Rich Lowry: 'We are in uncharted territory'

WILLIAM, WAIT TILL LATE OUT FOR US. SANDRA? >> Sandra: FOR MORE LET'S BRING IN RICH LOWRY, A "NATURALL REVIEW" EDITOR IN CHIEF. GRABBING HEADLINES TODAY, YOU CAME OUT WITH ADVICE DIRECTED TOWARD DONALD TRUMP AND HIS CAMPAIGN AND HOW THEY COULD BE HANDLING THESE FLIP-FLOPS. >> FIRST OF ALL WE ARE IN UNCHARTED TERRITORY, USUALLY IN A PRESIDENT SHALL CAMPAIGN YOU CHANGE ON ONE THING, IT'S LITIGATED FOR WEEKS, THE PRESS WANTS TO KNOW WHY YOU CHANGED COME TALK ABOUT IT IN INTERVIEWS AND TRY TO JUSTIFY AND EXPAND YOUR THINKING, NONE OF THAT. WE THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS OVER, THE FIRST BOUT OF CHANGES OVER STUFF SHE SAID IN '19 AND '20, BUT IT IS STILL COMING IN TRUMP NEEDS TO MAKE THE CASE ON POLICY AND IT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO CHARACTER. THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN DID IT TO MITT ROMNEY IN 2012. HE HAS THIS HEARTLESS CAPITALIST WHO DOESN'T CARE ABOUT PEOPLE. THEY NEED TO MAKE FUNDAMENTALLY SOME VERSION OF THE CASE, THAT SHE IS WEAK AND A PHONY. THIS KIND OF THING PLAYS INTO IT. WHEN WAS SHE FOOLING US? FOOLING US THEN ARE FOOLING US NOW? WHY WON'T SHE EXPLAIN IT? >> John: AS JOHN AND I HAVE BEEN REPORTING OVER THE LAST HOUR AS WE CONTINUE TO SORT OF DIGEST THESE FLIP-FLOPS, THERE IS NO EXPLANATION WHY SHE IS CHANGING HER TUNE ON THESE MAJOR ISSUES FOR AMERICAN VOTERS. YOUR GUEST ESSAY IN THE NEAR TIMES, TRUMP CAN WENT ON CHARACTER, YOU'RE RIGHT, HAS TO BE CONNECTED TO THE DEEPER CASE THAT MS. HARRIS IS WEAK AND A PHONY AND DOESN'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THE COUNTRY OR THE MIDDLE CLASS. SHE HAS JETTISONED MYRIAD POSITIONS SINCE 2019 BECAUSE SHE IS A SHAPE SHIFTING OPPORTUNIST WHO CAN AND WILL CHANGE ON ALMOST ANYTHING WHEN POLITICALLY CONVENIENT. DO YOU BELIEVE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE DEBATE OR THEIR RALLIES OR OTHERWISE, DO YOU BELIEVE THE FORMER PRESIDENT WILL BE ABLE TO TARGET THESE FLIP-FLOPS? >> YES. >> Sandra: AT KAMALA HARRIS. >> HAS TO BE ALL FRONTS, ADVERTISING, TRUMP STATEMENTS AT RALLIES AND TRUTH SOCIAL, AND AT THE DEBATE. THE DEBATE IS GOING TO BE HUGE. THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE DIRECTLY TO EXPOSE HER ON THIS STUFF. ONCE YOU CONVINCE SOMEONE, CONVINCE THE PUBLIC COME A CANDIDATE IS WEAK, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THEY STAND FOR ANYMORE, RIGHT? THAT IS DISQUALIFYING. IF YOU COMMIT HE OR SHE IS A PHONY, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER THEIR POSITIONS ARE POPULAR OR NOT, CANNOT BELIEVE ANYTHING HE OR SHE IS SAYING. THE EV MANDATE IS A GREAT EXAMPLE, THIS WASN'T SOMETHING SHE INSTANTLY SAID SPONTANEOUSLY, WASN'T SOME THING SHE SAID IN A COLLEGE ESSAY 30 YEARS AGO, THIS IS A MAJOR COMMITMENT THAT GOES TO THE CORE OF THEIR POSITION ON CLIMATE AND SHE IS CHANGING WITHOUT EXPO NATION. >> Sandra: THE ECONOMIC POLICY SHE APPARENTLY LAID OUT IN THAT SPEECH A WEEK AND A HALF AGO WHEN IT WAS ABOUT PRICE GOUGING IN THE AMERICAN PUBLIC SAW IT AS PRICE CONTROLS, AND THEY HAVE SINCE SORT OF WALKED THAT BACK, FLIP-FLOPPED ON THAT ISSUE, IF YOU WILL, AND YOU HAVE TO ASK, WHO PUT THAT IN FRONT OF HER, AND WHY DID SHE BUY INTO IT? WHY DID SHE BELIEVE WHEN THAT WAS PUT IN FRONT OF HER THAT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA? >> WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES TALKING OFF THE COUGH, HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT. SOMEONE WROTE THIS IN A SPEECH, LOADED IT IN A TELEPROMPTER AND SHE READ IT. ANOTHER WEEK THEY ARE SAYING NEVER MIND, THIS WAS JUST SYMBOLIC OR A MINOR THING THAT STATES DO TO STOP PEOPLE FROM SELLING WATER AT ELEVATED PRICES DURING HURRICANES. NO, SHE SAID THIS, A CRUCIAL ELEMENT. SHE SAID BELIEVE ME WHEN SHE SAID IT. >> Sandra: THERE IS SOMETHING INTERESTING YOU ARE SAYING HERE AND THAT IS THE QUESTION OVER WHETHER OR NOT THESE ARE MISTAKES OR EVOLVING POSITIONS, MANY DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO COME TO HER DEFENSE AND SAY SHE HAS LEARNED OVER TIME THIS IS WHERE SHE STANDS ON THIS ISSUE. YOU ARE BRINGING UP THE BROADER CASE, YOU ARE QUESTIONING WHETHER OR NOT SHE ACTUALLY CARES ABOUT HOW THESE POLICIES WILL AFFECT THE MIDDLE CLASS. >> THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO GO TO, WHY DIDN'T SHE TAKE CARE OF THE BORDER? SHE DIDN'T CARE THAT MUCH, DID SHE? WHY THE AFGHAN WITHDRAWAL? DIDN'T CARE THAT MUCH. GOING BACK TO THESE PRESIDENTIAL ATTRIBUTES AND CHARACTER WHICH ARE ALWAYS LITIGATED IN THESE RACES. >> Sandra: LET ME GET THIS IN QUICKLY BECAUSE THIS IS HOW THEY ARE COMING TO HER DEFENSE ON THIS, MICHAEL TYLER FROM THE HARRIS COMING ACACIA AND STEAM ON IF HARRIS HAS ACTUALLY CHANGED HER POSITION ON FRACKING PEER. >> DO YOU KNOW WHY SHE HAS CHANGED HER POSITION? >> SHE HAS BEEN CLEAR, PROUD OF THE WORK SHE IS DONE OF THIS ADMINISTRATION, AMERICAN ENERGY PRODUCTION AT AN ALL-TIME HIGH. >> BUT ON FRACKING WAS THERE SOME THING THAT CHANGED HER MIND SPECIFICALLY DURING THE FOUR YEARS OF THE BIDEN PRESIDENCY? >> LISTEN AGAIN, THE VICE PRESIDENT IS VERY PROUD OF THE BIDEN-HARRIS ADMINISTRATION'S RECORD ON ENERGY PRODUCTION AND THE ECONOMY WRIT LARGE. SHE WANTS TO CONTINUE TO BUILD ON THE PROGRESS WE HAVE MADE HERE. >> Sandra: I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THERE. >> THERE IS NO ANSWER OR EXPO NATION. WE ALL CHANGE ON THINGS OVER TIME, I CHANGE EMPATHY OF THINGS. TEN THINGS OR A DOZEN THINGS IN THE SPACE OF THREE WEEKS. NO ONE DOES THAT UNLESS YOU CLEARLY ARE TURNING TO FOOL THE PUBLIC AND CONVINCE THEM YOU ARE