Coach Cole - AFL

[Music] good he guys and welcome to fancast where we have a proper 40 chat we're here at the wonderful St kilder uh sporting club here a lot of history here at the club and we are so grateful to be here good day fan casters and welcome to another episode here on the potty where we have a proper footy [Music] chat we are joined today on the bench yes it's a bench I keep being positively reminded by Dave our producer that it is a bench not a couch or a chair I still have to get that through my head joining us on the bench is a familiar face of course Steve how's it going my friend yeah going good Joe going good uh great to have a special guest on you and uh yeah I'm feeling pretty pumped yeah as you would be happy happy boy happy happy team at haon yes as you guys can see yeah he's wearing wearing the shirt oh yes but we are not to be out staged because we got another Dawn yes a true dawn here on the couch we've got coach Cole how's it going thanks for having me fellas you're right a dawn of football yes and I I love this this uh jacket as soon as I walked in I was like this is what I work to build back in the early 90s me and she worked on the Prototype as you can see mine doesn't have the estim logo no it is the original we sold it to the bombers uh but uh good to see it being used still to this very day Joe love it hey I love wearing this every chance I get you can feel it you can feel it this is all your Blood Sweat and Tears it is it is me Alan eard Paul vanderark Kieran spawn Michael Werner we're all involved in that prototype unreal yeah love it mate good to see and Steve the old Hawthorne man over here yeah no no um yeah going up against my co-host as an and supporters uh we we always have a bit of a gag but um no no happy with the Hawks at the minute and uh yeah it's great to have you on mate thank you for coming on my absolute pleasure guys it's good to be here having a nice beer with you with you with you all you both at home as well Che some trady beers tray beers I'll get into one very shortly don't you worry we won't get into you you guys had a good win on the weekend we we sure did and uh it's just it's just good seeing a few wins on the board um playing a lot better over the past five six weeks so that's really promising after pretty poor starts of the year but I feel like after last week's very disappointing result I'd rather see that and then learn from then like get belted by 70 like against Sydney like at least for three quarters we played good footage just didn't execute at the end but I think we showed a lot of maturity in um when Brisbane were challenging us and getting back into the side of hood Brisbane are a very good side uh it's really good to see the maturity of the young side to just keep backing themselves in and uh build a bit of a lead so I'm very happy with my boys at the minute it doesn't matter if you're young we've seen a 93 you could be a younger you can be a young team and you can still get some some dubs over some better opposition exactly we've seen it baby bombers 93 I think Collingwood in 2010 were a young side as well and I agree with you I think the the Hawks are maturing sami's got him playing good footy as you said disappointing week last week but they were you know they should have won that game but they've bounc back and uh as you said when brisban were challenging they had the answers that's a sign of a maturing side I think Samy's uh coaching them well yeah I've been very impressed by Sammy early days in his coaching career so I just got to hope it continues yeah he's got someone he can look up to here in coach he's another fulltime exchanging phone call you know as the Director of coaching for the AFL I'm always on the hot dial for all the coaches so yeah Sammy does hit me up every now and then and yeah was I said to him last week mate just back on the horse you know that was one week at a time and just get out there and and do your best not only are you making prototypes with these you're making prototypes with the cliches one week at a time now are you he's all over it that was mine yeah I've trademarked that one one week at a time yeah develop the patent and then trademarked it yeah he's all over it mate it's absolutely flying as are our boys we're talking a little bit off air about it the bombers are flying we're second on the ladder even if we lose this week against the Suns we are guaranteed to still be no lower than third on the ladder if you don't mind but we do have a tough contest coming up the Suns they can't win South of the Border unfortunately we're playing them north of the border and that's where they're good yes so we're going to learn a lot about our boys in the next couple weeks I think this is this is going to be a testing time for us and we're going to see are they the real deal or not the next month I know you're saying the next four but I think the next next month that's really going to tell us where they are are they a Premiership Contender or are they a Premiership Pretender that's what we're going to find out but nevertheless when was the last time we' seen him second on the ladder this this far into of the season I've never seen he this good in my life I been 01 I'm going to say when they they lost to Brisbane that year but or the last time they would have been second on the this far into the season 2001 the last time we have had this many losses come round 11 was 2000 is that right oh that's right it's written in the star what happened that year don't we it's written in the stars what a team that was a 2000 team unbelievable all those guys there he had heard Lloyd Lucas blumfield Heenan Buick Wallace Wilman Solomon Mark Johnson Jason Johnson Oh reman ascus What A Team you keep talking in my and the pants don't don't pan down you you got to stop now coach you got stop you got to be excited make Dre here but you're making me Dream well I mean you look at the side now they they've got the the prototypes of those that team the two you got Zack Merritt there yep you know and calling the troops there great Skipper yep and uh you know who you got in the backline now playing well mate Nick Martin yeah look at this amazing unbelievable it's been a master strike by Brad Scott bringing him across from the wing we are getting a little bit of injuries now but him playing that halfback R been so Sensational Ridley came back into the side on the weekend and he just reminded everyone how good he is marks and he could do it all he could do it even kick the goal from 50 m out if you don't mind his first ever set shot goal I thought I thought 2020 on the I thought 2023 round one remember when he kicked a goal was on the Run oh he was on the run for that was he that was his first ever shot in his career get rid of that game out of my head he's been out for a while hasn't he like he won the BNF though not long ago was it 2020 yeah he won a couple of years ago correct so it's been a while and I think like you said just reminding everyone how good he is because you forget you know when players have that extended period away what a great inclusion you know unbelievable and his joining forces of course Ben maai looking to be one of the best recruits of the offseason I know everyone's like oh you shouldn't be paying that much money for him blah blah blah but he's now officially doubled his winning record he's been at he's been who was at North Melbourne for seven years yeah for eight wins he's now come to the bombers by round 11 he's already matched that eight wins in 72 games like that's just that's just crazy how mted is that I just find that crazy and isn't his contract front loaded anyway where it is where it's like I mean he's getting like a lot of money this year like I think it's 1.2 or three but then after that it's like they've done it really smartly where yeah they can just paying 600 or whatever 700k a week yeah they learning from you learn from you you can't be a fulltime Premiership about the algorithms you know jalong and Sydney do it well they've been doing it for 20 years that's why they've stayed on top there's a structure there's a system they're not just going willy-nilly giving players contracts for seven years 20 years well they did it with buddy but you know it was successful man buddy buddy's worth it he's wor some people say that he's the greatest forward of all time oh he's up there probably you know plugger yeah you know yeah dun they're up there buddy they're all in the conversation dun definitely had some great Supply though yeah he did he he did he have hitting him up Johnny platon yeah Johnny platon uh Darren j y unbelievable Dipper all all these absolute guns Matthews of course unbelievable hey speaking of Dipper it was in one of your videos in your your yes you're World of Sports mate New World of Sport that's right Joe uh shot that series last year looking to do it again maybe leading it in the into the finals but Dipper was a a great mate and he featured in the in the episode so check it out of the New World of Sport you can watch the the season last year and see what we got up to a lot of hings it was fun it we had Dippa we had richo we had Cuda oh that's L ball you know Byron picket it was great yeah that was that was so good I think Dippa was in that Byron picket that was a great episode so yeah guys if you haven't you got to check out the new world sports coach Cole on YouTube so so good comp I I bowled myself laughing man it was so good especially the bombers one in the 93 preim when you came in to save the day that was so good I did yeah she's hit me up at half time I think the bombers were down by seven goals against Adelaide uh prelim final 93 and he's like Cole we need your help and uh luckily I had a concoction that I keep but uh help the bombers uh win the game so you can check that one out that's a true story uh yeah the 93 prelim the 93 PR we had to come back there was one guy I'm not going to mention who he is he was best on ground come halime then you've uh you've rectified you've rectified that real quickly exactly exactly and interestingly Joe when you were talking about Ben Ben mcki before yeah is it Mai or McKay I say Ben mcki Ben M Ben M Ben M but his brother's Harry McCay uh I say Harry maai I say maai I say m be Diva no yeah not that good he's not that good I'm just kidding well what I was saying is just piing you you were saying this the stat about he's won more games now than he has in Old career at North would something similar apply then to Brad Scott or that's exactly what happened with Brad Scott yeah I believe so so ever since Brad has left uh North Melbourne he's now actually got the same number of wins as the entire football club at North Melbourne je all the coaches have come after Brad Scott he has got the same number of wins as all of them in his short stin now at the bomb as he matched that win the entire win count unbelievable and they've won like two games in a season and a half so it's like a lot of these wins would have also come from Ray Shaw and that H from Ray Shaw specifically because he had a little honeymoon period he did uh after Brad Scott left but then after that after the what who took over was that Rollings no I no ring is the list manager over there no it was um so it was very short up until 2021 I believe and then David no no yes that's right then clar and he was very un nobly sacked he was he was yes he was unceremoniously sucked un it happens in the coaching game that's the part of the racket but um actually speaking of um Essen and North Melbourne connections guys I should mention yes I don't know if if you read last week but Barry Davis big big Legend of North Melbourne and endon passed away he was uh he he played in the premierships in ' 62 and 65 then of course he was in North Melbourne's first ever Premiership in 75 as a player and uh just want to take the time to acknowledge a great of our game and that that connection between Esten and North melbour yeah absolutely so raise a glass there for Barry Davis Barry Barry this is to Barry cheers s Barry that'll do come on you what are you doing ah anyway that's that's my one two cents no it's we we shouted out um cam mcarthy when he passed away yes as well it's always great definitely need to appreciate and pay pay respect uh and homage to all of the Great have play this game it's really important uh doesn't matter if you're a Premiership player or not you know like McCarthy wasn't for example still important there is more to life than just football but I guess we can say that even beyond that so there's more to life than football there's also the last couple of weeks of football has been also paying homage and respect to our indigenous community in this great country ofs sir Doug Nichols round started off as only one week you know what this is too good let's double it we have two weeks now so Doug Nichols rounds I guess you can say and it was so great to see all the ceremonies so well done again to the AFL doing a great job that I guess we can sort of talk about I mean see as we're talking about that now do you have do you have a favorite indigenous player that you've seen play the game oh jeez I'm putting you on the spot here and there's so many of them wasn't in the pre meeting no no well look I had to keep a little bit close to my chest I look I love Dale kick it yeah I called it I yes I love Dale I love Dale because he played he spread his love across many different clubs he did you know it was the Eagles Dockers the bombers and kilder he was all over and uh Claremont in the waffle and he never complained about travel did he no he didn't what's going on now what is going on with the TR but I say Dale kick it it was a brilliant player love the bloke uh but there's there's many there's too many it's like asking me what my favorite uh Beatles album is you know exactly I just wouldn't be able to give you a direct answer there's so many how about you guys I'll go with you I'll go go first all right I already know what he's going to say I feel like what's your what's your guess then chance bitman no he's gonna go seral yeah if you were going to chase I was gonna go Ser I was going to mention three and chance was actually one of them I I uh growing up as a kid uh chance bitman in his dread with his dreadlocks and just running around on the wing called the rat what was he called the rat no changa oh cha yeah uh sorry that's platin just so hairstyle yeah platin yeah so beautiful to watch I remember when I first um got invited to join a junior basketball team and I was seven years old and uh I wanted to pick Chang as number number 10 and uh yeah so he's certainly up there but then also I mean uh for me it's hard to go past sirel and buddy just two absolute excitement machines buddy we really haven't seen a key forward like him before that um and then sirel just the absolute magic he could create on the field is just amazing and then uh speaking more current day I love Jam imp Carl Amon like that Chad Wingard so yeah there is a lot of indigenous Talent out there um yeah and hon have been very lucky to have a few how about you Joe mate coach Cole did a great job yeah he did a ripper holding himself in to not name every single indigenous player he knows next thing we know he's listed all of all all of the indigenous players from War's history yeah he he said kick it uh shared the love across the clubs I shared the love as well for your for your CL sharing that's the opposite of sharing uh look of the most of of an indigenous play that I've seen is of course Anthony McDonald Woody he's he's he's the most I've seen obviously I would have led to have seen more from Irving mosquito yes thought he was had a lot of potential a lot of hopes unfortunately it was really sad to see his career go down uh Courtney Dempsey actually also I think is a someone that doesn't get mentioned at all and the only ever time we see Courtney Dempsey with the is with the flick kick over the yeah it's in that video of how do you learn how to play the game and for some reason they add the little uh kick flip that I've never seen before no one's ever done it since or before he's the only one I think that's and they've got learning the AFL rules video like that's a normal thing although although Matthew Lloyd did kick a goal with his back heel I do remember that on the radio if you don't mind he's got year not talking about we not talking talking about indigenous our indigenous players so yeah definitely in the90s in the 90s amazing indigenous players Gava lat not many people remember but an amazing talent you know in in the 90s and sheeds was a great Ambassador for indigenous players yep 100% so now was great that the dream time of the G has really taken taken hold obviously we had Anzac there not too long ago man Shades was an absolute revolutionary I swear like he just had this foresight for the game really made it into the absolute spectacle that it is today um did you I know you helped them with this did you help them any of those games as well oh yeah was throughout the 90s 80s I was always there helping sheeds in the background as I said a gun for higher you know a lot of the early 90s I was up at the Brisbane Bears helping uh helping them up there getting settled and helping guys like Richard Champion Mark sonen you know Roger Meritt came across from the bombers so look I'm just always available as as an expert let's keep talking about the Brisbane now yes because they they're not doing too hot shot we mentioned your boys had a great win it was against those very same Brisbane lines that we're talking about now not the Bears anymore they look like they're playing like bears in hibernation mode at the moment is at the way they're going unfortunately they're just not uh yeah yeah I thought that was pretty good you can you can on the back for myself there but know what's going on with Brisbane man they just is it just because that you guys are their bogey team or is it that you know things are falling off the wheels here off off the TR well I think part of it is because I don't know we haven't lost him in 5 years I don't know what's going on with that just really weird bogey team um another thing I wonder if that uh uh preon yeah that old Vegas trip might have something to do with just the chemistry on field and uh yeah a few players uh maybe not seeing eye to eye with their teammates and uh yeah I just wonder if that has anything in back of brisbane's Minds at the minute you got to be careful with these devices these days because when you know back in the day when we used to hit the clubs you didn't have that you know we we had to keep an eye out obviously for guys like Mike she that used to come in undercover and try and get a story but you know they couldn't just snap a photo like they could these days yeah you know so you got to be careful with the old whatsapps and the old uh what are they called zooms and you know all those things so you know what you know as I say what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas but obviously that didn't work for for Brisbane no clearly it didn't I mean we didn't see much on camera but certainly A lot's been discussed and uh I think with the way they've the season has started for them before the B I think it's fair to bring that uh as a potential reason as to why I mean it's just another team that once again has fallen short in the Grand Final and then bombed capitulated capitulated the following year you know what I mean like it's it's crazy to see how many teams make it all the way to the Last Dance fall short and then next year they have this massive regression it's we've seen it too many times for it to be just purely coincidental we've also added of course the Las Vegas what happened in Vegas did not stay in veg this time unfortunately um also I think they're coping it pretty lightly to be honest because when you're in Victoria there is that media as you're saying M you know you never know who's popping up Tom Morris Caroline Wilson coming in there 100% with a gas bill unpaid your neck um so you never know what you're going to get these days and it doesn't have to be a news reporter it could just be anyone out there street that takes the shot puts it up on Twitter or Instagram I have to deal with this every day coming out my house Paparazzi hiding in the bushes want to get The Latest Scoop you know you just go it's ridiculous and uh but coming back to Brisbane they have been on top for a long time they have right and I just feel like maybe that Premiership window is just starting to narrow a bit it might be you know I think it's it's diminishing as we speak no one's up and about forever everyone has their has their time in the sun has their turn to have unless you're jalong or Sydney right thing i' like to sorry before we head into the next but one thing I'd like to mention as well with Brisbane I know we've been talking about injuries a little bit here I reckon they've had a re I'm not say I'm I know they're a bloody good team but I reckon that there's been a 5-year period where they've had a really nice run of being healthy and now that the injuries are starting to come starting to test depth playing players they wouldn't originally play and uh maybe that's just catching up to them as well so um uh yeah but they're not going as bad as jalong well we say that but jalong still hiire them on the ladder no I don't care you just all right we long bias who have they got this uh this weekend uh they've got Richmond so that a good time if they lose that then you've got to be asking questions I think you know there's a chance that they can cuz they have lost a couple of close ones didn't they they lost to UHS four points or whatever and it wasn't was it Adelaide I can't remember the other one uh the other Port adade where they nearly came back and won and then um uh their first loss of the season was against Melbourne where they lost by about eight points I think so three of there four have actually been really close but that goal Coast game was terrible and what's concerning is they're losing at home which which has been a formidable Stadium to play at for many years and now it's just G it away that's that's that's where I think the concern is coming in and gws as well they've won four games in a row at gmhba Stadium at cadin Park which I don't think any side's ever done before win four games in a row at jong's Ground unev um I think Port Adela won their first game there uh this year for the first time since 2007 so just uh yeah a bit of Carnage going on with jalong um is yeah do questions start need need to be asked with uh Tom Hawkins potentially now look he just broke the the game's record holder all the best well done well first of all well done Tommy but getting old as just saying he's he's been injured a bit hasn't he in and out of the side so look this could be his last year but what a champion you gotta you got to let Champions go out on their own terms and you know he absolutely one of the best key forwards I've seen just been he's been aging like fine wine and if this is the last year then uh best of luck to Tommy but uh yeah just absolute Beast of a k forward 15 years early and I know you you you know put the PN on on on the saying one week at a time but I think I think Tom Hawkins put got a patent onto him in the ru contest in the forward 50 oneon-one puts it under the ball turns around and snaps a goal how many times have I seen if I had a dollar for every time Tom Hawkins KCK the goal out of the r Rock in the forward line I would not be recording this podcast let just say it would be a very um it would be a very you're not I still would be Dave it's all right I still would be I'm just trying to get back at him that's all I'm do but honestly massive well done on on a career we're not going to say that he's completely done obviously I Believe In You Tommy if you're listening and you're watching I believe in you mate I think it's a long season and you know there's there's time still so agreed Y and it need needs time for Dangerfield to come back into that Midfield three you know what about what the clubs are doing now guys are they're putting a tag on Tommy Stewart that's it right this is a new Ploy that we've been noticing or Trend in the last sort of 3 to four weeks where clubs are now identifying the danger that this man is running off the half back line and they're putting a tag on a bman yes y James Jordan from The swans was being used in that exact same way tagged luy Whitfield out of the game again we did the same thing or you know end did the same thing when it comes to sending guy over to to run to with locky field so I think it's now being recognized that the the ball movement from your half backline is so important if you can quell that and get the repeat inside 50s goes a long way to kick win on a think Xavier oin tagged Tom sh last week as well got a couple of light marks but um I thought he did a really good job as well uh but uh crisis becomes opportunity with uh in some circumstances and I reckon with some of this tagging going on I reckon Zack G has just gone to another level as a player hasn't resulted in the winds as of late but I think Zack Guth is are very under probably the most underrated player in the game just about at the minute so shout out to zachie yep because that's just the seems to be the new way that the game is being played you're not really putting in too much attention into on Ballers because if you were I mean even then I was about to say if you were you'd put a straight to um to Chad Warner because he's an absolute fire but then again if you tag Chad Warner who's going to step who's going to stop is you know what I mean like it's if you don't if you don't you know send someone Isaac heene then maybe Errol goldenone who pops off like that that Sydney Swans team they are absolutely at the moment and I think I think you're you're right Joe there that set up from the halfback that almost like a quarterback isn't it he that intercept player and then from there you create the the game strategy from that position it's just underrated but that's the way the games play these days and teams are identifying it and they're working to negate that as a strategy and it's working me look at July and I think the Stan rule as well um has certainly opened up that opportunity even more for attacking football and uh that's why these sort of Defenders are more important than never now um so I think teams are just looking to quell that at the minute I think it's important also that where the intercept happened is really important so you can take an intercept Mark deep into in deep in your backline and you're not really going to get much bounce out of it when you're so far behind but if you're taking intercept marks like Jordan Ridley was on the weekend for example taking it around the middle of the ground or just at the back of the Center Square from there you can then launch a long kick inside 50 very quickly or you can pass it to someone running to break a line the line being broken isn't deep in your defense it's actually in the middle of the ground which is a really that's why it's so important as well to really lock it inside your forward 50 because sides are just really going to want it to get out of there but then as you said if you have BL like Ridley taking the mark in the middle of the ground coming right back in and uh I think that helps a lot as as well just really trying to lock it in your forward 50 yes for teams y we've seeing the evolution of the game happening and I think the Sydney Swans are leading that because they''re not cuz not just forwards like it like it was at jalong where you have your Tom Hawkins and your Jeremy Cameron like if they're not firing where are the goals coming from you're looking at the Sydney Swans and you've got um you know Warner and hany golden all three of these guys capable of kicking multiple goals from the Midfield man like Co kicking mids are worth their Wai in unbelievable yeah I was at the game I was at that game uh and yeah Chad Warner's third quarter blew me away unbeliev just took control it took charge of the game uh dominated that that Midfield but um you know went forward took that great Mark oh you contend that one unbelievable am Marty played well you know they've got a focal point up there now which is great but then guys like papley front and center you know that goal he kicked off the like a sissor kick goal un you know again fascinating to see as you're saying the evolution of the game and and how we're not relying on those key forwards like we used to 10 years ago you know absolutely I mean they're just a world machine the swans I mean it's going to be hard to see I mean I know we're only nearly halfway through this season but it's it going be really hard to see if a side can Challen Sydney like who could be a type of side that could cause Sydney a bit of grief by Richmond that was just the weirdest loss of ever seen yes no that Richmond team came to play against s on at dream time very happy that got got the Escape there but you're right the way they're flying at the moment it almost just seems like the only team that will stop Sydney from winning is themselves if they were to it's that blood's culture too isn't it that that inner hardness they've still got that in their system y John John Longmire is just doing a fantastic J job I mean yeah I'm just trying to think of a side in my head who could really who who could push it to them the most I'm going to say if they get their [ __ ] together gws could be that side yep they've what they showed last year I think they were the best side last year even though they didn't win the Premiership y I agree the way they played with that GR that toughness that never die attitude I think uh if they can get it together they could be the team I wonder if J that sort of s as well where they're more of a finals team than a than a home and away team like that they're happy like we saw last year we're just happy to get in there just let us get involved and we'll go up against anyone so they could put themselves in fifth sixth just get us in the finals and we can cause a few upsets here like they nearly beat the premiers last year and they lost by a point so I don't I think I still think uh if if they can get healthy at the right time I still think Caron yeah I agree I think that type of side where you've because I one thing I will say about Sydney bloody good side they look a little bit short down back and you've got BLS like Francis that sort of type rampy mccarten well Franc would be out when with M back in the side yeah Blakey Orin if you could get Charlie Harry Crips Walsh santro Hal santro Hal yes maybe a bit of Robbie waro in there as well get some Jared back as well if they can if car can just get that main Cog healthy I think they they might be the side that type of side that could get him but um it's going to be but it's pretty tough at the minute it needs to be from the Midfield it needs to be a Midfield head-to-head where it's not the swans that are winning the ball and charging out it's and it it needs to be a Midfield group that are really quick at identifying we haven't got the ball and just switch into like super defensive mode to to stop them from running out the front of the stoppage from the center Square that's where the swans are at their devastating best uh and we saw it against and we saw it against you know the blues I thought the Bulldogs did a really good job against them last week at Marvel Stadium they did um because they got some great mids in there as well until you know Ed Richards unfortunately you know was the concussion for Ed Richards but you players like the bond for example just having some different looks in that Midfield to go head-to-head with these guys because as great as Warner is heit in the scoreboard I'm not entirely sure how great he is running the other way with tackling pressure for example so you need to have you need to be able to go head-to-head with them and win the ball at the source and beat them and I do think Carlton's Midfield is really up there I think the go Coast Suns also have a really good midi like they do they do like it who have you got there Anderson you got toke Miller yes I mean that's a hard Midfield as well hard Midfield wits tapping the ball witz is a great tap Ruckman he is so he that so the Suns in time they can still learning developing under Damen Hardwick if they can get that you know system down pat plus there's so many incredible Dusty Martin could be going there next Imagine throwing that in the mix hey that's what I've heard I heard he's going to play Dusty play 300 games in a couple of weeks then he retire for the rest of the year and then we'll go up next year that's what I've heard people as well not just not just dust there's more people more people isn't B going to go take take them all well it's it's all disintegrating there they got Benny GS now going to tazzy why get uz at this point as well take him over uz is if is he playing Scrabble at the moment so what what a great what a great hand that is in Scrabble U right up there with Ilia griggy [Laughter] get around them mate so yeah so it's some really interesting uh I suppose options there that who can go head-to-head with the swans moving forward and we can't discount Melbourne who were wonderful on the weekend absolutely beat The Living Daylights out of the Saints the saints were praying to God that day they they needed all the help they could get because the demons absolutely dominated where are the demons they're a bit hot and cold aren't they you think they're doing well you think these guys looking legitimate you know Premiership contenders and then they let you down the week later yeah four at the moment yes I know they are but are they playing like a top four side to be inconsistent a little bit inconsistent yeah I think they're still I think they're still a good side but it's like I don't know like that forward line I'm H this could be I said a couple of weeks ago the uh Giants were win by 40 plus against the dogs and that went the other way around yes but I'll make another call um that forward line isn't winning your Premiership I just don't think what's there van Ran Van Ryan's a very good uh Prospect but he's still be off um you got frit you've got they're trying to fix that with Peta forward more aren't they yeah patraca forward but then that LE who's the key Focus point it used to be McDonald and uh McDonald and brown brown but who's it who's it now it really there really isn't much vany probably as you van royan and um maybe they might oh Harry Harrison Petty who I don't think I think he had one good game forward and after that he just hasn't done too much he'll go to Adelaide next year anyway so um no I just can't see it with Melbourne I think they'll still be up there in September they could still make top four but I just think I just don't see them as a Premiership team at the minute well they can make top four but the Saints we can't see a making top eight at the moment can we they're in a world of hurt with no injuries either maybe not bottom mate the way they're going exactly no you're right because they had that had that horror run of injuries last year and they were still able to deliver correct and now they've got a full list and they're playing atrociously is he tanking I find it hard is Ross tanking that is the question we're asking you out there let us know is Ross lion tanking how's the vibe Ross Ross Army mate the vibe that is the litmus test we want to know I know he said he said our Vibe was just not there when he was applying for the bombers so I I just wonder if with silda we saw how good they were in the first half of the year and uh that was sort of their real honeymoon period and that's where they got most of their wins on the board remember last year first five or six games yeah they won five or six uh in a row then they came Sixth and I think they were like 13 and 10 or something like that and then I just even after the the midseason by last year I still thought they were uh like I know they're playing poorly now but back half of the year I thought they were playing a bit average I mean they just got I just sort of looked looked at them as a side and went they got in there because of their first half form and just didn't look like themselves and all the teams around them were losing as well no one they were losing but everyone around them was also losing no one wanted to play finals last year yeah and the only team that was really leaping up because they couldn't stop winning was the Giants yeah exactly so but we gave them a pass right because we could see they got a new coach the developing side correct they what's the excuses in it exactly what is the excuse are they tanking that's the question I asked that's a very good question like I think they're trying to get some draft Pi they don't have they don't have a lot of they don't really they're not you know chalk block pool of young Talent are they no you know even Filippo he's sort of taken a step back he's not quite you know that that high enthusiasm player that it was last year um they brought in Darcy Wilson I thought he's been one of their best players you know so far but really outside of him there's really no one that's young that's over there at at the I likeo Owens for the Saints but I do think they need to update his role yep um I mean their season's we can say is done now basically as well tank Ross yeah exactly even it's 40 even it's just for just 40% put him in the middle stop this second rut crap that he's doing put him in the middle let him cook see how goes throw give philipo a go inad this crap forward pocket roll if you're going to play him um and there's other guys wind Hager keep him in there um but I just think there's a few BLS just playing wi hag is great tell you what he's he's been working on his Mobility I've been watching him closely I've been working with a good good uh M of Mind Chris at 112 movement and wi hager's been working on his mobility and you can see it in the way he's playing he's playing really well yeah he is he is he certainly hasn't had he certainly hasn't dropped off like a few of his no Saints mates I think I mean Ry Marshall's trying his best think he was given a bath on the week he was oh yeah probably a bad week to bring it up he was given absolute B um yeah Max gor absolutely destroyed Rowan Marshall but um max Todd Marshall on the other hand absolutely dominated he kicked five goals five [Laughter] goals even even to P kicked the bag K the bag on on North Melvin we've spoken a lot about North melbour like I think I think I think North Melbourne's issues are very well documented but I just feel like when it comes to the Saints I don't know because they're not a big club and it almost feels like no one has any expectations for them so why does that mean that they get lit off the hook when it comes to scrutiny over them not being able to perform who s yeah like I because Ros buddy buddy buddy buddy with the media why Kan Kan KS brought it up and uh um there really hasn't been much scrutiny there and um here's a question I'll throw to you boys one of one of my mates asked this and uh we had an interesting dis discussion who is the closest to the Premiership silda North Melbourne Richmond North Melbourne you reckon North their kids are aate yeah tough one though it's the kids well let's talk about North so who are they who who's playing well on that side at the moment considering they're are they bottom of the ladder now they are she's l w Sherry Sherry yep um Nick L he does his absolute his absolute guts out correct i' I'd have Richmond at the bottom and then you'd probably go sildo and then and then North I Richmond are just you know they Lo lost all their Premiership Stars they're starting from scratch pretty much not just losing their Stars they're losing their their CEO everyone's gone yeah they're losing they the bottom of the he but then you've got uh look the Saints are tricky because they might have one of those Seasons you know where they a good year and they kind of fall off a bit and they regroup again really quickly they definitely have the out of those three teams they definitely have the best potential of doing that like they're still still on paper like a very solid side it's just we were talking about them as a world machine last year but this year just that's really Fallen away they'll finish higher than both North Melbourne and S than North melbour and Richmond this year there's no doubt about they probably will finish higher than them next year as well but the question is who is closer to a Premiership you have to be the best in it and I can't see s at this point in time with this current list being the best beating everyone and being the last team standing I just personally they've got a a few nice players for sure there's no doubt about it but they're just missing that Midfield depth if they can recruit another really important midfielder to go in there to help Jack steel out uh Crouch is going to return we might see an improvement from s there but I think that the youth coming through for North Melbourne if they can keep him together sheel Ward law um you know mcera we can get back on the puck um L ldu of course I they got a great Midfield going and I think they're going to pick up OE wines from for ad Luke Parker have heard as well yeah so so they're picking up either or luk Luke Parker or that Midfield all of a sudden gets them that senior leadership that knows what it's like to finish top four yes and that can change an entire culture plus you've got claro obviously you know all about him um so he's you know with his premierships and things like that so you start to then try and create a new winning culture Ross Li he's been there about but he's never won he's never he's never won he's had he's dealt with some good teams as as well like that that primon ker team in the late teens early 2010s were just one of the best sides to never win a Premiership but exactly what Joe said they had a they had players that were Marquee players they you had your revolts you know that's what comes with good drafting they tough like Lenny haes Lenny Hayes team of Champions in that side s Mont a lot of dep Steven M one of the best Smalls that ever play back line that would just you know come come off that half back that guilt who else was it I can't remember them all Sam Gilbert Sam Gilbert yes you know they don't have that they have the J train Once Upon a Time the J train so I don't think he's got that those real Marquee players does he no he hasn't quite got the well he nowhere near the nucleus that he had when when he first joined the Saints and then he which he inherited from Grant Thomas mind you exactly and then he took then he took over another thing I'd like to point out with sin kilder is and I think this comes the case with a lot of the side coming up because tazzy going to be entering the comp really soon that's where it makes it very tricky for S to where you go what way do we go we got to we either got to do this rebuild pretty quick or we just do what we did in uh 2019 we'll grab Dan Hanbury Brad Hill uh James froley sha mckernan no um but yeah it's a big decision to make I don't know what way they can go because I think either way could be the wrong decision but it's just a some thinking music for silda with with tazzy coming in because I think they're one of the sides in the most Strife when tazzy do come in y good call good call Steve good call very astute he's a very happy boy very happy very happy team at Hine we're a very happy panel here on the bench we'll see you after this after this little break stay tuned guys [Music] [Music] and we're back ladies and gentlemen hope you enjoyed your little intermission got to stretch your legs not really only was only a break for for 10 seconds for you guys we got well hydrated and we're going to continue to get well hydrated thanks to of course trady beers here ladies you've got it in the bottle in in the cup of course in the but I got to have it in the can because this is obviously going to be enjoy go for we are drinking the lugger but that's the pale L you can go with that Ste can I can I get you a ginger beer or are you good do you want to have a sip at least yeah I have a little sip come have a sip and then you can you know come over one of those all right I don't want Che yeah I'm an ambassador for the brand they're a great brand tra I love I love the team down there and very nice and uh I love their beers they're just delicious so I thought I'd bring some down and you guys can try it you got great underwear and great that's good yeah I like that that's actually really good thank you thank you very what you got to do when you drink a Trader beers you got the a little swirl ah yes that's brilliant that's brilliant that's brilliant that is ASMR as I was just looking at Jo waiting for him to do it yeah oh no I'm I'm too busy I'm too busy absorbing taste that's beautiful I like there you go so now we got something in common with Sam Draper which is we are featuring and something try related um that's true so the tips last week you w talking about the tips last week what were we talking about the tips last week were you talking about the tips last week I wasn't talking about the tips last week who was talking about the tips last week I think you got some tips on for us have I some tips have I you got some tips for okay I've got some tips did you have some tips for us from last week I know who had tips Mark Harvey had tips just have them in his hair that's right that's exactly got eight out of nine tips last week all right got eight this was a long build up here to get eight out of nine come on hit me up what's the first round his boys of course had to let us down and had to win against the L I'm shed did you tip your own boys no I didn't exactly there you go I've tipped us once this year against North n said all right we're going to start off first things off we got Thursday Night Football Port Adelaide are hosting the Carlton blues at Adelaide overal this is a big one it's a big one this what are the ins and outs we don't have them at this point but we do know Connor Rosie will not be playing that's a big a big out that's a big out Zack buts is he under a cloud or is he okay no buts is okay he's okay I'm leing towards the blues here for some reason I've got a weird I don't know I feel like Porter duw for a loss at the minute it they got lucky there didn't they last couple weeks or week yeah lucky to play against North Melbourne yeah and we know we we know Port can struggle a little bit with towards the the potential contenders so I I think I'm going to go Carlton but whether I actually stick with it uh come when I do my own tipping I'm not too sure but let's go I'm going to go Caron well look I'll go with you I think I think I'll tell you why because I'll be disappointed if they bloody lose because I feel like this is a must-win game for them to really submitting their credentials yep these are the kind of games they got to win and if they can't win this then they might as well tank like Ross that's that's what I reckon yeah so I'm I'm going to back them in because I think they are capable so don't let me down Blues okay that's I agree I I was going to go with the blues as well all right finally enough I think to lose oh no not this we not this time I did set up no this time this time the blues will win unfortunately I think their Midfield is going to be the Midfield do you re that's class is an upset or do you do you reckon I'm two very two very I mean normally when Port are playing at home you would you would side with port in most cases so I think I think we are tipping a bit of because it's one of those things where we if the roles were reversed if it was that Marvel we'd probably tip Carlton yes that sort of we're stillington now anyway going with the blues not to lose we're going the blues to win this time we then go Friday night football Collingwood host ing the Bulldogs at Marvel Stadium yep yes Collingwood home game it's a Collingwood home game at Marvel against dogs yes yep it makes things interesting all of a sudden I think I play well right didn't they yeah I find this one tough to tip as well almost backing in the Marvel tenant Bulldogs I reckon that would be an upset you reckon yeah Colwood have a a quite a long injury list at the moment as well you know they're missing a lot of key players Norton will be out though which will hurt the dogs a fair bit that is going to hurt them and they got Rory lob to come back in who wants to go home who wants to leave what's the chemistry like there is he going to play like he wants to play for the team he going to go stuff everyone I'll bring up my my market value and uh just cut sick going be a Mentos in a in a in a Pepsi bottle I'm going to tip the dogs wow that's up an upet that is an upset oh jeez I'm gonna go with Collingwood I do rate Collingwood but I don't know you know what I reckon it's Collingwood are going to get another draw wow three in one year here we go has that ever been done before three draws in a year we need a status dis can we pull up Champion data anyone here no yeah okay goog Good Luck Good Luck Dave to do that let's go for Collingwood for in another draw I'm sitting on the fence no I'm going I'm going to go with the pies to win I think the pies so we've all gone different yes yes I've never had someone tip a draw before you've stumped me coach well they had already had two this year what's to say they're not going to have another one why not lucky why not we then go to Saturday afternoon the Hawkers hosting Adelaide at the mcj I'm gonna come out and say Adelaide win this yes I'll go with you there on that one the one showed Great Signs but I think Adel just playing really good footy at the moment and uh they'll get the job done I I think I will go out light as well I was sort of you try not to uh I'll try not to let my bias dictate my tipping that's why I've only tipped hathor once this year um I I don't I don't know like I feel like we're in good form with the minute but I just think Adelaide it's that kind of game where I think Adelaide can uh get in front and and uh that's a winnable game for Adelaide so um I think I'm gonna go Adelaide as well but um I don't know I don't mind I don't mind our chances it could be closer than we think I don't think I'll be a smashing B I'll see you guys 145 satday at the G there you go he'll be there be or as dimmer says di not sorry dimmer Dipper be there be there and his in his Dem commercials you do it better than I do all right we then cross over to opta Stadium the Eagles hosting the Saints J tough he's a tough round of tipping I'm going the Eagles guys the Eagles have beat the Saints well look they had a good win a couple of weeks ago didn't they against Melbourne home they smashed them they got pumped by uh Adelaide in ad though in Adela but still again H who we're talking about who just can't seem to Eagles are hard to gauge like they could either get beled by 50 or put in a really good shift I'm going to go the Saints I just think that because of that very reason I know what you're getting from SEC is consistently [ __ ] but but not that bad that they can't win whereas Eagles you could go either way and it's just too inconsistent for me saints Saints could just win this one I reckon yeah um I find this I found a draw now I I I might just do cuz I can't separate who to tip here let's go the draw two draws in a round let's go can the draw what the hell is going on here it's a draw both the team love to see that on that where was that on would have been great no no no uh did you see Josh gallup's uh one of his tweets where he just combined fre on Collingwood songs together and then I forgot Callingwood song Good Old Callingwood for yeah I'll go to the draw so now it's your turn to do it in one of the last few games the opportunity arises I'm not tipping no drawers I I don't sit on no fence I only sip on the bench all right we then mve to Saturday night 7:30 p.m. the cats are hosting the Tigers at gmhba Stadium okay I mean yeah um the tig is for sure I'm I'm just don't hold me to that it's the cats for sure it's the cats here at home they they can't lose five in a row they have to win and you know Richmond aren't playing that well they're playing okay but they're at the bottom of the ladder nothing I'd love more than a Tigers win to put them five losses in a row but I am going to go with jalong by I think richond one of those teams where they put in a really good shift the previous week and then it just Falls me back down to earth I to go Jong 70 plus oh and of course then you look at it down the track oh ESS in a [ __ ] they weren't able to smash Richmond you look at the in those four four games that they played of course the one close game was against s but it's just the timing it's not just who you play it's also when you play exactly you've lost two games and your percentage is 103 no was 104 actually and we've won we we didn't lose we won so I'll have you know Mr smartass p and poo all right we then get to Sunday afternoon Melbourne hosting the Dockers in Alice Springs I Trager Park I always just think of a caravan park for some reason when when I read this it's not really a caravan Park but you know that would be fun this R will determine tipping like I reckon a chance to climb up if you're in a tipping league mean if it was at the G you tip mour but this mutal ground it was the G tip fro Foo beats Melbourne there I know a bogy side but haven't Melbourne or something lost two games in a row at in our Springs or I could be I could be wrong there I know that lost a Freo uh not Freo jws last year yeah jws was a good team yeah yeah they were so um well they are so the D hang on the D's lost to the Eagles at home in West they did they did then they beat silda yeah now they're playing a team just drew with Collingwood get in a mutual ground sorry uh what do you call that it's not mutual uh neutral neutral that's the word I was looking for neutral ground that is a that is a difficult tip that scream STW again you want me to tip a draw turn I'm not I'm I'm back in Melbourne where right this has another this has another upset written all over it I reckon I'm going the Dockers I'm going to go to the Dockers just because just because of the heat I think it's going to be hot up there I don't think we're getting eight of nine or what we did last yeah last week was great this week is going to be last game of the round Sunday at 4:00 if you don't mind it the suns are hosting the bombers at people first Stadium Gold Coast very tough the tip no this is the Suns I was going to say the Suns but you this is the Suns I think are due due for a loss as as uh well as they've started I think I think Suns will be breathing a bit of Fire they're very hard to beat at home um and I think Suns after a disappointing result the previous week I'm going to go the Suns I agree yeah I'll go to the Suns as well I think yes and then a you a loss as well but uh as this man over here said this next two weeks is going to show us what they're made of so if it's this one they lose they've got to win if they win this they you know they're looking good so we haven't lost since Friday the 5th of April that's Madness Friday the fth of April was the last time the bombers lost the game of football was that now the gather round yeah against Port Adela yep I was there and we're now Tuesday the 28th of May you count the days right so the DU a loss so nearly so it'll nearly be two months uh nearly be two months hang into that game The Last yeah the last time we like I said before the last time we've had a stretch of games so we haven't lost in this long was in 2000 jeez Madness so yeah if we win somehow I don't think will as yeah off if you win if we if if we go up there beat go co over there they're a n full strength side against the the conditions jalong was smashed everyone that's gone up there has lost if we win then jeez you lock Us in for finals at least that's [ __ ] that's sh exactly agreed get around us so we're in disagreement on a lot of these things um a lot tips this week fence [ __ ] as well aren't we yeah yeah we are in a few of these we are but uman we've already had three draws three dra this season so I mean uh two of them for Collingwood so it makes sense to tip of Collingwood again exctly three draws in a season logical if there was team that's going to do it of course it's going to be the dirty PES well guys on that note I I wanted to share something with you please do I've got an old pack of cards here for scanland 1990 unbroken pack of cards that I would love to to open with that would be amazing mate I appreciate hang on a second I got Courtney johns's dreadlock there just hold that one there that shouldn't be in there but I don't know what's that's doing in there uh there it is there it is it's a scanland 199 can you see that have a look at that unopen 1990 footy cards so who wants to take the honors there's a piece of gum in there as well so you can um well it is 35 years old but you can still I'm sure it's okay to eat had a dreadlock in your pocket not anymore I can't not anymore over you do the honors and we'll see where we get in there oh I don't I don't want to be the honors I don't been sitting there for 34 years it's been waiting for you the BARC codee's very short what are we going to see what are we going to get what a pack by the way beautiful looking pack who's on who's on the who's on the front so I don't do many card openings how do we how do we do it the right way just like thatp it over all right flip it over we've got Jason Jack Daniels oh from the Saints I remember him is a redhead is he yeah that's him y Jason Jack Daniels there he is Jack Daniel love yes JD we love us and Jackel don't now this is very fitting we have talked to him a fair bit on this podcast and you boys are going to absolutely love this one who this Kevin Shady right there brilliant that's one for the that's one for the PO have a look at that we we should wave our jackets Shades it's Shades we shall def absolutely end on a on a jacket wave Abol we should end way to W there he is this is the legend brilliant brilliant we'll put him on the side not not with not not with Jack Jack Daniels no disrespected Jack Daniels but this is Shady I'll tell you what it's only getting even better here boys and what a pack this is Gary Superman AB right there have a look at that W we've got some goats in this he taking a mark in that one as well you looking at the stats the stats we yep so number five 185 CM 90 kilos born in 61 uh 117 games and 412 goals like this man that is a great and that was 1990 so he ended up with over over a th goals and so he's kicked 600 plus goals in the last seven years of his career unbelievable in in the Twilight of his care after 99 he had time out of the game and then he came back in 93 as a full forward and it just dominated yep in three years in a row kicking 100 hundreds centuries every year from 93 to 96 that that's just yeah or was it 95 we we love Gary abet senior and Junior uh been a good pack thus far from North Melbourne here we have got Matthew Maddie lus oh yes oh look at that Lin remember him well I know Mr I know Dr pet Dr Peter lkin the physio the physio this is I don't know if they're any relation though but yeah sa you saved this pack uh you've saved this pack really well because we've gotten some absolute guns finally last card of the deck we've got Mark Toby besto from the Cs one of the the most amazing flat top haircuts that you know he just rocked that for so many years he was like straight out of the military he was like he was like guile from Street Fighter look at that I mean look at this I mean Jack Reacher before he was Jack Reacher that's it this is this is Jack besto here he is ladies and gentlemen well done original Club South franel winner of the prestigious yes and uh uh probably the best of it all we've got come on Steve your turn to chew mate in the 90s yes this was made before I was born mate put it in your mouth look at the color of this thing don't think just do don't think just do give it a chew no what are you done is it right yeah you still got the flavor it's not gum it's like it's past it's like eating a Tic Tac right no no let's thank you guys so much for watching before he dies right here on the video we're going to have to like chewing on a Band-Aid oh let be honest let's let's go we got to away jacket around the jacket around we crating ste's death on thank you for thanks for having me yeah no thank you for coming on abely saw here today hit the like button subscribe if you're new check out tray be at your local nearest Bottle Shop wherever it may be H The Dons if you haven't you got to check out Cole thanks guys thank you and uh been an absolute honor having having uh me on here isn't it it's been that's not the way you're supposed to say it we're supposed to say it's an honor that you've been here it's an absolute honor having me here and uh it's been a pleasure to to have you guys here as well yeah no thank you very much it's been a pleasure to to know you as well Steve yes yeah no no um yeah so this will be my last Fan cast here um I'm just looking for the best before dat best for day mate I don't think they used to put those on back in the 1990s I think uh the Sportsman gum love it thank you guys so much for watching hit the like subscribe if you're new notification bell all that good stuff and we look forward to seeing you all on the next episode here at F cast see you guys [Music]