'Has David Lammy sided with ISLAMIST NUTCASES?' | Patrick Christys FUMES over Israel arms suspension

David Lamy is facing allegations that he's unfit for office I will forever be amazed that cir starma saw this clip implication you're comparing the ERG to the Nazi party or or at least to the South African racists now whatever you think about the ERG that was an unacceptable comparison wasn't it Andrew I would say that that wasn't strong enough yeah and thought that he should be our foreign secretary I I will be forever amazed as well um that this this man here has managed to rise to the esteemed office of foreign secretary but now he has and his alleged incompetence will have real world consequences for all of us yesterday David Lamy used his first big speech in government to say this certain UK arms exports to Israel there does exist a clear risk that they might be used to commit or facilitate a serious violation of international humanitarian law I have informed my right honorable friend the business and trade secretary and he is therefore today announcing the suspension of around 30 from a total of approximately 350 these include equipment that we assess is for use in the current conflict in Gaza yeah that was on the day the Israeli families were laying the bodies of her masses hostages to rest shocking timing isn't it Israel is our big Democratic Ally in the region full of vile islamist nutcases who want to to obliterate us and our way of life as David Lamy sided with those Nut Cases Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu certainly thinks so he did right on XIs is a shameful decision will not change Israel's determination to defeat Hamas a genocidal terrorist organization that savagely murdered 1,200 people on October the 7th including 14 British citizens Hamas is holding over 100 hostages including five British citizens instead of standing with Israel a fellow democracy defending itself against barbarism Britain's misguided decision will only embolden herass well who's are of the biggest Ali it's the Americans isn't it how do they feel well they say that Lamy lied to them he assured them he wouldn't do this he hasn't even managed to appease the far left though has he labor and pearo Sultan still calling for a full arms embargo he'll never appease that lot the only people Mr Lami is pleased are Hass and he delivered a disaster class in how to be a rubbish politician but we all know why he and starma did this don't we Labour lost a lot of the Muslim vote at the last election and they'll keep doing things like this to try to appease them I think it does beg the question who is really running Britain let's get a thoughts of my panel this evening columnist and broadcaster Esther kru director of the center of migration and economic Prosperity Steven wolf and the political commentator Jonathan L um Stephen yeah I I'll start with you again on this you know David Lamy here is he dangerously incompetent I think it's dangerously stupid foreign office politics to be able to isolate one of the Allies that we have in the Middle East in Israel uh in order to really support as you quite rightly said those voters that have left the Labour party gone after the Gang of Five For example that we talked about earlier who really want to no longer vote for the Labour party unless they are stronger on Palestine but as you've seen the fact that he's only getting rid of a a few weapons is hardly going to do any damage to Israel in the long run it's just really a shff out to those people to try and say look we are listening we are trying to do something but I remember that scene from uh yes prime minister where there was a discussion between uh the Prime Minister and the civil servant about selling arms to the red Brigade terrorists and the civil servant said at the end of the day prime minister we may not be selling some of them but they'll get them anyway because our business his business of Britain to sell them to Israel and Israel will get them in their ownland they will carry on doing this but I think at the end of the day he's made a massive Mistake by not supporting he's alienated everybody he's he's you know he's angered the Israelis the Americans are are saying Source anyway was coming out basically said he lied to them openly about it he's not appeased the hard left whatsoever and you know I just don't quite understand why he's doing I mean my view on this is that he's decided that he wants to try to appease the Muslim vote in Briston I think David Lamy is quite clearly out of his depth I think one of the things that we have to realize is what message does this send he's saying that this is based on legal um sort of qu that there's potential for sort of international human rights violation but that doesn't really add up because even if the the question is that there is the potential it hasn't been proven so it's kind of like innocent until proven guilty and also since 2021 Britain has sent over 17 billion P worth of arms to countries with proven human rights records abuses like Saudi Arabia like Egypt like tar like Bahrain like turkey so there's an inconsistency in our foreign policy which clearly makes this decision look political rather than legal and then if it is political who has he helped no one in Britain is Happy none of his his allies or Bank PES are going to be happy because he's not calling for a complete ceasefire this is only EMB Bolding himass who are who who are happy but this this isn't it he's not saying we're not going to sell you arms unless you you call for a ceasefire his excuse because I'm being very forensic about this what he has said is this is because of the potential for international human rights violations that's fine but then we're going to look at this quite forensically if that is the case why are we still selling arms to the lik of the Saudis who does everyone remember the murder of Jamal kogi they chopped him up and and and and barbecued him like a goat basically at the back of the embassy in Turkey like if if we're selling arms those people I'm sorry there's something inconsistent we can all agree that we want this fighting to stop I've been very critical of of Israel many occasions but we can also agree that Hamas cannot be part of the equation moving forward but it's also on top of that as well and this is basically our only Ally in that region we have now a shared enemy and David Lamy has just made that enemy very happy it's not our only no not our only Ally in the region we're allies with many countries in the region Jordan look a lot of those countries I don't think we should be alied with I actually think that we should have had an arms embargo against Saudi Arabia look Lamie said and I don't understand this Vendetta against David Lamy we've had in the last few years Dominic Rob and Liz truss among our foreign secretaries I'm very happy with David Lamy in that company um but Dr just to push back on that slightly stopped a civil servant signing off jalta to the Spanish without shop being fired so actually I'm quite happy we did have Dominic Rob domic Rob we don't need to argue about Dominic Rob I think most people complely that's I think we cane I think we can certainly agree on that point C agree on that point Dominic Rob and Liz trust were much stronger than say absolutely absolutely not it's about it's not a football match Sten it's about I'll put this to you right I've got a little clip here which might which might you know beg to differ as they exactly how competent David Lamy is as an individual I think we can just oh you're not going play this are you going yeah who exceeded to the English Throne at the age of nine on the death of his father Henry VII in 1547 Henry VI 7th Edward the 6 why what he fit to be our foreign secretary because he didn't get a question about Mastermind come on I knew I knew you going to play that video I I do I do think there's something to be said about the fact that we're always talking about we don't want Britain to be part of Foreign Wars and the reason why there are so many refugees coming is because we've destabilized their countries in other regions the ways to get out of foreign conflicts is to have strong allies around the world who can actually intercede when there are issues Israel being an ally is not just is not just because you know we want sort of supporters in that region it's also to keep us out of of regions that are going to iniz Friendship is not about giving unconditional support to people it's about sping up to people where necessary it's not about granting car launch for crimes Against Humanity which the the senior prosecutor at the IC said isely guil in the back of the head and Hamas has also been found it's also recommended Hamas to give War then the Israel go and get the bodies back and on the day that happens David Lamy decides with when is there going to be when is there going to be good what we should do is withdraw some armed CS to Israel when is there going to be a good time who and what is going to be happy about this particular decision is David Lamy happy about him getting criticized from one side of his party who is saying he's not gone far enough to those allies of ours in the United States and Israel who are saying it's the wrong thing to do and then the metrics as you say is that Hamas are going to look as though that they've managed to succeed in persuading other countries to damage the relationships with I'm sorry but I kind of feel like I'm in a parallel universe it's not about Hamas it's about does Britain believe in international law yes or no does Britain think that war crimes are good or bad I hope the answer to that would be that Britain would think war crimes are bad and if Israel is if our own foreign um office and the officials in the foreign office and the are committing War that's right and we're not arming them either Patrick if if the people in the foreign office are are sort of confident or suspicious that some British arms exports are being used in the service of war crimes it is actually legally incumbent upon the UK government to suspend those arms now this is a fraction of the total number of arms that isway fraction and how are they deciding which particular arms are causing the soall infractions of parts of equipment I think it should be I think it should be a blanket this is not a leftwing position not the that well-known communist Pro Palestine activist Margaret Thatcher instituted an arms export an arms embargo on Israel in the late 1980s which lasted for 5 years that other well-known communist and pro Palestine activist Blair um did something similar in the early 2000 yeah I woulding him into this before he gave the IRA letters have come okay well I'm not I'm not I'm not defending Tony Blair or Margaret Archer I'm saying that they did something right aieve anything at all I think that's my that's my isue I think I think it's not going to achieve anything and the thing is I I think you like you seem to be under the the impression that we don't want to went into this conflict or any of that I have been very critical but also you have to be fair if you're assuming that there human rights violations happening you need to actually confirm that because we know that that the UK has been exporting arms to countries with verified human rights abuse records and we haven't we haven't no hold on but but the thing but that's the point we are if you're going to make that case you have to make you have to verif that's the thing I've I've often said I've often made the case and I've been very critical particularly of Benjamin n who I think is probably the most Shameless man walking on the planet but that is not how you conduct Foreign Affairs Israel and the UK will exist far longer than after we kick out Kissam and his government out of power and you're going to have to ask the question what is this going to do to our long-term relationship with one of our allies in the region because we either have allies or we we go into regions that are destabilized one the big difficulties Israel is now going to look at the government in the UK and all the issues that we've seen about anti-Semitism in the streets the way that we' sack business and they're going to look at the country and saying we're now becoming anti-israeli and anti an and that my I'm asking yourself to put yourself in their shoes and what are they going to be saying to their people what would their people do and I'm not saying that all Israelis are generic that all the same we know that there's disputes going on in the streets of Israel as well they literally want Netanyahu out the Israeli government is not the same as Israel and Israel is not the same as Judaism Judaism is not the same as what I find so what I find so awful about this debate is how and I thought it was completely outrageous by the way and I speaking as British G by the way the the chief Rabbi today and the British of dep of Jews are coming out with statements that's almost seen to be mouthpieces the Israeli government saying it's a completely horendous they are there to speak on behalf of British Jews and by the way they don't speak on behalf of a lot of British Jews but that's a separate issue they are not there to intervene in matters of foreign policy and I think it's so dangerous to conflct Israel and Judaism they are not the same thing we would not accept an anti-israel protest outside of synagogue that would be completely anti-semitic it therefore follows that we need to separate this out and that Jewish people the Jewish leaders should not make stat sorry hang on a minute we we have had anti-israel protests and that's completely outrageous have them outside synagogues you have anti-israel outside of Cinema showing Jewish films right and that's completely wrong that's completely we are seeing way tidal wave of anti-Semitism who does this please this decision that David L the anti-is no it doesn't please the anti-sites it will please people who don't think that Britain should be supporting and facilitating War and and say that's not an allegation throw unless you verify it completely get I get your perspective blindness that those who are supporting this policy are going to see towards those who are supporting Hamas and I think that's the difficulty you're not being able to understand that they will see this as a victory even though you might see it as a nice step forward to what you want to achieve all right guys well we've overrun there but I think we could reason