James Franklin talks Penn State vs. West Virginia, key position battles, & more (press conference)

all right appreciate everyone for joining us for Coach Franklin's weekly press conference uh we'll start with an opening statement from coach and then we'll start with questions from the zoom well uh always I want to thank you guys for coming out and covering Penn State football we appreciate you guys being here um feel like you blink and we're back it's it's it's gone quickly um I think you know when you talk about winter workout Spring ball summer training uh training camp um I think we have maximized it as much as we possibly can the new rule changes I think we've done a really good job preparing uh for some of the technology changes as well some of the rule changes that have allowed us to to uh make adjustments and make adjustments quickly I think the new rule changes in terms of what you're able to do with the players and what you're able to do with the staff over the last couple of years I think has really helped if you're in a position to hire a new coordinator a new position coach you're able to get a lot of work done uh in that period of time so all those things have been valuable uh but training camp is was good it was competitive it was physical um it was tough like like it was designed to be and um you know now we're in a position I think over the last week and a half we've cut back to make sure that the guys feel good that their bodies feel good and that their legs are back um and now getting into a traditional game week we did as you guys know that have covered us for a while we do have like the bonus West Virginia practices at the end of training camp but you know now we're obviously in a traditional game week so looking forward to it excited about it uh and and look forward to answering you guys' questions we'll start with Rich garcel with the running eagle and Frank bodan you're on Deck good afternoon James how are you hi Rich how are you buddy I'm good thanks James with the news this morning I was wondering what your reaction was to Pat's contract extension and what does that what does his presence mean to you and the program going forward well I I think first of all um I think stability in college athletics and college football has a chance to be a differentiator like like probably never before for I think it's always been a differentiator if you look at certain programs across the country but um now um I think it's magnified even more with the amount of turnover that you see so I think that's really important uh he knows Penn State um he understands um you know College athletics obviously and the changes that that we're under right now um and that stability at the lead position in our athletic department is is critical so um I think it's was strategically the right thing to do and um you know we had a a department uh meeting this morning and he announced it there um and I know a lot of coaches and and people are very very happy about it I I think the biggest thing is we got a man leading the department that is a competitor and I'm talking about a fierce comp competitor in everything he does and and that's important you know you guys have heard me say before about the importance of having uh people in I don't I hate using this expression but um you know having somebody in the Foxhole with you and whether that is women's soccer or whether that is fencing or whether that is college football um and wrestling um you know that's that's important to have somebody that can relate that understands the challenges that wants to come up with Solutions one of the things that I think has been that stood out to me uh is Pat and Vinnie's ability to find solutions for problems that we've had or challenges that we've had for for a number of years um and then I think the other thing is even bringing some ideas to to the coaches in the department without the coaches having to come up with with those ideas so um I think it's really good for the University I think it's really good for the athletic department um and I think it's the right thing to do strategically for Penn State moving forward so I'm I'm very very happy about it Frank bodan and then Mike Ross you're on Deck hey good afternoon James how are you hey Frank I like the new names that we got going on up here that's you didn't tell me about that Greg and Chris very helpful very helpful well I know who you are Frank obviously but still still nice to have it up there thank you um so looking at your offense from the end of spring to now what position group do you think you've seen the most Improvement the most development how does that look for you especially going into your opener here yeah um you know i' I'd probably say um wide receiver and um but but I would also say like you know was a little bit at other positions that you could make the same argument but I'd say wide receiver I would say quarterback um I would say offensive line specifically obviously with the offensive linemen that we lost to the NFL last year um I'd say those three positions I think everybody had you know pretty good idea who we were at tight end and who we were at running back so I would say I would say those three positions and and really the three positions we needed to right so um there's been a lot of energy um poured into those positions um a lot of strategy about how do we position those those those uh those areas to be the most successful um and so far I think you know what we've seen in training camp not just for myself but really uh coaches on both sides of the ball we all feel that way it's good to Mike Gross and then Mark wogan Rich you're on Deck good afternoon James how are you hey Mike good how are you good thanks um about the uh on the in the inh helmet communication thing I've heard you talk about what you think of that rule change a couple times but maybe I missed it I have not heard you say a whole lot about how how implementing it is going uh what defensive player for example is going to have the helmet what special teams player is going to have the helmet how you're finding are there problems with it do you feel like it's working well just run down how it's how it's going yes so I think you know we're probably like most people you're going to have the quarterback and the Mike linebacker you know wearing those positions I think that's how most NFL you know teams are run um that's how um I think most colleges are going to use it um we started early which I think has been helpful um you know DV Sports been really good kind of working with us we've had them at our last couple scrimmages actually running it for us uh very Sim ilar to how it will be on game day so I think that's been valuable doing it with crowd noise has been valuable um deciding how much are you going to continue to Signal um because that that's still an issue right are you going to huddle um on offense if you're going to huddle then the quarterback can communicate with everybody if you're not going to huddle how do you still get that communication between 53 yards you know from one receiver to the other essentially uh and the same thing with the corner so having a lot of conversations with NFL teams some trial and error ourselves uh incorporating noise um you know for our offense when we're on the road and then our defense for when we're at home uh all those things but I think I think it's been good um I think it's one of these things the more times we do it the better we're at it we've been doing it at practice even without the DV sport people here um and that's been good it's not the same as obviously when DV Sports here and they're cutting the the mics off after you know 15 seconds left on the clock those types of things so there's there's things that you got to get worked through it's it's it's one-way communication as you guys know so sometimes you've made the call and how how does the Mike linebacker let the coach know that he's gotten the call um you think he's gotten the call and he hasn't gotten the call those things um cuz as we all know the these things aren't going to go perfect so then also do you have backup plans in terms of signaling or in terms of wristband um you know all those types of things are you okay okay yes since since Co it kind of makes everybody uneasy yeah so um Mike does that answer your question awesome thank you let's go to Mark wogan rich and then Johnny mcgonagal you're on deck at least it makes Mees makes me uneasy do it make you guys easy yeah Mark how are you good buddy how are you besides uneasy good thanks yeah we got we got somebody like coughing over and over and over in here that brings up a funny story Mark I got a second so me me and U Manny and Frank Leonard I think you guys knows we went and visited the Patriots and we we were there for two days and we're in meetings with their coaches watching film and Frank Leonard got got sick and he is coughing and coughing and coughing and coughing and their coaches are looking at them like hey buddy you know you want to get out of here and then uh I'm uncomfortable and I'm trying to kind of make eye contact with Frank like get out of here like I mean this is Bill bich I mean the whole staff right uh and and and finally Frank's like hey if you guys don't mind I'm going to I'm going to go back to the hotel and every's like do we mind we like want you to go back to the hotel so you just reminded me of uh of Frank Leonard and the the Patriot story sorry Mark good well I hope they invite you back after that yeah we've never got an invitation since you mentioned a couple times including today how tough Camp was how did the team emerge physically from training camp and then where do you stand in terms of injuries that you would classify as season ending yeah we got some some bumps and and bruises um like you always do I would say you know really kind of no different um you know it's funny you have the meeting every year with the Leadership Council and they get to a point where they've had enough and I think they forget we've had this meeting every year they're like coach I think we're at a point and I'm like yeah I hear we hear this every year so um it's good feedback to hear for myself and and Chuck Losi and for Andrew Nelson as well is running our Sports Science Department uh that feedback is really important for me to hear from the players um but we're we're back in a good place like we have been um you're always going to have a few things that are lingering that we're still waiting to determine uh but overall good and then you know when it comes to injuries the the guys that you guys have asked me specifically about that you haven't seen it practice I I'll answer those questions but in terms of um you know big pitcher uh i' I've told players and their parents like always I don't make announcements unless I'm asked a specific question and then I I talk to them and their families first to make sure that they're comfortable with it but I don't think in 11 years I've just come out and and and uh made a blanket statement on on who's out and the other thing is it's hard to say anybody has a season ending injury I I usually term them as long-term because even the guys that do have injuries that's going to keep them out for a while we think a lot of those guys we should have back um you know for the playoffs or late in the season too last question from Zoom is Johnny mcgonagal and then we'll go to Mark Bren James how are you good Johnny how are you good good uh you mentioned the offensive line earlier in terms of uh you know groups that improved and specifically to right tackle uh how would you describe how the competition during Camp went there and you come out of Camp going into week one uh with a guy who you feel comfortable starting or naming a starter yeah um we feel like you know the right tackle battle is been healthy and and positive in terms of the amount of work that those two have gotten in and as you know that's Dona and that is Ruchi um you know we feel like both of those guys that that we can play with and win with and think both of those guys will play um I know a lot of times you guys are asking for specific answers at this point but we haven't even told the players at this point um you know what the rotation is is going to be like that's usually a conversation for Johnny like yourself and a lot of people that have covered us for a while you know we usually have that conversation as a staff on Thursday and then have another conversation at the hotel um and obviously the players at that point would be aware of it as well but at this at this point um you know we're still you know practicing and and making evaluations uh to determine to determine uh rotation typically starters we in a pretty good place where we're at um but in terms of the rotation of how much guys are going to play that's that's really to be determined based on how they practice this week but I would expect to see uh a lot of both Anthony and and Ruchi over on the right Mark how's it going James good Mark how are you I'm doing great you talked about the importance of stability when when discussing uh Pat this is your 11th year it's kind of the exception anymore for head coaches where do you think the program has made the most progress during your tenure yeah you know I'm I'm proud of you know really a ton of areas um a ton of areas you know in terms of our staff our coaching staff we're able to hire and retain uh our staff uh like we weren't able to before um you know you don't really see us losing guys for lateral moves anymore um um and that used to happen in the past that that's problematic you know for the type of program that we want to have um as you guys know you know this was stated early on facility wise I didn't think you know we were in a we're in a great place there was some resistance to that early on um but we've been able to get all that done and thank God because if you didn't get it done before now you're not going to do it moving forward um the other thing I would say that's kind of more recent um is our training table that we have this year our football specific training table that we have I think we're probably the only top 10 program maybe in the country um that did not have a football training table um this is our first year for for having it um you know one that's in the facility and and part of the football building uh I think that's been a huge win for us um so you know there's a ton of areas um academically athletically um I could I could go on and on the list the list I think is is significant um but as everybody knows all that matters now at this point of of the season and and of the year is is how we play so our Focus now is is directly on West Virginia and making sure that we're in the best position to go win uh at a place that I got a ton of respect for uh I think Neil Brown's done a great great job um I think it's a very very challenging place to play I think you know for opener that's that's going to create some some challenges and issues for us uh and a team that I think is feeling really really good about themselves and has a ton of confidence you know they they won nine games they really should have won 10 games that Houston game uh was was you know was a very very tough loss um you know in my mind they played well enough to win 10 games they end the season I think winning five out of their last six games including the bowl game so they a lot of positive momentum the quarterback played really well so our focus is is totally on that right now but um you know things that will impact this season uh I think the the training table is a significant win um keeping our guys big and strong throughout a challenging season through a long season and a longer season um uh and more competitive season with our schedule than maybe Penn State's ever had um that is as big of a win that I've been fighting for for 10 years and and we're finally able to get done with Pat and Vinnie Audrey hi James hey Audrey um you guys have mentioned Liam Clifford A lot of times this preseason as somebody who's kind of turned that corner um what has he kind of done and then along kind of that same position group Kaden Saunders what kind of Camp did he have yeah so so um Liam and I know I I know you guys hate when I I answer things this way but it it's really not one specific area it's just kind of overall I think he's more confident I think he's more comfortable um um he's much more consistent which is what it's all about for all these guys at this level I look at his college career in a lot of ways like his like his high school career he just kept getting better every single year and really had a dominant senior year uh had a really good junior year um and I think his college career is going about the same way um you know he's faster than I think people give him credit for uh he's got a big catch radius um and I think he's got a chance to to be a playmaker for us this year he's shown some flashes of that in the past uh he comes from a foot football family as you guys know very very well it's funny as parents were at the parent meeting the other day and you know one of the things we try to do is get all the parents to come to the parent meeting and some of the parents were like oh I came last year so I'm not coming this year and they the the the Cliffords have been to eight straight parent meetings which is crazy I almost had them get up and run the meeting but he's just he just is really matured um I think maturity in college football has a chance to win you games probably in a similar way that it's impacted college basketball when you could have a older veteran team or an older veteran position uh and I think a lot of those things you know show up with Liam but it it would not surprise me at all and we are anticipating on him having having a really good year for us Kaden I'm sorry I'm sorry yeah Kaden's got some bumps and bruises that he's missed some time so we're working through that right now and uh you know obviously we're hopeful that he'll be able to go this week and be full go and and you know be able to factor back in for us John hey James hey John how staying with the wide receivers how many wide receivers do you think you have that are ready to play on Saturday and how close is that to where you want it to be wanted it to be coming into this season yeah I think you know at every position I think you guys have heard me mention before four you really would like a two and a half deep you know at at every position so if you're talking D tackles you would like five um and then I think at at wide receiver when you talk about being an 11 personnel set you know having you know you're talking about two deep um at two of the positions and then a swing guy in some ways and I think we're close to that I think if you look at kind of across the board um you know guy like Makai flowers I think has really stepped up for us I think Tyler Johnson has really stepped up for us I think Anthony Ivy has really stepped up for us and that is a critical group for us right um you know and I'd like it to be for game one but the reality is even if it could be for some of those guys in game three and game four and game five and that's a big discussion we had this morning as a staff me meeting we got to identify guys that we say okay they're made they may be not like ready whatever for whatever reason physically mentally or emotionally today but these guys we need them to be ready by game five of the season so okay it's obvious you know that to pinpoint and be able to single out the guys that are ready right now who are the guys that we need to make sure that we continue to pour into them and continue to develop them that they will be ready you know come game five of the season or some around there so those are guys that I think really are going to need to step up for us but have shown enough you know that you're excited about what they're going to be I and I would say tyer Denmark as a new player is is in that is in that conversation as well back left Andrew hey Andrew hey coach Matt McAfee obviously a former WVU player he is a very large platform and he spent a lot of time last week talking about this game and and talking about Penn State I'm I was curious if you use um any of his remarks or anything like that in a locker room setting or with players or how you deal with kind of outside noises from platforms like that who command such an audience well first of all I love Pat mcavey and his energy and enthusiasm for sports and specifically college football I think he's been I think he's been good for for College athletics and Sports in general I think he's fun right you know um you know I think his ability to speak freely uh is is unique uh and and fun in a lot of ways um for us it's a fine line right you know I think it's very similar to the old billboard material I want to make sure that our guys don't say anything and our staff doesn't say anything that creates billboard material because for some people that motivates them right um and I want to make sure that I'm not talking out of both sides of my mouth with our with our staff and our players because I also strongly recommend our players getting off of social media especially in season which is easier said than done it's amazing how many of them say it oh well I'm good with it and then a year later like yeah I'm probably going to get off social media this year you know um I I'd like for more of them to take the advice on the front end before it no different than kind of me handing my my phone over to to Destiny you know during the season and let her manage those types of things uh I think is the healthy way to go but it's funny KJ Winston came up to me yesterday at practice and said coach you got a couple things up on the monitors you're telling us to get off social media but you got a couple things up on the monitors for us to see and I said but here's the difference when you guys are on social media you're reading whatever comes in there's no filter and what we can do is I can have Destiny or Greg conat or Chris Peterson pull things out to show to me and strategically say we want to use these things so there's a filter there and when I said that KJ goes that makes sense that makes sense so uh we do a little bit of it but not a lot of it um um for those very reasons I want to make sure that what we're saying is consistent but I kind of look at it like old bolle and board material um you know now we're a true bulletin board material team in terms of we like just cut out what's in the newspaper where there's some staffs and coaches like get on get on their computer and create stories that never existed to try to motivate their team we're not going to do that um there's enough out there that you can find it on your own Neil thanks for the newspaper plug that's cool yeah yes sir um just curious on when Julian committed that created a stir how he's done what you expect and have you picked a place kicker yeah he's done from one extreme to the other huh he's done uh he's done really well and I think as much as anything back to that veteran presence that I've talked about um he has brought that to our team is another veteran guy uh that knows college football that knows our conference uh and as as you guys know knows Penn State very well and we know him very well um so I think that's been a real positive I was telling him yesterday I was walking um across campus and some woman came running out to me she was checking her uh son into the dorm as a freshman uh and she's best friends with Julian Fleming's mom and and came up we had a nice conversation and took pictures so it's it's really cool for him to be back home and and playing for Penn State I think that's a real positive uh for a lot of for a lot of reasons um but I think you see the same thing in his play you know um he understands football he's got a tremendous football IQ he's a big strong physical tough guy who we think is going to make the tough catches for us um is has been throughout his career a very physical blocker also a very good special teams player and I just think he's one of these guys again as a veteran older player he's very intentional about what he has to do to be successful and how he practices and how he approached his offseason on the jugs machine and all those things so I think he's been really good for our receiver room I think he's been really good for our team and and we're happy he's here uh at Place kicker again you know um kind of very similar in my response about other positions we got a pretty good idea we think we got three guys that we can win with um but we we have not you know made any announcements in this week we'll we'll factor into that I don't want to say something to you guys that we haven't announced to the team or or told the kickers yet um I will say this all three of them come come within two percentage points on kicks I'm talking it's like I want to say it's like 85 84 and 83% in practice in in kicks um so it's not like it's a slam dunk you know even even my answer to you right now so um you know we'll we'll still evaluate that this week and then you know make some decisions Tyler James hey Ty you mentioned after practice last uh Tuesday I think we we gave you guys a depth chart too right no take that one so there there's one coming I know that you guys thought that was funny that was an honest response I didn't know if we gave you something is there really one coming from you guys well there'll be one coming on Game Day right is that is that when we normal whatever we normally when you guys make yours on game day yeah yeah whatever we normally do it okay um so I just was wondering last Tuesday I think you said it was a little early to talk about it with us you had to have conversations sorry I didn't mean to throw you guys at curveball I honestly wasn't messing with you like um but about green lights um now that you maybe had those conversations we're going to get a look at who's on the scout team tomorrow are you able to share some of those details with us yeah um so there's some I guess what I would say is that that's kind of like a um a moving Target so I'm going to give you the green lights that we have for today but there's going to be guys after game one that become green lights based on how they play or based on some bumps and bruises or whatever it may be we're going to try to manage it and be as strategic as long as we can so that we still have the flexibility as long as we can um but this will change throughout the year does that make sense so the two that are just decided right now is one on offense is Cooper cousins will get green lighted and on defense Dewan Lane will get green lighted and some of that same thing I would tell the players some of that is based on how they have conducted themselves that we feel like they're ready and some of that also is the position like there's other guys that I think if we needed to we could green light and go but maybe there's more depth at their position or is another guy that you know um is in the position because there's less less depth at their position proven depth is I guess what I'm saying um but right now it's it's those two guys and it could be more could be more yes sir let's go to Shane in the back hey coach hey Shane uh we've talked about your players we talked about your coaching staff going into your 11th year at Penn State how have you yourself prepared for this season and what are some things that you do to get ready for Seasons yeah so so for me um I'm a very curious person just by Nature I think that's I think that's an important quality um for a leader um because I think curiosity leads to being a lifelong learner and realizing you don't have all the answers and you're constantly trying to grow and get better whether that is um reading leadership books whether that is going to um leadership um you know me and Pat typically there been some other people that have gone with us us every year we go to a Leadership Summit that we go to every single year with I've been going I think for nine years Pat's gone now I think for two or three years um I think I've talked to you guys about it before with with the um with the Special Forces um you know leadership from from all over the world really um that's been that's been I think profound for us um I would say you know go going and visiting different coaching staffs like the conversation about going and visiting the New England Patriots that's valuable having conversations with people from a competitive standpoint that you can talk to uh Jared Parker is someone you know that you know I know very well coached you know for us here at Penn State and now as the head coach of Troy we we visited this summer and visited this past week having Ricky Ronnie someone that you can talk to it used to be Brent pry there's less of that right now because he's at Virginia Tech and you know in some ways we're competing against each other uh Manny Diaz having someone like that to talk to um um but obviously again we're competing with one another so there's a little bit less of that uh and then there's coaches that that we've had on the staff that have that have left that that I still talk to um Ken wizen Hunt you know um people that have been around us I always try to take this time of year and I think gratitude is a really important quality so I try to reach out uh whether it's Debbie Al um you know or whether it is um you know Ralph regen you know coaches that I've worked for and and show gratitude I have not done it yet this year um I do it every year um but I think that's important as well as is to show gratitude and then and then we've brought some phenomenal speakers into the building to present to our team the athletic department just had a phenomenal speaker this morning um so I guess what I would say is you know asking questions learning from Tom Allen learning from um uh Andy codal Nikki uh learning from Justin lustig learning from the people in the building learning from Pat learning from neie learning from Matt Skyler um I just I try to be a sponge as much as I possibly can uh and that is specific to football but that is also you know leadership um so I I hope that answer your questions but just just being curious and and wanting to grow and wanting to get better and and and having people that you can talk to both inside the program and outside the program I think is valuable we got time for two more in the back T Frank hey James T Frank all the way the back what's up buddy um I'm curious about week one it always brings curve balls because it's the first time you're seeing the new iteration of your opponent on film um but West Virginia brings back especially on offense a lot of returning faces either starters or guys that played significant time last year so between the two options if it were returning starters that you know versus either transfer portal or young guys for a team which one is more of a challenge or which one is more beneficial for you in your prep for that particular game yeah I think that's a a really good question I think it's a hard question I think again I'm going to answer this in a way you guys don't like me answering but I I think you can make arguments both ways you know a team that's returning a ton of starters um and a team that's returning a ton of starters that had success you know that's that creates challenges I mean I think if you look at some of the people that rank teams that's a big factor in ranking teams right like how many returning players that you got um and then the UN you know the unknowing of the transfer portal and guys coming in especially if they've come in from they've come from smaller schools and you don't have as much information on them that's that can create some real challenges as well so I think both is is challenging they've done both to be honest with you um so I I think opening with this type of game is that's another argument right I think it's really good because it motiv Vates and prepares everybody but that you you better have your eyes dotted and your te's crossed and uh and understand and be prepared for what that environment is going to be like from what I understand like like you can't get a ticket like you can't you can't find a ticket to this game um you know very similar to you know I think conversations of what our fans have had what their fans have had is why playing playing West Virginia and playing pit makes sense for for a lot of different reasons um so it it's I think it's a positive um but I also know there's also reasons why people schedule lower level out of conference games because there's there's going to be some things that show up in this game that probably won't show up in game or two or three so um you know that's where you know I'm losing my hair and losing sleep um trying to do everything we possibly can to eliminate those things that you know can typically show up on a game one and doing everything we possibly can to try to eliminate or deter those things from happening back left corner Ally don't lose too much Alie yeah I don't I don't got much left eyebrows that would look strange um just diving into that a little bit more your conversation about West Virginia has always been it's a hostile environment tough to go on the road to open a season can you dive into why that presents a little bit of a challenge for your team just coming off of Camp not getting a chance to play here at home having to travel just what are some of the logistics that make that as difficult not just the fact that West Virginia is hostile well yeah I think the first thing is I think everybody knows right it's it's pretty much proven that a home field advantage is a real thing right it's it's a real thing it factors into a lot of things that you guys talk about that I can't ever talk about but um home field advantage is a real thing I think that's that's number one um I think number two when you talk about the specifics of a home field advantage uh it's the noise in the stadium but you can replicate that a little bit um it's it's players that are playing for Penn State for the first time how are they how are they going to handle that it's one thing to do it at home in front of 100,000 which is challenging it's another thing to do it on the road with 70,000 people that that kind of hate you you know um you're 250 versus there's 70,000 um it's traveling for the first time and we haven't traveled with some of these guys before the Hotel um the bus um you know the meals um the sleep sleeping in a different bed you know all those types of things um they factor in um so just making sure that you're doing everything you possibly can and some of those things you can prepare them for other things you can't it's it's making sure the Freshman doesn't leave one of our tester tip sheets on the floor in the meeting room cuz everybody that works in that hotel is probably connected or related to somebody at West Virginia football like like I know that stuff sounds funny and silly that happens so um you know make ensure that we're doing everything we possibly can to prepare our players uh and I think it's magnified in a place that does not have um an NFL team like everything in that state revolves around West Virginia and and Mountaineer football I think their seventh winning this program I think I may have read in their media guy the seventh winningest program in college football depending on what metric how you look at that whether it's total wins or percentage or whatever it may be um they're a prideful place I was I was looking kind of through their staff like I think you know grow all the way back to Don nean right and what he was able to do that then I noticed there's like six relatives of Don nean working on their staff somewhere you know in the building you know so there's just there's a ton of cool things about about West Virginia football this game you know and the historical aspects of this game um and then you also look at like you know when was the last time West Virginia beat Penn State when was the last time Penn State beat West Virginia and we got somebody on our staff that was there in their Stadium last time West Virginia won you know at their place so um there's value in that and we got to tap into that and what that meant and what that experience was like and how it happened and and so on and so forth so um I hope that answers your question but there's just there's there's some moving parts that you can replicate there's there's there's other moving parts that you that you can thank you very much coach thanks guys