Former Sen. Pat Toomey on 2024 race: Neither Trump or Harris will be my choice for president

>>> LET'S BRING IN PAT TOOMEY, FORMER REPUBLICAN SENATOR OF PENNSYLVANIA THAT SERVED ON THE BANKING AND FINANCE COMMITTEES. AND WE MAY HAVE SENATOR FROM NORTH CAROLINA. SHE'S A DIRECTOR OF THE UNIVERSITY OF POLITICS, AND THERE'S NOBODY PUSHING BACK EXCEPT FOR ME, BUT I WON'T PUSH BACK. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE -- >> I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT. >> OR SENATE. >> YEAH. >> GUYS LIKE YOU, GUYS LIKE PAUL RYAN THAT TELL ME -- YOU GIVE ME A LIST OF REASONS WHY KAMALA HARRIS WOULD BE THE WORST THING TO EVER HAPPEN BUT STILL WON'T VOTE FOR TRUMP AND SAY SOMETHING LIKE IT'S NOT REALLY A VOTE FOR HARRIS, AND I -- BECAUSE IT'S A BINARY CHOICE, SO A VOTE NOT FOR TRUMP IS A TRUMP FOR HARRIS? >> FIRST OF ALL, I VOTED FOR TRUMP TWICE IN 2016 AND 2020, BUT WHEN YOU LOSE IN AN ELECTION BUT TRY -- >> WE ARE ALLFAMILIAR. >> YOU LOSE ME AT THAT POINT. >> SO YOU PREFER KAMALA HARRIS -- >> HOLD ON. HOLD ON. I ACKNOWLEDGE THE OUTCOME IS A BINARY SITUATION, BUT MY CHOICE IS NOT. YOU AND I WILL DISAGREE ON THIS. >> WHAT IF IT CAME DOWN TO ONE VOTE AND IT'S YOURS -- >> IT'S AN EXCEPTIONAL POSITION FOR ME TO SAY NEITHER OF THESE CANDIDATES -- >> OKAY, UNREALIZED CAPITAL GAINS -- >> WELL, WE NEED REPUBLICAN CONTROL OF THE SENATE AND THAT'S ESSENTIAL. IF THE OTHER SIDE RUNS THE TABLE, THEN THEY WILL REPEAL THE FILIBUSTER AND THEY WILL BE DRAGGED BY THEIR LEFT WING, WHICH IS CLEARLY IN CHARGE NOW, AND I THINK KAMALA HARRIS PROVED THAT WITH HER VICE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, AND THERE WILL BE A MEDICARE FOR ALL AND THERE WILL BE NO BRAKES. BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS, I THINK REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO TAKE THE SENATE. >> PERHAPS, BUT THERE'S PLENTY -- OKAY, THERE'S PLENTY OF REGULATORY MOVES FROM BIDEN, PLENTY OF EXECUTIVE ORDERS AND PLENTY OF THINGS EVEN IF THE SENATE DOES WELL -- >> YES, THERE'S DAMAGE THAT WILL BE DONE THERE AND A REPUBLICAN SENATE CAN MITIGATE THAT BY ITS POWER OF CONFIRMATION, SO THEY HAVE TO HANG TOUGH ON SOME OF THE NOMINEES. >> IT COULD BE A DEFENSIVE GRIDLOCK TYPE OF SITUATION, WHERE THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO DOESN'T HAPPEN, AND WE DON'T MAKE IT A CIVIL OFFENSE ACROSS THE BORDER AND WE END THE FILIBUSTER -- >> ALL OF THOSE THINGS DON'T HAPPEN IF REPUBLICANS GET CONTROL OF THE SENATE. >> I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT, AND YOU MAY BE RIGHT, BUT I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT, I KEEP HEARING FROM ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE IN AND AROUND THE VICE PRESIDENT, HER POLICIES -- WHEN IT COMES TO ECONOMIC POLICIES, THEY WILL BE MORE CENTRIST THAN PORTRAYED IN THE MEDIA AND GETTING TO ALL OF THAT, THIS IS WHAT I AM GETTING TOLD IF YOU TALK TO PEOPLE IN AND AROUND HER, AND THOSE PROPOSALS HAVE NOT BEEN MADE PUBLIC, AND -- >> THE PLANS ARE NOT WHAT THE MEDIA HAS SAID, AND IT'S WHAT SHE'S ON RECORD -- >> I AM HERE TO ASK THE QUESTION -- >> THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU JUST SAID. YOU SAID THE MEDIA PORTRAYED HER WITH ALL OF THESE LEFTIST -- THOSE ARE HER OWN WORDS. >> YEAH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S CHANGING HER MIND AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. >> YEAH, THE QUESTION IS WHICH DO YOU BELIEVE, RIGHT? I THINK IT'S VERY HELPFUL TO THINK ABOUT WHAT SHE ACTUALLY DID, RIGHT? WHEN SHE WAS IN THE SENATE SHE HAD THE MOST LIBERAL RECORD IN THE SENATE, TO THE LEFT OF BERNIE SANDERS, AND SHE WAS IN FAVOR OF BANNING FRACKING AND LINED UP PERFECTLY WITH THE FAR-LEFT WING AND WHEN SHE HAD TO MAKE A CHOICE FOR THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE, SHE COULD HAVE MADE A PRUDENT CHOICE, AND SHAPIRO WOULD HAVE SENT A MESSAGE FROM GOVERNING FROM THE CENTER, AND SHE WOULDN'T DO IT. THAT TELLS YOU WHO IS IN CONTROL. SHE COMES FROM THE LEFT WING OF THE PARTY AND THAT'S WHERE SHE WILL GO. >> ON THE QUESTION OF FRACKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, DO YOU THINK ULTIMATELY IT'S DISINGENUOUS? >> AT THE END OF THE DAY, SHE WILL BE BEHOLDEN TO THE LEFT WING OF THE PARTY, AND YOU CAN HAVE A DEVELOPMENT OF OIL AND GAS WITHOUT AN EXPLICIT BAN ON FRACKING, AND I DON'T BUY THE NOTION THAT SHE'S ACTUALLY A CENTRIST NOW. SHE NEVER HAS BEEN. >> IF IT WAS THE OTHER WAY, YOU WOULD SAY, OF COURSE, THEY ARE SAYING THAT NOW TO GET INTO OFFICE AND ONCE THEY ARE IN OFFICE THEY GO RIGHT BACK TO WALKING AND QUACKING WITH WEBBED FEET AND A BILL. IF YOU ARE A WALKING AND QUACKING DUCK, YOU ARE A DUCK AND NOT A CENTRIST. >> THE TRUTH IS FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS FLIPPED -- JUST SAYING. BY THE WAY, I DON'T THINK YOU EVEN AGREE WITH ME ON THIS, BUT I LOOK AT TRUMP'S TARIFF POLICIES AND I SAY TO MYSELF, I THINK IF HE GETS INTO OFFICE HE WILL NOT PURSUE THEM, HE WILL USE THEM AS A NEGOTIATING EMPLOY -- HE WILL USE THEM AS A NEGOTIATING EMPLOY AND NOT GET THERE. >> BUT IF YOU SAY SHE CAN'T DO CERTAIN THINGS WITH THE SENATE, TRUMP CAN'T DO THINGS WITH THOSE IN THE HOUSE. >> I WILL SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD, BUT I THINK TRUMP WILL TRY THE TARIFFS, AND HIS FORMER TRADE REP, AND HE ADVOCATED FOR A UNIVERSAL 10% TAX ON IMPORTS, AND TRUMP BELIEVES THIS AND HAS STRONGLY HELD VIEWS, AND THE QUESTION IS DOES HE HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO DO IT? I DON'T THINK SO. IF HE TRIES TO DO IT, WILL THE SENATE STAND U