Flipping at NASCAR’s Michigan: The Unpleasant Consequence of Going Fast

hey everybody it's Dale junr back again for another episode of the Dale junr download this Tuesday brought to you by Tire Pros the dirty air segment we're going to talk about Michigan and everything that went down there we got our winter calling in today Tyler reic and a little bit more we're going to have a little phone Mike Davis so uh yeah we'll see what happens the following is a production of dirty mod media hey everybody it's Dell Junior back again for another episode of the Dell Junior download and we are in in the dirty mod media Studio it's Tuesday and it's dirty air presented by Tire Pros uh we talk about Tire Pros because they are a partner here at uh Junior Motorsports obviously sponsoring race cars but they also sponsor us here in this studio doing our podcast and um what's great about Tire Pros is they're owned by people in your community and so they're they're you know your neighbors so you're wantan to support your community support your neighbors uh and they can do 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yeah let's do it I mean I want to get into the race but this was funny yes let listen actually I have a clip so we can listen back to it just a second your call has has been forwarded to voicemail the person you're trying to reatch is not available please record your message when you have finished recording you may hang up what in the hell that is so what kind of accent is that RI Riot the person you're trying to re I feel like Mike has turned his phone in he's got him a damn flip phone it's a jitterbug damn those Mike said I he don't trust new technology anymore m is got a got an old next tail button button Mas with the CH yeah reat you cannot reat me oh my God I mean that wasn't his voicemail at least a couple weeks ago what in the hell has happened he definitely changed it like Mike Mike Mike paid his bill I think that Mike didn't pay his cell phone service and I had dropped down to like a lower tier service and that's sort of the you don't even get to put in your own voicemail not no custom voicemails here you didn't pay for that sir that's 30 cents a month I think 30 Cent it's not worth it not not doing it I refuse said Mike Davis that's funny I'm so we'll see we we were gonna that was at the top of the show last week yeah and we did it was before that was before the show yeah yeah oh God alight that's funny riat I I mean he is not here today hopefully this can get out to the to the folks to find folks we got to move quick that listen to us they deserve that they do he's he's doing good things up in D office talking about dirty M media and we're back here put he's out of office there's no chance of reching him today he's out of reatch he's out of reat I that this name we going to get old and now we're doing it it every time in the office just in general conversation anytime we can work that in it came up like 10 times last week after this it's a part of our regular vocabul if you see Mike Davis out in the wild try to work that riat that's how he pronounces the word [Laughter] reach he pronounces it if anyone knows what like preset that is yes we all need to change ours today I know we do all right R let's get to it man um the uh the race had a lot going on um reic wins in overtime a late yellow uh Truex gets into the fence there was debate around that caution whether it was necessary reic had a reaction inside the car cussing couldn't believe it God I do not miss that feeling you're sitting there you're busting your ass uh run all day long 500 laps or whatever 400 laps at do just busting your ass sitting there with a you know a decent finish in your hands and some stupid yellow comes out with you know 10 laps to go or some dummy can't get to the Finish like a legit yellow comes out or NASCAR throws something rather you know ridiculous um and it's happened over the years um but it this one with TR X was on the borderline for me um I know there was uh if I was driving the car car leading the race hell yes I have the same reaction as reic um and maybe even you know running in the top 10 or the top five I might have the same reaction like what the hell but you know that one to me I'm not I'm not going to drag it out and debate it too much TR Rex gets loose goes up hits the wall I was looking at a lot of social media content and and and other people in the industry's comments about it um a lot of people will look back in the middle of the race where the two-car Center gets EX exactly the same situation and they throw the they don't throw the yellow right I thought about this someone made a great point so we could sit here and and we have in the past and go what the f you know you don't throw it for the two and you do throw it for the 19 and you and it's because it's late and you want that last restart and you want the drama and you manufacturing and manipulating you know you could get all kinds of pissed off at NASCAR but there's also the idea that maybe nobody was watching sync's ass running back there wherever he was at right where was he running you know even if he's running 12th 15th 10 20 I don't know where he's running but maybe they ain't even looking over there he's not the he's not the focus yeah and and chances are there was maybe quite a few eyes on Trux or around there was a battle happening right there for a late you know that with um you know Kyle bus trying to hold position and other cars trying to figure out how to move forward around they were racing really hard there around that top five The Backs side of the top five so good chance that uh NASCAR and and and a lot of eyeballs are paying close attention to that right and so maybe that's why there's a difference between the the reaction to those two incidents just saying um I wish they hadn't throw the yellow because it wasn't probably that necessary Kenny Wallace said they won't throw a yellow unless they see debris but I you know I I didn't see uh if the 19 dropped anything on the racetrack it's it's unlikely but it's possible he hit the wall hard enough hard enough uh for a yellow but in my eyes the way I look at this thing is I'm trying to get the race I'm trying to get to the Checker if I'm if I'm the industry right if I'm I don't want to say it I don't want to say if I'm in the booth doing all that right making the choices but literally I guess that's what I'm saying if I was in the booth I would be like oh no that a you know keep them going keep them going don't throw the yellow no no no no race is you know we're almost to the Finish that's you know if we can if we can avoid the yellow that's my mentality in my mind um I'm I'm I'm thinking though that for TV they can deny it if they want but for TV for the promoter track owner and possibly for NASCAR they're thinking oh hell yeah late race restart drama yeah this oh yeah you know we're trying to our audience is building all the way through the race right so right at there in the last 10 laps you've got the largest audience you've got the most people paying attention to what you're doing and can you give them something exciting while they're all at the at the ice cream truck can you give them the best flavor have them coming back next week so um am I making sense so I can see that being the case and and but in my mind and maybe if I got up there and drank the Kool-Aid I would be like them if I get up you know I'm mean I'm in the I I'm in the broadcast I'm in the network world I ain't changed I've been doing it seven eight years I ain't really my mentality about it still the same I'm I'm if I'm in that Booth I'm like I'm I got my hands up there to my team going don't hit the button don't hit it let's get this almost over not all right man if you see anything nefarious you hit that button right am I am I making sense definitely yeah I mean it was just so quick too oh it's so fast it was just like he hit the wall bam I know that's what makes that is that what maybe startles you like enough to like oh sh like got to hit the button you know no no I that to me sounds like I mean the the quickness of of it is the is is the only concerning part I think if Trix goes up there slaps the wall he did he smacked the hell out at wall and then kind of comes down and then the yellow comes out you're kind of like okay they must have seen something trailing off the car or or there's something they're worried about that that that warrants this yellow but it's so fast it's almost like they're looking for someone to be out of control they're looking for the they need hardly it's kind of like um the excuse they don't yeah it's like man don't give me an excuse to party they don't need an excuse they don't need much of an yellow yes it's kind of got that vibe to it um I think I think that makes the point of the syndric versus the Trux caution is it's like in the middle in earlier in the race they're not hovering over the button I don't think they're just kind of letting the race play out but in those last couple laps the tension is so high I think they're just hovering over the button yes yes and that that's human nature of course I'm not going to get too hard on them but dang I mean what would have what what would have been the harm in letting the Finish happen letting it just go it wouldn't have been as fun right but what about when Bowman made contact with the wall in the backstretch in that overtime that was pretty I mean it was pretty hard lick too and he was in front of the whole field they didn't call caution for that oh man so he did yeah I mean I don't I don't know that that's that different no it's I mean I mean it's about the same dramatic reduction in speed right and he's in front of the entire field on the backstretch where TRX went up in the corner kind of didn't even have anyone behind him I mean maybe couple cars to get down if you really had a problem right these yeah these are all good points um yeah it's it's interesting man the the I don't remember you know if I could go if I if I could sit here and say yeah man this was happening in the 90s this was happening in the 80s and I know we're not you know I know there's a lot of people that like hate for you to compare anything to the Past they're like Let It Go get over it get things are different things are different um but you know I I'm I like the 80s I like the 90s I like what was happening I like the way the sport was I like the decision making right and I like the flow of an event from that time I'm not just hard-headed as nostalgic I actually like the way the races flowed and how they were called and officiated and so I prefer that and I think that it's a little different these days and it feels like it changes depending on the time of the rate you know the time in the race to to to you know you could say yeah they they don't throw the yellow for certain things but then man if it if anything anything gets out of line in those last five laps it's like oh man they're you know High chance of a yellow so that stirred all that back up but again tricks hit hit the wall hard enough I wouldn't sit there and die on that Hill go you know that that they shouldn't have thrown the yellow not dying on that Hill not in that instance but you know sometimes you we know there's been some instances where there was very little going on and the yellow come out um so that was a little bit of a storyline then cor Joyce flip a lot of conversation uh around this on social media um and I jumped in there um Kenny Wallace uh a good friend of mine was quick to um well as he always is quick to um give his opinion on you know why that car flipped obviously uh he put some photos on on Twitter of the bottom of the seven car while it's in the air and everybody can make sense of this it's not not hard um that the car you know the cars these days have a flat pan and they get up in the air uh because of that you know that that flat pan underneath but we had an Infinity car flip as well on the back straight away a little different circumstances but also uh we had cars getting up up in the air no matter what style of race car it was a mediologist or someone uh Jeff glck was retweeting on social media was talking about the the wind direction it was high winds uh 20 mph 15 to 20 mph winds with gust of you know 25 to 30 mph very um in the in the direction that it would definitely affect uh these cars going down the back straight away getting turned around in this instance people talked about how um you know giant airlines are you know full of fuel and you know you know thousands and thousands and thousands of pounds getting up off the you know getting up off the ground at 130 miles hour or whatever you know I know we land um at 100 and probably 1519 miles an hour and our takeoff speeds probably similar a little faster um and so you got a race car that gets turned around going 200 mil hour or 180 M an hour that's way lighter um it you know I think the whole point of all of this is that and what I said on social media was that cars have been flipping in NASCAR since the beginning and it's an it's a unpleasant consequence of going fast and if we and and I had a uh a fan react to that which I liked his comment see if I can find it he said uh basically yeah if we all complain about it NASCAR is going to make a decision that none of us is going to like hey everybody don't complain or NASCAR will make changes you won't like at all um and so that's the thing be careful what you wish for um Denny Hamlin even said on his podcast or in I'm sorry in comments post race he'd rather flip than hit the wall in this car right and which that makes perfect sense to me I've flipped a race car yes flips can get violent yes people have been injured yes people have been killed in cars that are that get airborne but the potential for that violent hard land or that the the violent uh impacts and G forces that you you tend to feel in wall contact that the potential is a little bit less I think in a flip and so um as as disorienting and again unpleasant as getting Airborne is it's scary and it should be um and it would be scary to anybody who's never been in a race car to think about it right to imagine it heading toward a wall knowing you're going toit get it at 150 mph is more terrifying and always going to be and so you know I think that you know you look at the impact um weatherman had in the xinity race with a right front tire blue um nasty nasty hit now that's that's where we always I think need to be working to improve um the cars crush a ability the car's ability to absorb those kind of impacts um and when we worked on the nextg car the next gen car was developed we know now that uh that car lost a lot of its ability to absorb a lot of its Crush ability uh and NASCAR's work now to reverse that and get that car to absorb some of the impacts uh better but Denny still says and and as he probably would and will for the rest of his life he would would probably rather get airborne and do a little you know do some barrel rolls than hit the wall uh at any angle at a you know over 130 150 miles hour so anyways um I know people got I know that um I'll try to articulate this without putting myself in a bad spot but um when priest flipped Daytona so priest flips at Daytona and yes it was violent yes it was eye-catching and very uh profound but I mean I had seen that many many times in my life Rusty Wallace multiple times in his career uh Ricky Rudd in the 15 is a historic flip at Daytona um I've had one on the back straightaway in the helman's car I think uh down back straight away Daytona um you know violent uh flips you know Tony Stewart down the back straightway Daytona in the 2001 Daytona 500 I believe there's just been a lot of those that have happened and when that when when priest Rex uh everybody I was really kind of surprised at everybody's else's reaction as I am a bit to the seven car flipping they're like whoa wait a minute now that ain't supposed to happen and I'm like when is that not supposed to happen that's always happened I don't care how many flaps and wings and whatever the hell you got going on hatches I don't give a damn when those cars are going that fast and they get in the precarious scenario or situation there's potential for it to flip and get airborne it's going to happen no matter how you know how much engineering you try to put into the car and so I'm I wasn't that shocked by what happened to priests it was those flips that priests experienced were very quick rotations that's dangerous for a driver mentally brain brain that's that's dangerous for the body um but I'd seen it before and I and and I and I wasn't I was you know you're always a bit wild when you see a car flip because it's so it is so unusual but it's not that um you know it's just it's it's G to happen it's just what we're going to have happen from time to time and I don't know that you know I will it get a big reaction from Nascar will they like feel like they've got to you know get back in the you know control room and get back to work and developing some way to figure out how to fix it I don't know if they will will they just go hey man that's a product of our sport I don't know if they'll do that but um yeah I was I I wasn't uh I wasn't too distressed by I don't think NASCAR needs to overreact to this like I I I didn't think Cory's flip was that egregious I think Ryan priest's was pretty damn egre like you know it was a big big flip there's not there's not really good footage of this wreck but dick Brooks flips down the back straightway at Talladega I Believe In 1976 and there's not really good footage of it but there's it's old old Ford Mercury or or some type of Ford uh that he was driving juny Don his car and there's as the car is flipping the mud and dirt is flying the parts and pieces the H things are coming off the car being slung off the car into the air um reminiscent of Dar wal slipped down the back straight away in the Western Auto car at Daytona uh which was pretty violent and uh there's the the I believe one of the top three or top five most iconic photos ever taken of our sport is Dick Brooks being helped out of the front windshield of that race car as it's sitting in the back straightaway dirt it's amazing this picture he is okay he gets out of the car the car doesn't it doesn't look like looking at the car and thinking about how archaic the safety measures were to the cars back then and looking at the roof crushed down on the left side you don't it doesn't look like it's something that he should have been able to get out of under his own power but These Guys these just nondescript civilians are just help you know helping him out of this car covered in dirt and it's just what a it's a very powerful photo and every time that I see one of our cars today with all of our safety measures get upside down I think about that wreck I don't know what I'm trying to say but I just I'm drawn to that wreck and I'm thinking I ain't I'm not worried when our guys get upside down because I know dick Brooks survived this without any of the things that we have in place today and um I'm more again when a guy like weatherman when when the wreck like weatherman happens I am I'm more worried about that and I'm I'm more likely to want to know how that driver is on Monday morning um and and that's the one that I know can get you and so yeah so you know I I I I think uh you know maybe I'm even making a little bit too much out of this thing but it was uh you know and it's Michigan where we run you know we're used to seeing these type of wrecks at Dayton and Talladega but they they've they don't run as fast there we're running 200 over 200 miles hour 209 I think at one point uh was registered on the car two I remember when we were racing there when they repaved it in 2012-ish we were doing 218 into turn one averaging 24 lap yeah flying so like we're almost going faster at Michigan we are oh yeah almost yeah you are and so now Michigan is one of if not the fastest Racetrack and hopefully they don't put plates on them they don't try to do things that are going to to hurt uh you know the style of racing there which I don't know uh you know they did that to the xinity series it turned out to be an okay race either way I know I'm biased to seven wins whatever uh we're very happy here at Junior mer Sports about that but the race itself when if when they dropped a green flag and they all jumped in the Top Line nose to tail and everybody was scared to go low to P because they were going to get trained that sucked and so I don't like that but when the tire started to wear guys were sliding around racing started to happen um but I would be worried if um I hope NASCAR doesn't think that they need to go look at the package and what are we going to do we got to slow them down in Michigan last question I have about this lejoy flip you're explaining like the nextg car and rocker almost like assisting in that flip like could you just yeah I will explain that yeah so Kenny W and a lot of people have noted the bottom of the car being flat uh one of the one things that I noticed when the nextg car was uh unveiled was if you if you look at the Rocker Box on the next gen car which is at the bottom at the bottom of the door there's a radius to that um if you go all the way back to the mid90s and look at the Rock rocker panel or the doors of cup cars they had a big giant roll to them a big radius all the way to the frame rail and it was round and air just went right under there when the car got sideways air either went right under the car or over it and and literally that was creating a ton of lift and the cars would go upside down pretty easy and then when I start just coincidentally when I began racing in at least the the the bush series I'm not sure when the cup series started doing this maybe the year before in 97 immediately rocker panels changed entirely they the doors of the cars were completely straight down to a 90° rocker that went right under the car to the frame rail and we started adding skirts to get even closer to the ground and that to an extent lessened the ability for air to climb under the car or be invited under the car when and and Rockers have been that way ever since until the next gen car so the next gen car comes out and they unveil it and I look at The Rocker Box because I noticed that they weren't painted and uh NASCAR manufacturers not NASCAR sorry manufacturers had claimed the rocker panel as an identity Mark and no teams were allowed to paint them which is so infuriating and so um you'll notice some of the teams that worry less about manufacturer support paint the out of their rocker boxes hell yeah you love we love those thank you yes um and so that Rocker Box has a radius it's tight it's not as a aggressive as what you might have seen on our cup cars in 1996 or 95 but it's not as hard of a 90° cut right or a Break um and so I wonder if that Rocker Box at the bottom having that small radius is inviting air underneath the car even when it's really close to the ground is that allowing air is that like hey come on air come on under here and so also I was noticing that as you get toward the rear tires that Rocker Box kind of ramps upward and and away from the ground and so you know there's just some little small characteristics like that that I noticed that may if there's physical things that NASCAR would want to do I hope that they don't change power and drag and downforce don't put giant ass spoilers on them don't choke the motor down don't do that um but if there's a physical technical part or piece on the body instead of just turning the the roof into a giant flap um you know that they could look at that Rocker Box radius and and maybe there's nothing there maybe I don't know what I'm talking about but they could look at it and say hey man you know maybe if that was a 90 degree hard you know break right there and and a flat surface it's less inviting for air to roll underneath it like a wing on an airplane right that was the only thing that I would have brought up that that I would say okay if we want to go change something where could we look and and find some some gains and maybe The Rocker Box that you race at Bristol isn't the same Rocker Box you race at Michigan right yeah like if you if you don't want the teams to have to spend all this money changing every single Rocker Box in the building maybe you just add to the current Rock Rocker Box maybe there's a piece that could be added there to make that a sharp sharp edge and um and and maybe it makes less lift when the car sideways maybe it doesn't but that was the one thing I saw um and and when you put the uh when you put that um I always forget the name of this thing because we haven't had this in the sport for the entire time it's existed um the diffuser yeah so when you put the diffuser underneath the car and forget the hatch that opens up right when the when the roof hatch opens there's this hatch at the back of the car that pops open but when you look at a diffuser and you think about a NASCAR cup car with a diffuser on it going going 180 mph backwards does it not look like it should just fly into the freaking air yeah it's got all this Arrow going the wrong way it's opposite of yeah how is that not gonna make lift yeah it looks looks like it will right um so I don't know I mean I don't think I think that they would have to go to such drastic measures in other areas to fix this to really truly truly fix it and it will likely be a detriment to the product on the racetrack but why are we like if if cup drivers are coming out and saying like look flips happen but they're not that bad why are we that worried about it you know like we don't know what NASCAR's reaction is going to be to we're anticipating something cuz we we're nervous Nar is going to do something oh CRA they happened in the 70s ' 80s the 90s now it's like why overreact to it it happened well maybe they won't you know I I'm hoping that they don't that's what getting out with with your point here is that like let's just say it for what it is it's a wreck let's move on another big debate about this RAC trck or this past weekend again is uh we had a little weather uh the start time debate always fires up anytime there's any kind of a weather issue uh and here's the you know here for fans for the most part I believe understand all of the parameters that are involved here and why things are the way they are but to to break it down really quickly I'm not it's not possible for me to do anything quickly but uh for me to break it down uh the thought the start times are not chosen by NASCAR quit quit with the this NASCAR Bunch quit with that quit that I look I I give NASCAR hard time when I feel like it they deserve it but they don't deserve uh the credit for this um the the start times are predicted by and chosen by networks and they they they influence that mostly and they know what the hell they're doing they want to put this race where they feel like it'll get the best number that's as simple as it is it's not a NASCAR Choice NASCAR the and the and the the networks pay enough money to have the right and authority over NASCAR when to put the race on that's just the way it is when the sport was so small that our TV deals were minimal we put the races where we want but the TV came in and said we're going to give you a giant pile of money but you got to let us put the races on when we want them and anyone who's listening right now would take that giant pile of money and say you got it buddy 3:00 love it we'll be ready and so that's kind of how this all works and you know Nascar has to you know if there's a little weather coming Nascar has to really arm wrestle to get the race pushed up 10 20 minutes it ain't like this super easy thing and people are like well they could have you know they knew it wasn't going to rain they should have did this or and so you know they did move the All-Star Race or not the Allstar race they did move the Clash but I think that they The Clash was such a disaster anyways that nobody cared um it certainly didn't didn't I mean it wasn't a big deal but you know this is a you know this is kind of a a a situation where you can't put the you can't you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube now that the you know now that the TV deals are as large as they are the networks are going to want to try to maximize their advertising dollars and get all of that money back and then some and so they need to put these races where they feel like they'll get the best number um and they would avoid competing against any show that's going to have a large audience so they don't want to go up against the NFL at 1:00 I understand that I don't love it I don't like it and I don't care I think we ought to be like you know if it ain't you know I I I can't if I were in control of NASCAR nothing would change because I don't have the authority to change this the networks do I'm of the idea that yes your numbers are better at 3:00 all right and there's short-term gain there but I believe over the course of a decade or two decades that it's sours on people we hear this you know comp we hear this conversation about the the start times come up every time now is this group of people myself included that are complaining about the start times big enough to matter is this does TV even care I don't know I I mean I don't think they I don't think that's the question I think is are the people myself included that are making noise about this a large enough group or piece of the pie to really make any change or effect change right maybe um you know there's a lot of noise about it but maybe it's not maybe it's you 10 20,000 people that are complaining about it I don't know I think it's more than that you think it's more than that definitely but so if it's enough to make a difference that's what I think is possible Right short-term game putting the race at 3:00 good TV number TV's happy NASCAR looks at the TV number we're happy then you go through a decade or two of the constant threat of rain and the complaining and the souring of the start times and start times are becoming the start time is becoming less and less popular less and less liked more and more frustration and so the long term I think is bad detrimental and so um and I also think why why not go up against the NFL I mean it a it ain't about us against them it's just like why avoid why are we avoiding the big guy because you lose viewers don't you think there's going to be some casual NASCAR fans who oh if I have to choose we can't we can't ever gain those viewers if we don't go battle what if they could watch both though well they can I mean they can this day and age but I've always I've always felt like why are we running why we running away from that why don't I I NASCAR to me is number one NASCAR to me is the best thing going NASCAR to me can start at one freaking o'clock if it wants to NASCAR don't have to settle for three because that's a better time slot when we all know 1:00 is the best time slot the NFL is sitting on one o'clock because it's great NFL ain't starting at three because it's better they start at one because that's better right and so and they don't even prioritize one o'clock it's the eight o'clock game that's the big game of the week so it's it's you know it's I mean and you got to point with like people stream multiple things now like I'm a I'm a dolphins fan I'm GNA watch Dolphins games and NASCAR races at the same time I just don't I just don't like the idea that we're we're settling I feel it feels like we settle uh or feels like we're we're having to maneuver uh because of the bigger bigger thing in the room right or like we're not the like bigger name on the line yeah we we'll take the next call or like we're like the under we're on the way yeah we're the under yes I that's the vibe I get but I mean I get it I I sort of get it I do too I so I think if you're going to act like and portray and be the underdog you'll always be the underdog and people are going to see you as the underdog in my mind and and listen I don't Des this is probably why I don't need to be running this is because I'd be so hard-headed and like no man I ain't moving I ain't moving over I this is my space and this is where I want to be and I'm going to put my race on at this time and I don't care what the numbers say I don't care what the stats say I don't care I don't care and my viewership number would likely be less but I feel like over the long gain I would be better off and I felt like when we started maneuvering and and playing the undercard then we settle to be the undercard forever I think you got to go you know where the best shot is for you yeah and and it's unfortunate and but my question is like this whole conversation has started because of rain right I think if it didn't rain most people would be like 3030 whatever so let me ask you this what you think is a better TV rating 1 p.m. on a Sunday or 11 o'cl on a Monday well I mean Sunday right so why not move the race up like I right now against the NFL and also you're going against the NFL whether you started at 3:30 1:00 4:00 there there's NFL games on all day Su so why not why not move it up and get the whole race in on Sunday instead of waiting now you're now you're putting up against the clock you're waiting for rain do you really want to get into the weeds then you're cutting into to NBC also has Premier League coverage which is what was on before NASCAR talk about the free fights to pay for that exactly but it's like if NBC doesn't want to compete against itself you can have both I get that but like you're you're you're sacrificing like I guarantee you a a minimal margin of people watched the race yesterday because it was at 11:00 on a Monday versus start it early I know it's not ideal I know there's Logistics out the ass to try and get that to happen but start it early start it at 1:00 when you know there's a threat of rain I'm of the camp and I saw this on Twitter uh it might be a less popular take but I'm just as long as the start times are consistent and I can just always Bank on like if if I know it's going to be a 2 to 3:30 window every weekend I can plan my Sunday around it like there's not a whole lot of think and I think that long term will keep your viewers because if you're routin if you're conditioned to watching at the same time that's going to help you're 100% correct Andrew my the problem for me though is that how how long have we had these these you know three-ish o'clock starts a long time they've been around a while right and I still am not I'm still ain't programmed I mean if I'm not programmed I'm plugged into this this is my life and I'm not freaking programmed like I'm not like oh yeah man I know when the race starts I don't got a freaking clue I've got to always go look on my phone or look on the NASCAR app to see what time the race is going to start because I don't know and so maybe um maybe this is not true but I felt like that when I was growing up 1 o00 was when the race started cuz NFL when they start 1:00 MLB where their day game start 1:00 on East East Coast time I mean can't be that bad of a damn time I I don't get why for NASCAR 330 is great but for NFL and MLB 1:00 is great or NBA I don't I don't understand it NHL they all start at 1:00 or 7 o'cl and I wonder if they flip to one how much of the number would change how much if they're watch you know how many people are watching a cup race these days 200 2 a half million yeah about average and so would we go to 1.8 I mean we get would we drop significantly or would it drop to tense but wouldn't a t like aren't they trying to get every even if it is yes they are they are so um yeah I don't but I believe that the two1 that you gain today we're getting so many people pissed off that they're almost like eff it I'm if I've got to look it up and I've got to learn when it is or where it is uh yeah I just I'll just not do it I don't you know I they'll do something else with their time um they're getting you know a little annoyed I guess by the late start times and the especially at RAC trcks without lights and you know there's no hope once there's a long delay of getting the race started because if they can't finish it they can't start it nasar's got that rule right where if they don't feel like they can get the race completed within the time they have they can't even begin the race and so uh I don't know but are you going to start this one at one and next week go back to three and then 3 3 3 3 3 77 one1 what the you know um it's just confusing as heck but um this has been going on for a while I don't see a solution and I know why the networks do it I know why NASCAR doesn't get in the middle of it and I know why fans are frustrated um but I feel like uh I can't prove it and so it 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matter what you're trying to achieve no one has time to waste from construction sites to factory floors safety culture is designed to drive improvements not just in safety but broadly across quality and efficiency too are you ready to put your workplace in the poll position well head to safety culture.com SVG I guess you know Ross Chastain had a reasonably good if anybody should be angry about that late yellow it should be Ross right cuz oh yeah cuz he got spun you could say yeah that that would I mean obviously would not have happened had the yellow not come out but um that's the that's the that's more I think that's more frustrating for me as a driver and I'd love to hear this from other guys um if I'm reic who's matter right Ross Chastain who was going to finish where he was having a decent run better 12th or better I think yeah and then he finishes a lap down 20 something six or whatever who's matter him about the yellow or Tyler reic if he gets beat by the 24 uh now T now your reic your ego and your pride is going to tell you to answer reic right now that's because he's that's the win that's the short term though the long term I think Ross is more mad he's going to carry that in next week I mean yeah long term if if you point to Michigan as the reason you didn't make the playoffs then there a chunk of points right there yeah reck while he would be ticked off that he didn't win the race he's going into the competition meeting on Tuesday with his team going man we had a good day if that thing wouldn't they're smiling Ross is not going to his competition smiling yeah he's not smiling for the rest of the week although a late race costume did end up saving him the week before with Richmond because Austin Dylan was going to knock him out of the playoffs but he's not going to remember that nope um it's pretty interesting between uh between Ross and Bubba there's one point uh for that final 16th position KY Bush looked like he was in position to have a shot at winning the race but the two tires strategy uh just didn't provide enough speed in the number eight car but they're running better uh two great runs for the past uh two weeks for RCR have they found something have they found enough to be able to get them Victory Lane they have been really good at Daytona and so I would watch out do you think Daytona is as chaotic this year without it being the cutoff race you you noted that yep so if they go to um when they go to Daytona if you're wanting to be entertained keep your eye on the carve KY bus uh not I mean the dude's going to be hellbent risk it all maybe you won't see him do anything in in the first two stages don't be alarmed there's no reason for him to be racing for stage points he's 93 points from the cut line he's not going to point his way in they're probably going to be taking care of that car as well as they can and then in stage three you're going to see uh Kyle Bush doing everything he freaking possibly can one of the one of the best uh in the in the in the sport one of the most talented drivers in he'll be in a in a car that's going to be pushing the limits you better believe that this eight car that they're prepping for Kyle bus is going to have all the bells and whistles and then some they're not going to leave nothing on the table so that'll be pretty interesting to to see how that goes uh do do we have to mentally prepare ourselves for that's the type of race we're going to get like stages one and two like all right might not be the most exciting thing in the world people are going to all save their stuff the end I think there'll be people that need stage points okay and have to race for them Bubba Wallace I think in this scenario is probably going to go out there and say I believe what he did in the past same situation for Bubba in the past I believe his approach was I'm gonna go race hard and get stage points and put the other car like Ross chain put put the pressure on Ross Chastain what did I say Ross chain Ross chain yeah new nickname that is Ross chain Chastain I believe bubble will go try to put the pressure on him and say hey I'm going to race only way I know how to race here and that's try to go to the front and get get get get stage points and that and if he can you know think about it if he gets 12 or or so or you know if he gets a good little cushion on stage points the pressure's on Ross at the end of that race um Chris busher I don't know what he does plus 16 like yeah can he afford to sit in the back allowing Ross or or Bubba to gain a half dozen points or a dozen points on him that's a tough spot because like you cannot wreck your car wck can't fall behind either yeah he's in a tough spot you'd think being 16 to the good would you'd be happy I would think you almost race as desperate as CH and Bubba right if I'm Chris Bucher I might be even more nervous than Ross and Bubba CU you I mean you've almost have more to lose yes they have nothing to lose yeah I'll tell you what though he won Daytona last year and he probably should have won Darlington earlier in the year I love going yeah I'm confident in him you're confident um Ty Gibbs at plus 39 so he's fine he can crash out I think still still be fine he ran good at Darlington too so the 54s there was a moment yesterday going Daytona no I know I'm just saying I'm looking ahead oh wow oh your guy your guys are to your point Dale you're looking ahead he's he's already considering Dayton a crapshoot gotcha yeah all right um and also we have to remember the threat of anybody you know you have everyone below the cut line MH that's in the same boat as Kyle Bush right that they can go out there and and steal a win and leap into the playoffs uh Bowman Gray uh The Clash was announced that it'll be going there um and so there's been some schedule leaks that we've been seeing as well on the line we w't talk about that a little bit uh but Bowman Gray are you guys excited about that one of the things so I think I'm going forgive NASCAR for taking the boat bman gray Clash out to the West Coast for a couple years The Bowman Gray Clash we loaned it out there we did a little bit when when they were talking about doing a race inside the the LA Coliseum I'm like what I mean a lot of people like myself are were like well you got the you got it here do it here you already got the builtin cheaper cheaper you you've already got every ticket sold yeah um you could make this insane right and it's right here in our backyard we love racing in our backyard easy for the teams and families and so they you know but it's okay it finally got here and I'm excited about it I see some fans chirping you know especially after NASCAR uh dumps the penalty on dying midweek the week announ fans are like oh you're gonna be find you you're gonna find find this guy penalize this guy but you're you're basically taking the race to this racetrack where all of that's going to happen how you know you setting yourself up for failure NASCAR because you're going to have to you know dull out your penalties for The Clash but maybe you will maybe you won't exhibition race though you know what's going to happen you know what's going to happen and this has also been a little bit annoying uh but amusing at the same time someone will get dumped at The Clash at Bowman Gray someone will get moved and possibly spun out and the winner will not get penalized for it what are they gonna do take their playoff away like you don't even get qualified for playoffs there I know but they won't even blink at penalizing somebody I'm going tell you if you want to spend one car out that's perfectly fine and that's never been yeah that's never been a problem it's fine I think it's when you do two I think it's when you do when you go when you go for the twofer yeah it was Boo the boogo deal get the combo it was the combo punch that took him out you can't wreck two you wreck one yeah there's no buy one throw the left and the right third place drives down into the grass at Bowman gry wipes out first and second that guy might not get the trophy only if you wipe out first to second but just you won't and and but you're okay if you just wreck one car right that's what I'm saying first or second everybody should be clear on that right yes okay we're all clear on that right definitely clear you can spin one car you cannot wreck two cars it's like a little punch card I think you get one you get one card I think that's what I've learned at a time though I think that's what I've learned and I'm okay with that I feel like I feel like I felt that was my own values right yeah yeah it's aligned with NASCAR like I'm comfortable spinning one car did we just did we just find the line is the line might have just found the line we were trying to find the line last we have put a line down and there it is yes that's the rule I'm glad we cleared that up for everyone we're going to we're going to reference that as our own rule even though that's not nar's rules um does Dylan's appeal get turned over I don't think there's a chance so Denny said on actions detrimental that there's a chance that whatever Dylan says that they might take the win away from him too like it could go the opposite it's I that's I mean Denny didn't think it was likely but he's like anything can happen in appeal Anything could happen but anything could happen I don't think the will get turned over taking your win again I think everything's I think everything fing this appeal was a mistake you're no longer the winner right um I don't think that happens uh that's funny from Denny which by the way on that show he explains the appeal process in even more detail and from from a year ago and it's a great listen so go listen to that well I uh I just I listen I think I was talking to some friends about this I think that that Austin and his team will put forth a great argument yeah I do I don't think that there wasting their time I don't think that I don't think that what they're going to bring to the table and show to the board is silly I honestly feel like that they believe what they're going to tell them like Austin and his team they believe they're not sitting here with these stats going yeah look at this man this is fine you know they're not lying they're not they're not they're not trying to me nefarious or anything like that they truly believe that they didn't they didn't do this and they're they got they they believe that they've got the data to show and um so that's why I'm okay with them appealing and and I just don't believe that they'll win it I you know the one thing about this is it's it's such a judgment call of a ball uh it's such a it's such a judgment call whereas like in most appeals it's a technical part an inspection process a flaw somewhere that a team has stumbled upon intentionally or unintentionally in the processes of technical inspection pre or post race and so if you can come make an argument and Junior Motorsports has won some appeals that maybe they they were illegal but the processes of the the sport were were flawed and so if in those cases the appeal board can be super effective because they can look at it from a completely non-biased point of view and go yeah y'all definitely got one through on NASCAR but they got to fix this hole in the rule book so NASCAR go write a new rule and every and give the team back their position this is not that this is basically trying to determine like a judgment call and I just don't know how you get a panel to sit there and go uh I don't know what they can I don't really know how they can look at this and and reverse it because I don't think that there's any tangible true evidence to to it's kind of like um this feels a lot like the when the NFL has a a a a replay uh review they need like this really great evidence to overturn it it's sometimes such a you know such a difficult decision like definitive proof it's got to be definitive proof and I don't believe that there is any definitive proof in this yeah it's just uh it's just this person said this and this person said that and who do you believe right there's no factual thing that I think that Dylan could put in front of him and go oh come on y'all it's obvious I didn't you know deserve to get penalized I think that's how this is going to fall How would how in the world would they be able to have definitive proof that he didn't intentionally do that yeah and backing up what you had to say there the section in the rule book that they referenced I'm just trying to find different ways to say it I love it um is 12 321b which I will read out what it says and it says race finishes must be un cumbered by violations of the NASCAR rules or other actions detrimental to stock car auto racing or NASCAR as determined in the sole discretion of NASCAR it's like you can't point to the rule book and be like yeah that we didn't violate that I mean it's like a discretion kind of like NASCAR's like we can choose what we want and penalize in the end we are going to make the final decision yeah um so that's kind of way I feel about that we'll see how it goes uh speaking of leak schedules uh there's been a couple different Outlets where a NASCAR 2025 schedule has inadvertently popped up and then with and then quickly been deleted MH uh one of the one of the uh kind of unknowns was the the the race in Mexico City there was a chance that if the Mexico City didn't work out for whatever reason NASCAR couldn't get the deal done they would go to Canada well it looks like Mex city is going to happen Iowa is still there which is a surprise to me mhm um iow was going to make it another year it's amazing that you could read this being that it's in Spanish yeah um you know what Daytona in Spanish is Daytona Daytona um this I like it you know uh Miami again homestead's going to be in the first third of the year uh the idea or the the rumor there is that they got moved to this particular part of the Year probably an for them but there there's a I think that it's going to end up I'm just going to guess that it's going to end up as the finale again hopefully back maybe in 2026 yeah and so maybe um we'll see where we'll see what happens Richmond loses a date yeah that's an unfortunate thing for Richmond but we kind of saw the writing on the wall with the short track package being as crappy as it's been over the last handful of years since the next gen car come on I'm not going to go easy on that that's been terrible atrocious and so it if we you know you can say what you want about Richmond the racetrack the facility um how they've how they've how they've performed in terms of modernizing comparable to other facilities uh and and what kind of draw it might be but the the the lousy you know way that the short track package has been going for a while is the number one reason why that race track doesn't have two dates yeah I mean the mile and a half's are kind of handcuffed where our bread and butter is right now which leads us to the playoffs yeah so we see what I did there yeah good job um wilksboro still an All-Star Race can't wait to hopefully see a points race there I'm I'm ready for the All-Star Race to move somewhere else uh and for wilksboro to get a 400 lapper or something like that and um Easter break officially off Easter for the cup series that's good yes uh darlington's moved up Chicago's still there and sonoma's moved into a different part of the year which I think I'll be doing that so Amy will be happy oh yeah yeah uh not much else uh I mean I mean the playoffs looks playf St Louis New Hampshire how the hell did St Louis end up in the playoffs that's a great question like what I would love to know I don't I'm not saying it's such a bizarre I'm not it is bizarre it's fine you know I mean there's no there's no like sort of uh oh you don't deserve this kind of vibe it's just like I wonder how that even happened I didn't think it' have a chance at getting in the playoffs ever no not ever but I didn't think it it just sort of it just still feels like it just got here in terms of the cup series and now it's in the playoffs and so I'm wondering where the what the reasoning was what the reasons why and I want to say the ter down I think mentioned this way back when we were talking about it but St Louis is not NASCAR owned and so NASCAR took one of their own tracks out of the playoffs so does that mean they're looking to purchase St Louis like that's what at least you know bian and Gluck I think they've got their eyes on and I know the indie car is racing at St Louis right uh in June I believe so it's like they had to find another place for it but I don't see why they couldn't have been Miami yeah um the Charlotte Ro the Charlotte roal is still around unfortunately things hanging on good um T there's a lot there's a lot of people that love the Ral and I know they're I know that I'm in the smaller I'm in the smaller group of folks that wish it was an oval race it's a cool Fan Experience if you're there the you know what I know what's a cool Fan Experience the fall race at Charlotte the oval like I've been so many times that was my favorite it was but I don't disagree I don't disagree with you there but being the infield with the roal is a unique experience people are freaked out about Talla being in that second to you know the semi-finals I mean that's that qualifies you for the championship like what's wrong is Talladega some sort of a freaking fluky race it's a wild card that's no doubt it's a wild card race why what do you mean why like we're talking about Daytona you might get a surprise winner anything can happen like is that the qualifier the surprise winner won't matter at Talladega you're acting like Talladega just got built and that the Super Speedway racing and drafting is like this new thing that just came on to that just shouldn't be uh that shouldn't be valued or or ranked in in in the discipline of short track racing and mile and a Hales and all that stuff you know talladega's been around since' 69 the racing there has been different from time to time but for the most part it's still all the kind of same the same skill of drafting and and maneuvering and and doing what you can I know that it's an 80% chance you're going to crash and I know that there's a lot of fluke winners or or uh the potential chance for a uh long shot winner um but I don't think that that should again I don't think that that should scare the industry away from it being thrown right you know throw the drivers right into those difficult scenarios throw them into those moments where we want to see them Panic do you want to you know I don't want to make I know what you're saying about it's more about integrity I love the drama of it don't disagree there but you're worried about is it is it integral right right is does it make it sort of gimmicky that's that's exactly what would make you feel better if it was the first race in that leg I just like does a change at all it it seems like a round of 12 was a perfect home for it yeah I mean I like the idea of having one of our like round of 16 a bad place for it because I think that's fine too I think anywh well so shut up jtim so if you put it the thing about it going the thing about it going into the round of 16 is is that now you're in you're at more if you're a okay so if it's about integrity and you're you've had one of the best seasons of anyone right all year you go into the round of 16 you've got to beat 15 drivers in this round and you got a race that's such a you know you don't have to beat 15 you got to beat 12 well you got to be 12 sorry um that's so if you're going into the the round of 16 you got to beat 12 in the round of eight you got to beat four right or yeah isn't the margin a lot smaller in the later round that's what I'm saying like so if I would be scared i' would be more nervous if talel was in the first round because there's a chance that 12 of those guys will outpoint the [ __ ] out of me if something bad happens to me at Talladega and I'm in a worse spot now in the round of eight then you get into the Integrity thing right then you get into the gimmicky but how so that's what my argument I think is round of 12 was perfect for it then yeah I think it was fine I don't have any problem with it it doesn't bother me at all I now listen when we get to Talladega next year in 2025 round of eight it's going to be exciting there's no doubt about it but it's just I don't feel like I will even know the difference than it being 12 or eight round of 12 round of eight it's not going to feel different to me when someone locks into the championship four after tallad but who it's going to be the top of the top if they lock in it's not you know like like not not to knock on Justin Haley but he's not in the playoffs right now Justin Haley isn't going to win in the round of eight and get in if he's not in the playoffs it's going to be one of the top eight like I don't see like you have more of a chance with the 16 having like you know uh like if Austin Dylan was in there to win and then make it to the next round and you do a you know Denny hanlin or Kyle arson or whoever is probably going to be around in that eight I I don't like I don't like any Taladega slander I yeah watch your mouth Andrew I'm not hating on Talladega you don't think it deserves to be in the round of eight uh I'm slowly getting there now I'm warming up to it give me give me like race in the regular season how dare them put it in theate that damn race put it back hell sounds you messing up my NASCAR I just like that one of our most like how grounds is a deciding factor in our playoffs and I think that that's the way it should be for all of the tracks in the playoffs like I think Bristol is obviously in there hey sorry you're that was rude no I did I just had a thought just out of my mouth so um I will I will give you this Andrew about Talladega the current package at that track is not good they run because Denny and I talk about this he's like hard to pass he's like you ought to come back and run Daytona I'm like I don't want to do that he's like you don't want to sit in line and ride for 400 miles SA gas what a convincing argument it's like driving down to Dayton you get out of line you're you don't go anywhere with this car and so I watch it and I'm like aggravated watching it it's I I do not now I love broadcasting it cuz I can tell you what's happening but if I'm sending it home on my couch I'm frustrated watching it cuz I know that they would love to race and they can't race this package that they have at Talladega into to an extent Dayton it doesn't allow them to do anything that they want to do and would choose to do we had the you know we had cars in the 2000s and the 20 2018s man that you could put things together make things happen and this car just you get out of line with it just a big old it's just a roadblock and so to I would say if they could fix the package at Talladega you and I would be more excited about excited about that that's all I want just for both of you guys to be on the same page and we I'm sorry to complain more about the car or the package or how the car races but I'm just I'm just stating what the what the hell the truth is that's a good point I mean looking at the playoffs overall do you wish there were more mile and a halfs no I wish there were more short tracks but with the but what you just said what I don't get excited about the short tracks right now given our current package I know fix the package okay fix the package at Talladega fix the short track package they're working on it we all they're working on a short track package if um Denny Hamlin said hey let's just run this red Tire everywhere I think Denny is Right secrets in Good Year oh yeah the tire for the short track stuff is where the answer is or where the biggest gains will be made yeah I like Denny's idea about running the soft tire everywhere mhm but I almost want to see him try the soft tire as the P let me get try see if I get this right the primary the yellows the Reds become the yellows no I want to try to learn this freaking new lingo we got the the uh I'm confuse the F out of everybody listening uh the prime car the pre the prime Tire should be the uh the the red Tire um yeah where are y'all following along I'm sure you are crystal CLE I'm sure you are different tire or just changed the color I want it to be blue why can't it be blue so the soft tire should be the main tire and they should try to even go another giant step softer oh as as your secondary as your as that's the new red yeah but it'd probably wear out in 10 laps yellow is the new red and not be worth just uh Denny's Point Let's just run that red Tire every everywhere I'd be down with that yeah Phoenix oh dude that would be unbelievable that would yeah that would get me excited about Phoenix all right uh as we mentioned in the Infinity race Justin alar wins uh Junior Motorsports we entered five cars we crashed three um just a tough day uh on that side of it yeah what's that roller that's got to be weird feeling all right so the race is over and I want to go on Twitter or X and and comment I don't want to uh you know when our car wins I don't want people to go damn Junior didn't say right so uh I'm g go on there now I'mma go on there and I want to go damn right Justin alar hell of a job buddy woo Junior Motorsports all our employees MH but I did have three cars crash and they're not that damn happy about that and so you know you don't you don't know how to respond because you don't want to alienate these three drivers that were swept up in these wrecks that didn't need to happen right the re they were they weren't really the ones that caused them um you know Parker clingerman shoving the 45 Rex out 88 uh late in the race and and at least that's what I thought I saw um and so you know you kind of it's it's weird you don't know how to feel so you go on there and and that's all I know to say is I don't know how to feel I I am happy I'm mad I'm sad I'm you want me to read your tweet no I just said I just said it it's pretty much the same thing I just did we don't have to read it but hey we came here yesterday and we had a beer toast to be able to tell the employees how thankful we were and how we need to gear up for the playoffs um Justin's won a ton of stages this year but hasn't been able to put the races together and finally we able to do it we passed all them Joe Gibbs cars hell yeah whooped up on them Jo Gibbs cars they're the best their cars are so fast they got great little drivers in there little drivers and oh they do got great little drivers um but it's it's so rewarding when you beat teams like that because you know they're great you want to beat the best I don't mean I want to I'm trying my best to give them the compliment here um that has been the standard in the Xfinity series for a long time the Joe Gibbs cars mhm um I mean especially back when Kyle was running a lot of races my gosh um and so you know Ty Gibs was difficult to beat um they find you know they find you know speed that that a lot of teams don't find and and it's tough to beat them so it's very rewarding to have such a great day this week's segment of dirty air was brought to you by Tire Pros there are a few people who love cars as much as I do but these Tire and Service Experts equally love the drive they offer a huge selection of name tires and Full Service Repairs from oil changes to alignments to brakes the Tire Pros gives your vehicle the TLC it deserves Tire Pros is unique because each location is owned by men and women in your community but with the added support of resources of over 600 locations worldwide almost got there next time you need to take your car in show your neighbors some love and take it to your local Tire Pros you've heard us talk a lot 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look like uh a lot of people um we just moved and um you know it I I we need I needed to do some stuff to to my my my previous house and uh there was this house that that my wife had been looking at for months and months and months and it was still uh still on the market and I finally caved and went and looked at it and that was my mistake I fell in love with it so uh we just moved we just got married uh we just won a race we had a lot going on but uh it was a the new house is a great spot to to have a have a gathering I don't think my neighbors understood what was probably going on last night there's a bunch of cars filling up the filling up the neighborhoods they were probably all pissed off about that but uh hopefully hopefully they some way get used to it but um it was it was so nice being able to um you know start the race at 11:00 like we did and get home I I can't remember the last time I landed um gotten off the airplane the sun was still up so it gave us plenty of time to to have a good Gathering and I think I still went to bed at a decent hour I I don't know I couldn't find my phone I finally found it out the door and now I'm talking to you guys so yeah it uh it was a great time um you know a lot of the the folks that uh folks with Beast uh brought a bunch of uh Beast unleash nasty Beast um it was it was a great time have you had a chance to see the Trux uh contact with wall and has your opinion calmed down a little bit over NASCAR's uh trigger happy uh caution button finger [Laughter] whatever um I think I I uh I think I've only seen like the the clips where they like P it you know real quick he'd already hit the wall um I was trying to watch it and kind of catch up on the way I'm probably not supposed to say that on the way to shop I was uh listening to it I guess I can say that I was listening to it I wasn't watching it so I was I was trying to catch up catch up but um yeah I didn't I didn't see Martin's car post race you know but but I would imagine it was pretty significant contact it kind of looked like it from the little pieces of it that there's nothing more in yeah no no there isn't it I was I was mad I just needed to calm down and focus ahead on um you know the restarts that were coming so that'll get better as I get older I'll I'll continue to improve on that I realize it's it's not over you know we got a shot yeah no I thought your reaction was fine I've I've I've that annoys out of me anytime you're sitting there cruising with a wind in your hand and a c flag comes out you know you just need to get to the White Flag um but uh So you you're in this really great position uh for the playoffs and I know you want to try to continue to uh put yourself in an even better position but you basically got this weekend coming up and you got a teammate uh and you know what situation Bubba's in right there at the bubble uh I know y'all haven't probably had a competition meeting to be able to really dive down into the nuts and bolts of a strategy but what will be your uh what what will be your approach I imagine Bubba's probably just going to race hard try to get St stage points try to do everything you can to put the pressure on Chastain um but what do you do what can you do as a teammate I think we pretty much are going to do be on the same strategy as him um you know the speedway racing man is is is just something else right now um if if we weren't saving fuel like we do the racing would be awful the entire um it would be terrible um that's that's what that's the funniest thing in all this if if we weren't saving fuel before we hit Pit Road you know for that stage or whatever we'd just be two by two the entire race wide open and just no one would go anywhere um because I think a lot of these guys have gotten smart and understood that you know if you're controlling the bottom or the top you really don't allow yourself is crazy as sound right I I don't think you allow yourself to generate a run big enough to clear to the bottom or clear to the top because that just opens up um the inside or outside Lane for the car that's behind you and that's when you can kind of see that you know cycle occur you know I think in the beginning we saw that a lot whereas the bottom or the top you know they'd cycle up or cycle down and then the next car up would take control of the inside or outside lane and then theyd kind of be the car controlling at all so yeah if it wasn't for the fuel saving that that that goes on um I don't think You' really even see see the racing that we kind of do so yeah i' I'd rather be racing wide open but it is it is a very complex battle on the racetrack that you're facing you know you're trying to um save fuel you're trying not to be the last car on the lead lap or last car in the pack while you you know you do save less fuel at the very very back if you're the last car in the pack uh it affects the numbers there but um yeah it's just a complex situation every single stage and I think just because of that I don't think you can really risk throwing away the stage points all those things I think you kind of just have to stay up there and stay in the mix um and just hope that you aren't a part of of the wreck if it happens um I think 23's got to do the same thing we're just going to do what we can to save save fuel and try to you know cycle ourselves to the front um at the end of the stages Monday races um I've always thought that uh when we have a rain delay and the race gets moved to the next day that some guys don't stay up for the race the next day they when they get back in the car on Monday they've lost a little bit of give a and so um at least in my mind I always tried to take advantage of that and this was a chance for me to to to to be you know to to to take take advantage of people that aren't motivated or lost some motivation overnight do you think that that's the thing I think it happens sometimes for sure it's just situational um it would have been very easy for that to happen to us I feel like um I remember every time it rained I I I normally just go to the box and to hang out with Billy U but I kind of communicated with him you know the each time what I was kind of feeling before I even got out of the car and I personally went back to the bus and I I was I was playing some Xbox I was kind of checked out I was kind of doing what you're talking about um when they finally called it me and my kid were sitting there we were playing Bluey and having a good time you know just time was just kind of Blowing by I I knew we had some work to do but we you know kind of talked about it we we talked pretty quick we're like all right I think we tighten up a little bit we'll be right and we kind of just left it that and you know I think there's a balance between not caring enough and then there's also the other side of it where you can overthink yourself uh into this into this whole area you don't need to be so there's a balance I was a little bit on the on the side of probably not thinking too much about it but um you know we had a plan going into Monday the first time we hit Pit Road um and it really seemed like that was the adjustment we needed it's it's a tough thing especially a place like Michigan you know you're understand all right am I too tight am I too loose am I loose because of where I just ran that lap am I loose because of the air I got I got put in um and so it's just it's hard to to really understand what what you're going to need to go a little bit faster and for us um you know I was probably playing it a little bit safe by saying let's tighten up you know I don't want to have a moment spin out all by myself um but in reality I mean it it woke our woke our Camry up and and we were much better well we appreciate it man awesome win great race to to see you uh get up there and make it happen and good luck going forward I know you know you get day tunel behind you and be able to focus on the playoffs it's going to be interesting to see how far you guys can go and capitalize on this momentum you have so thanks for your time today I know you had a a long night last night and you got a lot going on this week uh but we appreciate you giving us some time here absolutely yeah it was fun short week but that's okay it's Daytona we don't need I mean they got they got put the car together but you know I just you know do my lap on uh Friday and and just try to stay out of it on Saturday and score some points Speedway has been good for us this year so hopefully we get another win there too all right now it's time for dirty Modo with Tampa Tims uh making all the Best Bets here in the past weekend at Michigan and looking forward to Daytona dirty Modo out every Thursday they handicap the field for you if you want to get involved in trying to make a little bit of money they might be the guys to listen to uh so we got Tampa here um host of our top 10 finish and he finished 10th he did yeah he did and host ofar over Dylan yes cash that bet both big bets Eric Jones finishing over 18.5 didn't cash 16th he finished tough break damn I'd play I'd play that again every 10 times out of 10 yeah that was a good play and all your live bets didn't work out nope nope I had TR x uh he was Monday Martin so just did that for fun and then Chase I thought Chase was on the good strategy once he passed Byron and then I thought Kyle bus he was 12 to1 live odds so that was good odds and he was on that other strategy I thought so none of them worked out but it's okay all right well you're coming up on a pretty unpredictable race all right so going into Dayton we talked about this last time I think with Talladega um keep the BET simple keep keep it minimal don't get creative don't get smart but what what are you what is your approach uh that exactly that and have fun you know if you want to bet that long shot bet the long shot you know I I think stay away from the favorites is a good good way to go about it that's unpredictable so maybe your win bets I'd keep to you know one or two long shots maybe you throw in if you're a fan of Ryan Blen or Denny Hamlin they'll probably be up there yeah sure why not just have fun don't don't go too crazy keep it small units and have fun with the way this race is positioned in the in the in the part of the Season that it's in you have a lot of unmotivated drivers that are good you know think about uh a Ryan blay or even a d Denny Hamlin right they they're in a good position playoff wise they've got other things uh teammates and and other people out there that they would probably want to see win this race above them they won't openly admit that but you know Denny is going to be trying to help Bubba all he can yeah so I mean in this if you push you if you go back to Talladega they're Racing for themselves right they're trying to win races trying to get stage points trying to do everything they can to help themselves in the playoff else well they're there now they've already accom accomplished everything so to your point uh the the mentality of a lot of drivers might not be exactly what you think going into Daytona yeah to your point I mean this is this is probably the one drafting track restrictor play track that you is probably the most unpredictable one but predictable as well because I I would like you said I would probably Place Bubba before I'd place a Denny wi bet because I would assume Denny's going to try to push Bubba to the win and I think that's a higher percentage chance you'll probably get better ODS so it's a great Point yeah all right man well everybody good luck this weekend and uh again turn in tune in to dirty Modo uh this Thursday to get get even more information and more uh opinions from lar and the rest of the gang uh about this upcoming race of Daytona all right it's time for the White Flag the Tuesday show is coming to a close but don't forget Monday we dropped the tear down with Jeff Gluck and Jordan biani as they covered everything at Michigan and then also uh Monday and today action detrimental with Denny Hamlin and door bumper clear is available thankful for everybody rushing home after the delay in Michigan to get all that done and get that available to us and you um dropping tomorrow Speed Street with Connor Dy and Chase Holden Connor is back full-time racing in the Indie Car Series we're thankful for that and we're we're excited it's awesome yes and so now Connor able to give us a little bit more uh feedback on what he's experiencing behind the wheel of the car and we have Derek COPE in the studio for the interview portion of the Dale junr download this week I'm excited about that going to talk about Derek's um career as a driver day 2500 winner and um a horrible crash he had at Richmond in the exfinity series and then a team owner how did that all work out and what's he doing today uh Thursday we talked about it djd reloaded and then Dirty Mo do comes out as well don't forget the summer games are here Dirty Mo Summer Games all eight episodes are available now on the next level with Andrew kurlin YouTube page that's next level with Andrew kurlin YouTube page and um the professor's bus race dropped over the weekend who's the professor professor on dirty mod Dove of course his bus race yeah well we nicknamed we nicknamed all the events after it's Russell racing insights he had all the insights on the buses I got yeah yeah Andrew took home the big win and the trophy is still here very proud of it hopefully not for much longer yeah and uh Andrew will be at Daytona with our friends at Helman in the fan Zone interviewing you the fans yeah so look out for Andrew and Daytona this this weekend big prizes and giveaways yes yeah there's some there's one in particular prize you have to be there uh that I'm really excited to give away but yeah it is uh in the fan Zone um we're in between the Toyota and the ExAlta gate I want to say I'll be there on 4 to 6 on Friday 2:30 4:30 on Saturday uh dbc's doing a Q&A on Saturday Justin aly's doing a Q&A on uh Friday so there's a lot going on at the helman's display right on man we're thankful for helman's and that's enough about you Andrew Dalton has our weekly social media standout yes uh last week we talked about school and military school and home school and Brian Clifton commented in our YouTube and said just wanted to let you know homeschooled prom sucks damn he's the only one there dressed up is living all right and we got the question of the week uh Tims has a question of the week from bra gaski yeah one time he said he was going to run a race in the truck series and never did is that still on well I'm not retired yet um but I can't find where I would want to race in the truck series and I was thinking Martinsville but when you watch the truck race at Martinsville they're just running through each other every corner and um so I I don't quite know where should I race a truck IRP uh possibly yeahp would be cool IRP would be cool yeah maybe first one to came to mind man I actually do like that racetrack cool Tim's just signed you up yeah you just sign get it going I hate that idea actually um all right so uh thanks for asking that Brad keeping the pressure on man uh I want to dedicate this episode of uh the Dale junor download to Scott Bloomquist and the family of Scott uh just a a tragedy uh for a legend like that uh to pass away Scott was on the show uh recently we uploaded the entire YouTube version of Scott's interview for everybody to see um very entertaining guy uh and I wish that I would have been able to have gotten to know him uh over the decades that he's been in the sport and I know that you know the Scott bloomist bloomist that we know or knew today that it was probably different 10 years ago probably different 20 years ago and I would love to have known him as a person as he evolved and changed and grew up and went through life but lucky enough to be able to had chance to sit down and talk to him uh in this studio and um we're all very sad that he's gone