Netanyahu acting 'more and more brazenly'; Massive protests break out in Israel

GAZA IS AMONG THE 101 HOSTAGES STILL THERE. THE QUESTION IS WILL THESE PROTESTS FORCE NETANYAHU TO CHANGE COURSE. BACK TO YOU. >> THANK YOU. JOINING US NOW FROM ISRAEL, INDEPENDENT JOURNALIST AND "NEW YORK TIMES" CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT, PETER BAKER. NOGA, I'LL ASK YOU WHAT RAF ENDED WITH. IS THIS GOING TO CHANGE THINGS? >> FOR NOW, THERE AREN'T ANY INDICATIONS THAT AS MASSIVE AS THEY ARE, THAT THESE PROTESTS ARE GOING TO INFLUENCE NETANYAHU. IN FACT, HE HAS SEEMED TO KIND OF STIFFEN HIS BACK SINCE HALF A MILLION ISRAELIS TOOK TO THE STREETS ON SUNDAY NIGHT. BUT YOU DO HAVE A FEELING THIS COUNTRY THAT SOMETHING HAS GOT TO GIVE. NETANYAHU IS CAUGHT IN A STICKIER AND STICKIER WEB FOR THE FIRST TIME, PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS OPENLY EXPRESSED HIS DISAPPOINTMENT WITH HIM. TONIGHT, HE'S BEEN ACCUSED OF TAMPERING WITH OFFICIAL PROTOCOLS AND YOU JUST HAVE A FEELING THAT SOMEHOW AS HE'S HOLDING ON TO POWER, IT'S JUST NOT SUSTAINABLE. >> AN EDITORIAL TODAY SAYING THAT PART OF THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS GOING ON AS LONG AS IT HAS IS ON THE ISRAELI PUBLIC. THAT THEY HAVEN'T PROTESTED IN THESE NUMBERS SINCE JUDICIAL REFORM, BUT WHEN THEY DO, THEY GET THINGS DONE AND USE JUDICIAL REFORM AS AN EXAMPLE. THEY USE THE DEFENSE MINISTER GETTING REINSTALLED AS AN EXAMPLE. WHY IS IT THE ARGUMENT THAT THE ISRAELI PEOPLE HAVEN'T BEEN, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT ARGUMENT? DO YOU THINK THE ISRAELI PEOPLE HAVEN'T YET GOTTEN ANGRY ENOUGH PUBLICLY ENOUGH TO FORCE CHANGE? >> LOOK, I THINK IT'S A PROBLEMATIC ARGUMENT AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT IT ALSO ECHOES ONE OF THE SENTIMENTS WHICH NETANYAHU HIMSELF SAID YESTERDAY IN A SORT OF STRANGE PRESS CONFERENCE HE HELD IN WHICH HE SAID THAT HE HADN'T RETAKEN THE PHILADELPHIA CORRIDOR. THIS AREA OF GAZA HE NOW SAYS ISRAEL CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT. HE HASN'T TAKEN IT IN THE LAST 17 YEARS IN WHICH HE'S BEEN IN POWER, BECAUSE QUOTE, THERE WASN'T A PUBLIC CONSENSUS TO SUPPORT IT. SO HE WAS BLAMING THE PUBLIC. I THINK THE MEDIA OR BLAMING THE PUBLIC IS A LITTLE BIT -- >> IT WAS ELON PINKUS. NOT THE EDITORIAL BOARD. >> I THINK I KNOW ELON AND I THINK, I UNDERSTAND WHY HE SAYS THAT THE ISRAELIS HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANGRY ENOUGH AND THE REASON IS THAT THE ISRAELI OPPOSITION HAS FAILED TO BRING FORCES TOGETHER AND FORCE THEM OUT FROM POWER, BUT EVEN THE JUDICIARY HAS SORT OF SOFT PEDALLED NETANYAHU WHO HAS BEEN ACTING MORE AND MORE BRAZENLY AGAINST THE LAW. I THINK THERE'S A FEELING, AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT ELON WAS EXPRESSING, THAT IF THE ISRAELI PEOPLE DON'T SIMPLY BRING THIS COUNTRY TO A HALT, THAT NOTHING ELSE IS GOING TO DO IT. >> SO THE U.K., PETER, HAS PULLED BACK ON SOME OF ITS WEAPONS SHIPMENTS WITH THIS NEW LABOR GOVERNMENT TO ISRAEL SAYING THEY'RE NOT CONFIDENT THEY WOULD BE USED HUMANELY. YESTERDAY, PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS ASKED WHETHER HE THOUGHT NETANYAHU WAS DOING ENOUGH TO GET THE HOSTAGES OUT AND HE SAID NO. DO YOU FORESEE ANY CHANGE IN PROTOCOL THOUGH AND POLICY TOWARD ISRAEL FROM THE U.S.? >> WELL, LOOK, IT'S POSSIBLE. PRESIDENT BIDEN DID HALT ONE WEAPONS SHIPMENT AS WE REMEMBER BACK SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. 2000 POUND BOMBS AND 500 POUND BOMBS THAT COULD BE USED IN RAFAH AND IT COULD BE DEVASTATING TO CIVILIANS. HE HASN'T DONE THAT SINCE AND OTHER WEAPONS SHIPMENTS HAVE BEEN GOING FORWARD. BUT THE PRESSURE IS RIDING. HAVING THE BRITISH DO WHAT THEY'VE DONE BEGS THE QUESTION OF PRESIDENT BIDEN AS WELL. THEY HAVE SAID THEY'RE PUTTING TOGETHER OF WHAT THEY SAY WILL BE THE FINAL BRIDGING PROPOSAL FOR A CEASE FIRE TO GET PAST WHATEVER DIFFERENCES REMAIN TO GET TO THE CEASE FIRE DEAL. THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THEY'VE SAID THEY'RE PUTTING TOGETHER A FINAL. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER IF IT REALLY MEANS FINAL. THERE IS TALK FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE ADMINISTRATION WE HAVEN'T HEARD BEFORE THE IDEA THAT THIS PROPOSAL IS NOT ACCEPTED, THAT WOULD BE THE END OF IT. THERE WOULD BE NO POINT OF FURTHER NEGOTIATIONS. THEY'RE CLOSER TO THROWING UP THEIR HANDS THAN THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST. THEY HAVE WORKED SO HARD TO GET TO A CEASE FIRE, BUT HAVEN'T BEEN WILLING TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON THE ISSUE OF HOLDING BACK ARMS ON A MORE SUSTAINED BASIS. >> NOGA, DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE EFFECTIVE IF THE AMERICANS DID THAT? WHAT WOULD THAT DO? WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN IN ISRAEL? >> IT WOULD BE HUGE IN ISRAEL. IN FACT, TODAY, A STUDY WAS PUBLISHED IN A TABLOID NEWSPAPER TODAY SAYING THAT THE ISRAELI AIR FORCE COULD NOT ACTUALLY FUNCTION FOR MORE THAN A FEW MONTHS IF IT LOST AMERICAN SUPPORT. THIS OF COURSE WOULD BE A VERY, VERY RADICAL MOVE ON THE PART OF THE UNITED STATES AND IT WOULD HAVE SIGNIFICANT IMPLICATIONS ALSO FOR U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY THAT SORT OF DEPENDS ON THIS ALLIANCE WITH ISRAEL. BUT EVEN HAVING THE THREAT OF THAT SORT OF NETANYAHU IS SIGNIFICANT. I THINK THE ONLY REASON WE ARE HEARING A MORE SEVERE