"Here's What I Think About Gordon Ryan" - Craig Jones

would you let Gordon fight if he said that he wanted to come over I'd let anyone do it yeah you know obviously I got the Custom Gold cig Jones Invitational ring he'd have to kiss but for sure I'd let him in you know what if he said that he had to fight you would you do it for a super fight I mean you've already got Gabby on the table I think I got a bigger match you know we're doing something crossing the mainstream Battle of sexist you know this is gender equality talk to me about sort of Gordon's role as the figurehead for the sport because he is super dominant you know sort of the Lewis Hamilton a couple of years ago in F1 where kind of wasn't didn't really seem like that much of a a competition um does this help to make it more interesting well what I think is most funny about this so Gorden unquestionably best grapper in the world had many health issues disappeared he comes and goes He battles health issues comes back competes beats everyone for sure beats everyone but he's a controversial figure uh just I mean he says crazy [ __ ] online like he's got strong conservative uh political beliefs but I mean if you would to look at his Instagram it's a Facebook dad Republican page you know what I mean that's the sort of stuff he's sharing nonstop and he's I would say money obsessed and uh I would say he's kind of um I would say insecure you know I think anyone that takes offense to jokes that are like light-hearted I find them a little insecure or like uh he bites he bites all the time and like you would understand this Americans take the baits we roast each other like I've said worse things to my friends and relatives than I've said about Gordon Ryan but these guys take the bait and that's the game for us you know we love throwing something out someone overreacts that's what I live for that's that's fun to me so it's like Gordon in terms of this tournament this tournament is the ultimate bait because we're talking about free Market competition it's good according to his political belief we're talking about money loves money there's 100 times more money in this but he has to choose to stay with the old tournament or go to the tournament of someone he hates does he hate you I think so yeah I think so do you hate him I don't hate him I love the I love that he exists you know I love that he exists It's Entertainment you know I mean we used to train together we used to I wouldn't say say we were friends like we would train together we wouldn't hang out after training or anything so I think it's like we're training Partners weren't close friends what how much of Jiu-Jitsu culture do you think is Downstream from Gordon and John and kind of that culture that they've created yeah for sure massive influence probably for the last seven seven eight years massive influence on the sport um and it's they really broke new barriers by making noi more popular and more respected everyone used to do the G and the ghee guys used to win most of the noi tournaments and then danah her's crew came along as kind of noi only guys and started to win and they started to use new techniques so created a really cool story John is like some serial killer that got away with it he has a interesting like he wears rash cards all the time he has a weird personality you know but it's like captivating Professor originally or something wasn't he yes yeah so he he's got I mean obviously with all the university and college he can teach well he knows how to teach people you know and he he's coached GSB so he's a good coach so like you throw in all these factors and you create this Empire that they have today and like he even uses Japanese terminology you know it's like whether it's intentional or not it's really good marketing really good marketing so lends sort of credibility and Mystique a little bit to what's going on yeah he takes what people already doing he teaches in a really high level way changes the name a little bit really good really good marketing and obviously his students back up that with results yeah if you didn't have a guy that was super dominant it would just be a bloke using weird terms that weren't effective exactly and that's the funny thing is like he's like a car he's like your cheesy martial arts character that you're like his personality should be that of a guy that's not a good coach cuz most of the time guys like that with that eccentric personality he's got injuries so he never competed he can't train like guys like that in martial arts typically raise a lot of red flags but his students produce good results so it becomes this conundrum of like like the legitimate Steven Seagal exactly yeah he's it's like a he has a Steven too mythology about him but the results back it up what do you think Gordon will do because if you rip the ass out of everyone that's competitive at ADCC the legitimacy of the ADCC competition then goes away what's left to do he'll still do ADCC is that your if you were to put money on the T some of your big wads of cash yeah that's not in my house anymore for the record um yeah he will still do ADCC it's uh it's funny a lot of people like uh have loyalty to what they have accomplishments in you know like when noi started booming a lot of the ghee guys were worried that their accomplishments were suddenly going to be forgotten now because if you create a new event with a new name you're prestigious title potentially 20 years people be like what the [ __ ] that you know like so there's always going to be push back when something new comes in and steals well not steals but just gives athletes the choice so it's like there's always going to be push back I mean even Gordon's mom was in my inbox talking about how prestigious ADCC is I know Gary tonin's mom was commenting on some post and I was just like I personally think your tournament's in trouble if your mom's defending it you know what I mean I'd kill my mom if she was the defending my 20m line I'd be like hey [ __ ] turnone it down that's I'm 32 years old I can look after myself yeah [ __ ] hell um yeah it's I think it's it's created a really fascinating story between the decision of this lineage and it it asks you genuinely does might have to ask John for the answer but it asks a interesting sort of philosophical question around what does prestige and L age actually mean like what are people in this spot for when there is something very sort of real and tangible placed in front of them which is seven figures of cash yeah it's like it's life-changing money and like one of Go's arguments was that like he's like million doar that's easy to make you know he's like do some seminar sell some instructionals but the reality is is like I mean if you come from Brazil uh you do have a disadvantage in the markets in which we make the most money because you have a language barrier sometimes these guys have Visa barriers you know like Gordon grew up in New Jersey close to John Dano I'm not denying that he put in the work to get where he is but that's lucky that's lucky for me I grew up in Adelaide I didn't even train with a black belt till purple belt like I wasn't exposed I just wasn't in the vicinity of a mind like John danaher to shape me from a younger age I had to work a lot of jobs side hustles so Wonder way to get to where I am today and if I think about the Brazilian in the sport they can win ADCC but if they can't utilize a marketable style and they can't express themselves well in interviews the idea of them making a million dollars is going to be very difficult and even if they grew up in sort of poorer areas they're not going to have access to people to teach them business skills marketing skills those things are much more difficult for them and a million US Dollars going back to Brazil is going to go a long way that's going to change their family's lives so it is a Tang lifechanging amount of money for them for Gordon a million really is probably a million instructional sell but the amount of people that do that not many so for him to criticize those guys for leaving the tournament that he's in I think it's kind of a bit unfair to those cits that need money the issue that the Brazilians have with the communication barrier their ability to use executive function is actually probably the same of a lot of the more autistic athletes that are from America that's true that kind of levels the playing field in some way that's true and I think obviously covid vaccine has swayed the level of autism's in countries you know like that's be the argument there do you know if the uptake in Brazil was higher or lower than usual because I kept giving it to me but uh I couldn't increase it so I've capped out that's why I'm retiring and going into promoting you know well no you're not you're coming in you're like some football manager that also wants to step like play a coach wants to step out on the field of play against a woman yeah put I mean you run the tournament 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