Kade Ruotolo vs Mikey Musumeci Preview Polaris 29 Preview GRP #355

welcome to the grappling re see exactly grappling rewind podcast welcome to this week on the grappling rewind podcast on this week's show we are going to preview Mikey musami versus Cade Rolo for the one Championship we are also going to preview the entire Polaris 29 card or really the main card for Polaris 29 as always on your show I'm your host Maine Jo my co-host Miranda how you doing Miranda pretty good how are you doing pretty good I was for a second I was like are we seeing the one thing right again yes it is one Championship is one Championship but I don't know I do not know if it's for a belt this time it's not one FC it's one Championship is one 168 and it is it's for the lightweight submission grappling World Championship so is this this is kad's belt yes okay Cades belt yeah oh I didn't know it it's actually for Cades belt oh that's crazy so and it's a co-main event oh who's the main event main event is Jonathan Hagerty versus super Leck oh that's a good fight it's tie fight yeah yeah that'll be a super fun fight hagard has been looking great recently super fun yeah that'll be a really good Main Event um the whole card honestly looks a lot looks like a lot of fun this is the one that's happening in Denver this is the one that I I flew out for uh last year yeah last year may my wife and I's birthday we flew out to Denver to watch Mikey musi and Cade and Tai or Tai at that point go in Denver they've changed the rules a little bit um so it should be a ton of fun uh full disclosure we were doing a back-to-back show this week so we're in the same stuff we have no additional news because it was all in last week's show assume yeah if anything happens in next week uh it just happens yeah so we'll we'll cover that on the following week's show but I want to just like do disclosure we usually have a news section at the beginning of the show but this is the first time in 350 something shows that we've ever had to do them back toback but I'm actually uh in the woods for work for the next two weeks uh so we I'm going to be literally M doesn't believe that the rest of us can run the show without him I absolutely believe that has ever volunteered and also thinking about it like I don't think any of you can run on this [ __ ] um so no because I don't know how any of the [ __ ] Works I'd be like hey this is with Miranda we got one in the woods I'm like what are we doing okay now we have one video and that's it it sound sounds like [ __ ] sorry about your luck this week and that is what I'm here for every week for the past eight years uh so no news this week because of that situation but we do have a really fun match in the card to preview for Polaris Polaris has a great set of cards and matchups that I'm really excited for post ADCC is always fun Ash Williams versus Diego poto kab versus Sam MCN Jed Hugh versus Julian espanosa we have Taylor uh Elish Shaw Hill Shaw Versus Jade Baker we have tinan daa versus Max limbad in the ghee by the way um and we have Aran asales versus Felipe Andrew and mo I'm GNA mess up this gentleman's name Mohamad Antonov versus Jay Rodriguez it's G to be a good show so Miranda let's kick right into it um let's talk with the one I want to talk about the most Kade Kade Mikey this is from Cade's belt um Kade had a phenomenal performance a couple of weeks ago on cji he won the million-dollar tournament he had I'm still G to say the best match that I have ever seen versus Andrew tacket yeah go back and watch the match if you haven't seen it it is free on YouTube phenomenal match it really shows off the pace that both guys can push um it shows off like dynamic dynamic passing and move it's a great match it really has all of the check boxes if you want to get someone into grapping be like hey this is the sport that I'm watching it's a great match to watch that was the semi-finals match of the combat combat of the Craig Jones Invitational that cji always throws me off that was the semi-finals match of that under 80 kilogram tournament the finals match was Levi Jones ly versus k bro yes it was that match was five rounds that match was much less exciting than the Andrew tacken match which is not hard to be less exciting than that match but um it it led to not a little like controversy but it was a close match and I love that the comat that comat I keep saying it the Craig's Invitational has open scoring so you could see going into the rounds like who was going to take it again because it was a new event we all weren't entirely sure how they scored is it MMA style scoring is abcc style scoring some of the some of the ref's decisions were a little like the Luke rockold and Pat Downey was like a little I'm not sure it it we don't know exactly how the scoring of the event Ran So the open scoring was nice to have um going into that match it's basically a tale of we're talking about this match because it is so relevant to the Mikey musy Messi match you brought up on last week's show that stylistically Levi Jones Larry and Kade bolo is a very yes very similar matchup to to Mikey musami and Kade Rolo it is aside from Mikey being about a weight class M he's a little bit smaller than Kade but he's not going to be actually like that significantly smaller than k um they're technically one weight class apart in 1C Mike's ripped as hell Mikey also looks way B like like 10 pounds bigger than he looked so jacked right now yeah I mean he looks they posted pictures one FC is doing a great job by the way of promoting this matchup they have cool infographics with like the last people both guys are face they have Mikey mus me's transformation from like February to March April May like now and like Mikey looks like he's at least 10 pounds bigger and which is the biggest we've ever seen which I mean could be all pasta but I mean but never know I want pasta way to look like that for me I know right I wish I could eat past and look like that you look at Mikey mov mat you with like a ghe on or a shirt on he looks this kind of nerdy like small guy and then you see him with like a shirt off and you're like oh that's a world champion level athlete he also trains for like a million hours day yeah but like you just you look at him he's one of the guys that has like the biggest contrast between like regular guy with a shirt on and like glasses and then you see him like in promotional material you're like oh he has like an eight pack and he's just like astonishingly jacked yeah um the Parallels for these two matches is Stark because Mikey musi and L Jones there whenever we bring up either one of their games we talk about they both play a really really heavy Baron bolo game yes and recently we've seen Levi Jones L go more into the legs than ever before Mikey musi one of the best leg Lockers in the ghe and then very kind of quickly becoming a very very dangerous leg Locker in noi with all his one Championship matches notably didn't see him in ADCC he's declined uh two different times he was going to have a match at C Invitational but it never materialized we weren't quite sure if that was due to one Championship not agreeing well the Craig had come out and said that it was supposed to be against um Marcelo no the MMA fighter that the Australian guy you know fanovi yeah that would have been badass that's what he said that that was the match that he swears it was supposed to be and it didn't work out that would have been super fun think Mikey would have won that match but it would have been super fun to watch I think that's that's what he said was supposed to be the match okay um and it could have been a contract issue with both UFC and with [ __ ] uh 1fc yeah you champ vers like yeah because they kind of do I think for grappling matches see those are weird usually the UFC at least they're old contracts that I know about you could do non-striking Sports and the UFC was fine with it as long as it wasn't like right before a matchup you had they did have veto power for like right if you were already if you were under contract For an upcoming bout then they could you out of it um but if not they were like pretty good with it unless you were a champion and the champion contracts had like other things where they could like bar you from doing other things like that well and onefc is exclusive too so you're also you're also talking about getting chery to allow you to do it yeah which he did for Cade but it was like there's there's kind of a thought of like maybe he didn't for Mikey because a pick your reason yeah um it was still pretty phenomenal it for Cade it was also kind of cool for the Cade matchup um that they that one f one Championship actually posted about Cade winning the tournament yeah for cji which I thought was really unique because typically MMA promotions never post about other promotion like theaters specifically um something like one usually doesn't go post about other like organization so it was really cool to have them go hey he just went and won a big thing and it was like a neat moment to go hey give it's not really but in all honesty it's it's they're two different things one is going to be maybe a yearly thing and one is something that goes on all the time yeah it's it's awesome I just I just appreciate that it it showed hey our champion went out to another organization and won this other thing and he's going to fight Mikey coming up soon you should watch that like this most MMA promotions are not willing to do that it was cool to see one Championship be willing to promote Cade and promote Mikey yeah through cji and it was like it's a neat thing that we in Combat Sports don't see very often in MMA so it was neat um but talking about back to the parallels of the game like you picked up on it this could potentially be kind of a boring match yeah because K could not pass Levi's guard yeah I mean he could there were there were times that he like back flipped over him and got to North South but then he never materialized anything from that position right and if you look at sort of how he passes in 1 FC yeah usually really heavy blast KNE Cuts jumping like it's it's kind of how Kade and Tai for a little less Tai it's kind of how they like to pass do you think that that will work versus Mikey musi and I think like I was thinking about as you brought this point up and I went I don't know and I think also Mikey's a much more heavy leg Locker than Levi Levi is and the only time we've really seen him get taken out Mikey taken out recently at all was Gabriel Souza that was and four years ago and he said he had Co during that match and wouldn't let him pull out and then we saw him in the rematch just pretty easily choke Gabriel s in it was like yep I'm done Bo yeah um so I I don't I just don't see I don't see Cade being able to pass Andor really get a hold of him very well yeah that's and that's I see Mikey just like grabbing one of his legs and like he can try to do back flips and all kinds of [ __ ] to try to get out of it he's just going to [ __ ] up his you know his own [ __ ] yeah the thing is I don't know and I don't think that I I don't think that Cade is going to see the concern not the concerns but the the little maybe problems that he had in the finals match because he won it yeah versus we fix those things before this match we've also seen Kate in some interviews kind of talking about it as like a promotion like a guard player versus a standing Player thing like and it seems to be yeah he said like I'm going to pass him and sub it and I was like really really you going to do here's here's the weird thing about this match and kind of why it's so compelling is that thinking about this more I thought initially that Cade was a much much bigger Grappler than Mikey and in thinking about it no they're only one way class apart Cade made 170 for this tournament which I think kade's going to have a 15 pound advantage on Mikey but if there was any guy that really is not going to matter we you saw Mikey versus Muhammad Ali we've seen Mikey versus C like we've seen Mikey jump into absolute didn't win absolute but he is not a guy that is scared of a guy being bigger because he's been at the lower weight classes his entire career like he's been facing guys that were a little bit bigger than him most of his black belt career and then even before his black belt career like as a child like he's he's a guy that's used to giving up 10 to 15 pounds for a lot of guys when he's training um in historically Kyo when he was with kyot Tera talks about like yeah we really didn't put him with a lot of guys that were like enormous because like that's a great way to get injured um which I like to hear coaches talk about like protecting their athletes but I don't think the size difference between Cade and Mikey I think it's goingon to be it's going to look pretty significant in the cage but I don't actually think those 15 pounds are going to really play that much of a difference for like the way that Cade plays Cade because of his explosiveness of movement because of the way he like does jumping KNE Cuts he does back flips he jumps off the cage none of those are things that he's really leveraging his weight into to pass like the way that he's passing isn't like grinding he's not even like opening you up with a grinding style and then jumping past yeah he's usually doing it from a mid or long range for people that don't have as Dynamic guards as Mikey Mikey's a guy I mean I think the biggest the biggest match we can see that in is his match with Matas Gabriel in one Championship um Mikey plays a rangy open guard that he's willing to go into either pum your back go to barolo go crab ride or go into the legs go to the top side like the miky lock on the shoulder he look at the match he had with um gurg yeah where he just blew out every ligament in his hip and knee yeah he just went for everything and you know look at the match with emari where it's the back or Shin or the match with not Shena um that Cade Mikey has a pretty standard way that he's going to attack and play he can be the top player but he's going to be the guard player here yeah the only I mean the only real Avenue is is that because he can't immediately pull guard is like that is the the initial exchange to get Mikey to pull he's gonna give his leg he has to give his leg for Kade to grab it so pull right is something happen in that exchange is literally you jump a freaking Dar as dude tries to sit and I don't know if you can I don't think it's but I don't think you can stand in Dar Cade I just think especially early in a match maybe he's dry but yeah he's just going to give you too much if anyone could hold on to it it' be a guy like Mikey but Mikey really isn't a power sub guy no I'm not talking about him I'm talking about Cade you think Kade jumps a Dar something like that I think Kade has to sub him almost immediately to win because once he sits to his butt it's his game yeah my my other question but you can't pull guard so they have to they have's do M he walks forward with his leg his leg you take the leg down and they're on the guard that's what I mean if you can kind of jump something as before he but that that's I mean my thought is in the so the one one the way that one Championship does their scoring is activity and catches yeah and we saw this recently in Danielle Cali match versus um my bastos yeah uh it's by the the amount of catches like who catches us for these guys going to be any sub but usually a leg um and and it's a legitimate sub that is putting pressure into whatever it is to break it or to to damage it the referee goes catch and then that is what counts and essentially usually who has the who has more catches that are better wins the match if there are no catches it's activity it's top pressure it's it's it's it's the MMA scoring yeah and maybe if if it's a cage um and Cade can like put Mikey up against the wall in a cage maybe then there's some stuff he can get even like with the match with matus Gabriel we saw for K like he kind of put matus there and like who was like jumping KNE cutting him gabri is retaining the cage Mike has think more experience in the cage versus a guy like Matas Gabriel my thought is this goes I I really don't both these guys are top level and they're World CH they're both world champions this a literally an actual super fight between two champions in an organization in like the true sense of the word both guys have the skills to sub like Cade has has a phenomenal Dar game he's super long him and his brother are both super long with the arm in uh Dar the Rolo team from the back like great they have good leg lockers like he beat Micah um Galva with a heel hook at ADCC like in the Championships of 2022 like we know he has good leg locks we've seen we've seen Mike mui finish heel hooks from RE naked chokes like these guys have the submission skills to be able to sub each other if they are put in the right spot that being said I don't think either one of these guys I think Mikey is going to be aware of the pace that Kate is going to bring he's also gonna have Kennedy masal and Cobrin probably in his Corner Ty I mean Kate is gonna have his brother in his Corner yeah and probably Andre gaval in his Corner uh if they're in Denver both are going to go in knowing what the other guy's going to bring to the table he's been having um Eric pson in his Corner oh yeah that's who's been in his corner I remember that now Eric Paulson's been in his corner for for his MMA fight and then he was in his corner for cji cuz I kept it wasn't G no it was galal it was gal but it was also Paulson because I kept on seeing Paulson I was like that's you train it with pson yeah I was like that's so weird yeah cuz he's just one of those he's he's kind of like one of those old school guys that the oldest of schools yeah just like appears all like kind of like Steven Seagal like all of a sudden he's just there yeah he's like that's [ __ ] I'm surprised we didn't see SE skull at in Vegas we saw him seen him we saw him yeah at 20 whatever the last 2019 I think H 2022 I think yeah 2022 we saw him but we didn't see him this time yeah at all which is weird normally he appears he does I but I think the matchup for this is is really interesting because Mikey is a good game planner and he knows what kade's gonna bring Cade they don't seem as concerned with the game plan like they know that the athletic talents and gifts and just the style of the Roto jiu-jitsu deals with a lot of that I think that's also somebody who they create their own game plan on their own on on what they want to do as opposed to someone who creates a game plan on what their competitor is going to do yeah and Kyle seems very much like a coach first kind of guy where it's like his coaching staff and his team who what' I say Mikey no you said you said Kyo and K's yeah but when Mikey was with Kyo and now he's with Kennedy and he's with sitz Tong as well um he seems like a guy that he has some thoughts in game plans but his team will also work to kind of work together with him to game plan specifically for an opponent like Mikey is always bouncing between like pretty uh technical heavy coaches that are known to be good game planners and like specific athlete game planners versus like some guys are good team game planners like Co our whole team does it this way and does this thing the guys that Mikey's with are all like okay I'm going to take this guy my athlete who is good at this thing and game plan around this specific matchup and the coaching that he's had recently Kade doesn't really seem to have that approach it seems like hey man this is my hammer that I'm going to hit everyone with and match up and like that will just work because I am so overwhelming unless you are like the elite of the elite of the elite you just can't stop me which I think is a great strategy and approach um but I think Mikey with being able to take a more kind of thoughtful approach and Technical approach in the matchup knows he has to get catches I think Kade will be much more willing to jump for things yeah but I think Mikey has phenomenal defense and counter defense I think um both guys probably have speed parallel like we think about Kade as being like super fast but Mike's also really fast but he also tends to be he jumps around less he's more fast than his hips yeah he's more methodical yeah and so it's it's a really interesting style matchup of it really comes down to do you think Mikey from the bottom can attack enough of kade's back and can attack enough on his legs to be able to rack up catches or do you think the top pressure and activity and kind of throwing KNE cuts through the center and the middle that Kade has I think I think that Mikey has and Mikey also has I think the ability to have even if he gets like a bunch of KNE cuts against him maybe the first one works maybe the second one he starts throwing offense off of it and then by the second by the second or third one like he's like rolling through like as you KNE cut he's coming after your leg and rolling he's not a guy you can hit with the same thing like three times yeah yeah that's that's a really good thought and I think and I think he has the ability to I mean if they haven't already game planned over certain you know specific things happening I can see him like when he first came out it was he was a little bit more like he was stuck on one thing and if you couldn't get this one thing like and he even talked about that in his interview like man I get really tunnel visioned on one thing sometimes and I I can't kind of get off of that I think he worked with his team and to like kind of get get better about that in certain matchups yeah so I I just think he I think technically he can beat him weirdly enough I kind of almost I think one of two things happens I think Mikey either gets more catches gets a decision here or Kade just throws up so much overwhelming offense that there are no catches and Cade has just done more in the matchup and wins from Top pressure and positioning and like not top pressure but like activity in the matchup I think that is sort of the two watching again like I said earlier in the show watching either guy sub wouldn't really surprise me both are phenomenal submission artist like go look at their title runs um like let's run through them in one championship Kade Rolo has beaten shinuki UL Uli KV matus Gabriel Tommy ler timing laner again Francisco low and then subbed Blake Cooper in his first MMA fight Mikey musi has beat masakazu IM minari cber sza gamur I can never pronounce his last name Bay and durian Bay andur that was really good Osama Amari Jared Brooks shinoki and Gabriel sza like both have had phenomenal runs in 1 FC and I think that they're setting up Mikey musi to go against tomoyuki Hashimoto because Hashimoto just had a matchup and that's another rematch that we saw in I ggf worlds 2018 I think um between musi and um Tomy Yuki both have phenomenal tools I just think this will be Mikey musami knowing exactly what Kate is going to bring to the table planning against it and Cade being able to throw the kitchen sink at Mikey but if he can't any catches I think Mikey's going to take this if he gets a single catch yeah I also it's wild how they've aged both of them seriously the pictures leading up to this match both of them look like they have seen some [ __ ] yeah look Combat Sports is not nice to your body I know but like they both look like they aged like 20 years Also Mikey has that birth mark next to his eye that always makes it look like he just has a black eye which is like for Combat Sports is pretty badass um they did pick an odd picture of Kade hair where he has like laugh lines yeah he has like almost like a beard in the picture it's so weird I don't know look I that's that's how I think the matchup is going to go moranda what do you think I kind of I I am leaning towards Mikey if he's able to get any if able to get a single catch I'm leaning Mikey but I think if Cade is able to like stay out of Mikey's leg locks then Kade can win on a decision activity what do you think here it is for Cade's title and I think I think it's chion I think it's similar I think Mike's going to win but I think Kade has the ability to stay out of his game that he can do it like you said but I don't know if that's possible yeah like I don't know how I'm trying to think of who we think who we have seen shut down either one of these guys oh we just saw Cade not be able to pass Levi he won but he didn't pass him I think Levi but Levi is also bigger yeah like that's that's the thing is not that much bigger do yeah do you think those 15 pounds matter not really then so it's Mike is a better Bower than levias they have I think they have the same game yeah yeah they do have a remarkably similar game very similar game where both are going to sit both are going to play to the bolo play to the back if needed play I think Mikey will play more into the legs if he wants to yeah um I think Mikey is probably a better rear naked choke finisher yeah than than Levi but it's close yeah but I think they they're very similar and I think Kade won that match on activity and going after him yeah and it was close yeah so I think if anything Mikey and his Camp probably watched that match and was like oh we need to find a way to get him to engage right and like find ways to create that engagement yeah and I think if Cade starts backing out of this match potentially I for for grappling for one Championship I don't know if they stand them up or not I don't think they do I think they make the top player engage like a grappling match um but I could see I can see in this match Cade getting frustrated with Mikey's guard but Mikey will also butt scoot towards you yeah like he'll and that's thing I would it wouldn't surprise me to see Cade R even kind of how vocal he's been about the Levi match this week get frustrated with Mikey's guard and start talking to the ref and being like kind of complaining about it um if he is unable to like get by it but then he might get frustrated and try to do something like you know stand stand on Mikey's legs you know whatever what is that passing called uh leg pin passing yeah try to do that and Mike's just like oh I got your leg now and you know what I mean and know how to capiz off of that kind of Engagement yeah like like I you deal with another world championship level guy that like can take any little like you're planted there I just think that I think you step on Mikey and he might he might get your he might go after yeah yeah again I Le the more I think about this match really I think had we not I leading up in like the two months we've talked about this match I've been going Kade the entire time seeing the Levi Jones L match and all the parallels between M musi and Levi Jones leer I I kind of lean uh Mikey musi here in this I in I just think that he stylistically it's something that they Roo team is not going to be able to change their game that significantly to deal with in the next like week or two weeks at this point essentially before the matchup yeah so so we both picked Mikey yeah I think that's an upset I think but I think when you um I think the odds that they put out for the match is heavy Mikey too really I haven't seen the odds yeah I saw them today I didn't know that and I think they were heavy they were heavy because people were um kind of like saying that was a big thing I didn't I wish I wish would have seen the odds before we did this but I just I just it's not kind of talking point another kind of thing to consider cuz oddsmakers have getting much better at the grappling matches recently um well I mean it's oh that was in as voted by you well let's look at the odds okay regardless that's I think regardless it would be a fun matchup um it might not be like a super action-packed matchup but I think it is awesome to finally have one Championship putting two of their grappling they're you know their undef defeated grappling Champions together um and then the other kind of my other thought here is if Kade is going to go into MMA it's not necessarily the worst to have Mikey as a two Division champion as an active Grappler that Mikey is like he's dabbling with Muay Thai a little bit in Thailand or like Singapore but I don't think he's like looking to make the transition over into striking Sports no whereas Kate is and so if like this is a Handover of a title to Mikey from like a promotional perspective if Mikey takes that I don't think one Championship is super upset they never really built a division around Roo they've given him consistent matches that are good and fun matches but Mikey is here to kind of stay as a Grappler and I think they're very willing to put Cade into the 155s for MMA especially with that win over Blake Cooper yeah so from a promotional perspective Mikey winning here wouldn't surprise me I think regardless if either wants the rematch after it'd be a great match to have a rematch for I think it could be maybe not the most exciting match but um I do lean Mikey here and I do lean uh probably by catches same thing yeah all right I agree so let's move on anything else on one FC Miranda nope that's it one Championship one Championship we got that right like once we we've been getting right more and more and more so talk let's talk about uh Polaris Miranda where do you want to start with if you have a bunch of players matches to cover where do you want to start here we'll just start wherever you're at all right let's let's start ADCC silver medalist Jay Rodriguez takes along takes on Mohamad Antonov um I think uh is jrod yeah I think it's jrod like go jrod has looked the best like we talked we've talked for years about Jay Rodriguez you know ever since you know his brother ever since his brother was a guy and then we saw that he had a younger brother that was a better wrestler and also looking to go the Jiu-Jitsu route but some of the things that I've always kind of played jrod are he's a slow starter and he's young and he didn't have a huge depth of like technical well to pull from but the slow starter thing has seemingly went away yeah this last ADCC he showed us hey man uh dimma fixed that problem apparently um and so I'm really curious if he's not we've seen we've seen J get beaten by like jaob cow and by jont Gracie um we see John Carlo bodoni you know we've seen her we've seen that match twice now um and it was close the second time I think he uh is used to a higher level competition yeah um though it said he was it says he's a regular training partner of the notorious ENT like well because Muhammad Anon is out of SBG with Conor McGregor and whole te so I mean he is he does see that that kind of he might see some of that but not the same level of grappling not not as B Team like SBJ SBG Ireland is is a good grappling team like they're they put out the very good Regional Grapplers but their gym is mostly focused on MMA yeah B team is like one of the best jiujitsu comp gyms in the world yes uh they're both brown belts you know jrod and Muhammad but really that's one of those like it doesn't the belt you win you get silver which is the B Team way at ADCC Brown belt's kind of in in pretty big quotation marks there um I just think if you look look at accolades alone of like what Jay Rodriguez has just done and Muhammad is mostly still like in the Ireland scene in the European scene on a more local level with no huge wins in major tournaments like trials or anything else I think it'd be really kind of D to pick him just based on where Jay Rodriguez is at and where he is at right now yeah again but it's cool and I don't think Jay Rodriguez took any injuries at 8cc or at least it didn't seem like he did no he looked fine he looked fine but again it's a rough tournament for a couple of days but he's also young he doesn't seem super injury prone kind of like his brother doesn't seem super injury prone um they're more durable than than the Ryan brothers yeah uh I I'm gonna go J Rodriguez here I'm gonna go we're gonna get choke that is what he likes I wouldn't surprise me to have him like snap down turn turn the corner get behind rolling back take which is something we saw him use him and his brother use a lot more now it's what Nick Rodriguez used to win cji was that jumping kind of rolling back take I think him and his brother are both using that wouldn't surprise me to see that here on Polaris as well Miranda any other thoughts for the matchup no I think Jay's gonna win I don't know how but I believe he will uh next matchup let's talk about we're here Arian esz versus Felipe Andrew we've seen Arya on Polaris a bunch of over the years on grapplefest um Filipe Andrew just almost won a million dollars at cji uh this is actually a rematch from like when was it 20 long 19 I think six years ago remember yeah six or seven years ago long time ago I think Felipe Andrew won this by bia or head and arm right head and arm choke I think is what it was head and arm choke um for me this is a pretty cut and dry you have Felipe Andrew at the Top If your name is not really Adam warzinski or Nick Rodriguez like not a lot of guys are taking out Felipe Andrew right now um G and noi but he any show that it doesn't even me like the guy can be huge the guy can be G and he's like I have a triangle I'm going to throw this triangle at you and I mean almost triangled Daniel uh Daniel Kirk kirket Kirk yeah yeah K uh a bunch of times and kette just decided it's at Craig's Invitational no no it doesn't exist and we all were just screaming in the stands like [ __ ] doesn't work as we all got like really sad having devoted a huge Port of portion of our adult life to training that Sport and watching Kirk just go no yeah we're like dude can we do that is that something that we just does that work did no no one did we just not realize that if you just stood up in triangles you get out of them they just get get you out and then you try in the gym you're like all right I'm not uh human fridge yeah um but Filipe Andre has one of the best triangles in the world look at the triangle in 2020 versus Keenan look at his triangle over Hulk those are always two of the big touch points whenever I talk about fipe Andrew's game that I kind of go back to because they're the exact same triangle that everyone knows he does and he's still to do it he has a super nice hand trap um I think he'll probably pull here I do think that we're probably going to see him finish either a triangle because he was throwing a ton of those up at cji um or we're going to see him get back to the back again like he has historically done in like more of his ibjjf uh tournament wins um but I I do think this is probably going to be F Andrew especially because they have history before and Arya has not been as active on the international competitive scene as Felipe has I think Felipe's I'm still looking and I mean I got a lot of matches to go through I'm like you f Andrew yeah I I picked the wrong one to start with like I should have picked um Arya and not FIP Andrew CU I started going through and I was like holy [ __ ] I'm still going through m Andrew's been super I think his ibf picture is still a picture when he's like 13 for years F Andrew had like a really really old ibjjf picture for his registration when he was like a child and it was always funny like why is he using that picture still he just never updated it maybe his ajp picture but I think it's his IB gdf picture um again this is for me it's it's an easy pick whenever the guys have history uh Arya has been less active on the international scene Felipe has still been Super Active on the international seen KES katami he lost by or k Ki katami had an arm choke in 20 2019 at the European open okay so the European Championship so like six years ago yeah or yeah six years ago essent or yeah Jesus so yes I I just think this is f banju probably by sub um R do you have a thought I think I think triangle because I think triangle cuz he was throwing up triangles like it was the end and I mean he goes after your arm too so it could be armar but it's going to be ar triangle it's going to be set up from a a triangle yeah that again he just seems to be really leaning he's always leaned heavy into that but it just seems like he was not obstinate with it but he he was confident and it didn't really matter how big you were either he was like big guy triangle little guy triangle you know even Nikki Nicki Rod triangle tried never was like nope I've seen what you can do you're a wizard with that so yeah that's kind of how I think this one goes as well um Felipe Andrew again in the rematch again is a fun match we we've seen Arya a ton on grapplefest and Polaris so it's cool to see him back but I just think it's a rough matchup for him again here next one we have we have tinan Dela versus Max limbad in the ghee I love that Polaris occasionally puts him back in the ghee they're like hey guys I know the sport on the professional scene is mostly no G um but I still occasionally like seeing a highlevel ghee match and again if you're gonna throw a guy that really does the ghee and it's exciting in the ghee like ma or like Titan like tinan we talk about him um really kind of should be two-time world champion but he got beat by Jansen Gomez first year black and then he got uh DED uh for I ggf uh rule page illegal technique 19 uh the backside entry versus Francisco low that's some [ __ ] um rules but inconsistent rules he's taking on Max lmad uh seen Max limbad we don't talk about him a ton super prolific European competitor um he was on the European team squads yeah in adx yeah we've seen who's against adx I forget uh recently it was P ralo yeah he lost that match but it was still it was still a fun match in the ghee and we like we enjoyed watching his match in the ghee um but this is this is super tough It's you're taking on tin alpra and you're not Jansen Gomez and you're not an ibf rule book and Polaris is going to let him do the entry that he wants to do for that backside uh leg entry yeah I really think this is a tin this is tin of DPR being able to Showcase what he can do in the ghee yeah like we said that every time we talk about tinan like there's nobody at the weight that really contends with him most of the time like the two losses we see him have one like from a DQ for a rule that there's team knew that but it was like inconsist it's one of those rules that half the time they get it half time no less than half time it's not a common DQ and a lot Francisco low kind of sells it yeah he kind of sold the the money you know even though his knee was already [ __ ] up before he got there but you know it is what it is that was the only way he was going to win against T in anyway so but anyway so yeah I go tin here I wish I could have more like thought process but it's just daa's passing his takedown game like every time we see daa it's just more folds and more like Nuance of like wow he is getting better and better and better we got something against jrod recently in noi and in the ghee his control his ability to to pass and control you um and not allow you to really have any space to do anything um is he super dynamic in the passing as well like we see him do outside passing Gator Roll passing long step passing like all of it and he changed the passing together better than any Grappler in the world in the game yeah in a way that is truly kind of like beautiful to watch every time you see it you're like wow you are his gator roll is amazing his gator his his grip on the pant and then the top sleeve he just runs through and it's one of those things where you see it and you're like you're like you make that look way easier than it actually is you know combined with like a long step pass sometimes too and a knee push pass like it's phenomenal again I hope you know the best version of Max limbad shows up but I don't think that Jansen Gomez wins the rematch yeah I don't think I'm gonna pick tyan daa over anyone in the world in thege right now and it's a 15minute ghee match too yeah so it means it may be a little slower but Tan's GNA get some time to warm up in the event yeah it will be at the pace that tinan wants to work because in the ghee you work at the pace that tinan wants to work at and once he gets going it is a freight train and very very few people can ever stop him so uh that's that matchup uh do you think I think T probably takes up arica choke yeah gets the back cuz that's where he kind of been favoring he'll get the mount he'll take the back I'm curious if this is going to be uh if they're going to do this as rounds with like they score five five five in the rounds or if they're actually going to have points in this one I think they probably will do the open scoring for like the round five minute five minute five minute I think the super fights are the five minute five minute five minute yeah they do move around occasionally but that's I think there's there's one for the the Brack ETS I think the brackets get points and I think the super fights for the GPS yeah and the super fights are the ones that get the three the three periods with the scoring like when they say red corner corner or whatever so this is a phenomenal match up I again I love to see tinan I love to see him in the ghee love to see him showcased in the ghee it's really cool and again get a chance to see Max limbat again uh we also have um coming back after a long layoff when is the last time we've seen kabat we have he did like some open he did a ibjjf open somewhere was after he got his black belt right in California no in C he did okay so after remember but it wasn't it wasn't a major it was something and it was after the alleged leg break okay yeah so allegedly P broke kabat's foot yeah or leg in a some sort of leg lock at aoj like a year ago or something like a while ago and we haven't seen at all yeah we didn't see him at ADCC we haven't seen him didn't get invited wouldn't be surprising he didn't get invited again because he didn't place he didn't medal he didn't move past the first round I don't think in 2022 after he won trials he's been doing a lot with them opening a kids school with aoj yeah so that could be also part of of what's going on but um I don't know he text on S MCN yeah um I think this is going to be I don't know if this is ghee or not actually it doesn't it doesn't actually have it listed here uh the picture looks like both of them in a ghee so I think this might actually be another ghee match they bring both tinan and Cole over in the ghee wouldn't surprise me uh Sam mcnali I think will is a guy that does both but historically we cover most of his matches is noi matches um this will really be kind of a I think Cole takes this Sam is absolutely former trials winner is no slouch um you know has a win over Gary tonin uh yeah but I just it I'm hesitant because I don't know where Cole's at but I don't think the Mendes brothers are willing to put him into matches they think he will lose yeah I don't think they're going to put him in a bad match like it's not nothing against s MCN it was just it's more of those like your first match back the Mendes brothers are very controlling in the way that they manage their athletes career years and in Good Reason their athletes you know go on to do phenomenal things yeah I just think that if I knew nothing else I didn't know sem MD's game at all um I don't think they'd put Cole in a match coming back off an injury that would let him like have a chance for failure yeah and I almost would think that maybe this is the ghee because that would put less they can't can they heal hook in the ghee in Polaris oh I don't remember they might be able to actually cuz Polaris might be one of those that're like [ __ ] it we can tow hold and the heel hook and the ghee was it Polaris it's one of them that does it it is one of them I for which one it is one of them let's it let's it which one it was so we don't know it's funny cuz it we only cover Helix on the ghe like once or twice a year and besides the local permission local you can do it you you ref a match and it's like it's legal this time um but yeah I'm I'm going to go cold here again I think we haven't seen much much from Samson's trials um we hav't much in C since his leg got broken I just think stylistically like allegedly his allegedly yeah we don't know much we don't know AJ Camp is pretty quiet most of the time oh also Felipe Andrew now is at AJ yeah we didn't talk about that in the match with ar yeah we forgot about that him and his woman went over oh really yeah cuz that was the other female that was in that picture with him oh I didn't realize there was someone else in the back just saw FIP I just saw fipe Andrew it was Felipe Andrew and his um I thought it was gee in that picture it was was three of them it was three people on picture there was just two okay no I just saw Felipe and I was like cool he's he's at AJ now um so yeah there's actually a lot of guys from aoj on this card interestingly enough so so they must have all went together yeah that would and that would make sense if you're going to bring your whole camping your coach out there um dude there's multiple Flo Andrews yeah and there's one that's super religious I just went to it and it was all yeah religious not the right not quite the righty I was like not the one I was looking for um again I just think Cole's passing when we saw him looked really good his guard play off his back looked really good his sweepking looked really good yeah Leticia Cardoza okay over as well is with f Andre yeah and they both switched over so I think that I'm gonna take Kat here but again s MCN has upset before depending on how cole looks post injury could upset again uh next one we have one that I am amped for we have Ash Williams versus Diego PTO uh Ash Williams I forget who took out Ash at ADCC this year do you remember it was in Tri trials no no he he he was in there cuz I sat I talked to one of his guys from his gym oh there we go okay oh [ __ ] Jesus Christ well P where took him out a couple weeks ago yeah uh oh that's kind of he L did he why why would they do that did he choke him now I'm it's killing me because I'm not I'm not remembering how how this match actually played out in the first round or second yeah first round it's because second round was was uh poto and Kinston where where PTO hit him with that really really exciting knee bar because uh because Ethan cson had gotten had gotten past Ethan Thomas in the first round and then people are screaming at their uh at their radios right now and I always appre I always appreciate the angry messages of like it's this guy like I know I've looked as soon as the show ended we immediately looked it up most of the time but I always appreciate the feedback um even without knowing how he submitted him this is a rematch a couple weeks after this is poto like they just they just matched up P just beat him yeah two weeks ago it's yeah it it is the way it is unfortunately is is the result even up yet no it's not up really it's not even up yet that's crazy no I don't see it can you pull it up in flo possibly in FL Arena just mute oh Flo Flo Arena yeah Flo Arena will have the result uh with the match being directly clickable in it but why while you do that I'll move on uh we also on this card have Jed Hugh versus Julian espanosa Julian espanosa is the guy that we saw on the finisher card um a couple weeks ago yeah I was there for the never ending freaking card that was the one like that was the one that matches started at like 6 and then it was like 1:00 a.m. in the morning and matches are still going on yeah not a good look not a good look but so Julian is smaller uh Jed Hugh bounces between um I think jedu did like under 99 at trials or something like that but he is now was the was in the 77 kilogram division and now is moving into the 66 kilogram division uh score 60 oh he didn't submit a pointed him uhuh 6 oh really okay it is still up it's in flow Arena okay so yeah I again sorry back to the back to the PTO and Ash Williams match um again I think PTO just took Sil he took out Ash in the first round I think the game plan for PTO especially with the metage brothers in his Corner again Ash is Hometown and Ash just undefeated at Polaris but that's a poto has beating Dante who beat uh Jean Carlo bodoni like he beat Michael Cal yeah beat Michael Cal like man like P's looking phenomenal recently so I mean p took a lot of damage from Kanan take a lot of damage from and then also got choked by baby shark yeah at the end there so um I I think it would be a very exciting match yeah Ash absolutely has the tools to deal with PTO but I think in a rematch so close and in the manda's Brothers Camp they're going to come with a brand new game plan to deal with that again Ash has great game planners and great great camp at drag there we don't know if it's in the ghee or if it's not in the ghee you don't know about any of these matches I assume this is no G I know ashell occasionally throw on the ghee but I'm pretty sure it's so Ash doesn't do the ghee yeah I'm pretty sure he does the ghee I don't think I don't think he can pets in the ghee H actually no there's a there's a comment that is like that all of these are in the ghee actually because they're both it's two pictures of them in the ghee that's what that's the pictures are normally what I go by if it's in the ghee then that changes thing slightly not a really not really but it it's it kind of creates a different air about it's not an immediate rematch ghe to nogee it's a it's a rematch in the ghee so fpp Andre and I think is actually in the G as well but I think the first match was in the g at the European open so that doesn't change our thought process on that at all okay so again I'm I'm I'm going to go with PTO here I think P's game looks a little leg lock it looks a little less leg lock heavy in the ghee but I think the scoring opportunities that he used in ADCC are still going to be there in Polaris and he's still be able to play a points game on Ash Williams don't think he gets the sub on Williams depending on how much injury he took um but Ash again if pot's a little slower or you know has had a rough recovery from ADCC can absolutely keep his undefeated streak alive here any other kind of closing thoughts on that one nope Jed Hugh and Julian Espinosa back to that one um we were impressed with Julian Espinosa in the Finish format it's much different than the Polaris format yeah here um but also with Jed Hugh down all the way like we haven't seen Jed Hugh this small in a long time yeah um I don't actually know if you've covered Jed Hugh ever this small I think maybe the so Jed Hugh got taken out by is it matus shinski at 77 because matus and that was 77 kg yeah and this was oh he's yeah 66 so is this at 66 I think he's going down to 66 moved towards title exension at 66 and 70 Kil but it says and 70 kilos kilos I think he's moving towards like title both of them okay yeah so I think this is like a I think this would be a big cut for Hugh you said Espinosa starting on the smaller side of 66 as it kind of is yeah um this is actually a really weird one because I was really impressed with Espinosa at finishers but I've repeatedly been impressed with Hugh yeah at Polaris minus the foot lock immediately minus the foot lock that he got broken mat shinski broke his foot in 8 seconds um in the grossest foot lock I've seen in a very long time and I don't think Julian has that sort of that snap break that snap breaking power um so I think it'll be an interesting match this should be super close honestly um I do lean Jed here but again it really I think that he knows how to use his size in a way that might be able to slow Julie down because we saw sometimes Julian kind of get a little if he doesn't have a really shitty cut yeah if he has a shitty cut this is absolutely Julian can take this just on the shitty cut because again that's a big I swear to God Jed Hugh did like under 99 at one point but I think when he does under 99 he's still he's still on the smaller side I think 180 something which makes sense if you're CAU if you're 77 yeah but again that 140 cut like we've seen no it does not Mak sense because 77 kg is 168 Point N yeah yeah so if you're 180 it's 10 lb yeah but also 180 to 145 is 35 lb well and for MMA that's different MMA yes that happens but yeah that's grappling doesn't happen as much so this this would be a fun one I think this would be for me a nice benchmarking match of like where's Julian Espinosa where's Jed Hugh especially at this weight class um I think I'm going to lean Hugh here but having Julian Julie Julian upset wouldn't really surprise me that much either and then Julian's also been put against um Keith Koran middle be or the middle of September for place of yeah that'll be a fun one coming up or Invitational maybe yeah place of Peace place of Peace Invitational which is a a tournament name I can I can never say correctly it's like a Philly based yeah um kind of hard to find I've always wanted to go up there for that so those are all the matches that I have on Polaris Mar in any kind of closing thoughts on any of these no not really so this should be a fun a great main event I like it I love the players is bring BR back the ghee and no and it's on UFC Fight Pass and it'll be probably in the middle of the afternoon which will be fun oh yeah these 11:00 cards are they L like afternoon Jiu-Jitsu this polar is one of the reasons I keep Fight Pass and every time I see a Polaris card I'm like that's worth like that they put on a card every couple months and I think Fight Pass is like 15 bucks or whatever a month I pay like the whole year for it and I'm like yeah I'll pay 30 bucks essentially this is my Polaris and occasionally there's other other grappling cards I watch f is normally on it fur is on it quintet on sometimes EB on it combates on there's other events that happen on it but if it were just Polaris and I'll pay 30 bucks for a card essentially like it's worth it cuz players cards are universally I think some of the most consistent top quality cards that we get yeah they're fun like very rarely to have a Polaris card it's like it's okay like usually they're like some we we do end of the year shows usually there's like one or two Polaris cards like last year both the men's GP and the women's GP were at the top of is Polaris is also good that if somebody somebody falls out like in the next two weeks if somebody falls out they'll get some like heavy hitter in last minute and it'll be like completely yeah the player seems to take care of their athletes in a really good way and it I do like that their replacement match ups are usually like all right maybe it's not like the same level but it's usually like okay it's a name guy it's a good replacement it's a matchup that I'm interested in for different reasons they do a really good job of that and so again can't wait to watch Polaris would love to make it to one of their events live one day it was great talking with some of the Europeans uh at live at ADCC or at cji one of the two at cji in the line we sat in the merch line for an hour talk to some of the guys from Ash's Camp oh did so it it was cool uh they were great folk and it was great to talk to them about kind of Ash's camp and the training and it was like it was very very nice so I feel bad very bad about picking against Ash in the PTO matchup um but again it's it should be a phenomenal event Polaris always puts on great events it's PTO what' I say no I said it's PTO oh yeah but it's PTO it's like it's like baby shark or flip a coin man it's it's tough like P's sub every unless yeah unless you're going against like kind unless he's an absolute and then it's like the small people never win absolute like they my people mean every in a while but not they don't they don't lochin is as close as we got and he was still a 77 yeah okay pick 166 that's made at the podium on ADCC oh wait but then we did have a Dell yeah Daddy went yeah uh 55 kilos here it's at I won the absolute Championship that's phenomenal the women can do it occasionally yeah it it doesn't it doesn't happen in the men's because we have guys like Ken and Cyborg and Dean Moody yeah taking my people out so uh I'm not bitter than I'm a tiny small man um Miranda anything else you got that's all I got for this we you have anything else you going on no I think that's that's it for right now all right so as always in the show I'm your host Maine to my co-host Maranda and we are the grappling 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