Will Robertson get his opportunity in Toronto? | OverDrive Hour 1 | 09-10-24

all right here we go over drive off and running TSN 1050 on the TSN app your hom smart speaker and up on TSN 4 Brian Hayes Zod dog Jeff O'Neal Jamie noodles mclennon what's up can I ask you something how's everyone doing no you can't ask me something I'm I'm not interested in what you're going to ask me no not really because I know what it's going to be about how'd you take the Jets last night the Jets are the biggest joke in Pro Sports of course the Niners are going to smoke them last night my only question is yeah do you think I'm stupid I tried to tell you that I got a great Vibe I know I'm not like Joe football picker I know I know that but you are listening to a guy who's going off of 10e stats on like opening game and it's like he he'll go off stats that are like playing a you know a team that went to the Super Bowl that that stuff times is out the window and you go I got to go on gut instinct like sometimes it's just San Fran's really good and the Jets have really proven nothing yeah but you guys got all fired up on Aaron roders and you guys were just I could see the love in your eyes you were like Aaron roders is is like going to keep this game really close he was okay last night the guy hasn't played in a year and he's 40 years old I know that I spent the whole offseason saying I don't believe in the Jets I think Aaron Rogers is is going to have a really tough time I know his talent I know his Hardware in the MVPs but 40-year-old coming off in Achilles Nathaniel hackets is offensive coordinator and it wasn't overly creative last night and furthermore the ners that's just what they do you know like and here's another thing you guys were complaining so much when mcaffrey was ruled out of the game was inactive begging for commissioner Doogie to resend the pick to pull the game I have don't don't even think about resending the game Saw itly noodles exactly I saw it on the group text there was a some language there was some fighting you guys were Challen made the ultimate decision Doogie put it on Twitter as the commissioner he said the pick is locked in and we're going to go play ball and he's right to do that and and we are a team of Integrity we're a team of Sportsmen we're a team that appreciates a long Marathon right it's not a Sprint it's a marathon the ners they just breed running backs that turn into mcaffrey that turn into Walther pton this time is Jordan Mason I don't know where this kid came from but all of a sudden the guy's a superstar and credit to the ners the Jets did exactly what most people expected them to do and we got it wrong and we had a tough week and um I can't be the only one speaking on behalf of my team I happen to have my better half in studio Al brother is still here this guy's still in that building I I thought you wouldn't allow him in the building I I got to be honest I I have to be honest because I I thought this guy would be on waivers right now I'm telling you guys one thing if you lose the next game like if we pick on Thursday night yes if we win you two both have to wear a clown suit on Friday I'm sorry there's got to be some consequences if we get it to 7 and one or whatever you're wearing clown suits Friday and you deserve it not this early into the year we we can't accept those terms right Elis brother like it's early it's a process for us we're working exactly we're about information now we've seen every team now there's no excuse moving for all right let me ask the guy on the let me ask the other guy Al's brother are are look Stern talking too that is a Al's brother has a load in his shorts he's he is fre out made me look bad like you know what what we need to do is have a competition to to quote that like you know how people say like what is being said what is being cap caption that picture that's what we need to do are you gonna like I I just said to Hayes like the whole idea of the last five years in game one against teams that went to the Super I think you got to get off of those type of Trends those Trends are tough I will say historical trends like that cuz you know the teams are always different but you know when I speak to sharp betters like they they consistently throw those numbers out to me and those guys have made a lot of money doing this they're professionals I get sucked into these Trends all the time all the time a vort are these people what's a sharp what's a sharp to find a sharp better like a sharp better just you know people who who who pick games correctly I don't that it's calorie statement and it's such a they're dull betters they're dull betters it's a friend of his that Al's brother think is smart that's what talking football betting football betting professionals would be considered sharp betters the whales out there who put big money down are the sharp betters and they keep coming back to these historical trends like I I had a guy on I was doing the show last Friday on gameplay we had a guy on and he said oh keep in mind this trend on on Monday night you know football teams when they lose the Super Bowl it's a hangovers real 5 and 14 this guy's a professional football betting analyst and he's throwing these numbers out to me so like all right store that in the the old Noggin comes back to bich in the ass worthy of consideration I I think you got to give credit where credits through we on the wrong side of the Browns Cowboys game too but the Cowboys played great the Niners were really good last night there was no hangover like Brock py did exactly what he's done since he got that starting job no mcaffrey that could have been a real issue for them mcaffrey not playing all the all the contract issues you know the the Super Bowl hangover you got the Jets in town they're getting Super Bowl love and the ners absolutely smacked them around immediately I I thought they defended them well I thought their offense had exactly what you would expect out of a Shanahan coach team and I think the Niners made a statement I think the Lions made a statement I think the chiefs made a statement like the best teams in the league coming in coming out of week one they can all look back and say watch the tape that's what we're all about yeah and we took the wrong Trend hazy B you're on the wrong Trend but I still believe in you and I that's why this is why I wanted you to stick around vote of confidence I'm like Mark shap oh yeah you're my Ross Atkins you and I we ride together brother and listen it's been a tough start got to be a butt though like going to ride we're going to continue to ride together but something's got to change what I will say is Ross's brother Ross's brother what is going to be considered I'm going to take the next 24 to 48 hours to to figure out an approach for week two so you may receive a zoom invite make sure you accept it if you're on time you're late all right if you're on time you're late to the zoom invite you and I will have a discussion in the next two days we'll make a call in week two but beyond that I'm not concerned is that acceptable for you El's brother I I can we a partnership we are a partnership look the behavior over this weekend the horrendous information that I accumulated okay the Behavior now it it definitely definitely does deserve a discussion between you and I I I thought that I had my head on straight when it came to coming you know what the problem is I talked about it last week you know and and Luke asked me he said what are you going to do different this year and I said you know what we're going to go more gut instinct you know we're going to switch it from 8020 to more 6040 and and and my game plan I got punched in the mouth week one and the game plan went out the window come Friday I got to get back to it I got to remember more gut instinct get back to the 6040 I love it JP or Joe's from the Joe from the bridge can you just play that drop again of him yelling the Jets j e t s there was so much conviction in he he was sitting beside me I'm like this guy is going to swallow the microphone Jets by 100 I was like Jets by 100 I felt good about it and and you know this Jordan Mason guy especially like be honest hay yesterday when that Christian mcaffry news broke at like 6:45 Lov it 15 minutes before the game you had to be thinking we got the number at four and a half for the Jets we're looking solid cuz imagine the shoe was on the other foot and I caved in and I said all right hazy B let's actually take the ners and that information comes out you would have been sweating I would have been before the game and then after the game we would have been ecstatic but that's neither here nor there it's all good partsy you're still my party look out for that Zoom invite you and I have a conversation some point midday tomorrow I would suggest okay there it is ready Al's brother one half and a very important half of Hazen bro wanted that established out of the gate a lot of people were waiting for it I had this is how about it is last night all right so the game's about to start and I'm prepping I was on with Jay last night I had a bunch going on I'm with my kids I'm trying to get my kids down and I you know walk into the room my wife's sitting there and the game's on and she goes who did you take I said we took the Jets and she was flabbergasted really like the Jets they're awful the Jets like my wife is chirping me before kickoff of a game and she knew and she called it and this morning she brought it back up she's like I can't believe you two buffoons took the Jets I'm like thank you have a great day yeah I'm getting on on Twitter's Twitter's ruthless right now it is ruthless and we deserve everything we get you know it's early but uh it's not a good start let's I think at least have to explore what I did last year we had to get a consultant we brought in hot rod Smith yeah we might need one a consultant at some capacity I mean there's a bunch of people out there Carol wagon's out there tea Singh anybody anybody there there's a lot of people that really know you need a consultant at the top that's ahead of you and Al's brother like a mentor like bring in a veteran Mentor that that that can help and maybe it'll stabilize the team that's maybe what it is you guys just need a reset all right that's what it is you might need a reset after week one I I'm have you ever seen an organization where management types need a reset that's what we're talking about I think the blue jay Spanish needs a reset I'll be honest but they're around forever they don't ever go anywhere and I I like them that that's not a shot not a personal shot but professionally well right now winning is not a high priority right now it's not and you know like listen I was concerned that vlat like he had the boot he's playing tonight looked like he just took one heart off the what the left left shin or foot I guess it was but but I mean you know there is some bright spots there there is you know I try to believe our analyst that you know Steve Phillips was just painting a picture last week like saying you know I could see a pathway there's a lot of people saying they could see a pathway so maybe this's just an off year for the Blue Jays I I I don't think so but I that's what you got to hope for I me you got to hope that you know some of these young players who who have brought something to the table Addison Barger and Spencer Horwitz and will Wagner and you know there's a number of guys uh and maybe you know ralvis Martinez gets into camp and hits the ground running neck year and there's a bat that that you can add to the lineup in some capacity and they're going to have to get creative undoubtedly they have to get creative they're going to have to spend some money they got to figure out what they're going to do with flatty and B but that's not imperative for next year those guys are on term next season yeah you know like that like it is getting it's getting a little bit crazy in sports I'm sure you guys saw McDavid was speaking with the media today and I understand you know the hyper sensitivity to McDavid and what he means and what he represents to the Oilers and you're from there noodles I'm sure there's still PTSD Gretzky leaving and the Gretzky trade and that will hang over the city forever yeah and it's always like well what what's going to happen next with this guy but he has two years left yeah he's not going anywhere for two years I think it seems very likely he sticks around especially after the dry cital deal his best friend just signed for eight years exactly but he's got two years left he's not a free agent in December you know it's not like the trade deadlines around the corner and they're 10 points out and they might trade the guy he's there for two more years I know but this every single day hay you say this so I'm going to apply it out there being from there okay you say there is some in inferiority complex about Canadian teams when it comes to the NBA and you know the Major League Baseball all of that same situation with smaller cities you know that Edmonton again from there uh grew up there a boy struy lives there like it's not for everybody but mcdavid's been there for a long time and and the the fan base they they haven't won yet like that's what they're they're trying to win I think all bets are off if they win but but they didn't they lost so you know you're you're hoping for them at that fan base they've got their fingers crossed going hey we can try and go right back to the final it's not going to be easy I'll tell you what like Florida did it and and the odds are probably against it instead of for it although you know FanDuel has them number one they get the shortest Jersey's clearcut at three though course of course Jersey the Jets they're the Jets they're the Jets they're the Jets love an offseason the best offseason of all time but but getting back to the market like it is until he signed you know longterm again people will start to question and then there'll be The Whispers yeah I heard the you know my cousin's brother's uncle said that he was looking at a place in La and same thing that dry Sidle had in all of that and we don't know what mcdavid's going to do but the luxury that fans do have in Edmonton is he's locked in for the next two years next year if it if it's still starting the season he doesn't have a deal now I'd be now you bring it up for sure and it's reasonable journalism and and not that today wasn't either the first time he's speaking after the drive settle deal I get it hey where you at but it's totally reasonable for him to say guys I have two years like two years is an what kind update are you looking for I know it's like like listen let's not pretend like it doesn't happen in Toronto there there are people already asking Austin Matthews you going to stick around long term he's got four years left on this deal now that you're the captain does this mean you're aaf forever I don't know man four years is a long time like how are you even supposed to answer a question like that um but there was some Leaf news today Nick Robertson ended up signing you know one year 875 Grand you got to take okay what's your take take on this I I like it and I'm happy for the kid because you know what it's it's a it's not a rich deal so it's good for the organization but we talked about it yesterday and at length here for a week now is that left side is wide open go play kid had what 14 goals last year he didn't play 60 games like if he's There's an opportunity and a pathway here if he's got his head on straight which it sounds like Signs the deal way you go and he's in shape and he's ready to play he might have an opportunity to climb the lineup and yes like there is going to be from what it looks like on that left side a healthy competition and that's isn't that what you want like in certain like there's no competition number one sentiment we know that you know like that type of stuff number one defenseman like it's more the healthy competition on the team that I can see right now is on that left side where you've got guys who are capable of doing it but they haven't played in the league 10 years so McMahon nice you know homberg Robertson you know Conor dear I think is a fourth line guy for me but you know Max petti it sounds like Pat is coming in and petti is the one that is different than all them because he's been in the league for a long long time you know he's a veteran yet he hasn't been healthy in years who knows what he has left in the tank and guys as far as it's Robertson's concerned at the end of the day he had no leverage like he he said he was like what what did he say he wanted to get traded and they're like well we're not trading you and then it's like okay then you're signing and he signed it's like when you're at that age and you're at that position you don't have a ton of Leverage like what was he going to do sit at home is that going to scare anybody or something I don't know he still ultimately might get traded that could still happen apparently there's some interest in the kid but at the end of the day it's like you just got to Chomp on it sign a deal and and try to become and whether the coach didn't like him or he didn't deserve it there was a lot of nights where he would score a goal and after that he would do nothing else so he's got to find a way to be an everyday NHL player and be responsible and be physical and all the things that come along with being an NHL player as handy and as kind of impressed as everyone was of him coming in not a lot of time not a lot of ice and know boom score a goal after that there wasn't a whole lot there yeah so he's got to become a well-rounded player because in the league you can either be exceptional at one thing goal scoring hitting physicality or you got to be a well-rounded player he's not talented enough to rely on goal scoring alone he has got to become a well-rounded player to stick around and be an everyday NHL player end of Sur well then he's got an opportunity to do that instead of watching it on TV from his couch because of a hold out or a a trade request you know what go play hockey like the Everyone's Watching so if it's not a fit and keep in keep in mind you just mentioned if you had a problem with the coach Craig baru's never coached him like this you're it's a clean slate for everybody you know there might be a guy that is was a lock that we thought maybe was a lock for top nine and Craig bruy goes now that guy's not playing in my top and guess what noodles the stuff that he was doing that drove Sheldon Keef nuts Craig barui might hate him even more than Sheldon Keef so he's not exactly out of the woods yet he's like Craig barui would be a stickler on getting pux in getting Puck out not getting knocked off at responsibility all that stuff he might be worse he might be worse than the kid who knows but but you know what the thing is is we don't know until we know keep in mind like you mature the more years and experience you get under your belt like he might be watching game and go I know I have to make a better play there and be more realistic in his evaluation I don't know oh like you could speak to it you know you were a young guy in the National Hockey League I broke in at 22 my my third year Pro the light kind of went on for me it was like okay I'm going to do this for a living if I'm going to try and stay here as long as I can like you became more of just a a more mature person you're you know third fourth fifth year cuz you understood the league maybe the light goes on for this kid and it's like okay I'm because he is still a kid technically just cuz he's been around for a while like you know you you you think that he's 26 27 what is is he 22 I think yeah about that yeah so I mean I I I I I hope he settles in and makes a run on that left side and if not you mentioned there will be a Marketplace for this kid because he can score and and scoring still at a premium in the league you know yeah and I I would guess that's the play that the Leafs have probably made here like this is all you're getting this is all you're worth and we're going to we want you to come in play if it doesn't work for you we'll move you down the road we're not going to move you on your they might trade them before Camp maybe they will and again that might come down to how pachetti looks and how if Easton Cowan's ready to play like that's you talk about competition there there's a handful of spots where where there isn't any and there's a number of players who we know are playing on the team if they're here they're playing yes but they they're slotted in a position where you know where they are we know what's going on on the right side we know what's going on with the top two centers we know basically what's going on with the top three or four defenseman but there is a battle in net I think definitively who's going to be the better goalie and whoever's running hot will probably play there's a battle for the bottom I'd say two or three spots on defense maybe not necessarily on the Whiteboard but where they fit on the Whiteboard and certainly up and down the left side and on the fourth line and you know you've you've got a new coach you've got a relatively new GM you've got a new scouting staff you got a lot of new here in Toronto in terms of the decision makers for who's going to play and why they're going to play and uh from that standpoint I think it's going to make for a pretty intriguing Camp um all right confirm with theight coming up later this hour Keegan mat will join us from the Dome tonight just after five we get his take on the status of l he's in the lineup tonight so he's playing it looks like it's all good his take on B bash's recent comments about wanting to stay here long term who he sees in terms of the young players that could have a legit impact on the team the rest of this year and into next year so Keegan's coming up Kevin harand called the ball game last night Kevin will join us in the 600 p.m. hour overdrive continues TSN 1050 and on TSN 4 I can neither confirm or deny that uh that this is in fake dis segment Austin trades Andrew rof to Toronto in exchange for the rights to tuker Ras it's been my honor and a privilege to serve as the general manager of the ton police Hockey Club it's time for confirm or deny do you regret uh giving all those gentlemen the no trades or no movement clauses I I can either confirm or deny that I can't confirm or deny all right confirmed deny brought to you by Summit Ford in South Lake Ford Lincoln where there's no such thing as a no trade clause any make any model anytime visit Summit ford.com or Southlake ford.com today confirm or deny very simple statements are made we confirm them or we deny them confirm and deny Max petti should wear number 67 in Toronto oh God God Almighty why like I that because of the cup thing I'm just I'll start deny Den I deny deny you can't wear that number in this city you can't you can't have 67 I'm going to confirm it I'm going to confirm it because it'll just exercise the demons it's like let's not hide away from it that's his number he's worn it his whole career screw it wear it exercise the demons it's just like Joe Buu in Major League where he had to go get the guy some something or other in the clubhouse to exercise the demons yeah was a KFC chicken they brought in the chicken the bucket of chicken but I I so you're saying because of 1967 you don't want him to work are are you going that far into Superstition I didn't realize about Superstition that's a curse word that that's that's an inflammatory term and number s word it's insulting if you like if you walk by a leaf fan and just whisper 67 they might clock you like it's just it's a number you don't want to be affiliated with it's it hangs over the city Robert SAA I think was number 67 and it didn't work out well for B he was a good player fine player I don't think he was a great leave but was he was he on your team I don't know was he here when you were here I can't remember not played in Florida I remember right handed player but I'm pretty sure he was 67 I think he was and someone should have got to and said Bob not good not a good idea I don't I I think but we've all known Max petti at that number if he wants to play in the National Hockey League of that number you who's the head trainer there that assigns numbers uh it's probably Bobby isn't it Bobby Hastings is GNA go nope can't do it Bob's a smart man Bobby's from toron Bobby knows but I if Max pater ready wants 67 I say go at it man like what do you want this guy to do what you want him to do is turn the clock back you remember pachetti and playing his best hockey was it in Montreal he's flying down the wing right like a what what like what do you think's going to happen do you think guys are going to skate by him and say oh like what is the it's not about the other guys the other guys in the league don't think that way what is the down for you like what is the reason for you it just doesn't seem like a number that should have any association with yeah exactly it's almost like a reversed retired number you know what I mean like it's in the same same frame of a of a retired number but obviously not with the same reverance like the complete opposite it's like Bizarro retired number that's what it is 67 is a Bizarro retired number I don't and I would suggest going against I just think it's maybe you're right on the exorcism maybe that's what it is like and the curse just come on in 67 we embrace it screw it we're moving forward that's kind of what liwicki did remember Tim liwi showed up said get rid of all the pictures get all rid of all the history we don't want to look backwards we want to look forwards and people freaked out well it didn't yeah I mean he was taking Legends off the wall and like people were worked up about that I agree but I think what he was trying to do is is is build the Legacy moving forward not looking back like is that the the the worst number when it comes to pain for the the organization 41 is is more modern like 41 is really you say 41 to yeah to a leaf fan they they know exactly what you're talking about you say 41 you say Zamboni Zamboni herds no dve you got to say driver you got to say driver driver hey Zamboni driver yeah like yeah you do have to say zamon driver I don't know I I zon dri driver yeah 401 1967 Zamboni driver that's Cur that's the three pack of curse words for a leaf fed I think so and then I I'm trying to think of what the like what would be Mount Rushmore like what's the fourth Fergie 93 like what what the the high K Fraser could be Fraser yeah it could be Carrie Fraser Carolina Hurricanes might be in there hurricanes Le team that2 Le team was so good so beloved this might hit a nerve I don't tarasque yeah that one tarasque hurts not the best TKA hurts we love Razer though it wasn't Hey listen he didn't trade himself he didn't call Fergie and the crew and say you want a real Seth Jarvis like Seth J you're getting deep then you're getting deep cuz then you got to look you're getting deep you got to dig through some papers to get to that one but Seth Jarvis is a trigger word it it can be for like really die hards that have been falling the trail the paper trail they know what's up when you say South Jarvis all right that might have established it maybe we should ask the people we're asking people to do a lot of work for us today yeah but uh all right moving on here confirm of deny Max patet will play a top six role for the majority of the Season deny for me I'm denying that I but there he doesn't have to he doesn't have to you this isn't the max pater ready that's making 85 million a year this is a guy who's had a couple surgeries he's missed hockey the last couple years and he's longer in the tooth as far as you know age in the league so if he can be a good Supporting Cast guy as a top nine man you've won like because he's not making 8 million he's if you signed I don't even know what the deal is what it sounds like it could be a PTO and then I'm sure they have a wink wink nudge nudge if you get through Camp you're healthy here's a million two or something but but it may not even be that it might be like whatever's left on the cap you can have but the point being is I he doesn't have to be a top I'm denying it every day because I I think there's other competition that will be it'll it'll bring the group up I think Matthew n can play there I think uh mccan can play H Mcmahon sorry said it again Bobby McMahon could play again get year man you're getting you're going to call Leaf game and call mccan 15 no I'm not because I I owe him a lot more respect than that it's an honest mistake I me you're not kicking of junk no but Bobby McMahon is going to get a good look there he had a great season last year Nick Robertson like he might this like I said I was just looking him up he he he turns 23 tomorrow like he might have turned the corner and go you know what like this is what I need to do to be an everyday nhel and that's what you hope draft and develop and and young guy making 875 can can out kick his coverage that's what you got from McMahon last year you know Matthew n is that left side is opportunity if if I had to name one word it's opportunity there Max petti is going to get an opportunity but he doesn't have to play top nine or he doesn't have to be top six yeah totally deny this as well I just I I don't I don't see it there it's just like uh I didn't see it in years past other teams I I just don't see him being a I could see him being a third line left Winger that could maybe get you 10 goals and he's also not there's no way he's playing anywhere close to 75 games like I I just don't see that coming he's he's gone four straight years where he hasn't really played that much yeah corre we're talking about a PTO aren't we like he would have to make the team which again I think he probably has like the Leafs have some cap issues right now where if they sign them and they just brought they just signed Robertson they got to move some money around and those reports are out there that they they're looking for a trait I don't know who that would feature but generally my understanding the way this works is if you accept rpto it really is a contract you just got to wait till we get to the day one to Camp so we can make all the math work so I would guess they probably have negotiated what that number is going to look like but I'm going to deny it too I'm intrigued by it like he was a really good player really really good player but he's had a lot of big injury problems for a number of years now so in order to even hit the number you got to play a lot of games and I don't think it's reasonable to expect him in you know where he is in his career to be a guy that's going to play anywhere close to 82 um confirm and deny Brock per will have a better individual season than Aaron Rogers Brock C better individual season than Aaron Rogers are you talking quar yes well just like watching them play even the stats but not the team not you know all that kind of stuff wins and losses you watch their tape you'll say that guy was better than the other guy this year I'm going from recency bias I'm going to say yes he's going to have a better season better QB rating whatever you want to call it I was happy for that guy last night cuz you know he was going to hear it if Aaron roders a stud quarterback came in and beat him in game one because the last game he played he got beat by another stud quarterback and all you hear is this guy can't beat a stud quarterback I thought he was damn good last night he had some performance his gu stepped up and played well but I thought he was damn good and I think he's going to have a better season yep I'm confirming it too I just I I mean Rogers looked Rusty I I I don't know the ins and outs of you know looking at some analysis in reading this morning saying like they they kind of protected him and didn't kind of let him go last night as far as what Rogers is capable of but he you know I I thought there was some decision making and and some Rust in his game he I didn't think he looked you know killer last night but I still think pie is is kind of dialed in and he's got the weapons to do it too you if he throws if he throws somewhere near some of the those receivers he's working with they'll get it you know I don't know if has that too not sure he not the same amount of talent around him and I I'm going to make it a three-pack of confirms as well like pry didn't have to do much last night cuz the Jets just handed the ball over a couple times and got's the game manager yes he is and and Jordan Mason was unbelievable like that that kid ran for 147 yards last night in a touchdown and like he he was you know he caught a ball it was incredible but P's also got the luxury of Youth like he's he's young he's more motivated to to win to get the money Rogers is done it all like Rogers is trying to stay healthy and and get to the Finish Line P's going to hit the ground running and I I think P's going to have a really good year uh confirm with theight Bo bashad and vlat Jr will play out all of next season with the Jays all of next season every single game will be played as a blue jay next year for both players so you're not talking about anything else but no contract no nothing no but I mean it's nothing to do with injuries it's like they could be either TR blue J exactly are they going to be traded or not effectively like do you think they play out all of next season both of them I got to be honest I don't think both are coming back and I think they the one guy that is coming back is vlat yeah Bo I just think that the comments are trying to save face what he just said in the last week maybe he privately just wants out because it's been literally a nightmare year and a half hasn't it been injures performance I don't know I think deep down inside maybe he's just the guy that wants to change of scenery whether he gets it or not I'm not sure but I don't see them I'm going to deny this I don't see them both playing here I'm denying it too I think vlat is a lot iy just my question mark is B and what does the contract look like you know I don't think it was lip service the other day but it might be more hey I want to stay but then the offer comes in it's like well maybe not you know like I I really think it comes down to the business and the economics of it so I I'm not confident so I'm going to deny that they both are here through the next season yeah I'm conflicted on this because you can see it both ways I I think it's it's gone to a point now where vlat they just got to find a way to sign him and put that to bed and make sure he's a blue jay you know like just go about it checks every box you're go you're all in to win next year or you're going to reload and try to build for the future he's 25 years old and you got to live with whatever you decide with because exactly and and you're going to pay him and that's what it's going to be and he wants to be here and that's just it like that's the going rate you know for for doing business with with Vlad Vlad Gro Jor bashad is more complicated but I don't know like there would be clearly a lot of value around the league like people would be really intrigued by the idea of rehabilitating Bob bashet but that's kind of what it's become now because it has been a a really horrible year and a half for him because of injuries but also because of play when he has been healthy he has not performed well so you're you're trading him at a low value if you're trading him for future pieces how is that conducive to trying to be competitive next year feels like they might be willing to gamble on the idea of hey we're going to hope it works and if he really wants to be here and it does work we'll sign sign him at the end of next year you know like maybe they'll put that to the test and say okay you really want to be a blue jay show us who you are next year if you do we'll pay you and we will make sure you STI around he's got one one year yes him and vlat both have a year left then they are unrestricted then go anywhere so it's it's a game of chicken scary because what if he's like okay I'm nailing it out of the park and the Yankees are coming for me they might but then then I think you challenge them and say what do you you said you wanted to be here do you want to be here we're willing to pay you you know I'm going to confirm it from that standpoint that I I just I don't know if you can trade him this Summer because I don't know what kind of value you're getting back and I think if you're if if this front office has one more year to win they kind of need a a short stop in his prime which is what bichette is to just be healthy and perform like a healthy performing bichette helps you gain that goal like you know what the players think Hayes they're like if you don't lock me up for if you want to if you don't trust me and you want me to play out the year to prove it to you when I do prove it to you I can go wherever I want because you didn't believe in me so screw you that's the way that game works it's a game of chicken right now yep it's like do you want to watch him have a monster year next year or are you going to roll the dice and hand over the cash it's a dangerous game man either it really is yep it's as tough as it gets in management a situation like this because he's he's a marketing tool for you he's he's a homegrown player he's a guy that by all accounts is a leader and well-liked and obviously the fans you know know who he is and they they respond to him and you've seen him when he's at his best he's a really good player yes well yeah that's he's still in his prime and he's young like there there's so many different things yet it hasn't gone well the team's not going so well what what's he going to want in terms of a contract like there it's complicated unless you trade him unless you trade him for somebody Young from another organization yeah you know yeah one for one where people need a change of scenery the only thing is is I I agree with you Hayes I think we've seen the best of him and we've seen the worst of him and what they're banking on is just him getting back to what he was capable of doing when he was healthy and and playing well so that's that's what I think they're going to have to pay him on is is based on that not this down 18 months that we've seen that's where he's coming from you know and that's again a part of the complication his is going to say the year and a half is irrelevant look what I was the previous three years and I'm in my mid 20s and I play shortstop and this is what you know it's going to be difficult to to find a number but before you even start negotiating that number you got to figure out do you really want to commit to this guy long term do you think you can win with this guy you know there's very similar situation to to the the team down the street you know Bose drafted develop came up with a bang look great they make the playoffs they haven't won anything like can you win if guo junor and bashed are your two best players as of now the answer is no based on what we've seen and there's a fair amount are you going to get value like this is I don't know if everybody thinks like this but after the year and a half that we've just seen I'm thinking to myself am I going to hand over a boatload of money that guy and watch him sit in the training room for the next five years MH because that could happen like once this train we've seen it a million times once that calf stuff leg stuff knee stuff like that stuff can be never ending man never ending look what happened last night Christian mcaffrey right last year it was like a miracle he stayed healthy he was Unreal rode him all the way to a Super Bowl he's by the by the playoffs it was like he's starting to break down he's starting to break down and now opening night he's not playing and I don't think he'll play next week in Minnesota shefer was reporting that last night and this could linger for who knows how long and like would it would it shock you if you return in week three and blew his C out in week five like I I hope that doesn't happen obviously but if we're being a realist here that's kind of the trend you want to talk about a team that has one goal and load man I would load manage that guy and say we're going to spot doe to you man you're not playing the full season I don't know what you have in mind but all we care about is getting you ready for the playoffs a smart play tough to do in the NFL though with you know only so many roster spots and other injuries and they just certain guys you know certain guys you just know they're they're never going to be healthy they're just either the way they play or the way that their body is it just they he's a guy it seems like but it's unfortunate because he's hell of a player so yes yeah injuries you know it's a part of sports it's part of evaluation look what we've been talking about today talking about Max petti like you know you look at it the last the last four years basically he hasn't had a full season and so I why do you think he's having one this year yeah well exact exactly and and that you just have to be realistic like the guy he's not young last year he played 47 games the year before he played five year before that he played 39 the year before that he played 48 yeah like that's his last four four seasons he's he's played a combined you know what 130 games or something in the last four years Max petti and he'll be 36 in this season yeah so I mean it's exciting because of who he is the name he was the captain of the Canadians he's he's a guy that's very capable of scoring goals and putting up points he's done that countless times in his career but that's going back ways you know like he the last time he had a 30 goal season was back in 1920 he had 32 goals 66 points with Vegas that's five years ago you know so you got to be realistic here that but you you hope that he turns the clock back but it's that's why I think the expectations should be low and and anything's a bonus if he can stay healthy and stay in your lineup up in your top nine I think that's a win yeah absolutely especially if it's a million dollars or whatever for sure exactly uh confirm with deny brought to you by Summit Ford in South Lake Ford Lincoln where there's no such thing as a no trade clause any make any model anytime isit Summit for.com or Southlake for.com confirm or deny will continue later this afternoon we got some more in the chamber here actually some really good ones will scatter through the day love confirm and deny I have a message from my golf buddy Michael he said you guys have to stop it with the number 67 he said if you believe your own bull crap it's true okay I don't know I don't know what that means sure that means either not foll maybe he just that's not your life coach is it no he just means like if you just keep thinking that 67 is this curse or whatever not let like he said let the guy wear the number you got to move past all that stuff okay all right isy you buying into it you giving him the number now is he a Lea fan Mike or is he a fan of like Vegas or something he is a Die Hard Lea fan yes okay well then I respect that I respect his opinion I personally don't agree with it I would run from that number as long as I could but it's just it's a it's a Mount Rushmore number of bad vibes like that that's it's just a Mount Rushmore comment of maple leaf bad bad energy have we just have we have we come up with the Rushmore four pack of like just the it's one's four one I think it's Carrie Frasier I think Carrie Frasier is the fourth one I really do yeah Carrie Frasier would would have to be up there there's there's a lot of them out there man I mean sadly there's a lot of possibilities which is disappointing so we're going Mount Rushmore 67 David SS 4 to1 and Carrie Fraser does that make sense yeah I think so we'd have to talk to a historian to get back like we've got to get Lance Hornby to give us the Mount Rushmore he would know he's he's a true historian well I think a lot of like a lot of olderly fans would say like Harold Ballard too right like just the name Harold Ballard um that was that was pretty ugly but it's not like a moment you know what I mean that's just an era though like it was like years wasn't it with him yeah he was the owner for a long time yeah it was it was a tough that guy was something else man there's some old school clips of that guy that float out there he just like creepoid he was he had some really weird stuff going on yeah he had some really offside stuff and that picture of me pointing at Al's brother there's that one of him pointing at at the meia or something he's trying to get in his car he's holding his Cane he's got his glasses on he looks just like the meanest person on Earth I i' I've seen some captions for Al's brother one was saying get your ass back on the cruise ship that's that's it exactly we're loading get on quickly all right I love that more on that still to come overdrive continues TSN 1050 and on the TSN out all right mat from the park coming up in about 15 minutes Jets uh I wouldn't say they got blown out last night but the Niners just manhandled them and I should have known based on what I saw before the game you see the video of Robert Salah running the stairs at the stadium yeah the head coach like getting his workout in before the game a bad heroic it's so ridiculous I'm sorry I used to do that as a player yes as a player of course as a player the guys the coach get in the back and work up a scheme to stop Brock pie like come on dude work out on your own time it's dude Babcock did the same thing like he used to have this routine like he would run around the M like the the main level of the arena and he'd tell like a security guy he'd be like can you tie me on my way around let me know my T it's just it was so heroic and it's like do you need to do that like you you really need to do that yeah like they got all kinds of great Fitness stuff in the locker room well that's a better that's exactly it you you could easily do that behind the scenes but but like in my defense I liked running the stairs because you can't just like people in the NHL they just don't don't don't just put their gear on and go out on the ice like I like the burn it gave me like that sweat I used to fire a heat pack on my back and run up those stairs 10 times and I had like a lather on and that's how I got ready for a game and again players are completely exempt from my my stance you're an ath you totally give a hall pass to a player coach of course I do whatever you have to do to prepare everyone has different ways you're an athlete you're preparing to play he's preparing to hold a clipboard in call timeouts you don't need to run the stairs before the game time what time was that before the game that's my question CU if it's 5 hours before then H you know have at it I guess but if it was like 90 minutes before you probably should be doing something late enough that there was a camera that was like hey there's Robert Salah and maybe he was like hey just so you know I'm I'm going for a run I think it's part of a message to the guys that they that they got to be fit and they gota they got to be ready and it's part of the mental approach Andy re does Andy Reed run exactly think Andy Reid's running the stairs guys would I'm not kidding I think that guy buries nachos in his office I I think he does shock you no it wouldn't shock me but he's prepared and he's ready to win he's he's ready to win winner hour two coming up overdrive continues TSN 1050 and on TSN 4