Simon Jordan CLAIMS England Would STILL Have Beaten Finland With Martin KEOWN As Manager 🤯🦁

yeah because there was a lot of opposition we played against we weren't very good and we were really average but also we' now reached a point where it was we'd gone back to full circle where when Southgate came in in 2016 after Sam had fallen on his sword there was this lack of expectation the British press had suddenly decided you know what after after the Euros in 2016 we expect nothing from you and it's gone full circle again because it's gone back to the Euros this year where everybody expected this formidable forward line and this offensive power that we have with this Powerhouse in Center Midfield and Jude Bellingham in this you know potent attacking opposition uh lineup that we had to actually deliver something so then we're back into expectation territory and when we back into expectation territory then came people going well that's not good enough that's not what we expected whereas previously we've been grateful for what we got oh we're progressing we're progressing we're better than we were that awful moment in 2016 when we were crap is now consigned to the dpin of history no G the the the the simple things you can take from the last games is that he's not over complicating it and he's playing players in positions that they play and giving us balance we've got a better balance no matter who you play against you can still see whether the team's balanced you know in the game against Ireland he played colewell who was a left back at left back he had Gordon playing left wing we we made the pitch bigger it looked better it's very simple things you know midfielders having the freedom to go forward when they want to go forward Mayu and rice were mixing it up one would go one would stay same last night rice is it that simple Danny make it sound as if anybody could do it I mean Carley's coming I I know what you're saying about do the basics properly and as you you said earlier he was shouting for you know more movement Pacer paer but I mean was this about not losing this job at this stage for him no disasters against Ireland or Finland no slip UPS win both and win them pretty comfortably and then we'll see what it takes as all yeah I think so I mean the fa there's only two scenarios really going on isn't it the fa are either Biden a time because they want they're trying to get somebody who they can't quite get yet the more realistic one is that from a public perception if they give him the job as an inm against the these four six games whever it is against poor opposition and they play quite well and score some goals and look like they're playing with freedom and a nice balance then it's it kind of justifies their decision and everybody goes yeah they were right they're the only two scenarios I see um but I I I think it's encouraging because look you can you can play a nice well balanced team with freedom and let them Express themselves and still lose to good opposition there's no guarantee of success just because he's doing some good things and Simon's ultimately right under pressure against good opposition how will we how will we Fair well a lot of that will depend on timing when when do we play these people who's fit who's available who's playing well all those things because at the moment for example I know we'll talk about Harry Kane but Harry Kane's he looks back to his he looks physically fit he's out of rest he looks sharp he doesn't look like he's carrying any injury scored a couple of good goals he looks healthy now if we get to the tournament tournament the World Cup in America and he's not fit for some reason well all of a sudden we become a a less potent Force don't we because there's nobody really at the moment fighting his position I wonder what this ever was Simon this Lee carsley situation at the moment this interim situation this audition situation I mean we we are not going to know what the fa are going to decide for another year I would have thought um possibly I mean ultimately they didn't they didn't NE necessarily expect that they were going to have to fill this Gap um their position their preferred position was to stay with what they had yeah right or wrong yeah and sometimes no decision is worse than a decision and I think that would have been a non-decision because I think Southgate had had four tilts at the opportunity it doesn't go on forever you know we weren't getting better it would appear we were getting further away by the irrespective of getting to a final that with due respect we had every we we had every business being in that final with the draws that we had if we hadn't have got to that final given the draws that we had I don't know what we could say about ourselves besides the fact that people will Trot it out it's another final yes it's another final absolutely and history will tell us that and when we look back at it over the annuals of time people will forget how turgid and uninspiring this apparent generation of players that the world reveres are when they play international football and forget all that and look at the look at the history books so I think that the Carley situation is that the international manager job is a strange one you odds this one out pettino goes to America I mean this is not a a powerful football nation it's one that's developing and wanting to be a major league in football and there's lots of investment in there messes over there but this ain't no Powerhouse of of international football and yet one of the arguably biggest names in football management is now an international manager for a bate International side I what does that tell you and then on the other side of the coin you've got one of the powerhouses of International Football appointing a manager that's got no credentials yeah yeah there's rob a regular contributor to this show good morning Rob Simon all major Nations have expectations you don't think Brazil Italy Germany don't go into tournaments without expectation I'm afraid with England there is still this arrogance amongst fans which culminates in the its coming home narrative it's irrelevant though the the the ultimately the expectation of the fans high or low doesn't really affect what's going on but I don't think it's I don't think it's unreasonable for a nation a footballing nation like this country that arguably houses the most powerful domestic football league in World football to to expect to win some poxy tournament over 60 years I mean come on I mean I don't care what the Brazilians and Germans think they've won something so we're not being arrogant and this this this ridiculous song that's lifted and I know rude H the worst thing you guys can ever do is never sing that song There You Go Cas celebration of something rather it's not a representation of arrogance or entitlement half of English fans are very philos opical they have to be aernal Optimist because they get dragged around the world watching tuid TSH off the time and they continue to do it so you have to admire their fortitude little England in whether they sang the song or not but I don't think it's an arrogant thing I just think it's a theme tune that's been aligned upon and people want to turn it into something more than it actually means um we're talking about England we're talking about Lee carsley has he passed the Edition was it ever an Edition a two- match Edition Ireland and Finland he won both does that mean now he's in the box seat to get the job uh 0371 7234 Jordan is a big Chelsea and no doubt England fan good morning Jordan what's your taking it good morning s good morning Danny good morning Jim morning yeah um um I don't really think we learned anything new um I think you know you know and Roy Keane famously said you can't pray somebody for doing their job Harry Kane scor two goals against filling that's great and all but you know it doesn't really matter like to be Brut honest with you I think Lee K's just you know he's going to win these games against Finland aaban San Marina all these great teams it's all well and good but we need a man that's going to take us to the next level and I just don't think Lee Carley is gonna do that I mean have we learned anything new not really no not really so do you have namey Jordan I've Just Seen Michael kck's name what I would argue if Pep Guardiola had been given the job and we know he's the best in the world and we just won 2-0 and 2-0 we would all be saying you can see the change you can see it it's just a perception I agree that we we don't know yet how good he's going to be cuz we haven't had opposition and he hasn't had all the players that who's he going to choose when they're all there yeah but you'd believe in pep if you're an England fan would you believe in gley at this stage well you can only go on what you see as a trained eye and I saw some very obvious changes simplistic obvious changes that worked the speed of play was better the balance was better players were playing with more freedom I saw people changing positions I saw people playing with a bit more freedom yeah now that's all I can say you know that's all you can assess but you you can go on a negative train or a positive train with it doesn't really matter till the pressure's on okay the reality is if pep was in charge we'd all be raving about those two before because players are playing more free Raven about two- new win over Finland because because pep would create that aeria because play well yeah but he would create some of it because a you know what's likely to come right true and B because he would be in the media in a way I mean that KY looks like he works in a library um and you expected to bring your books back you know and and you're late um I mean you don't read so you probably wouldn't go to the library but the point the point is is that is that there would be a perception of inspiration and and aspiration yeah there would you're getting them in early this morning Tom's a leads fan no doubt England as well Tom good morning does carsley get the gig on a permanent basis in your view hi guys oh Simon that was brilliant I have to admit when he stood on the side he does look like he's having a nap on he's got no outside him whatsoever but he's just nor but look the thing is he's coming at a really really good time he's got six games against basic opposition that he's going to win them all he's going to get to Christmas and sit there with his turkey and go ah six games one them all I could be England manager you know he he's not going to be tested properly I mean yeah he's he's doing as good as anyone expect him to do I think without a manager we'd probably win those games I mean last night it was good to see it was good football but we had 22 shots and we scored two goals against Finland you know with the Striking force that we've got you know we've 10% of the shots we we to get a goal out of you know 90% of the times that we shot we didn't score so in my opinion I think as an England team that we've got we should be scoring more than with 22 shots it yeah you could look at that a different way and say in the Euros in a couple of games against lesser opposition we had one shot on Target in the whole 90 minutes you know you can you can make stats you can you can create stats to to to confirm or your narrative whatever you want the re the the the fact of the fact is now that England are in a transition per they've had a manager for years and now they don't have can we see Improvement in the two games against poor opposition yeah a little bit but we none of us know how it's going to be against better opposition I understand the argument oh he's not charismatic he's not warm he doesn't he's not y Klo in front of the press but if the football's good and there's progression on the pitch the media bits irrelevant you can be brilliant in front of the press normally it's to it's to hide your deficien he's on the pitch I don't care how good he is in front of the camera as long as they're good on are you saying this morning Danny you can really really truly judge Lee carsley until the World Cup in 2026 well no there'll be some tougher tests ahead I would imagine and I mean Greece are much better than those two teams we've just played England should beat Greece they should but it'll be a bit different and also the other thing that we haven't seen yet is when he's got a full Squad you know I said about round pegs and round holes let's see how that works when Jude's back foden's back Palmer's back all those just before we take Liam's call it what what do you send at the moment I know you always go in Instinct Simon and you're never wrong would you would would you would you wish it to would you wish car carsley to be given the job fulltime not particularly um I I don't think it's particularly ambitious but then again I don't expect anything less from the people that are pointing him and if you're if you're not in a situation where you have that many options um because you aren't able to create them for whatever reason then you have to take the path of least resistance and this is the path of least resistance because he's there in the building so you're not even ambivalent you're right strongly against it no I'm not strongly against it but I was asked a direct question you know I wouldn't die on this hill and say I you know what absolutely categorically unequivocally not no but there's nothing about um Lee carsley I mean there is an element of me that one doesn't want to be disrespectful but we could put that tactical genius Martin Kon in charge of the England team yesterday and they would have still won so with that in mind I think there's an element of I know that's a bit of a reach wasn't it you just gley doesn't Sing the anthem that's right you've myed I'm not I understand that conversation more and more about the reality of how important it is or unimportant is the team winning on the field if he wins the World Cup I should said in you're seldom wrong and you are seldom wrong but in this one you say no and you would have gone after klopp anyway and and made him an yeah I mean you can chase you can tilt a windmills right we all know that everyone can make those sort of grand the OC Grand standing PT baram pronouncements you got to get what you can get but you know you've got pochettino going into the US uh and you've got I'm not suggesting because I'm not a fan of postinos I think he's all right I think he's a decent manager I don't think he'll win very much for anybody and he certainly won't win anything of meaning for the US besides maybe advancing their football in profile terms and helping domestic leagues become more aware alongside domestic would you be more comfortable if portino would get England than carsley possibly possibly but then I'd still be in the same territory of looking at it going well I don't think he's much of a winner either um and what does a winner look like I mean a winner to me is someone that has won things and and you could say Lee car's won the under 21 championships and it is a massive departure from the tripe that we have listen to M booy who told us that the only reason the under 21s was put in place was a factory for the the national side and that ultimately possible job yeah Liam I finish with you Arsenal an England fan what do you want to say Liam is carsley going to get this gig full time um basically me I've just R off great show guys like normal thank you um he um the ITV coverage before the game started and I've seen him out on the pitch and he was drilling the players that old school coaching you don't see managers doing it much no more I really like that and um the way the Wingers kept getting by Kane the speed because he hasn't got it anymore Kane's lost the speed that he used to have and I don't think he's ever really had it but in arriving late in the Box got us the goals the players pushing past him we didn't have that in the summer I just think like the two games that we that we played we didn't really learn much the opposition wasn't great but this the standard of the football that we was playing was decent so fit enough actually yeah it's hard to disagree with any of that Liam actually well there's one thing for sure if if Harry Kane is going to be our Striker for the next couple is right as long as he stays fit you need pace and you need width you need runners in behind him yeah you've got to have Runners who go past Kane and too many times in the Euros he was isolated and we didn't get people going past him we were too rigid and Carley has a jewel in the crown in Bellingham he's got a few and that's the great thing yeah cuz if Bellingham God forbid was to have an injury for a few months we you can throw foden or Palmer in as a turn or G it we've got so much talent but it's about balance and about freedom white and Simon Jordan Monday to Friday mornings from 10 on a.m. on da via the talk sport app and on your smart 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