Stats & Cohn: Rumors About 49ers WRs Deebo Samuel, Brandon Aiyuk & More

what is good everybody Welcome to Stats and Cone here on the gold standard podcast Network I'm Rob stats Guerrera he's Grant con Grant happy Wednesday Wednesdays are the best happy hump day how you doing I'm doing great got a new haircut this morning feeling good you know gonna have a the people listening at home who can't watch he looks immaculate terrific and for me you know that's really saying something um we got a lot of stuff to talk about on today's show Debo Samuel went on with K Adams yesterday had a couple interesting things to say about Brandon auk's future and his future um I have a kind of a get out of jail free plan that involves Debo Samuel late in the off season that I want to run past you you probably tell me it's crazy but nonetheless I want to do that too would never tell you you're crazy the utmost respect yeah I don't know I tell everybody they're crazy so fine if I got a little back that's it's fine that's appropriate and then the last thing I want to touch on too is maybe a little good idea bad idea if we have time let's start with Debo and K Adams Grant he was on yesterday and he said two interesting things about Brandon iuk one he doesn't think auk's going anywhere two that he's kind of advising ba that basically he told him like look it's gonna get ugly like don't think that this is not going to get ugly because he knows how ugly he can get firsthand but I thought that was really interesting that he said basically that he's like you know trying to be an advis are in a buffer between auk and the team pardon me if I smile a little bit I mean it wasn't that long ago that Debo was going through this and he was like kind of throwing a tantrum is that fair to say I mean it's his money it's his life but of all the players on the team who have gone through this process he's the one who seemed the most affected by it I mean he requested a trade he said he didn't want to play for the 49ers anymore he signed a three-year deal instead of a four five six-year deal presumably because he doesn't want to be here forever which was really interesting so now he's got some perspective and he's the one advising Brandon iuk that sounds like bad news what you think it's bad news I think it's I like that Debo was like basically telling him like don't take it I'm just joking it is good news and I I commend Debo Samuel you can grow and change a lot in three years he has a lot more perspective on it and he can go to Brandon and be like look man I you know I was tripping during this time like I was as upset as anyone's ever been and uh we worked it out so let your agent do his job and just forget about it remember this moment from that offseason where somebody held the sign up in the club it said Debo is staying and he gave you like nah you're watching that's my other thing I was thinking so he goes on K Adams and says don't worry Brandon's probably coming back okay what if three years ago two years ago when Debo was going through this someone went on kadam says don't worry Debo's coming back how would Debo feel about that it's a negotiation he's upset he feels a grieve like I just think it's interesting how these things go maybe Brandon didn't want you to say that maybe he wants a little leverage right now I don't know well he doesn't have any leverage that's the thing what's your if you're in the negotiations if I'm the Niners and you're Brandon iuk and you're like hey pay me a new deal what's your leverage what's your fast ball I'm like why should I well I mean if you want to maintain the relationship if you want to go to war with Brandon auk fine you can you can do that for sure but if you want to have like to be to se to be seen as a player friendly organization that doesn't get vindictive with players over four three four million dollar a year you extend them or you trade them that's what the niners did with DeForest Buckner they could have went to war with Buckner and said you're not worth what you think you are you you could hold out if you want what are you gonna do about it but like they're not they haven't really acted that way so it seems like if they know they're way apart with Brandon iuk they could trade him but I'm guessing they're not way apart with Brandon iuk and I don't know I mean Mike Evans just kind of set the market he's going to get $26 million a year could argue that Brandon is worth more they're both second Team all Pros Brandon is five years younger so it seems like that the Marcus the market and either the Niners want to have a top level wide receiver they don't and I think they do yeah I don't know if I'm the 49ers I say Mike Evans has put up a thousand yards every single year of his career Mike Evans is a double digit touchdown scorer multiple years including leading the league and receiving touchdowns last year you're not as good as Mike Evans so we're not going to pay no you're better than Mike Evans you're for sure better than Mike Evans Mike Evans is not getting better at this point he's getting slower he's not what he was a couple of years ago I's improving um he's definitely he's a better route Runner than Mike Evans he's faster than Mike Evans he's a better blocker than Mike Evans Mike Evans had a Hall of Fame career no question great player but you're not paying for what they did you're paying for what they're going to do and I feel much more comfortable paying for what I's going to do that is that's your fast ball if you're Hon you're paying me what for what I'm going to do right um I think it could get really I think the Niners could really put the screws to him if they want to because it's like yeah we'll give you a little more but we're not giving you market rate you're not setting the market like we're not doing that again not for you not for a guy that's only had 2,000 yard seasons in his career not when we're under no obligation whatsoever to do it because you can play Under the fifth year option and then I can franchise you for two years if I really want to um so I I think that it's yeah it might get a little dicey Trent William and Debo might have to calm them down a little bit well let's just think it through uh unemotionally the ners gave Debo Samuel about $24 million a year couple of years ago since then there's been some inflation so Brandon auk to me is at least as good as Debo was when he was up for an extension so for the Niners perspective they should be okay offering Brandon IU $25 million a year or just below it and then from I's perspective if Ivans got 26 I could see him wanting 27 so are they if they're 2 million apart three million apart a year they should be able to work that out considering they drafted this dude traded up for him uh put in so much time to develop him and he exceeded expectations and it's still improving yeah a lot of people have said that like oh they invested so much in iuk but like you did that to try and make him the best player that he is now it's not like oh well we have to sign him because we invested so bunch of like that's spent money you know like don't you can invest in time on tasks like Sweat Equity you you you developed him you spent so many four years turning in from someone that you didn't trust that was in the doghouse to someone who's good at everything blocking route running going over the middle deep I mean he's the total package I'm not saying he's Justin Jefferson Justin Jefferson's also going to get an extension he's going to get 30 $31 million a year as he should I shouldn't get that but he should be to me a little bit higher paid than 30-year-old Mike Evans and I think that's probably not outrageous the ners can backload the deal they can find a way to make it work I was talking with Vish and Vish on Monday basically said he doesn't think they're gonna he thinks they're gonna try to pay auk less than Debo do you think that that enters into the ners thinking at all I mean all respect to Vish on this one maybe he's right but you know the cap has gone up there's been in this guy is a wide receiver when the ners are paying Debo it was like you know he's he's not just a wide receiver he's a wide back and he's versatile like H that didn't never really made loga you're not paying for a running back but a a Bonafide wide receiver with the full route tree who's tough in blocks what are you gonna say it seems like the Market's pretty cut and dry it was it was hard to say what the market is for a wide back but for a all second team allp proo wide receiver who's 25 I think it's pretty cutting dry what he's what he's if the ners try to lowball him and they don't really want him then trade him before the draft if you if you want you can always do that they're gonna lowball them I mean just brace yourself Brandon that's coming that's what the ners I mean that's also part of new is it gonna be offensively low that's the question or is it just going to be you know standard operating procedure that's The Sweet Spot when you're whenever you're negotiating whatever it is whether you're trying to buy a house a contract in the NFL it's how low can we offer this person to not screw our without insulting them exactly and I don't think the ners want to insult Brandon auk I don't think they had a problem insulting DeForest Buckner we didn't draft you you have a very high uh opinion of yourself we don't share it we frankly think Eric armstead's better so if you really want to get 2021 million for your ego and pride go ahead and get it elsewhere I mean that was clear the Niners had that ambivalent attitude towards him but iuk I think is a lot different he plays wide receiver he's Kyle Shanahan's handpick guy Shanahan put him threw the ringer came out looking great I think he's going to stay but I think it's going to get ugly for sure I can see him requesting a trade I can see it going down I mean if again if Debo Samuel is his adviser on this it could get ugly but it should work out and we don't know who else you know Trent Williams sometimes has done that too for people I think Trent was Debo's adviser when he was going through the whole thing so we'll see how that uh works out yeah shout out to Tanisha thank you very much new YouTube channel member we always appreciate the new the YouTube channel members if you want to become one it's less than $3 a month it's a great way to support the channel you get priority comment response custom emojis membership badges as well please and thank you the other thing Debo said or was asked about I should say is the trade rumors surrounding him here's what kadam said four headlines when when you Google your name why the ners should trade Debo Samuel before the draft why Debo Samuel could be traded this off seon season why trading Deo Samuel this offseason is becoming more of a realistic move for the ners these all my articles no idea I knew I tell you there's nobody's you Haven talk to anybody about that right that's not this is just yeah you know that's just people getting on the Internet moving on like so that's all your articles I think so I think I've traded Debo Sam about four or five times all SE I think I traded him yesterday sorry the only way they trade debal to me it seems is if they do it after June 1st because if you do it before June 1st the cap hit is so big it's over $20 million yeah but if you trade him after June 1st you don't make your team better this year so like you could argue if you trade him before the draft you take the cap hit you get a good player in the draft he's expensive on your cap for one year but at least you get value in in terms of personnel for Debo if you think he's declining because you could save more salary recap trading him next year but what's he worth next year like would you get a third round pick for him next year could you get a second round that that's the equation it's a balance what if make sense and well this is what I'm thinking you could trade Debo post June 1st if you get players back for him instead of draft picks because I agree if you get draft picks in 2025 that that doesn't help yeah it it really doesn't help but for somebody things are not going to go their way in the draft somebody's going to want a receiver in the draft and somebody's not going to be able to get a receiver in the draft because there's not enough good receivers and I think there's more teams that need and want good receivers if you're the ners if things don't go your way in in free agency in the draft if there is some need that that remains unaddressed like last year when they didn't end up drafting a single offensive lineman when they desperately needed one if there is some need that is unaddressed you have Debo post June 1 that you can trade and possibly address that need and if you trade him post June one the cap hit is only 6.6 million so maybe the 49ers look at it that way that he's our get out of jail free card because whatever we don't fix we can fix by trading Debo I like that I just feel like the offense doesn't really need him anymore I mean you could argue Debo makes any offense better but when he's the highest paid skill player on the offense you kind of have to feature him as the number one guy and he's not the number one guy on this team anymore so I think sort of makes the offense less efficient also there's this he's very specific in how he's used so he's making the most money he's featured in the game plan and if and when he gets hurt which is frequently and leaves a game all of a sudden there's no replacement for him right Kyle's talked about this he leaves a game mid game all of a sudden it's like well there goes my game plan right because I was really gonna use Debo this week and now he's gone and like I didn't rep anything like so we're screwed like you don't need the gadget guy who's I don't even think he's really catching people by surprise anymore all the gadget plays aren't really working the best ebo Samuel plays are you know the one screen game that pops or the time he gets to run against Zone coverage and no one's covering him and then he runs after the catch great player great player after the catch still great but that was a that was Grant con's I don't know face for anyone that's not watching on the stream sorry before we get back to that Cory soda says perhaps that was Lynch and Shanahan's attitude towards Buckner and that would be funny because they've spent the last seven years trying to fill his absence 187 in the chat says you can't replace dbo like you have Christian mcaffrey Brandon IU Jaan Jennings George KD Kyle you like you you have really good players at every position you don't need a $28 million Gadget player commanding 10 targets a game Who Can't Be manto man coverage you don't you don't need to replace like the wide back you don't need to replace Debo with someone who plays the exact same way what you need to replace is 1100 yards from scrimmage and 12 touchdowns which is what you knew that by giving more targets to Brandon auk and Jan Jennings it's like it's all the talents there you could draft someone else but what you need is an offensive line what you need is a second tight end like you could you don't need a wide back if you have one great but not for $28 million right you need an offensive lineman you need $28 million offensive tackle do that don't worry about seat warmers when you're missing one of the doors on the car like that's thank you a wide back is seat warmers and that's the other part of trading Debo Brandon auk you want to be you know the number one target guess what Debo's gone your number one target now George KD wants more targets he's talked about that guess what George you're gonna get more targets now because Debo Samuel is gone so like there are cascading effects to this also if Kyle Shanahan's a genius he doesn't need Debo Samuel he has Christian mcaffrey George K Kyle yusk Joan Jennings Brandon auk that is an elite group of five offensive skill players Elite what do you need Debo for you're the you're the best Kyle you got enough and you got draft picks man come on Andre GB says yes beef up the offensive line and get a damn tight end who will back up KD that actually plays an NFL game yeah I don't Russ dwell no I don't I don't need another year you Ross the sorry Ross the other thing about the other thing about Debo is um he really doesn't help you very much if he doesn't have the ball he doesn't really Sprint through his Jet Sweep motions or or block very hard or sell his routes when he's on the backside of a play I mean no man you'd do much better off with a tight end who actually blocks helps a run game would you do right now a post June one trade Debo Samuel for Joey Bosa see Joey Bosa seems like another guy who's rapidly declining I'd rather trade Debo but I mean maybe that's the market right if you're trading a declining player you're getting a dein declining player man that's I I'm not prepared for that I I have to think about it man I just want to say no I'm not a big Joy Bosa guy never have been sorry I think I agree with you like he's hurt all the time too but so is Debo so like yeah does does part-time Joey Bosa help the defense more than part-time Deo Samuel helps the offense I think you could argue that Bosa does the Post June one trade uh cap hit for Joey Bosa is 14 .6 million which is a lot but I mean Russell Wilson just got moved 86 million in dead cap which by the way is more than the last two records for dead cap hits combined which just tells you how bad Denver wanted to get rid of real quick though Joey Bosa has played he's started nine games the last two years and has nine sacks so I mean he's still productive he just he's starting to kind of go the way of Eric Armstead a guy who's kind of not on the field anymore 28 years old no can I I'll pass you would pass on that I I would rather trade Deo for someone like I'm more confident like I don't want to just trade Debo for the defense equivalent of Debo does that make sense I don't want that I want someone a little bit more reliable if if possible yeah options the thing Joey the thing about Debo is like he could take over games if the Niners had one or two games where Joey Bosa took over like that might be enough to push them over the hum how about Brian Burns instead well they I think they franchised him okay well you know TR send a pick a package of play I'm just saying Brian Burns is great he's everything they wanted D4 to be well yeah and they tried I think they tried to they've looked into getting Brian Burns and it's just right there you go defensive Dave barklay YouTube channel member says we are better without Debo just plan for it I mean you could argue they would have been much better in the Super Bowl not targeting him 11 times I think that's obvious I mean what do you have 11 targets like three catches like yeah no I agree that shouldn't happened I I don't understand why it did it was almost like an overcorrection from the last Super Bowl when he was kind of phased out down the stretch man that was four years ago Kyle you what look it doesn't have to be Joey Bosa it could be maybe it's an offensive lineman you know maybe it's a line I like where your head's at Rob I didn't mean to dismiss it it's just I'm not a big Joy Bosa fan but at at the same time it seems like a fair trade actually it's pretty fair because here's the deal the the the needs that I have I look offensive line corner safety linebacker because of green law being out and they also need a returner now I'm not saying try D for returner but returner is on the list of what they need Ray Ray is a free agent plus I want Ray Ray McLoud thrown into the Sun for his comments about trying to pick up that punt in the Super Bowl that was the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life instant pie in the face instant Boston cream pie in the face sorry what get away from my team Ray Ray McLoud ever since he came to the team I've just been terrified that he was going to do something fumble a kick or a punt and he did it in the worst possible freaking spot we were worried about Jake Moody but it was Ray Ray was both so those are the needs they also need a d end and a d tackle unless they're gonna bring back kinlaw because the way I look at their D tackle situation is they need a starter for the half the season that arms set isn't out there starter should have had defensive line of that terrible job they have more they have more needs than you think why every team does if they could have address one need before the draft there's 50 days till the draft right now if they could address either defensive line or offensive line in some way in free agency I feel like that gives them so many more options in the first round to where you're not like boxed in and because I feel like that's one of the two spots you got to address in the first round I feel you but at the same time like in the first round I think most people want the Niners to take an offensive tackle and I don't think they're going to spend on an offensive tackle when they're already spending on an offensive tackle and they have colon mckivitz like I think if they're GNA spend if they're gonna like Splurge in free agency to the extent that they can with their cap space it'll be for a defensive end seems like there's a there's a big market for that position there's a lot of guys who have produced and are better than Chase young so that's an obvious one if if to sign a defensive tackle they already have two expensive defensive tackles seem like you draft one there yeah um you already have a lot of expensive linebackers you probably draft one there but if they could get a starting d endend javian Clowny whoever you want that would be great and I expect they will it's been their number one priority since mid way through last season get that book in you know we're sitting here saying they got to adjust the offensive line do you think they think that though we don't know for sure that they think that they might they be like look we led the league in rushing our offense scored what was it you know close to 30 points a game whatever it was we don't need why do we need to address the offensive line how much better can it get um fair question I think they felt that Colton mckivitz was a one-year stop Gap um until they got another first- round pick I don't think they want to spend big money on two offensive tackles that's expensive and when they had a top 10 pick uh and needed an offensive tackle they drafted one they took Mike M gliny over some really good players so they've shown that they'll do it now they have the an offensive t a first round pick for the first time in three years they got a need they're not invested it seems like a lock in a key I'd be really surprised if they don't take an offensive tackle they might even trade up for one I I would support that if they do I say corner or offensive tackle to me always support draf in a corner in round one you can't absolutely they're hard to find if you get a good one yes yeah the two positions that I want them to address in the first round corner and I would be fine if they trade it up for both of them you have 11 picks there's no way you're gonna 11 rookies are going to make this roster so need to trade up to move multiple picks like you do it and and the ners have done that when they see a guy they want they move up like they are willing to go get him how you same situation right they were picking 31 they had just lost the Super Bowl they uh identified a player they thought could start right away and fit their system they didn't wait they went and got him so that's what the ners should do this year trade up four five spots uh take you know just get the guy get your guy and this is you know the ners are very fortunate in the fact that they need offensive lineman and this is one of the best offensive line drafts in years supposedly I mean we don't actually know but you know you would think like some year this year for linebacker they say it's really not a good like the Niners are lucky that their need matches up with the strength of the draft so if you're not going to do it this year damn like when are you gonna do it exactly and what's cool too is there's supposed to be four or five quarterbacks that go in round one and a lot of wide receivers too so it's not like every team is looking for an offensive tackle some of these guys may drop and frankly it's possible that if the Niners just stay at 31 they'll be able to draft the an offensive tackle who's legitimately better than Mike mcglinchy ever was so that's pretty cool not only that but you should be able to get somebody that's at least as good as Colton mck it's not better it's not better you can't convince me that one of these guys is not better than Colton mckivitz like I I would have a really hard time believing that I don't like to dump on col mcki I kind of did like dumping on mcglinchy and I maybe it's because I'm immature but sometimes I feel like the first round picks kind of deserve it like it comes with the territory sorry Colton kits man he was fifth round pick who's making like $2 million and he exceeded uh his pay scale so good for him he gave up 13 sacks last year so you need to help him in pass protection and then as a run blocker the ners Run left and when they do run right it's usually a run that started to the left and then the running back cut back so it'd be nice if the right side of the line was good at something like dominant at something and it no offense to to Colton he's not underperforming but you kind of have to invest to have that kind of an offensive line if col mck was a backup offense L I would feel fantastic money he could play guard he could play tackle he could play Both Sides he's a good player he's an asset to the team and they put him in a tough situation and he came through this year all respect to Colton he gives me crap in the locker room but he's cool about it like he clearly I think all the offensive lineman know like John Feliciano wasn't he would yell at me in the locker room and col mcki would kind of like Get Like make Jokes which is fair which is fair I could take it I say some stuff but I just want to clarify I like col okay but she's a good guy I think that's so hilarious because if you were to ask those guys like hey Grant code said this they'd be like I don't read that I don't I don't you know it's like they all read everything yeah for the record they all read everything of course the noise they try to tune it out yeah good luck right but then but then you're making comments to me so pretty sure you're not tuning anything out uh slick Niner thanks for the Super Chat says our first which is 31 overall and Debo to the Jets for 10 I don't know that the Jets would do it I don't know the Jets want him I don't know see that's what I'm saying about Debo like you could talk about hey let's wait till next year to trade Debo man you already might have waited a year too long to trade Debo like the time to trade Debo frankly may have been before they extended him you gotta this you can't be emotional with these things people didn't like thinking that way back then because he was you know got a great name yeah you got his jersey and he's gu's part of the crew but sorry you probably would if you could do it over again I bet the ners would trade him well actually I don't know about that he's best friends with Kyle that changes things I would trade him I would trade him I mean he was he was freaking insane he was so good that year like we've never I've never seen a player do what he did that year in my life before and in retrospect it was pretty clear that that was not rep repeatable repeat it was not it was an alltime great season though he gets he gets credit and they yeah they caught the league off guard nobody the n didn't even really want to use Debo as a running back that year they did it because they had so many injuries they needed somebody that could make a big play also was that not Mike McDaniels final year on the team I think it was I'm not saying McDaniel's more creative than Kyle but he might be Kyle clearly is really good at taking other people's ideas and his own and melding them into a game plan and putting together a sequence of plays everyone gives him credit for that but in terms of just drawing up plays um McDaniel's very creative and maybe he he's the one who could sort of optimize a uh player like Debo I know dbo wanted to go to the the dolphins that year I will always go back to what Joe Staley said to me which was Kyle Shanahan puts the puzzle together but Mike McDaniel's the guy that paints the picture that's exactly what I was thinking yes I mean you saw it this year right like uh Miami comes out week one with that cheat motion where they s the guy out to the side real quick and then he go like all of a sudden week two the ners are doing it and the whole League's doing like that was that was McDaniel so Kyle recognized a good idea quickly but McDaniel had the idea and then Kyle called it cheating which is such a funny thing to say I love that and to be fair you know the ners had the second most yards in the League this year and the third most points per game in the League this year so it's not like the 49ers offense is lacking um creativity or none of that I'm just saying like if K A lot of people say Kyle's the most creative play designer in the league Miami's pretty good Miami's pretty good re is still pretty good he's pretty good too don't sleep on Andy Reid it's not all that call he had on Third and one in overtime the the bootleg that I mean I mean that what a call with the season on the line it was great it's yeah I love Andy Reid uh brother Bob thank you for being a YouTube channel member for 10 months we appreciate the support as always 50 days until the draft Grant I I'm reading mock drafts and love it but damn that feels like a long time I'm starting to like get into it because the combine just started I'm starting to learn the players and I'm thinking I got time 50 days yes yeah I'm not going to pretend to be an expert this year but I will have people on my channel who have been following this since college football season was going on brother Bob says wait I thought only Larry Krueger had the nuts to get in Niner's faces your thoughts sometimes I got to do it too they I do is I usually what I do I go to the I go into this um the locker room and they come up to me like I it's not my job to go up to dude be like hey John Feliciano I said some stuff about you on my show yesterday did you see it right yeah yeah like I'm there and if you want to say something it happens all the time so that's what I think about it they know who I am they know they know what I said I'm right there K found me do you yes he did do you think that when people come to the 49ers they are warned about Grant con see that was funny I again this is a good story Randy Gregory cool guy in his 30s first press conference he gives in the locker room afterward I like to do this as a professional courtesy to new players afterward hi my name is Grant con I write for si.com I'll be covering you and just so you know who I am you're see around he stand yeah he stands up smirks and goes I know who you are why so I go over to the pr director I was like did you did you tell did you tell Randy Gregory about me he was like man he does his homework so I I don't know I have a feeling a lot of players in the league saw the video with me and Javon just a guess I think a lot of people saw that but that was like a one- day thing and it got squashed I was standing on the sideline at training camp with Frank Gore this off season and he T I mean I covered Frank Gore and he kind of remembered me but he was like hey aren't you the dude that got into it on YouTube with Javon I was like yeah and he just started laughing so I have a feeling people like saw that you know con sorry you come to the 49ers you get the talk and it's about great watch out for this guy man he's trouble he's from the wrong side of the tracks all right let's get to this uh before we wrap up good idea bad idea I'll throw out some random stuff you tell me if it's a good idea or a bad idea good idea bad idea rigning Brandon Allen to be your backup quarterback bad idea nothing against Brandon Allen I think it's time to go look the last time ners drafted a quarterback they drafted Brock pie do it again you have a template that you're looking for the rest of league is trying to figure out draft a guy in round seven he he can be 5'11 and have no arm strength but as long as he's a little mobile decisive and accurate he's gonna work in this offense so draft a quarterback please but do you want that quarterback to be qb2 or do you want them to be go like a veteran guy for backup I don't know I mean I don't think the ners do so well with these Reclamation projects Brandon Allen seems like a Brian Hoyer type Sam darnold didn't seem like he really improved on the ners he seemed like he was Sam darn on a better team which is fine but I think they could get someone who hasn't been a career backup or gotten beaten to hell as a starter like the next Jake Browning the next Brock py why not try but you could you could head your best and sign someone like Sam Donald as well what they shouldn't do is trade for freaking Um Zack Wilson God players don't seem to like him teammates don't seem to like him I don't mess with him no way I want them to sign a veteran as a backup quarterback and then draft somebody stop it what he's he's he's he's like a brock py 2.0 here's what I'll say about Russ though I feel like most of the time he doesn't turn the ball over and that's what I want more than anything else out of my backup quarterback I don't care if you're not the best guy you have to protect the football that's why I hated the darnold pick because all he did was turn the ball over there are guys out there there are free agents I would love Gardner mchu I said it last year when Gardner mchu was a free agent he could be a decent backup jacobe Bret I wouldn't hate at all um Tyrod Taylor doesn't wow me but he does protect the football um so there are definitely veteran options out there for the 49ers if they want to go that way but I think they should veteran guy draft the guy QB three that would be my quarterback plan yeah I'm with I'm with that but if the guy you draft looks good in training camp don't hesitate like what one thing I love about the Niners they talked about when they knew Brock py was their best quarterback and they try to act like they knew it really early on and you should have played him then right talking about if you really think he's the best quarterback on your team make him at least qb2 but you didn't do that you can't have it both ways you can't say we knew early that he was the best guy but that not get dinged for keeping him on the bench like it took two injuries for him to see the field so you can't have it both ways I thought that was really weird like I feel like Jed just came out after the NFC Championship Game and just was firing stuff off because he was like everybody loves us right now life is good I'm just gonna say a bunch of stuff it's gonna make us feel good about ourselves and it's all G to be fine I think that was a big mistake in ret I mean it's not the reason they lost the Super Bowl but it's kind of indicative of why they haven't won and their culture like dudee came out I was talking about this to my dad yesterday he he he comes out and it makes it all about him he talks about what how he was feeling in the in the Luxury Box dur in the NC championship game and he he shared a scene with him and his son that was really poignant he started crying to show his emotion he he he broke news I mean he had he was on fire he and it was all about him when really what you're trying to do at that moment is show we are so locked in on the Chiefs and that's what John did the next day he came out and talked in the same spot and was like Jed was on fire huh we are so focused on the Chiefs like yes cuz he know he won a Super Bowl he knows you haven't accomplished anything because you beat you won the NFC Championship so Jed one day he'll figure it out or won't I think he is who he is man yeah I think he he is who he is I think he learned a little from the Harbaugh situation like when things are bad like just shut up don't say anything but when things are good he wants in he wants in he wants to be in with the cool kids man I just got this feeling from Jed that he always wants to be part of the cool kids crowd yeah and he wants credit before he finishes the job I think he's realized he's not Eddie deardo he tried to be Eddie in his in his early 30s you know pushing his weight around picking creating enemies with his coach saying he had high standards saying saying he didn't hang NFC Championship banners sure now you win an NFC Championship game you're talking to the Press about how happy you are you're you're tearing up in front of us like you you're just happy to be here man you're just glad that the Stadium's filled and people think Kyle Shanahan is good and that the organization is on the right track that's all you care about and you know what that's fine but like I don't blame him for being happy after the NFC championship game I was happy after the NFC championship game but you don't have to go and and like and then don't forget he did that press conference and then he went on K Adams show the week of the Super Bowl I didn't even know that yeah he know that apparently the 49ers didn't know that um but he appeared and uh so he was Adams also put out a tweet saying like how far and she had the clip of my dad asking him like are you gonna fire yourself from 2017 and he said no and he gave his mission statement of what they're going to try to do and Cam's like man I mean he really delivered and hasn't he come a long way sorry you jumped the gun again it's still Jed no he hasn't come a long way and I'm not saying he should fire himself but he's the same guy like you said yeah he's come a little way he's learned a little bit but he's still ultimately deep down yeah he waited until after the NFC Championship Game to put his foot in his mouth this time that was good that was a step okay good idea bad idea draft Frank or Jr sure he's a hell of a player it's got I mean the ners have had real success drafting players who have Bloodlines it's not just nepotism these are players who grew up around the sport had a a father that was a professional athlete at top level when they know what it takes and they know when it takes so from a very young age so I'm I'm not even against trading Christian mcaffry at this point if the Niners want to trade Christian and draft the running back and actually use a rotation I think they could have an excellent cheap running game which is kind of what you want there's no real reason to spend $20 million on your backfield plus whatever Debo is I don't know if you call him part of your back field or not but he kind of is I don't like when when your back backup is a guy that gets injured a lot that was one of the reasons I was so against Jimmy Garoppolo coming back and unfortunately Elijah Mitchell falls into the same boat now he didn't get a lot of carries last year and you know that worked out for the Niners but I I don't look at because I think mcaffry is getting hurt next year I hate to be that guy but he's had a ton of mileage a ton of carries he's getting older I'm not saying he's gonna miss the whole year but I think he it it's realistic to expect Christian mcaffrey to miss some time Elijah Mitchell can get hurt in practice on any day man so that means all of a sudden there is a very real scenario where JP Mason is your running back one next year so I think you are gonna need somebody another guy good though I still feel he's one of the more underrated players in the team I know there's some misgivings about what whether his blocking or his route running or his knowledge of the offense he averages six yards a carry so there's a place for him on the field sometimes they're absolutely is and don't tell me well he's on the field they know he's going to run uhuh and he's still averages six yards a carry so so he needs to play and of course Elijah Mitchell shouldn't be a starter and draft Frank cor Jr like that's a nice three-headed monster there you don't have to spend all that money on tailbacks who are 28 and probably gonna get hurt soon but they're not goingon to trade Christian mcaffry and they're probably not gonna draft Frank G Jr do you think they're gonna draft any of the Legacy players Brennan rice Luke mcaffrey they need wide receivers yeah I think mcaffrey might have might have boosted himself out of their range basically maybe maybe they draft Caffrey trade for Joey Bosa just make sure everyone who's highly paid on the team you know how Giannis has his brother on the team the ners will be like that right we'll just take everybody's brother cin be on the practice squad we'll do it like could we get Marvin Harrison Jr then too oh if we're gonna go that route make Mar Harris in the wide receiver coach and then maybe good idea bad idea bring back aiz Al Shire great idea I mean he just freaking had the season of his career the problem is he's he just had the season of his his career he he may be really expensive and if the if the pitch to him is hey man come start while Dre green Law's out he may be like nah I want to start somewhere for three or four years and be top five in the league in tackles like I was this year so I don't know I mean the ners drafted two linebackers last year they may have to see what those guys got well that's the other part of it too and Jason Aponte made this point yesterday like this whole like drafted guy red Shir him like that's got to stop like you got to be able to get something out of these they don't have to be finished products right when you draft them but you can't just be drafting people and red shirting everybody you need them to contribute so it's time for those linebackers to step up it's time for those fraking tight ends they took last year to get on the field and actually produce you you you need production especially now as the roster gets more and more topheavy slow down with Cam latu all right I don't know about that that might have just been the wrong pick but I'm with you on that it's like okay so let's say you red shirted these two linebackers fair enough they were late round picks and you had guys well now it's year two and you need a linebacker don't just give up on the whole process and be like well they didn't play last year so we can't trust them nah you had a process you registered them you were developing him some way now you need them you're just going to bring back aiz Al Sher who you let go so you could draft these guys like pick something be consistent yeah it seems like they're gonna probably go with the young guys and I do feel like sometimes Kyle is he hates rookie mistakes so he's very quick to lose faith in a guy and then he ends up like replacing them with some older veteran like a Deshawn Gibson or Logan Ryan and it's like look at the the guys even though Brandon IU got to the dogghouse he played his rookie year now it was mostly because of injury but he played guys can't develop unless they play and part of that development is screwing stuff up no matter what your job is I've ran the control board at ESPN radio for years you know how many things I screwed up and shows I screwed up because I made but by the end of my time there I ran a training course and trained every other board op in the whole department like because that's how you learn stuff by breaking stuff by screwing stuff up you have to go through I thought you said by the end of your time there you ran a train and you said I was wow it was a training wow I didn't expect that okay sorry neither here nor there but like sometimes I feel like Kyle would rather see a veteran make a mistake than a rookie make a mistake and that to me that doesn't make he started Kevin Coleman in the Super Bowl man it's hard to say what Kyle's looking for sometimes saying I would love to ask that question like do rookie mistakes bother you than veteran mistakes bother you more than veteran mistakes man you got brother Bob losing his mind in the comment section here because you haven't read his last two super chats yeah one before that brother Bob I don't want you to just sit here and talk about other people like if you want to talk about Larry Krueger go on Larry's stream and talk to Larry about himself like I don't want to sit here and talk about Larry Krueger I would be pissed if he started talking crap about me on his stream so I don't want to do that true we appreciate has a lot of maturity wisdom I appreciate the Super Chat always of course but like I don't want to bash people and you know like go complain to Larry if you got a problem with Larry if you want to dunk on Larry go do it on his show sorry that's just I'm just here oh I'm not reading I'm just here so I don't get fine sorry man I just like if you want to talk about content creators and talk about them or have them on your show and address it with them face to face I'm all for that if anybody has an issue with me or wants to dunk on me or whatever have me on the show and we'll talk about it we're grown men and over here classic instigator over here uh hung meow says Kyle Shanahan is like the late Marty Schottenheimer certainly looks like that right now unfortunately and I love thank you very much Mr meow I appreciate the comment all cap is always nice good touch I'm not caps guy hey I am I think it's great for emphasis and I like putting Z's at the end of s's uh instead of s's sometimes just to let people know I'm you know kind of rough around the edges so I didn't know this apparently when you put all caps like that's supposed to be yelling I had no idea so there was one time when I was at ESPN and I was sending a note to one of my bosses and in the note I put all caps for part of it just for emphasis but I thought was emphasis and apparently I did not know I found out that like that email infuriated this boss and they were like you better watch it you don't ever talk to you know one of your managers like that I was like I didn't even know that was yelling like I had no idea that was a thing see when I see all caps I just read it in like a Brooklyn accent because to me people from New York just speak in all caps does that make sense okay they kind I mean it's the way they talk in New York it's just all caps talking so it's not it's not yelling it's more just access it's just all caps it's just a very aggressive of New York accent to me that's how I read it but I know I'm different I'm from California we're pre-laid back couple more good ideas bad ideas before we go resign Chase young good idea bad idea the worst idea enough I'm sorry like he's he had two and a half sacks in nine games with the ners this season in the regular season he doesn't defend the Run not interested uh as a third down pass rusher he's okay you could get someone I mean he's not bad you could get someone better and I think what are you paying for so if you gave him a one-year deal that wasn't very much and had incentives I mean he had all the incentives in the world this last year to play hard contract year Super Bowl team didn't do it so no I don't think he fits this team's culture of playing hard like nah no even if you could get him on a on a reasonable deal just get someone better instead of messing around and trying to get like you know Chase young and Goodwill like no get a really good starting defensive end um Jonathan greenard or someone who maybe cost 12 13 14 million but is someone who can play three Downs a three down DN who can defend the run and Rush the quarterback it's you I mean the Niners keep saying that's the most important thing they need this to make the wide nine work get it it's not Chase he thought it was Chase it's not Chase it's really weird to me that he had motivation issues like you couldn't even bring it every game down the stretch when you're playing for a contract and you're playing for a Super Bowl it's the NFC Championship like like even in the Super Bowl there's audio of George KD like trying to pump up Chase young being like show us your best self right now like that's yeah that's a huge red flag if you need George if you need the starting tight end to go to the starting defensive end and pump him up in the Super Bowl it's possible that DN just doesn't really like playing football that's the thing about football that people don't don't understand a lot of these players don't really like playing it yep it's it's a It's a Grind it's painful all those practices no one gets to watch you only get one day a week where you're cheered some of them just figured out at 13 years old okay if I do this I could be a multi multi-millionaire and if I don't I'm not really sure what I'm gonna do I'm gonna do this but it's a business decision has been for a long time and that's how he plays I don't know him personally but that's how he plays there are some people just because you are gifted doesn't mean you are gifted a love of the sport like to me Jimmy strikes me as a guy who's like I can do this but football is my job and when I'm not at my job I'm not thinking about my job I'm not working at my job and I don't mean that as a knock like every a lot of people treat their jobs that way but I think we sometimes think that if you are really gifted and have the ability to play football that you also love it and those two things are not necessarily true but like true and when John Lynch and Kyle shanan are asked about the kind of players they look for and the culture of the team don't they always talk about well we want guys who really love football yes they always talk about that and it sounds like boilerplate cliche but it means players who are not like Chase young and I think they were desperate last year to improve the the dline and the pass rush so they went out and got Chase young especially because he didn't really cost them that much um but I agree they told themselves hey man I mean who would play hard for Washington there's nothing to play for over there you bring him over here and put him on a Super Bowl team with Nick Bose and Chris ceric watch out oh nope didn't work we have all talked ourselves into a bad decision allor right so you learned okay brother Bob is back he don't make the mistake twice though sorry brother Bob yeah brother Bob says I'm dunking on you now stats Levan and Michelle greater than stats let's not lie Michelle is Levan's not he wishes but he wasn't uh Scott 49 says don't resign Chase young caps for yelling and emphasis hey yo don't sign him sorry that was terrible so now if you put a comment in the chat all caps Grant's gon to read it in his New York accent which let me just tell you is terrible by the way it's not good it's not good it's not even good um one more good idea bad idea that I'm gonna make up off the top of my head good idea bad idea rigning to sha Gibson who's also free agent and was a starting safety and a good one for the 49ers he's a good player I like desun Gibson good guy good player getting a little bit older um but I feel like we've been saying that about him for years he's sort of been on the last year of his career for four years and he always plays well he had that awful play in the Super Bowl that was I mean he couldn't find the ball in the air that was rough yeah he lost it um Gyer Brown made a play tyen NOA funga been an all pro so if he wants to come back on a one-year deal for around the vet minimum to be a third safety hell yeah but I don't think you can just say hey man start for us anymore I think that's over so maybe he wants to go somewhere else and start or maybe he's cool to be a backup here or maybe he just like to retire I don't know what he wants to do but that's the only way I'd bring it back third third safety good player yeah I agree you can't just like settle and say like oh we're good like no look for better than tan Gibson and also try and bring great career though how many interceptions does he have in his career 30 something a lot like more than you think that's the thing um he may have more career interceptions than Earl Thomas who's a Hall of Famer I'm not saying Gibson is but wow what a career so Gibson has 33 career interceptions Earl Thomas has 30 you go there you go I mean Earl Thomas was the goat but it just speaks to to Sea Gibson's consistency and Longevity and quality good player you could win so much money with that bet most people are gonna be like first of all who's deshun Gibson second of all like more than than Earl Thomas that's crazy that's wild man yep brother Bob says iglet please continue to call out K Levy because they call him Marv Levy oh I see that's Do you have a lify picture of me stopping in the O in overtime when the Niners were driving I was actually sitting in the Press Box thinking about all the nice things I was prepared to say about Kyle for the rest of my life and his life but I don't have to do that anymore I could just keep doing what I do but like first of all Marv leev is a great coach the idea that like just because he didn't win a Super Bowl that he's not a great coach he's in the freaking Hall of Fame okay for you think you're ding on Kyle shinan by calling him Kyle Levy like Marv Levy was an awesome coach awesome so like we do this thing where if you don't win a title you suck like we could use your name as an insult that's insane that's insane I'm calling somebody crazy on the show it took I don't like that Marv L's in the Hall of Fame I think Mike Shanahan has a better argument to be in the Hall of Fame I think George CAF has a better argument to be the Hall of Fame I I don't understand getting in without a championship like that's the the one goal in the sport and you came close four times that's cool but it's not an accomplishment Dan Maro shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame I'm talking coaches I'm talking coaches talking coaches I think you can put them both in it doesn't have to be either or fair enough you're more generous than me I'm a a jerk to me the Hall of Fame is about two things were you great and were you great for long enough to me Marvel Le satisfies both of those like I said you're a generous guy I like it let's be generous and he's Jewish so who am I to say that he shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame man good for you Marv Marv marf Marv all right that was my last good idea bad idea hope everybody enjoyed that there's over a thousand people watching right now which is absolutely incredible please like And subscribe to both channels the grant conen YouTube channel and the gold standard YouTube channel if you just trying us out we really appreciate it we're live every single weekday here for you we do a 49ers and 5 news update that drops every single weekday as well brother Bob sneaking into Super Chat before the buzzer here Marv Le and Bud Grant and Hall of Fame for losing four Super Bowls okay here's my question if Kyle loses two more Super Bowls is he in the Hall of Fame I would put him in yeah technically that's the president they freaking had that's why Marv Ley shouldn't be in there Kyle could go lose two more Super Bowls and make the Hall of Fame and that would I would be somewhere 70 years old sitting there being like man he should he shouldn't be in there yeah I don't know I I think a lot of things going to win in Super Bowl not saying they don't matter they absolutely do but just because you don't win one doesn't mean you can't be great at what you do sure yeah just because you don't know all the rules doesn't mean you can't be great at when you sorry I'm sorry that was a low blow Sorry by the way did like did anybody ask Kyle yuse cheek if he knew the rule or did he just like volunteer that after the Super Bowl volunteered it you think that was I mean I don't know that that was an accident I'm never stop making fun of Kyle s I'm roasting him I I feel like you get it's not it's good natured it's roasting and that's what Bros do we roast each other so Kyle I'll stop roasting you when you win a Super Bowl but for now it's just highly amusing the way you don't win I gotta roast you sorry and you got just kind of sit there like you're the guy on Comedy Central being like you got me that was funny you know you got because I did I didn't know the rule it's true it's really true sorry did you think it was weird that Adam sheer went on uh with bar stool and like told the story about Kyle not scouting Patrick Mahomes and people were like acting like that was new and I'm like that's been out for years we've all known that but even with that coming out on a huge platform like barol I felt like Kyle has never gotten ripped for that the way he should yeah and it's like Sher told the story like the ners somehow got the better end of the deal because the story starts okay so the Niners didn't draft Patrick Mahomes per se or even consider drafting him for all these reasons and yeah that's cost them some Super Bowls but in a roundabout way right it it enabled them to get Brock pie and like it was like a 90 Second Story and you could tell the people on barcol were kind of bored by it and humoring shefter they were like uhhuh like sarcastically uhhuh and then was the big payoff is and then they drafted Brock pie someone on the show says who's better than Patrick Mahomes got it yeah great story just draft Mahomes what you how are we trying to spin this a silver lining here yeah it's great that the comp pick that you got from CJ bethard who you took in that draft instead of Patrick Mahomes turned out to be Brock pie but have you just took Patrick M and especially because not only have you not won a Super Bowl but you've lost two to that guy that's like I I'm amazed that he hasn't taken more criticism for that I have a hot take and maybe I'm wrong but I have a feeling that if you got Kyle Shanahan four five six drinks deep and you had him alone and honest about the quarterbacks in the league I don't think he'd say Mahomes is the best quarterback in the league I think he's Petty like that and I think he's not one who admit he's wrong he didn't want Mahomes I think he would say that Mahomes has a great coach and is his offensive Line's allowed to hold I think he would say those two things I think Kyle Shanahan would say that josh Al's the best quarterback in the world and maybe I'm wrong but Kyle is such a contrarian I can see it KY wanted Josh Allen too he said that he might say that but also he was certainly a better option than anybody the 49ers had at the time and he was a better option than Kirk Cousins and Kyle wouldn't know that because he didn't Scout him and Chris Sims his best friend in the world was telling Kyle to scout him and he still didn't you might want to scout this guy at Texas Tech just go Texas Tech for a day if you're best friend in the world was who also played quarterback in the NFL whose dad was a quarterback in the NFL won multiple Super Bowls if that guy your best friend said hey just check this guy out yeah like wouldn't you at least throw on the film for 15 minutes is that Sean Payton and Reed both really really really really like this guy so you wanted to check him out I'm not saying draft him but like eat him see him throw in person one time you might I'm just saying you know may what the weird thing about it is Grant is that they were they didn't Scout Mahomes because they wanted Kur cousins right but they were willing to deviate from the Kirk Cousins plan when the Jimmy Garoppolo thing came up so it's not like oh we're so committed to this that we're just going to refuse to do anything like they showed flexibility in going away from Kirk Cousins why did they do that why did they trade for Jimmy to me they were one they were 0 and eight they were 0 and eight and they were on the verge of having a worse season than Chip Kelly and there's no guarantee that they're going to make it to year two I think that's why they traded for Jimmy Garoppolo they were scar scared scared I think it's part of it I think the fact that they were winless is defin because once you make that move the rest of the season for next year oh we got we got hope for next year do not fire me I you just let me get a quarterback cool right I got the quarterback and it was like as much as I have banged on Jimmy Garoppolo and I have crushed him and I in my opinion rightfully so when they made that move j Jimmy was seen as like one of the possible upand cominging Young backs in the league he had a couple of starts with New England looked good in those starts remember the it was a big deal when they traded for him they got the red carpet it was Jimmy G Jimmy GQ coming to town he was the good-look quarterback going to the Bay Area like it was a huge deal nobody was talking about how the 49ers were winless after they made that trade it put them like it made them relevant for the first time since Harbaugh left yes really because if you think about it like Kyle thought he had job security jip Kelly thought he had job security jip Kelly CH Kelly's like man they're not going to fire three coaches in three years I'm going to come in here and we're going to have a Tank season and then I'm going to get a little more power and then I'm going to build a team the way I want just like Kyle that was a Tank season and it didn't work out so good for Chip Kelly they fired him Kyle was eight and0 and I'm sure in the back of his mind he's like man they could fire me too like I we got it maybe it wasn't Kyle maybe it was John I don't know who blinked but they freaking blinked here was the best part about that for Kyle though even if he was fired he had a sixe deal so he would have been getting paid a lot of money to not coach um is is Cliff Kingsbury still getting paid a lot of money to not coach that is the right he's back Cliff's back oh I think is he in Washington oh he's the worst coach in the league yeah he's the offensive coordinator for the commanders yeah Adam Peterson and Cliff that's who Adam pet imagine getting your big break just to strike out on Ben Johnson and get Cliff Kingsbury as a second choice you should have just stayed with the Niners man it's not going to work sorry that was it anyway we will see anyway enjoy the rest of your Wednesday everybody again like And subscribe to both channels Grant always good to talk to you and uh I'll catch you next week catch you next week always a pleasure see you