Mormon Comes To DESTROY Sam Shamoun...Ends Up STUMPED [Debate]

Church of Jesus Christ for latterday Saints I served a two-year mission in Montana you said you're a returned missionary so you just returned as a missionary yeah I got home like two weeks ago I'm fresh on the field for two years yep and I know that's mandatory for Mormons is that true well you guys don't use the term Mormon but that we're used to saying Mormon so don't take it personally it's not a it's not a saving ordinance or anything like that um it is highly encouraged it is a pried responsibility and we encourage all young men who are worthy and able what must you do to attain godhood to godhood well that is eventually through the through the Gospel of Jesus Christ to become more like Jesus Christ is no but that's not ask you do believe you're going to be you can be a God I do believe in a Divine potential yes so you can be a God right yeah and will you have a wife if you pass the test and she passed test you're going to have a wife one or a couple how many do you have eventually I just so we can get an idea what you believe your ultimate Destiny is probably I would prefer one one's enough if you do attain that level will you be able to have children that you send them into a planet will you have a planet of your own I mean give us an idea we want to know what it is I there's no official Doctrine on the scale of how everything works I don't know if you're talking planetary or universe or I don't know I don't know you have your own universe or Whatever It Is What What In other words when you attain let's say you successfully attain Divinity you become a God you're gonna have your own universe or a planet what is it I mean give us an idea of the landcap doctrine on it I'm not sure um but I do know is that God's intentions is for us to become more like him to participate in his divine nature and when you say God the Father you was he a man with a body of Flesh he is a man he has a body of Flesh so that so that's actually kind of what my questions were about is the nature of that's what so people know that Mormonism or whatever you believe in is not even in the ballpark of Christianity but we'll get there what I'm saying I just want to know who was his God though if he was a man his heavenly father who was his God because he's not the original God right because he was a man right so someone brought so is God for you not he doesn't have a body of Flesh and Bone then yeah I want to know because he was a man so he wasn't always God so if he was a man he was brought into being right possibly that is so that is an esoteric thought that is an idea no because if he's a man either he's an uncreated eternal man or if he's a man he came into being so that means someone brought him to it's not esoteric it's just the logical inference of your position so I'm trying to figure it out so he's not the original gu there's no like there's not like a there's not like a you know little checkbox when I you know go can you stop the check boxes because this check box is getting kind of old stick to the point checkbox check check that's the second time you said it I want to know if he's a man was he always a man or he came into being because men come into being so did your God come into being because he was a man or he's always been a man it is very possible very possible so you guys do not know his Origins not necessarily how many wives does he have because I want people because a lot of people don't know what your church teaches that's why I'm asking these questions how many wives does he have unknown no would know that question so but you he does at least have one wife right I would say yeah that we believe in a heavenly mother yeah we don't we don't go into super big detail about well as Christians we want to know what you believe now he got her pregnant right because his first child was Yahweh Jehovah there's no there's no official Doctrine as to how Spirit children are created oh so is that heavenly mother yahweh's mother too uh well no actually because well in the that's actually more complicated you would agree that Mary is not to some extent but she is part of the motherhood of Jesus Christ right because we believe Christ became flesh from her yes but he doesn't have before creation so in the sense of his physical body Mary is his mother maybe but who's the mother of Yahweh I'm not asking about Jesus incarnate because that's the mother of Christ because he took his Humanity from her I'm talking about Yahweh because to you from my understanding that's why I'm asking Elohim the father and you have Yahweh or Jehovah the son then he becomes Jesus so Yahweh Jehovah before he came to the world in the flesh does he have a mother I I actually don't have any official Church teaching on that I I actually that that I'm going to play fair with you if I don't know an answer that might be something that I have to go and respect you a lot more I respect you a lot more when you just tell me you don't know I'm not here trying to because I want people to understand where you're coming from so when you ask me questions they'll have a context because when Muslims ask me they have a particular context and I'm sure if I ask people in the comment section were you aware of these beliefs about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints many of them don't know so God the father is a man he's God he has a body of Flesh he has a wife at least one and Yahweh or you prefer to say jovah I don't know he then becomes Jesus Christ he's the one who becomes Jesus and you do believe that Lucifer is his brother not in the literal sense the spiritual sense like we're all yeah because because heavenly father is the creator of all things so so Jesus Christ in spirit is a creation of him but we also know that Jesus Christ created the heavens and the Earth and everything it through heavenly father so do you do you get that from The Book of Mormon that Jesus Christ or Yahweh who becomes Jesus was created from the book of I I thought that was the the Bible no I'm not can you show me in the Bible where it says that Jesus Christ as Yahweh is created I might not have it off the top of my head that's fine because it's not there that's not what the Bible teaches but that's I would let you try to find the passage so the definition of the Trinity can you give a solid definition before we go with the definition I'm waiting for you to show where it says Jesus is created by the father because I I have an article in the Book of Mormon Book of Mormon doesn't even teach what Joseph Smith later taught but that's we'll get into that my question is you said that the father created Jesus who in his Prem existence was Yahweh so I'm waiting for that can you show me that from the King Because by the way they go with the King James Bible right that's what that's the translation you prefer correct yep so yeah where does it say that the father created Jesus and it's preum existence we're not talking about him as a as a man who became flesh um it says first Colossians and this is my understanding you're welcome to have a different interpretation before you go on it's not first Colossians it's Colossians 1:15 I know what you're quoting says who is the image of the invisible God the firstborn but it says for him by all things were all things created and are Heaven and Earth who's him you skipped over it you went too fast who by him who's him who created it Jesus Christ okay so I want you to understand how you're going to end up refuting yourself I'm going to bring it on the screen for everyone to see so we're going to use the King James version because that's the translation you prefer it says and he is the head of the body the church who is the beginning the first from the dead if you talk over me that means you're here to debate me and it's not gonna bold well for you don't try to debate me you're too young to debate well I was I was reading through the whole thing and I got let's go through slowly how it buries your objection because you don't understand what firstborn means who's the image of the invisible God the firstborn of every creature for by him were all things created is there anything excluded in creation that Jesus didn't make all things means all creation right yeah you sure listen to yourself carefully by him all things that's every created thing right so for by him were all things created that are in heaven that are in Earth visible and invisible whether they be Thrones or dominions or principalities or Powers all things were created by Him and for him and he is before all things you notice it's a present tense right right Carson see this is referring this is referring to Jesus Christ correct and by him all things can say so if Christ created every created thing and he is before every created thing and he sustains every created thing that means he exist ex IST before all creation correct logically follow the logic if he created all things and he is before all things then he's not part of the all things he exists before all things that means he's not part of creation did he create heavenly father or anybody else like that or said who said the father is part of creation listen to my argument if he created all things which is all creation father is not creation the spirit is not creation you went to this verse that means he is not part of all creation because he exists before all creation correct read it it's right but yes but my question is is that so with with the Trinity there's what you call Concepts con the concept yeah but before we get to the definition I want you to show me how this passage proved your assertion but you didn't answer the question I'm gon to ask it again young man if it says he created all things and he is before all things and he sustains all things all things are every created thing that means he exists before all creation right so so our interpretation interpretation our inter well I am answering the question answer the question go our interpretation of the scripture is that he is the literal son of the father and that by he created everything so yes he does predate all of creation okay Carson he is the son I'm asking you about the text not your view so you do I'm interpreting my view of the text let me ask you a final time before I send you packing the text in front of of you deal with the textt if I bring a Muslim or an atheist they can tell me what the text means they can say well yeah the text says this unless you're that brainwash which I hope you're not if I bring an atheist and I say can you tell me what the text in front of your eyes are saying can you do that for me do you agree that this text in front of you in front of you is saying that he exists before all creation yes but I was I am I allowed to break no you're not allowed if you don't let me finish the point and you start barking Okay so all creation is the uncreated if he's before all creation then he's uncreated right he I don't think those two things are equal toally yeah okay guys I hope you enjoyed it I wanted you to hear how Blasphemous this religion is God is a man he's got a body of Flesh his fake God who's Satan Lucifer has a wife and his fake God supposedly created Jehovah who's Jesus