Officials give update on decision to shut off power to 140 Rancho Palos Verdes homes

we've got council member barbaraa Ferraro with Rancho Palace Veris um we've got supervisor Janice Han with uh the fourth district we have uh Sheriff Luna here this afternoon or this morning um we've got Chief here with uh LA County Fire Department we have um Larry uh Larry Chung with Southern California um Edison we have Michael McGee with Los Angeles County sanitation district and we have Ralph Felix with with calwater uh District so before I hand it over to supervisor Han to give remarks what I'd like to do is just give you a context from the city's perspective of what is happening um today as you know in less than an hour Southern California Edison will be de-energizing power to the Portuguese Ben Community Association that um has come after much much thought and careful consideration regarding the Public's safety um as as of yesterday the city issued uh an evacuation warning that evacuation warning was a direct result of environmental health LA County Environmental Health uh concern that was expressed to the city regarding the sewers a sewer system in that particular neighborhood that system is energ ized by uh Power from Southern California Edison the city is a customer of Southern California Edison it energizes our SE sewer system it energizes our dewatering wells which help manage the uh the the landslide and and the water that's in the ground it also provides uh telecommunication facilities and Southern California Edison is very much aware of it when LA County public environmental health mentioned to us that our sewer system will go offline when the power is shut off that raised a concern regarding a potential sewer spill if people continue to use their water facilities as a result of that the city did issue that evacuation warning since that time and that was issued around 300 p.m. yesterday afternoon the city in partnership with the residents of the Portuguese Ben Community Association and I have to underscore how resilient our community is and and the um the the partnership and the collaboration that transpired at the late hour yesterday we were able as of uh this morning to uh provide backup generators at four lift stations or actually three lift stations which enable the sewer system to continue to operate while uh the power is being shut off in light of that the city is going to continue to maintain the evacuation warning we think it's important that residents contined to be prepared we have been saying that since the city declared a local disaster back in October of 2023 the community needs to be prepared because this is a this is an everchanging crisis as we navigate through this and we need to be prepared that is the only way we can stay safe and prevent any um property loss and worse human loss so with that I would like to then hand my remarks over to supervisor Han but I believe the transl probably wantes to translate what I just said I'm going to say Bri as best as you can yes yes Jan luned yes KX of course yes is it going to stay um sorry every ready anything for can thank you thank you okay that's a good morning everyone I am Los Angeles County Supervisor Janice Han and uh Rancho Palace veres is uh one of the 32 cities that I represent uh On The Board of Supervisors I want to first thank everyone who has stepped up and worked quickly particularly over these last few weeks and especially over the last few days uh to sort through this extreme challenge facing this community I think we're all learning that there is no playbook for an emergency like this one we don't have a stepbystep guide to follow but what we do know is that many families are struggling are suffering are feeling great anxiety about what is happening they are watching their homes they're watching their streets crumble around them uh we do know that school has started and I understand there's about 40 students uh that have been in that will be impacted by this power shut off you know over the past few weeks the County family has mobilized to do everything in our power to help my office along with our County Office of Emergency Management our public Works our County Fire Department our County Sheriff's Department have been working hand inand with our partners here in the city of Rano Palace veres and with the utility companies to make sure that the residents here are not only safe but they're able to make sense of what's going on and to plan as much as possible their own path forward I've been in close contact with Mayor John Crookshank who has been a champion for his residents through this entire crisis making sure that we all know what is going on he doesn't hesitate to call me at any hour of the day or night uh asking for specific help from the County of Los Angeles want to thank our fire chief Tony Mor Moroni our Sheriff uh Robert Luna our director of Public Works Mark pastella and Kevin McGowan our director of office of emergency management as well as all their teams uh for working sometimes around the clock for this community Comm and my office has specifically asked our Sheriff's Department to increase patrols of this area and Captain Guerero of the L station has assured us that her deputies will be keeping a close eye on any evacuated properties and we also have our internal Services Department we're asking them uh for help and they are remaining on standby uh for any additional help with gener ators if the city needs them we're sparing no expense because a crisis of this magnitude is not something any City should face on their own and I think that's the message you're going to keep hearing from City officials this is bigger than Rancho Palace veres th this land movement is so gigantic and so damaging that one city or one homeowners organization should not have to bear this burden alone uh which is why uh the county stands ready I've committed an additional $5 million uh to the city to respond to this disaster I think originally that money was going to be used for a uh draining project but not sure if even that project is now uh big enough to handle this and uh maybe you want to use those funds in another way to respond to this disaster uh but you know we also continue to call on Governor Nome uh to come to the city and see this for himself I think if he came here and saw the buckling streets the building sinking and cracking apart and now 140 families may be forced to leave their homes because it's unsafe for them to have the basic services that we all depend on on power gas sewer lines uh I I think he would understand the urgency of this request and yes this Landslide has been moving for decades but the acceleration that's happening currently is beyond what any of us uh could have fortold and it demands more response from the state more response from the federal government I do understand that his office the governor's office of emergency management is going to uh try to Wrangle some FEMA uh folks to maybe come here and also see what they can do to help it's a crisis and it's getting worse by day and an emergency declaration by the state I think would unlock some critical financial assistance for the residents uh who live here in the meantime there's going to be an e Emergency Assistance Center here at the Lera Linda community center which opens today and our County departments uh will be here to provide assistance to their residents most of us can't imagine what it's like to be warned to leave your home because the land under your feet is Shifting that's devastating for these families and this is far from over but we will be here the County of Los Angeles will be here 24/7 to make sure that these residents have every tool they need to navigate this crisis and we want them to know that they're not going to go through this alone thank you person inform our next speaker I'd like to introduce Los Angeles County Sheriff Robert Luna well uh good morning uh before I start off with just some highlighted comments uh I do look at the residents here and I I I don't even know what to say other than we're here to support you in any which way we can and I know as as we continue to move forward uh every tough decision that we have to make uh I can guarantee we're not just doing it uh if it's something we have to do uh it is uh based on your safety uh uh lives which I hope it never comes to that but I can tell you this that your city uh every time we've talked to your officials they they are representing all of you uh and the your voices so just please uh know that for sure uh the LA County Sheriff's Department the men and women of the LA County Sheriff's Department have been very uh engaged in this uh for months now uh they've been doing uh as good as we can uh interacting doing the job that we need to do and we will continue to do that uh as we move forward uh so our role in this is to uh be at the table uh with our office of emergency management and uh Kevin maau who I've been talking to a whole lot especially the last 48 hours is is out here so I'd like to thank him and all of the members of the office of emergency management with all the hard work they're doing and work communicating and listening to all the Departments uh and infrastructure uh groups that are involved here whether it's Edison uh the gas company uh sewage and water and we're paying very close attention uh to what do we believe is going to happen next and the supervisor said at best The Playbook isn't as uh black and white as uh other incidences or events that we deal with uh so it is evolving and it is fluid but for us uh uh working with the city uh with the evacu evacuation warning uh and then always um there ready for that to turn to an order uh and we'll make sure that we do everything to work with all of our partners with the residents uh to make sure that we're working together communicating and coordinating but if I can stress anything uh to our residents um please be ready to evacuate I hope it doesn't come down to that but you've got to be ready at a minute's notice make sure you have the proper paperwork medications uh that you just have plan to communicate uh and if if and when that order comes you please be ready to to roll with that right now it's a warning uh the warning is to be ready uh and we'll do that as well now in regards to a significant concern uh as residents may be leaving as a result of this warning uh and or in a pending order please be assured that uh our department is going to do everything we can to make sure these properties are safe uh we have had issues in the past uh not only will we add additional resources uh to uh this area uh but this morning I I did authorize uh the use of uh drone usage uh for this specific area we only do that under uh circumstances where emergencies are occurring and we approved that so when you look up in the sky uh there's going to be an extra eye up there and my next message is for anybody out there cuz I'm looking at the cameras now that is even thinking about coming to this area uh to impact it in a negative way if you think you're going to come here and further negatively impact the residents of this area you've got something else coming to you uh these deputies are awesome at the work they do uh they are ready uh to arrest you you're going to go to jail if you come here to steal anything do not think about it don't even go there uh that's that's a very important factor uh as we move forward and for any of you who think or you're hearing something or you see something out of uh that's suspicious please let our deputies know uh and I really do want to give a huge hand to Captain Kim Guerrero who is the captain of the Lomita station that covers this area she's been doing a great job and she will continue uh to do so uh so with that uh I am going to turn it over to our next uh I'm sorry uh there's a translator who's going to translate for me and for all the Spanish stations I will do Spanish stuff for you guys right at the end thank you sorry for dep I'm not sure what you said but if you were able to repeat what what the the sheriff has said you're pretty remarkable so and I I do want to I want to thank uh Sheriff Luna and and Captain Guerrero who has been they've been remarkable and and ensuring me the city council and the residents of rancha pal verus that they will be safe under these unprecedented uh condition so thank you very much for your commitment and having that presence both on the ground and in the air cuz we if you're looking to um come here and and cause any disruption don't even think about it as Sheriff said because you will not get away with it um our our next speaker is with Los Angeles County Fire Department I'd like to introduce Chief you may want to adjust like yeah I'll move it up just a little bit so good morning uh my name is Anthony I'm the fire chief of the County of Los Angeles Fire Department uh the first thing I'd like to do is is thank supervisor Han for allowing the fire department to be here with our County family um as we share uh with the impacted residents the fire department's plan for emergency response following the necessary electrical shut off today at noon let me just State once again the necessary electrical shut off from a public safety standpoint Southern California Edison is doing the right thing because our number one priority is not only resident and Community safety but also the safety of our First Responders and I implore all of the residents to please heed the evacuation warning that has been issued by the LA County Sheriff's department and get ready for a potential evacuation order if it is necessary that would affect the Portuguese Bend Community Association neighbor Hood I recognize how difficult and overwhelming this devastating and continuing land movement has been for the residents of the ranchel palis veres community over the past year our primary objective at the fire department is to ensure the continued safety for all residents the shifting roadways continue to impact and increase response times and in some cases make access impossible additionally due to the recent sewage spill and the fire near narcissus drive that damaged electrical equipment power is being shut off to Ure Public Safety to keep up with the rapid pace of land movement that's been occurring since 1956 which is moving 88 times faster than it was in October of 2022 and the increased Wildfire risk due to the potential of a utility pole or electrical lines coming down the County of Los Angeles Fire Department has done three things we've at the request of supervisor Han we've added daily jurisdictional surveys for personnel assigned to fire station 53 in RPV to ensure Public Safety access as POS possible we've added a four-wheel drive Patrol to the area to make sure that we can get in if someone has a fire or a medical emergency if access is not possible fire station Personnel will make necessary notifications and try to mitigate issues to ensure that Public Safety access is maintained the surveys also include the patrol of the area and any addition equipment needed will be requested to maintain the safety of residents the community and our First Responders in addition to the patrol that was requested by supervisor Han we've also added a 2,000g water tank a water tender uh which can respond to the area in case the water supply is damaged or broken we know that this movement can also um disrupt not only the natural gas which previously had to be shut off but also the electrical the sewage and the water we've worked collaboratively with the city of ranchel Palace veres to negotiate with the York estate to utilize the York driveway off of palis verish Drive South to provide a faster way into the community if you suffer a medical emergency while the power is out and you have difficulty calling 911 we want to make sure that we can get there as quickly as possible because during a medical emergency minutes are going to matter and that is one reason why we're asking everybody to be prepared for an evacuation order if it were to come and then uh with the evacuation warning in effect for the Portuguese B Community I encourage all residents to use the know your zone of vacu ation tool the know your Zone evacuation tool is critical to the evacuation process if there is a wildfire or emergency such as an uncontrolled uncontrollable land movement navigating the know your zone map provides timely critical information and can help you determine next steps I want to assure the residents that acting assistant fire chief Brian Kane and I uh will continue to collaborate with supervisor Han City officials our Public Safety partners and the utility companies to ensure the safety of the residents the community and our First Responders thank you in e and and chief and and to Chief uh Cain thank you um the city is very grateful and appreciative of all the added resources that you brought to our community and all the constant communication it's greatly appreciated we we feel a lot safer knowing that we have those added um resources at station 53 which is right down the street so our next uh speaker is from Southern California Edison vice president of customer engagement division Larry Chung who had the pleasure to meet just like a couple days ago and we've been talking consistently since Wednesday and I appreciate everything that you've your transparency and all your Partnerships so thank you Larry thanks very much uh as AR I mentioned my name is Larry Chung I'm the vice president of uh se's customer engagement division uh I I really want to just start by saying that Southern California Edison recognizes just how devastating it's been for many of the Ci's community members uh as the land moves at this unprecedented Pace in some areas up to a foot per week uh I myself have have been in the Portuguese uh Ben community and I've seen even small things like the road changing from even yesterday so we we understand how Dynamic the situation is and I do want to thank uh supervisor Janice Han for her leadership I can assure you uh she's been in contact with with our company and and fighting uh for the residents of not just Ranch pal veres but the entire County of Los Angeles so I want to say thank you to supervisor Han for pushing us to be better and making sure that we're looking at possible option for this community and and for what Chief and Sheriff Luna are doing as well as our morani and with the city uh it's been a collaboration it is unprecedented uh and as you've heard before there is no playbook for this uh you know Edison never wants to turn off the power to a customer unless it's absolutely necessary and as you've heard from the previous speakers in this case it is absolutely necessary uh we have an obligation not only to serve but a higher obligation to ensure the safety of our community of our customers of the residents here in the RPV area and the land movement in the Portuguese Ben Community has created such a dangerous situation uh that we have made the very difficult decision to disconnect power indefinitely to prevent that equipment from igniting Wildfire you've heard an example of this danger uh just a few days ago on August 29th the fire that occurred near narissa Drive the land movement caused a power line to fall to the ground and ignite a small fire uh while the fire was quickly extinguished I want to thank again Chief and your crew for for doing that uh it shows that the mitigation measures we have currently in place are not sufficient to address the dynamic nature of this land movement so that is why uh We've made the decision to disconnect service in the Portuguese Ben Community Association as I mentioned our highest obligation is the safety of our community and the safety of our residents that doesn't mean that we're not doing everything possible to mitigate this in fact we're closely monitoring the land movement uh as a participant of the RPV Landslide complex working group uh with the city and other First Responders we're maintaining regular communication and collaboration with the entities speaking here today uh and we're going to stay in touch with our customers uh we understand how much of a hardship this is and we care about our community we care about our customers the land movement situation here in the Palace veres Peninsula remains Dynamic uh if the company must shut off power to more customers uh that is something that we're going to have to make a decision to do and we're going to make the be do our best to to provide as much notification as possible and as can be done safely recognizing the dynamic nature of this particular emergency um so with that I I I want to reiterate again our commitment to safety our commitment to the community and that this decision was not taken lightly it's something that we've considered greatly in partnership with a lot of the public service agencies uh and entities including the city so that thank you very much sure Larry Chung l a r r y c h u n g and your title vice president of customer engagement division with Southern California Edison for [Music] I'd like to introduce our next speaker which is Los Angeles County Sanitation District public information officer Michael uh mij uh good morning everyone I'm going to ask the translator to join me up here our information is a little bit Technical and we want to make sure everybody understands clearly and concisely what we're about to um communicate so I will allow the translator to follow me immediately um but the LA County sanitation districts again my name is Michael chi c I'm the public information officer for LA County sanitation districts the sanitation districts along with everyone here acknowledges the extraordinary and difficult situation we are all facing our agency is as concerned as everyone here about what the future holds and we sympathize with those lives that are being so dramatically impacted at this time I'd like to take this opportunity to educate and explain how the water and sewer system in this area works so everyone understands Because the actual system of sewers and Sewer lines in this area can be very confusing here in the Rancho Palace veres area residential and business lines from homes and buildings that connect to local seore lines those lines can be operated and maintained either by the city or our friends at LA County Public Works all Wastewater that travels through these local lines makes its way to the LA County sanitation districts my agencies m trunk lines that transport all the waste water from homes and businesses in this region out of this area and down to one of our wastewater treatment plants where it is safely and appropriately processed to keep things simple it's easier to note that all water that is flushed down a toilet goes down a sink shower bathtub or washing machine drain ends up in our trunk lines to be taken out of palis veres we maintain Wastewater flow and structural Integrity of those pipes it was one of these pipes which is made of 14in diameter steel that pulled apart last week 6 ft below ground at the intersection of Narcissa and palis ver Drive South resulting in a small spill fortunately our construction Crews responded to and repaired that damage quickly and the resulting release of waste water caused no significant health risks or damage but that's a small preview of hopefully something we don't see in this area our Wastewater flow moves using good old gravity with some assistance from mechanical pumping stations along its path to help keep Wastewater moving over Rises and other areas where gravity cannot do the job our pipes are not pressurized but our pump stations do require power to keep waste water moving normally this is a process no one sees or cares about and most of us take for granted but waste water is Flowing constantly even as we stand here and speak I need to be very clear and direct Ellie County sanitation is in no better position to predict when and where are pipes may break or be compromised due to the due to the dynamic land Movement we are all seeing the ground here is moving everywhere at the surface and below ground as demonstrated by our current emergency repair work L last week's spill incident we are dealing with incomprehensible amounts of Earth with unimaginable movement pulling our infrastructure in ways that it is not designed or intended to move or resist this level of dynamic activity uh if the sanitation district sewer lines would suffer a catastrophic failure there will be no notice our agency cannot say there is a zero chance of this happening if it does our job will be to immediately activate our emergency response plan which is posted on our homepage for anyone to see on our website that address is LSD Sam is in Sam S is Sam uh LSD csd.org if such an event should happen there will be an immediate and dramatic need for larger pumper vacuum trucks to Fan out and travel across palis veres to capture and transport Wastewater to the nearest working portions of our sewer lines so to emphasize this would be a physical capture and transport process conducted by large tanker trucks that will need to run 24 hours a day 7 days a week in the event of a catastrophic failure so just as residents have been been warned for the need to possibly evacuate this is our warning concerning what would happen in the event of a catastrophic failure this will create traffic issues and delays in this region the details about what roads were likely to be impacted are posted on our web page at the site I gave you lacsd.org along with the map of the residential areas that will be impacted for so waste water is Flowing now it continues to flow our sewer system remains in operation and our crews are doing everything including working emergency work to make sure those sewers continue to flow but this is a lot of waste water moving through the system when it's working properly and something most of us don't even think about when water goes down the drain but waste water does not magically disappear it travels somewhere and ends up somewhere waste water follows the rules of simple physics if it cannot get to where where it should go safely which is what it is doing now it will accumulate at low points or get backed up and as a result may result in sewage releases and flows where no one wants them the sanitation districts is and will continue to work closely with County and City staff and their resources to communicate and keep this community informed but we implore all residents and businesses to be ready and responsive to minimizing impacts to Public Health and the environment if we should encounter such a catastrophic event in the future we hope not to reach such a moment but we must be ready to face it thank you thank you Michael and just to reiterate um the city's sewer system that's in the Portuguese Ben Community Association connects directly to the LA County sanitation district and when environmental health informed us of the concern that if our sewer system was inoperable there could be a potential health risk because of the back flows and possible sewer spills so we appreciate that continued collaboration and the communication the sanitation District's been by our side for for a long time and helping us navigate and monitoring the situation our next speaker is with coww waterer District it's Ral Felix with the ranch of Dominguez District so thank you thank you sir uh good morning my name is Ralph Felix uh district manager California Water Service company Ranch Dingus District first and foremost I want you to know that California Water Service management and employees are focused on our customers in the Portuguese Bend area during this very difficult and challenging time like other utilities we have been responding to this emergency around the clock for many months and we remain committed to supporting our customers in the neighborhood the land movement in the area continues to cause our water Ms and services to separate or deflect causing leaks and we have been repairing leaks as they occur and will continue to do so based on the present circumstances we expect to continue Water Service to the community both residents in their homes and for fire protection our water system fa facilities that serve Portuguese Bend are on a separate electrical grid as we continue to provide service we have Leak Detection technology and Crews who remain in the area 24 hours a day 7 days a week to identify and address leaks quickly the above ground water mains have been installed in certain areas are helping to reduce the instances of main leaks caused by the land Movement we will continue to monitor the situation closely in coordination with our community and Utility Partners and will provide updates to our customers as needed thank [Applause] you for so we're near the end of uh the remarks and then opening it up for a Q&A but before I do that I've got two council members here council member Dave Bradley and Barbara Ferraro and they want to invite you up if you'd like to say any remarks hello I'm Barbara Ferrero council member of Rancho poos veres and no one ever thought we'd have to have a meeting like this I appreciate all of you coming we're doing our absolute best for our residents I want to thank our staff especially um ARA is the city manager who should get a medal for all that he's done I mean after all we're here on Labor Day weekend but also our staff the members of our staff are here as well and we want to do everything we can to help our residents this is unprecedented no one knows really in a way what to do and so I thank all of you for being here we thank our staff for being here and for um our let's see now um the people that have spoken um our chief our um fire chief our sheriff and our County Supervisor Janice yes um we have great supporters but we need your help as well to help the people get through this thank you all for coming well it's almost good afternoon uh I'm Dave Bradley one of the other City councilmen here in the city of Rancho Palace FES I do thank everybody for coming out um and in this really difficult time and thank you for paying attention to our small City uh here on the coast um this is and continues to be an existential crisis for the city of Rancho Palace veres um we have the most active landslide in North America um and we need to come up with real solutions to help both our current residents and also the landslide as much as possible I mean our hearts go out to our neighbors our friends and our residents here within the city that have been directly affected both in Portuguese B and the beach club as well as SE view right behind us um these type of movements is really unprecedented uh and we really need to come together to come up with real solutions on how we're going to solve this we've talked a lot about today about the current crisis and the de-energizing and of the power system within Portuguese Bend but we have been working on long-term solutions for actually over a year now to try to come up with way to the landslide um I really call on everyone to come together to help us uh both at the federal level we need FEMA we need the US um Army Corps of Engineers to come help us at the state level we need uh California office of emergency um manag cow uh Services uh to come help us uh we need help from the county which uh supervisor Han has continued to offer up but we need everybody to come together we need funds now to help both our residents that have been directly affected today as well as to help us get the water out of the landslide area and really start to the movement um as most people know within the local area and outside the area probably not that we are repaving palis for EES Drive South almost on a weekly basis now the movement has accelerated dramatically over the last 12 months where some are are moving up to 10 in a week if you can imagine uh 10 in a week you can almost see the ground move anybody that drove along palis Drive South this morning to get here or is going to leave uh please look at that road that is the most active repaving road that you will ever see we almost do it as we start repaving one end and by the time we get to the other end we're paying our contractor to start repaving again this is being becoming a major line item in the city's budget and the dewatering wells that we're trying to install and continue to act um to Monitor and to uh facilitate becomes one of the major funding s or funding priorities within the city so we asked at Federal the state the county level for help um we are in an existential crisis we need to help our residents for uh that have been affected now and we need to come up with real solutions to help mitigate this in the future to allow our residents to get back into their homes allow the uh folks to continue to uh live and Thrive within the city of Rancho Palace veres I thank everybody for coming out today I thank all of our um our folks from our utilities as well as uh uh Sheriff Luna and um Chief uh for coming out and paying attention to our small city um hopefully in the future we can have them them back out here for a more positive press conference on things that go right as opposed to once again things that are really kind of going south and going uh uh in the wrong direction but thank you all for coming out yeah and last last but not least I do want to thank supervisor Han um for your your responsiveness and your attention to this this matter um since since the beginning thank you and a huge shout out to U Mark pastella with with Public Works Kevin McGowen I I think Kevin I'm on the phone with you constantly and I really appreciate your guidance with LA County OEM um I I could attest that LA count is in in good hands knowing that you're there to respond to an any emergency whether it's a landslide earthquake fire so thank you for your guidance um and I i' I'd be remissed if I didn't thank the RPV staff um we're we're a mids City but a small City Hall I've got um 70 plus full-time staff and and an executive team of just a handful of players and we have been working around the clock and that's because we stand United with our community with the residents we feel very strongly uh about the the quality of life our residents experience and live in rancha Palace verce and I want to say this very loud and clear to the residents of ranch of Palace verus remember we are resilient we are RPV together and that togetherness will get us through this crisis so thank you for coming out I'm going to open it up for Q&A what I'd like to do is please um direct your question I'll stand up here direct your question to the individual you'd like to speak to and I'll call that person up so yes hi Em um so what res apartment while understood there is a there is a huge financial burden that is put on residents because of this as they're watching um the damage occur to their structures I want to re reiterate what I said at the very beginning of my remarks um the city evacuation is at a warning at this point no one's being ordered to leave their their properties so we are we are advising residents that they should continue to be prepared in the event they have to leave well what if they com to the point they do have to leave I can't so we are at we are we had advised residents to uh contact their insurance companies because many times when there is an evacuation warning or order um their insurance policies may be able to cover that but they should they every insurance policy is very specific so they should they should reach out to their individual agent to get some more information on that you've been listening to County officials giving an update from Rancho Palace Verdes we will have much more on this developing story beginning at 5 pm on KCAL News Channel 2 and streaming on CBS News Los Angeles