and you know you you can see it in that kind of language it's it's even if they're not making the explicit connection it's kind of implicitly building off of you know there's these different kind of group groups of races and and they're they're trying to like categorize everyone into these these racially defined groups it's just which again is not backed up by solid science but it is kind of baked in maybe even subconsciously to to the the history and the the how that affects racism currently in America and and in people's mindsets um just so weird and gross and woman can't choose what to do with her body you can't teach kids God forbid you teach kids about their genitals I'll just tell them just tell them those don't exist because you know yeah and and kids w't do what people have been genetically for a long time right like as it turns out whether you're religious or not people [ __ ] like we do what we are genetically programmed to do for Generation upon generation as it turns out when your body is absolutely flooded with sex hormones [ __ ] happens yeah so we should probably educate people about that and there's study after study that like abstinence only education is not effective at you know preventing uh sexually transmitted infections pregnancy so on basically you and it it's not effective which for people who want to reduce the number of abortions to zero they should probably think about that and maybe think about universal healthcare and providing people birth control um the other obsession with genitals that they have is their own and and we'll we'll we'll get to that a little bit later come on now aren't we all obsessed with our own well noted but this is to a completely different degree and we will get to that later when I get to Trump talking about his crowd size for the record I am wearing pants right now a well damn um so okay where' we leave oh so back to JD Vance being a [ __ ] that I kind of want to hang out with because I feel bad for him um even though he's Rich so I feel bad for me in some ways [ __ ] that guy um so you are you are full of salt and vinegar today I am aren't I uh so JD Vance uh line of attack stolen Val Valor he is accusing Tim Walls of Stolen Valor because he um apparently walked out um not walked out left his um military station prior to deployment I'm going to share so this is something that I had actually heard of so I do have a little bit of knowledge on this yeah it's full of [ __ ] but before we get your analysis let's just um let's hear what he had to say okay now look what I what what really bothers me about Tim Waltz it's not even the positions that he's taken though certainly he has been a far-left radical you know what really bothers me about Tim Waltz as a marine who served his country in uniform when the United States Marine Corps when the United States of America asked me to go to Iraq to serve my country I did it I did what they asked me to do it and I did it honorably and I'm very proud of that service when Tim wall was asked by his country to go to Iraq you know what he did he dropped out of the army and allowed his unit to go without him a fact that he's been criticized for aggressively by a lot of the people that he served with so that is not true um yeah not accurate before I get your reaction again um let me share one more clip this is from former Governor Jesse Ventura Governor Ventura thank you so much for joining me this evening I'm really eager to hear your take on this because you are a former former Navy SEAL you served in Vietnam and I have to ask you what you think of this attack from the Trump Vans ticket on Governor wal's military service well Laura I'll tell you what I think I think it's shameful I think it's shameful that a veteran would attack another veteran uh Governor wal served honorably for 24 years in the National guard after 20 years you are eligible to retire at any time you deem necessary they talk about him missing his deployment well maybe Mr Vance should ask the real question what is the National Guard doing deploying to a foreign country in a foreign war well let's go into history and figure out how that happened that happened because George W bush and Dick Cheney went into the Iraq War based on lies no weapons of mass destruction no ties to Al-Qaeda nothing with 911 and they ran out of bodies they needed more bodies they couldn't Implement a draft that would be political suicide so what George Bush did was sign an executive order sending the National Guard into foreign deployment the National Guard is not for foreign deployment their name says what they do they guard our nation from within so this hogwash about Governor Waltz missing a deployment not only that he's 24 years he's an E9 I deployed twice we never even had an E9 with us when we deployed e9s are not going to walk the point they're not going to be involved in any combat whatsoever so um all all fair points that he made the uh the most important point point likely is prior to him even being told that he was going to be deployed um several months prior to being told that he was going to be deployed he had entered in his retirement paperwork well yes that that is the fundamental problem with this critique is that yes he served 24 years in in the guard after 20 you are eligible for full retirement again no questions asked um and he at 24 decided that he wanted to retire uh his his unit was not like not even deployed uh until after that time as I understand it they didn't even get word because because deployment also is not immediate typically what happens is you get mustard at a a base somewhere they they like do like a bunch of training to to make sure that like you know everybody is is up to up to scratch basically where it needs to be and then from that mustering base you would get deployed um you know they they weren't called up until after after this retirement so there there's a timing issue number one uh number two if if you look at how like guard guard retirements happen um like even if and and this isn't what happen but even if uh that unit were to get called up and you know somebody is is has served over 20 years and and they go uh I I'd like to retire like like the notice comes in the other way around where the notice to to be deployed comes in and then you put in your notice to retire happens all the time like that like that is not a rare like that is not a rare thing to happen where like if you have a lot of of tenure people that have been over in over 20 years and there is a deployment and they're like hey I got two kids at home I'm I'm going to put in my retirement like that totally happens it's it's not considered controversial um the the Guardsman in the service typically are like yeah you've done your bit you know go ahead if it it is a situation where like that particular position is is really critical or there are not you know adequate sort of backups for that particular position like there is a provision and it's called stoploss so say say that Tim had been in Tim Walls had been in the guard his 24 years let's say it happened the other way around because to be clear what actually happened was he put in his his retirement notice and after that was put in then the unit got you know orders to get called up okay that is the order where it actually happened let's say hypothetically if happened the other way around they got orders to get called up and then Tim wals were to say actually I would like to to put in my notice of retirement which again is not controversial unless you're running for political office uh let's say that's the way it happened if the guard were to be like well we don't have a replacement for you that we feel is adequately ready they can stop loss you and say in fact we're we're denying your request for retirement you have to go anyway so that too happens where you know if if there are folks that put in their notice requirement and and their branch of retirement yes um their Branch would be like you know they may let most of them go through but then for a few of them are like we don't have the Personnel or or the capacity to function without you right now and and it's Mission critical that you report they issue a stoploss and that retirement request for retirement is is null um so the the fact that the request for retirement was put in and the request for retirement was granted like as far as the guard is concerned here there is no controversy um so you know it it's really a disingenuous kind of interpretation of what happened especially considering again he was eligible for retirement four years before he retired four years prior to that and he had deed to Italy if he yeah so if he had just hit his 20 years you know got back from Italy and like I'm done you know right away like and then his unit is deployed like two three years later is that attack still going to come up probably because people will grasp at any straw it seems like these days but well you know what was weird though because Jesse venturo later on that interview went on to say that it's sort of an Unwritten rule even amongst service members who serve in Congress to not attack fellow veterans in reference to military service um so particularly at this one where somebody's drawing at straws it seems a little far-reaching U of an attack when there's so many other things that JD Vance could have easily gone after I mean you know Pres presumably his base does not like some of the more left-leaning policies that Tim wall supports attack that uh you you just make yourself look like an idiot uh when you attack when you make up false attacks that are demonstrably false and easily provable um so speaking of demonstrably false um Donald Trump had a press conference did you have the pleasure of seeing any of that I again because of this week have not watched any of that well you're in luck I did read that it was very long so I'm hoping it's not gonna be no so I just have some I just have some clips um the first clip I want to show you this is I believe it's Jake Tapper and Tom Foreman talking about what Trump talked about at this um press conference and some of his little white lies for that report let's bring in CNN's Tom Foreman uh who's digging into Trump's claims Tom it was a it was a long press conference I don't even know where you where a fact Checker would even begin but I I hand you the floor it was a torrent of misleading statements and falsehoods he said that uh that K Harris was the bordar under the Biden Administration we were reporting other news Atlas as well this way back in 2021 that was not the case that was overinflating her role in any event he said the Border was a giant collapse down there he inflated the numbers that he says are coming across right now Way Beyond where they are now and they've been declining um he also said something he said many times before that other countries all around the world are emptying their mental institutions and their prisons into people who are coming across US border into the United States zero proof of that we've never been given proof of that he says it over and over again he talked about the economy big issue for many people said we're on the verge of a depression not a recession a depression absolutely not true a depression in the big depression 1920s which he cited unemployment then 25% we're at 4.3% right now so not even close um he exaggerated the role that energy prices had in the economic downturn in this country saying that it was bad management of energy this is false gas prices were part of the equation but so was the backlog of demand and Supply problems Rel ated to the pandemic that led into it so that's another thing he he threw in there as he often does that if the Democrats take over they're going to force everyone to buy electric cars no that also is not in the plans uh and on and on it went with many claims about this but most of all he kept circling around when when he would come to one theme if there was a theme it was to say well KLA Harris is somehow behind all of this she's the problem with all of this through all of the falsehoods Jake I'd say the one truth we got is that she is getting under his skin Jake so that speaks exactly to what you were saying is um the scapegoat politics there is that uh you know it's her it's it's it really it wasn't even Biden Biden wasn't even involved actually it was just all KLA Harris's fault all of your problems are uh KLA Harris's fault so you know kind of trump playing the hits there but um demonstra false statements uh and he looked you know in So Much As Trump always looks a little bit crazy he looked it felt more unhinged than some of the previous stuff that I had seen from him it gives the impression of someone who's increasingly worried about going to prison uh he I mean it which you know again like look at look at any sporting event in America like when the team is winning everybody's sitting over there on the bench smiling you know clapping hands whatever you look at the losing team and everybody's got their heads down or you know there can there can be arguments you know like uh this is a campaign that that has gone from basically coasting to oh wait we we actually might have a a legitimate contest on our hands and yeah I think he's grumpy about it um yeah yeah that does appear to be the case so um speaking of the farri magga Republicans monopolization of people's genitals they also seem to be obsessed with their own um because Trump was completely preoccupied with the size of the crow that um that's knew I remember even after he he took the oath of office right you are there was right you are please stand by one news cycle where we had to talk about the size of the inauguration let's watch this let's watch this clip it's going to it's going to bring back memories Nostalgia baby Amy this was in many ways vintage Donald Trump on display um especially with this peculiar fascination with crowd sizes uh let's just run a little bit about what Mr Trump had to say about that important issue that so many voters care about but on crowd size in history for any country nobody's had crowds like I have and you know that and when she gets a thousand people and everybody starts jumping you know that if I had a thousand people would say people would say that's the end of his campaign I have hundreds of thousands of people in uh South Carolina I had 88,000 people in Alabama I had 68,000 people nobody says about crowd siiz with me but she has a thousand people or 1500 people and they say oh the enthusiasm is back no no the enthusiasm is with me and the Republican party just a remind reminder of how the Trump presidency began here's then White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer Donald Trump's brand new press secretary talking about his crowds at the inauguration back in January 2017 this was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration period both in person and around the globe that is just it's so funny because if you remember so a couple of things one was um you know they repeated this line they repeated this over and over and over again it was the biggest crowd of all time and then they showed photographic evidence of Barack Obama's inauguration versus Donald Trump's like not even remotely close um Barack Obama's crowd was significantly bigger but when when I hear crowd size I hear it's like um it's like the South Park episode um when I think it was like some kind of some kind of like Pokemon this G be from like season five and nobody reference either a a Pokemon like thing was getting super popular in America and parents were concerned about it or whatever so Bill Clinton goes to Japan and and meets with the Prime Minister Bill Clinton W all the way back he comes back and gives a speech and he's like I've met with the Prime Minister he has assured me that my penis is enormous perhaps the biggest he has ever seen and so it's just like it's just all I hear is this crowds side is just him like I you my dick is huge it's it's if my crowd's ever smaller than KLA Harris's it's only cuz my junk is taking up spaces where people could stand you know it's just like it's so small and St not I don't know what is penis I do have to ask stormmy Daniels about that but just the theory of this whole argument is so small and insignificant and stupid and before you comment I got one more Banger to show you about crowd size and this one's a real kicker um the trumpster really decided to outdo himself on this one here we go the biggest crowd I've ever spoken before was that day and I'll tell you um it's very hard to find a picture of that crowd you see the picture of a small number of people relatively going to the capital but you never see the picture of the crowd the biggest crowd I've ever spoken I've spoken to the biggest crowds nobody's spoken to crowds bigger than me if you look at Martin Luther King when he uh did his speech his great speech and you look at ours same real estate same everything same number of people if not we had more and they said he had a million people but I had 25,000 people but when you look at the exact same picture and everything's the same because it was The Fountains the whole thing all the way back to uh from Lincoln to Washington and you look at it and you look at the picture of his crowd my PR uh we actually had more people they said I had 25,000 and he had a million people and I'm okay with it because I liked Dr Martin Luther King this [ __ ] guy this [ __ ] guy is so worked up about crowd sizes that he needs to like try to somehow prove to people that he is more impressive and more important to um the American zeit G Zeitgeist than Dr Martin Luther King Jr so that's where we're at with Donald Trump just I mean h at least you know when when they showed the the clip of of Spencer you know as as like the press secretary like they were careful to say you know people and attendance and watching on TV because like you know more people have TV more people have cable like so over time you know if you look at Raw numbers only not like proportion or percentage Yeah like you're you're make an argument you're going to get bigger and bigger TV audiences right um it so there there is a way where you could you could interpret that yeah to potentially fit some actual data points regarding like TV ratings right plus if you count you know people that tuned in for like 30 seconds and then switched away like if you count that as a viewer you know like you know there there's ways that like you can make the TV viewership numbers look high right the trouble with that spin the trouble with that spin Ryan is that they undermined themselves in that own spin do you remember kellyanne Conway yeah she [ __ ] goes on the news and she's like it was the biggest in-person crowd ever and then they pushed back and they were like well no the facts are this or whatever and she's like well we gave an alternative set of facts or no alternative what was the phrase alternative facts or whatever and then the host is like alternative facts what are those like those are Li those are [ __ ] lies that's what those are called alternative facts are called lies it it does get harder when he when he's like look at the the dimensions of this of this one particular space and like from the window to the wall there's there's more people it's like yeah um like I just people can count I like I don't know how you um not to mention the tone deafness the absolute tone deafness of comparing January 6th to the I have the dream I Have a Dream speech yeah from the clip I wasn't sure if we were talking about the inauguration he was talking about January 6th he was talking in that particular one the crowd he was talking about January 6 I'm like you have to be on another [ __ ] planet to have the balls that you and not maybe not the balls just the stupidity you know so last week I was thinking about this too we discussed about um is it stupidity or is it genuine self- delusion or just like I I can't just a completely damaged child so remember we were talking last week about Trump trying to dist distance himself from Project 2025 yes and he's mentioned like dozens of times and multiple Administration members are um have written chapters in Project 2025 not to mention JD Vance wrote the forward of the book for the architect of 2025 but regardless I was thinking to myself there's only one potential explanation that I would actually believe when J When Donald Trump says I know nothing about project 25 2025 and that explanation is that this [ __ ] guy doesn't know anything about anything like by reports I have heard that people who have briefed him on a daily basis in the president's office have said that he it's like talking to a squirrel like he has he just he's so in his own world that he really has no clue what's going on around him so do I think most see with this campaign like he's done like what five campaign events in the last what month and yeah he's kind of really been ticket is doing five campaign events like this week I know well and I mean and I'm sure that's not the most likely scenario but it but that is the that is the most reasonable explanation why he wouldn't know anything about project 2025 because this guy doesn't know [ __ ] anything about anything he doesn't have any policy positions the only policy positions he has are whatever makes me more popular and if it benefits me great that's the policy position um okay so any other um any other comments on the trumpsters crowd size I I do not have any of it it's again it's hard to argue with counting I mean there are there are people that it's hard to argue with counting there are people that literally because there are concerns you know because when you have Gatherings that large you have to like you have to have infrastructure set up like you know there there are people that that have to look at you know there are concerns for for bodily function and and portable uh portable Laboratories and you know evacuation plans and safety and all of that like there are there are people who whose job it is to like count this stuff and and you know it when when you count up the numbers and it's math is definitive in that way now again I I will concede you know Simplicity is a lie when you get into some really advanced math it gets real weird real quick uh but but counting is not that yeah um okay so here's an update on on how the the other thing that he said in the press conference um to speak to your point about him not really campaigning is he said he didn't feel like he needed to campaign because he's so far ahead so keep that in mind as I play this next CLI which was true until like what two weeks ago C har to break that down us Harry what do these new New York Times show I've heard a lot of people about I yeah a lot of people I think this is the type ofing we' been waiting for in the great L talking about michig you go back to what you saw that pretty tight race Jo see more red blue on the all three of these states were States thatl one and look the typ of the Harris caign has been looking look in pyl migan and in all three of these states we see clear movement towards the Democratic Nom I will point out land in this particular but the Harris caign s points and Three Points whoops we lost it well anyways that that explains that so my favorite part of that video is where Harry enton goes yeah so so that was goingon to be my comment about about the anchor that introduced the the previous clip was now I don't watch a lot of that the 24-hour news networks I get most of my news from print sources um which is less immediate but uh does tend to be good and reliable because by the time you enter edited a print Source um it's you know it's it's generally been reviewed and fact checked multiple times which is nice but you can find you know poor poor reporting and poor data quality anywhere but the just the snark on the last anchor of like let's go back and look at the clip from the like it's just that and like cuz this is something that voters really care about snark I love that comment so funny Anor is like okay if we have do this Jak Tapper everybody yeah that was hilarious so this is the website I have pulled up right now is 538 right now they have Harris plus 2.3% um so that's all I got for federal you ready to talk about Wisconsin let's do that okay so I went to the Kyle kilborne fundraiser and they and they let you stay and they asked me to leave you must be Ethan I'll talk to you later no I so the lady that was there her name's Jackie very nice lady but um she said I listened to your podcast this lady had to be 75 80 years old and I was like my reaction put that out there you're not you're not even you're not even you're not even gonna you're not even going to like lowball it like no I mean there's nothing wrong with that there's nothing wrong with being 75 580 she was cool I liked her but but but I went oh no when she said I listen because it's like I it was like I was swearing in front of my grandma you know it's like oh [ __ ] I can't so sorry if she was offended by that I hope not but yeah parental advisory um I do drop some some bombs on this podcast we've been we've been putting our thoughts and opinions expressed reflect only the individual's advisory at the beginning we we left off the we left off the parental yeah this uh episode is not suitable for anyone maybe I should that's like the South Park advisory um so it was nice it was nice there was like maybe about 30ish people there um most people were retired retirement age um which was cool because they had you know good stories and good questions and everything I was a little disappointed not to see some of the younger generation and by younger I mean like in their 20s maybe um although I will say in Ona County our district in general the age 65 and up that population is growing and everything below that is shrinking um and I mean In fairness we're not in that demographic anymore no I know but I'm well we're in the we're in the under 65 demographic to my knowledge yes I I don't always feel like it but yeah well I hear that so anyway that was nice um you know had some snacks donated some money I got to talk to Kyle and his husband Chris um Chris is a software engineer so that was kind of nice we had something in common and then um Kyle had gotten his Doctorate in Denmark I believe so we had something to talk about there so it was nice um our district is a plus1 12 district for Republicans so it's an uphill battle as as he you know acknowledged but uh but I'm excited for him and wish him all the best so um I had a couple of Wisconsin topics that I wanted to throw at you and get your opinion on okay so this is being reported from Wisconsin watch Planned Parenthood of Wisconsin anticipates Iowa patients due to new abortion bans so the state of Iowa um has passed legislation Banning abortions past six six weeks which in many cases women don't know that they are pregnant prior to 6 weeks um Wisconsin did have a abortion ban on the books until it was overturned um I believe that happened in 2023 um and so plan Parenthood is expecting a uh large push of women from Iowa coming to Wisconsin for healthcare interestingly in that same disastrous press conference that Trump decided to give uh he was asked what role he thinks abortion is going to play in the election and he said um very little Next To None interestingly they haven't really won an election since dos so I suspect that they may be incorrect on that you have any thoughts or feelings well I I think that he is saying something that will have to be true for the Republican party to do well up and down the ballot um so from a campaign standpoint I understand the strategy of like oh this issue that we're really weak on yeah that that's not going to matter I mean I mean strategically I think that's kind of what you you say when you know you have an issue that's an unpopular issue that's an election loser or you change direction baby doll that's another option yes the other option is to re-evaluate and reing something yeah imagine that you know then then make an adjustment um but uh you know given but God God forbid we reflect on our positions and update them as deemed necessary given the the polarized state of politics currently I you're right I did not give that possibility it's you which is sad because we just don't give that possibility it's du another point about Tim Walls who said it has been done before like like the they remember um after you know after the Obama election like the Republican party did like a whole postmortem document you know because because they're like how did we lose you know blah blah blah like like a normal docent talked about you know some of these social issues are losers and we need to find a way to like become a more inclusive party and and you know have you know these conservative fiscal values but open up the tent to like the Next Generation and you know they they did that whole post postmortem about maybe we need to re-evaluate some stuff and then um you know Trump won the primary and they just kind of threw that document in the garbage but ah [ __ ] that we wrong let's just I will say though that there is there are challenges that exist with a wide net so the Democratic party casts a wide net which means you have a lot of diverse ideas and opinions um perhaps nothing more representative than what just recently happened with Joe Biden a lot of people felt that he should have stayed in the race a lot of people felt otherwise um you know we we did not fall into line people expressed their views and their opinions and um you know we came to an a conclusion and all got on the same team at this point behind KLA Harris uh but and that kind of that's a messy it can be a messy process yeah and and that kind of is a is an example or microcosm of what the academic research says about diversity I and I can't believe we're in this situation where where you're the the doctor and the professor and I'm the one talking about academic research but if you look I me I can take over if you like if you look at the research on diversity the general conclusion for most of those studies is diversity is more work but if you put the work in it's worth it pay outome pays off like right and and that's really kind of the whole idea behind the American government in general is like exactly We're a nation of immigrants and and a bunch of different people and a bunch of different ideas and we have this first amendment that says we're going to have this this open exchange of ideas and it is going to be this very diverse place and yes it's messy and it's chaotic and sometimes it's scary and change is hard but the we we do that because at the end of the day we believe that putting the work in will get us a result that is ultimately worth it um and I think that's something that that not to go back to the federal stuff but the Harris campaign has done a better job of emphasizing you know when they're like in this country you know we have two middle class people and and a woman of color that's now on a a presidential ticket and that's something as a country we should be proud of and and that is certainly true and and it's it's nice to inject that that acknowledgement that optimism into the presidential race and politics in general so the other thing I wanted to talk about from Wisconsin this was completely not on my radar so I'm curious if you know about this but under Wisconsin draw down election law one voter's error can disenfranchise another so this um is a law in Wisconsin that says if a voter makes an error say for example with an absentee ballot they send in an absentee ballot let's say they didn't sign it for example or they didn't have a witness sign it and if an election worker misses that and pushes it through the system and then they go to count the votes and somebody else catches it if they find the error at that point they take another another random ballot and throw it out because basically they are counting one invalid ballot as valid and if you throw that if you take out that invalid ballot the numbers don't match up right or it doesn't hash out correctly so if you have one you have have to take out another random one and just trash it which probably in 99% of cases doesn't have any practical outcome unless you have a presidential election in which it was decided by two votes per Precinct right so this is like I had no I apparently other places other states have had this as well most of them have gotten rid of it apparently there's only a handful of States left that does this but this is kind of crazy have you heard about this I mean yes I've heard about this is one of those quirks um like to give everybody an idea of of like how the sausage is made like there's a lot of election law quirks and and the more local you get the more uh you know the more it might discourage you uh so as an example this this was again back in my youth so so we're talking you know at least 15 years ago but uh one of my responsibilities was to stay on top of like local election results so municipal election results older person races those kinds of things and when you get into those real small municipalities you can sometimes end up with a straight up tie so say you have 25 votes for me and 25 votes for you for a a local Alder person or or Municipal treasurer for example uh a lot of those municipalities settle the tie via a little little coin flip in front of the local judge um so like you know the the when you when you get into like the nitty-gritty about democracy there there are maybe some better systems we can put in place right um so so yeah this is one of those quirks that I I was aware you're right it doesn't usually come up because like just statistically for that to be the deciding factor um you know we're talking real low numbers right the more polarized politics get and the more intractable different blocks of voter get different blocks of Voters get and so the more the the tighter the margins get for this group of what we're now deeming like swing voters the chances that these kind of things tip the scale are increasing not to like big numbers but they are increasing right um but yeah it's kind of like the political version of like double entry bookkeeping for anybody like in a small business that's ever done like accounting like if you put like a a debit into like you know your inventory account then then you need like a credit into you know your your your cash or your checking account or whatever so so there's like the two entries there the analogy is not perfect but it's kind of like that right um needs to match up but yeah I I do think there are there are better ways to do I mean there are better ways to do the vote like like we we haven't gotten on our soap box yet be about rank Choice voting but you know that's something that that we could look at too is like what do the different voting systems actually incentivize voters to do and is there is there a better way um because from top to bottom really like that's one thing I think our country could look at is like if we are dissatisfied with the way the government is run and I agree there are serious problems with polarization and stagnation um because it's real hard to get things through and the system is designed intentionally you know like by a bunch of very agrarian wealthy landholders that designed the Constitution you know over a century ago uh is designed to protect the status quo um and and and if we want to improve the way the government operates one of the things we should absolutely look at is the ways that that leaders are selected like because there are different ways to do it that incentivize different mindsets and different behaviors on the part of the voter and I think that sort of thing absolutely can matter um I I realize I made that topic bigger than than you originally started with it it's fine um it's fine but it does speak back to the point of the more polarized we get the tighter that elections become the more these kind of um archaic Rules start to matter well and and that's a nice thing about some of these other voting systems and use rank Choice voting because it's it's one of the more mainstream uh maybe mainstream is the wrong one but it's one of the more broadly known it's starting to break into the some states have think do Alaska have it I think I think there's some states that have it for state for like state election you you might be right um uh I know there are countries that definitely like Australia uses it nationally [Music] um and and I know there been states that have pushed for it yes um rank Choice voting is already being used all across the country in a wide range of jurisdictions as of the 2022 elections rank Choice voting has been adopted in 62 jurisdictions some prominent examples include Alaska Maine New York City Cambridge Massachusetts Minneapolis Minnesota and San Francisco California and again the research on this like there those types of voting systems are incentivized polarization less so so you're almost solving two problems at once because again the the kind of the the weird quirks of invalid ballots and and that sort of draw down um also have Le are less problematic the less polarized the they have less of an impact in that case yeah and so when you have a voting system that it also has the effect of reducing the tendency toward polarization you know that also helps some of that backend stuff as well um so we're already getting up to almost 90 minutes here so let's wrap it I believe you have um we talked a little bit about Eric Hy last week but sounds like you spent some additional time just you and Eric hanging out well I I have not had the pleasure of meeting the gentleman um you know I I know you had asked me you know kind of what my thoughts were on Eric Hy and we haven't really done a county Spotlight this week um and a little update on Kyle kilborne but yeah that's that's true that's true um although and even our beer selections are in different counties um next week you should do something with maybe Green County or DNE County yeah so um someday uh to our our what 50 audience members we'll find some degree of formatting format consistency that will make this feel so here's how we know we're on the right track Ryan because my wife listened to the Show and her feedback was I cared about what you had to say more than I thought I would so so you know it was a home run so I mean yeah normally I don't think your wife cares about what we say at all so not even a little um yeah uh and and we gave a very sort of uh brief um kind of oneliner about Eric Hy um and I I thought really we could do better uh so again we've mentioned that that he's a transplant he has kind of fought against that reputation um but again so he does have a home uh near near I believe it's Lake M Doo Wisconsin um he does have a like home that is worth about three times as much in California uh which is where so that's probably his main which which is where the bank that he owns is located okay well and I guess too like just the nature of real estate in California probably is just three times more expensive but if he owns a bank in California it's likely that's where he lives yeah um yes uh he well he also has a three a $2.3 million home in Washington DC oh sure who who Among Us doesn't just have a couple Millie pad in Washington DC which has now been transferred to the Family Trust so he doesn't own that directly anymore sure the home that he has in California is in Laguna Beach um worth an estimated $7 million um NOC which is which is is where a lot of lagona beach is where the the bank um the headquarters for the bank he owns is is located um this is this 7 million doll home is what is worth about three times um what paid for his Suburban home on the shores of Lake Mota so so that's what allows him to run for you know the Wisconsin senate seat although it is worth pointing out he did vote absentee from California as recently as 2023 in the spring um for the uh Supreme Court race in Wisconsin so he has he has been voting you know on a Wisconsin ballot since at least 2023 um this you know but he does and he does own property in Wisconsin at this point um but he does own property that is valued at a at a bigger number in California according to this this is a post by Ben wickler um he says Eric Hy has been named one of orange Cy Orange County California obviously Orange County's most influential people three times so he doesn't seem like a Wisconsin night yeah so uh you know I'll I'll leave it up to individual voters whether they think that that is um to to pull out a very integrated term and a example of carpet bagging or not um the old carpet bagger sure yeah yeah so so we'll go real old school you've been you've been using the very topical references of Austin Powers and Clinton administration I will let voters decide if it is hogwash snake oil and Malarkey yeah yeah um so uh you know there is that um he he has um given media appearances indicating that he is um totally against abortion um what what that actually means in terms of like a policy position is not super clear to me I thought he said he was in support of a an abortion ban with no exceptions I thought I read that I could be wrong but I believe that was his stance okay well well we're we're on the internet here let's double Che let's yeah let let's do our due diligence here shall we let's do our due diligence um Eric Hub the abortion position let's see what he has to say okay according to the Journal Sentinel Eric Hy has made his position on abortion abundantly clear he supported the overturning of Row versus Wade which led to millions of Wisconsin Women living under a near total abortion ban without exceptions for incest and rape balding campaign spokeswoman Jackie Rosa said in a statement okay so that was that's from a b Source obviously okay so according to Hy said he was totally abos opposed to abortion in a Wisconsin State Journal candidate questioner at the time well that was from 2012 Hy said I am pro-life and I oppose legalized abortion I believe contraception should be legal speaking to reporters Thursday now this article was um dated April 4th of 20124 speaking to reporters Thursday he said as it pertains to abortion look I'm very clear on the issue I believe in exceptions I believe in the beauty of life I think women early on in a pregnancy should have a right to make a choice but I think there is a point where once a baby can be born healthy and alive that it's unconscionable that the baby be terminated Hy said so what his actual position is remains a bit unclear let's face it it's lazy thinking at best and dising completely disingenuous at worst to say that you are pro-life yet you'll let a woman bleed out in the parking lot life is nuanced and complicated and and it needs to be treated with the care that it deserves