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e and we should be live uh soon here gang okay just waiting on my guests and trying to get my own [ __ ] in order so bear with me for a few minutes and uh we'll get this party started e e okay rather than uh having you guys sit through the starting soon screen the whole [ __ ] time um just to let you know where we're at waiting on my guest to arrive uh should be here shortly I hope but um I'm really excited for this conversation because there's a lot to talk about when it comes to this particular topic um just a reminder everyone that we have two shows tonight do the first one will be the debate on the tenant uh accusations levied by the Department of Justice and within that conversation we'll also be talking about how YouTube has handled it how the individual creators that have been alleged to be duped have handled it um and just the reaction overall uh there's a lot to be discussed in this there's a lot to be talked about and I want to explore a lot of the things here uh we have some great guests for this if they decide to show up um we'll have uh baby in Liberty and nonsmoker will be here and they will be uh discussing with uh loner boox and Dylan Burns so should be fun this will be the first segment tonight okay it'll probably go till about 8:30ish uh and then we'll transition into a debate watch party because the other Big Show we have tonight is going to be a watchalong uh of the Kay Harris versus Donald J Trump debate uh that's tonight that's going to be at 9: Eastern um that'll be great I am I'm looking forward to it's going to be content baby I'm expecting it's going to be content okay we got some people with us that are going to be watching along with us and then joining the after debate react panel immediately after um it should all be good why not make it a single along uh I I suppose we could I I suppose that's a a possible thing that we could do but um yeah we'll see right we will see what happens rabid wombat nice to see you why does Twitch TV hate me also nice to see you cernus welcome welcome welcome I'm like 10 minutes late oh you're talking to rabid fair enough fair enough uh but yeah it hopefully it's going to be a good show today I'm excited I'm I'm I'm here for it right I got my soda I got a couple of snacks ready for the Long Haul okay we got some guests with us hello you guys are live by the way word so you know hear me yes I can hear you how are you doing all right just been busy yeah getting well just getting ready for getting ready for a move and everything so I've been on hiatus yeah fair enough where you moving well I guess I won't ask uh particulars right but uh is it a good I'm moving into the city oh okay I don't tell people where I don't tell people what I do for work because that could like get people to like figure out you know stuff if you're really smart you could figure out what I do for work if you've watched enough of my content probably but I don't like advertise it but like in terms of like where I live do the Russians pay me uh no okay then you are better than I work for then you're better than I mean I work for I work for an American company that is also internationally traded and has a lot of money and so probably like like at some point there's probably some Russian investment in some way or another I'll leave it at that oh you only hear me oh [ __ ] um they can't hear us what's going on uh no it's on my end oh loner box how are you doing sir good good how are you oh you know it's been a it's been a day but we'll get through uh nonsmoker hello yo what's up oh you know just living life uh we are only missing um Dylan Burns who actually is the one that dm' me about setting this up so hopefully he shows up otherwise uh well I feel confident confident that loner box can handle his own but uh we'll give him another minute or two um but yeah have you guys all been following the the various ins and outs of this I assume right everyone's kind of familiar with the indictment at least I hope yes y yeah yeah I mean I mean I'm like I said I've been on Hiatus and busy and stuff so I mean like I read the indictment but I haven't been like like like you know like you typically are when you're full-time streaming where you're like like you're going every everything you're reacting to everything like I don't know what a lot of streamers opinions on this are for example like I can probably guess that loner box and Dylan burns are on like the left side of this The neoliberal Establishment left side but I haven't watched them so I don't really know what it is that they've said or anything whereas like typically I would probably be following the people I'm going to debate or whatever no that's fair um well same with non-smoker right like I like I I assume he's he's gonna be on my side on this uh which is weird because every the only time we ever show up is we're on the same [ __ ] side despite being a goddamn communist and an ancap we are here for what we are well um let's see again we'll give a we got another minute Dylan's got another minute otherwise we're just going to get started because I want to respect everyone's time here um and when he gets here uh we can just slot him in um I guess while we wait just a a couple announcements of what I got coming up so tomorrow I'll be debating Destiny over the Alo flag recusal situation that'll be at 5:00 p.m. Eastern so that should be fun um and then on Friday going to be helping out uh Dylan actually um in moderating his debate with Larry sharp I believe on you think that but he's not here so obviously the Russians got him said one second okay there he is there he is okay gang's all here we got him the Russians didn't get him so we're fine hello hey can you hear us sir yes I can hear you fine beautiful beautiful okay well with that let's get started I'll do the intro we'll just get into it gang welcome welcome welcome one and all to yet another episode of Wick TV it's across ideological space where we can come together to talk about issues both political and cultural from the silly to the serious and gang have we got a show from you for you tonight recently the doj has just unsealed an indictment against Russian operatives that they claim have been funneling money into uh various commentators through a company called tenant in order right to spread Russian propaganda in violation of far right um so we are going to talk about the ins and outs of that tonight right is this simply the Department of Justice overreaching and punishing other people's Free Speech or is this an actual serious threat to American hegemon and democracy a lot to get into a lot to go over we got some great guests and uh I want to give the mic first to nonsmoker to give his thoughts and then we'll just go around and see what everyone thinks and then get into it cool cool nonsmoker what are your thoughts here yeah so the tenant media story uh I think it resonates with most Americans because there's an overall level of mistrust with the media and information in general right now uh I think public mistrust generally lies with mainstream sources but here we have a comparable example with alternative media uh I assume like all the other panelists here I'm against misinformation and I'm weary about the media's role whether it's mainstream or alternative media as a propaganda tool to persuade the public into acquiescence and consent with an agenda antithetical to the Public's interests with that being said we should ask ourselves some critical questions regarding the story how damaging was the content put out by tenant media in comparison to the 24/7 multi-billion dollar news industry which is is completely controlled by private interests which also includes alternative media which is controlled mostly by American content creators and often bankrolled by wealthy and Powerful Americans who have their own political interests uh an additional matter to consider is that if the the content produced may have served the interests of Russia but does that necessarily mean it's untrue content regardless of its source should not be T should be taken on a case-by casee basis its veracity is not necessarily contingent upon its origin I don't disagree that the individuals involved are guilty of what they are accused of but I have serious doubts about doubts regarding the potential damage caused by the content they created I also have major reservations about the inconsistent nature of far indictments in general as well as the hypocritical aspect of the charges themselves seeing that the US itself has repeatedly engaged in the spread of misinformation both domestically and internationally I worry about how this case is going to potentially be used to justify a broader Crackdown on in voices within media particularly ones who are critical of the US War Machine okay well thank you and uh we'll get into it as we go uh we're going to go and pass the mic to Dylan Dylan what are your thoughts here sure um so honestly speaking I saw some red flags before everything dropped and the biggest red flag for me uh was Tim P going on stream talking about Ukraine being the number one enemy of the world I know a lot of Libertarians who don't want to support Ukraine but none of them if I talk to them extensively are going to tell me that Ukraine is especially evil or Ukraine is especially horrible or Ukraine is like demonic compared to all the other statest entities in the world and so when I saw that that kind of threw me off and then I started to see some other things certain lies that we did find out were pushed by tenant media um and if something is true something is true if I know something is true even if it's pushed by another country like if China was to criticize an American politician for corruption there's only so much you can say but tenant media was asking content creators to lie for money uh Benny Johnson uh did do this when he was asked to spread misinformation about the Moscow terror attack trying to suggest that it was actually plotted or some way organized by the ukrainians and that these terrorists were trying to flee for Ukraine uh Tim P also suggested that it was the most likely scenario immediately after the Fallout of the terror attack saying they they were the most likely to do it um and the thing that I've noticed about a lot of these content creators is does none of them have a good track record in covering the War uh or really a good track record in covering Foreign Affairs generally speaking not only has Benny Johnson lied about the Moscow terror attack timol's lied about the Moscow terror attack Timol has suggested that it was the nordstream pipeline uh blowing up that started the war in Ukraine which is just like a basic timeline question um so is it truthful a lot of it isn't that doesn't mean all of it wasn't truthful I'm sure some of it was truthful you can find corruption in Ukraine to critique but the reason why these guys paid money is because number one they critiqued interests uh that uh critiqued American policy that was negative towards Russia I.E support towards Ukraine support towards NATO Etc and they were destabilizers Tim p is somebody who generally is not pushing to topics or content that is constructive he is somebody who constantly talks about Civil War he's somebody who constantly demonizes his political opponents he's somebody who brings people on the show to talk about executing their political opponents like Lauren lomer and others he is somebody who has pushed not only conspiracy theories around the Moscow terror attack but conspiracy theories around like pipel stand and other foreign policy nonsense that I've seen time and time again so it's not that surprising that the Russians would want to promote people like him the last thing I'll say is a lot of these people have started to paint themselves as victims of this as victims they have been victimized by the Russians because they were tricked and it is true that probably a decent amount of them were tricked we don't know which ones knew what we're just going to have to wait and see it looks like the founders probably knew more it looks like like the people that recruited probably knew less but I will say if somebody comes up to you to offer $400,000 a month plus a $100,000 signing bonus for a job that has no Prospect of profitability that both Founders said had no Prospect of profitability in the near to medium future then you should start asking questions you should start asking questions especially if you look up the finance years behind that operation and they don't exist this this right here should be a bipartisan thing even if you don't like the aidea of big capital or anybody with a lot of influence and money paying other content creators to espouse ideas that they agree with even if you don't agree with that a lack of transparency in that process makes it 10 times worse so you don't know who to trust and who not to trust which is the whole reason people come to Alternative media in the first place okay thank you lots to get into there but let's give some other people a chance for the opening statements then we'll get right into it uh Fabian Liberty Scott please give us what you got yeah so yeah there's so much to talk about in this and so it's it becomes difficult to parse out you know where we talk I I kind of agree with a lot of what Dylan said I agree obviously with almost everything nonsmoker said in this which is always weird to me um but you know I think I I tried to like summarize like how do we look at this and what do we go and the way that I kind of want to view it is from a perspective of incentives right like who what are the incentives of every action here and then I want to look at the evidence not claims right so so far we don't have any actual evidence but we have claims of evidence and and they're probably true right have three letter agencies do do [ __ ] like you know bring people to whouses and dose them on LSD and look at him through a two-way mirror like that [ __ ] is true but that's not usually what day-to-day three-letter agency [ __ ] is like the claims are probably true in terms of the evidence um but they're presented in really weird ways that kind of shows the doj incentives here um you know such as like Lauren chin for example you know Dylan even brought up one of the major pieces of evidence that shows that she's very clearly not a Russian stooge that knows she's getting Russian money because she brings up to people hey this doesn't look profitable like I don't see a good reason like she's clearly running it as a business which I think is a piece of evidence in her favor um that she's that she's being defrauded in this to a certain degree um this this idea and and again the left is kind of pushing this narrative as you saw Dylan do you know oh it's so much money therefore it should be this giant red flag that's how Fox News started that's how Vice started that is just how these things start is that you way way overpay in the hope of capturing names and getting brand recognition and then in your fourth or fifth year that's when you become profitable right Fox News was not profitable for the first five years they just burned investors money why because you need to get a big name and you have to spend a lot of money you know you know As the adage goes you know it takes money to make money um you know when I look at the incentives again and I look at the doj I'm like well what is the doj doing here right like why are they bringing this case because we we see the 2020 shutdown of the Mueller investigation well why was that investigation shut down it wasn't because they lacked evidence at least that was the claims U by the justice department it was that in order for them to go through with the trial it would require showing the Russians their intelligence gathering information because it would require them in Discovery to show them how they got their information how they got Discord things how they got their text messages how they get emails like who the potential assets and spies might be and so it wasn't worth it and there's this this seems to be even less worth it than let's say you know um influence at the DNC this is just influence of a few conservative streamers and so it kind of looks like they're taking a crisis and it kind of looks like Russians probably did do this right tried to get some influence maybe in the beginning stages of setting something up but then I look at the Russians and I'm like okay they were going to get caught obviously like if they were going to keep funneling money into the biggest names in alternative media to try and grow like a Fox News Vice news competitor they thought the CIA and the FBI and the IRS would never find out that the Russians were backing this like they obviously knew they were going to get caught and so if they knew they were going to get caught what's the goal is is are they just incredibly incompetent and stupid potentially I think the more likely goal is that they wanted to get caught and as soon as they get caught the Department of Justice the Democrats Hollywood and the institutions and the neoliberal kind of elite pushing the global homo agenda acts absolutely predictably which is freak out call tempool a Traer start blocking people remove people on YouTube censor people make up [ __ ] um and and so Division and Chaos in this country so you know I I want to look at the evidence I want to look at like the incentives I want to kind of get to the bottom of this and hopefully have a good conversation but so far my takeaway is very simple I I think that it's the evidence is likely true the conclusions that the doj is drawing from them are [ __ ] and stupid they probably know it's not a real case in the end because they're probably going to have to drop it for the same reason they Dro Mueller case um and I think the most likely Stooges of the Russians are left Wingers like Dylan Burns that push hyperbole on what's going on um as in means of sewing division instead of focusing on our real enemies okay we will obviously get into it as we go um loner box you're up and then we'll just start this show go ahead okay uh way back in the Cold War the Soviets ran something called operation Denver which was devoted to try and push the idea that aids was created in an American biolab uh they did that for quite a while had a lasting imprint I think Kanye had a song in 20 2005 that says the American government cre AIDS so it it left an imprint um but I think since then historians have kind of realized that this claim didn't originate from the Soviets it was already floating around beneath the surface amongst American circles I think it was mostly left-wing um activists who'd come up with it first um and then the Russians saw that and thought it was a good a good idea to amplify it that's kind of what they do I don't think a lot of these uh claims and pieces of disinformation that they come up with are generally their own invention I think they see it lying around in countries that they're trying to influence and then they push it that way and it's very intentional like um when an RT person was asked about their decisions in the brexit campaign in the UK when RT was covering that they were told by their editor anything that SS chaos is the RT line that's the goal it's to undermine opponents of Russia and ideally to stop countries from voting in governments that will uh potentially help Russia's enemies maybe like Ukraine um as far as what happened with this particular case with the indictment um at the end of the say if you want to do stuff on behalf of a foreign government you can do that you just have to register with far you have to disclose it uh we know that they didn't and we know why that they didn't because we know that Lauren Chen in um that indictment was found saying that well she said they knew that RT's budget would be large but uh quote I know being Russian some folks in the US aren't too haot in them lol obviously you look more authentic if you appear as not backed by the Russian government so you can see why they tried to hide it for as long as they could uh we know that they tried to put push lies at least once with the them trying to push the idea that the attacks from is is and Russia were actually done by the United States and Ukraine so we know that that was forward in the Discord um unfortunately like it doesn't even matter really if they get caught I mean as far as what happens with uh Dave Rubin Tim P Etc yeah maybe they didn't know I think at least in Tim p and Dave rubin's case if they didn't know at very least it is just a criminal level of retardation I mean how can you be so [ __ ] stupid to be getting what like more money in one year than Hunter Biden got for his entire 5 years at burisma and not ask a few questions what was going on we even saw an example of one of the questions that Dave Rubin asked which was that he was a bit worried that this what looks like an AI or stock image of a guy looking outside of a window of a plane but the only red flag Dave Rubin saw was that in the bio which is full of spelling mistakes and gram grammatical errors and typos that one of the lines was social justice that the only red flag he saw um so you can't jail someone for being stupid uh you would probably hope that they get discredited for the rest of their lives as commentators for it or at least for a long time but doesn't matter uh if you look at the social Blades of these creators they're uh they haven't moved they haven't faced blowback from this from their audiences because their their audiences don't care like that's what they are selling a product at the end of the day and that product is chaos it's political chaos so probably not much will come out with it um some people will probably overestimate it it's very easy to to get paranoid and sort to see Russian disinformation everywhere no a lot of it is just American but Russia definitely exploits it okay and speaking of disclosures I do get a check from Progressive Victory I'm pretty sure loner does and Dylan does as well um as far as I know uh so disclosed I don't think they're foreign act damn damn I'm on the wrong side where's my where's my check man I don't know you got to push up I got I got to s for the Russians harder what do I do but here's here's the thing that that's been said a couple times right on this uh this this this panel so far and I want to dig into it right um and I'm gonna ask this to Dylan first Dylan do you think this is um a Brier patch situation what I mean by that is right this is something that the Russians cooked up hoping that they would get caught hoping that no it's Russian information operations I I think it's um it's not necessarily that they wanted to get caught I just don't think they care if they did cuz they don't really care about the reputations of Dave Rubin Tim P or any of these people in fact when RT was asked by Fox News to respond to what happened their statement was and as follows number one haaha number two haaha number three haa I [ __ ] you not that was their full statement so to them it doesn't matter if they get caught or they discredit some alternative media people uh it's for them it's like it's like a machine gun the way that they push disinformation narratives is they put a million of them in a gun they fire every single one at the wall at once and they see which ones stick if this would have like lasted for another two months and just would have made it through the election and then they got caught it probably would have been better for the Russians cuz it seems that the most that it was likely intention intentioned at targeting the election or trying to affect the outcome of the election in some way but I think that for them like these people are disposable they don't really care about the assets they get overseas they see them as like I mean assuming that they didn't know they see them as useful idiots assuming that they did know they see them as traders who don't respect their own country so why should they get respect from them they're just again tool any other thoughts on this wait you you made a claim I'm curious about your claim um that you kind of have hidden in there right which is that you said it seems but why do you think it seems that the Russians favor um influencing the election in in that vein or in that degree oh well the more chaos they and more distrust they can Inspire in the election the less trust Americans have in their institutions the less trust they have in their institutions to public figures and their government the more friction there will be with their government the more distrust there is there the more they're focused on domestic affairs they're not focused on world affairs basically if you're focused fighting your government or fighting your neighbor you're not focused on fighting the Russians well no I agree with all that the problem here right is that you're you're not connecting the dots right like you're you're jumping to that like I don't disagree that that is a state of goal but that would just as be just as likely if they got caught right and the left was saying that everyone on the right is you know like and when I say the left I don't I don't mean you specifically in this regard right but I mean like the the the the Normy people that freak out on Twitter in the comment sections right that always kind of go a step farther than what the commentator says right like they're like like the the the same goal would be uh occurred by them getting caught then but why would funding Tim P or Benny Johnson or especially Dave ruin right who's like as about as is is actually like so milk toast right why would that specifically be the best bang for your buck or like there it's impossible to know exactly like Tim P I would say uh he's somebody who's very hyperbolic generally speaking um the if you look you know what I'll if if we're talking about Tim P I hate to do this but do I have to like read every time he's tweeted out we're about to have a civil war we're all going to shoot each other we're all going to die right I think we all know the meme yeah I think we're I think we're aware that he's ratcheting the Civil War thing for Content constantly I think a lot I think part of it was kind of like when you're fishing for people like this you don't get to just choose who you want it's not like the Russians could just walk up to Ben Shapiro and say Ben Shapiro here's a contract signed they have to convince the guy first there's no reason to fund the left right like the left own Hollywood the left own most of the bureaucratic St some some part portion of the left it depend Neal not the commi left right but like the neoliberal global homo agenda WF types right like they they are represented in basically all the institutions so if you're trying to incre partisanship and political chaos you're going to Target right-wingers probably just because has financed Fringe Communists as well but yes when you talk about like establish people who who believe that the American institutions as they lay today should somewhat remain the same or be preserved are not going to be the person uh that they're going to be financing they're going to be wanting to finance people around the election my my reason why I say that is because this is happening leading up to the election they are focusing on content creators that are largely political and are covering the election and the Russians have a history of directly trying to influence American elections not even necessarily to get a certain outcome but to create as much chaos and distrust as physically possible um so I mean I'm just I that's my dots if you want my dots I will say as well you want a more simple answer you could also just say like um I don't know I don't believe that Russia could necessarily be the Difference Maker like the king maker in a US election but elections are close it doesn't take that many people given how the Electoral College Works to actually FP the result we know that Republicans are less likely to want to support Ukraine than Democrats financially and with arms makes sense that they would want people to go Trump like it's in Putin's interest for America to go Trump I mean I guess you know what I mean like it's kind of like we're looking at an indictment which is a set of claims and and and some level of like you know like there's always an extra veil of information that we simply don't have access to right so like trying to figure out the 40 move do we think everybody should release their Communications and stuff like all the tenant media Communications and with staff cuz nobody's released like really anything or even described how they were convinced Tim P just said I remember when Tim P described it he said uh I was talking to him I said no and then eventually I said yes and I was like wait what what happened there why did $400,000 probably happened I think that's a pretty clear like here's $400,000 was $100,000 he was a worst negotiator oh fair enough so no I think I think I think you would be a [ __ ] idiot to release your Communications given the current state of things and unless your lawyer advises you to do so right like I don't think there's a moral impetus on any of these people to release their Communications whilst they're being targeted and investigated by the doj right like I think what you do is you go to your lawyer and you do what your [ __ ] lawyer tells you uh should they as has been uh I think expecting them to do that is is just a ridiculous thing or standard that most people would put released eventually they have to release it eventually in my opinion I mean if if you're I think the case is over know that you're communicating with people who are getting paid by Russian agents to finance you and people like I don't know if I'm going to trust you on the topic of Russia anymore CU even if the doj didn't find something that doesn't mean something wasn't there the Russians don't throw hundreds of thousands of dollars around for no reason you give us some evidence so we can trust you by the way sorry just here's problem here's the problem with that here's a very big problem with that hold on hold on I'll be quick here's a huge problem with that and the huge problem with that is this is either you trust the doj who has clearly shown in the indictment that they have access to all of the Communications or you don't trust the doj and if you don't trust the doj kind of why are we simping for them then wait if you I if they have access to all the communications then it wouldn't matter that they would release them because the doj already has all the evidence right which they show in the indictment that they have their Discord they have their emails right they're they're showing emails over a twoyear period want to Rel Communications to prove that they were like tricked and they were obviously it was a very good comp I mean Tim keeps calling it a comp complicated because because it's because it's complicated and you go to your [ __ ] lawyer and you do what your lawyer says right there could be all kinds of issues no don't don't give me that [ __ ] you would not hold that standard to every single person that they immediately just release all ask me if I would hold standard for any of my if I found out my friend was taking money from the Russian government I would be as acidic towards them as I would be acidic towards other people what if your friend said my lawyer said don't release them currently releas them eventually you have to release them eventually if you want people to trust you again you have to release them yeah CU argument is that he's not he's innocent like he's not guilty of any crime and if the dog is seeing all the communications it's not like any new indictments going to come out if he releases the communications well there might be indict there might be indictments coming down the pipeline we don't know what's the negative CH is it gonna hurt their case at all like how does it hurt their case if they already have all the evidence I mean well well the thing are you denying that they have the evidence like you know that they have their email and they have I didn't I didn't disagree with I said if they have all the EV if the doj has everything they got them already right then why would releasing evidence be like see they tricked me I don't know anything here's the communic that matter at all let's I I can yeah so let's let's say this is cooked up [ __ ] by the doj let's just say for for for for whatever reason right we're just pretending I'm not saying it is let's let's say we're pretending right and let's say the the French investor isn't real or whatever but like there were legitimate people um you know like let's say the pr firm isn't actually Moscow funded right they just happen to have Russian ass names and be a PR firm which is who Lauren chin is connected to if that's the case and you just release all DMS all business Communications especially if those Communications have information that might be sensitive to other investors or things like that you could ruin you might not ruin your public approval but you might ruin your ability to work with other investors and other people that haven't been implicated in in an indictment and also are legitimate honest actors but you're putting out their private information maybe somebody else is giving you money they're part of the communic you know I mean there are reasons not to do that I do have a question for Dylan right if you want these in uh these uh these commentators who have been um implicated in this to release all their Communications in info would that include the communications between you and Lauren Southern when you were setting up your hippie dippy do you think that she should release the DMS with that sure if she wants to because I never talked to her that was all Conor you go embarrass him Conor points I wish he was here but that's okay no but fair enough Progressive Victory paid person just for you know for us to just like what like what happens when like what happens when some autistic Nazi finds out that the Russians funneled some level of money through Progressive Victory right are does every single Progressive Victory streamer now have to [ __ ] release all their [ __ ] Communications like you don't [ __ ] right choice that you make right like you're like a [ __ ] cop going let search well I don't I don't have anything to SC you don't have anything to hide you should let me search your car like [ __ ] off so the the scenario we have to believe in in order for them not to want to release their Communications to to show their EV innocence as they all claim to be victims has to be that the doj basically just made it all up that the Hungarian businessman is actually real he is doing work I just gave you no I just gave you I just said if there are other private investors that may have been involved but W any communication look then right but if they do that then you'll be like well you what's this black you didn't release all the communications [ __ ] you're just being a little [ __ ] about it okay I'm not being a [ __ ] you got defeated in an argument you're being a okay i' I've been slain okay look the the problem that I have with this is my problem isn't going to be wow you blocked out their address oh my God you haven't shown the true extent of your Communications with these agents oh you showed the financial wiring numbers for this this this I want they their name inv let me finish I want the stuff of them communicating on how they got convinced how Tim went from I don't want to do it to okay I'll take your money and I will push your lies I want to see that process because if they're saying that they weren't fed anything and that's what Tim is saying even though he was pushing narratives that they asked creators to push and We Know It And they were taking this money then we should just see what convinced them that this Bullit prove in yeah it's also not prove just wait so you're saying that I no no F you're saying that my standard would be I have to see their address I have to see the wiing numbers I have to see answer this question very quickly answer this very simple question have you ever watched a project veratos video on stream and said that this was selectively edited or or any of these other things and said oh this is selectively edited I want the full transcript with zero edits whatsoever because if that's your okay sure but you I know I guarantee we go through fans of project very I know that might be surprising to you but I'm not I've met the staff I guarantee that I guarantee at some point in time you have said that these are selectively edited videos maybe not project V does exist but my problem wait wait my problem with not I'm not asking for every single message that could reveal every single private piece of embarrassing info all I essentially want is how these guys got tricked not only so they can prove their own innocence but so other people can see how you can get recruited by these Intel operations if they genuinely think they're the victim they need to help other people from being victimized okay we both know you're bullshitting right now if they did that you would demand that they show everything you just can't stand like a normal piece of like hey come on show me evidence you're not a Russian agent okay we got sure sure we got panel that we need to get in here loner's been trying to get in I want to give I want to give space to nonsmoker who hasn't said much as well loner you had something to say I'm going to give you the mic real quick and then we're going to pass it to nonsmoker and get him in on this because again I want to expand the conversation a little bit yeah as far as I know with Tim P he it's not that he said no and then they offered him money or something happened I think he already made the claim very clear with his money because I think Lauren Chen is communicating with the the Russians as she calls them and then uh she says that this will have to be 100K video to be worth his while and then he asks about the Edward Gregorian person they send him that fake LinkedIn and that seems to be all that it took seems the fake LinkedIn profile that with this person who apparently is linked to all these big Banks and has these like pretty high-profile jobs but can't be found anywhere online that was all it took for Tim P Dave Rubin at least said I'd like to know something more is there a profile is there an article is there anything else about him and then that's when he got the given the [ __ ] fake CV so with Tim P at least according to the indictment he asked one question and was Satisfied by a fake LinkedIn is that not right I mean as far as the indictment claims yeah right now IND claims right now it makes sense because maybe he um might risk incriminating himself or like there might be a lawyer telling him not to release these DMS until the future but if it turns out as when it's all said and done and this indictment is over and there's nothing there's no future indictments and we know that he's innocent I think it would probably fair to say it's in the public interest for Tim P to show that he wasn't like how exactly he was such a [ __ ] beanie brain that he like how how this process actually took place for him to accept this money because he's a [ __ ] political commentator not only is that he Brands himself as a [ __ ] investigative journalist right he call himself an investigative journalist this guy like uh yeah [ __ ] 100K a video from this YouTube channel that's making abs like 2K views of video like yeah okay no people need to people deserve to be hear more than that I think I that's in the public interest 100K for 2K views let me get on in that but you investigated project Pro Progressive Victory and they're funding or do you just know that they're a pack and that they're funded Rand but the funded by random people that align with those presumed stated interests it's all blue money have you done that it's all blue money all blue money don't go there yeah well act blue so who knows you know what I mean especially when they don't actually keep track of this mean if the Russians want if the Russians want to self- sabotage and like uh fund some of their loudest opponents in Independent Media then whatever fine like yeah but I I think it's quite unlikely okay uh I want to give the the ball or the mic I should say to nonsmoker for a little bit he's he's s sitting there very patient very you know stoic but I want to give you a chance to have a say so go ahead I I I just want to mention you know I mean in terms of like releasing the communications I mean release them don't release them I don't give a [ __ ] if they waterboard Tim P who gives a [ __ ] like that's not at all the interesting part of the story to me anyway um you know I I I do want to go back to something loner boox talked about and something that Dylan mentioned as well um and that's the idea that a lot of the the Russian narratives that are pushed in alternative media have to do with like sewing Discord and distrust that the American people have or exploiting you know such uh such things I I I think that there's a grain of Truth to that but I think it's not so much that Russia is putting that stuff out there and you know proliferating those narratives and that that's kind of like the problem I think the problem is they speak to to real underlying problems that American people deal with on a day-to-day basis you know like a lot of the the right-wing Outlets you know I'm not overly familiar with all the content tenant created but people like that right and in that sphere you know they focus on things like crime they focus on things like immigration you know they focus on uh various you know social issues that are you know super provocative and I think that they do that not necessarily because they're trying to get the American people to distrust the government but the American people kind of have an inherent distrust of the government already and they're just sort of exploiting that um I actually think the Russians have a a very specific political alignment with the right-wing namely Donald Trump I you know I question to the extent that they collaborated with Trump in such a manner in 2016 that it it caused him to win the election but I absolutely think I mean there are there's tons of documented evidence that Vladimir Putin had essentially like a personal Vendetta against Hillary Clinton and the bidens you know I think that the Russians ultimately you know even though I think we tend to think of them as like not as sophisticated or well thought out with this stuff I think that they have a very certain uh geopolitical goal here in controlling who is in power in America and that is they want a more doish stance towards Russia and they want to politically marginalize however they can anyone who has more of a hawkish stance towards Russia thoughts on that I'll say the real issues thing to there's a grain of Truth to that that what they'll do is they'll I don't know they would do this on Russia Today is they'll bring on people to talk about things like poverty or they bring on people to talk about things in the united St like rundown communities and they'd go on and on and on and then they transition into a segment about like why crimeia belongs to Russia right they'll drag people in with issues that matter to Americans and coverage that maybe they don't feel like they're getting on other outlets and then they'll spoon feed them narratives that would be useful for the Russian State Russia today's main goal and that it's F financed by the Russian government for this is to advance their interest so I um I would be hardpressed to believe that in any point in their coverage even though you could probably find it with one individual there one individual there the main purpose is to like bring attention to the real issues it's part of the reason why in some instance they'll bring up real issues in other instances they'll just make up completely contrived issues they'll either make stuff up with like the Algerian boxers or they'll [ __ ] make stuff up with with uh the I know that you know the Moscow terror attack or other things in the United States I'm hearing I've seen a lot of those same accounts pushing the Haitian cat eating story are you accusing that of being Russian propaganda um no not over to right-wing commentators uh when we talk about the haian cadan story I've seen some russan pro-russian accounts pushing the story and so what I've noticed is what'll happen is this there'll be some lie or some rumor or some weird conspiracy theory that's online it'll get picked up or if it's not developed by the Russians themselves it'll get picked up it'll get spread around then after a while it get spread around it'll get debunked but by the time it's debunked by you know the liberal fact Checkers Heroes Supermen out there uh like maybe one tenth of the people actually see it and then they'll move on to the next thing I think there's a really good example of this is the uh the fake story about it was two of zelinsky's advisers who apparent you know were accused of buying uh Yachts for $75 million right never happened but um what happened was that this it seemed to originate because MTG tweeted out this like uh strategic culture Intel front that was actually created by the Russians and they'd already been sanctioned like it was already a sanctioned organization running it so she tweeted this thing out saying that zenis advisor bought a couple of Yachts with [ __ ] probably Aid money and but it turned out that way before the Russian article came out JD Vance had just kind of like mentioned it in passing at a TP uh conference so it seems to be that they find things that yeah they find things that are floating around and then just jump on it and amplify it because that's easier right it's easier to jump on a claim that already some Americans are into than just to like invent one out of thin air but that still doesn't mean they're not like part of the problem you know interesting um I me so likee please no go ahead oh oh well you said please when I said go oh no yeah please go ahead just like I just want to say I don't want this I don't want this panel to divulge into like a leftwing right-wing which issues and debunks are correct and incorrect in this right like I you know like you know we could obviously debate all of these issues which is what mostly what the culture war on tenant media did right was bring on people to discuss these issues and um not a lot of leftwing people in that regard though supposedly he invites them all the time I don't really buy that um but um what I would say is that like the Russians are just one player in a broken social media system that we have in general right like every every day dead internet Theory gets more and more real and like tracking down where or why [ __ ] narratives spread from the left or the right because there's plenty of crazy like to this day there's a significant portion of the left that believes that Donald Trump staged an assassination attempt and and hired a shooter to kill a fireman at his rally um because he needed a boost in the numbers right like you you can you can say that the right and the left have these crazy ideas and so again returning back to the incentives right what is it that Russia is trying to get if it is indeed the Russians right which if we just assume that it is true and that it's not [ __ ] made up by the doj which I think it probably is true to some degree um what is the incentive and it seems like everyone is kind of agreeing that the incentive is to sew some level of Discord in Internal Affairs the other incentive is to boost more dovish stances but the the evidence that that is the prim Prim AR thing is really scant in the indictment right like we look at the evidence it seems that like yeah they asked Benny Johnson to produce a video um what what you which you consider and I I don't care to even get into it whether it is or isn't a fake news story right let's assume sure I'll even give you that like I like that's not really the concern the concern I'm sorry to interrupt but like in my mind right I deal with these conspiracy theories all the time because I people come to me and they'll be like Dylan I heard this about you I remember going to my dad's friends and I'm having a beer with my dad for the first time it was a great moment his friend comes up to me ask me about [ __ ] biolabs I I interact with this stuff in like some crazy places I've seen like Timol and all these other creators talk so much about like man the lies around 911 the lies around all these consp and I'll hear these theories I'll hear these theories about conspiracies about pipeline ofan or this and all these theories about what the Deep State's really doing and then when they're directly getting implicated in what would be considered a Russian deep State oper it like doesn't matter at all they're directly implicated in a conspiracy and it's like eh it doesn't really matter all that much anymore this but again you're playing politics for one side like I date a lot of black girls and I've been to a lot of black cookouts and let me tell you when I'm the white guy at a black cookout there's always one person that wants to talk about like an Neal gland shrink or [ __ ] like no what I'm saying is that there are crazy conspiracy theories that are abound in the left and the right and online and in social media that occur people what I'm just [ __ ] with you just continue no but I'm saying thing very clearly like like a left-wing uh like conspiracy theory that's not of right-wingers that think that the whites have shrunken pineal glands because they're melan and don't get energy from the Sun and that's why we're bad people so so Vig for $2 has has uh said has told me to say that Scott's being bad faith and we are we sure he's not RT funded so thank you for that money uh but dude if I was RT fun it I'd be streaming instead of trying to pick up extra hours fa enough um Can can I just can I just ask uh maybe to shift the conversation just a little um right after 10 the doj indictment dropped um very shortly after it appears YouTube deleted tenets media channels on YouTube right all their uh tenant Affiliated and Lauren Chen's Affiliated right and then they kind of just snuck in demonetizing Candace Owens too they're like you know I don't know if that was connected to that but I think it's re the same time sure I I think it's reasonable to assume that the uh doj indictment and the uh Banning of tenant or the the removal of tenant content is might be connected right um do we think that that was the move do we think that YouTube uh a simple indictment by the doj uh Justified YouTube removing their channels what do we think gang what are our thoughts you talked enough I'll I'll answer later uh I would say no I mean like whatever potential damage the videos would have done if we're going to entertain that narrative that they're like you know uh the misinformation uh held Within These videos is destroying America you know the damage was already done at that point um and I think that it's kind of like a matter of public interest to some extent that if there is misinformation like that being spread uh by a foreign government as the indictment contends and it's you know a threat to our democracy and blah blah blah shouldn't we be able to access the content and see for ourselves exactly what it was I mean a lot of it is mentioned in the indictment but not all of it I don't see why that was necessary um just my take I don't know I mean it's nothing to do with damage it's it's either whether you broke to or in more unique cases like this is YouTube is just going to feel like they're going to look bad to advertisers whever if they're hosting a company that was like funneling secretly Russian money to start itself up and host its content like maybe it's a bad decision in terms of free speech and everything for for YouTube I mean it's like Russ spons content on YouTube anyway yeah there's disclosed Russian sponsored content yeah but not like people who are caught up in the in the middle of this massive like uh in this big story with the indictment so um I can see why YouTube felt like uh iffy about keeping it up but that's just them trying to save their own face being a company you know I don't think it's necessarily the right thing to do okay it's interesting Dei you're gonna lose some Dei points if you if you keep up [ __ ] that's supposedly funded by the Russians I mean some of it's actually some of it's already uh reuploaded but you can see it's funny that you mentioned dead internet Theory because that was actually one of their videos done by Lauren Southern and it's funny that in this whole half hour video she uh yeah in this half hour video she like she mentions Russia like twice and it's just mocking people who think Russia's interfering in US politics yeah that just really funny okay I do I do want to throw out there I think that individual content creators should probably not be banned cuz we don't have any evidence that any any individual content creator like Matt or Kyle or any of these other people definely definitely small can I just say by the way Matt and Kyle they're the ones that are getting [ __ ] okay they're the small creators Tim pool's fine okay the rest of them will be fine they're both all relatively wellknown these are guys who have really now undercut their careers early on when they're trying to grow and it's going to follow them for the rest of their career so I mean I don't I don't even want to pick on them because they [ __ ] themselves in a way so I've let leave them to their own devices um but like when it comes to tenant media itself well can I just do you want to respond quick no I thought you done I'll let you respond if I can finish my point after okay ten I was saying I was just starting let Dylan get all of his stuff out and then uh we'll give you the ball to you Fabian yeah media specifically I think should be removed tenant media was not disclosing its finances which is against uh to and they're also being financed by a sanction organization and so I think both of those things combined make easy justification for removing it information Warfare is part of warfare and they wanted to do it covertly and it's the dishonesty of that that makes me believe the tenant media doesn't deserve a place on YouTube yeah I was just going to say for right-wing commentators especially um the way that you eat the way that you make money is not ad Revenue right every right-wing commentator knows that their days are numbered to being demonetized on any major platform whenever they put out content right like if you're a left Winger you're way and this is true of the left as well right like I mean look at somebody like Destiny right but if you're a left Winger you you have a much longer timetable at least statistically speaking that you're going to get demonetized or that you're going to get removed from the platform if you're discussing politics but if you're discussing right-wing politics you know like most of your videos are going to get demonetized individually anyways like I think like 90% of my videos get demonetized within like the first 10 seconds that they go out it's very rare that I have a monetized video um but the way that you make money is by brand deals right like and and so when you get implicated in really poor business decisions as well as potentially you know being funded by the Russians or something right I was just kind of adding to that that's that's pretty much going to ruin your career to make any money because even if you get a following what are you going to do get a following on Rumble like even if you get a following on YouTube and you get your account back you're still probably going to be demonetized for 90% of your content anyways I mean I I was demonetized for 10 months it was brutal um it cost me like 30 30 to $40,000 which as you know somebody running the margins on my business as I do uh it's pretty brutal um I don't really work much with brand deals but I also run a different business than they do uh but it is true that they probably they've probably screwed themselves like I have no problem going after like uh and even though I disagree with them probably on everything but like there's no reason for me because Tim and the rest of them they're the ones that are going to go on their metrics haven't made effect at all they're the ones whose reputation needs to be dragged through the mud to on all these issues they are the ones calling themselves investigative journalists while not doing an investigation into who giving them hundreds of thousands of dollars and they're the ones that went to Libya and [ __ ] you know Tim went to eurom myON people forget this he was in eurom myON During the idon Revolution he was on Reddit doing ask me anything like ask me about the war I'll tell you all ask me about the idon I'll tell you all the things and now he's gone down to the level where he's calling Ukraine like the number one enemy of the United his reputation [ __ ] these are the people that should be getting to main uh uh damage from this honestly well that I don't disagree with what you're saying there but the money thing has to be addressed right because this is a b this is like it reminds me of like why there's a cap on on how much juries are allowed to award award people in car accidents because people know how much money insurance companies have so they'll just come up with astronomical figures um because they just hate people people that have a lot of money and they're just like whatever you have billions you can pay you know one billion to this person for getting rear ended and having their neck hurt right um it's kind of the same situations going on here and both you and loner boox Dylan um have have kind of like put this out here like it's this astronomical amount of money it's probably four times more than what his show is on culture war is worth but again that's how this businesses run like like timpool makes a lot of [ __ ] money right I don't know exactly how much money he makes but he makes a lot right and and and to and the idea that it is astronomically too high well Lauren chin went to him once and he denied it and said no that's not enough money she went back to her investors and then she's like look in order for this to be financially feasible for him he needs $100,000 I think that's too much money I don't I think that we don't have it and then they went ahead and did the deal anyways right so it's not like it's not like they came to him with this an astronomical amount of money that he couldn't [ __ ] turn down that's what he said culture war was worth for a new burgeoning um conservative media platform knowing that the business model is to get big names grow your business to profitability years down the road um it's just that he's rich and like so we're like it's too much money that should be a red flag no that's what he negotiated it's not a red flag no way sorry I want give it to L I want to give it to ler I want to give it to loner loner go ahead I think I think like he even comp he compared to who's the [ __ ] footballer who's married to Taylor Swift he compared it to that as if he's in the same league as that guy as if he's in the same league as that [ __ ] guy right like no like this maybe if it was like um he not he's like one of the biggest political channels in on YouTube right is there a bigger political Channel on YouTube okay we're talking about YouTubers okay do you know how do you know how people talk about like alt media growing all that but it's still basically dwarfed by the size of mainstream media do you understand that like connection like T this maybe for like Mr Beast maybe for Tim P that would have have a flag for investigative journalist he negotiated that money and yes it's it's it's more than it's worth like it's a [ __ ] talking point that you say to give Canon fodder to your audience like it's not a real genuine thing that you're saying like there's plenty of real critiques that you guys have given in this debate that I completely agree with but to but to say it you just know that people hate rich people and that it's a lot of money and you know that it makes him look bad and he's your political enemy so you say this [ __ ] line like you know it's [ __ ] so you think you know it so wait do you think wait do you think Tim Paul did his due diligence with finding out whether or not that money was legitimate or not or whether or not there was something behind it I don't know what you mean by due diligence but I certainly know that he did not investigate it in any way shape perform close to what someone who's also claimed to be an investigative journalist ought to have done to ensure this Safety and Security of their business dealings right think you think part of the money was was part of that red flag the amount of money like 100k of for like a like a one did they offer him 100K of video or did he negotiate that he negotiated with his friend he asked for it he said this is my number right so like then you're saying that that number should have been a red flag when it's literally the number he [ __ ] gave how is that a red flag the red flag is that they have that money again that's how business is done when you're one of the biggest names in conservative media period see I would I would understand wait if this was Fox I would if this was Fox I'd still be like that's a lot of money for Fox but I mean at least it's like a reputable this is nobody nobody a person that does not exist comes up to Tim and starts hey this businessman doesn't exist is offering you this money well how about this businessman that I'm not going to go Google his friend Lauren Chen his friend says that for years yes which he shouldn't have but he said I this person I'm going to trust I'm going to trust this person about this Finance here this businessman that we don't know isn't real Google nothing comes up no existence in the world he does he says oh well how about more money they come back with that more money knowing it's not going to be an profitable Endeavor from their side and he says okay I'll take the money he you don't think in any part in the process like Googling of course I agree with that I literally just said that he did not do his came up to me and said i000 sub YouTube video channel Dylan and I want I want to offer you $3,000 a month to give you that and I said and I don't want to do this $20,000 he comes back and offers me $20,000 that should be a red flag because there's no way they can make that money back how does Lauren Chen access that type of money she's been to RT she's been working with the rest because it's not the same business model right like you and I'm not trying to insult you you're a fairly big name in politics but you're not [ __ ] Tim pool obviously right not Tim right right so what I'm saying is is the person that is coming to him right the person that is coming to him that is a friend that he's worked with right and who has helped out a lot of people right she helped out like a actual Justice Warrior a bunch of people right she's helped out a lot of people in theit who's trusted amongst these people came to him right and says we're starting a new Media company and we need big names because we're going to be the next Fox News we're going to be the the the next like we're going to dwarf daily wire in five years like that's the goal and we have investors for it now I agree with you he should have done more investigation asked who's the investor right that's a basic question I agree I well he did but like he didn't go further than that which he should have right he just trusted his friend which you said and I kind of AG dingleberry and they said dingleberry is good okay that's not what happened I mean there was supposed to be a zoom call right like with the investor but they you know what I mean like it was it was more complicated there was no there was no Zoom call they didn't have a zoom call they ended up using doing a call on a service where you can alter the uh the quality of the audio to make it sound like your voice sounds like something else they chose that allegedly but yeah agreed allegedly to the indictment yeah the indictment is just accusations from the government like those like we don't actually have any we no one has seen that is almost certainly true with a 0 4% acquittal rate yeah right okay what is what's their 4% what's their what's their percentage on [ __ ] Russia things because they've had to drop those before because they can't give the Russians their um their how they get those things so if you're at the doj you know having seen Mueller case get dropped because if this goes to trial through Discovery Russia is going to discover H how they get their information how they get emails how uh different intelligence gathering operations and they know that it's likely to be dropped that's a little bit different than Rico charges or like corporations working in South America like sure you can use the whole Corpus but when we're talking about what people think at least especially when it comes to opinion right but if we're talking about how the doj operates with Russia Russia Russia to months before an election I don't know they're [ __ ] it ain't a 97% win rate it ain't a 99.6% win you Sor do you know that do you know that the doj is getting like a what like a 10% plus acquittal rate from investigations to do with Russia like that's all their all the the% of the 70,000 indictments that come from the federal government like do you think those are do you think it's all Russians like it's all to do with Russians the Muller investigation turned out doesn't make any sense that's no I'm saying are you saying the point 4% of federal indictments that get acquittal is that like all made up of Russian cases or what is that what you're suggesting no I'm I'm saying you've got this data you can show me because it doesn't sound like you do you're no I I don't think you listen to what I'm saying what I'm saying is is that the entire Corpus of Corpus of indictments and their success rate isn't necessarily going to be one to one when dealing with um obviously political um cases that deal with Russia and when you're talking about those things I think there is an assumption that is that is certainly uh likely at the doj that even with these indictments these indictments are likely going to be for show unless they have a really strong case and they're willing to allow the Russians in Discovery to discover some of their intelligence gathering operations and I don't think this is worth the doj and I don't think anyone at the doj thinks it's worth giving the Russians in Discovery some of the information on their intelligence gathering capacities I mean even if that's true that doesn't mean that nobody committed a crime and nobody was covert or nothing happened all that means is that that they might not offer everything because if they did then they wouldn't be able to bust up operations like this in the future no what I'm saying is that utilizing past conviction rates in in in this specific case is kind of a bit of an apples to Orange is comparison that's what I'm saying I'm saying that this case is unique in that it deals with the Russians in that it deals with elections in that it deals with you know justif I mean you have Meritt Garland saying [ __ ] that his own [ __ ] Indi that their own indictment doesn't say their own indictment paints Lauren chin as a [ __ ] victim when you actually look at the evidence and then you have him using like language that is over the top because he knows that he can't I don't know this actually let me pause let me let me not get too emotional there might be an indictment that comes down the pipeline further with more evidence and Lauren chin very well may be super [ __ ] guilty but what they put out so far is circumstantial at best and so you have him saying things that he knows can can have the same power without actually having to get a conviction all the doj has to do is put forward inflammatory speech and they know that people that work with them in the Aspen Institute and Nos and YouTube and Google will censor for them and we destroy these people without them actually having I want to give some uh I want to give some doj stats some some um some stats have been thrown out and I just want to give my viewers kind of a um at least from the sources I'm looking at kind of a more holistic overview so this is from 2018 okay so this it may have changed in the past six years I'm not sure but out of the 80,000 people who were defending in federal criminal cases 2% went to trial the overwhelming majority 90% pled guilty instead and the remainder had their cases dismissed so 8% dismissal rate so an acquittal rate and a dismissal rate are not the same right so acquit is means you go to trial right and then you are acquitted um when they dismiss it it is not counted under that so again yeah that happens like raped cases all the time just cuz there isn't enough evidence that doesn't mean a rape didn't occur it me that they don't have the evidence to it doesn't tell me what kind of of cases were no no I'm just saying like in general like like if I'm just I'm agreeing with you that a dismissal doesn't necessarily mean innocent it just means that the state doesn't want to pursue charges either because it's not worth the money or they you know they got some concession already or because they don't have the evidence I just wanted here's a question okay I got you yeah okay so here's a question then um what's an example don't haven't looked too much into this uh what's an example of a Federal indictment involving uh Russia whatever that didn't result in any guilty pleas or convictions what's an example of of a specific case and then you want to discuss that case isn't there the like the Concord firms that was dropped for the very I can't remember the exact name of it um there's a New York Times article that they talked about on it let me see if I can grab that for you and throw it in the uh okay while you're while you're grabbing that um I wanted to give the uh trying to get in I think and then I know nonsmoker has been trying as well so we'll give it to Dylan and we'll give it to nonsmoker while you do that so no you can go I have nothing to say at the moment go ahead nonsmoker I mean I I don't have a too much I I kind of feel like we moved away from like a lot of the points I was more interested in in the conversation honestly um bring up your Shores bring it back I guess we could just switch to something else entirely I mean like I kind of want to talk about far A little bit you know like I I kind of think it's worth mentioning far if anyone's not familiar is like a relatively or was at least pre 2016 like relatively obscure uh rarely used you know piece of uh I guess Federal legislation to try and uh indict foreign Nationals and the application of far is like very I would say inconsistent across the board um you know there's a number of examples uh uh there's a number of examples of people who do things to try and influence the US population and and the outcome of Elections on behalf of other governments namely Israel is probably the biggest offender of all and there's lots and lots and lots of example of people who spread propaganda on Israel's behalf yet they are not indicted under far but it seems that everybody associated with spreading Russian narratives is and I want to know if anyone else has a take on that like why is it that we don't the the federal government doesn't utilize far more often to Crackdown on for example people like I don't know you can maybe even make an argument of someone like Miriam adidon who spent something like aund million this election cycle I know a lot of that is through legal lobbying right but there's also to consider the fact that she owns a media Outlet in the US uh or co-own the Las Vegas Review Journal um she's a huge supporter of Benjamin Netanyahu uh she owns one of the larger newspapers in Israel promotes netanyahu's campaign um you know someone who's spending that amount of money C for my uh just for my edification what is she an American citizen uh she uh she's an Israeli born person who I believe is American citizenship yes so she she spends unbelievable amounts of money advocating for the interest of a foreign government um which you can do that's nothing to do with far though right like well I guess that's my point it it doesn't fall under Fara seemingly because people well some of her efforts are legal lobbying but I would argue the amount of money and the amount of power that she wields the amount of influence she has uh through various various channels I mean like what about rert Murdoch and the amount of positive uh you know promotion of Israel's interests that that entire media network does uh and his close relationship with Netanyahu as well I mean like there's lots of examples I mean uh the Israeli spyware firm you know like we could go into a bunch of different uh examples but I'm wondering why is it that Farah is never really applied towards people who promote Israel's interests but it is uh exclusively almost for people who promote Russia's interests because there's no evidence the isra government supports uh gives money to APAC that's it that's all it's open and shut and APAC existed for a long time us presidents have been at odds with APAC at different times in history like we've had um like the behavior of Ronald Reagan towards uh Israel when it came to their behavior in Lebanon we've had Jimmy Carter fighting uh tooth and nail against [ __ ] uh makak and Bean over the cam David Accords we've got um withholding of10 billion do worth of aid from Bush senior and uh James Baker when it came to uh the Madrid peace conference in the 90s like American presidents have been pretty aggressive towards Israel at different times um something would have come up by now wouldn't there the the is government giving money to APAC or anything else that's why they're not under far probably don't get money from the isra government also this concord's case this was not thrown out just for a lack of evidence was it I literally said it was that was the case that I was discussing where I said that it wasn't worth it to the doj because they would have to give in Discovery the Russians information on some of their intelligence gathering uh procedures right so it's just not worth it to get um convictions when you've kind of the thing thing is is that a lot of this is like once the indictment comes out right to give the doj like their their um their due diligence right to try and not be as as anti-state as I am because [ __ ] the doj but to give them their due right like like if you do the indictment and you make it public and the media is covering it right like the they've kind of already been exposed in that Avenue right so some of the damage you know just getting indicted does a lot of damage between legal fees and a lot of those things right I mean like you you know some might even call it lawfare to a certain degree where just the case itself is going to cost you a lot of money and expose a lot of things and so it's not worth it to the doj I would say that similarly I don't think that this case unless there's more indictments coming down the pipeline right um where there's more information and I don't think it's I don't think when I say it's kind of a [ __ ] case I don't mean that the evidence is cooked up by the CIA what I mean is that it's probably not going to go to trial and lead to a conviction because it's not worth it for them to do so because they would have to in Discovery give up information that they probably don't want to give up and it's way more worth it for them to just say how evil Lauren chin is say say that these people are like you know like hint that they're traitors and like let YouTube censor them let the lawsuits proceed let them their reputation be damaged and then and also they get a win for their election cycle you know to help their candidate and then they can just kind of let no I complet like you're I feel like you're always like saying about the right thing and then you have to like shoehorn this bit at the end where it's like it's almost like you just you just use different words to say it just sounds like you're saying like the doj is coping ahead of time because they think the Democrats might lose the election that sounds like what you're saying but at the end of the day like they had a criminal case same thing with with Concord because it wasn't thrown out for a lack of evidence it was thrown out for like you said like there was a lot of like fuing wacky [ __ ] going on around that that they want to they want to do the IND I'm saying that my prediction unless there are more um indictments with additional evidence coming down the pipeline that the doj's goal here is to do reputational damage to do to get their money and their and their businesses hurt in such way to harm these people that they believe are at the very at the very least Russian funded bad guys right like it doesn't even necessarily need to be our political opponents and I'm also saying yeah it's it's it if you want to do that if that's your goal the perfect time to do that is two months before an election like that's when you would want to do that that's when it's going to have the most impact it's going to get the most news it's going to do the most damage and it's going to help you in your align goals if you believe that like right-wing influencers are you know funded by Russians and that this is a problem and that they have the wrong opinions like it is to to state that like the doj is like this entirely unbiased unpolitical entity that doesn't have part of that as their interest is just silly so it seems like they're onto a crime but the timing is convenient because it's close to an election right am I just summarizing you more or less accurately like in a short way I would say that the two Russians indicted specifically if if they're not lying which I don't think they are the most likely scenario is that they did commit a crime in terms of far now to question how big of a crime is that well my next question though is that like tenant media how long was this operation going for a little over a year think like a year so so the time it took them to figure out something yeah so the time it took them to figure out something was going on to gather the evidence and then to produce the indictment if feel how long should they have taken to do it should they have done it like mons investigation started again this operation is not that it's not that old tenant media has only been around for about a year we don't know when the operation started and we also don't like I like if you want to bring other similar cases and give me a timeline and see if this is within the normal timeline sure I'm just saying that I I'm not even saying that the doj 100% did this two months before an election I'm just saying that would be the perfect time if you're if if you were to look into uh if you were to assume that their interests and motivation was damage to conservatives tenant launched in November ten launched in November 2023 I think they no wait stop stop diverting please I there's it is very unlikely that this was a timed indictment for political reasons it's like this company's been around for less than a year they've been doing this for less than a year I don't know the time it takes to notice something's happening to gather evidence and then to produce an indictment like the inves don't if they had done this two months ago or three months ago or four months ago people just said hm that's like six months away from the election oh that's seven months away from election the year before the election seems a little bit cookie to me come on like you're the one pulling [ __ ] out of your ass I'm not what did I pull out of my ass I said that it's perfect timing it's called an October surprise for a reason it's midt this is literally the honey think October I forgot about the I agree I thought this was just maybe like the average time it might take to produce an diment you see something that's going wrong but no I forgot about the October surprise [ __ ] me okay we talk about APAC then okay fine that's fine that's fine I forgot the October surprise and you know it you're just saying nuh and I'm not even saying that it is true I'm just saying that if I was going to do the most reputational damage this would be the perfect time to do it yes there's an insinuation that that that it might be the that it might be that but again I'm not making any claims would you say the same thing about would you would you hold the same standard for the re would you reopen it into would you reopen that standard for the Hillary case when they reopen the case into Hillary like just a little bit before the election do you think that had political motivations to obviously it did obviously did Trump's campaign was lock her up right and it was all so you think you think that the Obama had a political motivation to sabotage Hillary Clinton's campaign going into 2016 election no sorry I was I was thinking of I was think uh was it Bush no Sor that [ __ ] has been investigated so many goddamn times it's hard not Benghazi the I'm talking about the uh opened it right before the election and it and it did have an electoral impact I think I I I don't I I I would say obviously it's if the doj in that regard is bias in that favor is that probably wasn't the motivation right oh no that was just poor timing I'm now alone at the same time I I'm have I'm struggling to remember all of the details of 2016 it's okay it's like it's been like it's been a long it's been a long time I understand um there's another thing I wanted to say like there's so much [ __ ] that has happened there right but what I I thought you meant like the the concept of utilizing that in that time period like like obviously that was used as a big part of Trump's campaign was it there it's been a while but I I believe the Hillary Clinton email thing wasn't the Department of Justice I think it was the FBI or uh was it the FBI that reopened the I think it was if I remember correctly the FBI was pressured into it by Republicans right I'm pretty sure it was Republicans in the Senate right before the election clamoring for this again it's been a couple months before that trying like which were almost certainly that hyper fixated on that issue because would harm so you say that so you would say the reopening of the FBI investigation weeks before the election was politically motivated that they did it to try to sabotage Hillary's campaign I would I would say I would say that the Republicans pushing it to the point where the American public and so many people in the media Etc felt that it needed to be open because of other things going on close before the what they what occur what right but also you also had right before the election the uh was it the director of the FBI coming out and saying yes what she did was illegal but we don't recommend any charges right can I get can I get to my point it's like for me we we could just say because of where it was that it was convenient but you could also like if it was in 2022 it would have been convenient before the midterms if it was 6 months before the election it would be 6 months it's still pretty convenient I mean the elections right around right after I mean my question would be at what time period an election cycle right all I'm saying is that when you're a month or two I think when you're a month or two out from a presidential election that is very obviously the sweetest spot to have any type of case or anything don't forget there's nothing more surprising there's nothing there's nothing more surprising than an October surprise that happens in September as well don't worry okay can there's two other things I want to talk about I want to respond to nonsmoker I don't understand why we're hyperfocusing on this this is silly hold on hold on well let's toss it to uh Dylan who wants to address something nonsmoker said yeah so curious I I want to agree with non-smoker on principle but disagree about like specifications so I agree on principle about like the problem with super pack money and the idea that one person could come in funnel Millions upon millions of dollars into an issue that most Americans probably don't even care about or don't know much about and they're going to end up having outsized influence on American elections compared to what the rest of the American public believes in I don't care that much by Progressive victory you're you're funded by a pack wait I have a there's a difference between taking $1,000 as an open admission that I am a Democrat who's working to get Democrats elected and somebody funneling tens of billions or millions of millions of dollars into ad space and stuff to impact like issues that people don't care about there's like differ the only difference is scope the only difference is scope in the amount of money that you were paid because you're think that so to be clear much does nobody in here believe that like political parties should be able to hire operatives or employees or work with that's like not allowed no I'm just saying it's hypocritical to say that you agree that pack money influencing elections is a problem whilst taking pack money like that's I said I I said I agree the idea that pack money funneling tens of millions of dollars into ad space into issues that don't matter or don't matter the majority of Americans or stuff that because it matters because you're talking about the real issues Scott do you like just listen to yourself talk constantly and you just can't stop you just got to keep that energy I like to interrupt Hypocrites that are like burying themselves it's funny yeah I think you like to talk a lot my problem is not with the idea of people hiring campaigns the idea of packs existing my problem with the idea of super packs dominating political politics political Politics the idea that super Pacs are the ones with the big money and the campaigns are actually trying to outcompete the super Pacs to out raise and super Pacs unrestrained unconnected directly to the campaign are the ones that Dom dominating American politics I can have a problem with the domination of American of political super packs and also agree that operatives can still be hired Democrats can still hire Democrats Republicans can still hire Republicans I can agree that there should still be a political operation that operates while also saying super you don't have the same princi dominate you the only principle that you have is that one is bigger and therefore it has more influence like that's a [ __ ] principle and they're saying two wrongs make a right so because the super need to exist you don't believe in moderation when and flailing like a little [ __ ] you bring My Philosophy okay hold on hold on both of you both of you both you both of you both of you real quick just so we can get some God pull back both of you both of you both of you really one at a time please right I enjoy the energy I love it I get it you're both raring to go right but again uh I want to give uh Dylan chance to answer the accusation um hypocrisy because you believe that uh super packs Dominate and uh you are accepting pack money that's the accusation how would you respond once he's done I'll let you respond 5bm but you gotta let him finish go ahead I can believe that a 50% income tax is bad but still believe in a 5% income tax I can believe that political parties can hire employees and work with people I'm a Democrat I've always been an open Democrat I've worked for Democratic politics before I was even adult 16 17 18 I was working before then too this has also always been very open I believe that should be able to function but there's a difference and moderation between a political party for example this is why we have limits on personal contributions why I am allowed to donate $5,000 but not allowed to donate $100,000 I can say that that limit should exist while also believing that individuals can contribute to political campaigns I can believe the political packs can exist can hire people can operate while also not believing that they should dominate American politics and be the main financiers of our system I can believe both things at the same time Fabian you the indiv the yeah the individual Don cap exists under a concept that I don't necessarily agree with right but under a concept that one person's voice one person's vote shouldn't um should only be able to support but so much money right like I as an individual shouldn't be able to give $40 billion to the Democrats or like you know an absurd amount of money from New York City swinging the you know Virginia's election for example blue right um but that concept is not the same when Pat can receive as much money as they can get so long as they you know fill out the proper paperwork and you know um you know get enough act blue individual contributions that aren't really tracked very well the concept that you're saying that this is somehow different because one has more power is absurd it's not the same thing as a 5% versus a 50% income tax right because the question is there is an effect that occurs from a 50% income tax that has a negative aspect on GDP ratio and our ability to grow the economy versus a 5% that the T that that it's less effect you would be perfectly happy taking money from a Super PAC if the Super PAC was willing to give you money and that Super PAC also happened to have the same interest in goals and you had the same interest of goals you're pretending to have a principle but you're not actually showing one you're just saying super Pack's bad because they're powerful the pack that pays me good because I represent good values in the lower guy myll you completely missed my point you dodged it like a bullet my point wasn't taxes are just the same as super my point was I can believe for example in small government someone going to be like I want 5% instead of 50% because I think it's better for the economy I think it's better in this way I think it's better I think the moderation here would be better I think we can still gain the goals that we need to with this because if you didn't have any tax even if you're against tax that could mean the system couldn't work and I think with the sprawling political system that we have the idea of political packs existing is fine it's the question of their scope power influence how much money they can inject into elections having wanting to have a moderation position on packs and how they operate in our system I mean this is like a perfectly like I think morally consistent position to have you can disagree with it you should think maybe you could disagree political positions of where all packs are gone and it's only individuals where no one donates and everybody just goes and votes or whatever that's fine that's perfectly fine but me moderating my position on packs is not hypocritical it just means I'm not as radical on packs as you are so just to be clear um just to just just to be clear just to you uh Fabian um just so I'm understanding uh are you alluding to or accusing um what Dylan myself and loner are doing taking pack money to be similar or um in the same realm as what Tim P Lauren Chen and the others did in taking Russian money um I mean I would say that there are substantive differences um but for the most part I would say there it's basically the same right um the only difference that I would the only only you think it's similar is that okay well I mean like so the the the the difference is is do you believe in the values of the institution or the investor that is giving you money right what are the values that are represented there right you guys I would assume for the most part believe that the values that the Russians represent are bad and that the values that Progressive Victory represent are good that's why the Russians don't pay you money and the progressive Victory does because you represent their values and if they give you money that's money that allows you to stream more get better equipment and be able to outcompete your competitors that don't get that money because you put on a better show because you have more money etc etc to grow that that is the goal the the goal however you know assuming that the Russians didn't didn't do this hoping to get caught it wasn't some 40 chess move right if the goal is just to boost voices they're doing the same thing they just have different values and so the the concept that one is evil because the values are evil is a perfectly fine thing to have but it's not consistent with the concept that super packs are bad because they have more power when they're doing the same let's give that let's let's let's let's give that let's give that the [ __ ] test then okay so let's say you're America in 1940 and Progressive Victory exists as it is now for all we as far as we know it's not funded by any foreign governments okay um would someone taking money from Progressive Victory your due diligence would someone take money from Progressive victory in 1940 uh in America be equivalent to them taking money from Nazi Germany in 194 in America to do commentary would that the same I think I think in 1940 if you were taking um money from Progressive Victory you would probably be pretty reasonably known to be a communist sympathizer right and I would say commun I know I don't don't introduce no wait sorry don't introduce new variables to dodge the question I mean the progressive victory of today that is not linked to the Soviet Union or any foreign foreign governments it's just a left leaning within the system group right but their mission Mor equalent Nazis their mission statement No their mission statement clearly states as a goal that they want to push and train social justice activists and that they want to create a um Progressive Wing that is radically left in in in our government to force the DNC to move so to say that it's just like a left thing it's it's kind of [ __ ] right like it's not a neoliberal thing it is quite very much super L right in 1940s standards right you asked the question if you asked in 1940 standards that would be very have to reframe the question I just answer the question is would it be as bad as the Nazis yes but you're assuming that Pro this is okay do you think Progressive victory has some kind of goal to Institute Central planned economies across the United States like the Soviet Union if it so they're not like it's not equivalent so it's not equivalent to taking money from the Communists in the Soviet in the 1940s Okay so we've got that out of the way stop introducing new [ __ ] parameters it's a hypothetical with isolated [ __ ] variables I'm just asking you Progressive Victory you don't like the [ __ ] answer right [ __ ] question I progressives that is they're they're they're s very similar we' we we've gone Factory beautification largest Union that ever existed million invading countries white [ __ ] North East West yes I agree socialists are evil yes okay I from me you socialism for the progressive it's coming okay Progressive Victory going to launch all kinds of invasions just just for my audience's sake if if it does come to light and you have evidence that Progressive Victory is receiving money from an enemy in the United States let me know and I will quit Progressive victory that day and I will look into recompensa people um or releas my communications wait wait wait sorry sorry I need I need to get this I need to get this answer from someone who's not completely [ __ ] compromised nonsmoker same question Progressive Victory me or Nazi Germany in the 40s which one's worse taking fun from them yeah okay obviously nobody likes Nazis I understand what you're trying to say and that if given that on Twitter well given that binary right um you know of course I would not consider what Progressive Victory is doing now or in [ __ ] some imaginary 1940 scenario the same as accepting money from Nazi Germany no no no no no it's not the same of course but I I think the argument or at least where I agree with Fabian and maybe we don't agree as much as I I thought we did but it it's the idea that people in media of all different sizes whether they're independent content creators like you guys all of us right or you know mainstream news media figures are pushing someone else's agenda right be it the Russian one or be it the Democratic party's agenda and there's something the reason it's controversial I think is the reason so many people were critical of PV is the idea that many of the viewers were under the impression many of the viewers on Twitch were under the impression that okay I watch Dylan I'm hearing Dylan's point of view and Dylan's perspective on all of the issues then it comes out that Dylan accepted money from this kind of sketchy Shady pack which yeah maybe their politics well just in Shady in a sense of we don't know the origin of the money right public filings you can see the money what do you mean well no but I mean like we don't know um who's bankrolling Progressive Victory right you can even see like my stuff's been leaked you can like see everything I don't know listen I don't even think you can't you can't see individual donations under like 25 you can even see how much money making like it's all been leaked right but I think the idea is that people get upset because they feel like okay now I feel like Dylan isn't speaking as Dylan Dylan is speaking as someone who's sponsored by this big money entity and it's kind of similar with tenant it's like okay well these people in tenant made all this content but they're not making content that they really believe the you know the views of or whatever they're pushing some other narrative that someone else you know that in this case a foreign government wants to forward and that's why it's an issue it's like a dishonesty uh that the viewer sees with the content creator the media Outlet it's like I can't trust them speaking with any Integrity they're accepting money that's the similarity it's not the even the similarity of the politics or the message or whatever and I think what Scott is saying is okay Dylan and I agree that like super Pacs and we all agree it's on a much bigger scale right they have undo influence right they they have too much power too much influence in terms of Swang public opinion and they often determine the outcome of Elections right uh Dylan can say that but at the same time he's accepting money from this pack and in a sense he's kind of you know guilty of the same thing and in in a way you could argue he's proliferating someone else's message I guess is the point right uh but you don't actually believe that do you you don't you don't think Dylan or my message or my politics or D no I okay look I think to tell you the truth you guys no I think PV doesn't pay you enough money for you to control your entire narrative and I don't know either they don't control any narrative like they don't give I don't know either of you individually I don't know listen I don't know either of you [ __ ] individually for all I know there's a price tag where they could I have no idea but you know I mean uh mon wasn't that a whole thing of like how much would you money would you accept to read M comp on stream or something like that more than you got you can read something on stream that's just literature isn't it but maybe my point is maybe you guys have a price tag maybe you don't I don't know I don't really give a [ __ ] the point is I happen to think that they're not paying you enough anyway but I think there are smaller content creators or people in that PV orbit who they want social acceptance they want Destiny to like them they want attention they want to get their little streaming career off the ground that yeah they'll totally tow the [ __ ] line 100% And you know I think there's a lot of content creators like that a lot of small ones for sure you understand how you're equating so what you just read There is you're equating social pressure online or people who want to make friends in the content Space versus taking money from a sanctioned foreign government that is actually kind of adversarial to the United States right now well the problem here the way in which I'm equating it is that people are for whatever reason whether it's Financial incentive or social incentive or both in the case of PV for smaller streamers they potentially could be spreading narratives that they don't 100% believe in because it's convenient expedient and beneficial for them to do so and I think in the same way people in you know midlevel conservative alternative media would be happy to accept money in in those totals from whoever the [ __ ] and would be willing to spread narratives that as long as they don't go too far from their core principles and their audien's principles yeah they'll report uh you know whatever about crocus or any other number of like sketchy lies or you know the that the Russians want them too I I would argue you could do this with literally zero dollars and and and and the reason I say this is look anybody that is like we're all streamers here I think everyone knows that there's a little angel and a devil on your shoulder right and that little devil is Whispering that if you say something that you know your audience is going to like or that you know is going to potentially cause drama or that you know might cause some conflict that is entertaining right that that is might not necess necessarily be your honest opinion with just your best friend on the back porch having a few beers looking at the stars right like that there is audience capture and and when you're talking about um politics and you're talking about you know political polarization that has gotten you know you could say extreme maybe it's not extreme that's kind of a relative term but certainly more extreme than let's say 20 years ago in American politics right um that you don't even need like how did Tim P become famous to even get offered this much money Tim P became famous as Dylan Burns was setting out by being hyperbolic and saying dumb [ __ ] like Civil War right like by by by knowing that the audience that you the biggest size of the audience are people between 85 to 115 IQ right like slav zek is not as popular as Tim P you know why because normal people can't [ __ ] understand all of the Concepts that Slava Zak is saying but normal people can listen to Tim P well you know or cocaine I don't know what it is but this nose is [ __ ] but I mean like I mean from the concepts right and so like even then people dumb down what they say as a as a specific goal to try and get normies to understand it like people change and are captured by a bunch of different pressures plenty of conservatives are very careful about what they say because they don't want to upset YouTube and get demonetized right you look at like that [ __ ] whatever podcast where they just bring on [ __ ] to look dumb and then they bring on like you know a conservative to make the [ __ ] look dumb and then it's all fun but like multiple times they've brought up Israel Palestine issues and they immediately shut it down is that because they're evil or is it because they know that they might get [ __ ] demonetized by YouTube if they start talking about Israel Palestine so they don't want to talk about it and they know their core audience just wants to see [ __ ] get made fun of like this is this doesn't even need need to be money to have this influence and so like the greater conversation where like there's this magic thing with far that the doj kind of goes these are the real bad guys because these are the enemies says Fabian real quick just don't you think that makes a difference the difference though a I think it makes a difference here's the difference funneling money as opposed to a American entity just engaging in the proc AB the difference is the difference is is is that there is the entity that is funding this specific Viewpoint doesn't align with the um with the the state's interests that's the difference well or the interests of the people you know and and and or if the interests of the foreign government are counter to the interests of the people but like okay I don't know how everybody here feels about guns right in light of the most recent school shooting right it's an uncomfortable thing well consider the Firearms LOB spends controlling you know the political system and putting people into office who are totally you know have totally [ __ ] insane views about guns and think there should be no regulations whatsoever um yes you know I mean that's a problem for regular people that's counter to the interest of regular people and our safety right I know there are people that agree with that view but I think most people generally have like more rational view on guns than that um it's a serious roadblock to like serious Federal legislation to tackle the gun problem right that's an example of how a Lobby can work against I mean oil and gas companies have a shitload of power money and influence right and their interests run totally counter to those of a regular person because of [ __ ] climate change and I mean you could go down the list of the ways that American lobbies work against the interests of regular people all the same agreed the oil companies really want green energy in the form of solar panels groups are against the interests of most people okay I'm sure yeah obviously but at the end of the day as well as that we have foreign governments like Russia who are trying to pay money millions of dollars and not doing it for free paying millions of dollars that we know about to try and uh [ __ ] with discourse in American politics so that they can have an easier time invading UK Russia wants is for us stop supporting Ukraine it's that they don't want regular working people to suffer and be miserable I mean a little bit apart from regular ukrainians I mean well you say the exact same thing hold on hold on hold on let's give it to Dylan Dylan had a thought Let's uh let's give him the mic for I say I don't think the Russians in it of itself is to make Americans suffer but I also don't think that they particularly care if in their goals that they make Americans suffer for example I think everybody in here is probably anti- rting in general like don't burn down your local CVS don't burn down the local courthouse probably not a good idea the Russians well no burn down the local courthouse that's okay well except for except for him he'll he'll burn down the local S no don't don't destroy businesses D inss if you're going to bur would organize with the internet research agency uh a black lives matter protest on Facebook and then organize the counter protest so there would be friction between these two groups so they would conflict there would be violence there could be something it would cause disunity in the United States I don't think the goal of that is to make Americans suffer or make all these people fight because they want to see them hurt I think the goal is that if generally speaking they want disunity and disunity and you know friction and you know problems internally usually cause suffering I don't think they care about the byproduct um as for the stuff we've been talking about uh up to right now I just I do want to re-emphasize that what we're talking about here is covert a covert sanction entity funneling people without publicly uh labeling their money without publicly disclosing their money and then people being financed without either without them knowing or with them knowing if we're being favorable towards them we're going to say without them knowing um and financing their organization this is is a little different than the fact that both of you because there was no indictment knew that me and loner box took money from Progressive Victory because it was publicly filed much of it has been leaked and I've been working in Democratic Party politics since before I was an adult and I actively work and will continue to work in Democratic Party politics if I can I do think that there is a distinction here and the distinction is that voters and individuals do not have all the information necessary to make an informed decision and as much as I want consumers to be able to look and say oh this has cyanide in it I'm not going to eat this you know product or oh this something I'm allergic to I think the same thing should be true when consuming your political information or when you're consuming stuff on for example a foreign war where thousands upon thousands of people die every day okay um I want to Olive Branch this can I Olive Branch this well non nonsmoker first and then you can olive branch but first um just because I need to make just a little money uh uh couple Buck from Andrew diler De vidiian is bad face so assume others are don't know what that means but fair enough that was last person that said that I was bad faith that paid you and then they said he's bad faith oh fair enough okay thanks I made a little money okay now we're gonna give it to nonsmoker then Fabian then I have one more question and then we'll get to closing I mean I I think it's worth mentioning you know look there was probably well there there's evidence right that uh Russian interests have attempted to interfere or influence the US political system uh using extra legal methods before the war in Ukraine but it might be worth mentioning that Russian lobbying legal Russian lobbying where you could register as a far agent has been seriously hindered by the sanctions placed on Russia since the war in Ukraine started that's one thing um but in addition to that I just I I want to it's like a clarifying question for Dylan that BLM anti-m Riot scenario that are you referring to something hypothetical right no what I'm referring to is a real thing that happened so the internet resource agency which was actually prosen remember the Wagner guy he was yelling on all those videos before that that's what he was known for it was like organizing and running and stuff like that and what they did is they would make Facebook groups that would organize hey here's the pro black lives matter rally and then they would organize a counter protest right next to that rally so then there would be disunity during the um hot summer we'll call it right 2020 Summer of Love um yeah I I I guess you know and I I agree that there's obviously a component I mean we talked about that earlier of these Russian influence operations where I I think they focus on existing disunity more than they do create it uh those specific examples You could argue or it's more about creating it but I I think I guess the point I just want to keep coming back to is you know the r the Russians have a real interest in a certain political party coming to power that's more favorable to their interests in general um and it's you know it's similar in many ways to I think a lot of lobbying efforts that you could argue are counter to the the interests of a lot of Americans but in the case of the Russia stuff you know I think I mean I would argue and I know everybody disagrees with this other than Fabian that ending the war in Ukraine would be beneficial for most Americans it would be you know uh deflationary for one thing it would be less uh tax dollars spent overall on a foreign conflict that doesn't benefit us one way or the other um it would reduce the likelihood of a potential nuclear conflict I mean I happen to think that Russia's interests in this case align more closely with the interest of working people in America than the oil and gas Lobby or Firearms Lobby or which by the way the Firearms Lobby probably has a counter you know the opposite view of uh Putin on the Ukraine conflict in particular um so yeah I mean I don't know at the end of the day it's like okay all of these people are fighting for you know influence over my political system I have very little as just an individual so whose interests align most closely with mine you guys want to respond to that real quick before we give it to I mean I I don't want to divert into talking about why it's good to support Ukraine because I don't want to make this a me debate and like focus on my area but he's threw out some talking points I'll just throw out some conference um we made an agreement with Ukraine for them to give up their nuclear Arsenal in return for us making an agreement with them that we'd come to their aid in a situation like this I believe that America's credibility on the world stage has taken a lot of hits I would like to help or not me specifically but I would like it to be rebuilt to some degree and if we're going to rebuild it that's going to mean delivering on our promises Europe is our number one export Market when you talk about American manufacturing and American Goods actually exported overseas if we want to retain the American manufactur we do have we want to keep access to the European market Russia wants to dominate the European market part of the reason they invaded Ukraine in the first place is they didn't want them to join the European Union and be making trade decisions for themselves um I also think that Ukraine by assisting them they've been able to reestablish grain corridors to get food to places in subsaharan Africa where it is needed and that means not only lessening a refugee crisis but also Le lessening the humanitarian disaster in places like Sudan and other areas where horrible violence and horrible starvation is going on right now um I also think that the United States largely speaking isn't really spending that much on this war a lot of it is our old reserves and the reserves that we are sending much of it Vietnam Air Equipment most of the stuff I've seen in Ukraine that's American is stuff like m113 troop carriers and stuff that my grandfather used to use in Vietnam so I think relatively speaking considering how much damage Russia is taking compared to how much damage we're inflicting upon them with no loss to our Personnel what whatever I think for us it's a relatively good cost benefit scenario um I when it comes to America's solid interest and not even talking about the morality of stopping an army that's filling Mass Graves across Ukraine um as for one last thing I wanted to talk about we mentioned earlier that it's you know the creators well the difference is when creators change their opinions based upon money that's the thing that's probably most Insidious um for example uh if somebody was to like I'm against Tik Tok we need to ban it and then got a donation from a big businessman and said never mind Tik tok's great I love Tik Tok it's always been good it's Al always been Gucci and we do know that at least with the uh situation with tennet that creators were taking words from them that were lies on the Moscow terror attack and we know that not only Benny Johnson pushed it directly from them because they asked him to but we also know that other creators like pushed it you don't that's not true the indict indictment is right right well first of all nothing in the indictment is actually a piece of evidence it's a claim we also have the Benny Johnson broadcast where he the Benny Johnson the Benny Johnson video in question is occurs before the date that they're asking it's one on X now if you can show me one that occurs after the date in question and that he produces additional content but it actually shows and then Lauren or sorry prod sorry founder one it's so [ __ ] confusing to read that [ __ ] just say their goddamn names they were going to be they were going to be leaked anyways it's so annoying but anyways like I want I want someone to just change founder one producer one like I need a chat GPT bot to send it out you can do that in a Word document dude you could just find replace yeah right like I need to do that um but anyways um right like what we know is that um Lauren presumably speaks to him or and speaks to her contact and says yes I spoke to him about it so we don't actually know for sure whether or not that video was produced because they asked for it or if he was going to do it anyways but I think that's a moot point and the reason I think it's a moot point is because even if even like even if they were to like refuse to do all the things they would just lose the money and somebody else would get the money right like I don't think it I don't actually think that you changing your opinion because of the money is the biggest problem here what I think because at the end of the day if I'm have a $100,000 or I have $10 million to give out right and you change your opinions right then I'll just fund someone else that can get higher editors now that they couldn't before that can get better microphones that can get a better studio right like at the end of the day the money is going to follow the opinions and the opinions might change because of the money but even if they don't someone else will just get the money right so it's like the money is kind of the source of the opinion and the money will just change hands whether or not the Creator changes their opinion um I obviously it does have some effect and so I kind of wanted to Olive Branch here wouldn't wouldn't that be like true with like all crime like if someone was like well of course I'm going to sell like the fentanyl because somebody's going to buy or of course I'm going to sell the illegal Firearms cuz somebody else is going to sell them anyway like I mean it's still a problem partip the system hold pause pause I think I think that is probably one of the most principal issues with why the drug the War on Drugs has failed over and over and over again because no matter how many people we kill how many lock the my point wasn't that hold on hold on hold on hold on how I'm right no I'm saying that is why it doesn't work because that I'm not even ask okay that's what do you mean that's not engaging in good faith you're saying but wouldn't the black market for drugs go away if we crack down on it I know I know I know what you're saying so do you think clear if there was like child traffing be like I feel like I think I know what you're saying I think you're saying is it would it do you think it should be legal for the Russian state to uh do a t media kind of operation without disclosure do you think that should be legal I think I think that you should be that that they should be perfectly legal until the moment that you claim that you're not funded by any outside sources or that you're not funded by the Russians or etc etc when asked that immediately becomes fraud right so if they go through a shell company and don't say anything that's fine mission list listen what I'm saying is that like look if you knowingly accept money to do whatever broadcast right I don't think that there I don't we can engage in this like thought crime of like what is good money what's the good guys what's the bad guys you know like oh the oil Lobby is bad because I because I disagree with their opinions what I'm saying is is that I don't think you should mandate that every source of funding be publicly available for everything I do however for government if I I I I mean this broadly right I would not make a distinction here you might but I won't right so what I say is broadly I don't care who funds who until you lie about it the moment that you lie about it then you are defrauding your viewership if your viewership goes hey who are you funded by and they go I'm not going to answer that question that's kind of an answer in it of itself but if they say oh I don't get any outside funding and it turns out they do well then you defrauded your right they spend time yeah just to be clear so them going through a shell company but not saying anything about it that's not lying to you well I mean if if if they don't disclose who who or where their funding comes from and they don't answer the question then yeah there's no lie that's just them securing payment and not telling you about it it's only when they lie that they've actually defrauded you right like like there's a substantive difference there like take whatever money you can get but if you then go on stream and say I'm not funded by the Russians and you went through a [ __ ] shell company to hide the fact that you're funded by the Russians you have defrauded your okay I have one last question because I know everyone's kind of we are kind of circling the drain getting ready for the presidential debate yes the presidential debate we will be coming out we're not ending the stream right we are going to go into that I got some people already waiting backstage for that but um I did want one more question then we're going to get to closings because I am very curious um according to the indictment uh and the language used in the indictment um commentator one commentator 2 and others that were implicated in this were deceived they were tricked they were um lied to in a very real way that aside right or keeping that in mind how much actual blame should be levied on these deceived commentators for pushing Russian propaganda unknowingly how much culpability or blame should we put upon them not I'm not even talking legal or necessarily leg or civil blame right but as as a community as viewers as people who know of them and talk of them um does that make sense as a question I it's a little late right so my brain's a little fried but am how much responsibility do they bear basically yeah yes please um go ahead I think four of the commentators weren't getting paid enough to think that there was a big issue going on I think for Tim PA and Dave Rubin they should have known better yeah there's like I don't know if there's a criminal thing going on there's line on that for you just curious like how much is is is enough money that people should have known versus how much money is like oh then I I you know I don't where's the line if you're someone like so if you're someone like Tim p and this kind of like this fairly shadowy Anonymous philanthropist comes to you um for a weekly thing I don't know exactly but I I there's somewhere there's like some kind of blurry line and 100K a week is way over it like fair enough what are some other thoughts on this yeah I would say that I would say that it's kind of funny because money is relative again I think this is a trotted out [ __ ] line um because you know the 100K a week is worth a lot less to Tim P than what some of these other creators were being paid because of just how much money Tim P has and how much clout he already has right Tim P knows that he's getting overpaid because he's bringing clout to tenant media like it's his brand and his name that is going to grow tenant media not F and maybe Lauren Southern but like but other individuals you know like uh oh god the guy that just got banned on YouTube I forgot his name right like he's hold on the guy that deleted his channel off of YouTube and then blamed YouTube for Banning him are we talking about Taylor Hansen is that is that what happened that happen uh hold on just real quick with the Super Chat I wasn't aware that so $5 from in pursuit of knowledge says Fabian says conservatives are careful what they say when Taylor Hansen lied and blames cancel culture so yes in uh in the thread where Taylor Hansen claims that he was banned YouTube replied to that and their counter claim is that well no you deleted your channel that's [ __ ] hilarious I love that that is so [ __ ] that's such a slimy piece of [ __ ] thing to do uh yeah when he claimed that it right like like yeah it's like he's like he's literally trying to create his own triand effect right um that's hilarious [ __ ] that piece of [ __ ] uh uh again fraud right because assuming YouTube isn't lying right assuming YouTube is just isn't like [ __ ] lying here right you know no I I I I mean of course but but what I was saying here right is that like in terms of culpability right like when you when you are a victim of fraud because you're dumb and you don't do any investigation right like I don't think you can I don't think it's a crime to be dumb right um where what I would say is that I do think Tim P deserves some reputational damage for being so easily deceived and but at the same time I do think the left takes that a a little too far in terms of trying to harp on the money and also just discounting the fact that he trusted his friend Lauren chin who was either deceived or not deceived um but yeah I do think there's some culpability for the stupidity there um and if it comes out that he knowingly received money and knew that there was something sketchy then I think he has defrauded so many people that like his his finances should be destroyed because he should be paying back a lot of super chats I want to yeah I want to get uh nonsmoker and Dylan's uh thoughts on this as well goad nonsmoker um I think they should all be shot no I'm kidding um I I I mean I don't know why you got to say that on YouTube why do you guys we talking about a lot of people getting banned right now my guy like come on you know what I'm saying I don't I I really don't care sure they knew I'm sure they knew I'm sure they knew that's all I'm going to say I'm sure they knew that money was coming from questionable sources and they didn't care and they were fully willing to put two and two together that the questionable sources were also kind of mandating through some sort of chain of command to push pro-russian narratives I'm sure they figured it out they're not [ __ ] [ __ ] uh yeah they're culpable I don't know you know I I I have no interest in defending any of those [ __ ] people for any reason so okay and last but not least what's Dylan thoughts on this um man I I'll say on one hand like I don't really know if they were deceived I it says that timle and Dave rubin's deceived they're the only ones that they say in the indictment specifically that they think were deceived we don't really know about Lauren Southern we don't really know about the rest of the cases but let's assume best case and I will also say that I have been in the content creator space enough to know that these guys being on the defense okay almost all of them love being on defense they love being in the like in the sights so they can be like I am under attack once again I am under siege by the Deep State and so seeing them all say I will not speak further at this time like one after the other after the other makes me think man man what's going on I'm just asking questions but no but I I obviously I can't know but it does make me think um as for if they were deceived would they hold any culpability um Lauren it's hard to know cuz we don't know specifically how much she knew if she did know what she was doing I think she deserves prison time um cuz I she's working with the sanction entity I have no I I I'm not a judge I'm not the person who would be deciding that but I do believe that she should face legal repercussions at the very least I I said at the time she should be in front of a judge because of course we need to find out if she's actually innocent or not I'm not going to just throw the book at her but if she did do this with the Russians knowingly and then deceived all of her friends and got them hooked in it and screwed up over o screwed them over not only is it a question of like culpability it's a question of like morality cuz you hold no loyalties to anyone my goodness not to the Russians not to your friends only to yourself my god um as for if the people that didn't know I think there is if they don't if they don't know there should be as Fabian said a reputational hit if you call yourself an investigative journalist and you get start getting offered all this money and RT has always functioned as we will offer you above rate what everybody else will offer because we're RT and we know the reputation that comes with us so we're going to offer you more money than everybody else and that's how they pick up a lot of journalists and so for people who know those signals or know those red flags maybe they would have seen it's not crazy that Tim P wouldn't have known those just because I don't think he's particularly intelligent about these types of things but there should be a reputational hit nobody should trust him on foreign policy issues nobody should trust him on investigative issues if he puts this much much effort into investigating who's giving him $100,000 per episode one episode would be enough to fund my operation in Ukraine for an entire year then I think he should ask some questions I think he should do some followup and when he finds out that oh that isn't the case that it was actually this Finance here it was actually the Russian government he shouldn't be spending all this time painting himself as a victim he should be saying I'm sorry for adding credibility to an organization I shouldn't have but nobody's saying that everybody's just a victim now sure really quick Dylan just on that note right if 100,000 is GNA fund your whole like uh operation in Ukraine for a year and then you get an offer right for Lauren comes up to you and says you know what you have to put out one video one episode where you say [ __ ] Ukraine right and then you can use that money right that you get that $100,000 to do everything Pro Ukraine sweet sweet love to Ukraine that's what I do okay fair enough I just say sorry I was you asked me earlier about like what would be a reasonable amount to make sure sure sure yeah Temple size um I looked up that Travis Kelsey for his advertising because he does a lot of adverts right he's been like a hundred a few hundred commercials in the last year um he's done commercials for like uh McDonald's Nike Old Spice Papa John's fiser State Farm uh he made estimated according to Forbes five million in a year from just from those commercials five million that's like what just a bit over Dave ruin and Tim pool for that like come on like these guys are not timle was say timle made this comparison like it was a normal thing like yeah you know this really normal to get deals like this for for like like and what and that's not doing a commercial for someone there's like he he didn't have exclusivity they didn't apparently tell him exactly what to say for each video or anything like he just just do a stream that you can use on your own channel anyway n that's you see a deal too good to be true he couldn't he couldn't once he was published by uh tenant media he he didn't he only the old episodes of the culture War were on his um YouTube so I don't I don't think he could I don't know for a fact but I don't think he could produce it himself on his own channel and also a different firm was handling the advertising for so very clearly he knew that he was giving up his his brand to this company to be utilized for it and obviously he's giving up the the money that he would have gotten from growing the channel but I mean are you sure I'm pretty sure it was non- exclusive well there's is there are there a there's no other Cult of $100,000 per video commentary to production company granted us company one a non-exclusive non-transferable license during the applic applicable license te term to display trans and distribute licensed content okay but but we're that is the claim I don't that is an amazing deal that is an incredible deal is an amazing deal normal thing as well like right but but what I'm saying is is if that's the case why is his why was why does he not have any culture War stuff on timcast or timcast IRA or any of his other channels other than old videos right I guess because he already got his regular schedule um I don't he made it doesn't seem to match what he did with it yeah okay I mean maybe we'll see have to wait I don't know we'll see if this ever goes ACC doubt it but this is the equivalent of like Taylor Swift's husband taking [ __ ] commercials from McDonald's and [ __ ] like that yeah and he's earning about the same amount [ __ ] me okay ladies and gentlemen um this was uh we explored a lot obviously this is a big thing there's a lot of routes to go down we didn't go down every single route we could have but I hope everyone enjoyed the content and if you like this content the content is not ending for the night after we give each of these an uh lovely individuals an outro what we're going to do is we're going to transition and we're going to attempt to watch the presidential debate live we're not going to be doing this on Twitch unfortunately so Twitches move to either kick 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remain thoroughly unconvinced that the most dangerous uh force or entity attempting to sway or influence us public opinion is Russia uh I'm pretty thoroughly convinced that there are many many many other interests who not only are more antithetical to the interests of working people than Russia but also wield a tremendous amount of power and influence that far seeds uh Russia's uh they also spend a lot more money um I'm much more concerned with that uh I happen to think that Tim pool is a [ __ ] idiot and I have no interest in any of the content he produces and I think whatever money Russia spent supporting him or Dave Rubin uh to basically you know get really uneducated uninformed people to try to wrap their head around Russia and Ukraine was probably wasted uh that's a very dumb audience what a stupid waste of money um and so I will say that uh yeah I think that there needs to be first of all far needs to be totally overhauled there needs to be a total reassessment of how we apply these standards across the board because it makes no [ __ ] sense uh since 2016 they've been almost exclusively used to Target Russia's influence not not 100% but mostly um I happen to think that you know no media should be censored because the greater diversity of opinions means more opportunity for people to educate themselves which I think is better I disagree with the Walter Lipman view that the public is just the dumb masses unable to think critically for themselves and decide for themselves so I'm not afraid of propaganda being out there I think people can understand propaganda for what it is is people can understand misinformation for what it is do their own research on their own um and I know that because they see propaganda and misinformation in the mainstream news media all the [ __ ] time which is why alternative media is growing and growing more and more every day uh so with that I'll yield the floor to someone else Ju Just real quick um just for full disclosure uh if RT and Lauren Chen had offered you money would you have taken it how much fair enough what do you got first I want to do I want to thank tenant media and Dave Rubin and many other content creators for doing one thing and that is making new Norm a great animated only on X Series thank you Russian it's good to know that Russian taxpayer dollars instead of getting their soldiers good uniforms went to making sure Tim poool could run his [ __ ] skate park okay so um first thing complex operation this is how it keeps getting referred to by Tim and others uh it was not that particularly complex uh while there were shell companies while there was you know people who were trying to lie to them or deceive them presumably uh it was not a particularly complex operation they didn't like create a fake identity that they could look up online if they just Googled the people that they had they couldn't find anything um any any uh determined digging would have thrown a million red flags and so they didn't do digging and so this should not just be a question of like where does Timol get his money where do all these creators get their money what due diligence should they do it should also be a question of what due diligence did they put into reporting because if you don't put due diligence in the where you get your money there's also a question of how much research you put into something when something comes down your feet on Twitter and it pre-confirmation about the war that they go to people who are reliable either on the ground sources either video footage that proves what's happening uh independent reports instead of listening to people who know nothing about the war who have never been to Ukraine who know nothing about Ukraine who know nothing about the war who are getting paid by the Russians to lie about the war um it is pretty disgusting that they took this money and they have no apology no like problem with it whatsoever outside of like man this really sucks for me but it's because they don't really care about the issue whatsoever it's for views it's for content and it's not an issue that particularly motivates them uh the lives of these people uh are really just a talking point for a uh you know for a check from the Russians anyway outside of that um smoke out the Russians from the media space get them out of there uh get them out get them out uh I'll be your Joseph McCarthy okay well thanks for being here thanks for suggesting this topic by the way if you guys don't know Dylan DM me about it and said hey you should do a ban on this um it was good a good advice thank you uh please first I would like to say uh Joseph McCarthy did nothing wrong he didn't go far enough um McCarthy was a hero and we should all celebrate him um um he is not the house on American Activities Committee you should Google the pumpkin papers pumpkin patch papers should Google um what actually occurred and you'll you you'll find out um but anyways um what I would say the first and foremost thing I would say is anybody that is making claims um about these things as if they're factual this happened and then this happened right which you know has occurred on this panel um you know that they're full of [ __ ] because you're just trusting the doj to be honest um about about the Russians and like that is just I think normal Americans that aren't hyperarithmetical they represent the interests of the corporate Elite the they they represent the interests of political players and powers that make billions and trillions of dollars and this this money that they're getting paid even though it might be astronomical to a lot of us because it would change our lives if we got $100,000 a week I know it would change my [ __ ] life it is a drop in the [ __ ] bucket against these Power Players such as yes the Russians but but and the corporations and the you know the same people that want environmental regulations in the United States and the UK but don't want them in Bangladesh so that they can you know [ __ ] control these trade routes and snuff out entrepreneurs because you have these regulations that they don't have to follow and there is a there is a corpus of of of interests that are misaligned with the American public with your individual and so when someone says this happen these guys are bad I think what I see more than anything and this again this is opinion isn't I'm not going to say this is fact I think what I see is two Power Players one being obviously stronger the West right um vying to destabilize each other with misinformation or with just pushing narratives that cause people to hate their fellow Americans and what you and and and we are focusing on all of the wrong things and and so it's just it saddens me really it saddens me to see how people grasp onto this it saddens me to see right-wing commentators immediately chin under the bus over an indictment from the [ __ ] doj it saddens me to see the left basically do exactly what the Russians want which is hyperbole take everything the doj says is fact and then attack you know like oh you know you know your fellow Americans instead of realizing that like you're not sitting at the table of a game that's being played um so yeah I think I think these people are somewhat culpable for their stupidity and at the end of the day I just you know I think there might be some fraud involved and I think that that is wrong but there are just there's so many political interests that are that are infecting your day-to-day life and I think it's way better if people just take a step back and realize that you shouldn't be trusting any of these [ __ ] and you should be doing your own goddamn research and you should be grabbing people on the left and on the right and from other sources you should be reading [ __ ] philosophy and you should be getting multiple different sources and when you realize that they are constantly saying things that contradict each other that they're all [ __ ] full of [ __ ] and they have audience capture that's how you get real big okay you don't get big by constantly telling the truth if someone's got a million plus subscribers they're probably bullshitting you okay well thanks for coming uh last but certainly not least loner box um seems to be the case in about 2011 uh Putin was kind of caught with his pants down stealing an election I think think people in Russia were up in arms about it uh Hillary Clinton and the United States were very critical about it at the time and I think from about then on because Russia used to actually have not that bad relationships with America especially over Afghanistan and the WTO and everything else but around that time Putin got very big [ __ ] mad and decided that like over time America was going to become more and more adversarial to Russia so that's around the same time when RT starts expanding their efforts across Europe and uh the United States basically with the idea anything that SWS chaos is our line the UK riots one of the seeds of that whole thing was thisinformation from a that was partially spread one of the first spreaders of it was a Russian uh fake news organization um the they hate the West they hate the United States they want to se chaos they would rather that they voted in a bunch of [ __ ] governments that are more likely to align with their interests um as far as the doj goes and I mean I trust I seem to trust the indictment more than anything that the AL some random alt media commentator might say about it so um I can totally see why people don't talk too much about like Russian interference in terms of like election campaigning and why like it doesn't always get as much attention as some people would like it to have because at the end of the day it doesn't always look great to just blame even if you lose an election and even if Russian influence actually caused the difference you're what are you going to say like oh yeah you you voted against us but only because you were so [ __ ] that you were duped by Russians it's never going to work the end of the day these decisions are born at home Russia exploits them but they have to be dealt with at home as well so well thank you for being here loner always appreciate appreciate you gang that's our show we're not ending the stream but these gentlemen have other things to do I'm sure so thank you again for coming and uh I'll see you guys later bye bye bye-bye bye everybody see you Wick do you want to take some Ukrainian government money you know what I would actually um I don't think that being paid by a foreign entity is necessarily bad as long as you disclose it and as long as like it's uh like if Britain offered to pay me money to I don't know right uh it really really depend what they were paying for but yeah sure I'll take some ukra yeah I mean what's wrong with content creators weapon smuggling for foreign governments right not that I would do that anyway have a good one man if I okay see you later buddy bye I would though like look if NATO if NATO came and was like Wick I want you to fund uh I want you to like we like what you're doing and we're going to pay you some money to keep doing what you're doing I'd be like hell yeah I would tell y'all I'd brag about it I'm like [ __ ] NATO NATO thinks I'm its strongest soldier Okay gang okay NATO thinks I'm badass I would be shouting that [ __ ] from the rooftops but yeah I'd take their money um our interests align uh if I found out that Russia was trying to give me money um that would be a problem for me our interests do not align does this make sense we getting this um but okay don't go anywhere we got we're going to change it up a little bit because uh we are no longer going to be doing um the tenant debate right but we're going to be talking uh a debate that's happening in about 15 minutes uh KLA Harris and Donald J Trump will be debating live on stage we will be watching that live um we will be watching that live on my YouTube and on my kick twitch I'm sorry we're going to have to take you down for that one because there very more likely I get struck right on Twitch than on the other platforms if for whatever reason YouTube goes down because they strike me or something we're risking it a little for the biscuit okay right it's fair use because we're going to be commenting on it but you know they got their Bots out there looking for uh these things if for whatever reason YouTube goes down find me on my kick atwick TV and we'll be watching it there um so yes uh I know no twitch what the [ __ ] I know this is [ __ ] but I don't want to lose my twitch I want to stay right monetized on Twitch and so we have to we have to stop on Twitch but uh let me provide that uh if anyone wants to provide the link to the YouTube to you twitchers uh or the link to my kick U please be feel free um here's the deal I am going to bring on some of the guests we'll be having um um and I'm going to use a restroom so uh they will be entertaining you for the next few minutes uh wick on Kick is a banger title oh yeah okay but let me bring on some of these uh Bad Boys oh snap Wick drew me in here I did not consent I didn't consent it's okay I'm doing it anyway you know what I'm just gonna bring everyone who's backstage uh here's here's what I'm gonna do I don't know if all of you are going to stay for this right but uh I'm going to bring you all on for now because I'm going to use a restroom real quick and you guys are going to entertain my audience and uh sansil who is going to be here right um sansil if you want to start getting the um stream up right oh is that my responsibility again that's your responsibility again why do you think I invited you uh but we are going to uh close down uh twitch soon after I get back to the bathroom so if you are on Twitch remember kick or YouTube but I'm going to use restroom be good no slurs uh s you're in charge till I what is a slur well before uh one second I have to figure out where we're watching this I didn't realize that I'm he didn't tell me this I have to find remember we can't you can't I don't know if there's going to be any kind of way of streaming this live if we're just saying the F Chuck it in the [ __ ] it bucket and we're all getting banned or if we're just going to like I don't know if you're if you're streaming this to Twitch you need to end your stream now well the way around hold on hold on there's a way there's a way around that all right this is what you do I don't like this anytime Gib says there's a way around it this sounds like January 6th about this is does know a lot about trying to get around [ __ ] he's a it's true you know what big boys we know hey here's we're I'm G greas you up right now then here's how we do it you just don't show it but they can hear the audio it's not covered on the protection thing because you can wait did twitch make an announcement saying any broadcasts of the debate is like verboten is that what happened no but in 20 the 2016 election it happened the 2020 um the the primary and the like this as a mar so that I can go on Twitter and be like I got banned I gotens I got it now am There's an actual so there's an actual logical way around it which is you just separate the audio from your VOD track uh in OBS and then it won't be in your VOD and nobody ever goes after you oh look at the [ __ ] Tech genius over here who knows how to [ __ ] separate oh wow look at you you're all right s carry on are you doing it no no really quick question I'm interested are you doing it directly in OBS or do you use voice meter for that use voice meter or I'm pretty you how you would separate the sources into OBS and then in OBS you would separate the uh like uh browser Source or the Discord Source out of your VOD TR uh but I actually just have a microphone that comes with software lets me split it now so wait really quick par paralax can I ask question can you can you like go like that's what I was to ask I wasn't sure I can't CU I can't I can't tell if it's your I can't tell if you're sick or if you have like something's wrong with your in the throat sound like the Frog I I think it's frog get the Frog okay now yeah frog yeah frog is out I couldn't tell if it mic be careful tonight if there's any frog running around in your living room or something okay one second I got to figure out let me let me kill uh twitch yeah I figure out how to stream to all right I will nuke nuke my twitch stream I guess you don't have to like that it's it's your call right like how much it's a bad it's a bad decision don't do that I'm telling you right now it's a bad decision I'm not monetized on YouTube or Twitter so you know what I'm gonna nuke my uh my twitch I'm just gonna cover the stream with with a flag that's what I'm gonna do a big old americ flag waving Amer flag just W while we're waiting for this and I think to's going to be joining us hopefully soon um tiberias did you have any thoughts on the last thing we were talking about cuz I'm assuming that's why you jumped on oh I was just hanging out in your backstage I I didn't have any particular reason to be here I was just hanging out um I I don't even remember what the last thing we talked about is like last time we talked was months ago if I remember right so I meant the last show I was just doing like just just now but if you weren't watching that you were just literally hanging you were not helpful uh me yeah like me me andler were catching up it was great can somebody can somebody tell me if this is not going to be allowed to be streamed on X or not I usually multi I don't know about that I have no idea about here it's still Twitter by the way Twitter it should be fine on Twitter Hey I I'll give him X when actually he makes it something that's worth a damn because this is a joke what the hell happened to x x is a nightmare dude like what the hell it was so bad and it's so much worse I think it's a drastic improvement personally like there's certain things I like about it like the community notes seem to be more of something that I've seen while it's been X over like um over what it was with Twitter but holy Christ like just the outright nonsense that I see like it used to be just leftwing crazies now it's leftwing crazies right-wing crazies and people who think the Earth is flat crazies plus the Bots like holy crap dude like and lots of wait the Earth isn't flat there's a [ __ ] pile of porn too now and like it is really Stardust Stardust uh posted something about this yesterday it is really creepy knowing that that porn is specifically being circulated because dudes are no longer using their alts they're just straight up engaging with it on their main accounts part one yes part two is that I I guess because PornHub is now blocked in like half the red States they just you know take to Twitter get it where you get it I guess um okay uh well uh with that we're going to kind of uh winnow it down to the people who I specifically reached out to and talked to um there will be a semiopen react panel after this that you are all welcome to join but for now I'm going to start winwing the group so give me a moment okay all right tell me uh is the stream working for you guys yes can you guys see that dear viewers on YouTube and on Kick can't hear it quite yet but that's fine because we don't need to right now oh well I don't well I just want test we don't yeah we yeah we can hear it uh the test worked um before we begin though and I'm going to I'm going to close watching your stream for now just so we can talk right but but uh keep keep it on keep watching when it when it starts just uh let me know um does anyone know where lacto is first of all no I'll DM him okay these are questions what are we looking for tonight what do you think will happen what do you think needs to happen what does each candidate need to do or convey to best help their election to best win over voters what are your initial Impressions or I not initial Impressions but what are your initial thoughts going into this what do you expect to see um we're going to start with the Dog House show and we're going to work it our right around but uh yeah uh what are your thoughts here yeah so I think that what we're going to see from Donald Trump is is he's not going to be able to stick to a policy uh position I think what we're going to see is is he's going to be focusing primarily on the debate itself and how unfair it is um I expect to see when a question is asked a Dodge comes from it and it goes on to to what he wants to talk about uh which likely has to do with immigration I think we're see a lot of talk about immigration coming from Donald Trump whether it's asked or not um I think we're going to see a lot about some of the lack of kamala's or kamala's policies uh even though I disagree with that senent I think that's what's going to come from Donald Trump I think we're GNA see kamla Harris do really well on policy and sticking with that uh I think she's going to try to throw some zingers the question is is whether those zingers come off as cringe whether those zingers actually stick uh is a possibility of a 50-50 split of it being one or the other um I think this is all for uh kamla Harris to win but it's it could also be hers to lose if she comes off a little too cringey and trying to fit in a little bit too youthful and I I want to again we got about five minutes before this is scheduled to start they usually start a little late right so it's not U entirely right uh but conciseness is what I'm looking for here so sansil same thing um what are your thoughts uh what do you think each candidate needs to do what do you expect will happen uh give us your thoughts uh KLA needs to get Donald Trump to call her the nword I think that should be her uh only goal tonight um after that um really it like dog house said it is commas to lose uh Donald Trump is definitely the under dog going into the debate in terms of who's going to win the debate um I think that it's uh Donald Trump's gonna go up there he's going to try and do his usual Shenanigans he's not going to say anything of any [ __ ] value whatsoever he's not going to say anything of any uh substance and then all the conservatives are going to Ste clap along with them so let's watch okay um lact toid so you weren't here for this but uh the question at hand is what does each candidate need to do and what do you expect will will will go ahead yeah do you hear me okay yep you're fine you're doing great buddy all right so um what does each canid need to do um I I don't know I I think that Donald Trump just needs to just do his thing as he always does I don't expect him to do anything more anything less um I thinko will do fine uh I actually do agree with the prediction Rob made Rob no he said that uh he predicts KLA is gonna probably do a little bit better um that's probably true um but it's also possible that uh she could [ __ ] the bed I guess if she locks up or says something really dumb or tries to go for like a I'm speaking when nobody's speaking that could probably be a memeable moment um so as long as she avoids memeable moments I think she'll be okay Gibbs thoughts yeah I mean someone brought the Border earlier I really hope that in the words of like a Houston uh Legend Jim Adler that uh Trump justers her on the [ __ ] border like repeatedly over and over especially with the new front Island stuff that's happened I don't mean to interrupt like Jim Adler do what he okay yeah sorry it Peak so much I I thought I was like wait he didn't even say hammer okay go go on go on yeah yeah the whole thing sorry you know anyway but yeah so I hope uh they just like hits her on the border repeatedly I think he needs to do that um I think he should talk about his time in office uh you know Kamala I mean really I think for her keys to win she needs to lay out some policy like I feel like people don't really understand what what is her right like I feel that would be a good thing for her to do um as far as Trump I think this no the muting the mics thing helps him quite a bit I mean maybe it'll cut down on his Off the Cuffs I don't know we'll see but yeah I think maybe keys to victory for chump is don't uh don't call her the nword you know that's that's the key don't call her the nword that's the key I love it uh I love the commentary from Gibbs thank you um last but certainly not least well it will be me but average debate enjoyer Tyler what do you have so as our residential moderate and remember concise remember concise got a minute and 30 seconds yeah we're looking for for both of the candidates uh we're looking for Cala to Define herself we're looking for Trump to try to Define her she's the unknown Trump's had four years of incumbency already we already know what he's gonna do we don't know if Kamala is gonna be a repeat of Biden if she's gonna be something with out of the Obama Coalition based on some of the people she's brought in or we don't know if she's gonna be her 2020 political instincts from inner Democrat policy we're going to look for defining Camala and Trump just not blowing it no nword no blowing okay Trump hases marching orders so for my yeah for my uh we can't have another debate like it was the last time if Cala shits the bed if she flubs this and [ __ ] it up I don't know that's a huge problem she needs to at least do As Good As Trump right she needs to break even right um I think that ideally she would communicate right because a lot of people are looking at her for the first time right but um uh I think the stream's about to start so we're going to uh uh transition to watching that um try to keep interruptions during the stream itself to a minimum though we will be commenting as they go um afterwards is when we're going to get the react baby and that's where we're going to get to to go so let's uh transition to that I'm GNA crank the volume all the way up so you guys can adjust it yourself okay is that something that folks will be watching careful he's now of course are we streaming it through disc we will be back with you at the top of the hour now 9:00 on East Coast here in New York and in Philadelphia the room where it's from tonight's first and perhaps last presidential debate between vice president kamla Harris and former president Donald Trump as we've noted this will be the first time these candidates have met in person and it's happening on a debate stage also the first debate since President Biden left the race over the summer and Harris became the Democratic nominee a lot has happened in a very compressed period of time yes it has and we have a few uh moments until the debate starts we will join it ABC News is is broadcasting s right here in its entirety taking place at the national Constitution Center in Philadelphia yeah until the yeah mute those guys until the the actual debate starts right I don't I don't care about their commentary right can I just say like one of the one of the things that as a as a li left cuck boy okay um that's really terrifying here is that the Democrats get held to unbelievable standards Trump can go up there and like say ugab Booga and literally no one will [ __ ] care he could just sit there and stammer for like half of the [ __ ] debate about you know too many brown people coming in from the oh are we starting oh hell yeah let's go around the world tonight vice president K Harris and president Donald Trump are just moments away from taking the stage in this unprecedented race for president and I'm lindsy Davis tonight's meeting could be the most consequential event of their campaigns with election day now less than two months away for vice president Harris this is her first debate since President Biden on July 21st of course that decision followed his debate against President Donald Trump in June since then this race has taken on an entirely new Dynamic and that brings us to the rules of tonight's debate 90 minutes with two commercial breaks no topics or questions have been shared with the campaigns the candidates will have two minutes to answer questions and this is the clock that's what they'll be seeing 2 minutes for rebuttals and one minute for follow-ups clarifications or responses microphones will only turned on when it's their turn to speak no pre-written notes allowed there is no audience here tonight in this Hall at the national Constitution Center this is an intimate setting for two candidates who have never met president Trump won the coin toss he chose to deliver the final closing statement of the evening vice president Harris elected the podium to the right so let's now welcome the candidates to the stage vice president KLA Harris and president Donald Trump let's go are they going to shake hands well she went to shake his hand she went all the way over first he wasn't going to both it's wonderful to have you it's an honor to have you both here tonight good evening we are looking forward to a spirited and thoughtful debate so let's get started I want to begin tonight with the issue that voters repeatedly say is their number one issue and that is the economy and the cost of living in this country vice president Harris you and president Trump were elected four years ago and your opponent on the stage here tonight often asks his supporters are you better off than you were four years ago when it comes to the economy do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago economy so I was raised as a middle class kid and I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America I believe in the Ambitions the aspirations the dreams of the American people and that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy because here's the thing we know that we have a a shortage of of homes and housing and the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people we know that young families need support to raise their children and I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000 which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time so that those young families can afford to buy a crib buy a car seat buy clothes for their children my passion one of them is small businesses I was actually my mother raised my sister and me but there was a woman who helped raise us we call her our second mother she was a small business owner I love our small businesses my plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start up small businesses knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy my opponent on the other hand his plan is to do what he has done before which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations which will result in5 trillion dollars to America's deficit my opponent has a plan that I call the Trump's sales tax which would be a 20% tax on everyday Goods that you rely on to get through the month economists have said that that Trump sales tax would actually result for middle class families in about $44,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires president Trump I'll give you two minutes first of all I have no sales tax that's an incorrect statement she knows that uh we're doing tariffs on other countries other countries are going to finally after 75 years pay us back for all that we've done for the world and the Tariff will be substantial in some cases I took in billions and billions of dollars as you know from China in fact they never took the Tariff off because it was so much money they can't it would totally destroy everything that they've set out to do they're taking in billions of dollars from China and other places they've left the tariffs on when I had it I had tariffs and yet I had no inflation uh look we've had a terrible economy because inflation has which is really known as a country Buster it breaks up countries we have inflation like very few people have ever seen before probably the worst in our nation's history we were at 21% but that's being generous because many things are 50 60 70 and 80% higher than they were just a few years ago this has been a disaster for people for the middle class but for every class on top of that we have millions of people pouring into our country from prisons and jails from mental institutions and insane asylums and they're coming in and they're taking jobs that are occupied right now by African-Americans and Hispanics and also unions unions are going to be affected very soon and you see what's happening you see what's happening with towns throughout the United States you look at Springfield Ohio you look at Aurora in Colorado they are taking over the towns they're taking over buildings they're going in violently these are the people that she and Biden led into our country and they're destroying our country they're dangerous they're at the highest level of criminality and we have to get them out we have to get them out fast I created one of the greatest economies in the history of our country I'll do it again and even better we are going to get to immigration and border security during this debate but I would like to let vice president Harris respond on the he did it I would love to let's talk about what Donald Trump left us Donald Trump left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression Donald Trump left us the worst Public Health epidemic in a century Donald Trump left us the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War and what we have done is clean up Donald Trump's mess what we have done and what I intend to do is build on what we know are the aspirations and the hopes of the American people but I'm going to tell youall in this debate tonight you're going to hear from the same old tired Playbook a bunch of Lies Grievances and name calling what you're going to hear tonight is a deta and dangerous Plan called project 2025 that the former president intends on implementing if he were elected to again I believe very strongly that the American people want a president who understands the importance of bringing us together know we have so much more in common than what separates us and I pledge to you to be a president for all Americans president Trump I'll give you a minute here to respond number one I have nothing to do as you know and as she knows better than anyone I have nothing to do with project 2025 uh that's out there I haven't read it I don't want to read it purposely I'm not going to read it this was a group of people that got together they came up with some ideas read some bad but it makes no difference I have nothing to do everybody knows I'm an open book everybody knows what I'm going to do cut taxes very substantially and create a great economy like I did before we had the greatest economy we got hit with a pandemic and the pandemic was not since 1917 where 100 million people died has there been anything like it we did a phenomenal job with the pandemic we handed them over a country where the economy and where the stock market was higher than it was before the pandemic came in nobody's ever seen anything like it we made ventilators for the entire world we got gowns we got things that nobody thought possible and people give me credit for rebuilding the military they give me credit for a lot of things but not enough credit for the great job we did with the pandemic but the only jobs they got were bounceback jobs these were jobs bounce back and it bounced back and it went to their benefit but I was the that created them they know it and so does everybody else vice president Harris I'll let you respond so Donald Trump has no plan for you and when you look at his economic plan it's all about tax breaks for the richest people I am offering what I describe as an opportunity economy and the best economists in our country if not the world have reviewed our relative plans for the future of America what Goldman Sachs has said is that Donald Trump plan would make the economy worse mine would strengthen the economy what the Wharton School has said is Donald Trump's plan would actually explode the deficit 16 Nobel laurates have described his economic plan as something that would increase inflation and by the middle of next year would invite a recession you just have to look at where we are and where we stand on the issues and I'd invite you to know that Donald Trump actually has no plan for you because he is more interested in defending himself than he is in looking out for you that's just a sound bite they gave her that to say look I went to the Wharton School of Finance many of those professors the top professors think my plan is a brilliant plan it's a great plan it's a plan that's going to bring up our our worth our value as a country it's going to make people want to be able to go and work and uh create jobs and create a lot of good solid money for our for our country and just to finish off uh she doesn't have a plan she copied Biden's plan and it's like four sentences like Run Spot Run four sentences that are just oh we'll try to lower taxes she doesn't have a plan take a look at her plan she doesn't have a plan Mr President I do want to drill down on something you both brought up uh the vice president brought up your tariffs you responded and let's drill down on this because your plan is what she calls is essentially a national sales tax your proposal calls for tariffs as you pointed out here on Foreign imports across the board you recently said that you might double your plan imposing tariffs up to 20% on Goods coming into this country as you know many economists say that with tariffs at that level costs are then passed on to the consumer vice president Harris has argued it'll mean higher prices on gas food clothing medication arguing it costs the typical family nearly $4,000 a year do you believe Americans can afford higher prices because of tariffs they're not going to have higher prices what's going to have and who's going to have higher prices is China and all of the countries that have been ripping us off for years I charged I was the only president ever China was paying us hundreds of billions of dollars and so were other countries and you know if she doesn't like them they should have gone out and they should have immediately cut the tariffs but those tariffs are there three and a half years now under their Administration we are going to take in billions of dollars hundreds of billions of dollars I had no inflation virtually no inflation they had the highest inflation perhaps in the history of our country because I've never seen a worse period of time people can't go out and buy cereal or bacon or eggs or anything else these the people of our country are absolutely dying with what they've done they've destroyed the economy and all you have to do is look at a poll the polls say 80 and 85 and even 90% that the Trump economy was great that their economy was terrible vice president Harris I do want to ask for your response and you heard what the president said there because the Biden Administration did keep a number of the Trump tariffs in place so how do you respond it's a good follow well let's be clear that the Trump Administration resulted in a trade deficit one of the highest we've ever seen in the history of America he invited trade Wars you want to talk about his deal with China what he ended up doing is under Donald Trump's presidency he ended up selling American chips to China to help them improve and modernize their military basically sold us out when a policy about China should be in making sure the United States of America wins the competition for the 21st century which means focusing on the details of what that requires focusing on relationships with our allies focusing on investing in american-based technology so that we win the race on AI on Quantum Computing focusing on what we need to do to support America's Workforce so that we don't end up having the on the short end of the stick in terms of workers rights but what Donald Trump did let's talk about this with covid is he actually thanked president XI for what he did during Co look at his tweet thank you president XI exclamation point when we know that she was responsible for lacking and not giving us transparency about the origins of covid President Trump I'll let you respond first of all they bought their chips from Taiwan we hardly make chips anymore because of uh philosophies like they have and policies like they have I don't say her because she has no policy everything that she believed three years ago and four years ago is out the window she's going to My Philosophy now in fact I was going to send her a Maga hat she's gone to My Philosophy but if she ever got elected she'd change it and it will be the end of our country she's a Marxist everybody knows she's a Marxist her father's a Marxist professor in economic and he taught her well but when you look at what she's done to our country when you these millions and millions of people that are pouring into our country monthly where it's I believe 21 million people not the 15 that people say and I think it's a lot higher than the 21 that's bigger than New York State pouring in and just look at what they're doing to our country they're criminals many of these people coming in at criminals imig too you know you mentioned before we'll talk about immigration later immigration is the worst thing that can happen to our economy they have and she has destroyed our country with policy that's insane almost policy that you'd say they have to hate our country president Trump thank you Lindsay I want to turn to the issue of abortion president Trump you've often touted that you were able to kill roie Wade last year you said that you were proud to be the most pro-life president in American history then last month you said that your Administration would be great for women and their Reproductive Rights in your home state of Florida you surprised many uh with regard to your six- we abortion ban because you initially had said that it was too short and you said quote I'm going to be voting that we need more than six weeks but then the very next day you revers course and said you would vote to support the six we ban vice president Harris says that women shouldn't trust you on the issue of of abortion because you've changed your position so many times therefore why should they trust you well the reason I'm doing that vote is because the plan is as you know the vote is they have abortion in the ninth month they even have and you can look at the governor of West Virginia the previous governor of West Virginia not the current governor is doing an excellent job but the governor before he said the baby will be born and we will decide what to do with the baby in other words we'll execute the baby and that's why I did that because that predominates because they're radical the Democrats are radical in that and her vice president presential pick which I think was a horrible pick by the way for our country because he is really out of it but her vice presidential pick says abortion in the 9th month is absolutely fine he also says execution after birth it's execution no longer abortion because the baby is born is okay and that's not okay with me hence the vote but what I did is something for 52 years they've been trying to get roie wade into the states and through the uh genius and and heart strength six Supreme Court Justices we were able to mon right the exceptions for rape incest and life of the mother I believe strongly in it Ronald Reagan did also 85% of Republicans do exceptions very important but we were able to get it and now states are voting on it and for the first time you're going to see look this is an issue that's torn our country apart for for 52 years every legal scholar every Democrat every Republican liberal conservative they all wanted this issue to be brought back to the states where the people could vote and that's what happened happened now Ohio the vote was somewhat Liberal Kansas the vote was somewhat liberal much more liberal than people would have thought but each individual state is voting it's the vote of the people now it's not tied up in the federal government I did a great service in doing it it took courage to do it and the Supreme Court had great courage in doing it and I give tremendous credit to those six justices there is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born Madam vice president want to get your response to Trump well as I said you're going to hear a bunch of lies and that's not actually a surprising fact let getting bashed and she has to Donald I got you I got you hand selected States Supreme Court with the intention that they would and they did exactly as he intended now in over 20 states there are Trump abortion bans which make it criminal for a doctor or nurse to provide Health Care in one state it provides prison for life Trump abortion bans that make no exception even for rape and incest which understand what that means a survivor of a crime of violation to their body does not have the right to make a decision about what happen happens to their body next that is immoral and one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply hell beliefs to agree the government and Donald Trump certainly should not be telling a woman what to do with her body I have talked with women around our country you want to talk about this is what people wanted pregnant women who want to carry a pregnancy to term suffering from a miscarriage being denied care in an emergency room because the health care providers are afraid they might go to jail and she's bleeding out in a car in the parking lot huge Point she didn't want that her husband didn't want that a 12 or 13-year-old Survivor of incest being forced to carry a pregnancy to term they don't want that and I pledge to you when Congress passes a bill to put back in place the protections of roie Wade as president of the United States I will proudly sign it into law but understand if Donald Trump were to be reelected he will sign a National Abortion ban understand in his project 2025 there would be a National Abortion a monitor that would be monitoring your pregnancies your miscarriages I think the American people believe that certain freedoms in particular the freedom to make decisions about one's own body should not be made by the government thank you vice president har again it's a lie I'm not a ban to sign a ban because any democ everybody else and every legal scholar wanted it to be brought back into the states and the states are voting and it may take a little time but for 52 years this issue has torn our country apart and they've wanted it back in the States and I did something that nobody thought was possible the states are now voting what she says is an absolute lie as far as the abortion B no I'm not in favor of abortion B but it doesn't matter because this issue has now been taken over by the states would you veto a National Abortion ban if it well I won't have to because again two things number one she said she'll go back to Congress she'll never get the vote impossible for her to get the vote especially now with the 50/50 essentially 50/50 in both Senate and the house she's not going to get get the vote she can't get the vote she won't even come close to it so it's just talk you know what it reminds me of when they said they're going to get student loans I really wanted to answer that question and it ended up being a total catastrophe the student loans and then her I I think probably her boss if you call him a boss he spends all his time on the beach but look her boss went out and said we'll do it again we'll do it a different way and he went out got rejected Again by the Supreme Court so all these students got uh taunted with this whole thing about this whole idea and how unfair that would have been part of the reason they lost to the millions and millions of people that had to pay off their student loans they didn't get it for free but they were saying it's the same way that they talked about that that they talk about abortion but if I could yes or no because your running mate J JD Vance has said that you would veto if you did come to your well I didn't discuss it with JD in all fairness uh JD and I I don't mind if he has a certain view but I think he was speaking for me but I really didn't look we don't have to discuss it because she'd never be able to get it just like she couldn't get student loans they couldn't get student loans question can't answer the question he won't answer the question young people lot of other people that had loans they can never get this approved so it doesn't matter what she says about going to Congress wonderful let's go to Congress do it but the fact is that for years they wanted to get it out of Congress and out of the federal government and we did something that everybody said couldn't be done and now you have a vote of the people on abortion this is bad vice president Harris want to give you your time to respond but I do want to ask would you support any restrictions on woman I absolutely support reinstating the protections of roie Wade and as you rightly mentioned nowhere in America is a woman carrying a pregnancy to term and and and asking for an abortion that is not happening it's insulting to the women of America and understand what has been happening under Donald Trump's abortion bands couples who pray and and and and dream of having a family are being denied IVF treatments what is happening in our country working people working women who are working one or two jobs who can barely afford child care as it is have to travel to another state to get on a plane sitting next to strangers to go and get the health care she needs barely can afford to do it and what you are putting her through is unconscionable and the people of America have not the majority of Americans believe in a woman's right to make decisions about her own body and that is why in every state where this issue has been on the ballot in red and blue States both the people of America have voted for Freedom vice president excuse me I have to respond another lie it's another lie I have been a leader on IVF with which which is fertilization IVF I have been a leader in fact when they got a very negative decision on IVF from the Alabama courts I saw the people of Alabama and the legislature two days later voted it in I've been a leader on it they know that and everybody else knows it I have been a leader on fertilization IVF and the other thing they ration leader will she allow abortion in the eth month 9th month sth okay would you do that why don't you ask her that question she hold on she should answer this question you could do the eth month the nth and probably after birth just look at the governor former governor of Virginia of Virginia said we put the B DET what mik we're going to turn now to immigration she didn't answer hold on no make her the question neither in this countryid Biden with getting to the root causes of migration from Central America we know that illegal border crossings reached a record high in the Biden Administration this past June President Biden imposed tough new Asylum restrictions we know the numbers since then have dropped significantly but my question to you tonight is why did the administration wait until 6 months before the election to act and would you have done anything differently from President Biden on this so I'm the only person on this stage who has prosecuted transnational criminal organizations for the trafficking of guns drugs and human beings and let me say that the United States Congress including some of the most conservative members of the United States Senate came up with a border security bill which I supported and that bill would have put 1,500 more border agents On the Border to help those folks who are working there right now overtime trying to do their job it would have allowed Ed us to stem the flow of fentol coming into the United States I know there are so many families watching tonight who have been personally affected by The Surge of fentanyl in our country that bill would have put more resources to allow us to prosecute transnational criminal organizations for trafficking in guns drugs and human beings but you know what happened to that bill Donald Trump got on the phone called up some folks in Congress and said kill the bill and you know why because he'd prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem and understand this comes at a time where the people of our country actually need a leader who engages in Solutions who actually addresses the problems at hand but what we have in the former president is someone who would prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem and I'll tell you something he's going to talk about immigration a lot tonight even when it's not the subject that is being raised and I'm going to actually do something really unusual and I'm going to invite you to attend one of Donald Trump's rallies cuz it's a really interesting thing to watch you will see during the course of his rallies he talks about fictional characters like cannibal Lector he will talk about windmills cause cancer and what you will also notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom and I will tell you the one thing you will not hear him talk about is you you will not hear him talk about your needs your dreams and your need and your desires and I'll tell you I believe you deserve a president who actually puts you first and I pledge to you that I will vice president Harris thank you president Trump on that point I want to let me just ask though why did you try to kill that bill and successfully so that would have put thousands of additional agents and officers On the Border first let me respond this to the rallies she said people don't go to her rallies there's no reason to go and the people that do go she's busting them in and paying them to be there and then showing them in different light so she can't talk about that people don't live my rallies we have the biggest rallies the most incredible rallies in the history of politics that's because people want to take their country back our country is being lost we're a failing nation and it happened three and a half years ago and what what's going on here you're going to end up in World War III just to go into another subject what they have done to our country by allowing these millions and millions of people I'm going to fire a lawsuit for whiplash holy [ __ ] to the towns all over the United States and a lot of towns don't want to talk not going to be Aurora or Springfield a lot of towns don't want to talk they're so embarrassed by it in Springfield they're eating the dogs the people that came in they're eating the cats oh my God what's going on he soed he's so down bad dude just keep hammering the immigration concerned the reason they go is they want to bring our country back they want to make America great again it's very simple phrase make America great again she's destroying this country and if she becomes president this country doesn't have a chance of success not only success will end up being Venezuela on steroids I just want to that's godamn right and ABC News did reach out to the city manager damn you're coping hard right now this is this is content pets being harmed injured or abused by individuals this what I wanted immigrant Community I've seen people on television let me just say here this is the people on television say my dog was taken and used for food so maybe he said that and maybe that's a good thing to say for a city manager I'm not taking this from telion dog was eaten by the people that went there again the Springfield City manager says there's no evidence of that vice president Harris I'll let you respond to the rest of we'll find out [ __ ] extreme um you know I it this is why in this election I actually have the endorsement of 200 Republicans who have formally worked with President Bush Mitt Romney and John McCain including the endorsement of former vice president Congress member Liz Cheney and if you I'm still reeling from his answer just the track on who the former president is if he didn't make it clear already just ask people have worked with him his former Chief of Staff a fourstar general has said he has contempt for the Constitution of the United States his former National Security adviser has said he is dangerous and unfit his former Secretary of Defense has said the nation the Republic would never survive another Trump term don't get eaten and when we listen to this kind of rhetoric when the issues that affect the American people are not being addressed I think the choice is clear in this election President Trump I'll give you a quick minute to respond here uh thank you because when I hear that see I'm a different kind of a person I fired most of those people not so graciously they did bad things or a bad job I fired them they never fired one person they didn't fire anybody having to do with Afghanistan and the Taliban and the 13 people who who's were just killed viciously and violently killed and I got to know the parents and the family they didn't fire they should have fired all those generals all those top people because that was one of the most incompetently handled situations anybody has ever seen so when somebody does a bad job I fire him and you take a guy like esper he was no good I fired him so he writes a book another one writes a book because with me they can write books with nobody else can they but they have done such a poor job and they never fire anybody look at the economy look how look at the inflation they didn't fire any of their economists they have the same people that's a good way not to have books written about you but just to finish I got more votes than any Republican in history by far in fact I got more votes than any president sitting president in history by far except for one let me continue on immigration it was what you wanted to talk about earlier so let's get back to your deportation uh uh proposal that the are there no commercial breaks in this [ __ ] president Trump the largest domestic deportation operation in the history of our country you say you would use the National Guard you say if things get out of control you'd have no problem using the US military you also said you would use local police uh how would you uh Deport 11 million undocumented immigrants I know you you believe that number is much higher take us through this what does this look like will authorities be going door too in this country yeah it is much higher because of them they allowed criminals many many millions of criminals they allowed terrorist they allowed Common Street criminals they allowed people to come in drug dealers to come into our country and they're now in the United States and told by their countries like Venezuela don't ever come back or we're going to kill you do you know the crime in Venezuela and crime in countries all over the world is way down you know why because they've taken their criminals off the street and they've given them to her to put into our country and this will be one of the greatest mistakes for to allow and I think they probably did it but it's notth it because destroying the fabric of our country by what they've done there's never been anything done like this at all they've destroyed the fabric of our country millions of people let in and all over the world crime is down all over the world except here crime here is up and through the roof despite their fraudulent statements that they made crime in this country is through the roof form of crime it's called migrant crime and it's happening at levels that nobody thought possible president Trump as you know the FBI says overall violent crime is actually coming down in this country but excuse me the F def they were defrauding statements they they didn't include the worst cities they didn't include the cities with crime it was a this is actually a real criticism just like their number of 88,000 jobs they said they created turned out to be a fraud that's also true also fraud damn cooking them coming from someone who has been prosecuted for National Security crimes crimes election interference has been found liable for sexual assault and his next big is in November at his own criminal sentencing and let's be clear where each person stands on the issue of what is important about respect for the rule of law and respect for law enforcement the former vice president called for defunding federal law enforcement 45,000 agents get this on the day after he was arraigned on 34 felony counts so let's talk about what is important in this race it is important that we move forward that we turn the page on this same old tired rhetoric and address the needs of the American people address what we need to do about the housing shortage which I have a plan for address what we must do to support our small businesses address Bringing Down the price of groceries but frankly the American people are exhausted with this same old tired Playbook vice president Harris thank you excuse me every one of those cases was started by them against their political opponent and I'm winning most of them and I will win the restone appeal and you saw that with the decision that came down just recently from the Supreme Court I'm winning most of them but those are cases called weaponization never happened in this country they weaponized the justice department every one of those cases was involved with the doj from Atlanta and fny Willis to to the uh Attorney General of New York and the can't remember all the people who were Prosecuting him and then they say oh he was he's a criminal they're the ones that made them go after me by the way Joe Biden was found essentially guilty on the documents cas and what happened in my documents case they said oh that's the toughest of them all a complete and total Victory two months ago it was thrown out it's weaponization and they used it never happened in this country they used it to try and win an election fake cases TR was an illegally appointed on this notion of weaponization the justice department well let's talk about extreme and understand the context in which this election in 2024 is taking place the United States Supreme Court recently ruled that the former president would essentially be immune from any misconduct if he were to enter the White House again understand this is someone who has openly said he would terminate I'm quoting terminate the Constitution of the United States that he would weaponize the Department of Justice against his political enemies someone who has openly expressed disdain for members of our military understand understand what it would mean if Donald Trump were back in the white house with no guard rails because certainly we know now the court won't stop him we know JD Vance is not going to stop him it's up to the American people vice president Harris thank you lindsy vice president Harris in your last run for president this is the one that weaponized not me she weaponized probably took a bullet to the head because of the things that they say about me they talk about democracy threat to democracy they're the threat to democracy with a fake Russia Russia Russia investigation that went nowhere we have a lot to get to Lindsay vice president Harris in your last run for president you said you wanted to ban fracking now you don't you wanted mandatory government don't indirectly indirectly now you're taking a harder line I know you say that your values have not changed so then why have so many of your policy positions changed so my values have not changed and I'm going to discuss every one of the at least every point that you've made but in particular let's talk about fracking because we're here in Pennsylvania I made that very clear in 2020 I will not ban fracking I have not banned fracking as vice president of United States and in fact I Was the tiebreaking vote on the inflation reduction act which opened new leases for fracking my position is that we have got to invest in diverse sources of energy so we red reduce our Reliance on foreign oil we have had the largest increase in domestic oil production in history because of an approach that recognizes that we cannot over rely on foreign oil as it relates to my values drill a middle class kid raised by a hardworking mother who worked and saved and was able to buy our first home when I was a teenager the values I bring to the importance of home ownership not everybody got $400 million on a silver platter and then filed bankruptcy six times is a value that I bring to my work to say we are going to work with the private sector and home builders to increase 3 million homes increase by3 million homes by the end of my first term my work that is related to having a friend when I was in high school who was sexually assaulted by her stepfather and my focus then on protecting women and children from violent crime is based on value that is deeply grounded in the importance of standing up for those who are most vulnerable my work that is about protecting Social Security and Medicare is based on long-standing work that I have done protecting seniors from scams my values have not changed and what is important is that there is a president who actually brings values and a perspective that is about lifting people up and not beating people down and name calling the true measure of the leader is the leader who actually understands the strength is not in beating people down it's in lifting people up I intend to be that president president Trump your resp well first of all I wasn't given $0000 million I wish I was my father was a queens and a great father and I learned a lot from him but I was given a fraction of that a tiny fraction and have built it into many many billions of dollars many many billions and when people see it they are even surprised so we don't have to talk about that fracking she's been against it for 12 years uh defund the police she's been against that forever she gave all that stuff up very wrongly very horribly and everybody's laughing at it okay they're all laughing at it she gave up at least 12 and probably 14 or 15 different policies like she was big on defund the police in Minnesota she went out wait a minute I'm talking now oh [ __ ] does that sound I'm speaking he did the I'm speaking thing she went out she went out in Minnesota and wanted to let criminals that killed people that burned down Minneapolis she went out and raised money to get him out of jail she did things that nobody would ever think of now she wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison this is a radical left liberal that would do this she wants to confiscate your guns and she will never allow fracking in Pennsylvania if she won the election fracking in Pennsylvania will end on day one just to finish one thing so important in my opinion so I got the oil business going like nobody has ever done before they took when they took over they got rid of it started getting rid of it and the prices were going up the roof they immediately let these guys go to where they were I would have been five times four times five times higher because you're talking about three and a half years ago they got it up what was the question I was because they had no choice because the prices of energy were duping so they said let's go back to Trump but if she won the election the day after that election they haven't even asked him a question destroying our be dead we'll go back to windmills he him off solar a whole desert to get some energy to come resp to flip fling was at my up yeah it wasn't much oh yo thank you for the $100 adity I'll read it in a second presid Trump we have a lot of the envir thank you Lindsay thank you we have ele in just so we can talk about this I want to talk about the peaceful transfer of power which of course we all know is a Cornerstone of our democracy and the role ofender moment of Crisis Al that was so [ __ ] you told your supporters to March said you would be right there it's not even funny saw what played out of the capital that day the officers coming under attack AIDS in the west wings say you watched it unfold on television off the Oval Office uh you did send out tweets but it was more than two hours before you sent out that video message uh telling your supporters to go home oh [ __ ] is there anything you regret about what you did on that day you just said a thing that isn't covered peacefully and patriotically I said during my speech not later on peacefully and patriotically and nobody on the other side was killed Ashley babot was shot by an out of control police officer that should have never ever shot her it's a disgrace but we didn't do this group of people that have been treated so badly I ask what about all the people that are pouring into our country and killing people she allowed to voar remember that she was the bordar she doesn't want to be called the bordar because she's embarrassed by the border effect she said at the beginning oh I'm surprised you're not talking about the bu yet that's because she knows what a bad job they've done what about those people what's what are they going to be prosecuted when are these people from countries all over the world not just South America they're coming in from all over the world David all over the world and crime rates are down all over the world because of it one of those David one of those people going to be prosecuted when of the people that burned down Minneapolis going to be prosecuted or in ask you have any reget they took over a big percentage of the city of Seattle when are those people going to be prosecuted but let me just ask you you might ask her that question you were the president you were watching an unfold on television it's a very simple question as we move forward toward another election is there anything you regret about what you did on that day yesterday I had nothing to do with that other than they asked me to make a speech I showed I said I think it's going to be big Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of Washington DC and the mayor put it back in writing as you know I said you know this is going to be a very big ask her about the other thing and again it wasn't done by me it was done by others I said I'd like to give you 10,000 National Guard or soldiers they rejected me Nancy Pelosi rejected me it was just two weeks ago her daughter has a tape of her saying she is fully responsible for what happened they want to get rid of that tape it would have never happened if Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of Washington did their jobs I wasn't responsible for security Nancy Pelosi was responsible she didn't do her job the question was about you as president not about former speaker Pelosi but I do want vice president Harris to respond here I was at the capital on January 6th I was the vice president elect I was also an acting Senator I was there and on that day the president of the United States incited a violent mob to attack our nation's capital to to desecrate our nation's capital on that day 140 law enforcement officers were injured and some died and understand the former president has been indicted and impeached for exactly that reason but this is not an isolated situation let's remember Charlottesville where there was a mob of people carrying tiki torches spewing anti-semitic hate and what did the president then at the time say on each side I bet you he fact checks this one that when it came you think he's gonna fact Che yeah he's gonna fact check this one surely I'm gonna take a hit if you don't right by wait where where's the fact check so foring who remembers what January 6th was I say we don't have to go back let's not go back we're not going back it's time to turn got ready for and if that was a bridge too far for you well there is a place in our campaign for you to stand for country to stand for our democracy to stand for rule of law and to end the chaos the mods are so bad to end the approach that is about attacking the foundations of our democracy cuz you don't like the outcome and be clear on that point Donald Trump the candidate has said in this election there will be a blood bath if this and the outcome of this election is not to his liking let's turn the page on this let's not go back let's chart a course for the future and not go backwards to the past let me just follow up here it was a different term and it was a term that related to energy because they have destroyed our energy business that was where no fact Jack like I thought well interrupted the as you would say debunked Laura Ingram sha Hannity Jesse all of these people they covered it if they go an extra sentence they will see it was perfect it was debunked in almost every newspaper but they still bring it up just like they bring 20125 up they bring all of this stuff up I ask you this you talk about the why are we allowing these millions of people to come through on the southern border how come she my God she really cares about the Border dude proud to do it I would say he obviously needs to keep hammering the Border that's what he need to go down to Washington DC during this debate because we're wasting a lot of time go down to because she's been so bad it's so ridiculous go down to Washington DC and let her sign a bill to close up the Border because they have the right to do it they don't need bills they have the right to do it the president of the United States you'll get them out of bed you'll wake them up at 4:00 in the afternoon you'll say come on come on down to the office let's sign a bill If he if he signs a bill that the border is closed all he has to do is say it to the border patrol who are phenomenal if they do that the border is closed those people are killing many people unlike j6 we talked immigration here tonight I do want to focus on this next issue to both of you because it really BR this into Focus Truth uh in these times that we're living in uh Mr President for three and a half years after you lost the 2020 election you repeatedly falsely claim that you won many times saying you won in a land slide in the past couple of weeks leading up to this debate uh you have said quote you lost by a whisker that you didn't quite make it that you came up a little bit short that are you now acknowledging that you lost in 2020 I don't acknowledge that at all I said that sarcastically you know that no he did not said sarcastically look did you watch the that was have to do is look at it and they should have sent it back to the legislatures for approval I got almost 75 million votes the most votes any sitting president has ever gotten I was told if I got 63 which was what I got in 2016 you can't be beaten the election people should never be thinking about an election is fraudulent we need two things we need walls we need and we have to have it we have to have borders and we have to have good elections our elections are bad and a lot of these illegal immigrants coming in they're trying to get them to vote they can't even speak English they don't even know what country they're in practically and these people trying to get them to vote and that's why they're allowing them toed if you're in chat which you sometimes are was he being sarcastic when he said that lost by whisker we didn't no I'm asking Lex you and your allies 60 cases of many J calling you out they said we didn't have standing that's the other thing they said we didn't have standing a technicality can you imagine a system techn a person in an election doesn't have standing the president of the United States doesn't have standing that's how we lost if you look at the facts and I'd love to have you you'll do a special on it I'll show you Georgia and I'll show you Wisconsin and I'll show you Pennsylvania and I'll show you we have so many faction and statistics but you know what that doesn't matter because we have to solve the problem that we have right now that's old news and the problem that we have right now is we have a nation in Decline and they have put it into decline we have a nation that is dying David Mr President thank you uh vice president Harris you heard the president there tonight he said he didn't say that that he lost by whisker so he still believes he did not lose the election uh that was won by President Biden uh and yourself but I do want to ask you about something that's come up in the last couple of days this was a post from a president you think she's going to get fact checked a single timeing election weeks away he said when I win a single time he says we'll be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law which will include longterm prison sentences know one of your campaign's top lawyers resp we won't letal Trump intimidate us we won't let him suppress the vote is that what you believe he's trying to do here Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people so let's be clear about that and clearly he is having a very difficult time processing that but we cannot afford to have a president of the United States who attempts as he did in the past to upend the will of the voters in a free and fair election and I'm going to tell you that I have traveled the world as vice president United States and world leaders are laughing at Donald Trump I have talked with military leaders some of whom worked with you and they say you're a disgrace and when you then talk in this way in a presidential debate and deny what over and over again are court cases you have lost because you did in fact lose that election it leads one to believe that perhaps we do not have in the candidate to my right the temperament or or the ability to not be confused AUM about fact that's deeply troubling and the American people deserve better I'll give you one minute to respond Mr President let me just tell about world leaders Victor Orban one of the most respected men they call him a strong manct Orbin is that the guy you're going to go with smart prime minister of Hungary they said why is the whole world blowing up 3 years ago it wasn't why is it blowing up he said because you need Trump back as president they not a good end was afraid and I don't like to use the word afraid but I'm just quoting him China was afraid of him Hitler thought I was a strong President right look at what's going on North Korea by orb's like a horrible [ __ ] person ended the nordstream 2 Pipeline and Biden put it back on day one but he ended the pipeline the XL pipeline in our country he ended that but he let the Russians build a pipeline going all over Europe and heading into Germany the biggest pipeline look Victor Orban said it he said the most respected most feared person is Donald Trump we had no problems when Trump was president but when this weak pathetic man that you saw at a debate just a few months ago that if he weren't in that debate instead of he got no votes he got 14 million votes what you did he got 14 million votes and you know give you a little secret he hates her he can't stand her but he got 14 million votes they threw him out she got zero votes when she ran she was the first one to leave because she failed and now she's running I don't understand it but I'm okay with it because your time is up I think we're going to do very well we've got a lot more to now to the Israel Hamas war and still being held Americans among them vice president Harris in December you said quote Israel has a right to defend itself but you added quote it matters how saying International humanitarian law must be respected Israel must do more to protect innocent civilians you said that nine months ago now an estimated 40,000 Palestinians are dead nearly 100 hostages remain just last week prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu said there's not a deal in the making President Biden has not been able to break through the stalemate how would you do it well let's understand how we got here on October 7th key question Hamas a terrorist organization slaughtered 1200 Israelis many of them young people who were simply attending a concert's maling righten were horribly raped and so absolutely I said then I say now Israel has a right to defend itself we would and how it does so matters because it is also true far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed children mothers what we know is that this war must end it must when end immediately and the way it will end we need a ceasefire deal and we need the hostages out and so we will continue to work around the clock on that work around the clock also on understanding that we must chart a course for a two-state solution and in that solution there must be security for the Israeli people and Israel and in equal measure for the Palestinians but the one thing I will assure you always I will always give Israel the ability to defend itself in particular as it rates to as it relates to Iran and any threat that Iran and its proxies posed to Israel but we must have a two-state solution where we can rebuild Gaza where the Palestinians have security self-determination and the dignity they so rightly deserve what about Hamas Trump how would you negotiate and also Hamas in order to get the wow they're actually to ask both candidates question shans in Gaza if I were president it would have never started if I were president Russia would have never ever I know Putin very well he would have never and there was no threat of it either by the way for four years have gone into Ukraine and killed millions of people when you add it up far worse than people understand what's going on over there but when she mentions about Israel all of a sudden she hates Israel she wouldn't even meet with Netanyahu when he went to Congress to make a very important speech she refused to be there because she was at a sority party of hers she wanted to go to the sority party she hates Israel if she's president I believe that Israel will not exist Within two years from now and I've been pretty good at predictions and I hope I'm wrong about that she hates the Arab population because the whole place is going to get blown up Arabs Jewish people Israel Israel will be gone it would have never happened Iran was broke under Donald Trump now Iran has $300 billion because they took off all the sanctions that I had Iran man had no money for Hamas or Hezbollah or any of the 28 different uh spheres of Terror and they are spheres of Terror horrible Terror they had no money it was a big story and you know it you covered it very well actually they had no [ __ ] for Terror they were broke now they're a now what they're doing is they're spreading that money around from New York happening with the htis and Yemen what's going on in the Middle East this would have never happened I will get that settled and fast and I'll get the war with Ukraine and Russia ended if I'm President elect I'll get it done before even becoming president vice says you hate isra he hands right now absolutely not true I have my entire career and life supported Israel and the Israeli people he knows that she just lost he's trying to again Divide from the reality which is it is very very well known that Donald Trump is weak and wrong on National Security and foreign policy it is well known that he admires dictator wants to be a dictator on day one according to himself it is well known that he said of Putin he's weak dictator he can do whatever the hell he wants and go into Ukraine just now he well known that he said when Russia went into Ukraine it was brilliant it is well known he exchanged love letters with Kim Jong-un and it is absolutely welln that these dictators and autocrats are rooting for you to be president again because they're so clear they can manipulate you and favors and that is why so many military leaders who you have worked with have told me you are a disgrace that is why we understand is not consistently weak and wrong on National Security including the importance of upholding and respecting in highest regard our military vice president Harris thank you they're the ones and she's the one that caus it that's weak on National Security by allowing Every Nation last month for the year 168 different countries sending people into our country their crime weights are way down Putin endorsed her he's really big on the he I there's no unfor the leaders of other countries think that they're weak and incompetent and they are they're grossly incompetent and I just ask one question why does Biden go in and kill the Keystone Pipeline and approve the single biggest deal that Russia's ever made nordstream 2 the biggest pipeline anywhere in the world going to Germany and all over Europe because there weak and they're ineffective and Biden by the way get paid a lot of money thank you we have a lot of issues to get to we'll be right back with much more of thist oh my God thank oh God okay m the m i don't give a [ __ ] um wow okay I'm going to use my uh privilege as the host of Tonight to say this is amazing content first of all I think that uh Trump is really pushing the Border narrative he is very much doubling down border border border right I think that's his motto here I think every question he tie tries to tie to the Border however I think and my Republican colleagues my conservative colleagues might disagree with me but I think he's doing such in such an unhinged way that they're coming to eat our dogs right is not going to land with voters it's not going to land with the audience I think it's a loser um uh rhetorically but we'll have to see I think it'll play to the crazies and I've boosted this and I ask my dear viewers I put a tweet out asking Lex fredman who sometimes watches my show if he thinks when Trump mentioned on his podcast that he lost and Trump mentioned he lost by a whisker that's his words in his debate tonight he has said that that was sarcastic I'm very curious if Lex fredman agrees with that assessment or if he took him at his word at face value so boost that if you can on Twitter I don't usually ask for Twitter boost but I'm asking now if you're watching this if you are subscribed to my Twitter uh do it but quickly concisely let's go to um black hod first and then we'll go around uh skip me skip you okay um somebody else first do house go yeah no absolutely so I think one thing that I've noticed being mentioned time and time and time again I think this was done on purpose by the K Harris campaign is they are mentioning the American people American people American people American people I think that's it's intentional um I think that she is stuck very precisely to uh the policies that will affect the American people uh she has been very coherent very straightfor Donald Trump has been all over the place he's not been very uh coordinated however depending on how you're reading that you could say that he's being authentic whereas kamala's Kam Harris is being rehearsed so okay uh next SEL quick um I think that Trump was really floundering at the very beginning of the debate he picked it up a little bit in the middle of where we're at right now and at the end he started going off about eating dogs and [ __ ] and I think that um I think some's getting to him because he's starting to interrupt a lot more um so we'll have to see if he calms down after this I think that there's a couple of questions that neither of them would answer that is kind of disappointing but yeah Gibbs please uh yeah you know I heard some people talking about how tired Trump might look compared to Kamala he's definitely not getting the Biden treatment he's coming out there he's attacking he's swinging for the fences whether you think they're Landing or not um yeah I mean he's doing what I hoped he needs to keep hammering the border and hammering how bad she is on foreign policy um I don't know I don't really feel like her attacks are landing as much and Trump's doing what I hoped Okay Tyler please oh man I think that based on the two criteria that I gave I don't think Trump's blowing it a couple of his comments were a little out there the dogs one's probably going to be clipped and passed around to show a little bit how crazy he yes he did Trail off a little bit on hinge uh once or twice otherwise he's pretty disciplined he's 80 90% on message and he's really sticking it hard to the Border because this is the most the Border has ever been an issue outside of Republican politics so of course he's going to this is his signature policy uh Harris is doing a decent job defining herself she hasn't given me much more detailed and what she's already been giving for the last few weeks though so it leaves a lot open for Trump to keep trying to Define her and you see him taking the chances to with her old policies let's see if it works we'll see the after ping black to do you want to jump in yeah I I think the moderators here are um super biased I think they're biased and I think that that's becoming going to become the new angle of attack here there's not really yeah the dog soundbite is bad I think that there's going to be plenty of sound bites that the Trump's Trump campaign is going to be able to use you know I think that overall she is probably doing slightly better even though I don't think it's a complete disaster and just to back up my belief uh poly market now has them both tied Trump's dropped three% roughly since the debate started and then she's gained 3% so they're tied question yeah he's only been fact checked like one or two times right he's been fact checked four times she hasn't been fact once blatantly lying like to to be fair to the moderators Trump keeps interrupting the moderators when they try it even even when it hasn't been that like it's not even just the the the not fact checking her it's also like he'll be why don't you ask her this and okay that's that's a good question why don't you ask and then they won't ask that's like happened at least twice on like several times well can you ask me this what has frustrated me about Kamala if I may real quick right Camala refused to answer a question that was uh uh about abortion right like there was an abortion question which uh she was asked hey will you um I forget the exact question I wish I wrot it down support it up to Trump had to ask that they didn't even ask that Trump had to ask that and they refused to hold to the fire on it yeah that's though also he also refed to question about the national two also do into this conflict Mr President it has been the position of the Biden Administration that we must defend Ukraine from Russia from Vladimir Putin to defend their sovereignty their democracy that it's in America's best interest to do so arguing that if Putin wins he may be embolden to move even further into other countries you have said you would solve this war in 24 hours you said so just before the break tonight how exactly would you do that and I want to ask you a very simple question tonight do you want Ukraine to win this War I want the war to stop I want to save lives that are being uselessly people being killed by the millions it's the millions it's so much worse than the numbers that you're getting which are fake numbers look we're in for 250 billion or more because they don't ask Europe which is a much bigger beneficiary to getting this thing done than we are they're in for $150 billion do less because Biden and you don't have the courage to ask Europe like I did with NATO they paid billions and billions hundreds of billions of dollars when I said either you pay up or we're not going to protect you anymore so that's maybe one of the reasons they don't like me as much as they like weak people but you take a look at what's happening we're in 250 to 275 billion they're into 100 to they should be forced to equalize with that being said I want to get the War settled I know zalinsky very well and I know Putin very well I have a good relationship and they respect your president okay they respect me they don't respect bid how would you respect him why for what reason he hasn't even made a phone call in two years to Putin hasn't spoken to anybody they don't even try and get it that is a war that's dying to be settled I will get it settled before I even become president if I win when I'm President elect and what I'll do is I'll speak to one I'll speak to the other I'll get them together that war would have never happened and in fact when I saw Putin after I left unfortunately left because our our country has gone to hell but after I left when I saw him building up soldiers he did it after I left I said oh he must be negotiating it must be a good strong point of negotiation well it wasn't because Biden had no idea how to talk to him he had no idea how to stop it and now you have millions of people dead and it's only getting worse and it could lead to World War II don't kid yourself David we're playing with World War II and we have a president that we don't even know if he's where is our president we don't even know if he's a president just to clarify they threw him out of a campaign like a dog we don't even know is he our president president but we have a president that doesn't know he's alive your time is up I told you guys the Republicans would be seal clapping along with the most [ __ ] [ __ ] that he says for Ukraine to win this war where to get this war finished and vacation for 3 weeks because we have to stop all of these human lives from being destroyed I want to take this to vice president Harris I want to get your thoughts on support for Ukraine in this moment but also as Commander elected how would you deal with Vladimir Putin and would it be any different from what we're seeing from President Biden well first of all it's important to remind the former president you're not running against Joe Biden you're running against me I believe the reason that Donald Trump says that this war would be over within 24 hours is because he would just give it up and that's not who we are as Americans let's understand what happened here um I actually met with zalinski a few days before Russia invaded tried through Force to change territorial boundaries to defy one of the most important International rules and Norms which is the importance of sovereignty and territorial integrity and I met with President zansky I shared with him American intelligence about how he could defend himself days later I went to NATO's Eastern flank to Poland and Romania and through the work that I and others did we brought 50 countries together to support Ukraine in its righteous defense defense and because because of our support because of the air defense the ammunition the artillery the javins the Abrams tanks that we have provided Ukraine stands as an independent and free country if Donald Trump were President Putin would be sitting in keev right now and understand what that would mean because Putin's agenda is not just about Ukraine understand why the European allies and our NATO allies are so thankful ful that you are no longer president and that we understand the importance of the greatest military Alliance the world has ever known which is NATO and what we have done to preserve the ability of zalinsky and the ukrainians to fight for their independence otherwise Putin would be sitting in keev with his eyes on the rest of Europe starting with Poland and why don't you tell the 800,000 polish Americans right here in Pennsylvania how quickly you would give up for the sake of and what you think is a friendship with what is known to be a dictator who would eat you for lunch vice president Harris thank you we've heard from both of you on Ukraine tonight hour I I wanted her to respond to something you said earlier and please I'll I'll give you a minute here Putin would be sitting in Moscow and he wouldn't have lost 300,000 men and women but he would have been sitting in my Scout quiet please he would have been sitting in Moscow much happier than he is right now got a little snappier the second you know he's got a thing that other people don't have he's got nuclear weapons they don't ever talk about that he got nuclear weapons nobody ever thinks about that and eventually uh maybe he'll use him and maybe he hasn't been that threatening but he does have that something we don't even like to talk about nobody likes to talk about it but just so you understand they sent her to negotiate peace before this War started three days later he went in and he started the war because everything they said was weak and stupid they said the wrong things that war should have never started she was the Emissary they sent her in to negotiate with zalinski and Putin and she did and the war started three days later and that's the kind of talent we have with her she's worse than in my opinion I think he's the worst president in the history of our country she goes down as the worst vice president in the of our country but let me tell you something she is a horrible negotiator they sent her in to negotiate as soon as they left Putin did The Invasion president Trump thank you you did bring up something you said she went to negotiate with Vladimir Putin vice president Harris have you ever met Vladimir Putin can you clarified tonight yet again I said it at the beginning of this debate you're going to hear a bunch of Lies coming from this fellow and that is another one when I went to meet with President zeni I've now met with him over five times the reality is it has been about standing as America always should as a leader upholding International rules and Norms as a leader who shows strength understanding that the alliances we have around the world are dependent on our ability to look out for our friends and not favor our enemies because you adore strong men instead of caring about democracy and that is very much what is at stake here here the president of the United States is commanderin-chief and the American people have a right to rely on a president who understands the significance of America's role and responsibility in terms of ensuring that there is stability and ensuring we stand up for our principles and not sell them for the for the benefit of personal flattery we've talked about Ukraine and Vladimir Putin I do want to talk about Afghanistan it came up in in the first hour of this debate here we go bab I I wanted to move on to Afghanistan Stenberg said Trump did the most amazing thing I've ever seen he got these countries 28 countries at the time to pay up he said I've never seen he's the head of NATO he said I've never seen for years we were paying all Nat we were being ripped off by European nations both on trade and on NATO I got them to pay up by saying one of the statements you made before if you don't pay we're not going to protect you we would have never gotten it he said it was one of the most incredible jobs that he's ever I want to turn to Afghanistan it came up in the first hour of the debate and we witnessed a a poignant moment today on Capitol Hill honoring the soldiers who died in the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan I do want to ask the uh do you believe you bear any responsibility in the way that withdrawal played out well I will tell you I agreed with President Biden's decision to pull out of Afghanistan four presidents said they would and Joe Biden did and as a result America's taxpayers are not paying the $300 million a day we were paying for that endless war and as of today there is not one member of the United States military who is in active duty in a combat zone in any war zone around the world the first time this Century but let's understand how we got to where we are Donald Trump when he was president negotiated one of the weakest deals you can imagine he calls himself a deal maker even his National Security advisor said it was a weak terrible deal and here's how it went down he bypassed the Afghan government he negotiated directly with a terrorist organization called the Taliban the negotiation involved the Taliban getting 5,000 terrorist Taliban terrorists released and get this no get this and the president at the time invited the Taliban to camp David a place of star significance for us as Americans a place where we honor the importance of American diplomacy where we invite and receive respected world leaders and this say what you me say with your CH as president invited them I heard a theid because he did not again appreciate the role responsibility of the president of the United States to be commander-in-chief with a level of respect and this gets back to the point of how he and members of our military fallen soldiers and the work that we must do to uphold the strength and the respect of the United States of America around the world vice president Harris thank you president Trump your response to her saying that you began the negotiations the Taliban so if you take a look at that period of time the Taliban was killing our soldiers a lot of them with snipers and I got involved with the Taliban a lot of because the Taliban was doing killing snipers I got involved with the Taliban because the Taliban was killing that's what he just said but I Biden's doing 911 Trump's getting involved with Taliban wow what's happen Taliban he is still the head of the Taliban and I told Abdul don't do it anymore you do it anymore you're going to have problems and he said why do you send me picture of my house I said you're going to have to figure that out Abdul and for 18 months we had nobody killed we did have an agreement negotiated by Mike Pompeo was I that negotiating it was good it was we were getting out we would have been out faster than them but we wouldn't have lost the soldiers we wouldn't have left many Americans behind and we wouldn't have left we wouldn't have left $85 billion worth of brand new beautiful military equipment just to finish they blew it the agreement said you have to do this this this this this and they didn't do it they didn't do it the agreement was was terminated by us because they didn't do what they were supposed to do and these people did the worst withdrawal and in my opinion the most embarrassing moment in the history by the way that's why Russia attacked Ukraine because they saw how incompetent she and her boss are President Trump thank you I want to move on now to race and politics in this country Mr President you recently said a vice president Harris quote I didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black and now she wants to be known as black why is B picture question here tonight question why do you believe appropriate to lay in on the racial identity of your opponent I don't and I don't care I don't care what she is I don't care uh you make a big deal out of something I couldn't care less whatever she wants to be is okay with me but those were your words so I'm I don't know I don't know I mean all I can say is I read where she was not black that she put out oh no she's doing it again [ __ ] again and then I read that she was black and that's okay either one was okay with me that's up to her that's up to her vice president Harris your thoughts on this I think it's I mean honestly I think it's a a tragedy that we have um someone who wants to be president who has consistently over the course of his career attempted to use race to divide the American people you know I do believe that the vast majority of us know that we have so much more in common than what separates us and we don't want this kind of approach that is just constantly trying to divide us and especially by race and let's remember how Donald Trump started he was a a a a land he owned land he owned buildings and he he was investiga because he refused to rent property to black families let's remember this is the same individual who took out a full page ad in the New York Times calling for the execution of five young black and Latino boys who were innocent the Central Park 5 not true she was trying to come that name calling for their execution this is the same individual who spread birth their lies about the first black president of the United States and I think the American people want better than that want better than this want someone who understands as I do I travel our country we see in each other a friend we see in each other a neighbor we don't want a leader who is constantly trying to have Americans Point their fingers at each other I meet with people all the time who tell me can we please just have discourse about how we're going to invest in the aspirations and the Ambitions and the dreams of the American people knowing that regardless of people's color or the language their grandmother speaks we all have the same dreams and aspirations and Want a President Who invests in those not in hate and division vice president Harris thank you Lindsay president Trump this is now your third time this is the most divisive presidency they giving him so much in the history of our country there's never been anything like it he's not interrupting her though like at all and they come up with things like what she just said going back many many years when a lot of people including May Bloomberg agreed with me on the Central Park 5 they admitted they said they pleed guilty and I said well if they pled guilty they'd badly hurt a person killed a person ultimately and if they pled guilty then they pled we're not guilty but this is a person that has to stretch back years 40 50 years ago way Dr because it's nothing now I built one of the greatest economies in the history of the world and I'm going to build it again it's going to be bigger better and stronger but they're destroying our economy they have no idea what a good economy is their oil policies every single policy and remember this cut his immigration she is Biden you know she's trying to get away from Biden I don't know the gentleman she says she is Biden the worst inflation we've ever had a horrible economy because inflation has made it briefly see they got her mik clearly I am not Joe Biden and I am certainly not Donald Trump and what I do offer is a new generation of leadership for our country one who believes in what is possible one who brings a sense of optimism about what we can do instead of always disparaging the American people I believe in what we can do to strengthen our small businesses which is why I have a plan let's talk about our plans and and let's compare the plans I have a plan to give startup businesses $50,000 tax deduction ask why they're not do it now their Ambitions their Innovation their ideas they're hard work I have a plan $6,000 for young families for the first year of your child's life to help you in that most critical stage of your child's development I have a plan that is about allowing people to be able to pursue has been fleeting in terms of the American dream she's just not talking about policy at all feel like he should say you have a plan I have results that's the kind of conversation I believe David that people really want tonight as opposed to a conversation that is constantly about belittling and name calling let's turn the page vient haris thank you let's turn to Poli let's to move on President Trump let's turn to policy please has a plan to defund the police get to the next question dude everybody's gun in Pennsylvania or anywhere else St the fact what they're taking from us forent has he's speaking to us right now we're going to move on vient President Trump this is now your third time running for president long vowed to repeal and replace the affordable bias mods as Obamacare you have failed to accomplish that you now say you're going to keep Obamacare quote on that one much better last maybe Trump just says uh more [ __ ] and fake [ __ ] oh I got a few things written down got really and can you tell us what it is Obamacare was lousy healthare always was it's not very good today and what I said that if we come up with something and we are working on things we're going to do it and we're going to replace it but remember this I inherited Obamacare because Democrats wouldn't change it they wouldn't vote for it they were unanimous they wouldn't vote to change it if they would have done that we would have had a much better plan than Obamacare but the Democrats they wouldn't vote for it I had a choice to make when I was President do I save it and make it nothing to replace it you or do I let it rot and I felt I had an obligation even though politically it would have been good to just let it rot and let it go away I decided and I told my people the top people and they're very good people I have a lot of good people in this that Administration all decided that they didn't want to you who do they they have really bad ones the differen is they don't get rid of them but let me just explain I had a choice to make do I save it and make it as good as it can be or do I let it rot and I saved it I did the right thing but it's still never going to be great and it's too expensive for people and what we will do is we're looking at different plans if we can come up with a plan that's going to cost our people our population less money and be better health care than Obamacare then I would absolutely do it but until then I'd run it as good as it can be run so just a yester you still do not have a plan I have concepts of a plan I'm not president right now concepts of a plan we come up with something I would only change it if we come up with something that's better and less expensive and there are Concepts and options we we have to do that and you'll be hearing about it in the not too distant future vice president Harris in 2017 you supported Bernie Sanders proposal to do away with private insurance and create a government-run Healthcare System two years later you proposed a plan that included a private insurance option what is your plan today well first of all I absolutely support and over the last four years as vice president private healthcare options but what we need to do is maintain and grow the Affordable Care Act but I I I'll get to that Lindsay I just need to respond to a previous point that the former president has made I've made very clear my position on fracking and then this business about taking everyone's guns away Tim Walls and I are both gun owners we're not taking anybody's guns away so stop with the continuous oh yeah as it relates to the Affordable Care Act understand just look at the history to know where people stand when Donald Trump was President 60 times he tried to get rid of the Affordable Care Act 60 times I was a Senator at the time when I will never forget the early morning hours when it was up for a vote in the United States Senate and the late great John McCain who you have disparaged as being don't like him you said at the time because he got caught he was an American hero the late great John McCain I will never forget that night walked onto the senate floor and said no you don't no you don't no you don't get rid of the Affordable Care Act you have no plan and what the Affordable Care Act has done is eliminate the ability of insurance companies to deny people with pre-existing conditions I don't have to tell the people watching tonight you remember what that was like remember when an insurance company could deny if a child had asthma if someone was a breast cancer survivor if a if a grandparent had diabetes and thankfully as I've been vice president and we over the last four years have strengthened the Affordable Care Act we have allowed for the first time Medicare to negotiate drug prices on behalf of you the American people Donald Trump said he was going to allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices he never did we did and now we have capped the cost of insulin at 30 $ 5 a month since I've been Vice President we have capped the cost of prescription medication for seniors at $2,000 a year and when I am President we will do that for all people understanding that the value I bring to this is that access to health care should be a right and not just a privilege of those who can afford it and the plan has to be to strengthen the Affordable Care Act not get rid of it pass PR in terms of where Donald Trump stands on that want to move to an issue that's important for a lot made a mistake at number one joh fought Obamacare for 10 years but it wasn't only him it were all of the Democrats that kept it going and you know what we can do much better than Obamacare much less money but she won't improve private insurance for people private medical insurance that's another thing she does people are paying privately for insurance that have worked hard and made money and they want to have private she wants everybody to be on government insurance where you wait 6 months for an operation that you need immediately Trump thank you we have another issue that we'd like to get to that's important for a number of Americans in particular younger voters and that's climate change president Trump with regard to the environment you say that we have to have clean air and clean water vice president Harris you call climate change an existential threat the question to you both tonight is what would you do to fight climate change and vice president Harris will start with you one minute for you each well the former president had said the climate change is a hoax and what we know is that it is very real you ask anyone who lives in a state who has experienced these extreme weather occurrences who now is either being denied home insurance or it's being jacked up you ask anybody who has been um the victim of what that means in terms of losing their home having nowhere to go we know that we can actually deal with this issue the young people of America car deeply about this issue and I am proud that as vice president over the last four years we have invested a trillion dollars in a clean energy economy while we have also increased domestic gas production to Historic levels we have created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs while I have been Vice President we have invested in clean energy to the point that we are opening up factories around the world Donald Trump said he was going to create manufacturing jobs he lost man manufacturing jobs and I'm also proud to have the endorsement of the United Auto Workers and Shan feain who also know that part of building a clean energy economy includes investing in American made products American automobiles it includes growing what we can do around American manufacturing and opening up Auto plants not closing them like happened under Donald Trump president Harris thank you that didn't happen under Donald Trump let me just tell you they lost 10,000 manufacturing jobs this last month it's going they're all leaving uh they're building big Auto plants in Mexico in many cases owned by China they're building these massive plants and they think they're going to sell their cars into the United States because of these people what they have given to China is unbelievable but we're not going to let that we'll put tariffs on those cars so they can't come into our country because they will kill United aut workers any a whether it's effectively attack not actually other place what they've done to business manuring if you don't buy the product it doesn't affect you hor we have nothing because they they refuse you know Biden doesn't go after people because supposedly China paid a millions of dollars he's a I think he's definitely look a lot stronger the foreign policy they get all this money from Ukraine they get all this money from all of these different countries and then you wonder why is he so loyal to this one that one Ukraine China why is he why did he get get $3.5 million from the mayor of moscow's wife why did he get why did she pay him $3.5 million this is a crooked Administration and they're selling our country down the tubes president Trump thank you thank you we'll be right back with closing statements from both of our candidates in historic night this ABC News president care the philadel back um again point of privilege ah the this was a terrible segment overall for Trump there was a couple missed opportunities in comm's end right but this I being asked what's your plan and saying well I have the concepts of a plan is laughable it's a laughable answer it was perhaps of all the things he said tonight the most ludicrous and again right he she keeps he keeps making these in yeah there's no other word for it insane statements I'm K is going to take all your guns K is going to bring in the people to eat your dogs KLA is going to is a Marxist right these are we just have to say it Insanity it's Insanity so real quick on the first point if you look at what he was saying before he said that I have concepts of a plan what he said was we don't have anything better right now but if something comes up that is better than Obamacare I would take it but as of right now I'm just going to run it the best way I could I could have let it rot from the inside out but I have a responsibility to the American people so instead we're going to run Obamacare better than the Democrats could that was essentially what he said if a better plan comes I'll change to it as of right now such a weak answer dude it is it is a weak answer but it does provide a little context and what was the second point you uh uh she's gonna KLA is bringing in people to eat your dogs and KLA is a marus oh and K's gonna take your guns all your guns take the gun look I get going to take the guns she yeah I you can understand are banned that is not taking all your guns you understand guns guns that's not what he said he said K's going to confiscate all your weapons yeah g okay he say weapons he did say guns right K is going to take all your guns means she's going to he's going like this is what he does all your guns or did you say guns it's a styck we all know it so the first they start with the AR next they come for the next thing next they come so that's what he say it's like it's already on the website you going to start with this that gets through we're coming for more like the assault weapons ban would have banned all semi-automatic weapons that went through Congress okay hold on I I can provide like a clear fact on this because I've looked in the assault wom band since 2019 okay literally I've been checking into this since I started politics basically assault ens ban is what com uh kamla Harris supports uh and that's why when she started to go into it I was like please don't go into this this is not a winning issue do not go into it um because what it does it is it essentially bans all AR15s however it bans them from being purchased any AR-15 that has been in uh place since before that bill goes into a place would not be confiscated she co-sponsored it she co-sponsor to ban semi-automatic weapons all of them includ yeah but again if you own an AR-15 or not an AR15 I'm sorry if you own an assault rifle right and the band goes through they're not going to take it like look I'm against an assault rifle band to be clear no I just want to be clear I'm against an ass rifle ban I think that's a bad policy but this idea that they're going to confiscate your weapon is come on Preposterous to say that like thing she endorsed and co-sponsored while she was in Congress are her actual stances because like these are things she actually endorsed and like you act like it's like not like common for you to start with one thing and then you start doing more and more Draconian things after that like this is clearly Co lockdowns and the I mean I would I would agree with the co lockdowns I would listen yeah I would agree they said that they were going to keep on keep you know it's a test or something you know what I'm just saying like like people are like like bashing some of the every single time someone says the government's just going to keep on and keep on and keep on it never [ __ ] happens but you guys keep on more going to happen you know it doesn't happen till it does happen and that's the problem right you never know when it's going to go like Ian s like but it's it's like a slippery slope you know I mean I would be complaining ifo was saying Trump is a this something that happen I mean to me also on the flip side I think he's he's dominated her foreign policy she's been not look good on foreign policy that's definitely surpris something I think he's like surprisingly looked a lot stronger than I thought he was going to look on and he's tied it all back to the Border very well so he's made foreign policy a domestic issue because most people don't not like vote on foreign policy to the's eom so I think he's some you think that fix everything with one phone call [ __ ] forign policy is good like you're actually [ __ ] [ __ ] but okay let's hear the closing statements y Donald Trump from when it ends please join us for now of tonight's key moments team break as we going to analy we go back to the debate and cl statements live from the national Constitution Center in Philadelphia Pennsylvania Here Again David mure and Lindsey Davis welcome back tonight the time has come for closing statements and vice president Harris we begin with you so I think you've heard tonight two very different Visions for our country one that is focused on the future and the other that is focused on the past and an attempt to take us backward but we're not going back and I do believe that the American people know we all have so much more in common than what separates us and we can chart a new way forward and a vision of that includes having a plan understanding the aspirations the dreams the hopes the ambition of the American people which is why I intend to create an opportunity economy investing in small businesses in new families and what we can do around protecting seniors what we can do that is about giving hardworking folks a break and bringing down the cost of living I believe in what we can do together that is about sustaining America standing in the world and ensuring that we have the respect that we so rightly deserve including in respecting our military and ensuring we have the most lethal fighting force in the world I will be a president that will protect our fundamental rights and freedoms including the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government tell her what to do I'll tell you I started my career as a prosecutor I was a DA I was an attorney general a United States Senator and now Vice President I've only had one client the people and I'll tell you as a prosecutor I never asked a victim or a witness are you a Republican or a Democrat the only thing I ever asked them are you okay and that's the kind of President we need right now someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first I intend to be a president for all Americans and focus on what we can do over the next 10 and 20 years to build back up our country by investing right now in you the American people vice president Harris thank you president Trump good so she just started by saying she's going to do this she's going to do that she's going to do all these wonderful things why hasn't she done it she's been there for three and A2 years they've had three and A2 years to fix the Border they've had three and a half years to create jobs and all the things we talked about why hasn't she done it she should leave right now go down to that beautiful white house go to the capital get everyone together and do the things you want to do but you haven't done it and you won't do it because you believe in things that the American people don't believe in you believe in things like we're not going to Frack we're not going to take fossil fuel we're not going to do things that are going to make this country strong whether you like it or not Germany tried that and within one year they were back to building normal energy plants we're not ready for it we can't sacrifice our country for the sake of bad Vision but I just ask one simple question why didn't she do it we're a failing Nation We're a nation that's in serious decline we're being laughed at all over the world all over the world they're laugh I know the leaders very well they're coming to see me they call me we're laughed at all over the world they don't understand what happened to us as a nation we're not a leader we don't have any idea what's going on we have wars going on in the Middle East we have wars going on I'm pretty sure in a third world be a war like other because of nuclear weapons the power of Weaponry I rebuilt our entire military she gave a lot of it away to the Taliban she gave it to Afghanistan what these people have done to our country and maybe toughest of all is allowing millions of people to come into our country many of them are criminals and they're destroying our country the worst president the worst vice president in the history of our country president Trump thank you and that is our ABC News presidential debate here in Philadelphia at the national care this we're gonna close this stream yeah I have so many things I want to say yes we all do I I took notes as well uh I got I got a whole note P full of notes right um it's it's crazy but before we get into that I just wanted to remind people if you've watched this content and you haven't liked the stream why not that seems like something a Marxist Putin lover would do like that stream right subscribe to the channel um this is going to be semiopen I do want to give all the people here a chance to have their say a little bit but as we go we will be bringing people on throughout the night if I know you we had a a little Kur fuffle a little incident with unknowns recently coming in and uh doing naughty things and so I'm going to vet a little bit of the collar tonight unfortunately and I'm sad I have to do that but this what we have to do um so yeah so first of all before we get into uh initial reactions I did get a a wonderful Super Chat um a few of them uh one for $100 from audacity to say Can You Feel My Love rising from the heat above the only way to make sure America Heat is a forced Union between Kamala and Trump live stream 24/7 on MTV brought to you by 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the the closing statement was a good point like opportunity and like the housing I like her housing policy I like her small business policy she sounds like a moderate like neocon neoliberal she basically came out as a conservative tonight on a lot of things but she sounds moderately good on those issues it's just I didn't get any detail I want more I want more of what she's gonna do she never said what she's gonna do to fix the border the the reporter asked her a squish question that basically said immigration was up for the first three years but as we know now it's down about 75% you're doing a great job you want to comment on that or did I take care of it for you it's like it was pretty [ __ ] crazy how the moderator kind of gave her that softball but went after Trump but otherwise I think she did a really solid Republican expectations completely blew him out of the water she had a couple moments where she stammered and stuttered probably didn't nail home her points as good as she should there were a few missed opportunities where it l like she was building up to a good insult and then just fumbled the ball but other than that I think she did very [ __ ] good and in a perfect world I could easily see myself voting for her uh Trump I don't think really said anything Preposterous enough that he made people think any differently of him than they did going into this okay uh thank you for that um Gibbs uh yeah so first yeah first note I have is that I thought the bias was pretty egregiously obvious one caveat to that they did let Trump talk like I will say that like they didn't cut him off they def let him answer and rebuttal uh surprisingly Trump wasn't really like butting in very often I think somebody must have coached him up so I was kind of impressed that like he would he would yell at the moderator but he wouldn't like interrupt her it didn't seem like also I I don't know if what I would do if I was on a presidential debate maybe this is why I'll never run for president among many many other reasons but uh if someone shushed me on a presidential stage I I think I would probably have lost my lost my [ __ ] I like I I don't know I shush quiet I probably would lose it I'm just saying um when did that happen yeah he told her quietly like middle one of there was two times that he used that the second time it was more like 2015 Republican debate anyway excuse me it was pretty it was pretty bad I thought she looked nervous but then she hit her stride really going into it uh some of the good ones I thought was the Trump sales tax she had going um I I didn't I did I did wonder about why they they didn't ever fact check the project 2025 thing she he did exactly what I hoped he would do and hammered the Border repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly repeatedly uh I think that's something um you know and then y'all kept saying the insane thing well here's what's interesting to me is like I've been like watching a lot of my Norm people on the feed and they're all like re sharing this like this is exactly what we've been saying this exactly so it's almost like he's like there's like people that he's saying what they've been thinking and it's just like they like I don't know whether it's a good or bad thing or if it's like saying he's only pandering to certain groups but I it's not like it's just in a like a vacuum there are definitely people that are thinking what he's saying out loud and they're like finally somebody that's saying this uh yeah the gun stuff I wish they had gone into more and uh I don't know the I think the biggest thing I think he did that was a really good thing was waiting till the end like after she didn't and so she didn't have a chance to rebuttal was sitting well you've been here three and a half years why didn't you do anything any it on that note was a really high note for him I think they ended on and her not being able to answer that that's uh I think that was good strategy on his part yeah cuz he she couldn't well fair enough yeah like it was literally the the closing statement but fair um black toid please yeah so my general analysis here is I think Harris did generally fine uh I think she did do better than Trump uh which I predicted before this debate uh poly Market more or less reflects this uh he's uh they're tied now but beforehand he was up on her 3% uh so he's dropped 3% and she's gained 3% um so that's that's significant right that that is a significant reflection of of kind of how the betting markets uh can taken this and I do think that we're going to see projections reflect this over the next coming weeks I don't think it was an absolute catastrophe though uh I think this is this is not like Biden's obliteration in the last debate and keep in mind a lot of the people that are going to be saying that Comma just crushed him are the same people who are saying ah Biden did pretty good last time which you know we were saying no uh he didn't do well and we turned out to be correct on this um but you as one of the people who was correct on this uh you know take it take my word on this uh Harris did I think overall win this debate um but it wasn't a complete catastrophe um I think both sides did Dodge questions at times uh Trump did his normal thing of kind of going over the same points over and over again uh he was more energetic I thought than in the Biden debate which I think did do him some favors but obviously his opponent was tougher uh the dogs point was a bad point but it was also sort of hilarious and so I don't know how well that particular point is going to work like politically for KLA because they're going to show that and then people are just going to laugh and remember Trump um the moderators were absolutely biased um and this is I think how conservatives will cope with the fact that kamla did win this debate um I think even the moderators weren't biased kamalo would still probably have done uh you know edged it but uh the the moderators were biased right we saw constant fact checking on Trump but KLA wasn't fact checked at all very fine people comment which we I've debated on Wicks multiple times which was admitted by Snopes to be a lie which the people who I've debated on this told me that yes it was a lie and apologized to me for uh saying that I was a liar by pointing out that it was a lie uh that wasn't questioned at all at any point during the debate project 2025 uh the lies there weren't question at all the fact checks against Trump are also somewhat questionable like the FBI one Trump actually does have a point that the recent FBI crime statistics are omitting some data and uh you know it's not exactly clear I mean yes the statement of the FBI is that crime is overall down but it's not exactly clear um when you factor in you know the missing data if that is the case um also it did quote it didn't sound like sarcasm I don't think that's a proper fact check uh if the moderator believes that it doesn't sound like sarcasm um seemed pretty ridiculous her policies were not dug into Trump actually had to ask the ninth month abortion question he did Dodge the abortion question as well and then she dodged it but the moderators didn't do anywhere near the same level of grilling on her they asked him the same question three times over and he didn't answer it uh he had to bring up the ninth month abortion question which by the way his vice president did sign a law that allowed abortion into the ninth month but this wasn't gone into at all um she looks like a reptile a little bit when she smiles I don't know if you guys see it I saw this multiple times hold that's a that's a let him finish but that's a left turn from the analysis so far I'm just I'm just going over my notes right because I noticed this multiple times like she she'll she did this thing especially she did this espe her eyes blink like sideways instead of up and down or something they could have they could have like I noticed it multiple times it was especially apparent when Trump said that I'm talking bit and she did this weird smile and she arched her neck back and she smiled and she looked down and she looked just like like like a lizard it was very unnerving I was convinced after STIs so you know maybe if she's on the other side I wouldn't be too surprised uh she she did look very very uh lizard likee but the last thing I'm G to say real quick uh you know Hassan was brought up and Hassan says something in Twitter that I actually think is kind of a good point uh he said quote the immigration Panic narratives make Trump sound insane but the fact that the Dems aren't countering even a little bit of this narrative is genuinely alarming um Trump kept going back to immigration because that's his point that's what he does and yes it was obnoxious at times and it was tired at times but did anybody actually hear a substantive rebuttal did anybody like was was there anything that was presented on one of the most pressing pressing political issues of the day whatsoever from Kamala I can't think of a single thing the moderator and the moderators didn't even like really push her too much on that she said that she said that her policy would be the one that Donald Trump shut down when she was hitting on that point that's how she led into she defaulted the legislation bipartisan Bill btis defaulted the legislation what's the DHS going to do what's the executive branch gon to do did she talk about that at all or did she just that's how the topic that when the topic brought up that's how she opened with it that I uh I supported and wanted a bipartisan bill that would and I would bring back that bill if uh if uh put my desk I would sign it you know like she that's how she let into it so she did answer that question I'll have to go back and re rewatch that point it didn't really didn't sound like a solid answer I thought she deflected by talking about his rally sizes right that's what I thought it was no that was later on a little bit yeah that [ __ ] was a little bit funny oh is that it LO uh yeah that's it thanks s please um I think that it wasn't a total disaster for Trump but I think that he did a couple of things that are going to get memed into Oblivion um I think that that's probably not something that's going to look good for him uh with the the eating of the dogs and [ __ ] I I I just don't know why if that was something that he decided to do just right then or if for some reason like he has babies as his [ __ ] like debate handlers and they told him definitely talk about eating the dogs I don't know whose decision it was but it was [ __ ] crazy to do that um so that's a that's a massive L right there um I think Trump at times when he started getting more combative um sometimes it seemed a little bit Justified but the more he did it the more it felt like he was being a little bit of a [ __ ] um listen I'm a little high I'm just going to say it like it is he he acted like a little bit of a [ __ ] up there sometimes when he kept on interrupting constantly um the moderator should have reeled that in um and I also think that they should have pressed the uh the two of them on those couple of um uh questions that y talked about as well yeah um but uh yeah other than that I think that comma came out on top um probably like I I for expectations going in I would say she probably performed about like a 7.5 two and eight if I'm being super generous Trump was at like he wasn't at Trump 10 man he wasn't at Trump 10 he was like at Trump 4.5 75 sounds about right okay yeah anything else from asons no no no no no 4.75 okay you just riding 4.75 the wave okay I think S I think s's out of brother I'm high okay yeah no I get you I get you I give him 6.2 out of 83 there you go what what do you what do you got for us uh the dock House show please man let me tell you what so first of all let the record reflect that I was correct that he was going to continuously uh go back to the immigration issue hold on one second uh okay uh well well while he's gone um let me just give my thoughts sorry my dog was whining and I like okay he's back he's back go ahead I'm sorry so yeah she was uh let the record reflect that Trump was going to continuously go back to the immigration issue uh I had a feeling he was going to continue to do this the other thing that I thought was really interesting and I don't know if anybody else noticed this is that she would continuously look at the camera she wanted to speak to you and this was definitely a debate coach thing that she was like they were telling her look at the camera make sure you find it make sure you're speaking straight to the American people she continuously used that word the American people I think there was another word that she used let me get it pulled up here because I had it pulled up uh she said was opportunity economy opportunity economy was a big one she used opportunity economy a lot and so what I felt was this at the end of the debate it was down to two things I think Trump started with his debate coaching and then just slowly lost control of it um it was like a runaway train he just like I'm gonna go off script screw it I'm throwing it away and then I think that uh kamla Harris ended up taking her debate coach serious like her her debate prep extremely seriously so it's a tale of two different cities do you like the off-script kind of candid um response or do you like the scripted response the thing about Donald Trump though is is that a lot of his policies there were it was basically I'm not kamla that was something I kept picking up on and his conclusion his final response was exactly that it's like she messed up the economy she did this she did that and your kind of left okay great she did this what what are you going to do and it was nothing it was just she's messing it up she's messing up she's starting foreign war she did this it's like that's cool but I expected that because that is how Trump's campaign is operating right now it's all on mudslinging and little policy and he's got the thing about it which is crazy is he has a policy up on his website but I didn't see much of that it was very very watered down so so it depends on how you viewed this I think you take away from this that in my opinion kamla won I think she won this on policy she won this on speaking to the American people and I think she was much more composed than Donald Trump who the moderators let me just tell you let let him get away with a lot of stuff just let him go on and on and on it's like you're sitting there why are you not cutting off like what's the point of having a mic cut if you're not going to cut his mic I didn't see anybody get their mic cut except if I'm being quite Frank kamla Harris ended up felt like she got her mic cut a few times or at least it was muted and it's like so you could say that they were biased because of that one fact check but they definitely gave Trump a lot more leeway in that debate okay thank you so uh going to Echo um a few sentiments here um policy-wise uh and I I have extensive notes I can share it with the class if anyone wants to see but the the biggest thing that uh kamla did that impressed me at first was her being specific about certain policies obviously debate stage is not a place to go into Grand detail here but the 50k tax benefit for new uh businesses that's a good plan right when she talks about um her uh let's see uh the Border Bill and citing the Border Bill also specific policy a good plan you can not like these things or like these things but these are solid points unfortunately as the debate went on specifics went out the window policy went out the window right for all these things she did return to it a time or two right but Trump in uh comparison there was no policy prescribed not a single policy except for he would end the war in Israel and Ukraine um he doesn't tell us how except for he would make a phone call and it would stop other than that he did not talk about specific policies at all uh he made several claims such as um I actually won in 2020 he doubled down on that he said that what he said during The Lex fredman interview was sarcasm quote unquote um when he talked about uh our country has gone to hell um me try to overthrow the government what about all the illegal aliens was a wild deflection a wild Dodge um talking about afterbirth baby executions talking about they're e they're eating the dogs Kamala will cause World War III Kamala is a Marxist who will end our country and make it Venezuela on on steroids these are all very extreme things to say with I don't think any backing whatsoever so again um I what do you mean no backing what do you mean no backing okay uh do you thinka honestly be honest with me Gib some of that yeah I I I see her as much more likely to start World War I in my opinion D no he didn't say she's more likely to start World War II he said comma will cause World War I yeah I mean it's a conclusion that I could come to okay I I don't take that seriously I I I me I don't care if you take it seriously I like voters do either I think that you're wrong and I'm GNA tell you why I think that you're wrong I like it's it's real simple there's a large seg in the US that y'all are just dismissing and like Trump is saying these things and this is what they're thinking like they're like hey like I've been thinking this for a while you know and like now whether or not that's going to play well we'll see but there is a large group of people that like are coming to this sarcastic when he said on the Lex fredman interview that he obviously it's obviously dishonest some of the things you mentioned others are hyper that are kind of fair game but there are definitely things you said that are flat out dishonest and it should be hold on the one thing about Trump though is his he's already has his policy established right and like I know you were saying hey he didn't go into detail my thing is like we pretty much know what his policy is sure but like okay that's fair you should have mentioned it but he he definitely like we already know what his policies are prescribed I think there is a difference like we have to hold him to that yeah hold on just I don't think there's a I don't yeah we can look at what he's already done previously the wall we have agenda 47 like you know don't eat dogs yeah you're right sure but my point is it's not like like Cala where we are very like new to what her policy is and we're like guessing yeah camela whatever her name is I'm just saying Miss Harris president president-elect Harris or want to be elect Harris or whatever she's going to be who knows that person listen we don't know what her policy is like it's very like vague right you know it's nebulous we've argued about it and she's kind of put force of stuff and so we have to go off our record and which is still nebulous and so I don't I don't think that she really G like yeah she about a record like yeah she is pretty I don't know what her stance on immigration you know you know what her stances on like everything is honestly tell me voting Congress you know what off top of your head wait no you're saying that it's like you don't know I didn't say that I knew it off the top of my head but you said that it's nebulous NE you know you don't know you don't know I read her policy page what does nebulous mean to you is that like is just like fact that's anything in the world that is an unknown fact to you is nebulous no I mean hers is hard to Peg down nobody really knows what it is go look at her voting record what is she going to do on the border exactly she are she said that she's going to she will she supports the the immigration plan that's what Congress is going to do is allowing the president what is her DHS what is her I can address this I can address this I can address this so one of the things that she's looking to try to do is trying to reform some of our justice system for like the judges and things of that nature she's also looking to bring back the bipartisan Bill uh as well that's part of it um I could go back to that's not what president is I want to know what her DHS is going to do if you want something like that then I I would have to go and look at exactly when she talked about immigration yeah try page says that he has what it what exactly what executive orders he's going to exactly what his DHS is going to do we don't have we don't even know like can we acknowledge because I have to go in like two seconds so I really want to ask this I'm very curious very CU see you guys waiting backstage we'll pull you on after yeah I I I'm very curious what y'all's opinions are though on these potential Logan act violations because I thought that was really interesting how he's like oh yeah I've talked to the president of Ukraine or something and then he was like at the very end of it he's like I will go and talk to President Putin before I even get into office I'm like uh I don't know about that Chief um well no he he it was stronger than that he said he's on the phone with world leaders all the time they call him on contact you're allowed to talk to world leaders but if you're negotiating something political it could be a violation yeah that that just Rage with his flags for me well first of all it's eminent believe eminently believable to me that him Putin Victor Orbin all these people regularly talk that is imminently believable to me right he didn't mention which leaders right but uh I can I can see it uh and he's the one that said it so yeah uh Logan I'm sorry I don't believe him I think he talked to like Victor Orban and he said that [ __ ] to him and now he's exploding it to I talked to all these leaders all the [ __ ] he talked to one [ __ ] leader and they told him something that he wanted to hear and now he's sucking his own dick over it okay I don't think there's ever been any report of a bad relationship with zalinski I don't think they've ever said anything bad about each other there was there was a controversy if I correctly if I Trump threatening him over the phone to to investigate something yeah he said it was a very fine phone call and zalinsky didn't say anything negative about it yeah because he was terrified that he wasn't going to get the weapon shipments because Russia was already inside of Ukraine days later oh speaking of that that the best thing he did was the story about the photograph last thing last thing I will say this I love how detailed uh KLA Harris was on like what kind of agid she gave to Ukraine where she's like I gave them M1 Abrams I gave them javelins I gave them this I was like okay meanwhile Trump's like the Taliban took you out with a sniper it's like who wait what why so specific it is good because tacked it on at the end because snipers are scary at Trump rallies one of his points that he's been saying at his rallies is that he was the one that started selling Ukraine lethal weapons and Joe Biden stopped that in order to negotiate with Russia so her saying we're selling them lethal weapons kind of cuts his point out at the heels so it's good all right well guys I know you got to go where can people find you guys uh I well I'm the dogh house show you can find me on Twitter X Tik Tok because I'm blowing the [ __ ] up on Tik Tok I'm becoming a Tik tocker which I do not like uh and I am also on YouTube so wherever you want to find me just search the dogh house show and just make sure it's not like a questionable website because I promise I am not doing that kind of stuff yet okay anyways thank you for coming I'll see you later SEL you have to go too what's your thoughts yep uh I'm a [ __ ] that likes to talk about the [ __ ] news and that's about it do I need to say anything else no thanks for coming all righty bye okay at the rest of your stting let's bring on the backstagers like toy do you really think that camalo I'm looking subject to subject I got it pretty even between wait I wanted son so on when I got in here I was going to tell him um I'm talking just to be clear like I I'm talking on this overall debate performance that's going to include uh just part of was going to be you know just feel as to like their overall demeanor um and yeah I don't know I I do think that he there was points that he rambled um so oh for sure I just think I feel like he also did like the tan one when she came out of for the Taliban one and he returns with his little story about oh well we set the leader of Taliban a photo of his house I think that's going to hit home with a lot of Americans go based right like that sounds like a good I know if it's going to hit home but it was [ __ ] hilarious but me I think it's gonna be good for the Tik toks for sure Mr Gibbs I'm speaking okay God now now that I'm done you can speak no I'm kidding I love I hear from the new people we're start with jeban but I want to hear from Jeb tan a boy uh Cameron and I want to hear from uh vigilante as well so we'll go in that order go ahead give us your quickit new on I I wanted to rail against dogh house the idea that they were bi the moderators were biased towards Trump is hilarious they were clearly biased toward Cala I think any reasonable viewer would agree um Kamala I think even you Wick pointed out just outright factual like easily debunked lies that she you know if there's a I think the the vibe was if Trump said something that was debunk with one sentence the moderators were going to jump on it seemed like Kamala could kind of say whatever she wanted and they wouldn't jump on it like probably would have been clear for the record Trump has never endorsed project 2025 um for the record Trump has never endorsed uh an abortion restriction from any of these individual states that you're claiming for the record Trump never called Nazis good people in Charlottesville these are very easily debunk one- sentence things they never did it they did it well they asked him to to be clear Jeff they did ask him would you support a National Abortion ban and he never he that's not what she said though she called State abortion BS Trump abortion B so that's easily debunk in one sentence and they didn't do it so the moderation was sway Kamala side so here's my debate performance wrapup I think Cala won the debate uh she did it through debate prep I think she lost the forest through the trees as far as what her goal in the debate was right because she won the debate but she won the debate based on things that whenn you a debate and they're kind of the things that make people say debate don't matter debates matter but you have to understand that there are win conditions for each candidate in a given debate that are not the same um Donald Trump's sort of win condition here was to bop Camala on the head and say bad girl you don't know what you're talking about you're nothing whatever and that would have won him the debate while Cala wins the imagery of the debate by doing that to Trump she doesn't do what she needed to do I mentioned this I think on one of your posts needed to show flashes of greatness in terms of What She lays out for the future of the United States in terms of policy um there was a disproportionate responsibility on her part to outline and flesh out a policy platform that is consistent with her previous views that was not the same as Trump's responsibility as someone who's already been president and we've already seen what kind of policy happens under him that's my point she didn't she didn't do that and this has been the biggest flaw and this is what I predicted the Nate silver prediction change I predicted sort of the loss of momentum she was going to have because what Kamala has failed to do consistantly is when the lights are brightest and when the most attention is on her she does not take advantage of that and outline a clear policy vision for the future that's going to get undecided voters to say I think kamala's next four years are better for me materially than Trump's next four years and she continued that tendency in this debate where she focused on attacking Trump fused on getting the the good quips in and she had really great quips in certain parts of this debate she didn't I I don't think I could name one policy that I didn't know of specifically of Cala before this that she clarified here the small business one included she's already said that and the issue is Trump has a better small business policy Trump has a largely better housing policy who do you think won overall just overall I think in in terms of who looked better in the debate Cala won but I still don't think she did what she needed to do for her caign which is really what materially matters okay uh eony what are your thoughts yeah I think that kamla definitely clearly won um I I've been trying to find polls on you know sometimes it seems weird like in previous presidential debates they would have a focus group or they would have maybe some you know some immediate polling that gets released U maybe you know budgets got cut or something that just doesn't hasn't happened the last couple of debates but um we can look at betting markets though and the betting markets on poly Market flipped from favoring Trump to back to a 50-50 race and in terms of the prediction on who they think the polls will say won the debate that's almost 100% chance that they'll you know say kamla will win and I and I think that that's probably right I think that in terms of aggregately speaking you know who will the public think won this debate I think that they'll say Kamala Harris um overall I kind of disagree with Jeb Jeb TR I don't really think that the policy is going to play that big of a role in this debate I mean you know unfortunately when you're running against Donald Trump um you know on one hand it almost gives you license to run a slightly less policy focused campaign um you know for instance when we look at the undecided voters um there was a poll that got released uh I think it was a CNN poll or at least CNN reported on it where undecided voters you know just undecided voters in this poll they said you know which which candidate do you need more information on before making your decision right and only 20% of undecided voters said they needed more information on Trump about half of you know undecided voters said they needed more information on comma um but I think that your point that oh well she didn't bring up anything new in the debate well I don't think debates are necessarily places to lay out new plans There Are Places to reiterate your plans often for the first time in front of a very very large audience obviously the amount of people watching a Comm Harris rally where she's outlining specific plans that she has in office is a significantly smaller audience than probably the tens of millions who are watching a debate stage um and so I I think that she outlined those things probably fairly enough um that you know she gets a decent Boost from those people and this is reflected in at least the betting markets currently you know people are going to think that she won this debate and overall I think that she did a a pretty serviceable job and you know I think we're just back in a 50-50 race um you know with maybe some momentum gained after this from kamla marginally speaking the biggest I think effect that debates tend to have like this is probably fundraising right I think that you'll probably see um a decent fundraising hall for kamla at least relative to Trump on this night and that'll probably be good headed into the last several weeks of the campaign okay uh vigilante and then last but not least we'll hear from Cameron go ahead vigilante what are your thoughts yeah so I definitely think uh would agree that Harris won um I think what Trump has had this uh thing recently where he is pretty much been rambling like the uh racist Grandpa at like a Thanksgiving dinner and that Trend kind of continued tonight and I I genuinely don't think most people are going to want to vote for somebody who rambled like a schizophrenic [ __ ] like that so and as far as the factchecking stuff goes I mean there might have been some stuff that's Harris said incorrectly uh generally speaking there wasn't enough uh there wasn't remotely close to as much stuff that uh as to what Trump had said incorrectly uh NBC actually has a a thing I I dm' it to Wick uh the like all of the highlights and uh fact checks that they did over the bit debate the very first thing that they po posted on that while they didn't say it in the debate uh was actually factchecking Harris okay that your thoughts uh yeah okay Cameron what you got Cameron your time to shine buddy um yeah I'm actually really surprised to hear that you guys all think that Comm um I thought it was pretty 50-50 um maybe she e it out but I think it was fairly noticeable especially in the beginning of the debate that she was really nervous uh there were a couple misspeaks like the the time early on she said uh she referred to Trump as the former vice president that was a bit awkward um and maybe people don't catch that um they're listening at home maybe they're not paying that close attention um but I'm not sure she's done that before too she's she's made that exact same GFF before calling Trump the former vice president yeah I thought that was a bit weird um the like kind of the The Meta stuff there's like one point in the in the debate where um she kind of like was Raising her voice uh over and over I'm trying to find it in my notes here um it just there was a couple meta things that like while she was she was talking or while Trump was talking that just didn't really I don't think are going to come it's going to come over really well with people um as far as like Trump's performance I I mean it felt like the same thing we've been listening to for the last six months I don't really know what to say um it's all the same talking points uh yeah I think he started a little more 2016 Trump than I think the act one was was really strong for him act two Kamala started to take over and then act three I think he started to he maintained where she floundered so I could see how you could find it 50/50 I will say in terms of clippable moments rhetorically I think that's where Cala wins but I have to poke at a conoboy thing he you bring up 50% of Voters wanted to know more about Camala but then you immediately followed that with she didn't need to lay out anything new that if voters want to know more about you you need to lay out something new no that's that's not true because you're you're assuming they already know what there is to know about comma and what I'm assuming which is probably much more accurate which is that these undecided voters probably don't know very much at all about Kamala yeah it's a new plan to them not new to you as an informed voter sure but I'm not like you don't need to be that informed of a voter to know kamala's sixo platform like she has six outline policies and I think as a it's again I I keep evolving into football terminology because season has begun um but it's sort of like if I need if I need to get more points right if if the voters are telling me I need more points on the board I'm not settling for field goals I'm throwing for touchdowns like I'm not going to assume they just must not know two of the six policies I've already laid out I'm assuming they want more in general so I'm going to lay out a couple more just in case so that I can cover my bases with the people who may not have known what I already had and the people who did know what I already had and want a little bit more she did the opposite she actually stripped herself of the underlying Biden policy platform that she could have leaned on by repeatedly in the debate separating herself from Biden so if anything she made it seem to certain voters like they know her actually a lot less than they thought they did because they thought I'm getting a continuation of the Biden presidency here I voted for the Biden ticket that's like you said this aony I've heard you say this people are happy with Kamala as a candidate because they voted for the Biden come the Biden Harris ticket but now Harris is separating herself from that ticket she was saying I'm not Biden I'm doing a new thing I'm a new generation of leadership so now if I'm a voter who did if I'm one of the 50% of Voters did feel comfortable with my knowledge of Kamala I'm questioning that now because I was comfortable with my knowledge of Kamala not because of her voting record her voting record was terrible she missed 55% of her votes as a senator um I'm wondering who she is even more now because she's now telling me Oh you can't count on what I've been supporting the past four years because I'm now separating myself from that ticket you don't think a good move though to no not at all I don't well not not but specifically with the fact that brought up um the military like pretty much all the talking points from the DNC right cuz I know um like not everybody watches the conventions but I thought that was really good on her end was bringing that up again and like moving more to the center I feel like that's going to go over really really well okay before I answer that I do want to hear a con boy too on it I want to like yeah I mean I just I just really think that we're we we might be greatly overestimating how informed especially the average undecided voter is I mean if you like at this point if you are undecided on Donald Trump or KLA Harris you you're probably part of you know disproportionately let's say part of the 80 85% of Americans who wait until like basically the last couple weeks of the election before they really start to clarify their opinion um and given that you know we're we'd be about eight weeks out as of today about seven and a half weeks out no I think exactly eight weeks out um given that I mean I I just think that I I know from from all of our perspective the idea that like oh the average undecided voter doesn't even know the five or six concrete things that commus proposed I just I really don't think they do right and I think that for her to come into a debate sure um and basically just repeat at least you know I I heard maybe four or five of those six things that you referenced at the very least mentioned in this debate um I think that that's probably smart strategy after all typically candidates are encouraged to stay on message right um typically in presidential debates people don't introduce brand new things they haven't introduced to the public before at least maybe you could give some examples of that I I don't I just don't think people candidates typically do that um well yeah but Trump is a he's lost for the last Almost decade in politics he's won the one presidential election he's been in two elections and he won one of them well no but his his message in his party hasn't been very successful you know down or up ballot right and so I think that overall his messaging strategy isn't really that but we can't attach to party right because here's the thing right I agree with what you're saying most of them may not know her policy points but what do they know about her these voters that are saying I want to know more about Cala what is their impression of her if they don't know hold on yeah as very quick very quick they know her as a continuation of the Biden presidency but she just separated yourself from that so now the voters who are saying they need to know more about her they know less because she's saying I'm not going to be a continuation of the Biden a quick question of clarification on the the question of uh when the 50% that say they need to know more about her are they talking about her policies or are they talking about her like Vibes right like probably a little bit of both depending on I don't think it was specified I think it was just more sort of vag know about so here's here's my thoughts on this if you wanted to know more about her as Vibes like Vibe Mala I think she did what she needed to do I think she was very like I you said rhetorically effective and she showed people who she was on the debate stage in that kind of way but if you're talking policy as I said I heard uh specifically maybe three policy points specific ones she brought up before the debate overall devolved from policy into they're eating the dogs right um and so well okay hold on the moderators helped it devolve away from policy I'm not here to defend the moderators I am madat points were not policy Rel I'm I'm mad that the moderators didn't force Trump to answer on the will you veto or sign the abortion ban and I'm mad that they didn't make Kamala answer what what about the the 9 month 8 to n month abortion thing I think the the public the audience right the voters deserve to know their specific stances on those questions because for a lot of people abortion is a big issue and I think that the voters deserve to know a clear concise answer and neither candidate gave one in this like inflation is their number one is and she dodged that question too right at the beginning of the debate that's what I think her weakest point was inflation is people's number one issue with a bullet and she completely dodg the first question of do you think people are better off now or under Trump W let me let me so the specifically with the abortion thing uh you really can't blame the moderators too much because they did try to hold Trump's feet to the fire on that one they asked the question multiple times but where you can blame them is uh you know I think Trump specifically said why don't you ask her about this like the nine-month question um which is true like they didn't ask that question they didn't push her on it at all and they just let her get away with it completely now so yeah it's Trump's you can blame Trump for not answering that question the moderators were really uh you they they tried to get him to answer that question but I think you can blame the moderators uh for not going after kamla for not answering the nemon question the next one needs to be moderated by me okay I will do the best job um I you do a better job than than they did um the gun Comm did support mandatory gun buybacks in 2019 it does seem since then that she's uh backed away from that position so and a full modern sporting rifle band as well uh and then last thing and I'm gonna say I I kind of uh the onion has been has been [ __ ] tweeting some [ __ ] about uh this debate uh you can go check out their [ __ ] their Twitter page right now the onion uh this is one they just posted uh this sounds like I actually double did a double take because I thought Destiny posted this but it's uh fact check Trump people don't leave my rallies true they're carried out in body bags yep damn turning down the temperature as usual I mean we're not talking about the biggest news of the night Taylor Swift no no no no hold on about the hold on oh what a surprise that's what people to vote for I thought I thought Biden cookie Taylor Swift was going to vote for Trump I'm secret Republican Taylor Swift for me I don't care about the celebrity endorsements I I know people care I don't millions of I want I want to push back on this oh so much for turning the temperature down once again we have to look at what Trump did the whole time was turn that dial up to [ __ ] 11 Kama is going to eat your dogs Kama is bringing in the letting in the people who your can we just acknowledge that on live stage on live stage Trump blamed Kamala for the attempt on his life right he put indirectly and Kamala said that he was a threat to democracy again and doubled down on it so I mean again inflammatory rhetoric her rhetoric is more Nazis right name calling and then she immediately went to name calling she like said oh let's he's going to be the one name calling and then next Ines you're a disgrace like like like come on like it wasn't even doing it this is like really a case when I'm looking at this where I think she might have won the battle per se but lost the war right like y'all y'all were just talking about what is the average person look for sure right what does the average person look for right these clippable moments by Trump like y'all are like maybe they're meing or like oh maybe they're bad they're whatever I think a lot of these clips are going to come out as winners like oh they're taking uh transgender legal alien or whatever like that surgeries like in prison like that that's going to play we're going to see that play a lot now I don't know whether it's going to play good or bad age that will yeah like you know I don't know whether or not yall think it's GNA like but like the average person average person like watches these and some people are going to be convinced I I don't know I like she dodged these things and you got to remember whenever people watch this a lot of the the thing people other than Clips hold hold on let me I'm almost done hold on hold on and the last the last thing here right is in like when people they remember they only remember the very endings right and I think Trump with his strategy the end with hitner with that like 3.5 years you've done nothing and she dodged the inflation thing and she dodged the uh immigration thing all night didn't present plans for either and then he hits her with this I think that's going to be playing in a lot of people's mind or like over the next couple days we're going to be going oh damn I wish we got that answer and like we never got it I think it's going I'm calling in now I'm calling in now I'm making an official prediction wait he was right about the trans surgeries for illegal immigrants in prison though he was right about that people are going to look that up and go oh [ __ ] people that up in the first article is proof that she absolutely supported doing that that is 100% true and like that's GNA people going look this up go even laughing that's the issue Happ and then they'll look it up and they like oh [ __ ] oh [ __ ] he was lying you call unhinged for saying that is that actually true you guys that's what I'm saying this why people don't believe the lefties whenever we let me ask you now that now that it's been discovered that comma does indeed support trans surgeries for illegal immigrants uh do you take back like the question illegal immigrants who have been imprison illegal immigrants who have been imprisoned again we have to go back to the tape and listen to what he said he didn't say she supports this she's doing it there's a difference that's supporting doing it's you're smack I'm doing here's what's going to be saying not down there doing theg Gibb okay yeah she's not you know what the nor going to care about and this blows all your talking points out of the water when Trump doubles down on I actually won in 2020 almost all the country is going to laugh him out of office or idea that he is just doubling down claims he saying it sarcastically it was sarcastic that he said he number he lies over and over and over again right and you guys cares about that nobody cares about everyone car about it's issue number number think actual voters right and they this is what number one it was surprising to me one of their number one issues was democracy they did feel that democracy was on the ballot people care about this a lot of Republic site your source for that one yeah from what I've seen it's it's issue number it's Issue Number Eight as far as I'm seeing on statistics it's issue the idea of the 2020 election is Issue Number Eight inflation is like 80% number one like it's not even close even second place is really largely irrelevant people don't give a [ __ ] about anything but inflation inflation and immigration except for women women care about abortion more than anything else yeah women care about abortion but kamala's got them locked she my lifetime that more than just Republicans care about secure border it's crazy how much like it's funny one of the Trump quotes that was made is like we had a lot of good people on my Administration yeah but they're all endorsing comma now let's be clear ending specific all Democrat that's pretty a pretty sign that the Republicans have lost their way the Republicans have destroy that Democrats are now the Republican the neoc yeah I mean I'm sorry you saying that that's a sign that Trump is losing yes it's a sign that Wick prediction models hold on all prediction models you got Nate silver and that's it 60s no that's not true that's not true actual statistical models all say that Trump wins current General name one other than one know we don't know that after today though we got to wait the we need to wait till after today but I'm pretty sure even the um they say 90% of prediction models say that the the Pennsylvania winner wins the election and Donald Trump is up on four different major polls in Pennsylvania hold up hold up so that'll be at least four prediction models that show Donald Trump winning the election so I'm looking the RO politics election 2024 average Harris is yeah you're looking at one that says Cala wins I'm sure you can find one like again name one other than a silver model just name one there's not right now I mean it's obviously a really close election I I think that it's it's it's also bizarre I think to argue about like who's really winning when truthfully we're just going off of polls and this is eight weeks out right so a lot yeah a a lot of things can also change um I expect the polls to be let's say marginally wobbly I mean the truth is I think that we're going to go into election day where KL is polling at 48% Trump's polling at 47 and nobody knows what the [ __ ] going to happen on Tuesday that's probably what's going to happen the Monday before the election um and it's probably going to take a while for the votes to get the only scenario where that's not true is to be fair if we've seen what we've seen in the last sort of several you know national elections um you know other midterms or presidential elections where um it seems like Democrats in some states outperform their polls um in a way that sort of might you know tip the balance of power you know you could see maybe she's ping well on maybe she's ping you know9 Republicans win whenever they're less than 5% down in general polling so if we're going to use General polling trends Trump is due for a landslide true though I think it's only 3% is that 50% let me get in here Wick to just talk about this real quick Camala Harris came out as a neocon tonight when you look at her stances on the economy she was talking about cutting taxes she was talking about the T child tax credit which is a republican thing for decades it's always been a republican p and then she talked about building houses so she talked about Supply supply side economic so then you go down to the Ukraine effort she wants to fund two Foreign Wars and she wants an effect strong lethal military those are legit neocon talking points she wants to promote free trade she's going against protection liberal ideals yes liberal is both I would argue both candidates are Loosely liberal Trump is not a liberal Trump is an authoritarian he's a conservative liberates are he's not even close to authoritarian he tried to overthrow an election he's dictator on day one average debate enjoyer dictator on day one and very fine people so I I'm not talking about either I'm talking about the Slate of false electors fud electors that he hatched a plan with uh his legal team and things he tried to throw the election sounds like some conspiracies here January uh January and then his ad his number two person said no that's not gonna work that's not he failed at it but he tried God and that was it he tried to overthrow the person this time around said he would support a he Flo the question well no JD Vance I think said literally he would he would say that he he would expect the states to submit the alternate states of electors which which is to say he would expect the states to throw out the Democratic will of their people and just submit whatever they think should be the right state of electors which is obviously crazy thing to say which is stupid but moves the needle of the election 0% it's a very stupid thing to say you agree that this debate this debate is let's say let's say that comes out and wins this debate 55 to 45 she doesn't get more than 1% bump from this like this debate just is not going to make that big of a difference this is what I was saying this debate here's the issue no stop yeah yeah hold on people said this they're doing this with kamala's whole Big Marketing push at the beginning and now this debate the debate could have moved her more than 1% it's not gonna because she didn't do what she needed Trump his condition no realistic Trump did not at all Trump was bad in this debate I think he absolutely hit I think I disagree with you like on that part I think that they had different win conditions I think like you know maybe this is why I'm saying it's like a she won the battle with lost the war like I think he's got the clippable moments he people were arguing whether he's going to look tired and be a Biden when he compared to Kamal he looked Lively tonight boys he came in there swinging throwing punches looking a little bit try of old he throw punches but he punches he didn't look like man I mean I think he hit all his win conditions and like I think this is like a p vict hold on I think it's a p victory for Cala at best like I think it's it's going to hurt longer spelling you the facts like Trum dismissed this transgender thing and we looked it up just now and it turned out to be true like that's what's what's going to happen is people are going to remember these things they're gonna go oh well maybe he's not crazy Trump win condition Trump's win condition isn't fact Trump's win condition is the rhetorical win and he didn't get it so he didn't get his but I think I think he abely is condition isical win and he lost to Kamala as he did exactly what he needed he had several he them all I think you guys are underestimating just how um like just how polarized the electorate is right now so as an example you know Bo Joe Biden had a complete debate meltdown leading into Donald Trump getting shot and the polls did not move but more than a point right those were two unprecedented things that happened in American history both favoring one candidate polls barely moved right now obviously Joe bid had a lot internal part primary polls moved a lot primary move a bit of course right there was a lot of internal party pressure State sorry state general that's like base pressure I think to get to get Biden to drop out right but I think that let's say that kamla has I don't know like we can imagine some like reverse you know let's say on the reverse and like some incredible performance right compared to Donald Trump I I just I don't think she was ever going to gain more than a point or two from this I think that number one clearly defined like a she what she needed to do is a couple things that she didn't do here she didn't need to run away from the Biden comparisons because she can't you can't detach yourself as his current VP as his current VP you can't detach yourself you have to you have to take the informed voter hat off though Kamala laying out a 10-point policy plan does is like not the same you you have three and a half years of doing nothing and no plan that looks real yeah I'm not saying lay out a policy plan I'm saying unite yourself with Biden who has a policy plan even uninformed voters already know of because they've been familiar with the past four years I'm you're the one looking with an informed voter perspective uninformed voters only know Camala as you are a continuation of Biden you are his vice president but she said you wanted to know more about me actually I'm going to take away the only thing you know about me which is that I am a continuation I fundamentally disagree that that was one of her win conditions I don't think that she needed to lay out specific policies more than she did and I think that there is very little I didn't say specific policies I said she needed to lean on Biden and confirm that she is a continuation of Biden and support that I think she need lay out I don't I don't I don't think tying herself I don't think tying herself to the president that has like a 35% approval rating is like the winning here here's the deal like honestly from a strategic perspective being vague even though I don't like this to be clear but being vague about what your policies are condition boy literally told us the evidence why that's not the case voters wanted to know more they didn't want vag they don't want specific policies when they say they want to know more they don't care about what is your gun control Poli they don't care don't more I would like to made a very good point here about siloing we have really Sil so this is the first time when we saw Camala Harris take over Joe Biden we saw about a three to five point bump in the pools that was the only bump about 5% of the double haters or n decided shifted to Camala other than that there was Zero convention bump this is one ofit B one of the smallest convention bumps since we've had conventions so he's right there is a lot of siloing a lot of people that already have their minds made up we have about 15% of Voters that are both double haters now this idea that they're uninformed voters that are just picking it up yes those are some of them but I reject that that's even the like a large amount let alone the majority I think a lot of the double haters are well defined I think there's a lot of undecided voters I like uned uned an undecided voter I need to know her border policy and she has not given it to me in any way besides oh this is what Congress is going to do I disagree I agree with the Democrats that she clarified pretty clearly she just is going to push the same bill we already had which is what I said she should do she should attach herself to the Biden policies as much as she can but she let's give vigilante some space in certain in certain spaces she was attaching herself to Biden's policies like immigration but there's also a lot of other uh places where she shouldn't be doing that because her and Biden's are opinions are relatively different um Israel Palestine is one example of that um abortion oh yeah she gave a terrible answer about Israel Palestine that was I I don't get me wrong I think her answer on Israel Palestine was [ __ ] awful and it was as bad as it could have been uh what she she wait she said in the same breath Israel is killing innocent Palestinians and we're going to continue giving them weapons she didn't blame Hamas once for the innocent Palestinian death hold on St stop stop stop the first thing she said was mentioned on October 7th where uh Hamas and I even uh commented on this because I think just right so that Hamas came in on October 7th and killed um 1,200 I believe was the number that she used and rap uh innocent Jewish people innocent civilians and rap and then she said but too many innocent Palestinians have been killed so that is separating the two ideas that is not blaming Hamas for the Palestinian deaths that is saying that is basically say that is basically saying think they were civili that was Hamas attacked Hamas attacked Israel overreacted but we're going to continue giving them weapons it was the debate bro brained all right that's what we're learning nobody nobody is dissecting these statements like this I think what people he is saying too many innocent Palestinians have died is a condemnation of Israel are you [ __ ] kidding me what people I think what people hear they're not going to hear the dissected statement no no it's not I think that what people I I gave her a B+ like I don't think this was a you know an unbelievable performance so I don't think I'm particularly biased in this regard despite my stylish hat that I'm wearing but no I I I just think that people aren't really like dissecting the statement as analytically as you I think that what people hear when they hear something like Israel has the right to defend itself but no but listen I think what people you know sort of median person here is when they say oh Israel has right to defend itself but also there's too many innocent Palestinians getting killed and this and that I think what they hear is oh this is a person who has like a relatively moderate view on the conflict in the region right I think that's generally the takeaway that people are going to have there's just like no way that that this it's not an impactful not on this called ceasefire she acknowledged homos atrocities and she called for a two-state solution it's a milk toast answer right but it is a I don't think it's a harmful answer and or the worst possible answer she can give I milk toast answer is and it's again called for a ceire acknowledged toas atrocities and calls for two-state solution yeah but you're ignoring the things she also said like Israel has killed too many innocent Palestinians that is a condemnation of Israel yes if you hold that view how can you justify giving them more weapons because you can also recognize you don't give them weapons wor out no no they are literally not like I I I don't understand why oh my God if okay here's what you have to do as a politician if you're going to continue to support Israel you have to say too many innocent Palestinians have died as a result of hamas's Guerilla War tactics you have to clar clarify that you're placing the blame of Palestinian deaths on Hamas otherwise if you're blaming innocent Palestinian deaths on Israel and then saying I'm going to continue giving weapons to Israel you're saying the us is going to continue to help Israel to in not one time you're right not one time Israel was she said like she said every has like every Iran proxy but Hamas basically she said like and she also criticized Trump I was kind of surprised she left that Hamas to be H she also criticized Trump for allowing Taliban agents to uh negotiate at Camp David while Democrats historically have allowed Hamas terrorists to negotiate at David she very clearly avoided Hamas in every conversation they could have been brought up it's very clear what her stance is if you watch she busted out the maps and said Israel can not go in they're causing too many casualties she's been blaming Israel for the casualties in many many past statements again rightfully out you guys are just ignoring the everything she said around those things and pretending they didn't happen initi I'm saying they enough because you have to blame for the deaths you have to no you don't you're looking at you're looking you can't you can't give Israel weapons and then say they're killing innocent Palestinians themselves on their own we looking at this on partisan lines there are a lot of people who are you are you're about what I said point it out you're the partisan line is the pro-israel side they're you're not what about what I said don't just say pro-israel what words did I say that were partisan saying that you have to condemn Hamas for the deaths of the if you want to give Israel weapons yeah you can't say Israel is killing Palestinians all on their own innocently and then give them weapons you have to say Palestinians are dying and it's not Israel's fault that's why we're gonna give them weapons it's either way you can't give them weapons to kill innocent Palestinians the answer that she G the answer that she gave was playing both sides which is that's why it was the worst no it's it's a Centrist answer yeah no Centrist doesn't mean good there is good wor answer right now I think the worst answer she could have G given was like no actually [ __ ] Israel let him die I mean yeah there's a lot of wor that's no so here's the issue with there's good centrism and bad centrism bad centrism is Israel is doing an evil thing and we're going to equip them better to do that evil thing this is you're get this you know what's happening right now though y you know what you're doing this is kind of like what like I think that econ boy and you were initially hitting on what you're doing right now is getting lost in the weeds right like the average voter is not going to sit here especially uninformed like the uninformed one especially and I know a lot of them they're not going you know I could sit here and break down the way in her debate it was said this way it should have been said no don't no I just listen killing innocent Palestinians and I'm giving his real listen to you I care care this the average person they don't give two shits about this hold on they don't give two shits about how it was phrased in in the by her in the thing like listen I'm pretty I'm pretty anti Camala but I'm not over here going she said it wrong but like you know like okay that's not like that's not a dunk the average person the average the average dunk though for the people yeah I don't even like yeah it's total this is not a dunk you're getting the average person gives you that's why I keep say that's why I keep saying hold on this is what's important you're you're getting lost in some [ __ ] that don't matter when like the argument should be is how is Trum going to play out over the thing is this going to be like a like oh tomorrow he gets meem to death or is this going to be a thing where like oh these play out and it's like a puic victory like she might have won on some of these things and like maybe got away with getting away with some stuff by being nebulous or vague but is it like okay Trump nailing on a few of these things going to be like the long con play or is it going to play badly cuz it looks like bad sh I think thinks that kamalo won the debate to be fair yeah I mean like everyone no and my thing is I'm thinking of the uninformed voter the uninformed voter is being informed by this debate and they're being informed by Camala that Israel because she didn't say Hamas Israel has killed too many innocent Palestinians and then immediately being informed also by Kamala we're going to continue to give Israel weapons to kill innocent Palestinians instead of what she could have said and I don't know is this do trying to 100% the political Compass political that's not an argument that what I'm saying is wrong it's an argument that this question didn't matter to begin yeah it doesn't matter yeah that's my argument sure whatever that doesn't mean she didn't give the worst possible answer definitely wrong definitionally wrong um she's saying Israel killed to many Palestinians and we giving them weapons to continue doing that she is saying the United States is giving Israel weapons to kill Palestinians and uninformed voters are the most susceptible to that message because they have saying in the simplest terms exactly what she said this is the simplest interpretation is they are list I give you the simp interpretation that most people are going to get uh take away from this she called for a two-state solution she called for a ceasefire and she said Israel um what was this oh yeah Israel was attacked on October 7th no that's not simpler that's just ignoring two other things she said which is Israel killed too many innocent Palestinians and we're going to give them weapons in the middle of a huge Forest just sitting in front of that tree you were picking up that tree and you were saying see look at this one tree in this whole beautiful Majestic Forest that almost everyone who isn't autistic is looking at right and you have you're saying only autistic people care that Palestinians are dying you're insane you're insane if you think is killing to alans Israel is killing too many Palestinians is not an issue on voters Minds insane more severe it's more important to voters than the two-state solution less voters care about a two-state solution then care about Palestinians dying there are two media narratives at play that most people know about one is Israel defending itself and the other is too many innocent Palestinians are dying the two-state solution is not even on 10% of I'll I'll let hold on real quick I'll let people uh in the audience and people who be this after look at how he rephrased what I just said and then you can make your own judgments of whe whether he's I didn't rephrase it I'm just poting out what you're ignoring uh K's statement correctly or not I'll let the audience I'm saying what she said is Israel killed too many Palestinians innocent Palestinians and we're going to give them weapons to do it I want to give it to Rampage Paul and we are going we have a hard cap on this because I'm yeah yeah yeah yeah so really quick Je feel like what you're talking about like when you're going like Gibbs was saying going down deep into the weeds here I feel like the reason why two very simple things when when I feel like when Camala Harris like what she did tonight um speaks so well to the Layman of the person of the American you're talking about that she you think that she's losing here in this type of conversation I think in every topic tonight the normal Layman the uninformed uh like political voter out there looked at Camala and said was an absolute W and I think we're going to uh I don't know how anyone else sees it differently materially well like material you're talking about how uh with the Israel Palestine thing I think she like what w Wick was talking about she did do a fairly well answer she said we need to do this that and then the other thing with you know with the hostages as well as like the with the ceasefire um as well as like [ __ ] Hamas like that's what she did say tonight she didn't say Hamas one time well okay that's fine that's that that's fine if maybe she didn't it's not fine if you have to make up what she said to say she gave a perfect answer then she didn't give a perfect answer so those issue number like 500 like listen this is all whole their number one issue is infl hold on Gibbs Gibbs Gibbs their number one issue is inflation what did she say about it give me that Rampage Paul I'm sorry ask a question one more time I heard the undecided voter you guys keep pretending to be thinking for the undecided voter their number one issue by literally a the historic margin is inflation what did you say about it she said several things that would help people afford okay number one she talked about her housing subsidy she said oh we're going to help you get into a house it actually does because if house prices are going up and comma gives you more money to afford a house that helps you deal with Rising housing costs Jeb that has to do with inflation I'm reading potentially a lot into that statement Jeb both guilty of that they've heard that for small businesses we're going to help you with the cost of raising a child ,000 led to worse inflation or say sales tax you didn't take them take them off if they were so bad why exactly you're saying she said nothing about inflation or cost though and she did though she talked about the cost of raising a newborn child she talked new what new oh Jeb the goal post shifted sh don't understand at the very beginning of my statement I said you even affirmed voters wanted to know more about Kamala than her regular three or four policies she's already said and she did not elaborate any further what do we know now that we didn't know before he clearly is what I said hey let's bring it back one second here jab when we talk about like you say the undivided voters what did she really talk undecided that's why sorry so undecided voter you talk about this I think what she did tonight regardless of if she talked about policy or no policy or if she has a PO or doesn't have a policy in general she spoke so much more just so much better to the undecided voter she I I don't know how anybody can think that she did not win this debate I just tell I'm like you can really just look at Trump trump looked tired he looked pissed he lost his [ __ ] mind not saying anything that he said it doesn't again let's a Victor Orbin endorsed me these are great of you guys are talking to me about uninformed voters but you're thinking an uninformed voter knows who Victor orbon is you're [ __ ] okay my prediction of how this is going to work is going to go exactly how I say it is just like it has the last eight months and Rampage knows this I've called this election to a te for the last year roughly you guys can believe what you want to believe this is going to provide at most half a percent to a percent bump and then it's immediately goingon to die right back down and all the predictions are still gonna say Trump is gonna win what she need you only prediction that matters the only prediction that matters who do you think is going to get the W on November 5th Trump you think Trump will win that's your prediction we'll lock it in and people can make their judgment I don't like these 7030 predictions right or the percentage predictions right because you you just asked me to make the same exact prediction so no I no I'm asking you 7030 prediction by Nate silver is that Trump will win that is theed just asked who going to win I don't I didn't ask you percentage I didn't ask you for like a odd I asked you who's going to win Trump or Kamala you said Trump do you stick by that yeah I think that's what I'm saying when I said I'm looking for binary predictions here I don't like odds predictions I think they're weas you're looking for a dumber version of a of a prediction okay that's taking a page out of liman's book Wick is who predicted the last out 10e yeah that'd be interesting I wonder what everyone thinks in terms of who's going to win but I don't know I think um I think K's going to win I just I don't think this debate's going to make I mean I agree with Jeb in the sense that this debate's not going to make make that big of a difference it sounds like we just disagree and sounds like we agree that this debate doesn't make a big difference we agree the elections really really close um he just thinks that could have though it could have made a big difference for well you just you you think there will be you think there will be 100,000 voters in those key swing States you know more on Trump's side I think it'll be on on Comm side um but we'll see I I think honestly control of Congress might be more interesting and in 2024 cuz the on I got to go to bed uh gang if you've enjoyed this content hit that like button hit that subcribe button you guys can keep talking if you'd like right but I have to end the stream uh tomorrow tune in 5:00 P p.m. Eastern I will be debating Destiny on the Alo flag Scandal right whether or not Alo should be expected to recuse himself I think that uh Destiny stance on this is dead wrong I don't think uho did anything wrong in this instance and uh uh I don't think that his wife should be uh stripped of her ability to exercise Her First Amendment right simply because he uh sits on the Supreme Court respect Destiny has been poisoned by election season to a degree I don't think I've ever seen in my life wait thinks that he should step down because his wife yeah Destiny is was more moderate I think than aono boy I think like about a year ago and I think Destiny has leapfrogged aono boy to some pretty extreme positions on a lot of these issues around I know if he's quite as based as I am but you know he's he's getting there extreme on but for now I already beat a boy on this debate before but yeah I'm going to end it I love L against me so he decided to go for an easier opponent in round two Destiny Destiny is a notoriously untested debater so we'll see how it goes