"Most Absurd Interview EVER!" Battle Of The Campaign Managers On Trump-Harris Debate

Introduction everybody knows Donald Trump is tough he's the boss of bosses he was a toddler and he threw a temper tantrum after he lost a fair election why was Kamala Harris incapable of being able to get into a room with Donald Trump the president most of the American people don't really know which Camala Harris is going to show up on the debate stage this is just ridiculous we all know him that his biggest flaw is that he's a perfectionist I do you read his bleeds he doesn't even spell things correctly this debate is going to be the first time the American people are actually going to see Camala Harris it's shameful and the media should be held accountable for it here I got to tell you that was one of the most absurd interviews I've ever had to watch in my life in just a few days former president Trump will face vice president Kamala Harris in a live televised debate The 90minut Showdown on ABC will be the first time the two candidates have ever faced off and it could have massive implications for the Frantic final months of the campaign bolster Frank Lun reckons the winner of the debate will win the presidential election there have been weeks of frenzy speculation about muting mics notepads Le turns and rules but whatever the rules end up being how are the campaigns preparing to win well Cory lowki who was Trump's campaign manager in 2016 when of course Trump won the presidency has rejoined the team and he joins me now with the inside track well hopefully Cory great to see you again thanks for having me it's been a Corey Lewandowski discusses rejoining the Trump campaign while talked to you a lot in 2016 I remember the very early days of the Trump campaign was basically Donald Trump you hope picks the press secretary and Keith Schiller The Bodyguard that was it the gang of four um that was the whole thing yeah and I mean just just to start given I haven't spoken to you for quite a few years now but when you think back to those early days in in 2015 from when he he first announced he was running and no one gave him a chance uh I was one of the few people out there going I think he's going to win and people would openly laugh at me did you believe when you were with him with that very small but very DED team did you believe he was going to win in 2016 you know Pierce I knew he was going to win and I knew it when I went to an event with him in my home state of New Hampshire uh and I'd been to hundreds if not thousands of events in New Hampshire one of the first events we ever did we showed up at a VFW Hall in the middle of the summer there were probably 700 people inside and literally the people were standing on the roof and they came out and they started shaking the car like they were seeing the Beatles And I couldn't understand fully at the time what was going on they were so excited just to see him and to have a non-politician get into the race when I saw that I said we have something special and then it became a movement I remember another moment which was when the pope uh appeared to criticize Donald Trump for building the wall and criticizing quite openly and Trump's response was extraordinary actually because he came back and said well last time I checked was to this effect there's a wall around the Vatican protecting the pope um and he gave it you know back as hard as he got it and I remember you saying to me at the time you know for someone to stand up to the pope it's quite a big deal but it shows you how Fearless Donald Trump is and of course he you know he as we've seen with the assassination attempt he is when it comes to it pretty Fearless he is and listen I think the American people have seen him as the greatest counter puncher ever and look I'm a Catholic right so going after the pope to me was kind of you know very tough but we were in South Carolina at the time and he said what's the population of Catholics here in the States this going to hurt me I said it's 11% sir he said it doesn't matter if it's right or wrong it's the right thing to do and we're going to hit back and then you know Pierce there's some things you can't teach and you've known Donald Trump a long time after he gets shot in the ear he stands up not because he had rehearsed this or because anybody thought this could happen he says fight fight fight and this is a man who has been in the arena you know you hear often that man who enters the arena the man who's going to get into the ring to fight uh everybody knows that he is a fighter what most of the American people don't see but you have is how generous he is privately how magnanimous he is behind the scenes how gracious he is to his friends and his family uh once you get to know him and how big of a heart he has and so I think that as this campaign goes forward part of what my job really wants to be is is to show the American people that Donald Trump I've gotten to know over the last decade not just a tough guy that everybody knows been shot stood up and continues to fight for that special man who has that big heart that he really wants to implore to the American people that's really interesting it's interesting you say that Cory because that you know many people say that Donald Trump's you know biggest problem is himself that he sometimes just can't help doing stuff which is self Haring and I think there's no doubt that he does that it's all part of his makeup um but all those characteristics which you just highlighted which I have seen privately he was incredibly loyal to me when I left CNN for example when most Americans just you know cut me off their contacts list and moved on to the next one Donald Trump stayed in touch and was genuinely interested in in what I was going to do next and I I remember that so he's got a lot of qualities also when I did the assembly Apprentice when you sit opposite someone for hours every night for weeks on end they can't hide what they're really like and he showed a lot of empathy in in that environment um he was very gracious to the women for example I remember etc etc but he hides a lot of that stuff from his political Persona and I I'm curious why you think he does that and how you're going to persuade him after 8 years as a politician to open up to that side of How will you persuade Trump to show his empathetic side? himself because I think it would help him but he doesn't want to do it look everybody knows Donald Trump is tough whether he's negotiating against xiangping or he's standing up to Vladimir Putin or whatever it is everyone knows he's tough he's the boss of bosses that everybody knows but you know Pierce we had him in a setting just last week in Wisconsin with the former congresswoman from uh Al from Hawaii Telsa gabard where she sat there and asked him questions in a town hall format and these questions were heartfelt she talked about her experience with IVF not something that we often talk about in the campaign Trail he listened intently and then had the opportunity to answer questions from people in the audience who were struggling that's where I want to see Donald Trump continue to go the rallies are amazing we've seen so many of them the tens of thousands of people turn out to support him but those special moments when he goes over and he talks to someone and he listens intently and then tells that person what he's going to do to make their lives better that's something that I want to continue to portray he's doing a town hall tonight with Shan Hannity but more than that I think as this campaign progresses over the next nine weeks you'll see those very regularly Donald Trump's opportunity to interact with everyday Americans and hear what their plights are and what he can do to fix it what are his biggest faults well look biggest fault is is he's always right which he is most of the time that's not a fault but but here's the other thing is being always right is not a fault come on you know him better than anyone you outlined his qualities what are the perfectionist you know he's a tremendous perfectionist and he demands Perfection from everybody else around him uh and that puts an enormous stress on the team and that's okay because I think he deserves that Perfection and I don't ask anybody on this team to work harder than Donald Trump I just asked them to work as hard as he does and you know this he's up early he's working all the time there's no off switch on Donald Trump you know I we flew back after RFK Jr endorsed him from the west coast and we didn't land till about 3 o' in the morning on the east coast and he said okay let's meet at 7 a.m. tomorrow and let's get going again you know for many people they can't maintain that level of intensity but that's all he knows is intensity all “All he knows is intensity all the time” the time this debate is going to be massive as the last one was the last one was historically consequential Joe Biden pulled out after it because he was so useless in that debate and it was embarrassing to watch um how's Donald Trump going to play it against carel Harris they've never debated before it seems to me that since Biden quit Trump has slightly struggled to work out the best way to attack carela Harris well for 90 minutes it's him and her uh has he worked out the correct strategy do you think well Pierce what's amazing is that these two IND individuals have never met that goes to show you just how ineffective Met look I think the only time they've ever been in the same room is when she attended the State of the Union speeches that he delivered when he was the president that goes to show how ineffective she's been as a US senator no interaction and bipartisan negotiations on a number of major issues including providing the last the largest tax cut in American history she was nowhere to be found so we're going to see what that looks like and and here's what it comes down to pierce most of the American people don't really know which Camala Harris is going to show up on the debate stage is it going to be the one who's against fracking in Pennsylvania as she pledged or the one that's now in favor of it is it going to be the one who said the wall was a vanity project or the one who now says no I'm going to build the wall is it going to be the one who said Donald Trump destroyed the economy and supported by nomics before she's against it or is it going to be the one who said I now support no tax on tips before she was against that so this debate this 90minut opportunity and I hope the moderators are fair and let the candidates have their discussions but this debate is going to be the first time the American people are actually going to see Camala Harris because she's been employing the same tactics that Joe Biden did which is for 45 days she gave 18 minutes and 36 seconds of an interview to Dana Bash and that's spend the sum total of her time talking to the media it's shameful and the media should be held accountable for it it is but it also worked for Joe Biden in 2020 he won he won the election I mean are you not concerned that this is actually a winning you may not like it but it is a winning strategy but here's the difference piers in 2020 we're in the middle of the covid pandemic and what we saw was a massive increase of absentee ballot voting those dropboxes were used no validation to the signatures we know that I mean let's not kid ourselves the in in 2016 the average uh Dropbox received and rejected about 3% of the ballots that were put in there in 2020 while the increase was 10x through rejection rate went to 0.3 because they no longer validated the signatures they just took them and we saw record numbers of people voting because of Co we're going to go back to where things normally stand now which means people are going to have to show up they're goingon to have to prove that they're legal citizens and that gives us the opportunity once again to implement our ground effort turn our people out make sure that we have a free and fair election and we know that if that's the case it's too big to rig Donald Trump is going to win so she can't hide forever and the media has to put some pressure on her to start answering some real questions car Harris is going to come after him hard about abortion she's made that pretty clear what is Donald Trump's position on abortion well I think he's been very What is Trump’s position on abortion? clear he appointed three US Supreme Court Justices who ultimately led to the overturning of roie Wade to put this issue back to the States because the states are the Laboratories of democracy and here's what happens now people in most of these states are given the privilege to go to the ballot and vote for what they want every State's going to look a little different and what we've peers in this country is States like Kansas and Ohio which have historically been conservative states are continuing to give women the right to have an abortion up until a certain date it's on the ballot in Florida what Donald Trump has said was let's let the people decide we should no longer be dictating at the federal level what is the best policy for everybody and that's how the system is supposed to work we are a you know a constitutional republic you get to go and vote you get to decide what's best for your state and what may happen in Massachusetts may look very different than my home state of New Hampshire how did Donald Trump persuade you to come back and work on the campaign you know Pi like like you he and I have been friends for a long time How did Trump persuade you to come back? and he called me and he said Corey you know would you ever think about coming back and I had a great life I have a great life with my kids and my wife up in New Hampshire but Pi I'm concerned about the history of our country the the the the future of our country and I said to my four children who were all high school age or younger I said I will see you in nine weeks at the time it was 12 weeks I said I will see you then because if I don't do everything I can to help save this Republic I don't know who will and I truly believe as a patriot as a family of uh a military family our entire lives if Donald Trump isn't the next president of the United States that we will cross a precipice that we'll never be able to come back from I spoke to him a week after he was shot uh he rang me and we had a very uh good chat and at the end of it I said I'd love to do another interview with you uh president Trump we've done over 40 together now he absolutely let's do it you're now one of the key men on his team can we get a date in the diary listen I'd love to have it I know you've always been fair to the president we've had some back and forth a few times but you've always been a fair honest broker so if it's up to me the answer is yes we've got 60 two days to go I don't know if you're going to be back over here anytime soon can be on a plane in three microc seconds Cory you say the word I'm flying well let me find some time and we'll get back to you I'd love to do it it'd be great it'd be good to see you nice to have you back on on sens good to talk to you thank you well with a view from the opposite side of the spectrum I'm joined by Tim Miller the host of The Bull workk podcast a formerly communications director for Jeb Bush who Tim Miller joins reacts to Lewandowski’s interview of course Trump famously called low energy in the 2016 presidential campaign well great to see you Tim um you listening to that what did you make of it beerus I gotta tell you that was one of the most absurd interviews I've ever had to watch in my life and I just can't even believe that I had to sit through it I just took a couple notes Here Trump was tough standing up to XI Jen ping really he totally folded to XI Jen ping during Co did nothing to try to push back on him at all Donald Trump really behind the scenes cares about what the right things to do are that he's a listener that he's listen he listens to people like this is just ridiculous we all know him that his biggest flaw is that he's a perfectionist I mean do you read his bleats he doesn't even spell things correctly but the most important thing I want to pick on is that little exchange you had about oh oh it's so surprising they've never met do you know why Trump and KLA Harris have never met Pierce did you think have you thought Why have Trump and Kamala Harris not met yet? about it for a second do you know why they really haven't met tell me because he was a toddler and he threw a temper tantrum after he lost a fair election and for the first time in America since the Civil War we did not have a peaceful transfer of power we did not have a ceremonial transfer of power with the former president like a man goes and stands on the stage and greets the next incoming president where he helps the incoming team with a transition where the where the vice president's team meets with the other that didn't happen last time because Donald Trump attempted a coup and he had a temper tangum and he flew home to maralago just to go golf all of cougar on the to be clear all of which I that's what happened that's why they haven't met he tried to C well to be clear at the time I heavily criticize him for all the things you've just said uh but that doesn't explain why sure but Cory low comes on your showe and he's like oh Donald Trump and KL haven't met well hang on oh my goodness that's so interesting they met and then Cory's over there saying it's because com is ineffective as a senator no it's because Donald Trump was supposed to be a dealmaker didn't meet with any of the democratic centers he said he was going to be the art of the deal man but he didn't try to actually do any deals all he did was insult people on Twitter and then after he lost to kamla Harris fair and square and Joe Biden he didn't have the dignity have a transfer of power for the first time in in American history just shameful embarrassing an embarrassment I've just said I agree with you so let's park that to one side well but you didn't say it to Cory you didn't challenge Cory it was a very interview I know you want to get Trump on the show but it was very chummy you didn't challenge much can be chummy too I don't think I've been un chumy to you I don't even know you I know know we can be chummy that's a close adviser to Donald Trump on the Pod you think that you could challenge him a little bit that's I was I was just going to ask you this question the point that he made Cory leowski was it was surprising to him they'd never met given that Trump was President for four years before the transfer of power January thises that you're talking about why was kamla Harris is one of the 100 senators in the United States at the time why was she incapable of being able to get into a room with Donald Trump the president how was she not invited why did the president not invite her to the White House why didn't she make inv ran come on Donald Trump ran on this BS nonsense and come on this show I'm the art of the deal man I'm a deal maker which was a which is a book he didn't even write that got ghostwritten it was this fake persona it was this Hollywood Persona that he he conned the American people into believing that he was some deal maker then he gets in the white house and he doesn't even try to work with the Democrats on a deal all he does is insult them he get he does nicknames you know uh he trashes them he didn't they didn't he didn't cut any deals Donald Trump Joe Biden ended up being the deal maker btis deal on gay marriage on infrastructure so that's why KLA didn't go to the White House he didn't he didn't never invite her how about that well yeah I would try that if I was a Senator I'd have made sure I'd got invited um but let me ask you I'm curious about your own Journey you were Going from Republican to Democrat Jeet Bush's guy Republican and now you're a Democrat how does that happen well I'm not a Democrat I left the party in 2020 very good timing I thought um in about November of 2020 after the election I was hopeful throughout 2020 I was hopeful that we could get our party back from Donald Trump and get back to a more classical liberal traditional party that had a respect for the the rule of law they had to respect for our allies abroad International relationships had to respect for immigration and the Immigrant story and how that's an important part of America I was hoping could get back to that kind of compassionate conservatism after 2020 and then what happened was Donald Trump lost and and he threw an extended temper tantrum and rather than standing up to him rather than doing rather than telling him Sir Mr President it's time for you to accept your loss and move on all of the Republicans basically went along with it and everybody like participated in this absurd lie and this absurd fantasy where where every Republican was like yeah we we're worried about the voting machines and I was so disheartened and disorient dis dis uh discouraged by that that I wrote an article saying I was leaving the party it ended up being totally correct over the next five years that now everyone who spoke out against Trump like Liz Cheney and Adam kiner has been Thrust out of the party and people who are like embarrassing clowns are are are made to not to be the nominee of our party and like Mark Robinson in North Carolina or k Lake in Arizona simply because they're willing to suck up to Donald Trump it's it's not a it's not a traditional conservative or a classically liberal party anymore it's an embarrassment it's a cult of one man and and I was I'm very happy to leave it and I think everything that's happened over the last five years has validated all of my criticisms of of the party but you really look at kamla Harris and think she's the one that's going to beat Trump cuz I Do you really think Harris is going to beat Trump? don't well um I I mean she's beating him in the polls right now that's not true I I talked to Nate Silva yesterday from 538 he's obviously number crunched every poll imaginable he says it's basically completely 50/50 neck and neck if you look at it he said literally you can't there a little bit of paper so she's not beating him in the polls and the truth is I I fear for the Democrat side I fear that what is going to happen on the 10th with this debate is that Trump is going to win I think he's going to be too overwhelming for Carl Harris to do with I might be wrong and we'll get you back the next day if you like and discuss no we yeah I'd love to we have kind of an agreement on that I'm nervous fears I'm nervous I'm not over I'm sorry I'm not over here saying I think the Democrats are going to win a landslide I don't I think it's a very close election I think that KLA Harris has surprised a lot of people with the way that she's conducted herself in the campaign over the first six weeks I think she's offered a very compelling message I thought her convention honestly there were times at her convention it could have been the John McCain convention with her appeals to you know kind of American strength and American patriotism their USA chance their tra and so I think that she tried to appeal to the big middle of the country I think the debate's going to be tough Donald Trump is a very good debater there's some liberals who out there think Donald Trump is his brain is mush and he's a terrible debater I I don't think that I watched it with Jeb I saw it coand I think he's a good debater I think and I think that she has a tough challenge ahead of her if she loses the If she loses the debate, does she lose the election? debate does she lose the election I don't I don't think so I mean look they're very there's there very few debates that are knockout punches you know what we saw in June was an aberration not the norm you know you don't see that very often usually it's a mixed bag with some some you know some people thinking one one some thinking the other one so I no I don't think that that the debate is make or break I think it's very important I think that a lot of the American people want to see that she can stand up to Trump you know and then see that she's up for this yeah and uh you know because she's still getting introduced and so I think it's very important to her for sure yeah Tim Miller host of The Bull podcast out of New Orleans congratul talk to you thanks pierus