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I'm going to actually do something really unusual and I'm going to invite you to attend one of Donald Trump's [Music] [Applause] rallies it's a really interesting thing to watch women I won't be following you around to the hospital monitoring and what you will also notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom by the way her Crowds Are zero her crowds she's got no crowds and I will tell you the one thing you will not hear him talk about is you they taking the geese you know where the geese are in the park in the like and even walking off with their pets my dog's been taken you will not hear him talk about your needs your dreams and your and your desires I always liked him I'm not going to watch him anymore I'm not going to watch him because he's not legit what he did I'm not going to watch him and his hair is not as good as it used to be you know I'll tell you I believe you deserve a president who actually puts you first the parents mom did they're so proud she get come on baby you can do it you saw it well K do she couldn't get it up and I pledge to you that I will my wife hates when I do this she says it's so unpresidential yeah good morning and welcome to Morning Joe it's Friday September 13th Willie are you ready for the weekend I am I I love his obsession with David M's hair he's disappointed that the hair has gotten worse implying that he used to think David Mir has great hair went on at some life about that fascinating does he really want to be talking like about hair I don't know um and then the weave I don't know it seems to me that right now the big story is the fact that he doesn't want to debate again I'd love to get your thoughts on this it seems to me they could have waited a week or two but he must have been so traumatized by being so badly beaten that he just wanted to get it out of his mind that he would ever have to be on stage again with kamla Harris yeah I mean he objectively got blown out of the room at that debate three nights ago he knows that his advisers know that Republicans who support him generally have said that on television Fox News hosts are saying that he knows he got creamed and so now he's framing it as the debate was unfair to me the moderation too mean I'm not going to do that again he doesn't want to get back in the ring with vice president Harris that's the truth so as you said Donald Trump officially now is backing out of a second debate with the vice president despite previously claiming he would participate in one more debate with Harris the former president said yesterday during that rally in Arizona that because he quote one on Tuesday night he doesn't need another one but when a prize fighter loses a fight you've seen a lot of fights right the first words out of that Fighter's mouth is I want to rematch I want to rematch and that's what she said I want to rematch polls slly show that I won the debate against comrade Camala Harris she went over to ABC which in my opinion has taken a big hit because these two people were bad news they kept screaming at me I said why are you screaming I'm saying to myself I'm looking him I always liked him I'm not going to watch him anymore I'm not going to watch him because he's not legit what he did I'm not going to watch him and his hair is not as good as it used to be you know so because we've done two debates and because they were successful there will be no third debate it's too late anyway the voting's already begun you got to go out and vote we got to vote so North Carolina two nights ago Donald Trump and I had our debate you watched it did you watch it and look I believe we owe it to have another debate right we owe it to the voters because here's the thing in this election what's at stake could not be more important that's kamla Harris Willie on the road in front of yet another massive crowd despite what Donald Trump says and here's the problem with everything Donald Trump said in those sound bites um how many people watched the debate I think it was a pretty big number like 70 million or something across multiple networks and so we don't have to actually say oh he's lying let's fact check that everyone saw it everyone saw it everyone knows that he's lying yeah and he likes that boxing metaphor about a rematch somehow framing that as as how he won he doesn't need another one I think the more apt boxing metaphor is that he just got his butt kicked in the third or fourth round and he's deciding not to come back back out for the next round where KLA Harris is standing in the middle of the Ring say let's do it again he wants none of it let's continue the conversation with the co-host of msnbc's the weekend former chairman of the Republican National Committee Michael steel Pulitzer prizewinning columnist and Associate editor of the Washington Post Eugene Robinson and managing editor at the bullwark Sam Stein guys good morning great to have you all with us Michael I'll start with you uh your take as someone who has worked in politics for all of his adult life about what it means when someone suddenly declares they don't want another debate yeah yeah when when you when you come out and try to frame this the way Donald Trump is framing it after we saw what we saw right it's not like this was one of those things that you you only heard on radio or you just didn't tune in and missed it and no a lot of people saw this um we know he's lying we know he got he not just got stung he got knocked down and he got knocked down in such a way that he could not get up so basically she she did in one better went over to him and introduced herself kamla Harris and from that moment he was not the same she started off a little rocky but she found her footing very quickly on issue after issue and the only thing he was reduced to was talking about ducks and cats and whining about the fact that you know uh she was lying about his crowd size if that's the that is the basically the essence of that debate for Donald Trump and so yeah he's on the mat looking up from the floor saying I don't want no more God bless you Donald because when you get up she gonna hit you again and she's ready and I think the country's ready for him for her to continue to do that because I think I heard Ma say at some point earlier this week we're just exhausted and I think we're done with all of this and she has become as Donald Trump was the avatar for grievance and regression and looking backwards she's now the avatar for looking forward and hope and people see that there is something ahead that they can move towards as opposed to staying stuck where we are kudos to you Michael Steele for taking our extended boxing metaphor to the Roberto Duran Sugar Ray Leonard fight with no moss in 1980 very nicely done there um Eugene Robinson it is we saw there just again the start contrast we saw Donald Trump at his rally in Arizona talking about dogs and cats and geese and David M's hair and then cut to two rockus turning point in this election but it was certainly a moment uh a moment that can only be good for Don Harris and a moment that can only be bad for Donald Trump and I imagine that his staff when he said okay maybe we don't do another debate I imagine they encouraged him okay okay send that out say that today because and put it you know let's eliminate the possibility of another debate because um how could they stand another one of those another beat down like that I just don't uh I I don't see it you know not overtly trying to be mocking because these are really serious times um nobody made that more clear than kamla Harris did on the debate stage but one final note about the debate I mean it really was no joke here it was The Wizard of Oz uh finally at the end um when the curtain is pulled back his act was dismantled by her face alone and also everything that she said in front of so many people it's going to be very hard for the former president to convince anybody except for DieHard Maga who don't the types of people who will follow him to anywhere uh it's going to be very hard for him to convince most Americans that he had a modum of sense and had any hits during that debate he was the loser um and for the first time everyone everyone at the same time saw it um The Wizard of Oz so let's talk more uh about the vice president's rallies uh in North Carolina yesterday as we mentioned she received a rockus reception huge crowd last night inside the Greensboro Coliseum [Applause] Complex that was the Roar from 17,00 th000 people when she took the stage the vice president recapped the debate and pushed one of her core messages of her campaign on Tuesday night I talked about issues that I know matter to the families Across America like bringing down the cost of living investing in America's small businesses protecting reproductive freedom [Applause] and keeping our nation safe and secure but that's not what we heard from Donald Trump instead you know and I called it at the beginning of the debate it was the same old show same old tired Playbook we've heard for [Applause] years with no plan for how he would address the needs of the American people well folks look it's time to turn the page prior to Greensboro the vice president spoke to 7500 voters at an event in Charlotte where people began gathering in line several hours before the star time once the rally kicked off Harris highlighted the flood of Republican endorsements that she has recently received over 200 people who worked for president George HW Bush President George W bush John McCain and Mitt Romney have endorsed me for president former Vice President Dick Cheney and congresswoman Liz Cheney are supporting me as well because as they said we have a duty as Citizens to put country above partisanship and defend our constitution say on that point I mean it's overwhelming uh samstein her crowds which is something Trump talked about he got so I mean he fell for it so it was painful to watch how quickly he fell for kamla Harris kind of making fun of his rallies in a very real and realistic way that he talks about Hannibal Lecter and makes up crap and just throws it out there and really speaks about nothing but most importantly does not talk about you the American people and he could do for the American people but even more so he was very rattled about crowd siiz saying that nobody comes to her rallies and so again if anyone wants to check I mean there's 177,000 people at one rally alone yesterday and they were going wild but to a point she was making about the 200 Republicans who are endorsing her I do think there's a decision to be made uh by former President George W bush and others that are very high high level Republicans and if they truly believe that Donald Trump is a threat to democracy but if they also truly believe that there is a Republican party to be saved that there is a Republican party to be rebuilt that there is a Republican party that should be a part of this democracy that we live in isn't the only way to go at this point is to endorse Kamala Harris and let the Republican Party rebuild I mean very very good questions uh first on the rally size you know Trump will probably respond uh by alleging that this is all AI generated right and that this can't possibly be real uh secondarily uh on on the issue of Republicans supporting Harris first it was a little bit disorienting I got to be honest to see a massive Stadium filled with Democrats cheering the mention of Dick Cheney uh the 20 years ago that would have been unfathomable uh but we're in very weird uh disorienting time and M I think you bring up the right question which is uh do certain Republicans who we presume or know don't like Donald Trump want him to fail do they feel a moral obligation uh to not just say they're not voting against Trump but to make the affirmative case for voting for Harris now dick and L Cheney have done that uh Alberto Gonzalez yesterday did that the question on you know the mind of people like us at the bull workers will people we presume George W bush uh cond rice will those people who we presume do not support Trump will they come out and say in fact it's good for both the Republic and the Republican party uh to see Harris win good for the Republican party in that we need to have a serer version of the Republican party and the only way that that can happen is if we prove that trumpism finally and fully is a loser yeah I mean by the way Donald Trump's not a republican like if everybody just really looked at the reality of Donald Trump the person leading the Republican party right now is anything but a Republican and will throw away any issue if it doesn't serve him personally even abortion but he's already done so much damage on that that I'd like to point out Willie one thing about what Sam said about that crowd of Democrats supporting Kamala uh clapping about Dick Cheney I can tell you I know personally that are some Republicans in those crowd Republican women especially are gathering together and going to kamla Harris rallies and as her campaign and kamla Harris will will tell you they are welcome to be there yeah Republicans for Harris is what the campaign calls it and let's not forget that group of Nikki Haley voters that are potentially up for grabs who say they cannot abide Donald Trump and they need to be convinced that kamla Harris is the choice I will say Sam and I are living in the same head space I watched that clip and I thought my God go back to 2004 in an arena full of Democrats cheering for Darth Vader himself Dick Cheney who was the arch villain of American politics according to Democrats it's an extraordinary time for sure so during that Arizona rally yesterday as we said Donald Trump continued to push that baseless claim that migrants from Haiti are eating pets in Springfield Ohio there's a place called Springfield Ohio that you've been reading about 20,000 illegal Haitian immigrants have descended upon the town of 58,000 people destroying their entire way of life this was a beautiful community and now it's uh horrible what's happened enrollment of the state's Medicaid and food assistance programs have soared motor vehicle accidents have Skyrock edited recording of 911 calls even show residents are reporting that the migrants are walking off with the town's geese they're taking the geese you know where the geese are in the park in the lake and even walking off with their pets my dog's been taken my dogs so this can only happen these people are the worst as the people of Arizona understand better than anyone else under Camala Harris or country is under a thing called Invasion did you ever hear the word Invasion just like a military it's like a military Invasion we are being conquered and we are being occupied by a foreign element officials in Springfield Ohio and the Republican governor of Ohio Mike dwine again say there is absolutely no evidence of Haitian immigrants not illegal immigrants Haitian immigrants abusing pets many of those migrants as I say are here legally under temporary protected status meanwhile the mayor of Springfield says the city received a bomb threat that used hateful language against the migrant and specifically the Haitian Community yesterday's threat led to the evacuation of City Hall two schools and the local Motor Vehicle Agency Mayor Rob Hugh telling the Washington Post his City needs help and not the hate that's being spread by some political leaders so it's easy to laugh Michael steel at all of the dog and cat and geese eating that's coming out of the mouth of Donald Trump and all the memes that he's posting he's lean actually leaning into this he thinks he's got a winner here um but also it has real world implications for people in Springfield Ohio for Haitian immigrants who are here legally and for people of color across the country no it absolutely does uh there are there are some real ramifications here that extend uh well beyond um the jokes and and I think you know it it's it's time we hold Donald Trump responsible for this uh he is he's being deliberate in what he's saying he's been told what the truth is not just by his campaign but by officials of both the city and the state uh and and that state official happens to be a fellow Republican so this is not some democrat trying to do politics um on the on the subject there if someone is harmed or injured and bomb threats are being called in um there are idiots who are following this man who will take action because they believe Donald Trump when you use terms like there is a military Invasion by these individuals by these others you will have people who will respond to that and it rests on Donald Trump's lips and on his hands what happens and we just can't sugarcoat this yeah there's some great memes and jokes for sure but this very quickly turns the corner of becoming serious for the people who live in that community and for Haitians not just in that Community but in other communities around the country and and you know we just it just I don't know I get frustrated and yet at the same time confused by how something like this takes off the way it does and that people think so little of their fellow human beings to believe something as Insidious and stupid and stupid as this that could lead to someone being hurt yeah I mean look at January 6th look at this uh bomb thrat I mean these are real events we don't have it's not oh Democrats just exaggerating and they're taking a word out of context and getting hysterical about it because he said this or he said that no these things have happened there are many things now in on the record in our history that have been rested on the lips and not at the hands of Donald Trump and also the leaders who continue to support him it's a campaign of constant hatred constant lies and for Republican voters and leaders I just like how long can you do this aren't you getting tired don't you want your party back it it's just it's exhaust to controversial measures regarding election Integrity which require election officials to conduct a quote reasonable inquiry into election results before certifying them they also allow County board members to look at quote election related documentation created during an election the trial for the case will begin October 1st and will be live streamed online joining us now former litigator and MSNBC legal correspondent Lisa Rubin Lisa great to see you again you're calling this the most critical trial this election season doesn't involve Trump this one explain for us the lawsuit that's led to this trial and maybe why people should watch it on live stream yeah M people should watch this because even though Donald Trump is not involved it is all about him this is an effort by three members on this Georgia election board who are each appointed by different constituencies in Georgia to throw some of the rules and permit discretion in the certification process with respect to County election results and if those two rules that you just described are allowed to stand the fear is that certain counties in Georgia will not report their results by November 12th as many people including Secretary of State Brad raffensberger believe is absolutely mandatory under the statute and then thinking from there if they don't report their results from the 12th it may be an effort to also prevent the entire state of Georgia from reporting its results and thereby its slate of electors and I just want to clarify for you and some of our viewers what would happen in that instance we all know that there's a certain number of votes to win the electoral college but under a new 2022 statute passed by Congress if a state doesn't report its slate of electors then you essentially subtract that State's electoral vote from the total Georgia here has 16 electoral votes and so this may be an attempt to deprive one of the candidates of a victory here by taking Georgia's 16 votes off the table and skewing the results accordingly Lisa that's so well explained it's really important for people to understand because there is the rhetoric that comes from Donald Trump already laying the groundwork to question the outcome of the election down on the state level to actually carry that out in a way that would be different from 2020 in a way that they were unable to do then is there are there versions of what we're seeing in Georgia taking place across the country as well as some of those Republicans those Maga Republicans look to kind of seed the ground to stall at the very least the results coming in well I would say yes and no Wily on one hand delayed certification in Georgia is the new fake elector we have yet to see efforts that sort of duplicate what exactly is going on in Georgia here but delayed certification is only one part of a two-part scheme the first part are these widespread challenges to voter registration roles to try and take out of the equation people who they think will vote for vice president Harris and that we're seeing in places all over the country from Michigan and Arizona to Ohio to Texas efforts to sort of change the composition of who's entitled to vote in the first place and then if at first you don't succeed you delay that certification all right MSNBC legal correspondent Lisa Rubin Thank you very very much for Clinton has a new book coming up and Morning Joe has an exclusive first look at one key part of it the book entitled something lost something gained Reflections on life love and Liberty goes on sale next Tuesday Clinton was reording the audio book when news broke that President Biden had dropped out of the race for the white house so she decided to record her first reaction to that Monumental shift in presidential Politics as an epilogue to the audio version Morning Joe has now an exclusive excerpt of that epilogue take a listen on July 21st 2024 when Joe Biden announced he was dropping out of the presidential race and endorsing kamla Harris the dream of seeing a woman in the Oval Office was suddenly back within reach it wouldn't be me but it could be comma history beckoned but a whole lot of bigotry fear and disinformation not to mention the Electoral College stood in the way could we do it could we finally shatter that highest hardest glass ceiling and prove that in America there is no limit to what is possible when Bill and I heard the news that Biden was withdrawing and endorsing Kamala we drafted a joint statement saluting him and also endorsing her she is talented experienced and ready to be president so it was an easy decision after our statement went public kamla called us she was remarkably calm for someone who had just been thrown into the deep end of a bottomless pool she told us she wanted to earn the nomination I'm going to need your help she said we'll do whatever you need I told her bill and I were both ready to do everything we could to help get her elected history is full 2024 is not 2016 Trump's Victory then and the ugliness of his presidency woke up a lot of people there's less complacency now about the strength of our democracy and more consciousness of the threats posed by disinformation demagoguery and implicit bias some people have asked how I feel about the prospect of another woman poised to achieve the Breakthrough I didn't if I'm being honest in the years after 2016 I also wondered how I would feel if another woman ever took the torch that I had carried so far and ran on with it with some little voice deep down inside whisper that should have been me now I know the answer after I got off the phone with the vice president I looked at bill with a huge smile and said this is exciting I felt promise I felt possibility it was exhilarating when I imagined comma standing before the capital next January taking the oath of office as our first woman president president my heart leaps after hard years of division it will prove that our best days are still ahead and that we are making progress on our long journey toward a more perfect union and it will make such a difference in the lives of hardworking people everywhere for now thinking about this momentous period I find myself turning back to where this book began as Joanie Mitchell sang all those years ago something's lost but something's gained Democrats have lost our standard Bearer we will miss Joe Biden's steady leadership deep empathy and fighting Spirit he is a wise and decent man who served our country well yet we have gained much too a new Champion an invigorated campaign and A Renewed sense of purpose you know uh we're going to hear from former secretary uh Clinton when she joins us next Thursday right here on Morning Joe and Willie you know